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Sunday, September 08, 2019

Literal treason

Who on Earth would trust these treacherous weasels with any sort of "negotiations" with the European Union?
Senior MPs opposing a no-deal Brexit sought assurances from the EU that their bid for a three-month delay would be granted, it has emerged.

European leaders were sounded out before MPs, including the “rebel alliance”, passed a bill, which is expected to receive royal assent on Monday, forcing Boris Johnson to ask for an extension. However, those involved said there were no guarantees in a process that was changing by the day.

It comes as the rebels, including former Tories who have been thrown out of the party, prepare for a legal battle in case the prime minister attempts to defy a law forcing him to ask for an extension on 19 October. The UK is due to leave the EU on 31 October, but the new law would envisage a Brexit extension until the end of January 2020.

The sounding of EU leaders over an extension has angered Tory Brexiters. The Conservative MP and former cabinet minister David Jones said: “Senior EU figures gave private assurances to British MPs, as a consequence of which they supported the surrender bill. This confirms the level of EU interference in our internal affairs and makes the need for Brexit all the more pressing.”
No wonder they're terrified of an election. It's becoming abundantly clear that the Fixed Term Parliament law was passed specifically in order to prevent the British people from being able to replace an openly anti-democratic parliament like the current one.

Notice how the various national legislatures across Europe have gone from being popular and democratically elected to openly election-avoidant and anti-democratic. This is another indication of the social mood trend having peaked and reversed. We are winning, whether you recognize it or not yet.

Apparently, their treason didn't do them much good, though.
France today said the EU will not agree a Brexit delay beyond October 31 amid claims Boris Johnson will defy the law and 'sabotage' an extension if he is unable to strike a deal with Brussels.
It's important to remember that a national leader with the people behind him doesn't have to follow the rules imposed by the bureaucracy. The so-called "law" is nothing but a mutually agreed-upon illusion, so once mutual agreement fails or the illusion evaporates, there is no more rule of law.

And the Prime Minister does appear to be playing for keeps. One can't defy convention and then affect surprise when others do the same in response.
John Bercow's role in blocking Brexit has sealed his fate as Commons Speaker, one of Boris Johnson's most senior Ministers revealed yesterday. Business Secretary Andrea Leadsom today confirms for the first time that the Conservative Party will defy convention and put up a candidate against him in the next Election.

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61 Comments:

Blogger Dave Dave September 08, 2019 5:50 AM  

Rogue MPs should be hanged. We can trust Boris to deliver the October 31 Brexit. The subsequent election will be a nightmare for the establishment. Corbyn will not gain. The remainer Tories will lose most of their seats. Nigel will rise once again, hopefully to form coalition.
A year should be enough to handle all the Brexit problems, so, at the risk of getting ahead of ourselves, Scottish independence 2020 is next on the list.

Blogger Gettimothy September 08, 2019 5:55 AM  

"The so-called "law" is nothing but a mutually agreed-upon illusion, so once mutual agreement fails or the illusion evaporates, there is no more rule of law."

Nor civility, nor Civic nationalism, nor judaizing, nor churchianity.

Illusions are evaporating everywhere

Blogger Dave Dave September 08, 2019 5:56 AM  

In my local paper, there was an article where some unnamed person suggested that Boris would be a Brexit martyr and face the legal consequences of passing No-Deal. It's all fluff. Boris will not face any serious legal trouble by delivering Brexit. These MPs trying to sabotage Brexit is more obviously treasonous than when Obama met with the Iranians after he was out of office.

Blogger Silent Draco September 08, 2019 6:11 AM  

Make the Tower a Prison Again.

Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira September 08, 2019 6:20 AM  

For Britain's sake I hope Boris has the balls to go through with it.

Blogger Brett baker September 08, 2019 6:21 AM  

Time to go full Cromwell on Parliament, Mr. Johnson!

Blogger Twisted Root September 08, 2019 6:37 AM  

Each twist and turn is a timely reminder that the battle is eternal, but the tides change and some satisfaction can be derived from watching flotsam being washed away.

Blogger sconzey September 08, 2019 6:40 AM  

The first clue that the fix was in ought to have been that the surrender bill had no provision for if the EU declined the request for an extension.

Blogger Lazarus September 08, 2019 6:48 AM  

Silent Draco wrote:Make the Tower a Prison Again.

Too anachronistic. I prefer Big Bear's solution to weasel problems. Trap them and then beat them to death with an axe. This would also tend to discourage weaseliness in others.

