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Thursday, September 05, 2019

Some things never change

A Boomer booms about how rock and roll is dying with his generation and nothing will ever be that good or important again:
Jazz died off as a mass genre for two reasons. First, as Mark Gauvreau Judge wrote in his fun 2000 book, If It Ain’t Got That Swing, postwar economics and the rise of bebop as a counterforce in jazz greatly killed off the big bands of the 1930s and ‘40s, but the complexities of bop led many teenagers in the 1950s to seek out rock and roll as a simpler music style to dance along with. Capitol Records putting the full force of their PR team behind The Beatles when they arrived in America in early 1964 cemented rock and roll as the dominant musical genre for teenage whites, as Nat “King” Cole, who helped make Capitol a dominant force in America in the 1950s, discovered to his horror when he called their flagship Los Angeles office that year and the receptionist answered “Capitol Records – home of The Beatles!”

However, by the beginning of the 21st century, rock’s dominance was already on the wane when first Napster and then Apple’s iTunes radically altered how consumers access music. MTV, which gave rock a new lease on life after music industry fears in the early ‘80s that video games would replace their product as teens’ primary consumer spending good, was itself a spent force by the mid-to-late 1990s.

Hence, the nostalgia that many rock fans feel, with little or no new product that’s equal to the material produced during rock and roll’s heyday.
There is some truth concerning the way in which the atomization of culture is preventing the monocultural dominance by whatever the mainstream media corporations decided to push on teenagers. But the idea that there is little or no new music that is equal to that produced during what Boomers consider to be rock's heyday is patently absurd.

Today little Japanese girls wearing maid outfits not only rock harder, they play their instruments much better, than all the rockers of the 1960s and the vast majority of those of the 1970s. And there isn't a single guitarist of that generation who could ever shred as well as the average YouTube guitarist today.

Boomers like the author simply don't understand that the fact music isn't being played on the radio or on the evening television variety shows on ABC, CBS, and NBC doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

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Blogger Laramie Hirsch September 05, 2019 8:26 AM  

Okay, I'm ready to read everyone's favorite -but-little-known musical talents.

Also, I stopped collecting music years ago, and I never trusted I-Tunes. So what is the best way to have a music collection?

Blogger Mocheirge September 05, 2019 8:28 AM  

"the complexities of bop led many teenagers in the 1950s to seek out rock and roll as a simpler music style"

Those same teenagers, decades later, demanded "smooth jazz" because real jazz was too cerebral.

Blogger Silent Draco September 05, 2019 8:31 AM  

Fool. Whining about shiny toy pieces, while his culture decays faster.

#LearntoplayMozart

Blogger Stilicho September 05, 2019 8:32 AM  

Jazz sucks. It's not music, it is cacophony.

Blogger Hbogbinder September 05, 2019 8:33 AM  

Pete Townshend actually said himself: "There are 10-year-olds on YouTube who shred better than I ever could."

Blogger Sillon September 05, 2019 8:34 AM  

Actually decent music found a refuge in video games, many of them have much better music and production values than the "doing great kid" hogwash we're bombarded with on the media 24/7.

An example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJHsClcXEFk (Risk of Rain 2 OST)

Blogger maniacprovost September 05, 2019 8:35 AM  

It's nice to think that if I had time to scour the internet, I would discover a trove of new, great rock music. My perception is the decline in rock in the USA has accelerated since about 2010. However that may be partly a movement toward harder subgenres that are less accessible.

Blogger Andy Evick September 05, 2019 8:37 AM  

"Boomers like the author simply don't understand that the fact music isn't being played on the radio or on the evening television variety shows on ABC, CBS, and NBC doesn't mean that it doesn't exist."

True, and that's mainly because they have no idea how to access other avenues to music. Technologically illiterate. My father still watches evening newscasts and relies on local paper delivered to his door. He can barely operate a computer outside of accessing Facebook on his phone. Obsolete odesm of communication will continue to die off with that generation.

Blogger dienw September 05, 2019 8:37 AM  

Musical taste changes as generations wax and wane. Fearing the loss of Rock & Roll is part and parcel of the fear of dying.

The greatest terror I could imagine for a Rock & Roll fanatic is to live long enough to hear Heavy Metal being played as background music in an elevator -- that would be a real descent into Hell.

Blogger Andy Evick September 05, 2019 8:37 AM  

Modes of communication*
D'oh!

Blogger JG September 05, 2019 8:39 AM  

Like Sturgeon said quite optimistically, 90% of everything is crap. That said, there is an enormous amount of good music out there, you just have to dig, dig, dig to find it.

Blogger Hatman September 05, 2019 8:39 AM  

The problem isn't a lack of good instrumentalists it's the lack of good composers.

Good instrumentalists have always vastly outnumbered good composers.

Blogger Titanium Bear September 05, 2019 8:39 AM  

Boomer musical navel gazing and nostalgia is disgusting. Those little Band Maidens amazed me. Thanks

Blogger Richard Holmes September 05, 2019 8:41 AM  

I never understood why people insist that _____ (insert favorite music genre) is the absolute best and nothing with ever change that. Do they not know? [Especially Baby Boomers] Everyone have different tastes. I have taken a serious like lately for my parents and grandparents music. It's like discovering new music that has been around for a long time. As far as newer music.. I can't understand what they are singing... Too old I guess. I have watch people play guitar and other string instruments, VD is right, they are better these days..MUCH better. Can we bash boomers today?

Seriously, I don't understand this Superior complex boomers have. And I am a late boomer.

Blogger VD September 05, 2019 8:47 AM  

As far as newer music.. I can't understand what they are singing.

In fairness, they are singing in Japanese.

Blogger The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey September 05, 2019 8:50 AM  

I've never seen anybody give a brief history of rock 'n roll before who skips over the 1950s. What happened to Elvis, Jerry Lee & all the cats at Sun Records? Chuck Berry? etc?

Always with these guys nothing notable really happened before the Beatles, nor after.

Blogger MATT September 05, 2019 8:50 AM  

Soulpatch Boomers are the worst.

Blogger JG September 05, 2019 8:53 AM  

Laramie Hirsch wrote:Okay, I'm ready to read everyone's favorite -but-little-known musical talents.

Also, I stopped collecting music years ago, and I never trusted I-Tunes. So what is the best way to have a music collection?


No one uses DRM for music anymore, so buy it where ever you find it. Make sure to find a method to back it up permanently.

Blogger urthshu September 05, 2019 8:54 AM  

"So what is the best way to have a music collection?"

If you're an audiophile then you'll have your preference. If you just want to discover new music it's mostly down to location or social based apps like Soundtracker, ReverbNation, and Spotify.

Blogger Unknown September 05, 2019 8:56 AM  

Napster was so awesome. Not even the free music, but the intense butthurt it generated alone was the best part. Thank you Sean Parker.

Blogger ZhukovG September 05, 2019 8:58 AM  

I confess that I like some of the 60s music including The Beatles. However they are to music what McDonald's is to fine dining. Tasty, slickly packaged, but with little skill.

As an X'er my favorite music came out in the 80s and 90s. However, I can find music I like from current all the way back to the Baroque period.

Blogger berb2000 September 05, 2019 8:58 AM  

Also for some reason corporate Jewish people seem to love them some vulgar black rap. The more debauched, the better.

Blogger Dave Dave September 05, 2019 9:00 AM  

What an idiot thing to call any type of music dead. The internet has been monumental in the spread of music of every imaginable genre. Classical music has seen a huge resurgence after decades of being exclusive and elite. Now, anyone can make music and put it online. Rock bands are still going well. Metal is still popular and Babymetal has freshened up the genre this decade. Youtube guitarists are very talented and can gain recognition that they weren't able to before in the age of record label dominance. The only type of music that poses any challenge to create is orchestral classical music because not many people have the resources to put together a whole orchestra. Piano covers, quartets, solos etc are widely available. You can listen to something as obscure as an indie band with 2 saxophones and a drumkit to well known popular music like Queen and whatever "black person" is the current trend.

Blogger James Dixon September 05, 2019 9:02 AM  

> ...how rock and roll is dying with his generation

Rock isn't dying. It's been dead for over 20 years.

Sure, some bands are still performing at geriatric concerts, but that's it.

> So what is the best way to have a music collection?

New Music? Spotify, Pandora, etc. Older music? BitTorrent.

Blogger The Cooler September 05, 2019 9:03 AM  

Rock isn't dying. It's been dead for over 20 years.

Wrong-O-Rama.

Blogger Dave Dave September 05, 2019 9:07 AM  

@14. It's arrogance. The Babies (it's offensive to call them Boomers) are so self-centred that they think only their music could be considered good, and that any taste that deviates from it has somehow missed out on the cultural paradise that was the 70s. Sharing music nowadays is a fun way to socialise because most of your friends will listen to completely different genres. The Babies are stuck in the nostalgia of listening to their favourite music for the first time and never branch out into other genres, but we get to listen to new favourites for the first time all the time. Truly, we are blessed.

