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Tuesday, August 06, 2019

Republicans killing the GOP

It's almost astonishing to witness how determined the Republican politicians are to commit seppuku by embracing gun control:
Congressional Republicans, under intense pressure to respond to this weekend’s massacres, are coalescing around legislation to help law enforcement take guns from those who pose an imminent danger — a measure that, if signed into law, would be the most significant gun control legislation enacted in 20 years.

Now, after back-to-back shootings this weekend left 31 people dead in El Paso and Dayton, Ohio, Republicans who have long resisted gun restrictions appear rattled. In Ohio, Gov. Mike DeWine was shouted down on Sunday by mourners in Dayton demanding that he “do something.” On Tuesday, he urged his fellow Republicans in the state legislature to pass measures establishing red flag powers and expanding background checks.

“They were absolutely right,” Mr. DeWine said Tuesday morning at a news conference. “We must do something, and that is exactly what we are going to do.”
Gun control is unconstitutional, immoral, unAmerican, and intrinsically dangerous to the citizenry. It's also electoral suicide for Republicans. If we didn't already know many of them are cucks hell-bent on surrendering at any cost, it would be hard to understand why they are so quick to embrace the media's false narrative on the subject.

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Blogger Wayne August 06, 2019 9:24 PM  

DeWine and Kasich are political twins.

Blogger Gettimothy August 06, 2019 9:25 PM  

the false flag worked, so far

Blogger megabar August 06, 2019 9:25 PM  

Gun control is a funny thing. In a nation where I fully trusted the good faith of my government, and with a population I felt kinship to, I would not want gun control, because I would trust my fellow man. With the same government and the current US population, I would want gun control, because not every citizen here should have a gun. With the current government, though, I again don't want gun control, because I don't believe the this government will discharge their authority in good faith.

Blogger Noah B. August 06, 2019 9:27 PM  

Trump missed a golden opportunity yesterday to blame the turmoil and anger in the USA on the invasion that Congress refuses to address. Instead he blamed the victims - Americans who want the preservation of our nation as promised by none other than Ted Kennedy.

Blogger Weak August 06, 2019 9:28 PM  

Then all of Ohio will be just as safe and free of violence as gun free cities like Chicago or Baltimore. Those lucky people!

Blogger Unknown August 06, 2019 9:39 PM  

'Red Flag' laws. What will constitute a 'red flag' and who will make that decision? The same people who decide what can go on YouTube and Paper Americans.

It will be a red-flag to oppose immigration. It will be red-flag to be Christian. It will be a red-flag to be White. It will be a red-flag to cite the second and first amendments. It will be a red-flag to read crime-think here. Because all will be woven into a pattern of 'separatist sentiment' and all the old Communisms will be resurrected, dusted off, updated and reemployed. In fact, one suspects that merely wanting to own a rifle, in and of itself, will be regarded as a 'red-flag'.

'Background Checks' will mean enquiries with ISP's to check website activity for Crime-think exposures.

These hoaxes and false flags really seem to be working, or, do the GOPe types know something we don't? Or does someone know sth about them? Don't give your guns to the government.

It's perhaps timely that Nuon Chea, 'brother number 2' of the Khmer Rouge died on Sunday. The Cambodians had to give up their guns, and then they gave up their lives to little bespectacled men taught in the finest schools.

Blogger Jeroth August 06, 2019 9:47 PM  

Trump gets red flag passed, and he may very well lose. Gun culture personalities are abandoning the NRA for constant cucking. They're also grumbling loudly about Trump. They are fed up with the compromises. There are quite a few 2A only voters out there, and it's hard to convince them that an R congress and D president wouldn't be better for gun rights after such a debacle.

Trump doesn't really seem to care about guns either way, but with Ivanka (or "Queen Esther" as Kushner's synagogue is now calling her) constantly crying in the oval office, he's apt to keep giving her ponies.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 06, 2019 9:48 PM  

They must do something. Suicide is something, and therefore they must do it.

That's the (R) push for gun control in a nutshell.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 06, 2019 9:52 PM  

Noah B. wrote:Trump missed a golden opportunity yesterday to blame the turmoil and anger in the USA on the invasion that Congress refuses to address. Instead he blamed the victims - Americans who want the preservation of our nation as promised by none other than Ted Kennedy.

Trump has his good points, but he is definitely not of the Right.

Jeroth wrote:Trump gets red flag passed, and he may very well lose. Gun culture personalities are abandoning the NRA for constant cucking. They're also grumbling loudly about Trump. They are fed up with the compromises. There are quite a few 2A only voters out there, and it's hard to convince them that an R congress and D president wouldn't be better for gun rights after such a debacle.

Yep. Gun control is perhaps the surest way for Trump to transform Trumpslide2020 into President Kamela.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother August 06, 2019 10:03 PM  

They are traitors and cowards, and Trump is a boomer yankee.

Blogger Unknown August 06, 2019 10:03 PM  

The red flag laws will be instantly abused by radical leftists, just watch.

I believe in reincarnation, because Dan Crenshaw can only be John McCain reincarnated in the flesh.
-Unknownsailor-

Blogger Crew August 06, 2019 10:11 PM  

Yep. Gun control is perhaps the surest way for Trump to transform Trumpslide2020 into President Kamela.

President "Knees-up" Harris will be more than happy to slap you in jail just for owning a gun like she did with all those people who she jailed for smoking marijuana!