Blogger johndoe03526 September 08, 2019 6:58 AM  

So all Boris has to do is run out the clock until Oct 31, then Brexit automatically happens? Am I wrong?

Blogger Solon September 08, 2019 7:09 AM  

There are reports that several of the "rebel alliance" are pushing to have Boris arrested, presumably for treason.

I know that SJWs always project, but holy cow, the sheer chutzpah of wanting to arrest your PM for following the democratically chosen policy as a traitor is breathtaking.

I mean, really, at this point, Johnson needs to arrest THEM for treason. They've already declared their position as against the will of the people of Britain, what's to stop him? They've declared themselves enemies, let's start treating them as such.

Blogger Kari Hall September 08, 2019 7:13 AM  

The comments here are uplifting, but why does it always feel like we are one step behind the left and fighting with one hand tied behind our backs?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 08, 2019 7:14 AM  

I've said for years I don't know how much longer that conservatism could save liberalism.

Blogger Solon September 08, 2019 7:15 AM  

The arrogance of a politician to tell people to "keep voting until you vote correctly" makes my blood boil.

Are most people idiots? Yes. Is it possible they will vote idiotically? Overwhelmingly so, just look at California.

But if you're going to set the rules as a "democracy," you don't get to change the rules whenever it doesn't turn out the way you want.

If you want to keep changing the rules, there's nothing stopping your opponent from disregarding them as well. If you can't play the game in good faith, then either remove yourself from the board, or you will BE removed.

Go long on rope and popcorn futures.

Blogger Silent Draco September 08, 2019 7:34 AM  

Lazarus fo Old Schhol. Procession to the block in the courtyard, an axeman, and proclamation of the end of arena traitor to the Crown. No need of shriving or forgiveness, since they believe only in themselves.

Think of the pomp and pageant. Think of the coin dropped for broadcast rights, T-shirts, and the book on all the side bets. The Crown can take 20% and fund things for quite a while.

Blogger VD September 08, 2019 7:38 AM  

The comments here are uplifting, but why does it always feel like we are one step behind the left and fighting with one hand tied behind our backs?

Because we spend so much of our resources and attention supporting gatekeepers and weasels.

Blogger wreckage September 08, 2019 7:44 AM  

Yeah generally, the first thing to do if you feel you're fighting with one hand behind your back, is to take that hand from behind your back and start using it.

People who don't know talk tactics, people who think they know talk strategy, people who really know talk logistics, so the old saying goes. Logistics is economics. Stop paying people to kick you in the balls. Start paying people who don't. The Right, outside of the political-financial complex, has a distinct advantage economically. USE IT.


Blogger tublecane September 08, 2019 7:44 AM  

They have grown brazenly open about despising democracy and popular government, our ruling elite. Which since at least the progressive era was always the case, but moreso now.

Then again, they plan to use democracy, or some form of it, to drown out and render moot those native to the country with immigrants. And they'll expand the vote to groups they predict would join their side: felons, kids, etc. So they are of two minds on the issue.

One explanation about their recent forthrightness, in addition to simply losing for a change, is that they're uncomfortable in world without a near-monopoly or duopoly on information and mass communication. Instead of trying subtler means of deception and intimidation, they're just doing the same as before but louder and dumber.

Blogger tublecane September 08, 2019 7:47 AM  

@12- We started out behind. Thank our feckless forebears for that.

Blogger wreckage September 08, 2019 7:48 AM  

By the way, I was shocked to hear a VERY agitated Andrew Klavan saying deplorables aren't the enemy, Trump isn't the enemy, rogue elites and the deep state are the enemy. Going to be interesting to see where he ends up.

Blogger Jonathon Davies September 08, 2019 7:49 AM  

I don't think that in UK common law you can force someone to perform an action. You can fine them/award damages if they fail to do something, for example if an author fails to write a book they are contracted for. However, you cannot force the author to write the book. I'm not sure how they can force Boris to ask for an extension, and certainly not force him to draft a letter and dictate the contents. They are threatening to jail Boris, but under what offence? There is nothing in criminal law he could be charged with, that I know of.

Mind you, when have the Remainers ever cared about the law?

Blogger wreckage September 08, 2019 7:51 AM  

@18; I think they're sensing a change of mood, and starting to think that maybe their appeal to popularity as the incontrovertible moral absolute might have been a bad idea. "NOBODY believes THAT anymore!" can be as easily appended to any of their pet causes as it was to the traditional mores of our society.