Blogger Wraithburn September 05, 2019 9:08 AM  

Nick Johnston's Remarkably Human album is excellent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYfe_JkVsDo

Blogger Nikolai Collushnikov September 05, 2019 9:12 AM  

Is the weekly top 40 even a thing anymore?

Blogger Big Hampshire September 05, 2019 9:15 AM  

Country Music is now rock. Guitars, drums, bass. Most new country artists don't even have fiddles in the band. Which means they can't play in Texas.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( racist, sexist, homophobic, bigoted honkies made Hindus stop burning their wives, WhiteManBad ) September 05, 2019 9:17 AM  

Driscoll is worse than a Boomer ... he's a Boomer Conservative.

that is, he pretends to be "conserving" traditional values, while advocating for the very systems which overthrew traditional society in the 1960s and 70s.

relevant Jazz, this was heard all over rock stations in the 70s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vltC-O7PDYQ

Blogger Seeingsights September 05, 2019 9:22 AM  

Ed Driscoll is arguably the most tiresome commentator on the Right.
During the 2016 Presidential campaign, his posts on Instapundit were so demoralizing that I wondered if he was a Dem operative.
He has a neo con foreign policy.
When he opines about pop culture, the only music he talks about is Rock and Roll. As if there are no other styles of music that are popular.
I have Interacted with Millenials , and they mention Depeche Mode more often than 60s rock and roll. In the past year, Depeche Mode was one of the top bands in terms of concert sales. But for Driscoll, pop music outside Rock and Roll is not worth opinibg about.

Blogger Dave Dave September 05, 2019 9:25 AM  

To illustrate the point about classical music being accessible, here are two men playing the 1812 Overture on melodicas:
https://youtu.be/S3L_jYY2KC8

It's well played, silly and keeps the spirit alive.

Blogger [Redacted] September 05, 2019 9:34 AM  

These are the same people who complained about having to buy the same album every few years in new media formats, and refused to age gracefully by letting things be in their own time. I suspect with each digital remaster of some song from their childhood, they thought that the tech to do the same to their bodies was just around the corner, and they would live forever.

Blogger Jab Burrwalky September 05, 2019 9:35 AM  

It also entirely likely that the boomer only thinks the things of his teenage years are the best there ever was because of Nostalgia. He associates it with the feeling of time of life that was most carefree and and everything was still new and exciting. I know a good chunk of gen X'ers that do the same thing.

That said, this boomer author is also utterly ignorant of how many millennials are huge fans of boomer-era music. But I'm sure he feels that NO ONE could EVER enjoy and appreciate the TALENT AND SKILL of the old rockers the way HIS GENERATION CAN! Because, gosh darn it, kids just don't know how to listen to music anymore. If you weren't at Woodstock, you don't know what music is. We went to the freakin MOON!

Blogger Opiter September 05, 2019 9:36 AM  

There has been a renaissance of early music going on for the past 25-30 years, with historically informed performances. I have discovered dozens of little known or forgotten composers whose works have been recorded for the first time ever. If it's good music, it'll keep.

Blogger HoosierHillbilly September 05, 2019 9:40 AM  

One spin on bandcamp and you can listen to all the desert rock coming out of Greece, tune in to hear some French dudes raining down some gloriously heavy riffing, and then check in on the post grunge scene in Ohio. Rock ain't dead old man...yer just on the outside again and cant fit in with the cool kids because you all HAVE to listen to the same dreck. Harder to fake it when the "charts" arent telling you how to be popular.

Blogger Talios Hammerfist September 05, 2019 9:41 AM  

Wow, Band-Maid is terrific. What a great find. Thanks, Vox!

Blogger Dave Dave September 05, 2019 9:42 AM  

@34. The irony of believing that nobody can match the TALENT and SKILL of their favourites is that The Beatles are some of the worst musicians to ever get popular. They were less talented than 12 year olds playing recorders.

Blogger Raker_T September 05, 2019 9:47 AM  

Rock music was very compelling, I was there when it was released. But now that I have an awareness of spiritual things, I know that it's social engineering in the worst way. What's strange is when Boomers call it their own. "Yes, I want to identify with loose morals, drug overdoses, Hell's Angels being hired as security, shacking up instead of marriage, Sharon Tate murders, people on LSD jumping off buildings, all the social upheaval." Right.

Blogger Ferdinand September 05, 2019 9:47 AM  

I always thought I was weird for not liking the music of my parents. Now I know that it is simply bad.

Blogger Hatman September 05, 2019 9:49 AM  

"The Beatles are some of the worst musicians to ever get popular."

There skill was as composers not instrumentalists.

Blogger Mystic On Main September 05, 2019 9:49 AM  

Stevie Ray Vaughn

Blogger Wraithburn September 05, 2019 9:51 AM  

[Redacted] wrote:I suspect with each digital remaster of some song from their childhood, they thought that the tech to do the same to their bodies was just around the corner, and they would live forever.

Somebody on social media was opining the next big investment opportunity was going to be life extension technologies. Such an apt way for the boomers to spend the last bits of their money.

Blogger Matrick September 05, 2019 9:52 AM  

When people say "rock is dead", what they really mean is, "there aren't any new rock bands that are played on TV which make me feel part of a shared experience". Because the music is out there. It doesn't matter to me whether it's all over the TV as I barely watch any TV.

Also, few bands feel genuinely new and groundbreaking. It's part of the atomisation, but I am grateful to the existence of online music (in my case, using YouTube) as there is no way I would have ever discovered so much music without it. This must be a common experience.

Blogger Unknown September 05, 2019 9:53 AM  

But at the very least, that lead guitar is hot. Just not for a Louisiana man.

Blogger NewTunesForOldLogos September 05, 2019 9:56 AM  

If rock bands weren’t chosen for their vocal talents, or their musical talents, they must have been chosen for some other reason. Like their willingness to take the ticket.

Blogger Jab Burrwalky September 05, 2019 9:57 AM  

@38. That's the funniest part of Boomer culture. They're just totally blind to how bad their favorite things actually were and see them through the rosiest of rose colored lenses.

Blogger Sillon September 05, 2019 10:02 AM  

@44 Matrick wrote:This must be a common experience.

Can't speak for others but in my case and my children it is.

Another overlooked genre that is great thanks to the internet is parodies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT4shwU4Yc4 (It's not a moon)

Blogger Uncle Maffoo September 05, 2019 10:02 AM  

How much of this has to do with the changing demographics of America? Brown and black people never cared much for rock.

Blogger Blastmaster September 05, 2019 10:03 AM  

4 kids from a small town in northern michigan are making great Led Zepplin style rock an roll. Check out Greta Van Fleet

Blogger Dave Dave September 05, 2019 10:04 AM  

@41. WE ALL LIVE IN A YELLOW SUBMARINE A YELLOW SUBMARINE A YELLOW SUBMARINE x27
I've seen better composers with 200 views on soundcloud. The Beatles' music is incredibly repetitive and boring. They're awful musicians. They're cultural subverters. They produced such shit that the fucking native Australians made more impressive composition using only sticks.

Blogger xevious2030 September 05, 2019 10:07 AM  

"the decline in rock in the USA has accelerated since about 2010"

Bon Jovi's Living on a Prayer, on MTV, was the death of MTV and Rock and Roll. Most everything else was just a lizards tail flopping around, in terms of the life of the era. Recognizable within 30 seconds of the first airing. The change of direction. Handel can kick some dirt in on it anyway.

Blogger Gastguma September 05, 2019 10:15 AM  

What's the difference between a boomer who loves the post-Beetles music (after 1963 or so) and one who hates it and likes only the pre-Beetles music of the 50's and early 60's? I know a few of the latter. They also despise the cultural and moral changes of the 60's and think the 50's were superior.

Blogger Daniel September 05, 2019 10:21 AM  

Ed Sullivan was a Communist Front. His blessing of Harry Belafonte is all you need to know about the false flag known as the "Hollywood Blacklist."

If it's Boomer, it's a lie.

Blogger Dave Dave September 05, 2019 10:22 AM  

@53. The difference is the year they were born.

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 05, 2019 10:25 AM  

There are small-time cover artists and parody bands that play the old music better than the originals. Granted, they don't have to create something entirely new, but neither did most of the famous bands back in the day. Most of them were corporate products, especially the ones who went through Laurel Canyon and all seemed to be the children of DoD-connected people for some reason, as Dave McGowan chronicled.

