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Thursday, August 15, 2019

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The West belatedly discovers that animal conservation is imperialism as far as the Africans are concerned:
The highly sensitive issue is whether the continent should be free to look after and even sell its own wildlife in the way it wishes, or be forced to bow to Western conservationists, rich celebrities and royals who say elephants must remain in the lands where they are born and be protected.

Next week, the sale of wild elephants such as the five-year-old, and the even more contentious trade in their tusks, will top the agenda in Switzerland at the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES).

This is the organisation that sets worldwide rules on the sale of wild animals and their products. And impoverished Zimbabwe, which UN officials said last week was ‘marching towards starvation’, will be anxious to hear what CITES says.

In the past few years, Zimbabwe has made £2.2 million from the sale of 97 elephants — including the baby female pinned down in the crate — to zoos, parks and other tourist attractions in China and Dubai in the United Arab Emirates.

And more deals are in the pipeline because Zimbabwe has announced it will sell the creatures ‘to anyone’. No wonder Fulton Mangwanya, the director of Zimbabwe’s Parks and Wildlife Management Authority, said of the elephant sales: ‘We are fighting tooth and nail so that we are allowed to trade in our wildlife. The main contentious issue is the elephants, which we feel we are not allowed to fully benefit from.’
What, did they think that the Magic Dirt operates at a distance or something?

86 comments:

  1. "What's yours is everybody's, mzungu, but what's ours stays ours!"

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  2. Creating a market for live animals does tend to ensure more live animals. It's a big win for their conservation.

    Proggies will of course fight it tooth and nail from haughty moral grounds of superiority and "ought!"

    But their preferences lead to extinctions, always. Death and extinction, to whatever they touch so warmly.

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  3. Africa is one giant crackhouse with the inhabitants frantically looking for anything they can sell to get money for their next fix.

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  4. Africa will be completely devoid of wild animals within 50 years. So sad.

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  5. Creating a market for live animals does tend to ensure more live animals.

    In places with responsible people with some interest in the future. In sub-Saharan Africa, they'll strip the continent bare then blame the buyers for "making" them destroy their own faunal patrimony. Harambe's crackhouse analogy is trenchant.

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  6. @4. Africa will also be completely devoid of Africans. Either because they've all traipsed their way to Europe or starved when aid agencies no longer have the money or will to feed them.

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  7. A while ago we had a really nice and fairly big white dog of a race similar to Owen's George. Walking the dog in a local park we met some African asylum seekers. Eyeing our dog with appreciation they said: "Very nice dog. In our country we eat them." There was also an epidemic of ducks disappearing overnight from the pond in the same park.

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  8. Farming threatened species sounds like a good way to bring them off the endangered list and also feed people.

    Crazy that most people can't understand, or don't believe, that there are simple village people who only get to eat well when an elephant gets sold or game hunted. To not understand this suggests to me that our people are so rich in resources and freedoms that unfortunately they've become stupid beyond belief.

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  9. Environmentalism was always about coercion for the sake of coercion using "saving the planet" as a virtuous sounding excuse.

    I still remember the "save the rainforest" campaign against paper grocery bags. The retail sector bowed to public pressure and replaced the bags with celophane to save the precious trees.

    Fast forward to 2015 or so and all a sudden it's "F the trees, we're going to ban the free plastic ones, MANDATE paper,and force the poor to pay a tax for them"

    It was always about the dopamine rush of bullying people and nothing else.

    Now they have the "muh historic racism" card and they're about to throw one of the world's largest mammals under the extinction bus so they can bully "racists".

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    1. So true, its the satisfaction sociopaths get when getting people to do things just to do things then get them to undo it. Cool Hand Luke type of shit the used to do in prisons to break the inmates spirits. Now we are the inmates.

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  10. bodenlose Schweinerei wrote:Creating a market for live animals does tend to ensure more live animals.

    In places with responsible people with some interest in the future. In sub-Saharan Africa, they'll strip the continent bare then blame the buyers for "making" them destroy their own faunal patrimony. Harambe's crackhouse analogy is trenchant.


    While I agree, I should add that the british loved nothing more than to walk around with big hunting rifles, shooting anything that moves with impunity.

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    1. Ah... the good ol' days. Bit odd how the fuzzies that drive out the Queen are soon starvin'. I say this as an Ameeican who see's once great cities, and not so great, like the one I live in, descend into a shithole of writhing POC.

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  11. @Gregory the Great

    Ducks are delicious.

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  12. @14 Only when you have eaten the last European duck and the last European dog you will understand that you cannot live on crack alone.