Blogger VD September 08, 2019 7:54 AM  

By the way, I was shocked to hear a VERY agitated Andrew Klavan saying deplorables aren't the enemy, Trump isn't the enemy, rogue elites and the deep state are the enemy. Going to be interesting to see where he ends up.

He hasn't figured out yet that his buddies Ben Shapiro and Dennis Prager are the enemy. Hence the agitation.

Blogger tuberman September 08, 2019 8:21 AM  

"France today said the EU will not agree a Brexit delay beyond October 31 ..."

After the G7 Macron gave an interview, and there was a bottle of water sitting on the ground besides where he sat, to one side and slightly behind him.

"Watch the Water," was a Q post, since then bottles of water have been positioned by various leaders, in various positions. The position of the water in Macron's interview suggests surrender. Brexit and Iran: Something to consider.

Blogger Dave Dave September 08, 2019 8:30 AM  

@23. I think Klavan knows, but he doesn't want to admit his fault. It's difficult not to know what a slimy bastard Shapiro is, especially if you work with him.

Blogger tuberman September 08, 2019 8:40 AM  

There are all sorts of Economic Deals behind the curtains. Trump has promised Boris that the UK will be a broker for much of the EU's trade with the USA, as an Economic Reset happens. Not only will the UK have a special Deal with the USA for trade, they will also gain a piece of all EU's trade with the USA. This will create a huge come back for the UK economy if true.

Even now China's ability to prop up Germany's Economy is waning due to the extreme devaluation of China's currency. Is France bailing? Does Macron see the writing on the Wall for Germany, and will fail to hold Germany's Economic hands and go down with the German Economy? Should be interesting to watch.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 08, 2019 8:49 AM  

The Left IMO is comprised of 5%ers little groups promised that come the commie utopia that they will rule, now how hard would it be to divide them?

Blogger John Rockwell September 08, 2019 9:14 AM  

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Blogger Timmy3 September 08, 2019 9:17 AM  

Remarkable that Brexit is taking so long. Interesting that they can call new elections so easily. Their traitors is worse than ours. October 31st can’t happen soon enough.

Blogger John Rockwell September 08, 2019 9:17 AM  

Gettimothy wrote:"The so-called "law" is nothing but a mutually agreed-upon illusion, so once mutual agreement fails or the illusion evaporates, there is no more rule of law."

Nor civility, nor Civic nationalism, nor judaizing, nor churchianity.

Illusions are evaporating everywhere


There is one true Law. Divine Law. Which God has historically enforced on Nations that have sinned beyond redemption. Signified by the filling of the Cup of Wrath.

Amorites had 400 years to repent before they were wiped off the map and driven out of their land.

Plenty of extinct Nations and Empires due to Divine Judgment.

Blogger Leahn Novash September 08, 2019 9:48 AM  

@21 What do you mean? The Left, the traitors, the weasels (but I repeat myself), they LOVE the law. So much that they write most of it themselves. After all, isn't "community guidelines" the usual excuse to get people kicked out of their clubs? They only have a really hard time understanding that the law should also apply to themselves as well and are rather shocked to meet people that think so.

Blogger FUBARwest September 08, 2019 10:05 AM  

"Are most people idiots? Yes. Is it possible they will vote idiotically? Overwhelmingly so, just look at California."

The issue isn't idiots voting, it's the fact the people don't vote for what the globalists want. Even in the hellhole that is California the people there did not vote for gay marriage. It failed 3 different votes. It is the law of the land due to the judiciary not the people.

If it was up to the people the US would have it's big beautiful wall already. The people in power are going against the will of the people.

That is why democracy is dying. The will of the people is not being filled by democratic means so it will be filled some other way.

Blogger John Best. September 08, 2019 10:41 AM  

I am enjoying the Conservative chicken memes of Jeremy Corbyn. The pressure is building on Labour as they have been saying for ages they want a general election and now they don't want one. It must be demoralizing for them, to have a leader who wants a battle until he finds out his opponent is superior to him and will likely defeat him. Conservative party morale is rising daily.

Blogger Paul M September 08, 2019 10:47 AM  

Brett baker wrote:Time to go full Cromwell on Parliament, Mr. Johnson!
To the contrary! It's time to go full royallist.

Blogger DonReynolds September 08, 2019 10:47 AM  

The Great American, Will Rogers, said...
The American People are the only people in the world that are required to keep their leaders, four long years...no matter how badly they are doing their job.