Rock Sugar makes mash-ups of two rock songs, some of which really breathe new life into stale material. 2Cellos is a couple of Croats who look like Joey from Friends impersonators who do cello covers that rock. Steve 'N' Seagulls is a Finnish band that plays bluegrass covers of rock and metal songs and you'd swear they're from Appalachia. Manchester Orchestra is an Atlanta band that's mostly too hipsterish for me, but check out the videos for "Virgin," which looks like a rant for the destruction of America, and "Simple Math," a lament for the passage of life that still gives me chills every time I listen to it. Andrew Paul Woodworth is a Portland-based singer/guitarist who's done some covers I like of songs I didn't like, plus he has some good original stuff that rocks like "Amnesia." And I've been listening to a few The HU songs since Vox linked them the other day.

There's also a ton of good post-Boomer music that we missed or forgot about because the radio keeps playing the same stuff over and over. A while back I remembered a band called Hinder that had a few hits around 2005. They've mostly been an opening act for bigger acts since then, but they put out a bunch of good stuff, and now it's all out there easy to get. You can find a lot of good music just asking yourself, "So, what else was on that album anyway?" Like the other day I heard "Copperhead Road" on the radio. Great song, but Steve Earle *did* make some other music, you know.

Blogger Martin September 05, 2019 10:27 AM  

I have had this argument with Boomers so many times, who insist that without the big record label contract, no one can "make it," and that is why "the Internet has killed rock and roll."

I point out that at no time has there been MORE talent, that is more accessible, with a world-wide fan base, than today, specifically because of the Internet. Furthermore, that musicians can bypass the gatekeepers, and build their own base. If they want to "make it" they can, and they don't need a record label fat cat telling them what kind of music they have to write. They just have to put in the effort, rather than letting someone else do it for them, and taking most of their profits in the process.

And it's not just rock. It's music of every kind, genres or innovative bands that would never have "made it" before because they didn't fit into the label's mold.

The market is already filling the gaps that once-upon-a-time required the labels to do promotion, concert tours, etc. You can contract your own tour manager and marketing team. Promotion is cheap. The internet is all you need, and when you already have a fan base, word of mouth puts butts in seats. Companies like PRG can provide packages with all the equipment, logistics, etc. for a tour. I have no doubt that soon enough you will be able to finance a tour on a cost + markup basis, based upon the strength and geographic distribution of your fan base.

But, no, the Boomers insist. "Those poor kids. They don't stand a chance."

Blogger urthshu September 05, 2019 10:29 AM  

" parody bands that play the old music better than the originals"

Me First and the Gimmee Gimmees were a guilty pleasure

Blogger Doktor Jeep September 05, 2019 10:30 AM  

One good thing that kids today have over GenX is the atomization of entertainment options. Back in my day, all we got was whatever some boomers decided for us. As for musicians looking to make their own? The equipment costs were horrendus but if you wanted to distribute well now you needed to buy studio time and get raped on the cost. I was a roadie and watched the entire process. Bands going broke just to create a master.
All that is gone now and the gatekeepers are powerless. I find rare and obscure stuff now that I like immensely but would never have known to exist under the old system.
Control of the music was one way they controoled us, but the controllers were more benign back then. They just wanted money. Imagine 1980s level control with the Convergence and SJWism we have now they would have had almost every male under 18 on HRT.

Blogger David Ray Milton September 05, 2019 10:32 AM  

The Beatles were horrific. No one even likes the Beatles. They just like the idea of liking the Beatles. They’re not just bad when comparing them to later music, they’re the ugly, midget, step-children when comparing them to their contemporaries of Zeppelin, the Stones, and The Who. And as much as I think Hendrix is over-rated, even he was far better than those homos. The Beatles only managed to produce two rock songs; one by the grace of Clapton and the other inspired Charles Manson. Yellow Submarine is objectively the most annoying song ever written, and thus could be called the Boomer Anthem.

Skynyrd is unsurpassed.

Blogger DannyDanger September 05, 2019 10:33 AM  

Of all the things one could pick to roast the boomers about, music should be low on the list. It's one of their highest generational achievements IMO.

I would personally take a Jerry Garcia or Robin Trower solo over one from these modern, finger-tapping, metal heads any day of the week.

Where I would roast the boomers with regards to music is how they collectively failed to recognize the best of their generation and instead put the Rolling Stone "Top 100" playlist on repeat for the last 50 years...

Blogger xevious2030 September 05, 2019 10:39 AM  

“he pretends to be ‘conserving’ traditional values, while advocating for the very systems which overthrew traditional society in the 1960s and 70s”

Too true. Way to true. A chink in the armor of the civNat for the young to see. Conserving institutions and trappings, while embracing the cultural poisons that undermined them.

Blogger ar10308 September 05, 2019 10:39 AM  

It shouldn't surprise us that Boomers cling to the authorization of the music in the mainstream radio and charts, the same way they cling to it for news and entertainment.

What is very interesting is how the various parts of European music are still reflected through their descendants various nations. The Irish love them various limericks and drinking songs in the form of Country and Bluegrass.
Germanics still produce heavy, strong music in the forms of Metal/Industrial. I'm pretty sure Beethoven and Wagner would have been big Metalheads if they were around today.

Blogger Mr Smith September 05, 2019 10:40 AM  

You like the Beatles?! You have to go back!

Blogger Steve Canyon September 05, 2019 10:45 AM  

Rock isn't dead. Boomer corporate rock is, and their sanctimonious attitude killed it.

Blogger The Cooler September 05, 2019 10:45 AM  

Retards,

Rock is not dead. Stop typing that.

Exhibit A: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iraraKH0_Tk

Exhibits B - Z available upon request.

Some of y'all need to get out the house.

Blogger Andy in San Diego and Elsewhere September 05, 2019 10:46 AM  

Holy fark, that bass player for Band-Maid can play.
As for new(ish)rock suggestions, I give you Monster Truck from Canada.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdeo-i6uw5g

Blogger Skwab September 05, 2019 10:49 AM  

And, just maybe, much of what Vox likes sounds like garbage to some people. Me F'instance. Babymetal seems like an odd obsession for an Italian, but whatever. I do really like The HU, and I listen to Santiano and Quichua Marka, but honestly much of the music I see mentioned here is just so much noise.
As far as music goes, this is my Favorite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VmxkpgiURA

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 05, 2019 10:55 AM  

No one even likes the Beatles. They just like the idea of liking the Beatles.

Yep. I heard "Hey Jude" on the radio the other day, and it just reminded me how rarely you hear the Beatles actually played. And when you do, it's always one of a small handful of songs. You'd think radio would be especially Boomer-dominated, since so many Millennials and younger only listen to music online, but no one's pushing the Beatles on the radio.

Blogger Tars Tarkas September 05, 2019 10:56 AM  

JG wrote:Like Sturgeon said quite optimistically, 90% of everything is crap. That said, there is an enormous amount of good music out there, you just have to dig, dig, dig to find it.

Where? I can never find anything decent. I have even started perusing old country music in an effort to find something worth listening to.

Blogger Longtime Lurker September 05, 2019 10:57 AM  

Rock n Roll vs. Time and Actuarial Tables.

Blogger The Lab Manager September 05, 2019 10:58 AM  

"Country Music is now rock. Guitars, drums, bass. Most new country artists don't even have fiddles in the band. Which means they can't play in Texas."

Haha!!! That may have gone over some people unless you listen to classic country. Most country music this last couple decades sucks. And what is with the stupid RAP aspect of some songs?

Blogger Stilicho September 05, 2019 11:01 AM  

"Somebody on social media was opining the next big investment opportunity was going to be life extension technologies. Such an apt way for the boomers to spend the last bits of their money."

Rather, it will be an excellent way for some enterprising individuals to con the Boomers out of the last of their money. Boomers, naturally will do everything they can to get everyone else to pay for it.

Blogger Slen September 05, 2019 11:03 AM  

"Everyone knows rock attained perfection in 1974. It’s a scientific fact."

-H. J. Simpson

Blogger Stickwick Stapers September 05, 2019 11:03 AM  

* some guy strums and noodles on a guitar *

"Amazing! One of the greatest guitarists of his generation!"

Maybe I don't understand the nuances of music all that well to get what makes a guitarist "great" when he doesn't sound great at all. Maybe you just had to be there.

I used to love hard rock, but haven't paid attention to it in about 20 years. I do know that metal just keeps getting better. Interestingly, nationalism seems to be a growing theme in metal. Finnish prog metal band, Amorphis, has been doing albums based on their national mythology for years. There's something about people who love their own nation that produces really good music. The musicianship on their albums just blows me away.

Blogger Tars Tarkas September 05, 2019 11:05 AM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:You'd think radio would be especially Boomer-dominated, since so many Millennials and younger only listen to music online, but no one's pushing the Beatles on the radio.