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    1. Fentanyl is an essential part of a balanced diet.

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  13. Harambe wrote:
    While I agree, I should add that the british loved nothing more than to walk around with big hunting rifles, shooting anything that moves with impunity.


    I'm just here pointing out that "Harambe" is definitely the expert on this subject.

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  14. Some think the Europeans should leave Africa alone to sort their own shit out by themselves. On the theory that they will only learn if obliged to bear the consequences of their choices without rich daddy white man relieving them of said consequences.

    This sounds reasonable to those who would themselves benefit from such policy applied to them (ie intelligent but feckless Europeans) but the problem is that Africa was basically left alone for several thousands of years and just got worse.

    So the Christian nations of the west should implement a simple policy of only doing business with or through the Christian nations of Africa. Start with Botswana and expand Christian influence from there.

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  15. I'm amazed there's a UN body that makes rules for this sort of ting, and even more amazed anyone listens to it.

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  16. Harambe wrote:Africa is one giant crackhouse with the inhabitants frantically looking for anything they can sell to get money for their next fix.

    Bingo. They cant' create anything, just strip their environment of anything of value. Your metaphor is spot on.

    The only hope for the animals of Africa is that the western aid (of all types; medicine, food, etc. ) stops soon and the human population crashes before they can kill all the animals.

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  17. @18

    The only way the aid can be cut off is with the backing of the military forces necessary to blockade the exit points, otherwise everyone will become a "refugee"

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  18. Suggestion: Create a large protected zone for African animals by military force, crowdfund a wall around it, wait till the humans in the rest of the continent have eaten each other, open the gates of the protected zone and let the animals repopulate the continent as they see fit. "You can say that I'm a dreamer, but I am not the only one".

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  19. I for one would love to see the return of war elephants.

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  20. Watch them feed "their" continent into the 80 IQ poverty grinder and then come for ours....white man's burden..

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  21. Suggestion for Southern California:
    - Build a wall around it.
    - Repeal the 2nd amendment for this zone and take away all guns.
    - Bring in 10.000 predators from Africa.
    - Stock up on non-GMO popcorn.

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  22. I think it was Montesquieu who first put the sociopolitical state of nations down to climate. In Africa it is just too hot, so people cannot work, so somebody please feed them.

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    1. I live in Texas, that's just pure bullshit.

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  23. "Creating a market for live animals does tend to ensure more live animals. It's a big win for their conservation."

    In places that care about conservation in the first place. Zimbabwe isn't one of those places. They'll sell the very last animal to someone who intends to kill it for the ivory.

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  24. The elephants ought to apply for asylum as refugees.

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  25. Earlier this week my youngest kids were watching some conservation-themed show about this group of people going into the depths of darkest Africa to rescue lions or tigers or some shit...

    My children couldn't help but notice that every last person in the group of a dozen or so "conservationists" were whites.

    "Don't blacks care?!"

    No, they don't really. Look at them here...

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  26. "Crazy that most people can't understand, or don't believe, that there are simple village people who only get to eat well when an elephant gets sold or game hunted."

    No one fails to understand that. It's not about eating well now. It's about eating at all in the future. This sort of trade-off only ensures that the African maniacal behavior will continue for a bit longer, resulting in the inevitable starvation having that many more mouths.

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    1. Zimbabwe does a good job of wildlife management, actually.

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  27. You’ll be able to 3D print all the elephants you want in a few years.

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  28. @24

    You've never walked a patrol while wearing a kevlar vest (basically blocks all airflow, and hence, cooling, of your upper body) with 30 pounds of kevlar SAPI plates, while wearing a helmet with no air circulation, and dressed from neck to toe in tight-fitting uniform with long sleeves and long pants and boots.

    If men can do that, in the hot AND HUMID parts of the deserts of Iraq, then they can most certainly work while wearing light clothing in the non-desert portions of Africa.

    Note that the problems we see in Africa are generally NOT in the desert nations (such as Egypt, Libya, etc. Those have functioning civilizations -- in such a harsh climate, civilization is NECESSARY for each individual's survival). No -- where you see the complete lack of civilization is where cooperation with neighbors, and between towns, and at a regional level is NOT necessary ... either (as in the U.S., due to $50k+ per welfare recipient, or in Africa, and Central America, because, literally, the environment just produces food at an astonishing rate).

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  29. Conquer them and save the elephants.
    I can't believe Africans still exist, to be honest.

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  30. The Eating Of Their Own just continues. Environmental racism? Yes, it’s been whinged about before, this is merely another facet. Telling people what they can and cannot do with their resources is nothing new, of course. My quarterly tax bill is proof enough. It’s rayciss to tell Africans how to live, but not at all when it comes to saving just one elephant?