I never thought highly of the Parliamentary system, but the main advantage seemed to be the ability to step in and remove a confused or ineffective government, should it be demanded by the public. Of course, the "public" may actually be a few churchmen and crusading newspapers, but at least the administration (and their bureaucracy) could not be assured of a minimum amount of time to run amok before the next scheduled election. By adopting fixed terms of office, the Parliamentary system of government actually becomes weaker and less responsive to events and abandons one of the Whig foundation stones, which is the superiority of legislative authority over the executive.

It is true in too many countries the Parliamentary system has proven unstable, with governments frequently being turned out and falling from favor. But I also admit, it is not the electorate who is unstable in these cases. The electorate keeps demanding good government and each gang of politicians keep refusing to deliver it, probably at the urging of the self-feeding and ideological bureaucracy.

When successive governments find themselves at odds with the electorate, perhaps it is time to rethink the system of government rather than replace or dilute the electorate through mass immigration by foreign citizens. Yes, we have the same problem in the USA.

Blogger Jack Amok September 08, 2019 11:21 AM  

There are reports that several of the "rebel alliance" are pushing to have Boris arrested, presumably for treason.

I know that SJWs always project, but holy cow, the sheer chutzpah of wanting to arrest your PM for following the democratically chosen policy as a traitor is breathtaking.


Oh, this is glorious. Just as the Dems keep ranting on about impeachment and assassination, it shows the naked power lust of the Left. Whatever lever is available, they will use.

Which is why we need to crush them and never, ever allow them voice in civil maters. They are not trustworthy and cannot be counted on to voluntarily abide by any agreements they make. They will cheat the first chance they get. And the next, and the one after that too.

Blogger tuberman September 08, 2019 11:28 AM  

Paul M wrote:Brett baker wrote:Time to go full Cromwell on Parliament, Mr. Johnson!

To the contrary! It's time to go full royallist.


Neither,as both are weak examples. Puritans have always been an early form of SJW arrogance, and the Windsors in particular are comped. I do think the Windsors may be under control of the populists recently, but until recently they've been under the control of pure evil, as are most modern Royals.

What is needed is more Populism, and more Nationalism in the UK.

Blogger justaguy September 08, 2019 11:47 AM  

There are so many possibilities that the Johnson government can follow. Parliament is about to become silent, and absent the EU publically bringing a deal forward what happens if Boris just sits on his hands for the next 60 days-- doesn't really open negotiations--only keeps promising he will start.

Blogger wahr01 September 08, 2019 11:51 AM  

If they want to enforce this, they will have to throw Boris out of office, which will result in an election, which is what he wanted in the first place.

The question is whether he has cattle to go with his hat.

Blogger wahr01 September 08, 2019 12:18 PM  

Solon wrote:

Are most people idiots? Yes. Is it possible they will vote idiotically? Overwhelmingly so, just look at California.


I'm going to chime in from within the accursed state to say: the "voters" had zero say in 2018.

Gas tax was so unpopular a state rep from LA was recalled and replaced with a republican.

After that, a repeal was put on the ballot and the tax has near 70% opposition on polls.

Come election day 2018, they declared Nutjob Newsom winner before polls closed and the gas tax repeal "fails" with 45% of the "vote".

A 40% polling deficit affirmed by a senator recalled from the heart of the liberal death star does not simply evaporate, so anyone who thinks there are free and fair elections in the golden state better get their head examined.

Blogger Vaughan Williams September 08, 2019 12:36 PM  

@37 the Puritans weren't an early form of SJW. They were believers in Jesus Christ and the Bible who were willing to risk their lives for the testimony of Christ. They carved out a country from a howling wilderness, that became America. England finally became effeminized around 1800 when it succeeded in driving out the last of the patriarchal Puritans.

A body has white blood cells as well as red blood cells. White blood cells attack invaders. If the white blood cells are suppressed, disease and infection spreads. The Puritans were the white blood cells responding to the corruption in England. They were driven out; the moral infection spread, and quite soon England is scheduled to disappear. The Puritans were no more SJW than Elijah and the other Old Testament prophets who preached repentance.

Blogger Avalanche September 08, 2019 12:43 PM  

A wise (and honest/honorable: there are a few) lawyer friend answered my "unauthorized" group email with this:


Someone in the extract you sent said: "The Left, the traitors, the weasels (but I repeat myself), they LOVE the law. .."

It is a very interesting fact that our enemies are nurtured by a myth by which they sincerely believe that they are "speaking truth to power."

They see themselves as heroic, lonely voices for the oppressed speaking out against the Power Structure.

