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Saturday, August 24, 2019

Jordan Peterson is a sanctimonious crybaby

And you can absolutely quote me on that, in whatever voice you like. He's such a ridiculous whiner as well as being a profoundly non-philosophical fraud.
This week, however, a company called notjordanpeterson.com put an AI engine online that allows anyone to type anything and have it reproduced in my voice. It’s hard to get access to or use the site, at the moment, presumably because it is currently attracting more traffic than its servers can handle. [NOTE: As of August 23, this website posted the following announcement: In light of Dr. Peterson’s response to the technology demonstrated by this site, which you can read here, and out of respect for Dr. Peterson, the functionality of the site will be disabled for the time being.]

A variety of sites that pass themselves off as news portals—and sometimes are—have either reported this story straight (Sputnik News) or had a field day (Gizmodo) having me read, for example, the SCUM manifesto (hypothetically an acronym for Society for Cutting Up Men), a radical feminist rant by Valerie Solanos published in 1967. Solanos, by the way, later shot the artist Andy Warhol, an act, driven by her developing paranoia. He was seriously wounded, requiring a surgical corset to hold his organs in place for the rest of his life. TNW takes a middle path, reporting the facts of the situation with little bias but using the system to have me voice very vulgar phrases.

Some of you might know—and those of you who don’t should—that similar technology has also been developed for video. This was reported, for example, by BBC, as far back in July of 2017, who broadcast a speech delivered by an AI Obama, that was essentially indistinguishable from the real thing. Similar technology has been used, equally notoriously, to superimpose the faces of famous actresses on porn stars, while they perform their various sexual exploits (you can find this story covered, for example, on The Verge, Jan 24, 2018). Movies have also been reshot so that the main actor is transformed from someone unknown to someone with real box office draw. This has happened, for example, to Nicolas Cage, primarily on a YouTube site known as Derpfakes, a play on the phrase “Deep Fakes,” which is what the video recordings created fraudulently by AI have come to be known. More recently Ctrl Shift Face, a YouTube channel, posted a video showing Bill Hader transforming very subtly into Tom Cruise as he performs an impression of the latter on Dave Letterman’s show. It’s picked up four million views in a week. It’s important to note, by the way, that this ability is available to amateurs. I don’t mean people with no tech knowledge whatsoever, obviously—more that the electronic machinery that makes such things possible will soon be within the reach of everyone.

It’s hard to imagine a technology with more power to disrupt. I’m already in the position (as many of you soon will be as well) where anyone can produce a believable audio and perhaps video of me saying absolutely anything they want me to say. How can that possible be fought? More to the point: how are we going to trust anything electronically-mediated in the very near future (say, during the next Presidential election)? We’re already concerned, rightly or wrongly, with “fake news”—and that’s only news that has been slanted, arguably, by the bias of the reporter or editor or news organization. What do we do when “fake news” is just as real as “real news”? What do we do when anyone can imitate anyone else, for any reason that suits them?

And what of the legality of this process? It seems to me that active and aware lawmakers would take immediate steps to make the unauthorized production of AI Deep Fakes a felony offense, at least in the case where the fake is being used to defame, damage or deceive. And it seems to be that we should perhaps throw caution to the wind, and make this an exceptionally wide-ranging law. We need to seriously consider the idea that someone’s voice is an integral part of their identity, of their reality, of their person—and that stealing that voice is a genuinely criminal act, regardless (perhaps) of intent. What’s the alternative? Are we entering a future where the only credible source of information will be direct personal contact? What’s that going to do to mass media, of all types? Why should we not assume that the noise to signal ratio will creep so high that all political and economic information disseminated broadly will be rendered completely untrustworthy?

I can tell you from personal experience, for what that’s worth, that it is far from comforting to discover an entire website devoted to allowing whoever is inspired to do so produce audio clips imitating my voice delivering whatever content the user chooses—for serious, comic or malevolent purposes. I can’t imagine what the world will be like when we will truly be unable to distinguish the real from the unreal, or exercise any control whatsoever on what videos reveal about behaviors we never engaged in, or audio avatars broadcasting any opinion at all about anything at all. I see no defense, and a tremendously expanded opportunity for unscrupulous troublemakers to warp our personal and collective reality in any manner they see fit.