Blogger Bad Attitude August 06, 2019 10:16 PM  

Gun grabber Democrats and quisling Republicans can pass whatever laws they want. Gun owners will not comply - it's called civil disobedience. The "assault weapon" and magazine bans passed in a couple states in the emotional aftermath of Sandy Hook were a failure - massive non-compliance.

Gun control is people control.

Blogger SciVo August 06, 2019 10:17 PM  

This is what happens when you have a political class made up of 'tards.

Blogger Nikolai Collushnikov August 06, 2019 10:23 PM  

Gun control?
An estimated 600 Million guns in an estimated 150 Million private American hands?

Good luck.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother August 06, 2019 10:25 PM  

1% of that estimated number is 1.5 million. 3% is 4.5 million guerillas. Have fun boys.

Blogger Raker_T August 06, 2019 10:28 PM  

I guess it was about 10 years ago, had an in law go on the run. LE paid us a couple of visits related to the incident. At the same time, there was a trend in this part of the country; whereby people had this white vinyl lettering stuck to the rear window of their car that said "In Loving Memory Of..." The words were arched over the top, with someone's name and info below that and often a cross. Me, being sarcastic, made one like that, but with "US Constitution" arched underneath, and a toilet in the middle. There was a paper scroll being flushed.
So on the second visit, somehow it became known that the extra police presence was because of that constitution sticker on my truck.

Blogger Doktor Jeep August 06, 2019 10:46 PM  

If Trump cucks he's done

Blogger SciVo August 06, 2019 10:51 PM  

Doktor Jeep wrote:If Trump cucks he's done

It's fine, he made them an offer they couldn't accept.

Blogger Ska_Boss August 06, 2019 10:52 PM  

At least the democrats are open and honest about their intentions. Traitors need to be hanged.

Blogger Azimus August 06, 2019 10:57 PM  

Ska_BossAugust 06, 2019 10:52 PM
At least the democrats are open and honest about their intentions


Have you not been paying attention for the last 20 years?

Blogger Welsh Woodsman August 06, 2019 11:02 PM  

The Grand Old Pussies cave again. Color me shocked !

Blogger American Spartan August 06, 2019 11:02 PM  

As stated before on so many other issues, Conservatives conserve NOTHING, were we ever really shocked about them stabbing us in the back?

To be honest, why even vote for them? Even when they win, they do nothing at best, at worst, they do the bidding of the dems, to hell with them, primary out every single fuck that goes along with this plan, and double fuck Juan McAmnesty 2.0 Dan Crenshaw, cant wait to see you lose your primary.

Open Borders
"Muh "cheap" labor"
Now Gun Control and using the FBI to harass your own base? These stupid bastards really are self destructive, self hating fools of the David French Caliber.

Purge them all, retake the party, then retake America.

And no, all the fainting couches, luxury cruise ships, and whining will save you cucks and your israeli owners.

Blogger American Spartan August 06, 2019 11:06 PM  

Tards, cucks, cowards, traitors and controlled opposition

Blogger Bobo #117 August 06, 2019 11:08 PM  

Dear Texans
Dan "Winky" Crenshaw has cucked on you yet again. He's a plant.
Deal with him accordingly, or forever have the stain of Cabal spooked dripping down your chin.

Blogger Bobo #117 August 06, 2019 11:09 PM  

Spooge. F%kin spooge...

Blogger Dave Dave August 06, 2019 11:12 PM  

Disarming your own people is stupid and immoral. Congressional republicans earned their loss.

Blogger tublecane August 06, 2019 11:12 PM  

"under intense pressure"

Unless they mean threat of cutting off funds or blackmail, no. The GOP is "under intense pressure" to do things it professes not to wish to do all the time. What's special about now? Nothing.

Parkland at least had a massive, well-coordinated propaganda campaign. Even still, it had nothing to do with bump-stocks. Just like Chartleston had nothing to do with anti-Confederate iconoclasm. Are they ever going to realize the enemy "never let[s] a crisis go to waste?"

This isn't even a crisis. Never let anything go to waste; that's our game now.

Blogger Noah B. August 06, 2019 11:13 PM  

"At least the democrats are open and honest about their intentions."

Dems shamelessly lie to their supporters. They always promise massive gibs for the poor but deliver corporate welfare and bureaucracy, tossing a few peanuts to the plebs to keep them quiet. Don't count on Dem voters wising up to the game anytime soon though.

Blogger lowercaseb August 06, 2019 11:21 PM  

SciVo wrote:Doktor Jeep wrote:If Trump cucks he's done

It's fine, he made them an offer they couldn't accept.


Exactly...it's the reason why he dug the "Vidya is bad" rhetoric out of the 90s trashcan. It's not 5d chess, but it's also a quick and easy platitude.

Blogger VFM #7634 August 06, 2019 11:27 PM  

If Trump cucks he's done

As our host himself has repeatedly said, wait 48 hours. Trump has done this kind of thing before, but he hasn't sold us out before and I don't expect him to start now. The virtue-signaling stage he does is true to type, riding the prog bellyfeelz and emotional outrage until it dissipates in a couple of days.

Blogger Noah B. August 06, 2019 11:38 PM  

Trump has done this kind of thing before, but he hasn't sold us out before and I don't expect him to start now.

There was the bumpstock ban and we don't know its full ramifications yet. Bumpstocks themselves are a worthless accessory and little more than toys, and only time will tell if this ban and the way it was enacted sets a precedent for much worse infringements.