This, of course, has always been a lie. It was an apparent lie when I was in high school and liberal teachers were telling us kids how heroic they were, how they were fighting the power structure, standing for change, advocating "new ideas" and so on when their saints Eleanor and Franklin Roosevelt, Margaret Mead and Ruth Benedict had already long been rotting in their graves and their ideas -- in addition to being silly on their face -- were anything but new.

System Liberals have perfected a new technique -- unknown as far as I can tell in human history before -- in which they dine out as "successful martyrs."

It would be akin to Nero or Torquemada claiming the crown of martyrdom for themselves or Henry the Eighth being hailed for defying the might of Sir (not Saint) Thomas More. I'm not being cute. That's exactly what they do.

It's a similar thing how the Left carries on about opposing the capitalists, the banks, the rich, etc. while Leftists do exactly what the Chamber of Commerce wants (like staying in the European Union and opposing Brexit) and are funded and coddled by the richest people on the planet like gazillionaire George Soros or -- in Atlanta -- by Anne Cox Chambers, the richest woman in America according to The Wall Street Journal, who owns "Atlanta's daily newspaper" The Atlanta Journal Constitution and many other media outlets.

These people simultaneously claim to oppose the Power Structure while they march in lockstep with the Power Structure and, as the guy in your post says, "LOVE the law."

It's an example of how retarded Southerners are in their political thinking that I hardly ever meet a Georgian who even faintly recognizes the name "Anne Cox Chambers" and who have lived their entire lives in the State without it ever entering their heads to figure out who owns the newspaper.

Believe me, Jews don't function like that.

That's why they have carved out a country for themselves in Israel (at our expense) and have acquired another country for themselves right here in the USA while we have been rendered "homeless."

Blogger Leahn Novash September 08, 2019 1:02 PM  

@42 They oppose the "nominal" power structure (even if they have to create one themselves e.g. 'patriarchy') while marching in lockstep with the real one. I believe Americans call that "gas-lighting".

Blogger Iron Spartan September 08, 2019 1:55 PM  

wahr01 wrote:Solon wrote:

Are most people idiots? Yes. Is it possible they will vote idiotically? Overwhelmingly so, just look at California.



I'm going to chime in from within the accursed state to say: the "voters" had zero say in 2018.

Gas tax was so unpopular a state rep from LA was recalled and replaced with a republican.

After that, a repeal was put on the ballot and the tax has near 70% opposition on polls.

Come election day 2018, they declared Nutjob Newsom winner before polls closed and the gas tax repeal "fails" with 45% of the "vote".

A 40% polling deficit affirmed by a senator recalled from the heart of the liberal death star does not simply evaporate, so anyone who thinks there are free and fair elections in the golden state better get their head examined.


You seem to be confusing "citizens" with "voters."

The voters are doing exactly as they have been instructed, and since so many of them are undocumented, how can you prove that the vote has been tampered with? And that particular piece of corruption can be dropped on the citizens of CA that made the current hell possible.

Blogger Doktor Jeep September 08, 2019 3:31 PM  

You see how little the law matters when a system become "Talmudic". Then it's all about interpretations, finding the right judges, and finding that one paragraph in the 1000 page books that might have a shadow of a potential interpretation in favor of your argument.

Would have been easier for the British to resort to violence.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( honkeys are not human so it's okay to hate them, WhiteManBad ) September 08, 2019 3:33 PM  

3. Dave Dave September 08, 2019 5:56 AM
These MPs trying to sabotage Brexit is more obviously treasonous than when Obama met with ...



met with Medvedev, the sitting Russian president, and told him to convey to Putin that he would have more freedom of action after the elections.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( honkeys are not human so it's okay to hate them, WhiteManBad ) September 08, 2019 4:06 PM  

23. VD September 08, 2019 7:54 AM
He hasn't figured out yet that his buddies Ben Shapiro and Dennis Prager are the enemy.



alternative hypothesis:
Klavan, being more intelligent than Shapiru, has noticed a lot of Normiefag BoomerCons going rouge towards the real Right and is desperately virtue signalling in an attempt to get back in front of the crowd.

isn't Klavan the Converso who denied the necessity of Jews accepting Christ?

Blogger tuberman September 08, 2019 4:30 PM  

@41 Vaughan

These are not the type of people I personally would want to emulate.

Yet I've always been skeptical of fanatics, so I have a Populist bent.

I believe the English people digging up Cromwell's rotted corpse and hanging it was a Populist response to a period fanatical over reach. Of course to you they were just all Gay Fops. Ha!