Wake up. The sanctity of your voice, and your image, is at serious risk. It’s hard to imagine a more serious challenge to the sense of shared, reliable reality that keeps us linked together in relative peace. The Deep Fake artists need to be stopped, using whatever legal means are necessary, as soon as possible.
This guy doesn't even believe in the Divine, so to what "sanctity of your voice and your image" is he referring? He doesn't even believe in group identity or taking pride in one's direct ancestors, he's the most famous advocate of individual uber alles since Ayn Rand, so what is this "sense of shared, reliable reality that keeps us linked together" to which he's suddenly appealing.

If you didn't grasp that Jordan Peterson is an intellectual fraud before, his call to outlaw synthetic speech and make it a felony offense should more than suffice.

Personally, I love synthetic speech. I've been wanting to design games around it since 1996.

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81 Comments:

Blogger Wolfman August 24, 2019 5:43 AM  

This could lead to a revival of 1930's style audio dramas. Surely Kermit the Fraud can see the importance of this development in the evolution of lobsterkind. How else are we to fend off the Dog-headed aliens and keep them away from pour hot cousins?

Blogger SciVo August 24, 2019 5:48 AM  

You know, an easy defense would be to just tell the truth in all things, so that fakes would be easily identified.

Blogger Silent Draco August 24, 2019 6:06 AM  

He fears someone morphing a certain amphibian puppet head to replace his, and then using a slightly higher pitched voice to speak the fantasty about devouring his cousin, Miss Piggy.

Blogger Halvar Andersen August 24, 2019 6:15 AM  

"Are we entering a future where the only credible source of information will be direct personal contact?"

That would significantly diminish your reach now, wouldn't it Jordan?

Blogger SciVo August 24, 2019 6:22 AM  

To be clear, I'm being facetious. Our dread host is scrupulously honest, and that doesn't stop people from simply lying about him. It's what SJWs always do.

Blogger CoolHand August 24, 2019 6:24 AM  

This is just one more in a series of articles talking up "Deep Fakes", which are all meant to preempt and blunt the eventual release of truly damning video evidence vis a vis the ruling Cabal.

They're making big noises about Deep Fakes now, so that when the shit truly hits the fan they've laid the groundwork to declare whatever surfaces to be fake and to attempt to punish the publisher of said evidence using the courts and whatever else they can bring to bear.

The fact that they're spending the time to lay said groundwork is the best evidence to date that there really is some truly horrific video(s) out there waiting to be released.

Blogger Gregory the Great August 24, 2019 6:28 AM  

"more to come" write the makers of that site. I hope Shapiru is next.

Blogger John Fitzgerald August 24, 2019 6:42 AM  

Maybe it's the other voice in Peterson's head that has set out complaining. Stating that IT has sovereignty over the voice of Peterson and not anyone else!

Blogger Rek. August 24, 2019 6:42 AM  

But but but... Vox!! JP has such a high IQ. You simply cant understand him and enjoy his refined speech and sophisticated conclusions.

Blogger Scuzzaman August 24, 2019 6:45 AM  

If he hadn’t been so keen to hear his own voice and see his own image so relentlessly in the media, there would not be enough samples available for anyone to do this to him.

You reap what you sow, Jordan, whether you believe it or not.

Blogger The Cooler August 24, 2019 6:49 AM  

OT:

Trump has the media shilling for China: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/08/23/trump-hereby-orders-us-business-out-china-can-he-do-that/

TGE is now easing into his own playbook...

Blogger Psychicpony Bear August 24, 2019 6:52 AM  

Sorry JP, your claim that everyone is in as much danger as you really falls flat on it's face. I mean, those of us with discernable virtue and character will be just fine. But you, however, have no character or virtue to point to in order to claim that these audio clips are in fact false and "out of character". Hope your 15 minutes was worth it.

Blogger Rick August 24, 2019 6:52 AM  

How do we even know JP wrote that?

I felt manipulated reading it.

Concur with CoolHand.

Blogger Stilicho August 24, 2019 7:07 AM  

How can you distinguish a fake JP audio from his usual word salad? Because the fake might be coherent?

Someone should use the program to read parts of his own books where he fantasizes about cannabalizing his attractive cousin or dreaming about grandma naked.

Mountain Bear will have a field day combining this with a SP video.

Blogger Relativno gama August 24, 2019 7:10 AM  

I went to the website immediately after Owen's stream where he played a clip of this AI voice and it's clear that it's AI, it doesn't know how to read sentences properly.

