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Monday, September 16, 2019

As if they don't

It was really rather stupid of the US government to imagine that public claims China was spying on consumers through their devices weren't going to rebound hard on the US tech giants:
China has accused Apple of monitoring its users through spyware on its phones and computers.

The Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs said today that the world should be wary about the US tech company because it had assisted Washington to spy on ordinary users as well as country leaders 'for as long as 10 years'.

Beijing's spokesperson made the allegation after the United States claimed Chinese company Huawei could be collecting intelligence for Beijing and urged its allies to block the firm from their 5G networks. Hua Chunying, a spokesperson from the Ministry, also accused American IT provider Cisco of secretly collecting information from its users through the firm's devices. Hua said: 'As early as 2014, Apple acknowledged in a statement to have extracted personal data including short messages, contact lists, pictures from its users' mobile phones through a "back door" in its system.'

She added: 'According to leaked information by project PRISM, American people barely have any personal privacy in data including their phone calls, communications, documents and voice recordings in front of US intelligence. In additional, leaders from 35 countries - including some of America's most intimate allies - have had their phone calls monitored. Some of them have been monitored for as long as 10 years.'
Just wait until they start going after Facebook and Google. I really fail to see how "you don't want to let them spy on you, you should let US keep spying on you" is likely to be a successful sales pitch.

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52 Comments:

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 16, 2019 4:38 PM  

Now I can get behind this content. Does China realize they are handing Trump a loaded weapon?

Blogger Ska_Boss September 16, 2019 4:48 PM  

Straight out of Rules For Radicals, accuse your opponent of what you yourself are guilty of.

Blogger Rattlesnake_Kid September 16, 2019 4:50 PM  

Choose your Big Brother: Asian Communists or Synagogue of Satan.

What a time to be alive.

Blogger Nikolai Collushnikov September 16, 2019 4:54 PM  

Projectionists accusing Projectionists of projection.
Is it turtles all the way down?

Blogger Noah B. September 16, 2019 4:58 PM  

Just wait until China realizes that the Mormons have stolen their ancestors' spirits.

Blogger Crew September 16, 2019 5:02 PM  

Whoa, it is getting ugly now that the Learned Elders of Wye have been spurned.

Blogger [Redacted] September 16, 2019 5:10 PM  

Silicon Valley's yellow fever just got upgraded to yellow peril.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 September 16, 2019 5:10 PM  

Rattlesnake_Kid wrote:Choose your Big Brother: Asian Communists or Synagogue of Satan.

What a time to be alive.


I'd rather just choose neither.

Once the Boomers are fully out of power, that increasingly becomes a viable option.

Blogger OneWingedShark September 16, 2019 5:14 PM  

Ska_Boss wrote:Straight out of Rules For Radicals, accuse your opponent of what you yourself are guilty of.
In this case it's more like two mafia-families accusing the other of extortion.

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:Now I can get behind this content. Does China realize they are handing Trump a loaded weapon?
The sad thing is that, so far, it looks like Trump has no intention of hitting big-tech hard. The most he's visibly done is (a) make some tweets, and (b) threaten anti-trust.

No, if he wanted to he could absolutely crush them — everything from RICO over their H1B-fraud to Seditious Conspiracy over their attempts to manipulate the elections to literal Treason… but all of that is predicated on being willing to see Justice done on any of those fronts even/despite any negative impact on the economy. / There are some things Trump could do via EO [legitimately, no-overreach] that would absolutely break them, but I think Trump would be even less inclined to see that than to see criminal law applied to them.

Blogger wahr01 September 16, 2019 5:18 PM  

@9

Antitrust investigations have been started from the state AG level.
It makes sense for them to be started there, as the election outcome is not set in stone and any antitrust at the federal level would be immediately halted in the event of a Democrat victory.
The state cases will march on, however.

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums September 16, 2019 5:21 PM  

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Blogger xevious2030 September 16, 2019 5:39 PM  

“Does China realize they are handing Trump a loaded weapon?”