I don't think people should be a fool for the invaders and the cucks, but Old Testament Righteousness is not my first choice, as I find it fanatical. I read "True Believers" by Eric Hoffer the Dock Worker Philosopher at about the age of 12, and he suggested Puritans were Fanatics similar to Commies and National Socialists, and in exactly the same way.

AD Innes, 1912 "A History of the British Nation"

"But Puritanism in the seventeenth century, when it searched the Scriptures, turned to the Old Testament rather than the New. It believed very emphatically in prophets, and its prophet par excellence was Calvin. Its primary dogma was that of Predestination, a grim creed which tends to make its adherents absolutely fearless of what man can do to them, but, while it fills them with the fear of God, does not greatly tend to inspire them with a love of His creatures."

Further: "Yet the Puritan may claim infallibility for himself, having assurance of the direct guidance of the Spirit. It follows, then, that any one who thinks differently from himself is not under the guidance of the Spirit, and therefore has no claim to toleration. Hence Puritanism could also display a supreme intolerance, rendered additionally offensive by its egotism."

So, the Puritans made a deal with Barbary Pirates to sell the Quakers into slavery. Well,"You shall know them by their deeds," stands out here. Quakers were a schism off of Puritanism, doubtful whether the Puritan Hate for them was Righteous.

Blogger weka September 08, 2019 4:46 PM  

You miss the point. Cromwell and Charles I prorogued parliament. This parliament needs to go.

The alternative is to do the MPs what Charles II did to the regicides.

Execution for treason. Pour encourager Les autres.

Blogger tuberman September 08, 2019 5:44 PM  

"You miss the point. Cromwell and Charles I prorogued parliament. This parliament needs to go."


I do agree with this. No problem. I should have looked into the full point, and the reference to parliament. My mistake.

@41 Was suggesting much more.

Blogger Hieroglyph September 08, 2019 6:03 PM  

I'm not advocating they be arrested and shot at dawn. I merely observe that soldiers in WW1 did get shot for treason and desertion.

They can move to Germany if they like it so much.

Blogger Vaughan Williams September 08, 2019 6:34 PM  

@48 Part 1 of 2...

these are not the type of people I personally would want to emulate. Yet I've always been skeptical of fanatics, so I have a Populist bent.

Have you ever questioned what sort of provocation would drive someone to fanaticism? How is a fanatic different from a zealot? What does the New Testament say about being zealous for Jesus and the Kingdom?

I believe the English people digging up Cromwell's rotted corpse and hanging it was a Populist response to a period fanatical over reach. Of course to you they were just all Gay Fops. Ha!

It was a royal response to a direct attack on royal prerogative. Not a populist response. The Puritans almost turned England into an American style republic, a hundred years before America succeeded at it.

As for the "gay fops" comment, I said effeminized. I was speaking of courtly love, the spirit of cuckoldry and castration that Catholicism inherited from the priests of Venus, Artemis, and Innana.

I don't think people should be a fool for the invaders and the cucks, but Old Testament Righteousness is not my first choice, as I find it fanatical.

Jesus had words to say about that. They are different from your words. Matthew 5:18 for instance. And Mathew 5:20.

I read "True Believers" by Eric Hoffer the Dock Worker Philosopher at about the age of 12, and he suggested Puritans were Fanatics similar to Commies and National Socialists, and in exactly the same way.

Eric Hoffer was a smart man, but he wasn't alive during the Puritan time, nor was he a heritage American. He was repeating what he'd been told. Anti-Puritan propaganda goes back a long ways.

AD Innes, 1912 "A History of the British Nation" "But Puritanism in the seventeenth century, when it searched the Scriptures, turned to the Old Testament rather than the New. It believed very emphatically in prophets, and its prophet par excellence was Calvin. Its primary dogma was that of Predestination, a grim creed which tends to make its adherents absolutely fearless of what man can do to them, but, while it fills them with the fear of God, does not greatly tend to inspire them with a love of His creatures."

Arthur Donald Innes was an Oxford graduate in a time and place where Puritans were already misrepresented and hated. It is no surprise he twists the truth about them. More likely he just repeated what "everyone knew" in his time.

It is true some Puritans were Calvinist, but many were not. He confuses Puritans with Presbyterians. There was some kinship between the two groups, but they were distinct. The Puritans were English, Presbyterianism is a distinctly Scottish movement. Calvinism wasn't a distinctive doctrine of the Puritans.

The Puritans didn't turn to the Old Testament instead of the New; they turned to the Old Testament together with, and in light of, the New.