Blogger Critias August 24, 2019 7:10 AM  

@6 yeah, and also he is that saying the tech is in the hands of the public - anyone can use it. So when it comes to the cabal some poor kid will be found guilty of creating the footage.
"the electronic machinery that makes such things possible will soon be within the reach of everyone."

Also that man talks the biggest load of waffle, his books must have been a nightmare to read.

Blogger VD August 24, 2019 7:11 AM  

Someone should use the program to read parts of his own books where he fantasizes about cannabalizing his attractive cousin or dreaming about grandma naked.

No need. He read those parts himself in the audiobook for Maps of Meaning.

Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira August 24, 2019 7:13 AM  

Any normal man would have just said, "That doesn't sound like me, fag."

Blogger rycamor August 24, 2019 7:23 AM  

Boomer Yells at Cloud

Blogger JACIII August 24, 2019 7:26 AM  

CoolHand wrote:This is just one more in a series of articles talking up "Deep Fakes", which are all meant to preempt and blunt the eventual release of truly damning video evidence vis a vis the ruling Cabal.

Yep, there's too much coordinated "concern".

Blogger PG August 24, 2019 7:27 AM  

I imagine if he was born in much earlier times he would have been one of those guys against writing.

He's a lunatic!

Blogger Uncle Maffoo August 24, 2019 7:30 AM  

If I were Peterson, I'd definitely hate the sound of my own voice.

Blogger Gregory the Great August 24, 2019 7:30 AM  

If the site still worked I would have him say this:
For a long time I believed I was God. Then my wife pointed out that this was in contradiction with my belief that there is no God. If there is no God not even you, Jordan, can be one, she said. Well, some of you might agree she has a point. A little later I heard somebody say that God is only a social construct. I found this quite convincing, and it certainly reinforced my belief that I am in fact God although one could say that this is only my own personal social construct. Anyway from all this we can only draw the conclusion that if there is any voice that has sanctity then it is God's voice. The people who created the site notjordanpeterson.com have violated this sanctity in the most reprehensible and blasphemous way I can imagine.

Blogger Cloudbuster August 24, 2019 7:31 AM  

Few, that text is indistinguishable from anything Jordan Peterson would write, but how do I know it is really him? How do I know the quotes I read in the newspaper or in text-based web news stories are really from that person? We have survived for centuries with a communication medium that is orders of magnitude easier to fake than audio-visual content. How did society survive?

Blogger Whitecloak August 24, 2019 7:31 AM  

@20 They're more coordinated about this than they are about pushing bug slurry on the masses.

Is this a play to get everyone to distrust any source whatsoever that isn't directly from an approved media organ?

I can't trust these cannibal kings to act in good faith.

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums August 24, 2019 7:33 AM  

Faustian deal.
He sold his soul so he can become a prophet. Now his words are heard all around the world, except they're not his words.

Blogger [Redacted] August 24, 2019 7:45 AM  

WTF I love deep fakes now.

Blogger Gregory the Great August 24, 2019 7:51 AM  

Before you comment on this post reflect on the extremely high probability that Peterson is reading your comments. So choose your words wisely to inflict maximum pain.

Blogger Rick August 24, 2019 7:54 AM  

Anonymous Conservative writes that the media is complaining that POTUS is holding these impromptu pressers with Marine One’s rotors blaring in the background.
How many hours of nice audio do you need for this new wiz bang thing? 6 hours?
jk

(Or am I)

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 24, 2019 7:58 AM  

He wants to make this a worldwide felony? AI technology is fungible.

Blogger dcn August 24, 2019 8:11 AM  

Wow, I was so excited to pick up my copy of "The Art of Sucking Dick" by Jordan Peterson, but it turns out I was tricked. How very rude. Shame on you Jordan Peterson.

Blogger Daniel August 24, 2019 8:13 AM  

Which of them is the fake Jordan Peterson?

Easy.

Both of them.

Blogger Avalanche August 24, 2019 8:21 AM  

@6 "there really is some truly horrific video(s) out there waiting to be released."

Yes. This, I fear, is why the DeepFake is being pushed just now... And WHY-OH-WHY are Barr and Trump and Horowitz and Huber and-and-and-and still playing statues?

Is this not exactly the message our enemies are beginning to roll out; get the public all absolutely sure the "uncomfortable" stuff about to come out is probably faked?! And, I don't like the messenger, but the bit is a signal of Deep Destruction. The Soviets may have done a mediocre job of "changing history" by changing photos - but huge numbers of MPAIs couldn't tell the difference...