Blogger pyrrhus August 06, 2019 11:48 PM  

Red Flag laws are to enable the crazy cat ladies to claim (anonymously) to the cops that you owning a firearm is making them crazy....literally, that is what happens...Or the cops may just make up a complainant as an excuse to raid you..

Blogger pyrrhus August 06, 2019 11:49 PM  

If the Republicans pass this disaster and Trump signs it, he is toast.

Blogger Jeroth August 07, 2019 12:09 AM  

Noah B. wrote:There was the bumpstock ban and we don't know its full ramifications yet. Bumpstocks themselves are a worthless accessory and little more than toys, and only time will tell if this ban and the way it was enacted sets a precedent for much worse infringements.

The logical ramifications of the bump stock ban are a ban on all semi-auto. "Rate increasing device" is so vague that a judge could interpret it to mean almost anything. Any good trigger upgrade is a "rate increasing device". Jerry Miculek can shoot faster WITHOUT a bump stock than with one. Is his finger a "rate increasing device"?

The bump stock ban was pure poison.

Blogger SciVo August 07, 2019 12:11 AM  

@39 pyrrhus:
It is not a deal that Trump offered, and I think it is an understatement to say that he dislikes it when people ignore his offer, write up a new one, and say "No, sign this." He doesn't do submission.

Blogger map August 07, 2019 12:23 AM  

The bumpstock ban was enacted at a time when Trump was in a much weaker position. He is much stronger now and has greatly re-affirmed his support for the 2nd Amendment.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother August 07, 2019 12:25 AM  

48 hours
48 hours

Goos fraba

Blogger TheMaleRei August 07, 2019 12:33 AM  

At this rate, a few more wind up toys sent into action and the "Department of Precrime" will come into being...

Blogger cyrus83 August 07, 2019 12:35 AM  

It wouldn't be the Republican party if there weren't test dummies pissing into the wind at every opportunity to see if it's time to surrender.

What I think the powers that be are aiming for here is the ability to declare people dangers to the community with the assistance of corrupt judges and doctors with the red flag laws and to lock them up and drug them up much as we used to do with the insane in asyla. It would probably come off as a "reasonable" compromise after pushing the Overton window by floating confiscation then backing down when the public support for such inevitably fails to materialize.

Unlike the loony bins of the past, the goal wouldn't be to round up the mentally insane for the public benefit, it would be to round up political/SJW opposition in a sort of SJW home for the mentally sane.

Blogger pyrrhus August 07, 2019 12:41 AM  

The bumpstock ban is so clearly not authorized by the NFA, and the ATF had previously said so, that its constitutionality doesn't even matter...if it gets upheld by the Courts, we have left Kansas forever.

Blogger pyrrhus August 07, 2019 12:43 AM  

@45 Cops don't need a doctor to rat you out, your bitter divorced wife or crazy sister-in-law will do nicely...at least in the version adopted by several States...

Blogger Whitecloak August 07, 2019 12:58 AM  

@47 Yep, and that's the fear isn't it? Tyranny of the cat lady.

Who among us doesn't have 'that' relative? Totalitarian systems often use near kin as enforcers to further rend the organic social fabric.

Blogger map August 07, 2019 1:00 AM  

OT:

Fox pushed shooting hoax.

https://truthbits.blog/2019/08/06/fox-news-pushes-shooting-hoax/

Folks, this proves Twitter is in on the shootings, Fox News is in on the shootings, Wal Mart is in on the shootings – they HAVE TO be a huge open joke among those who are “privileged”, there’s no way Twitter missed the fact that these people were using their platform to announce and plan the next shooting and there’s no way Wal Mart had this happen at two of their stores by accident, and there’s NO WAY FOX HAD THE REPORT AHEAD OF TIME WITHOUT BEING DIRECTLY INVOLVED, BUSTED BUSTED BUSTED." video from tv screen can be seen and heard -

Here is the video of the Fox host announcing ahead of time that a shooting has occurred before it happened.

https://videopress.com/v/4So3oTga

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 07, 2019 1:18 AM  

Crew wrote:President "Knees-up" Harris will be more than happy to slap you in jail just for owning a gun like she did with all those people who she jailed for smoking marijuana!

So would Pence, as soon as he could surrender to the Left. Cucks are never better than the Leftists they serve. Trump isn't one of us, but he's no cuck. Most gun owners won't care about that if Trump pushes gun control - he'll lose their votes. It'll be OK; when we elected Trump, it was just to burn it all down faster. If he implements more gun control, we're back to burning it all down, just like we expected in 2015.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 07, 2019 1:26 AM  

VFM #7634 wrote:As our host himself has repeatedly said, wait 48 hours. Trump has done this kind of thing before, but he hasn't sold us out before and I don't expect him to start now. The virtue-signaling stage he does is true to type, riding the prog bellyfeelz and emotional outrage until it dissipates in a couple of days.

You are probably right. However, Trump isn't one of us: not of the Right, never been a part of the gun culture. He has no clue what he's messing with, no clue how easily he could lose how much support. It's helpful to him for us to rant here abput how this could go wrong, because no one he knows has a clue. If the staffer he pays to read Alt-Right websites says: the gunowners are starting to hate you, then he gets a clue.

Blogger PG August 07, 2019 2:19 AM  

This isn't necessarily a bad thing. It will give those who are actually capable and willing to defend their area a hurry up. Same with the false flags.