They would recognize that weapon has been repeatedly put in the hand, and that hand has refused to be used. It has been no surprise US (loose terms) companies have been spying, and the point is hypocrisy. If people are content to have their personals stolen by one stranger, why the fuss because it is stolen by a different stranger? In the past, the answer would have been that the Washington DC stranger was not a stranger, but now it is not even of the Washington DC variety.

Blogger OneWingedShark September 16, 2019 5:45 PM  

wahr01 wrote:@9
Antitrust investigations have been started from the state AG level.

It makes sense for them to be started there, as the election outcome is not set in stone and any antitrust at the federal level would be immediately halted in the event of a Democrat victory.

The state cases will march on, however.

That's a fair point, but you miss my actual point: there are things that he could do to very quickly gain results, even before the election. Now, granted, most of these are outside of the realm of the Judiciary simply due to the fact that the Judiciary itself has selected-for/optimized "delay-delay-deny" tactics, rather than a speedy trial.

But, even in those that I illustrated, how would a new President unilaterally dismissing or pardoning the things like RICO/H1B & Sedition/election-meddling & Treason go over? Sure, it might be a legitimate use of the Executive's power… but that doesn't make it a Just use.

Blogger wahr01 September 16, 2019 5:54 PM  

@13

"how would a new President unilaterally dismissing or pardoning the things like RICO/H1B & Sedition/election-meddling & Treason go over"

About as well as public support for and egging on of brown-shirt rent-a-mobs did in 2018.
(expecting the slothful npc public to push back at all is foolish at best)

Blogger MidnightSun September 16, 2019 6:01 PM  

Makes you wonder just who is blackmailing who? I mean if they have every text, every conversation, every photo ever taken, than Epstein for example could've been being blackmailed by our very own intel/IT agencies to continue doing what he was doing and even encouraged to do so. Besides being a deviate, he didn't have a choice! And for every one Epstein there's 1000 John Q Citizens. What a mess.

Blogger David Ray Milton September 16, 2019 6:01 PM  

Libtards: “The free market gave us smart phones and technology and other stuff.”

And as those companies in the free-market are loyal to no one and no nation, they are currently being used to destroy you.

Blogger Watcher of the skies September 16, 2019 6:03 PM  

Spy vs. Spy?

Blogger Rattlesnake_Kid September 16, 2019 6:04 PM  

swiftfoxmark2 wrote:I'd rather just choose neither.

Once the Boomers are fully out of power, that increasingly becomes a viable option.


Many things can change once the Boomers are out, but don't fool yourself; being able to avoid rejecting the mark of the beast without consequence is not one of those.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 16, 2019 6:16 PM  

OneWingedShark wrote:There are some things Trump could do via EO [legitimately, no-overreach] that would absolutely break them, but I think Trump would be even less inclined to see that than to see criminal law applied to them.

The one thing Trump has been unwilling to do is upset apple carts. He has gone out of his way to avoid damaging the legitimacy of any power base, no matter how inimical to America or Trump.

Blogger Doktor Jeep September 16, 2019 6:19 PM  

I saw an old episode of the Rockford Files once where they addressed how corporations were storing a lot of data on just about everybody.

That was from 1973.

Blogger Gregory the Great September 16, 2019 6:24 PM  

Could it be that Huawei and Apple phone are being made by the same subcontractors in China using the same backdoor or surveillance software? If so please go on accusing each other. This piece of propaganda exchange might backfire on both Apple and Huawei. Or what would public opinion be of Hitler and Stalin if they stood there shouting: But your holocaust was worse.

Blogger Johnny Reb September 16, 2019 7:06 PM  

I wouldn't be surprised.

Blogger OneWingedShark September 16, 2019 7:08 PM  

wahr01 wrote:@13
"how would a new President unilaterally dismissing or pardoning the things like RICO/H1B & Sedition/election-meddling & Treason go over"

About as well as public support for and egging on of brown-shirt rent-a-mobs did in 2018.
(expecting the slothful npc public to push back at all is foolish at best)

Which is funny, because it didn't take a whole lot of civilian pushback at the Bundy Ranch to effect change; it's also foolish, on the part of the leaders/elites, to assume that just because the people of the US have been longsuffering that they will never be at a point where they will say 'Enough!'.