"we will truly be unable to distinguish the real from the unreal, or exercise any control whatsoever on what videos reveal about behaviors we never engaged in,"

Total key phrase: "behaviors we never engaged in"!

Blogger jmg August 24, 2019 8:21 AM  

real or synthetic, jbp brings himself as the bearer of
false witness

Blogger Avalanche August 24, 2019 8:23 AM  

And notice -- the DeepFake pressure is ALWAYS to push the "using it to put nice people into porn" -- so when the true Deep STATE porn comes out; the MPAI will be already prepared to blow it off.

Blogger dienw August 24, 2019 8:23 AM  

Imagine, if you will, a world wherein every day at 9:30 A.M. and again at 2:30 P.M. getting a robocall using Jordan Peterson's voice. He wants to sell you insurance.

Blogger Damelon Brinn August 24, 2019 8:25 AM  

@6, Yep, no surprise to see Peterson helping to spread the narrative that deep fakes are already convincing and easy to make. When the coordinated articles first started coming out, I thought it was about the Biden groping clips, but now I think it's about a lot more than that.

Blogger Kraemer August 24, 2019 8:26 AM  

Wish we had access to the AI and could make it read Jordanetics

Blogger Rick August 24, 2019 8:29 AM  

“Total key phrase: "behaviors we never engaged in"!”

Well done.

Blogger James Dixon August 24, 2019 8:30 AM  

> and also he is that saying the tech is in the hands of the public - anyone can use it.

He's largely correct. Take a look at MaryTTS at http://mary.dfki.de/
The hard part is creating the voice to match the person.

Blogger Zaklog the Great August 24, 2019 8:42 AM  

Woo hoo! One of my comments got promoted to full post!

Blogger tublecane August 24, 2019 8:54 AM  

Sounds frightened at the prospect of having to defend himself against screeching mobs after merry pranksters put Nazi speeches in his mouth or have him say, "Fat people should be drowned at birth," for the rest of his life.

Let me proclaim proudly that the least ominous prospect of the Rise of the Machines is the mockery of celebrities.

Blogger Avalanche August 24, 2019 8:59 AM  

Perhaps I'm more worried than some of you seem to be?

@12 "those of us with discernable virtue and character will be just fine."

Are you really missing the other half of this technology? If you were an important enough personality / in a position to "need discarding/destruction" -- the use of DeepFake to show you forcing sex on a 6-yr-old could absolutely be created used – and THEN what use is your "discernable" virtue?! The 100 people who know you have virtue as against the 300 million who don't know you from Adam's housecat? Good luck with that! How much better for our enemies to SHOW candidate Trump actually grabbing a p-sy, than merely a vocal recording suggesting cheap women allow it? Interfering with an election? Yeah, that'd do it.

@24 "but how do I know it is really him? How do I know the quotes I read in the newspaper or in text-based web news stories are really from that person? We have survived for centuries with a communication medium that is orders of magnitude easier to fake than audio-visual content. How did society survive?"

Have you not noticed that society IS on its deathbed?! "Magnitudes easier to fake" meant exactly that – and all that printed fakery resulted in millions of White men dying to "save the Six Gorillian!" To invade some stupid little tropical country because "they shot at my battle ship!" Invade Cuba, invade Afghanistan, invade Iraq.... how many EXAMPLES of that fakery are you glossing over?!

@25 "Is this a play to get everyone to distrust any source whatsoever that isn't directly from an approved media organ?"

It maybe a desperate play, but with the oncoming release of what is supposed to be truly deeply damning evidence of horrors most of US could not imagine 3 years ago; and most MPAI may not ever be able to imagine, even when presented with actual video of actual tortures of children... Why would it not be the best-possible play for them? I will not call it a "Hail-Mary" play to avoid insulting our Catholics here, but it is one. If the Wiener laptop videos -- before DeepFake existed -- "allegedly" make hardened NYC cops CRY, how will the public respond if the those videos are made public in whatever small way is needed for legal action?

And is it not exactly the "approved media organs" that GOT us to this point? The approved media organs pushed and pushed and pushed on "gay are just like us, let them marry" -- and now we've got the most horrific trannies reading storybooks to 5-yr-olds in public libraries ... actively supported by your approved media organs. Approved media organs are beginning to push non-criminal pedophiles as acceptable. Trust THEM?!


@40 "The hard part is creating the voice to match the person."