Blogger D Zniger August 07, 2019 2:37 AM  

Not having these rights as an European, the idea of giving up the freedom to guns makes me just angry and sad. A few crazies and false flags and apparently any nation can now be manipulated.

Blogger P Glenrothes August 07, 2019 3:01 AM  

Trump puts out a gun control plan. Congress doesn't pass it. The opposition to Trump loses a talking point.

Blogger Steb August 07, 2019 3:40 AM  

How many 2A voters live in swing states?

In some ways the red flag laws might be the best compromise, especially as the people administering the tests are employed at state level - the police not the FBI. It's at least more nuanced than a federal ban on specific models, and it accelerates the peaceful balkanisation of the states into New and Classic USAs.

Blogger Jack Ward August 07, 2019 4:25 AM  

Not read comments yet. But, one answer here, for each of us, doing what we are able,for now, is to contact each of our senators and our rep, find out what they intend to do, and if needed, come primary season vote them out for someone, we hope, can be trusted to toe the line on the 2nd. I know that takes time we may not have. But, that before peaceful civil unrest in the form of a general strike.
Who knows, maybe it will do some good. The idea of Red Flag laws is frightening. If not, Trump may have some more rabbits to pull out; if not Him, then I suspect the US military, at least the best of them may have some ideas. Their ideas may include a hard to control takeover of the civilian government. Problem is, of course, should they do this, will they return that control to Constitutional civilian control?
These are very troubling times....

Blogger James Dixon August 07, 2019 4:41 AM  

> Trump gets red flag passed, and he may very well lose.

Correct. If the D's can get their act together and come up with a halfway sane sounding opponent. The wall, while in progress, is obviously not going to get done even in two terms. That and betraying his base on gun control could actually cost him the election.

> The red flag laws will be instantly abused by radical leftists, just watch.

And we'll have to abuse them back. Make them unenforceable.

> In some ways the red flag laws might be the best compromise

We're through compromising. It may get passed, but it won't be with our consent.

> But, one answer here, for each of us, doing what we are able,for now, is to contact each of our senators and our rep, find out what they intend to do

Mine? The same thing they did on the Obama budgets and Obamacare repeal. Cuck like they're chickens asking to be fed. They already know I won't vote for them again.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 07, 2019 4:43 AM  

@40

""Rate increasing device" is so vague that a judge could interpret it to mean almost anything."

Which means it's too vague to be enforced, and will be thrown out eventually, because that very vagueness makes any technology more sophisticated than a ball-and-patch muzzle loader illegal.

Blogger Paulito August 07, 2019 4:48 AM  

"to help law enforcement take guns from those who pose an imminent danger"

"Law enforcement" is going to take guns from the government?

Blogger C-Speaks August 07, 2019 4:49 AM  

Erode the freedom, one step at a time. The cuckservatives representing actual Americans are complicit in this. They do not and never will serve their voters interests.

Blogger Brett baker August 07, 2019 6:04 AM  

Let's just say the violent parts of Ohio look like the violent parts of Chicago and Baltimore.

Blogger Brett baker August 07, 2019 6:14 AM  

Unfortunately, Trump isn't going to say, "I'll support a red flag law, but we're going to have to remove suppressors and SBRs from the NFA, and reopen the full-auto registry."
The Red Flag laws won't be so popular then.

Blogger basementhomebrewer August 07, 2019 7:05 AM  

Mike DeWine has always been a gun grabber. The retards in the Ohio GOP believed him when he said his support for the assault weapons ban in the 90s was a mistake he wouldn't repeat. He had 2 decent contenders against him in the primary but people voted for him simply out of name recognition. It was an object lesson on MPAI.

Blogger MidnightSun August 07, 2019 7:06 AM  

The shootings won't stop until the premier intelligence agencies start doing their job. They are to busy watching you and me to go after the most dangerous people in the country. This is proof the agencies are still converged. An example is the recent (Russian) Hoax: imagine the assets devoted to taking down a sitting president when all hell was breaking lose with illegal immigration, pedos, antifa and current wave of mass shooters. Pathetic.

Blogger BastionHarm August 07, 2019 7:10 AM  

I see a few on this thread saying that Red Flag laws might be a good compromise, etc.

Hell. No.

Just. Stop. Now.

Kamala Harris was raving over the weekend about the same topic of Red Flag laws and bragged about their ability to put everyone on a list who was found by a court to be a danger to themselves and others.

I think we all know how this plays out.

Pretty sure that the only people on this list will be those who are opposed to globohomo clownworld. That is where we are in America, 2019.

What?!?

You think there are only TWO genders!?

You are a DANGER to others!!!

You don’t think the homosexual lifestyle is completely normal and healthy and to be celebrated??

You are a DANGER to others!!!

You think your 8 year old boy shouldn’t be taught how to engage in anal sex in his public school!??

You are a DANGER to others!!!

You don’t want your white teenage daughter forcibly bused to the ghetto where she will face rape threats on a daily basis from inner city feral blacks?!?

You are a DANGER to others!!!

You don’t want to see your white neighborhood overrrun with feral blacks with Section 8 housing!?!

You are a DANGER to others!!!

…yeah, that’s exactly where this Red Flag law crap is heading and heading fast.

Blogger BastionHarm August 07, 2019 7:14 AM  

Noah B. wrote:"At least the democrats are open and honest about their intentions."

Dems shamelessly lie to their supporters. They always promise massive gibs for the poor but deliver corporate welfare and bureaucracy, tossing a few peanuts to the plebs to keep them quiet. Don't count on Dem voters wising up to the game anytime soon though.