Ominous Cowherd wrote:OneWingedShark wrote:There are some things Trump could do via EO [legitimately, no-overreach] that would absolutely break them, but I think Trump would be even less inclined to see that than to see criminal law applied to them.
The one thing Trump has been unwilling to do is upset apple carts. He has gone out of his way to avoid damaging the legitimacy of any power base, no matter how inimical to America or Trump.

Which is irksome, because there's plenty of illegitimate power-bases in play, operating under a false/assumed legitimacy… and there's plenty of things that he could do that real Americans (R or D) would be in favor of, such as cracking down on Voter Fraud.

One thing that should be noted is that with Big Tech there is no power-base legitimacy to destroy: absolutely crushing them into dust does nothing to undermine any governmental legitimacy at any level. (Aside from allegedly being extensions to intelligence agencies.) Indeed, I would even go so far as to say that forcing big-tech to comply with the law would likely increase the Government's legitimacy.

Blogger Greg Hunt September 16, 2019 7:12 PM  

Back then, storing lots of data meant keeping your home address and phone number on file.

Blogger lowercaseb September 16, 2019 8:14 PM  

[Redacted] wrote:Silicon Valley's yellow fever just got upgraded to yellow peril.

A whole lotta divorces will be happening. That's the trouble with Asian/White couples in the Tech Industry. Both of them think the other is the trophy.

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 16, 2019 8:18 PM  

We need the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs to make a fuss about things like PRISM, because the media won't do it unless forced.

Blogger Jack (LJCSOGHMOMAS) September 16, 2019 8:27 PM  

Why won't China allow facebook and twitter on the mainland (they're accessible in Hong Kong)?

a) they don't want the Americans spying on them; they prefer to spy on their own people thank you very much
b) they prefer to police their own content and use their own version of PC (no Tibet, no Taiwan, no Tiannanmen) rather than play by globohomo's rules
c) they're economic nationalists who prefer to give that business to Chinese companies
d) they don't like color revolutions
e) all of the above

Blogger Brett baker September 16, 2019 8:50 PM  

What happens when it's discovered that H1-B Desi has sold info to the Chicoms?

Blogger VFM #7634 September 16, 2019 9:35 PM  

Let's you and him fight, eh?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 16, 2019 10:16 PM  

OneWingedShark wrote:One thing that should be noted is that with Big Tech there is no power-base legitimacy to destroy: absolutely crushing them into dust does nothing to undermine any governmental legitimacy at any level. (Aside from allegedly being extensions to intelligence agencies.) Indeed, I would even go so far as to say that forcing big-tech to comply with the law would likely increase the Government's legitimacy.

Big business is a power base too, and so far, Trump hasn't really peed in their cherios, let alone done easy, safe, popular things like prosecuting blatant H1B fraud.

Trump is all about making the powerful behave like patriotic Americans, and very unwilling to bring them crashing down if they are slow to get with the program. Whose power and legitimacy has he undermined, besides Ed McMahon's?

Blogger One Deplorable DT September 16, 2019 10:31 PM  

The level of spying and manipulation going on in tech makes one wish for a Carrington event.

Blogger wreckage September 16, 2019 10:31 PM  

Funny how it always turns out that there were potentially much bigger reasons to insist on ethical and moral actions in keeping with our traditions, than whatever momentary panic saw us herded into accepting their violation or abandonment.

Blogger Wazdakka September 16, 2019 11:08 PM  

i find it hard to believe that a national leader would be stupid enough to use a foreign made communications device and trust that you won't be spied on. Are they that stupid?

Blogger Cluttermonkey September 17, 2019 1:59 AM  

Yes.

Blogger Ray - SoCal September 17, 2019 3:23 AM  

Trump is redoing the entire global supply system, and it's going to help the US economy a lot. He is renegotiating the old trade regime that took advantage of the US. It's a work in progress.