Radio has massively gone downhill. Many radio stations don't even have DJs anymore. But above all, the sound quality has nosedived. I think it's digital radio, which very few people have. They have subdivided the bandwidth into like 3 streams each. But the analogue FM sounds like highly compressed MP3.

Blogger Blunt Force September 05, 2019 11:07 AM  

FWIW, music was the Bolshevik bombing campaign that softened Western Civilization up for complete Africanization. The family was the beachhead. When it fell,civil society could only follow. Quiggley knew this '62. Make of it what you will.

Tragedy and Hope


Chapter 75 — The United States and the Middle-Class Crisis

From this has emerged an almost total breakdown of communication between teen-
agers and their parents' generation. Generally the adolescents do not tell their parents
their most acute problems; they do not appeal to parents or adults but to each other for
help in facing such problems (except where emotionally starved girls appeal to men
teachers); and, when any effort is made to talk across the gap between the generations,
words may pass but communication does not. Behind this protective barrier a new teen-
age culture has grown up. Its chief characteristic is rejection of parental values and of
middle-class culture. In many ways this new culture is like that of African tribes: its
tastes in music and the dance, its emphasis on sex play, its increasingly scanty clothing,
its emphasis on group solidarity, the high value it puts on interpersonal relations
(especially talking and social drinking), its almost total rejection of future preference and its constant efforts to free itself from the tyranny of time. Teen-age solidarity and
sociality and especially the solidarity of their groups and subgroups are amazingly
African in attitudes, as they gather nightly, or at least on weekends, to drink "cokes," talk interminably in the midst of throbbing music, preferably in semidarkness, with couples drifting off for sex play in the corners as a kind of social diversion, and a complete emancipation from time. Usually they have their own language, with vocabulary and
constructions so strange that parents find them almost incomprehensible. This
Africanization of American society is gradually spreading with the passing years to
higher age levels in our culture and is having profound and damaging effects on the
transfer of middle-class values to the rising generation. A myriad of symbolic acts, over
the last twenty years, have served to demonstrate the solidarity of teen culture and its
rejection of middle-class values. Many of these involve dress and "dating customs," both
major issues in the Adolescent-Parental Cold War.







Blogger modsquad September 05, 2019 11:08 AM  

Can they write like Townsend?

Blogger kurt9 September 05, 2019 11:09 AM  

Thankfully beetlemania is finally fading away. Do I dare say it? I always considered the Beetles to be way overrated. However, the culture influence of the British Invasion of 1964 cannot be overstated. It essentially wiped out all of the pre-1964 music within a 6 month period. The social decadence in the U.SW. started in 1964. That year was some sort of inflection point. Drugs started being used in that year.

Blogger Gregory the Great September 05, 2019 11:10 AM  

I think a lot of recent rock music suffers from the drummer having a metronome beat in his earplugs. It tends to make the whole thing more sterile.

Blogger tantonj September 05, 2019 11:10 AM  

I just torrent whole discographies of artists. But I listen to music differently than others. I memorize ever lyric to every song by any artist I pick up (which is rare). And when a new album comes out from an artist I listen to that album on repeat until it is memorized and then a little bit more.

If you like metal, I recommend Machinae Supremacy. Specifically Phantom Shadow is their best album. It's called SID Metal. But be warned, their lyrics can be very gamma. Though they shred pretty amazingly!

Blogger Duh-ave September 05, 2019 11:12 AM  

I know
its only Rock & Roll
but I like it.
There is a lot of junk in every style but the best of every style will be appreciated by someone just as classical is now.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 05, 2019 11:15 AM  

One reason for the rise of Rock and Roll was that it sounded slightly better than bebop on Monaural speakers over AM radio.

Bebop could only really be appreciated in person back then. Problem, by the 1950s it's market had a bunch of kids and they couldn't go out anymore.

The evil Phil Spector's Wall of Sound in particular played to the limits of it's technology. Listen to contemporary versions of that stuff with modern speakers and it sounds like the garbage it is.

Rock was killed by FM radio and the subwoofer.

Blogger Angantyr September 05, 2019 11:15 AM  

"As far as newer music.. I can't understand what they are singing."
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In fairness, they are singing in Japanese.

***

And, yet, are probably still easier to understand than Kurt Cobain... ("all apologies", but much as I absolutely LOVE grunge even I have to admit their songs are hard to follow even with the printed lyrics in front of you...)

Blogger Roman Daoist September 05, 2019 11:16 AM  

12 Hatman

The problem isn't a lack of good instrumentalists it's the lack of good composers.

Good instrumentalists have always vastly outnumbered good composers.


Bingo! Technical (reproductive) proficiency is not the same as creating something new that captures and holds peoples' attention - for decades.

Blogger justaguy September 05, 2019 11:17 AM  

Rock and Roll isn't dead. You can still see those great rockers, now looking like walking zombies, performing in tours... Visible evidence that Rock and Roll will live forever-- just look withered.

Blogger Honda Bear September 05, 2019 11:18 AM  

But but but but but Vox, they made great music.... with grit!

@84 Also Eddie Vedder

Blogger ar10308 September 05, 2019 11:24 AM  

The "problem" with the Beatles is that they objectively suck. And it has nothing to do with when it was written or produced. You can listen to music written hundreds of years ago and it still sounds great. The same goes with hymns and folk songs passed down through hymnals or over campfire or barstool sing along. They're great and pleasing to the ear.
The same cannot be said of the Beatles.

Blogger Roman Daoist September 05, 2019 11:24 AM  

It's a bummer that the first example you provide, Vox, is of a Japanese group. No-one in US, UK, Aus, Can, NZ, or from anywhere in continental Europe that you can give as an example of good current original music to us English speaking/ Euro folk? That you didn't is, and it's a bummer but true, affirming the ol' Boomerang's point.

And as for that Leo Moracchioli, he's awesome for sure but consider he's awesome at _covering_ stuff that is decades old... Not an argument! :)

Blogger Angantyr September 05, 2019 11:25 AM  

But but but but but Vox, they made great music.... with grit!

@84 Also Eddie Vedder

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*snork* forgot about Pearl Jam...

Blogger DeepThought September 05, 2019 11:27 AM  

The Hu's "Wolf Totem" is an excellent song. Frankly, every song I have purchased from them, remind me of what rock could be in the USA.

Rock is dead in US but not in the rest of the world.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 05, 2019 11:28 AM  

Driscoll's nostalgia is typical in it's Boomer arrogance.

Now I like 1980's music but I don't claim it was some vastly superior artform the likes of which the world will never see again.

I am aware that the primary reason I like it so much is that it reminds of a time when I didn't have as many miles on the odometer and closest thing I had to a crushing responsibility was mowing my folk's lawn.

I know perfectly well that Take On Me by Ah Ha is garbage and I know why it still makes me smile.

This is called being perfectly normal.

Only Boomers in their stunnlingly conceited narcissism could view the music they developed a taste for when they were fifteen as a thing of eternal beauty and grandeur surpassed only by the Taj Mahal.

Blogger ar10308 September 05, 2019 11:28 AM  

@88 Check out Son of Aurelius album "Under a Western Sun". Best technical prog metal I've ever heard.

https://youtu.be/CHJkkvRbvoY

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei September 05, 2019 11:30 AM  

If we're defining music by who composed it rather than who consumed it, I repeat: "boomer music" is prog rock, disco, and Zepp-style "hard" rock, bombastic, self-indulgent and self-absorbed almost to the point of self-parody, a perfect simulacrum of the generation which created it.

The Stones, the Who and the Beatles are all WWII kids, and they worshipped old blues musicians, so it's no surprise their musicianship was less than stellar. The Beatles' composing sucked too, either bubblegum tripe, hippy-dippy nonsense, or pseudo-Eastern philosophy for dope smokers who are too lazy to read. John Lennon, however, was certainly a boomer in spirit, if not by birth date. Even by the standards of Communist propaganda (spewed by an immensely wealth plutocrat), "Imagine"is vacuous garbage.

Blogger Garuna September 05, 2019 11:31 AM  

Good riddance. Boomer music is fucking TRASH. Modern music is way better. Even the mainstream stuff.

Blogger Garuna September 05, 2019 11:32 AM  

Even Taylor Swift is better than the Beatles. And this is even better than Taylor Swift.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxBTwMYkCBI

Blogger Nate September 05, 2019 11:35 AM  

there is a problem with the modern commercial music industry but it has nothing to do with boomers dying off. The issue is everything is to sterilized. Everything has been pro-tooled to death. There is no room for anything like humanity in the musical product. all the drum tracks for example are slotted to the 16th note. all the vocals are autotuned perfect.

imagine what Leadbelly would sound like if you did that to him.