I dunno…the negroes in the Section 8 housing project that Obama-Holder imported into my neighborhood seem to be doing just fine as they drive around in $35,000 Pontiacs. And they seem to be providing for they keeeedz alright considering how overfed they look.

Blogger Dole August 07, 2019 7:47 AM  

Republicans are the most cucked things I have ever seen.

Blogger Tlotsi August 07, 2019 8:01 AM  

BastionHarm wrote:Noah B. wrote:"At least the democrats are open and honest about their intentions."

Dems shamelessly lie to their supporters. They always promise massive gibs for the poor but deliver corporate welfare and bureaucracy, tossing a few peanuts to the plebs to keep them quiet. Don't count on Dem voters wising up to the game anytime soon though.


I dunno…the negroes in the Section 8 housing project that Obama-Holder imported into my neighborhood seem to be doing just fine as they drive around in $35,000 Pontiacs. And they seem to be providing for they keeeedz alright considering how overfed they look.



Any Pontiacs would have to be pretty old, since Pontiac went out of business in 2010.

Blogger Stilicho August 07, 2019 8:26 AM  

Dewine has always been a cuck. His only redeeming quality was that he was not as much of a bottom as Kasich. Moreover, Dewine has his son on the state Supreme Court working hard to support his father's cuck agenda. Both are very weak men who played the political game by being "nice" and relatively inoffensive milquetoasts that get elected in the Midwest by crafting an image of "that well-behaved boy down the street". So much effort is put into crafting their image that they are totally invested in protecting that image at all costs. Right and wrong, right and left, rarely enter into their personal calculus.

Blogger Valley Forge Patriot August 07, 2019 8:33 AM  

Vox, you dishonor the Samurai by using the term "seppuku". That is an honorable way to die. The Stupid Party is killing themselves by stupidity, like eating Tide pods "cause they look good."

Remember this always, the Republicans are to the Democrats like the Washington Generals are to the Harlem Globetrotters; the designated opposition that looks stupid, clumsy and ALWAYS loses.

IMHO, Trump blew it this past weekend and will not be reelected, assuming he even makes it to the 2020 election. Impeachment action is now a forgone conclusion. The Communists will throw every legal obstacle they can at Trump including the proverbial kitchen sink. The "GOP" will disavow him. They will tie Trump up in so many investigations and court trials, he won't have time to sh#t, much less govern the PRNA. And there is always assassination if all else fails.

There Will Be War!

Blogger Watchu talkin bout Willis August 07, 2019 8:35 AM  

Seems the soy-boy Dayton murderer was also one who participated in the counter-protest against the KKK in Dayton a few months back.

https://www.whio.com/news/local/just-dayton-shooter-was-armed-counter-protester-klux-klan-rally/OjUttVmHRpmBGqHNRGXyoL/

Thus the paradox of an "antifa" protesting "raycissss" then a few months later murdering six black people (and three whites).

And the progs will satiate their guilt by chipping away at the rights of normal Americans.

Blogger Ska_Boss August 07, 2019 8:48 AM  

Sure they lie everyday about things like gender wage gap, patriarchy, White and Asian privilege, etc but when it comes to their hatred of America and Western Civilization they are honest about pushing progressivism until those two things are dismantled.

Conservative Republicans are supposed to be the ones protecting the Constitution but they have been conceding and losing ground for years now.

Blogger Dole August 07, 2019 9:10 AM  

@Ska_Boss if the conservative republicans who didn't even conserve their underwear upon being called a racist would grow a pair, maybe we wouldn't have to listen to all those lies all the time.

Blogger Damelon Brinn August 07, 2019 9:18 AM  

In some ways the red flag laws might be the best compromise

There's no need (or opportunity) for any compromise. Everyone's votes on gun ownership have been set for years, and will not be changed by this shooting or the next. Empty rhetoric is fine. If Republicans want to wring their hands in public and hold a national moment of silence after each shooting in hopes that the media won't blame them, fine (not that it will work). But then they should do nothing and let it fade from the news, as they always do.

I thought the synagogue shooting last year might be an exception, since a shooting in a synagogue has to be the worst-est shooting possible. It was gone in a week and I can't even remember that guy's name, only the phrase "Screw your optics, I'm going in" because it became a meme for a while.

If Republicans just say "This is very sad" and then do nothing, it won't cost them a single vote. Even better, they could point out that the El Paso Walmart was in a gun-free zone, so it's time to question the constitutionality of those. If they were actually pro-gun ownership, they'd act like it's a good thing, and not like it's something we have to allow because an authority in the past wrote it down and we're stuck with it.

Blogger Stilicho August 07, 2019 9:43 AM  

I for one will laugh my ass off if TGE's ultimate "do something" response after all the rhetoric is to designate Antifa as a terrorist organization.

If on the other hand, TGE enacts further 2A restrictions, he's lost me and may posterity forget that I ever considered him my countryman. Let him lose re-election and/or be impeached on frivolous or false grounds... let it burn and let's get on with the party while I'm young.

Blogger Nobody of Consequence August 07, 2019 10:19 AM  

Story, Joseph, LL.D., 1833 (1991), Commentaries on the
Constitution of the United States, Book III, Pg. 746-747,
Paragraph 1889 - 1890, Rothman, Littleton, CO.
ISBN 0-8377-2646-8

...

"1889. The next amendment is: 'A well regulated militia
being necessary to the security of a free state, the
right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be
infringed.'