Trump can only focus on so many areas at a time, and he is having to watch his back against supposed allies. I'm amazed he has gotten as much done as he has, with everything that has been thrown at him.

Per an article I read, supposedly, 5G with Quantum Encryption will obsolete much of the huge US Spying infrastructure, and that is part of the reason the US is so against it. China has made Quantum Encryption a priority, since the US currently has an advantage in Electronic Spying. The Chinese are more brazen with their spying, which includes economic targets, and seems to have clearer goals. The US seems to be more can we do it, but the analysis component seems to be lacking and asking the basic question of what are we trying to do. The US has a flood of data, that is hard to turn into useful information, with politicized analysis blinders that make it even less useful.

Blogger Jill in StL September 17, 2019 3:25 AM  

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Blogger Paul M September 17, 2019 4:58 AM  

The US says Huawei is spying. China says Apple is spying. I totally believe both of them. There's excellent reason to, and no reason not to.

China is officially communist. That means that the state owns all capital, all productive resources. Every Chinese company is an organ of the Chinese government. It's not a sneaky underhanded thing (like it is in the west), it's brazen and right in your face, and anyone who doesn't believe it is being wilfully ignorant. There isn't even a conflict of interest: Huawei does not owe its customers privacy, or anything else.

Blogger Ingot9455 September 17, 2019 5:09 AM  

OT: Mother in hospital being kept alive until family arrives. All prayers accepted.

Blogger Monotonous Languor September 17, 2019 5:34 AM  

Aren't China's accusations, including any real actions against such companies, a good thing? Shouldn't US tech giants in their current form be attacked whenever, wherever, and however possible? Otherwise, they will just continue to cruise along in their arrogance and perfidy against the rest of us.

Blogger Careless Whisper September 17, 2019 7:54 AM  

As Trump heads into his re-election campaign boasting primarily of his strong economy, it stands to reason he would be slow to push hard against a major US corporation. He gets past the re-election stage, he'd have a freer hand to move against them. Only then will we know if he legitimately is Boomercucking on tech.

Blogger Ken Prescott September 17, 2019 7:54 AM  

Apple isn't a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Defense Department, though.

Blogger Careless Whisper September 17, 2019 7:55 AM  

@Ingot Done. God be with you.

Blogger Ken Prescott September 17, 2019 7:57 AM  

"Per an article I read, supposedly, 5G with Quantum Encryption will obsolete much of the huge US Spying infrastructure, and that is part of the reason the US is so against it."

"Quantum" is this decade's "network-centric" or "transformational" in defense affairs...

Blogger MidnightSun September 17, 2019 8:52 AM  

@Ingot

Peace be with you and your mom.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 17, 2019 8:53 AM  

Ray - SoCal wrote:Per an article I read, supposedly, 5G with Quantum Encryption will obsolete much of the huge US Spying infrastructure, and that is part of the reason the US is so against it.

Quantum encryption, now with 100% more bogons!

China knows their encrypted comms are insecure. They stop using them, in favor of couriered one time pads and face-to-face, and claim to be using quantum encryption. The US wastes enormous effort trying to break the q.e., to no avail. Cheap and clever.

Quantum computing and quantum encryption are snake oil.

Monotonous Languor wrote:Aren't China's accusations, including any real actions against such companies, a good thing?

Yes, it's good that our enemies are fighting among themselves.

Blogger OneWingedShark September 17, 2019 9:23 AM  

Ingot9455 wrote:OT: Mother in hospital being kept alive until family arrives. All prayers accepted.
Prayed.

Ominous Cowherd wrote:OneWingedShark wrote:One thing that should be noted is that with Big Tech there is no power-base legitimacy to destroy: absolutely crushing them into dust does nothing to undermine any governmental legitimacy at any level. (Aside from allegedly being extensions to intelligence agencies.) Indeed, I would even go so far as to say that forcing big-tech to comply with the law would likely increase the Government's legitimacy.
Big business is a power base too, and so far, Trump hasn't really peed in their cherios, let alone done easy, safe, popular things like prosecuting blatant H1B fraud.