    Pull all aid from Africa now.

    Or, since we’re All Africans Anyway, simply assert our rights over our lost Homeland Continent. Europeans had dark skin, jus like effricans, that’s what we’re told to believe, so why not just go home? ;->

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    1. If you start in the south and work your way up, you automatically get all the Boers as allies, fwiw.

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  31. Wakanda has war rhinos, so why not war elephants?

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  32. @36 first take away the guns from Wakanda's humans.

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  33. "If men can do that, in the hot AND HUMID parts of the deserts of Iraq, then they can most certainly work while wearing light clothing in the non-desert portions of Africa.
    "


    Captain sarcasm is saying that that's impossiburu.

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  34. The Chinese are colonizing Africa.
    Give it a few years. They'll get the idea that some part of an elephant makes their dicks bigger, and then that will be the end of elephant.

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  35. In the future will anyone care about White Liberals and their causes?

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  36. The Rhodesian Light Infantry might have some input on that.

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  37. @17 The int'l orgs create these rules for wealthy gov't to adopt in laws and treaties. The poorer countries get bribed to pay lol service. Then the bureaucrats and dilletantes can pay themselves in the back before jetting to the next climate conference on someone else's dime. That's one way the leftist virus spreads from country to country.

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  38. "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."
    To "have dominion" (or to "rule" as it says in later translations) obviously does not mean to kill everything. This is part of the devil's war against Christianity.

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  39. Zimbabwe ruins, you were a wonder of the world.

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  40. And impoverished Zimbabwe, which UN officials said last week was ‘marching towards starvation’

    That's what happens when you drive the white farmers out, as South Africa is soon to discover. I will consistently and loudly oppose any food aid to either of these countries. They will get exactly what they deserve.

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  41. Didn't I read about an effort to move some wild rhinos to somewhere in Australia's Outback, as a failsafe to prevent their extinction?

    Not to worry...Boobus americanus all believe that extinction can be reversed by InGen's scientists...which will happen right after AAP (Affirmative Action People) colonize Mars.

    Our lives are now so trivial (on the surface) that few people can tell Reality from Fiction. [Of course, Reality is always there, and deadly-serious people exist behind this facade of sitcoms, Go Grrrls and trannies marching under a rainbow flag...but they're happy to exist behind the scrim on the stage, murdering and raping and (above all) robbing with impunity.]

    The Prince of This World is wicked, but wickedest of all is that Prince's sense of humor, watching us make complete fools of ourselves.

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  42. Zaklog, you wrote: "They will get exactly what they deserve".
    Yes, lots of food aid in the form of the lower part of the food pyramid (carbohydrates) to make them obese so they die from diabetes.

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  43. Before Africa starves, can we send all members of the LGBT movement over as aid workers?

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  44. @4 "Africa will be completely devoid of wild animals"

    It is still possible of find a copy of the 1966 movie "Africa Adio" -- apparently the full one, instead of just the edited version. I've seen the full on one betamax! It used to be nearly impossible to get the full video. Apparently now, Amazon has it; describes it this way:

    What the camera sees it films pitilessly, without sympathy, without taking sides, it begins. This film only says farewell to the old Africa and gives the world a picture of its agony. As colonialism collapsed in 1960s Africa, Gualtiero Jacopetti and Franco Prosperi rushed to the Dark Continent to record the horrifying battle for control that followed. Here was a world now ruled by rebels and refugees, plunderers and poachers, mercenaries and murderers, a land suddenly aflame with brutality, racism and unspeakable slaughter. At the risk of their own lives, the filmmakers cameras captured it all. The result is a daring and disturbing work that ranks among the greatest achievements in documentary cinema, an experience that remains as shocking and shockingly relevant as it was 40 years ago. This is AFRICA BLOOD AND GUTS!Despite thunderous acclaim, worldwide controversy drove this masterpiece from American theaters shortly after its premiere. Some years later, U.S. distributors would remove over 45 minutes of political content and re-release it, a move that Prosperi and Jacopetti both disowned and despised. Blue Underground is proud to present this original 128-minute version of AFRICA BLOOD AND GUTS (aka AFRICA ADDIO), now fully restored for the first time.