1890. The importance of this article will scarcely be
doubted by any persons, who have duly reflected upon
the subject. The militia is the natural defence of a
free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic
insurrections, and domestic usurpations of power by
rulers. It is against sound policy for a free people
to keep up large military establishments and standing
armies in time of peace, both from the enormous
expenses, with which they are attended, and the facile
means, which they afford to ambitious and unprincipled
rulers, to subvert the government, or trample upon the
rights of the people. The right of citizens to keep
and bear arms has justly been considered, as the
palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it
offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and
arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if
these are successful in the first instance, enable the
people to resist and triumph over them.
And yet,
though this truth would seem so clear, and the
importance of a well regulated militia would seem so
undeniable, it cannot be disguised, that among the
American people there is a growing indifference to any
system of militia discipline and a strong disposition,
from a sense of its burthens, to be rid of all
regulations. How it is practicable to keep the people
duly armed without some organization, it is difficult
to see. There is certainly no small danger, that
indifference may lead to disgust, and disgust to
contempt; and thus gradually undermine all protection
intended by this clause in our national bill of
rights."

Red flag laws should be ruled unconstitutional on due process laws. Once accused, there is no way of proving you are NOT guilty. No one can prove a negative so red flag laws screw us all. Had a run in with a neighbor, relative, ex, etc. You will lose your God-given Rights to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

D.T.A. See Stallone.

Blogger Kat August 07, 2019 10:24 AM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:VFM #7634 wrote:As our host himself has repeatedly said, wait 48 hours. Trump has done this kind of thing before, but he hasn't sold us out before and I don't expect him to start now. The virtue-signaling stage he does is true to type, riding the prog bellyfeelz and emotional outrage until it dissipates in a couple of days.

You are probably right. However, Trump isn't one of us: not of the Right, never been a part of the gun culture. He has no clue what he's messing with, no clue how easily he could lose how much support. It's helpful to him for us to rant here abput how this could go wrong, because no one he knows has a clue. If the staffer he pays to read Alt-Right websites says: the gunowners are starting to hate you, then he gets a clue.


His sons are big gun people though. Considering how Jr is one of his dad's more outspoken proxies I don't think Trump is that out of touch with gun owner's feelings on this sort of thing.

Blogger Damelon Brinn August 07, 2019 10:37 AM  

@72 Kat, it's funny how often people exaggerate Ivanka's influence but ignore Jr.'s. Defeatism is an insidious thing.

Blogger OneWingedShark August 07, 2019 10:41 AM  

Noah B. wrote:Trump missed a golden opportunity yesterday to blame the turmoil and anger in the USA on the invasion that Congress refuses to address. Instead he blamed the victims - Americans who want the preservation of our nation as promised by none other than Ted Kennedy.
This is true, and it adds some evidence to my suspicion that Trump is not really about his base — pandering to gun-control gains him nothing, because "the Left" (including those tagged with an R) simply hate him and will NOT work with him in any way, while at the same time alienating his base supporters. It's incidents like this that make me wonder if —despite how much he praises it and declares/claims that he wants it— he really understands loyalty: for with loyalty one cannot demand, and demand, and demand without showing it in return. (Such a one-way relationship is, frankly, abusive.)

I also wonder what, conceptually, he considers "America" to be. Some of his actions seem to indicate that he thinks "'the economy' equals America" and so a good economy is a good America… extended to the big corporations which have no ties to the people.

Jeroth wrote:Gun culture personalities are abandoning the NRA for constant cucking.
NRA is the single best example of "controlled opposition" that I can think of.

Ominous Cowherd wrote:They must do something. Suicide is something, and therefore they must do it.
That's the (R) push for gun control in a nutshell.

it would be funny if it weren't so accurate a description.

Jeroth wrote:The bump stock ban was pure poison.
#NotAllPoison
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MidnightSun wrote:The shootings won't stop until the premier intelligence agencies start doing their job.
Considering that it's not exactly improbable that these shootings are planned, motivated, staged, and/or facilitated by the intelligence agencies themselves…

Blogger MegaBusterShepard August 07, 2019 11:03 AM  

Also entirely impossible. There's a good documentary about Ghost Guns by national geographic that shows a bunch of poor phillipino farmers hammering 1911's together with melted down scrap and coke cans. Not to mention you can create ammunition just by a trip to the hardware store.

Blogger BastionHarm August 07, 2019 11:08 AM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:@72 Kat, it's funny how often people exaggerate Ivanka's influence but ignore Jr.'s. Defeatism is an insidious thing.

Question:

Is it "defeatism" to complain (as many are now doing) about Trump's channeling Hillary Clinton by saying that "hate has no place in America!", "white supremacy must be defeated", and calling for red flag laws and the death penalty for "hate speech"?

I mean, he could've just said "so sad, let's have a moment of silence" (and nothing more), or, better, "these shootings are part and parcel of living in multi-cultural America", or blame the Mexican invasion, or point out that this occurred in a gun free zone so gun laws don't work, and a host of other things...

But no...he had to go out and channel Hillary Clinton.

What does he think he will accomplish by that?

By using his bully pulpit to come out in favor of red flag laws, he just delivered a HUGE bone to the Democrats, one that they have been salivating over for years, because they know that Red Flag laws will be an effective way to disarm anyone to the Right of Elizabeth Warren. And, since he suggested it, the Republicans will be given a big, fat green light to support and proceed with Red Flag legislation. Which will be suicide for both him and his party.