Yeah. And, we didn't go to the moon! Is it not usually the case that the govt has bigger better faster more-refined versions of "stuff" than we out here in the public get? Think GPS satellites being approximate to "close-enough for the public" as against accurate to within cm for the military...

Do you think they do not already have what I vaguely remember seeing some years ago?! They showed the Bush-Monkey-Jr's actual FACE in an actual video and a pretty decent synthesis of his actual voice -- put together from recordings of him of which there are millions -- to show "him" saying something he never said? As I remember, it was not long after the "mission accomplished" crap. So much vocal synthesis is being worked on in the medical / rehabilitative fields that is not being bruited about to the public.

Blogger Section 8A August 24, 2019 9:33 AM  

I miss the New World Order shills from the 1980's. They were much less emotional, and not so transparent. And they wore better suits than Peterson as well.

Blogger Gregory the Great August 24, 2019 10:32 AM  

"make the unauthorized production of AI Deep Fakes a felony", he writes. Is this proof he watches Unauthorized.tv?
At least he does not want to punish the authorized production of deepfakes. Cabal sighs with relief.

Blogger DBSFF August 24, 2019 10:33 AM  

You gotta listen to the one where he says that the literature is VERY clear that being attracted to traps is NOT gay.

Blogger Ceasar August 24, 2019 10:34 AM  

How many political cartoons have we seen with politicians shown saying things they never said? Isn't that covered in First Amendment not to mention artistic license? These videos are no different.

In terms of the argument about how can people know what is real and fake, that could be accomplished by the software maker including a stamped logo somewhere on the video image.

They seem dead set on making sure whatever thoughts are in our heads never make it out to the world.

Blogger VD August 24, 2019 10:53 AM  

Perhaps I'm more worried than some of you seem to be?

Perhaps? It's safe to say that you're more worried than everyone, Avalanche. This isn't exactly news.

I would simply point out that wailing and writing walls of excessively punctuated text is not necessarily as productive as you appear to believe it to be.

It might help you to recall that listening to the lamentations of the enemy's women has been considered one of the fruits of victory.

Blogger tublecane August 24, 2019 11:15 AM  

@46- I thought they were called traps because they "trap" unsuspecting men into having sex with them. Case closed.

Why does that seem like such an apt subject for Peterson? The pronoun thing?

Blogger Max Boivin August 24, 2019 11:16 AM  

When I see those deep fakes, I see two possibilities:

1) We let them go rampant and they dramatically increase the proverbial "shadow of a doubt".

2) We need a "Butlerian Jihad".

Either case I'm alright with. Maybe the first one will lead to the second one. This is gonna be a fun ride either way.

Blogger The Greay Man August 24, 2019 11:27 AM  

Deep fake and face recognition make better scary headlines than real privacy issues.

These two things don't disturb me.

Blogger Dave August 24, 2019 11:29 AM  

VD wrote:I would simply point out that wailing and writing walls of excessively punctuated text is not necessarily as productive as you appear to believe it to be.

It might help you to recall that listening to the lamentations of the enemy's women has been considered one of the fruits of victory.


Smashing.

Blogger Noah B. August 24, 2019 11:41 AM  

Fake and gay, Jordy. Deepfakes will force cryptographically secure multimedia authentication schemes to become more widespread, which is long overdue.

Blogger Gregory the Great August 24, 2019 11:52 AM  

@52 Exactly. When you perceive a demon approaching you can do one of two things:
1. Shriek "OMG, a demon" and run away.
or
2. Silently say "Thank you, God, for this opportunity. I understand you are entrusting me with the task of fighting something so nasty" and then draw your sword.

Blogger Manuel August 24, 2019 11:54 AM  

Wall of Text. Every. Single. Time.
Buckos, have you made your beds?

Blogger sammibandit August 24, 2019 12:04 PM  

Calling for state violence because someone pulled a "I'm Jordan Peterson and I'm a dork" routine is the height of conservativism. Get your bootstraps, Jordy!

Blogger Dirk Manly August 24, 2019 12:09 PM  

The name of the site CLEARLY has "NOT Jordan Peterson" right there in the domain name.
I don't know what he's complaining about.

He certainly wasn't complaining about the technology overall -- he's only now complaining about it because it's being used with HIS voice as one of the sample-sets; so his is the sort of incoherent complaint that you get when your definition of truth is defined by what's convenient and what isn't.