    Australia has been trying to organize some "white flight." They've been working towards netting and flying to Oz the last few white rhinos. They seem to be too late?
    The last male northern white rhino has died; As of March 2018, there are only two rhinos of the northern white rhino left, both of which are female.

    https://theaustralianrhinoproject.org/index.php/news/blogs/11-news-and-blogs/231-australian-rhino-project-moving-rhinoceros-from-africa-to-protect-against-poaching
    The first of up to 80 rhinoceros are on track to come to Australia this year...
    More than 5,000 rhino have been killed for their horns since 2010, with a record 1,400 killed last year and 1,200 in 2014.
    ... The first six white rhino are set to go into two months of quarantine in Johannesburg in May.
    ... the horn can fetch up to $500,000 in Vietnam and China, ...


    Last bit o' trivia before I slink away to a sentence in spergey-jail: a group of rhinos is called a crash of rhinos.

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  45. @5 "In sub-Saharan Africa, they'll strip the continent bare then blame the buyers for "making" them destroy their own faunal patrimony.

    In sub-Saharan Africa, they'll strip the continent bare then blame the buyers for "making" them destroy their own faunal patrimony, and demand REPARATIONS!

    FIFY.

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  46. @17 I'm amazed there's a UN body that makes rules for this sort of ting, and even more amazed anyone listens to it.

    I'm just wondering what the angle is that gets them access to children to sexually abuse.

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  47. @39 "a few years. They'll get the idea that some part of an elephant makes their dicks bigger,"

    A few years?

    Thutmoses III is recorded as having slaughtered at least 120 elephants solely for their tusks. 1921 article Vol 4 of Journal of the American Oriental Society: "The Elephant and Its Ivory in Ancient China"


    Apr 17, 2019 - Beijing (AsiaNews/Agencies) – China has seized 7.5 tonnes of ivory - 2,748 elephant tusks - in one of the biggest busts in recent years.

    So, 1,300-some elephants? From a spate of new reports after China finally made ivory trade illegal.

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  48. If Zimbabwe had any sense they'd be begging the Whites to come back and establish White rule again.

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  49. @52 B-b-b-but, it's supposed to be CHINA ascendant for the foreseeable future, no?

    We know (know!) from Firefly that the proles of the future speak Mandarin, even though the Alliance is uniformly Anglo-Saxon.

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  50. The conservationist need to realize that selling live elephants is probably the one thing that will guarantee that elephants are actually conserved.

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  51. God Emperor Memes wrote:Africa will be completely devoid of wild animals within 50 years. So sad.

    Devoid of wild animals? In 50 years there will still be a few starving Africans there, so not entirely. There will always be a few too sick, stupid and lazy to walk to Europe fo' da gibs.

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  52. @ 49 Africa Addio is a merciless look at the changing Africa, with some great photography...Hard to find, non-PC...

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  53. "I'm just wondering what the angle is that gets them access to children to sexually abuse."

    You obviously haven't seen how much they push children (or 'youth' as they like to say) to get involved in this sort of thing. The UN likes to train them young.

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  54. When preached to about buying dolphin friendly Tuna, I always wonder where I can get Tuna friendly dolphin

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  55. Not to worry, after a short while adaptation and random mutation will see to it that there evolves new wildlife in Africa.

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  56. God Emperor Memes wrote:Africa will be completely devoid of wild animals within 50 years. So sad.

    Nope. The big African die off will start when the foreign aid runs out due to the Big Reset. Africans have to feed themselves, and since they will have killed off the Afrikaans by then, I expect the population will revert backi to pre-colonization levels.

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  57. Maybe if the Rhodesians hadn't killed their whole productive class they wouldn't be in the process of starving to death.

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  59. Farming threatened species sounds like a good way to bring them off the endangered list and also feed people.

    Crazy that most people can't understand, or don't believe, that there are simple village people who only get to eat well when an elephant gets sold or game hunted. To not understand this suggests to me that our people are so rich in resources and freedoms that unfortunately they've become stupid beyond belief.


    This is only true in cultures that practice animal husbandry.

    The Bison and American horses were extinct before white man got involved.

    These people don't breed their animals for food. They hunt them. And their animals are not as prolific as they are (the elephant takes longer to gestate than a human does).

    Animal husbandry is why we don't run out of cows, chickens, pigs, and sheep. Ethical hunting practices is why we constantly have deer to hunt (don't shoot a doe in spring).

    Conservation and responsible use of our animals is a culture trait that not all cultures possess.

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  60. The population of Africa has been stable for thousands of years, until the White men came in and started "helping" them. Now their population increased by 20 fold and they can't support themselves. We need to remove ourselves and let their population find its new point of equilibrium, without the white man intervention.

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  61. Before Africa starves, can we send all members of the LGBT movement over as aid workers?

    "You've run out of diseases you can catch here. We're sending you to Africa"?