Blogger Damelon Brinn August 07, 2019 11:23 AM  

@76, No, I'm talking about the general pattern I mentioned.

Blogger DonReynolds August 07, 2019 12:43 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Crew wrote:President "Knees-up" Harris will be more than happy to slap you in jail just for owning a gun like she did with all those people who she jailed for smoking marijuana!

So would Pence, as soon as he could surrender to the Left. Cucks are never better than the Leftists they serve. Trump isn't one of us, but he's no cuck. Most gun owners won't care about that if Trump pushes gun control - he'll lose their votes. It'll be OK; when we elected Trump, it was just to burn it all down faster. If he implements more gun control, we're back to burning it all down, just like we expected in 2015.


I agree completely.
The only reason for voting Trump in 2016 was to buy more time. He was never one of us and never will be. I have decided the time has been better used by the Leftists than by the Patriotic Americans. If Trump had packed up the illegal aliens and sent them back....and built the wall....the time would have been spent wisely. Instead, we have an administration that keeps falling on the football to run out the clock. That only makes sense if you are ahead on the scoreboard....but we are not. WE need to move the football or we are going to lose it to the other team. It is time for Offense to start earning their pay.

We all know what Red Flag laws mean and who will be targeted. We also know they will fail. In this country, we do not punish anyone for crimes until they are convicted of having done the crime...not because "somebody" thinks they might, because of a dream or because they are jealous or don't want to pay the money they owe. The opportunity for abuse has no checks or safeguards. Put my name at the top of the list. Let me be first.

Blogger Clay August 07, 2019 12:55 PM  

LOL. Pontiacs. We used to have a saying about them.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 07, 2019 1:48 PM  

Kat wrote:His sons are big gun people though. Considering how Jr is one of his dad's more outspoken proxies I don't think Trump is that out of touch with gun owner's feelings on this sort of thing.

Big gun people? Does that mean that guns are for the important people, not for the rabble? I don't know them, but I doubt they were raised in the gun culture. That's something you learn at your father's side, and Don Senior wasn't the man to teach it to Don Junior.

I still doubt that Trump knows anyone who has a clue.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 07, 2019 1:52 PM  

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Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 07, 2019 1:55 PM  

DonReynolds wrote:Instead, we have an administration that keeps falling on the football to run out the clock.

Q keeps telling us that they are setting things up for the future. The future keeps on being not now. As you say, if the clock runs out, it's our side that's screwed. Q's storm better happen before the Left wins by default. The storm could still happen, but somebody on our side is going to have to take some actual action to make it happen, and that I haven't seen yet.

It's not that nothing is happening; good things are happening. It's that none of the game changing things are happening.

Blogger Kat August 07, 2019 1:57 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Kat wrote:His sons are big gun people though. Considering how Jr is one of his dad's more outspoken proxies I don't think Trump is that out of touch with gun owner's feelings on this sort of thing.

Big gun people? Does that mean that guns are for the important people, not for the rabble? I don't know them, but I doubt they were raised in the gun culture. That's something you learn at your father's side, and Don Senior wasn't the man to teach it to Don Junior.

I still doubt that Trump knows anyone who has a clue.


Trump personally carries, and his sons are hunters. He's never said or implied (to my knowledge) "Guns for me but not for thee." In fact, I remember the usual suspects getting incredibly frothy when, at a rally, Trump basically said that 2A was a defense against tyranny.

I'm sure someone will comment that talk is cheap, but the fact remains that the Trump family uses and owns guns for protection and recreation. In other words, their talk and their walk are more closely aligned than is typical for East Coast elites.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 07, 2019 2:04 PM  

Kat wrote:

I'm sure someone will comment that talk is cheap, but the fact remains that the Trump family uses and owns guns for protection and recreation. In other words, their talk and their walk are more closely aligned than is typical for East Coast elites.


That is good. Still, red flag laws that stake your rights on a judge's whim are going to look very different to men who own judges. ``Trump is better than most'' is not at all the same as ``Trump is one of us.''

Blogger justaguy August 07, 2019 2:53 PM  

By linking his support of red flag laws to border control/immigration reform on his terms he placates the masses but gives the Dems a poison pill they will not swallow. I can see how Trump, being an old moderate guy, might not realize how badly red flag laws could be used... so he doesn't see it as a big issue. However most voters in US see red flag laws as okay and the SC would likely uphold them-- it fits Scalia's Heller opinion.

Trump is looking at reelection and can't be tagged with doing nothing on these mass shooting. If it becomes politics on not getting passed, that is okay. A hard right guy that would pass here at this blog would lose in a landslide. Remember the bulk of all information consumed by voters is controlled by hard leftists who don't care about truth. Somehow our side still has to win politically-- or we lose. To lose nobly is still to lose-- and then we get much more than just red flag laws. We are still only 1 vote on SC away from losing all guns unless in the armed forces. So stop dreaming and start figuring out how to compromise and work things in our direction. It took decades to move this far left and away from liberty-- it will take decades to move back.

Blogger binks webelf August 07, 2019 3:10 PM  

FWIW, Anonymous Conservative has an interesting take:

"As a window into what may be Trump’s thinking in calling for Red Flag laws, an anon on 4chan noted how by taking a position supporting Red Flag Laws and background checks immediately, Trump took the centrist/moderate position. The left was hoping to occupy this spot, but Trump took it first.