Before last week, voice synthesis wasn't inconveniencing him -- therefore not a lie.
This week, voice synthesis DOES inconvenience him - therefore now a lie.
Well, of course, knowing Peterson as we do, I'm sure it's much twisted logic than even that.

Blogger Jim the Curmudgeon August 24, 2019 12:17 PM  

" It seems to me that active and aware lawmakers would take immediate steps to make the unauthorized production of AI Deep Fakes a felony offense, at least in the case where the fake is being used to defame, damage or deceive."

Why would a deep fake be a felony on account of defamation, when defamation itself is not a felony? The sort of thing that he is talking about is handled in civil court, not criminal court. As for deception, usually that sort of thing is covered by commercial/consumer law, including deceptive trade practices. What exactly is the deception, since the site is labeled 'not jordan peterson'.

There are mechanisms (e.g., moral rights) that can be used to protect works, but there's no work here. No one is altering one of his speeches or videos. Someone is merely generating a speech in his voice. Why should such an endeavor be proscribed in any fashion?

Basically JP doesn't know enough intellectual property, defamation or consumer protection law to even identify how those sorts of issues are dealt with. You'd think that he would do a quick 30 minute search before posting such an ill-considered post. Or stroll over a couple of blocks and talk to a law professor.

Blogger binks webelf August 24, 2019 12:35 PM  

@58. Dirk Manly -- "Before last week, voice synthesis wasn't inconveniencing him -- therefore not a lie."

Online sound-boards have existed for many years. Well-used, they produce a similar effect as the new 2019 website which has Mr. Peterson so worked up. Was it not an issue before it affected him? SMH.

On behalf of all sensible Canadians, I apologize to the world for JBP.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len August 24, 2019 12:39 PM  

"Thar oughtta be a lahw!"

Is there a more pathetic declaration of useless non-entity than this? Sure JP, the cops and courts will save us, they have such a fantastic record so far.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 24, 2019 12:43 PM  

@60 binks

So you agree.

Blogger lowercaseb August 24, 2019 1:01 PM  

Next on the list of people violating the sanctity of the voice...vocal impressionists. Round those blasphemers up and make them clean their room!

Blogger James Dixon August 24, 2019 1:06 PM  

> Yeah. And, we didn't go to the moon!

Which has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. I was noting that this level of technology is already available to the masses as an open source project, but that synthesizing a particular person's voice wasn't something that they had done. I said nothing about what else was available, to our government or anyone else.

Blogger sammibandit August 24, 2019 1:23 PM  

His reaction to the offense is disproportionate. When he was pushed into the limelight lamenting the movement to participate in lying about another's identity at the pain of state violence one premise to his complaint is that one's identity is known to others by the naked eye test. A guy who wants me to call him a she is obviously a he to the naked eye. Now he's complaining about the naked eye test and assuming people are too dumb to read the url or use their ears. That people are too dumb to use their discernment granted by God is something I'm coming to think Jordy takes as granted. What a hater and liar.

Blogger Xellos August 24, 2019 1:34 PM  

Part of me wonders what /pol/ would do with this. Another part of me knows it would be phrases like "disco disco party party", "notice me Vox-sempai", "oWo what's this", "Hitler did nothing wrong" or "Nothing!" I said nothing!"

Blogger Thomas Howard August 24, 2019 2:22 PM  

Moving forward into the future, it might be wise to consider a process for trademarking or copyrighting an individual's likeness, to include facial features, voice, and genome. Impersonating someone for fraudulent purposes is already a crime in the US. False attributions in spoken or written word that are damaging to one's reputation are actionable under slander or libel statutes. Surely an extension of existing law would be sufficient. I know of a fellow who takes his personal biography so seriously he mirrored the largest biographical/general encyclopedic website in the world and staffed his alternative site with hand picked editors for the purpose of curating his online image. Surely such a fellow would be supportive of this cause.

Blogger Doktor Jeep August 24, 2019 2:41 PM  

JP just never knows when to shut up

Blogger HouellebecqGurl August 24, 2019 3:22 PM  

What is this supposedly horrible damaging info that you believe is coming to light that will hurt major political players?
Because that's not gonna happen. No one is going to jail, nothing serious is coming to light.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( every man who walked on the moon was a honkey, WhiteManBad ) August 24, 2019 4:12 PM  

28. Gregory the Great August 24, 2019 7:51 AM
So choose your words wisely to inflict maximum pain.



hey, Jordan, how many times was it that you visited Epstein's island, again?

good thing Hillary had him whacked, eh?