No thanks.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 05, 2019 11:37 AM  

Roman Daoist wrote:It's a bummer that the first example you provide, Vox, is of a Japanese group. No-one in US, UK, Aus, Can, NZ, or from anywhere in continental Europe that you can give as an example of good current original music to us English speaking/ Euro folk?


Dude, there's plenty out there you just have to look for it.

Or monitor what your kids are listening to.

Credit where it's due, mine have better taste than I did.

The gatekeepers are DEAD and Streaming Killed the Videostar.

Blogger Warunicorn September 05, 2019 11:40 AM  

I love a wide range of music---Early and Renaissance, Baroque all the way up to now. Taking a cursory glance at Spotify's "Today's Top Hits" playlist tells me what all the brain-dead sheeple are listening to. It's both hilarious and sad but not unexpected.

My biggest pet peeve: What's with the remastering of songs? I was fine with the original song. OK, so the drums or bass don't "pop". Who cares? It's still a great song.

Blogger Noah B. September 05, 2019 11:41 AM  

Nate nails it. The pervasiveness of autotune and simplistic computer generated sound make pop music sound stale and formulaic.

Blogger P Glenrothes September 05, 2019 11:49 AM  

No group of musicians will ever be as universally popular as the Beatles were in their day. Not because their music was so fantastic, but because AM radio dominance put their music into hundreds of million listeners ears across the globe on a daily basis for years. Their music stood out from everything else at the time. It gave a billion people a common experience. Furthermore, the music we listen to while young has memories attached to it when we are older. I have no problem finding new talent playing great music, but few people I know will be familiar with any of it.

Blogger Steve Canyon September 05, 2019 11:49 AM  

Rap is cheaper to produce than rock.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 05, 2019 11:51 AM  

The Lab Manager wrote:Most country music this last couple decades sucks.
Country is where the acts that would have been called rock in the 1970s went, when the music industry decided to kill rock in the 1990s.

Blogger Gregory the Great September 05, 2019 11:51 AM  

https://youtu.be/Ndnidos5HRU
Surprisingly energetic from a Glamrock Boomer Band

Blogger Jack Amok September 05, 2019 11:52 AM  

As far as newer music.. I can't understand what they are singing.

In fairness, they are singing in Japanese.


Not to mention Mongolian.

Thirty years ago when I had my first "real" full time job, my Boomer boss dropped his coffee cup and had it shatter on the break room floor when I said the Beatles sucked.

Rock n Roll is dying? Eh, nah, it's just Boomers seeing their own mortality looming. When the cool twenty-somethings you idolized in Middle School are all either pushing eighty or pushing daisies, you know you aren't far behind.

Blogger VD September 05, 2019 11:53 AM  

No-one in US, UK, Aus, Can, NZ, or from anywhere in continental Europe that you can give as an example of good current original music to us English speaking/ Euro folk?

Just wait about five weeks.

Blogger Patrick Kelly September 05, 2019 11:55 AM  

Rock is not dead, not even sick. What is spoonfed by the corporate music oligarchies does not define the health of any genre.

Someone from every generation will walk into a local dive somewhere where old geezers are cranking up their guitars to 11 through Marshall stacks, drums and bass shaking the earth with thundering groove and peeling their skin off with tone like lightning lighting a fire in their lil' musical souls, and they will leave determined to learn how to do the same thing.

When that stops happening, yeah, maybe rock will be dead.

Until then:

NotDeadYet

Blogger xevious2030 September 05, 2019 11:55 AM  

"Nate nails it."

Yep. Came back from a float in the late 90's from the Med. turned on the radio, from country, to rock, to rap, sounded exactly the same. Different instruments and styles, but there was an underlying cookie cutter unity that made them variations of the same exact thing. A week or two later, was oblivious to it again.

Blogger Angantyr September 05, 2019 12:00 PM  

"Rap is cheaper to produce than rock."


And it shows...

Blogger Crew September 05, 2019 12:01 PM  

Boomers like the author simply don't understand that the fact music isn't being played on the radio or on the evening television variety shows on ABC, CBS, and NBC doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

Wait. You mean we shouldn't even bother with ABCCBSNBCCNN because they are giving a biased view of the world?

But, but, muh freedom of choice!

Blogger Nate September 05, 2019 12:06 PM  

"No-one in US, UK, Aus, Can, NZ, or from anywhere in continental Europe that you can give as an example of good current original music to us English speaking/ Euro folk?"

of course we can.

Sturgil Simpson. The Turnpike Troubadors. Whitey Morgan and the 78s. Reckless Kelly. Whiskey Myers. and of course Volbeat


Blogger Noah B. September 05, 2019 12:10 PM  

Compare the Billboard Top 100 from today and from 40 years ago.

https://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100
https://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100/1979-09-08

Only time will tell but I doubt there's a single song on today's top 100 that will stand the test of time the way that Journey and Charlie Daniels Band have.

Blogger Steve Canyon September 05, 2019 12:15 PM  

For country, Jesse Dayton and Whitey Morgan and the 78's are really good old time singers in an era when most country is really bad pop sung with a twang.

Blogger xevious2030 September 05, 2019 12:17 PM  

Cooler, it isn't that there is zero good rock being produced and played. In terms of a centralized pop list of acceptable musical pieces the masses readily consume in their snapshot culture as an "all there is" in the entire universe, of the Boomer-think mentality, it is necrotic. But yes, there is quite a bit of good rock and performance, even today.

Blogger The Cooler September 05, 2019 12:17 PM  

Dream Theater has a new disk out. Is kinda meh.

But this shit's a masterpiece: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGRgAULYgWE

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 05, 2019 12:22 PM  

WTF are you talking about? Journey didn't last a decade.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=1iAYhQsQhSY

Blogger Homesteader September 05, 2019 12:23 PM  

Musical Virtuosity? I give you a teenage French girl with idiot savant talent-

https://m.youtube.com/user/malabar777

Tyler Childers is good, country wise.And there are many others. (Nashville is not country, any more.)

Good music is still there, it's just not commercial.

Or, there are musicians, and there are entertainers.

Rarely do the two combine.

Blogger Gregory the Great September 05, 2019 12:24 PM  

@111 Nate: Volbeat are really good, didn't know them.

Blogger NRx September 05, 2019 12:26 PM  

Allow me to join the boomers/silent geners in lamenting how terrible popular music has become and waxing nostalgic for (what I think) was the best era of music, the 1950s and EARLY 1960s.

There is good music being played somewhere sure but you can't go to a dance hall and here it anymore generally... and that is something regretable.

I blame that faggot Kurt Cobain... grunge sucked and it was far worse for music then rap. If that asshole hadn't decided to kill himself at the height of his popularity his awful noise would have become unpopular and better music would have taken its place...

Blogger Roman Daoist September 05, 2019 12:26 PM  

While we're sharing... Aussie gen X gold... Not exactly relevant to the topic of good _current_ music but... I'm a rebel that wya...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhZWQ5_dcNY

Blogger Gregory the Great September 05, 2019 12:29 PM  

@117 Homesteader. I think this version of the Moonlight Sonata rocks even more (Live Drums!):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6psz_tJSEE

Blogger The Cooler September 05, 2019 12:33 PM  

grunge sucked and it was far worse for music then rap

You're high.

Blogger The Cooler September 05, 2019 12:38 PM  

Behold the suck: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWUZHVT-qQY

Blogger Pseudotsuga September 05, 2019 12:40 PM  

bodenlose Schweinerei wrote:
The Stones, the Who and the Beatles are all WWII kids, and they worshipped old blues musicians, so it's no surprise their musicianship was less than stellar. The Beatles' composing sucked too, either bubblegum tripe, hippy-dippy nonsense, or pseudo-Eastern philosophy for dope smokers who are too lazy to read. John Lennon, however, was certainly a boomer in spirit, if not by birth date. Even by the standards of Communist propaganda (spewed by an immensely wealth plutocrat), "Imagine"is vacuous garbage.


A few months back, I decided to listen to an online "radio" program which was nothing but the Beatles, every song on every album, in chronological order. There was a lot there which I had never heard before, which matches Bodenlose Schweinerei description above. For every familiar corporate-selected radio hit, there was ton of nearly un-listenable sonic experiments. It's as if the Beatles (especially in the late 60s) were playing a snide joke, just trying to see what they could get people to listen to.

Driscoll's original article reminds us how ephemeral most popular music is anyway, rarely lasting longer than the lifetimes of its creators. Or, at least as long as corporations can make money from selling nostalgia to aging audiences. I find it hard to believe that people would shell out hundreds of bucks to hear Mick Jagger, in his 70s, still complaining that he can't get no satisfaction....