Blogger Vaughan Williams September 08, 2019 6:34 PM  

@48 Part 2 of 2...
Further: "Yet the Puritan may claim infallibility for himself, having assurance of the direct guidance of the Spirit. It follows, then, that any one who thinks differently from himself is not under the guidance of the Spirit, and therefore has no claim to toleration. Hence Puritanism could also display a supreme intolerance, rendered additionally offensive by its egotism."

This could be said of devout members of any religious group, but it
flies in the face of the testimony of people who actually knew the
Puritans, that they focused on humility and piety, being peaceable and
hospitable, doing good works for the sake of the Kingdom.

So, the Puritans made a deal with Barbary Pirates to sell the Quakers into slavery. Well,"You shall know them by their deeds," stands out here. Quakers were a schism off of Puritanism, doubtful whether the Puritan Hate for them was Righteous.

The Puritans made no such deal. In extremis, they ordered two teenaged Quakers sold to Barbary Pirates, but the actual outcome was that they were left alone to work on their parents farm. This was a much milder and gentler punishment than merited, since the penalty for witchcraft is burning at the stake.

Quakerism was not some innocent Christian sect; they were (and are) a species of witchcraft dressed in Christian clothing. They blaspheme the Holy Spirit by placing their personal feelings over the words found in Scripture. When you are settling a howling wilderness, you can't have pacifists mucking things up. The Puritans wanted nothing to do with them, but they kept coming in and trying to subvert the very Faith that the Puritans had left England to defend. The Puritans escalated the punishments in a very moderate and measured way; the Quakers were the fanatics who wouldn't pay attention. They were hypocrites too; they benefited from the military service of others but wouldn't contribute to their own defence. Just read the autobiography of Benjamin Fraklin where he discusses some of the goings on in Pennsylvania and the colonies. Quakers were and are bad news.

It was Quakers who first destroyed American neighborhoods with their "block busting" practices. They had no care for the lives they destroyed in the process.

If you doubt that Quakerism is a species of witchcraft, I point you to what Eric S Raymond said on the matter. Eric Raymond founded and led many witch covens. He is on the record publicly saying that Faith is his enemy, with one exception: he finds himself in sympathy with the writings of the founder of the Quaker movement, George Fox. He noted a kindred spirit when he read them. Quakerism is the one type of Christianity he doesn't have bad feelings toward.

Blogger tuberman September 08, 2019 8:17 PM  

"Have you ever questioned what sort of provocation would drive someone to fanaticism? How is a fanatic different from a zealot?"

I see this all the time in the current SJWs, one can also see it in the Neocons, and in people like Benny, as they will all do anything for their religions.

You can suggest that much of history is false stories made up by anti-Puritans, and there is a lot of false history, so might be true.

I just see them as a people that would have fit right in with the commies of today, and would have excelled in the present hierarchies.

BTW, I do not think that well of Quakers either, but "witches," Hmmmm. I think Planned Parenthood people are witches, but they do obvious witch things.

Perhaps all the anti-Puritan propaganda has worked on me, as I see them as Self-Righteous, which is a sharp angle away from Righteous.

Do I see in the future this kind of zealotry that will go too far. Yes, there will be no stopping this when the pendulum swings fully back. That's just in the nature of history. Many of the people that are now Socialists and other weirdos will get Religion and be out front with the pitch forks and torches. Tis the way of things. And, yes, these former Socialists, but new religious zealots, will be accepted.

Fanatics love other fanatics most of all, as long as the converts are all in. So expect plenty of recruits when things fold.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 08, 2019 9:03 PM  

The Puritans almost turned England into an American style republic, a hundred years before America succeeded at it.

They did not, and had no intention whatsoever of doing so.
The were trying to create a Republic of The Elect, in which only those who demonstrated unmatched zeal for their inhuman and anti-Christian Judaizing doctrine would be allowed to vote. They did, in fact, overthrow one of the world's few functioning republics and imposed an absolute dictatorship, where Cromwell's word was law, was life and death.
Your defense of the indefensible Puritans is bad enough. Your patent and obvious dishonesty is far worse.

Blogger tuberman September 08, 2019 10:04 PM  

@55 SW

"The were trying to create a Republic of The Elect, in which only those who demonstrated unmatched zeal for their inhuman and anti-Christian Judaizing doctrine would be allowed to vote."


I was going to say something very similar about their Jew like "chosen ones" behavior, that they projected themselves as elect through their zealotry, but you know, he would just Deny, Deny, Deny like all of his ilk.