Sure, big business may be very influential and powerful BUT they act like the law simply doesn't apply to them; moreover, what legitimacy do they have to ruin?

I agree that dropping the hammer on H1B fraud would be easy, and good… which makes me wonder why he hasn't done it. It could be that big-business bought out the politicians and so own the government, or that big-tech is really the intelligence agencies with a corporate guise so that the people will be more accepting, or it could just be plain old conspiracy and corruption — functionally, the end result is the same.

I wonder if, perhaps due to his age, upbringing, and profession Trump essentially sees businesses (corporations) as America — if this is the case then whatever is good for business is good for America, and that might have been [more] true in Trump's childhood, but with these multi-national corporations who are headed by foreign people can it be said that they have any measure of loyalty to the US?

Trump is all about making the powerful behave like patriotic Americans, and very unwilling to bring them crashing down if they are slow to get with the program. Whose power and legitimacy has he undermined, besides Ed McMahon's?
You have a point.
I would much rather there were people in government willing to bring the powerful and influential crashing down should Justice require it… but far too much seems to be predicated on politics and money rather than righteousness.

One Deplorable DT wrote:The level of spying and manipulation going on in tech makes one wish for a Carrington event.
That would be absolutely horrible… yet I can't disagree.

wreckage wrote:Funny how it always turns out that there were potentially much bigger reasons to insist on ethical and moral actions in keeping with our traditions, than whatever momentary panic saw us herded into accepting their violation or abandonment.
I've come to the conclusion that most of the 'panic' is manipulated for just such ends. The mass-shooting -> push-for-confiscation -> public buys guns -> another mass-shooting cycle makes it pretty evident, though it is rather humorous that, at least on this point, the average American goes against their herding.

Careless Whisper wrote:As Trump heads into his re-election campaign boasting primarily of his strong economy, it stands to reason he would be slow to push hard against a major US corporation. He gets past the re-election stage, he'd have a freer hand to move against them. Only then will we know if he legitimately is Boomercucking on tech.
Indeed.
But I don't like it one bit, shades of Pelosi's "we have to pass it to find out what's in it."

Blogger xevious2030 September 17, 2019 10:14 AM  

Prayers, surely.

Blogger Ingot9455 September 17, 2019 12:45 PM  

OT: Thanks for the prayers everyone. She had passed before I could fly in, only conscious for a short time after the initial attack. Mostly sedated and so comparatively little pain.

Blogger Ray - SoCal September 17, 2019 2:07 PM  

My best wishes and prayers for your family dealing with your mothers passing in the best way possible.

Grieving is a process, and can take years to work through. Especially for unexpected passings. And the process after of being triggered by dealing with what was left behind, can be very stressful. Or if there was a family caregiver, the change can be very stressful and can cause ptsd. Unfortunately this may not be noticed to its too late.

Blogger Oswald September 17, 2019 2:59 PM  

Governments are evil at their core. That is why the constitution was set up the way it was so that competing interests (evils) would offset each other and hopefully the common man wouldn't lose to many of his freedoms.

So from the perspective of two evil governments, it is my opinion that they will come to an arrangement. This may be the arrangement: Whatever, information China gains from spying on American citizens will be turned over to the American Government to use against its citizens and whatever information America gains from spying on the Chinese people will be turned over to the Chinese Government so that the Chinese Government can use it to crush its people.

Blogger Unknown September 17, 2019 4:08 PM  

I don't know if I can buy the idea that Facebook and Google are anywhere near patriotic enough to be sharing their spy data with the US government.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 17, 2019 4:27 PM  

@35

" 5G with Quantum Encryption will obsolete much of the huge US Spying infrastructure,"

Bwahahahahahahah!

If it's not an algorithmically derived encryption, then how does the receiver know what the key is?

It's a one-time pad, being delivered by other means.

Quantum Encryption is a hoax.
JUst like "quantum entanglement allows faster-than-light communication."

It's the kind of idiocy that gets spouted by people who are deficient in both basic physics education AND logical thinking.

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