Blogger Irredeemable Deplorable September 05, 2019 12:44 PM  

Slash of GNR fame is still rocking, (much better than GNR imho) under the radar, with many solo recordings, most with great singer Myles Kennedy, 2010 'Living The Dream' is a standout, featuring various singers, check out Lemmy from Motorhead rocking "Doctor,Doctor", and the 2012 "Apocalyptic Love", 2014 live album (also 2 1/2 hour live in Australia video on YouTube of this tour), 2016 and 2018 albums etc. Touring this year.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slash_discography

all are available on YouTUbe Music as .mp4 audio files. Heavy rotation at my house, played so loud my neighbors must be wondering wtf. If I was in a band, this is the music I would play.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 05, 2019 12:45 PM  

So if a Boomer vomits on you, you get swarmed. Every time.

Blogger Danjo September 05, 2019 12:45 PM  

The first boomer started crying in 1946, and they haven't stopped since. The deep programming/spell that their music is, has gripped them so completely, that they generally can't break free of it. Boomers define everything from themselves; everything before them, and everything after them is crap according to them. There is a good reason that they are dubbed the "Me" generation; because they don't give a damn about anyone else.

Blogger Sheila4g September 05, 2019 12:48 PM  

While there are obvious differences in technique and proficiency and complexity, I think musical preference (genre to genre or within genres) is largely a matter of personal taste. I have a handful of Beatles' songs on my workout playlist, but the only one I listen to any more is "Back in the USSR." I enjoy some '70s and a lot more '80s tunes because they recall certain times in my life (driving around Brezhnev's Moscow with Boston booming out of the open windows). I still have cassettes my father made for me with Ella Fitzgerald singing Cole Porter, or my favorite version of Die Zauberflute (Cristina Deutekom's vocal range is almost inhuman sounding at times). Lately I've been listening to more of my older son's metal (Sabaton, Powerwolf, Pain, Eluveite, Suidakra, Tenggar Cavalry) or European rock (Volbeat). I definitely prefer more melodic tunes and actual singing rather than screaming, and some lyrics are better while others have more varied compositions, but I just don't get that riled about others' preferences unless I'm forced to listen to it (if I didn't have my own music at the gym I would go insane with the rap and modern, machine-made "music they play). One of my favorites of late, although not new, is Pain's Here is the News.

Blogger Bobiojimbo September 05, 2019 12:49 PM  

I wouldn't worry about video games replacing music either (not that anyone here does). One needs only to look at thing like OC Remix (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Wh7qpPGJm3K1eZ6DHjpKA) or the other various covers people are doing of video game music (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_Q1rXhHL6g). If anything, video games appear to be inspiring.

And, yes, I did use this as an opportunity to shamelessly share with you all some of my favorite musical sources.

Blogger Timmy3 September 05, 2019 12:56 PM  

I was never interested in distorted guitar music. Everyone else was into Queen and KISS in my youth, but couldn’t take it. The Queen movie helped a bit, but a little late. Rock n Roll is such an American pastime. Today’s music is so different.

Blogger The Cooler September 05, 2019 12:57 PM  

@116 https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=1iAYhQsQhSY

That's good stuff, Snidely.

Blogger NRx September 05, 2019 12:57 PM  

"grunge sucked and it was far worse for music then rap

You're high."

Nope... There is rap that is listenable (not most of it but some), grunge is just purely negative horrible music... it would have all been totally forgotten like a bad dream except Kurt the junkie faggot had to kill himself at the height of his popularity.

Blogger IAMSpartacus0000 September 05, 2019 1:01 PM  

Rock and Metal have moved back into a counter culture and I would argue are thriving. Scandinavian and Japanese Metal scene seems to be live and well but you don't see them splashed across our media.

Youtube has some phenomenal artist who Slash would be envious of.

Honestly the writer is looking in all the wrong places and just hasn't realized rock has grown past it's simpler days of his youth. Metal now has complexity in it's music.

Hell Disturbed's rendition of "The Sound of Silence" basically owns that song now. Any cover of it is compared to Disturbed and not Simon and Garfunkel, at least in my book.

Blogger xevious2030 September 05, 2019 1:05 PM  

"That's good stuff, Snidely. "

Yep, interesting music Snidely.

Blogger Nate September 05, 2019 1:15 PM  

"I blame that faggot Kurt Cobain... grunge sucked and it was far worse for music then rap. If that asshole hadn't decided to kill himself at the height of his popularity his awful noise would have become unpopular and better music would have taken its place..."

this is amazingly stupid. Cobain was heavily influenced the same blues musicians (leadbelly for example) that influenced all great rock from Zeplin to AC/DC to Skynyrd to GnR.

The fall didn't really start until NuMetal showed up.

Blogger Nate September 05, 2019 1:16 PM  

God Help Us... but the truth is... Nickleback is probably the last huge... I mean globally huge.. rock band.

Blogger Titanium Bear September 05, 2019 1:17 PM  

@111 Nate.
Thanks for the playlist.

Blogger Nate September 05, 2019 1:19 PM  

"Nope... There is rap that is listenable (not most of it but some), grunge is just purely negative horrible music... "

Jesus... when I thought the vast stupid of your comments had peaked... we get this.

Its amazing how stupid this is. For example.. the defining characteristic of Pearl Jam's album Ten is the we-in-this-together optimism that runs like a thread through the whole album. Alice in Chains and Soundgarden share similar threads.

You're an idiot.

Blogger Nate September 05, 2019 1:20 PM  

"Thanks for the playlist."

don't leave out Margo Price or Curb Lund...I mean I know he's a damn Canadian but he's still awesome.

Blogger The Cooler September 05, 2019 1:20 PM  

@128 While there are obvious differences in technique and proficiency and complexity, I think musical preference (genre to genre or within genres) is largely a matter of personal taste.

There is some accounting for taste. This goes back to the Pythagoreans.

@132 grunge is just purely negative horrible music

You have no idea what you are talking about and should stop typing. You are a Boomer; it is next to impossible for you to be able to identify with, for example, the Alice in Chains song to which I linked previously. Although your parents, children and grandchildren probably can.

Yes, Kurt Cobain was a piece of shit. However, and true to Boomer form, you are falling for The Official Story that this man defined or defines the genre. He does not, although Nirvana's music does in fact qualify as Grunge and, itself, helped to shape some of the music that came after Grunge had it's impact.

Blogger Gregory the Great September 05, 2019 1:26 PM  

@139 Nate
thanks, very good suggestions

Blogger Nate September 05, 2019 1:30 PM  

careful with the Whitey Morgan boys... you find the wrong song and you'll end up cranking it up.. ditching work.. and pounding whiskey laced with gun powder

Blogger Nate September 05, 2019 1:31 PM  

Me and the Whiskey for example... holy shit...

Blogger Noah B. September 05, 2019 1:32 PM  

"The fall didn't really start until NuMetal showed up."

I blame Metallica and their shitty Load & Reload albums.

Blogger Jay In NYC September 05, 2019 1:34 PM  

Ha!The Beatles sucked!What a load if horseshit. The Beatles among many others,will still be here,being enjoyed by the more discerning,after all the current shit is gone. "Naw man,these new guys "Bloody Tampon"are way better!"😉

Blogger LastRedoubt September 05, 2019 1:40 PM  

Gotta second the Corb Lund - got hooked hearing "A Leader on Losing Control". Also have gotten to like JD McPhereson, which comes across as "what if fifties rockers evolved instead of going blues" - check out "Cryin's Just a thing that you do".

Sabaton is doing good stuff. While not technically amazing, their compositions are improving and they take the faith and desire to defend god and country of those they sing about seriously, to the point of singing about the Bismark from the German side.

They, and the album "Apex" by Unleash the Archers have been regular listens, and the instrument work on Awakening" is worth a listen.

There's also some good retro-wave/retro darkwave. Some of "the Midnight" albums are solid, if nostalgic, and Irving Force's "God Mode" makes for a solid workout album if not metal. "Empty Streets" by Scandroid is a solid song with a well-done 8-bit lyric video.

Blogger Irish Energy September 05, 2019 1:41 PM  

[b]I confess that I like some of the 60s music including The Beatles. However they are to music what McDonald's is to fine dining. Tasty, slickly packaged, but with little skill [/b]

Technically speaking the Beatles were very good, they used chords not many else were using. Probably they got them from George Martin. Who came from a classical background. Listen to their song "because".

John Lennon by the way had more of a right wing view than the character portrayed in the media. Read his last interview with David scheff.