Blogger James Dixon September 08, 2019 10:21 PM  

> So all Boris has to do is run out the clock until Oct 31, then Brexit automatically happens?

If there is no extension, yes.
Don't trust the words of Macron. He said no extension last time too, and then there was one.

Blogger Troushers September 09, 2019 4:15 AM  

The great delay and difficulty of Brexit was caused by just how deeply the EU parasite had embedded itself in its UK political class host. I frown when people talk about UK reputational damage from the seeming incompetence - it suggests to me a lack of insight.

Like the US, we have become host to a political and bureaucratic class with little allegiance or liking for its host nation. They call themselves European first, and British second. Brexit threatened their comfortable career path into EU roles, or UK roles supported by EU money, their generous pension, and their vanity sinecures
as Important People discussing Important Things that You Wouldn't Understand. The only surprise is how brazen they have become. I think they are misreading polls, and I detect God's hand in the amazing confluence of unlikely circumstances that has still given us this chance to leave, completely. I wonder why a free UK and US is required for His coming battles.

Blogger Vaughan Williams September 09, 2019 5:09 AM  

@55 They did not, and had no intention whatsoever of doing so.

If they had no intention of doing so, then it is rather surprising that they
founded the USA shortly after.

The were trying to create a Republic of The Elect,

As Jesus instructed in the Great Comission, to make disciples. And also to "occupy until I come".

in which only those who demonstrated unmatched zeal for their inhuman and anti-Christian Judaizing doctrine would be allowed to vote.

Unmatched zeal ... allowed to vote. So only one person would be allowed to vote? Otherwise the voters zeal would indeed be matched by that of the other voters.

Inhuman? Was it not the Romans who accused the Christians of being "enemies of all humanity"? There is as much truth to your charge as that of the Romans.

anti-Christian? Because they read the Bible and tried to follow Christ's words to the best of their ability, even eschewing financial profit for the sake of the Kingdom?

Judaizing? Since Chrysostum in the time of Justinian, the "man of sin", the "mystery of iniquity" at work in the church has used the label Judaizer for those who take Christ at his word, and who show their Love for Him by their acts of obedience, charity, and piety. In the eyes of Orthodox and Catholics, all Protestants are Judaizers, so this label has no sting, anymore than being called an anti-Semite by the Anti Defamation League does. If you want to know if the Puritans were Judaizers, just ask the Jews if they accept Protestants (and Puritans specifically) as their brothers in Faith. Name one Puritan who encouraged people to become Jews. You won't find any. Puritanism was about a return to the Faith once delivered to the Saints, not about becoming a Jew. If they had, they would have set out to reclaim the land of Israel. Instead they came to America, settling it as their own Promised Land.

They did, in fact, overthrow one of the world's few functioning republics and imposed an absolute dictatorship,

All great republics have provisions for dictatorship on an as-needed basis, from Rome, through Venice, to America today. The Puritans saw an urgent need to impose a dictatorship, and as a result England was blessed for a long time by their acts of Faith.

where Cromwell's word was law, was life and death.

That is the nature of a dictatorship. Since Cromwell bound himself by God's Law, any objection to his rule is of necessity an objection to God's wise, just and good Law.

Your defense of the indefensible Puritans is bad enough.

That is a subjective and partisan statement on your part. They are condemned so widely, not because of the bad they did, but because their very goodness made so many feel ashamed and inadequate.

Your patent and obvious dishonesty is far worse.

If I am being dishonest, obviously or otherwise, do go ahead and point it out.
As for patents, I don't believe it is possible to patent dishonesty, nor do I know how it would differ from regular, everyday dishonesty. Please clarify.

Blogger Vaughan Williams September 09, 2019 5:19 AM  

@56
I was going to say something very similar about their Jew like "chosen ones" behavior, that they projected themselves as elect through their zealotry, but you know, he would just Deny, Deny, Deny like all of his ilk.

You must be doing some projecting of your own. Why would the elect try to hide their election by going against the admonishments and instructions of their beloved Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ? As Acts 15 points out, being Christian requires action. Zealous action, even.

Blogger linesy September 09, 2019 10:32 AM  

Depends on how much the Tories want to exist as a party. Boris has set them on a course now they had better prevail or the party will end up like the Lib Dems have been forever.

The Tory party always changes direction when politics does, it would be a surprise if their resolve is weak, especially now they have booted all the weak wets and traitors out of the door. Wild times. I am reasonably sure no MP has gone from Chancellor of the Exchequer to losing the whip in three weeks, that takes some doing and I am reasonably sure is without precedent

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