So now the left has no choice but to play the radical position of full semi-auto ban, seizures from homes, magazine bans, and so on, which means they probably go for that and can then lose everything. And if anything minor does pass, which if it does, it would have one way or another, Trump takes credit for it, and the left looks like losers. That sounds about right, though I would state red flag laws will hurt some gun turnout in 2020, in my opinion, compared to rebuffing everything.

We have to keep in mind both Don Jr and Eric are hardcore NRA, so there is no doubt what way the wind will blow with the administration. As seems to always be the case with Trump, you can’t let trigger issues set you off and complain, until the dust settles and you see how it turns out."

https://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/news-briefs-08072019/

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 07, 2019 4:12 PM  

justaguy wrote:

Trump is looking at reelection and can't be tagged with doing nothing on these mass shooting. If it becomes politics on not getting passed, that is okay. A hard right guy that would pass here at this blog would lose in a landslide.


No. The lines are drawn, and folks pretty much know what side they're on. Nothing is going to significantly change that. Trump has no way to gain votes: the Left has invested in Orange Man Bad to the point that they could never vote for him, even if he gave them everything and a pony. The only way Trump could lose votes would be to do a solid for the other side, like actually deliver for them on amnesty or gun control. He hasn't, much, yet.

As things stand today, 2020 is Trump's to lose. That doesn't mean he can't lose. Do nothing on the mass shootings? Won't hurt him a bit: the folks who want to ``do something'' weren't going to vote for him anyway. Do something stupid? That will cost him votes, and maybe the election.

The only good news is that Trump has a pretty good record so far. He hasn't done much stupid.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 07, 2019 5:36 PM  

@14
"This is what happens when you have a political class made up of 'tards."

Don't worry scro'! There are plenty of 'tards out there living really kick ass lives. My first wife was 'tarded. She's a pilot now.

Blogger Randy August 07, 2019 6:50 PM  

So let me get this straight. Someone is accused of being mentally unstable and potentially violent.
The police arrive at their house, and best case confiscate firearms. Worst case kill dogs and generally force them to 'respect their authority'
Guns are just tools, and other tools of mayhem are available - see OKC or Nice, France.

Doesn't that take a potentially dangerous individual, give him some extra motivation, and force them to get creative with tools? Pool chemicals, anyone?

Blogger wahr01 August 07, 2019 7:53 PM  

At least Trump knows how to play by Democrat rules.

This is the first time I've actually seen anyone nominally GOP exploit a national tragedy to deliver for his base:

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1159217258083823616

Blogger James Dixon August 07, 2019 8:56 PM  

> What does he think he will accomplish by that?

Seriously? Reach out to the independent voters who can still be reached. The Republican base by itself can't get him re-elected.

> Trump is looking at reelection and can't be tagged with doing nothing on these mass shooting.

Actually, he can. But I doubt he realizes that.

> By linking his support of red flag laws to border control/immigration reform on his terms he placates the masses but gives the Dems a poison pill they will not swallow.

OK, that's a move I didn't see coming. I'll have to do some reading, obviously. I missed that one completely.

> There's a good documentary about Ghost Guns by national geographic that shows a bunch of poor phillipino farmers hammering 1911's together with melted down scrap and coke cans. Not to mention you can create ammunition just by a trip to the hardware store.

Saving the best for last: https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/07/17/the-liberator12k-a-diy-3d-printed-12-gauge-revolving-shotgun/

Blogger NRx August 07, 2019 11:09 PM  

Trump isn't stupid enough to go along with this.

Blogger DonReynolds August 08, 2019 1:47 AM  

What no one seems to be mentioning is the fact that only 17 of the more radical Blue States have the Red Flag Law. Now Donald Trump and the Republicans are proposing to make the Red Flag Law into a new FEDERAL LAW, which would suddenly apply to the 33 states that would probably never get the Red Flag Law approved by their own state legislature....mostly Red States.

Which states? The only former Confederate state that has a Red Flag law is Florida. There are no states south of the Ohio River that have Red Flag laws. The only states south of the Mason-Dixon line that have Red Flag laws are Maryland and Delaware. None of the heavily German states around the Great Lakes have Red Flag laws, nor does the German Ohio or German Pennsylvania.
The only states west of the Mississippi River that have Red Flag laws are on the West Coast (except Alaska) and include those states recently invaded by California Refugees.......Colorado and Nevada.

This is actually how the Mexican Republic destroyed itself in the 1830s, by-passing and abolishing the state legislatures in the Mexican states and creating a central government. THAT is exactly why Texas declared their independence from Mexico. Other states did as well, but they were not able to resist the Mexican Army successfully. (The Texas rebels were just very lucky at San Jacinto.)

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 09, 2019 10:35 AM  

NRx wrote:Trump isn't stupid enough to go along with this.

A lot of people, like Linda Graham, are pretty sure he is stupid enough this time. Graham was quoted saying that he really thought Trump was going to go for gun control this time. Graham is a fool, and a liar, and a Leftist, but he's GOP, so too many gun owners are going to think less of Trump because of this.

The good news is that Trump probably isn't stupid enough to take stupid action.

*) The Left sees Trump dangling their fondest desires in front of them for Pelosi to cruelly snatch away.
*) The Alt-Right sees Trump making offers the Left cannot accept, forcing Pelosi to demoralize her own base.
*) The normies see Trump as just another squishy pol, waffling on gun control, probably going to sell us out like every other squishy pol always has.

That last is the bad news. This clever N-D chess has a down side.

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