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  62. CM wrote:Conservation and responsible use of our animals is a culture trait that not all cultures possess.

    Yes it does look uniquely western culture and not even all of them who care about preserving animals. IQ or social stability can't be it either because China, decently smart and stable, is hunting to death all sorts of rare animals like freshwater dolphins to feed their penis enlargement fetish.

    Just mass export US minorities and completely clear out California and then Noah's Ark as many African animals there as you can with the freed up Welfare budget.

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  63. Doktor Jeep wrote:They'll get the idea that some part of an elephant makes their dicks bigger, and then that will be the end of elephant.

    As someone who worked in Shenzhen and lives in San Francisco, I can attest that there is no endangered animal on Earth that can NOT give a chinese man a boner.

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  64. Prediction: Zimbabwe (and most African countries like it) will be wastelands within 20 years. Wildlife mainly gone, agriculture nonexistent, and the much lesser population scrabbling a living from what remains.

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  65. widlast washere wrote:

    Prediction: Zimbabwe (and most African countries like it) will be wastelands within 20 years. Wildlife mainly gone, agriculture nonexistent, and the much lesser population scrabbling a living from what remains.

    If the Chinese are truly smart, that's what they'd allow to happen over time as the stupid cucks in the west pay to slow down the inevitable reversion to the mean. Once the continent is basically a de-populated wasteland they can colonize in a big way and face zero opposition.

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  66. Much of environmentalism is a hoax but habit loss is a grave threat to any species. Anything that mankind farms or domesticates is altered by man for our own benefit and many of the traits that made the species resilient in the wild are either muted or lost entirely. We would be wise to ensure that we are preserving the gifts that God has given us.

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  67. Jack Amok wrote:"You've run out of diseases you can catch here. We're sending you to Africa"?

    Thank you, Ebola-chan!

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  68. There are also all of those lion "farms" in S'Africa as well as tiger 'farms" in China itself.

    Now if you believe in protecting wildlife, are you really sure you want to see the end of Western civilization?

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  69. I'm sure they'll start to care about wildlife if we let them into the US and mainland Europe to soak up all that delicious magic dirt.

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  70. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned it, but trophy hunting is BIG money for many sub-Saharan nations. That's why they are so ticked.

    Africa is dirt-poor. To them, wildlife is something that eats your crops, undeveloped land is something to be bulldozed and put to the plow. Unless they can sell the hunting rights. THEN the wildlife and the land it occupies has a cash value.

    Which is substantial. Go after lion, and you're paying $15K or more just for the license...and they won't sell a license unless you book a 3-4 week safari. Figure on $75K or so. It provides work and meat for the locals, fees for the government.

    And when Leftist "do-gooders" make trouble for this business, the victims are quite rightly pissed off.

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  71. Why sell African animals to China? Wait a few years, and China will own Africa and everything in it. Then the 'new Africans' will be selling the two-legged natives in addition to doing whatever they want with the wildlife.

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  72. Well we are repeatedly told its the Chinese time to rule. I am out, not my problem. Let them hack the horns off the rhino and every other animal resembling a penis, for their erection pills and potions.
    Conservation seems to be a white man thing, no one else gives a crap.

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  73. To have functioning civil governments you first need functioning civil societies. Tribal societies build nothing and can never stand on the world stage. Compare the European continent to the African continent. Greek/Christian societies that built Western civilization... the best the world has ever had although it is now crumbling. Africa in the same time period has built basically nothing. No enduring science, philosophy, music, art, architecture, no recognition of inalienable rights, etc. Zip. Most countries exposed to Western Civilization improve in some way, but not Africa. Truly sad. The Europeans left everything and the locals destroyed it through neglect, ignorance and corruption. The continuing dark saga for the dark continent.

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  74. @75

    Jack Amok wrote:
    >> "You've run out of diseases you can catch here. We're sending you to Africa"?


    > Thank you, Ebola-chan!

    Gays will NEVER accept Ebola.
    1) It's just not fashionable.
    2) It kills too quickly for bug parties.

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  75. @68 Max Boivin

    "We need to remove ourselves and let their population find its new point of equilibrium, without the white man intervention"

    I'm expecting the poorly designed intervention of Gates et al., to be the catalyst for a new equilibrium. Another case of do-gooders doing more harm than good.

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  76. Dirk Manly wrote:Gays will NEVER accept Ebola.

    1) It's just not fashionable.

    2) It kills too quickly for bug parties.


    Thank you, Ebola-chan!

    AIDS was the gentle warning, Ebola among us is a consequence of ignoring it. What a pity it won't be confined among the perverts.

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