Blogger Richard Martel September 05, 2019 1:44 PM  

I've always said that Jazz sounds like noone in the band can hear what anyone else is playing and they are all just playing their own song.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 05, 2019 1:47 PM  

Nate wrote:you find the wrong song and you'll end up cranking it up.. ditching work.. and pounding whiskey laced with gun powder
I work from home, so... not a problem.
Jay In NYC wrote:The Beatles among many others,will still be here,being enjoyed by the more discerning,after all the current shit is gone.
The Beatles are ALREADY gone. Done and dusted. Nobody under the age of 60 listens to the Beatles except as a history lesson. A 50-year-old would have been 2 when the Beatles broke up. And frankly McCartney's Wings project was better musically, although the songs weren't great.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 05, 2019 1:49 PM  

It's like a 90-year-old claiming "Rosemary Clooney's music will outlive all you damnable Rock-and-Rollers!"

Blogger Bobiojimbo September 05, 2019 1:49 PM  

Although this is more metal, than rock, Napalm Records seems to have some good talent too: https://youtu.be/gqUPGa15Oto - Just listen to the first 1:40 if you don't want to listen to the full 7 minutes.

Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira September 05, 2019 1:51 PM  

Boomers didn't have EMGs.

Blogger Nate September 05, 2019 1:56 PM  

Also... the Beatles were bullshit. And so were the fucking Stones... but neither were as utterly useless and pathetic as The Who.

Blogger Nate September 05, 2019 1:57 PM  

"The Beatles are ALREADY gone. Done and dusted."

this. GenZ has never heard the Beatles and likely never will... because GenX hates them and never played them for their kids in GenZ.

Blogger sammibandit September 05, 2019 2:01 PM  

The best rock show I went to was by an American speed punk band called Rocket from the Crypt. They had a horn and percussion section and tickets were $15 dollars. Just wall to wall rock n roll for 2 hours in a goth club. Lots of dancing and 2 encores. That was back in 2002.

Boomers forget that rock is about the live experience. My relatives who went to barn dances during the war, staying out till sunrise after eating a midnight meal of sausage and beer, get it. Those barn dances are a lot closer to hitting the goth club, dancing all night, and then going to Denny's for a late meal than what boomers talk about.

I never understood the boomer "rock is dead" dirge. There's tonnes of live music to be found. You can look up record companies--I recommend this if you're searching in a genre--or self produced bands on bandcamp.

One time at the fancy theatre I worked at we did a Procul Harum show backed with the city symphony. It was really good but so many boomers. They all told me about how great the music /was/.

I just laughed. At that time I was going to a punk rock show once a week. I lived surrounded by live rock music. Great local bands and great touring acts from abroad. I didn't have time to get into dad rock when I became a teenager. Way too much good music from artists I could see live with my allowance.

Blogger xevious2030 September 05, 2019 2:02 PM  

I've never heard of the musical group Bloody Tampon, but it is a low bar, and they probably could do it. Well, except for the under 5 crowd.

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 05, 2019 2:08 PM  

There's also some good retro-wave/retro darkwave.

Yes. I ran across one called "85 Again" recently. People think of 80s music as empty-headed bubblegum pop and hair metal, but that's probably the result of Boomers turning their noses up at it because it was different. A lot of the 80s music that stuck with me had a serious or melancholy tone to it, and some of these retro folks are nailing that.

Blogger xevious2030 September 05, 2019 2:11 PM  

No, wait, wrong date. My 3 year old didn’t even like Yellow Submarine. “Turn it off Dada.” Asks for the Handel station. A little more dirt kicked in I suppose.

Blogger Noah B. September 05, 2019 2:13 PM  

This is pretty mainstream but it's a fantastic cover.

Five Finger Death Punch - Blue on Black

Blogger sammibandit September 05, 2019 2:21 PM  

Grunge is just slowed down punk rock. If you're sick of Kurt I suggest checking out The Gits - Another Shot of Whiskey is a good place to start. This band could have been bigger than Nirvana but the lead singer was murdered in 93. Very soulful voice. Great lyrics.

Nirvana is very poppy sounding and not a good representation of the genre. If you're curious I suggest Mudhoney - Into yer Schtik. It's about Courtney Love. Mudhoney is good if you like blues rock as well. An acquired taste, though.

Another Shot of Whiskey - The Gits
https://youtu.be/7Hp2_Fac7ic

Second Skin - The Gits
https://youtu.be/FsnWl-o-KoM

Mudhoney - Into yer Schtik
https://youtu.be/Q7v6mOepu3Y

Blogger VD September 05, 2019 2:24 PM  

GenZ has never heard the Beatles and likely never will... because GenX hates them and never played them for their kids in GenZ.

(raises glass of Riserva)

Blogger The Cooler September 05, 2019 2:26 PM  

There's also some good retro-wave/retro darkwave

New-ish Synthwave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js6j_89Gjqg

Interestingly, replace the effects the guitarist is using with some good ol' heavy chung chung distortion and you've got metal. I like that.

Blogger ar10308 September 05, 2019 2:26 PM  

Absolutely concur that the Beatles are gone. People under 30 wouldn't recognize a single song of theirs if randomly played. People under 45 don't even want to hear it played. Good music stands the test of time. They didn't have good music. I can enjoy Jazz from the 1920s more than the Beatles.

The 80s Retro-Synthwave genre is really exploding on the interwebs right now. There are a whole bunch of YouTube channels dedicated to playing it 24/7. It appeals most strongly to Gen X/Y folks who grew up with those sounds in movies and commercials so the nostalgia factor is high but they've increased production and composition quality given technological advances towards accessibility to anyone with a computer. Isidor and Timecop 1983 are 2 of my favorites from that genre.

Blogger Argus Bacchus September 05, 2019 2:27 PM  

@117


"Tyler Childers is good, country wise."

I'd also throw in Colter Wall. Dude is a total badass. He writes great songs and has a deep, rich baritone voice. He's not even 25 yet either.

Check him out at the Brewery Session on Youtube.



"And there isn't a single guitarist of that generation who could ever shred as well as the average YouTube guitarist today."

Agreed. The playing on display in the linked video is nothing that me and lots of my fellow metal inclined Gen X guitar buddies, and perhaps even some of the regulars here, were able to do by the time we were 17 or so. The guys in the video remind me of them (us).

We were raised on that kind of stuff and spent countless hours analyzing and learning it.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl September 05, 2019 2:31 PM  

And immediately after that, he scoured the internet looking for nude pics of those same 10 year olds.

Blogger HoosierHillbilly September 05, 2019 2:36 PM  

Bahaha. No music in the US?! Rock bands that have FORMED in the last decade or so: Shotgun Sawyer, Monster Truck (good call above), Valley of the Sun, Zed. That is not even touching the fantastic real country listed already above.

Blogger Gregory the Great September 05, 2019 2:36 PM  

The current "Fake Charts" do not represent popular music (music people like) at all. There are musicians on Youtube that have just as many hits and likes as Justin Timberlake (and less "rogans down"), but they have never appeared in the "Fake Charts".
When I hear "Yesterday" I feel like getting locked into a wardrobe still filled with the clothes of a person who has just died.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl September 05, 2019 2:39 PM  

Jews started rap, they still control it, all of these young "white rappers," are Jewish, Jews love completely degenerate culture, makes complete sense to me.
One of my favorite things is seeing which rapper went to what rich Jew kid's bar mitzvah. It shows how popular/much control a particular showbiz/media type Jew has, if Drake or Cardio B shows up to perform

Blogger NO GOOGLES September 05, 2019 2:41 PM  

I agree that videogames have become something of a shelter for good music. One listen to the DOOM (2016) soundtrack will convince any metalhead - it's one of the best metal albums of the decade (and there's a TON of good metal right now).

Other stuff I've enjoyed lately:
Caravan Palace
Parov Stelar
Literally anything Mick Gordon has ever done
El-P/Run the Jewels
HOME
Aesop Rock
Sabaton

When I was in junior high I thought Linkin Park was the BEST BAND EVER. Unlike Boomers, I grew out of it. They're just addicted to the same stuff they listened to when they were kids/young adults and their musical taste never grew at all. It would be sad if we didn't have to put up with all of the "THE BEATLES WERE THE BEST BAND EVAR" crap from them constantly.

Blogger NO GOOGLES September 05, 2019 2:44 PM  

Also vaporwave/synthwave etc is generally pretty good stuff (with the normal share of crap that any genre has obviously) and it is a rare example of nostalgia done right.

Blogger camcleat September 05, 2019 2:48 PM  

I haven't read the entire thread but if Boomers think there is no music coming out that can touch their sacred cows, they aren't looking.

CandyRat records has been publishing some phenomenal work by a number of guys on guitar. Even as a metal head from way back, I'm partial to Antoine Dufour and Stefano Barano as examples.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jysCH5kMews

There are many, many others. These guys are experimental and very skilled. The 60's have nothing on music today.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl September 05, 2019 2:57 PM  

I've been dreading forever what Boomers will be like when Paul McCartney dies. They will lose what's left of their minds.
Speaking of "Sir Paul," his grandson was robbed at knifepoint in London last week. After seeing him interviewed a year or so ago, I got the vibe he might have secret John Cleese thoughts, not that he'd actually speak up and make an effort to change the cultural mood in the country, because heaven knows that'd be uncouth.
Give me Johnny Rotten any day over "Macca."