*elbow in ribs*

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( every man who walked on the moon was a honkey, WhiteManBad ) August 24, 2019 4:21 PM  

49. tublecane August 24, 2019 11:15 AM
Why does that seem like such an apt subject for Peterson? The pronoun thing?



if pictures are anything to go by, Jordan married one.


55. Manuel August 24, 2019 11:54 AM
Buckos, have you made your beds?



i would, but i'm trying to reach the point of a Jordan Peterson article
...
i think he's live editing more text faster than i can read.

Blogger PG August 24, 2019 5:57 PM  

@28. Gregory the Great

Of course he is.

"Say hi to Vox for me" imagine in slow spooky tones oscillating between lunacy and lust.

Blogger David Craig August 24, 2019 9:07 PM  

Awfully convenient for Kermit that he can now blame his word salads on bots and trolls. If only he could find a way to blame them for his book and tweets, he will be in the clear haha

Blogger ScottC August 24, 2019 10:43 PM  

Vox, why do you think so many people on the right, including religious maga types, were taken in by Peterson after he staged that demonstration at his university? They made it seem like he had some really profound message to share with the world, but they couldn't explain what it was (each person told me something different). I knew Catholics who thought Peterson's message was Christian.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 25, 2019 2:09 AM  

They were taken in because he was expressing disapproval against political correctness and speech monitory... and he was being given TV time to do it (which is the telltale sign that he was actually being supported by the same people who he was speaking against -- therefore, controlled opposition.)

Blogger Dirk Manly August 25, 2019 2:14 AM  

Also, Peterson uses a lot of words to say nothing, and uses vagueness alot. Hypnotherapists uses vagueness SPECIFICALLY to get the client/patient to put their own interpretation on the vague statements. For example, "That thing that's bothering you.." is going to be different for each person, and the person will remember the session as being specifically crafted for their situation. But in fact, this is a technique called "blind therapy".... which, ironically, is MORE effective than if the hypnotherapist knows all of the specifics .... because if he knows the specifics, then the hypnotherapists starts making assumptions based on his OWN life and experiences.... but by sticking to blind/vague terms, and using a STRUCTURE for resolving the problems, the therapist doesn't go down into dead ends pursuing what he thinks is the "root of the problem", because he doesn't actually even work on trying to find out that information at all -- he just lets the client interpret that him/herself. (And this also works more effectively, because even under hypnosis, there are some things that people don't want to talk about out loud. Think of those things that you wouldn't tell even a most trusted friend, even under dire circumstances..... hypnotherapists talk about those things without talking about those things).

Blogger Paul M August 25, 2019 3:04 AM  

With respect to the point Petersen raises - we have the technology. Cryptographic keys have been around for a while, and they are getting more secure every year. They are as common and mainstream as HTTPS.

Fixing this problem is a matter of digitally signing videos, audio, and other media. It's not difficult to do, all that's really needed is an agreement on data formats and for the tech to be rolled out to video and audia players.

Blogger VD August 25, 2019 6:38 AM  

Vox, why do you think so many people on the right, including religious maga types, were taken in by Peterson after he staged that demonstration at his university?

His mirroring technique allows people to see what they want to see in him.

Blogger Dan in Georgia August 25, 2019 9:52 AM  

Gregory the Great wrote:"more to come" write the makers of that site. I hope Shapiru is next.

Dr Stangelove reading Benny's column agitating for war while he tries to keep his arm from doing the Seig Heil salute. At the end of each Tweet or JWN column, he ends with, "Mein Fuher, I can walk!"

Blogger sammibandit August 25, 2019 12:08 PM  

His audience in real life is mostly female. He's said so himself, and added that he targeted males. Mirroring must work better on the fairer sex.

It did on me. I was one of the over 50% females at one of his in real life engagements.

Blogger spinoza August 25, 2019 12:20 PM  

I was thinking today of just how much cannot be said or written but there is probably a good reason i cannot write this way. Since this is the wrong direction I will seeek the way back, but how to know where the path was? People like Peterson covet binaries of truth and fiction to the point that they become the space in between them. Where no thing can be there must exist something non corporal and in the relationship VD describes you are his master.

Blogger matveidaniilovich August 26, 2019 3:14 PM  

When is 4G Warfare audiobook being released with JBP voice?

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