Blogger HouellebecqGurl September 05, 2019 3:07 PM  

I will gleefully buy a good bottle of the bubs to pop when Eddie Vedder dies. Seriously. F*** Eddie Vedder.
I've had a rough couple of years healthwise, and nothing gives me joy quite like outliving odious and evil people.
I may start making top 10 lists, jusr to cheer myself up. I still get a bit of pep in my step every time I remember John McCain croaked.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 05, 2019 3:11 PM  

HouellebecqGurl wrote:I still get a bit of pep in my step every time I remember John McCain croaked.
I've got a bottle of champagne waiting for when Ginsberg goes to meet her master.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl September 05, 2019 3:16 PM  

My millennial son & his fiancee love Pigeons Playing Ping Pong, a funk jam band, and The String Cheese Incident, which is a fusion of bluegrass, funk, reggae, country, rock, etc.
Try those two, maybe they'd appeal to you.

Blogger camcleat September 05, 2019 3:18 PM  

Nate wrote:"The Beatles are ALREADY gone. Done and dusted."

this. GenZ has never heard the Beatles and likely never will... because GenX hates them and never played them for their kids in GenZ.


Early GenX-er here. I play a lot of nostalgia music for my two Gen Z teenagers, and I don't think I have *ever* played a single Beatles song for them.

The last band I introduced them to was The Cars early stuff live in '78 or so. My guitar playing daughter and drum/keyboard learning son both loved it. I found out "Just What I Needed" was already one of my daughter's favorite songs.

I doubt either would recognize a Beatles tune if you offered them money to.

Blogger Mocheirge September 05, 2019 3:30 PM  

I used to have a Boomer mentality and thought that my beloved progrock died after 1975 (Red), but then I discovered avant-prog and zeuhl still going strong in the 21st century.

Aranis (classical/chamber rock): https://youtu.be/Ep7i7ZU5mnM
Koenji Hyakkei (Zeuhl): https://youtu.be/-eBbgkoreGY

Blogger Brett baker September 05, 2019 3:31 PM  

Sir Jagger! Glad you're one of us!

Blogger Nikolai Collushnikov September 05, 2019 3:33 PM  

HouellebecqGurl

LoL.

Blogger Brett baker September 05, 2019 3:35 PM  

Eric Johnson, for people who want to go see a show.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl September 05, 2019 3:48 PM  

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Blogger Brett baker September 05, 2019 3:48 PM  

You stopped believing! How could you Snidely?!

Blogger HouellebecqGurl September 05, 2019 3:56 PM  

Same. I've got a nice chilled bottle of Taittinger waiting in anticipation for Ruth to shuffle off.

Blogger SoCalMike September 05, 2019 3:57 PM  

Late Boomer here, born in '61.

I liked the Beatles some, because I understood their importance to pop culture at the time. True, they aren't very good, but they put a different spin on the late 50's pop sound, and the chicks liked their 'edge'. Day in the Life is a classic, but not much else.

No one has mentioned that movie that came out this year called "Yesterday", the RomCom about the kid who remembers the Beatles after some weird global calamity/power outage. Strange plot, but I told my wife coming out of the theater that the reason that movie came out is to "reintroduce" the Beatles music to the public who have never heard it. Everyone is correct, the kids don't listen to it anymore - yes, it isn't very good, but there is SO MUCH ELSE to listen to, that they don't need average music.

There was one scene in the movie, however, that stood out. Ed Sheeran (meh) is having a contest with this kid to see who could write the best song in 15 minutes. Sheeran went first and sang something that I didn't recognize, and not being a fan, couldn't even tell you anything about it. The kid went second, and sang a piano bar version of The Long and Winding Road. Not a big Beatles fan, but he made the song sound beautiful. Really.

I could say a lot about music, as I can't exist without it. A few have mentioned classical, and the period in the 1700s and 1800s when Mozart, Beethoven, and Tchaikovsky were alive and composing music - man, that was wonderful. Someone mentioned composers (more musicians than composers, which i agree with) - what a fantastic time for composing.

I've rambled a little, but I agree with what many people have said - music is to the individual, and it's personal. I don't think Boomer music is the best ever written. Never had thought that.

Steven Wilson (Porcupine Tree) is one of the best modern songwriters around, and his solo albums have been magnificent. new country sucks. I've been to the Grand Ole Opry several times in my life, and i can't stand the new 'country pop' stuff. Yuck. Johnny Cash was incredible.

I've enjoyed this thread, y'all. Oh, I checked out The Hu from Mongolia after reading an earlier comment - the Wolf Totem song is pretty darn cool.

Blogger Brett baker September 05, 2019 3:59 PM  

In 1991, SoundScan discovered more rap and (GASP) country was sold than rock.

Blogger Dave W. September 05, 2019 4:07 PM  

"No-one in US, UK, Aus, Can, NZ, or from anywhere in continental Europe that you can give as an example of good current original music to us English speaking/ Euro folk?"

Clutch
Tool (who FINALLY put out a new album last week)

Blogger camcleat September 05, 2019 4:12 PM  

There is a butt-ton of good metal coming out of Eastern Europe these days. Youtube is good for something after all.

O' course, would could say a lot of good stuff culturally in general is coming out of Eastern Europe these days. Music should be no surprise.

Blogger Nate September 05, 2019 4:36 PM  

my friends I have let you down.

in my haste to point you toward good modern music.. i left out The Steel Woods. go forth.. and have a stiff drunk when you crank up The Rock that says my Name.

Blogger xevious2030 September 05, 2019 4:38 PM  

"No one has mentioned that movie that came out this year called 'Yesterday'"

"Yesterday," that movie about the ship that hit the iceberg, and everyonee onboard let out a collective gasp of disbelief?

Blogger JAG September 05, 2019 4:42 PM  

xevious2030 wrote:"the decline in rock in the USA has accelerated since about 2010"

Bon Jovi's Living on a Prayer, on MTV, was the death of MTV and Rock and Roll. Most everything else was just a lizards tail flopping around, in terms of the life of the era. Recognizable within 30 seconds of the first airing. The change of direction. Handel can kick some dirt in on it anyway.


There are few bands I despise more than the Beatles, and Bon Jovi is one of them. I have Sirius XM with many of the rock stations preset. Bon Jovi is an automatic channel changer. I refuse to let them pollute my ears. Friggin boy band foisted off as hair metal.

Others that are automatic channel changers in my world: U2, R.E.M., Bruce Springsteen, and John Cougar Mellonhead.

I can even trudge my way through pearl Jam, and I detest Eddie Vedder, but the aforementioned acts make my blood instantly boil upon the first couple of notes registering in my brain.

Those looking for some newer heavy metal could do worse than Sirius XM's Liquid Metal channel. Newer bands like Gojira, and Jinjer are really good. Slipknot is still on top of that world with a good new album.

Blogger xevious2030 September 05, 2019 4:50 PM  

"Others that are automatic channel changers in my world"

Yep.

Blogger Unknown September 05, 2019 4:54 PM  

++++++ for Band-Maid!!!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 05, 2019 5:13 PM  

Brett baker wrote:You stopped believing! How could you Snidely?!
Never started. I was a DJ in those days. The money behind promoting Journey (and the other arena rock power ballad bands) was astounding.

Blogger Titanium Bear September 05, 2019 5:18 PM  

@188 Nate
You took me back to my roots. MISTER, MANY THANKS

Blogger M Cephas September 05, 2019 5:36 PM  

It's not just Boomers. The average GenX, Millennial, or GenZ doesn't know of the existence of Band-Maid either outside of Japan.

Blogger Gregory the Great September 05, 2019 6:38 PM  

I bookmarked this post to follow up on all the good recommendations later

Blogger Argus Bacchus September 05, 2019 6:42 PM  

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Blogger Argus Bacchus September 05, 2019 6:53 PM  

@164

Sorry, meant to say that the stuff in the video was stuff we (Gen X metal guitarists) and later metal guitarists, including some commenters and readers here, WERE able to play by our/their late teens.

A proficient metal guitarist of the 80's and later had/has chops far beyond the abilities of most 60's "guitar heroes".

By the late 80's, it was "Yeah, so what? The kid down the street can do that too."

Blogger nswhorse September 05, 2019 7:38 PM  

@Bobiojimbo

Ha! I stumbled on Unleash the Archers courtesy of YouTube recommendations just this week. Occasionally the algorithm proves itself useful.

Blogger CM September 05, 2019 7:59 PM  

Oh... that was fun.

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