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Monday, September 23, 2019

The vanishing of history

The globalists have already vanished an astonishing amount of 20th century history:
The recent 70th anniversary of the outbreak of the conflict that consumed so many tens of millions of lives naturally provoked numerous historical articles, and the resulting discussion led me to dig out my old copy of Taylor’s short volume, which I reread for the first time in nearly forty years. I found it just as masterful and persuasive as I had back in my college dorm room days, and the glowing cover-blurbs suggested some of the immediate acclaim the work had received. The Washington Post lauded the author as “Britain’s most prominent living historian,” World Politics called it “Powerfully argued, brilliantly written, and always persuasive,” The New Statesman, Britain leading leftist magazine, described it as “A masterpiece: lucid, compassionate, beautifully written,” and the august Times Literary Supplement characterized it as “simple, devastating, superlatively readable, and deeply disturbing.” As an international best-seller, it still surely ranks as Taylor’s most famous book, and I can easily understand why it was still on my college required reading list nearly two decades after its original publication.

Yet in revisiting Taylor’s ground-breaking study, I made a remarkable discovery. Despite all the international sales and critical acclaim, the book’s findings soon aroused tremendous hostility in certain quarters. Taylor’s lectures at Oxford had been enormously popular for a quarter century, but as a direct result of the controversy “Britain’s most prominent living historian” was summarily purged from the faculty not long afterwards. At the beginning of his first chapter, Taylor had noted how strange he found it that more than twenty years after the start of the world’s most cataclysmic war no serious history had been produced carefully analyzing the outbreak. Perhaps the retaliation that he encountered led him to better understand part of that puzzle.

Taylor was hardly alone in suffering such retribution. Indeed, as I have gradually discovered over the last decade or so, his fate seems to have been an exceptionally mild one, with his great existing stature partially insulating him from the backlash following his objective analysis of the historical facts. And such extremely serious professional consequences were especially common on our side of the Atlantic, where many of the victims lost their long-held media or academic positions, and permanently vanished from public view during the years around World War II....

We may easily imagine that some prominent and highly-regarded individual at the peak of his career and public influence might suddenly take leave of his senses and begin promoting eccentric and erroneous theories, thereby ensuring his downfall. Under such circumstances, his claims may be treated with great skepticism and perhaps simply disregarded.

But when the number of such very reputable yet contrary voices becomes sufficiently large and the claims they make seem generally consistent with each other, we can no longer casually dismiss their critiques. Their committed stance on these controversial matters had proved fatal to their continued public standing, and although they must have recognized these likely consequences, they nonetheless followed that path, even going to the trouble of writing lengthy books presenting their views, and seeking out some publisher somewhere who was willing to release these.

John T. Flynn, Harry Elmer Barnes, Charles Beard, William Henry Chamberlin, Russell Grenfell, Sisley Huddleston, and numerous other scholars and journalists of the highest caliber and reputation all told a rather consistent story of the Second World War but one at total variance with that of today’s established narrative, and they did so at the cost of destroying their careers. A decade or two later, renowned historian A.J.P. Taylor reaffirmed this same basic narrative, and was purged from Oxford as a consequence. I find it very difficult to explain the behavior of all these individuals unless they were presenting a truthful account.

If a ruling political establishment and its media organs offer lavish rewards of funding, promotion, and public acclaim to those who endorse its party-line propaganda while casting into outer darkness those who dissent, the pronouncements of the former should be viewed with considerable suspicion. Barnes popularized the phrase “court historians” to describe these disingenuous and opportunistic individuals who follow the prevailing political winds, and our present-day media outlets are certainly replete with such types....

World War II ended nearly three generations ago, and few of its adult survivors still walk the earth. From one perspective the true facts of that conflict and whether or not they actually contradict our traditional beliefs might appear rather irrelevant. Tearing down the statues of some long-dead historical figures and replacing them with the statues of others hardly seems of much practical value.

But if we gradually conclude that the story that all of us have been told during our entire lifetimes is substantially false and perhaps largely inverted, the implications for our understanding of the world are enormous.
This is why it is vital to read, collect, and preserve history. If it were not so important, the Year Zeroes would not place such importance on discrediting and disappearing the historians of yesteryear.

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Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 23, 2019 8:30 AM  

Are they terrified people will find out that Nazis were democratic socialists?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 23, 2019 8:37 AM  

Probably vanished because it accurately portrayed who declared war on whom before the fighting ever started.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 23, 2019 8:39 AM  

We all know the reason... The Germans.... every last one of them (except the communists) suddenly went crazy, and for absolutely no reason whatsoever, started hating (((you know who))). Did you know they all thought they were superman(*)? I mean, that 1/2-second clip of three mask-and-cape-wearing Germans, kicking their legs while being lifted by stage wires... it's been shown on TV thousands of times.... so certainly, the conclusion is that EVERY German was absolutely nuts..... except for the poor, poor oppressed commies.


(*) who were absolutely nothing like the REAL Superman who was invented by (((a comic book artist))) who made him an alien so as to symbolize men who wear tiny hats living in an alien culture. How dare those crazy, suddenly impoverished Germans think that even ONE of them could be (((Superman)))!?!?!?!

Yeah. That story never made any sense. Not even when I was 10 years old.


Ben Freedman's speech at the Willard Hotel reveals much, and was the first thing I ever came across that actually makes sense. And as he was at the Treaty of Versailles negotiations, which observers at the time predicted, accurately, would be the CAUSE of WW2... AND he accuses his own ethnic group.... I'll believe him and his words rather than the "Germans suddenly went crazy and scapegoated (((somebody)))" narrative.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 23, 2019 8:47 AM  

@2

"Probably vanished because it accurately portrayed who declared war on whom before the fighting ever started."

Bingo. I've even had a hard-right Korean tell me that all of those 1933 headlines from papers in the US, Canada, the UK, Australia, and NZ are all fake.

Of course, he didn't like that I was supporting Trump early on in the primaries, because "There's no way he can beat Hillary! -- We need someone who can beat her." And then he cut off contact when I sent him the youtube video of some Disney feature-length cartoon that was overdubbed with a song called "Cuckservative!" He immediately got all defensive about race, and wouldn't let me get a word in edgewise that it was about unfaithful politicians, not genetics.

Then he cut me off on fakebook.

Still hasn't acknowledged that I was right in my assessment, early on, that if it came to Him an Hillary, he would mop the floor with her during the debates AND on election day.

Blogger Richard Holmes September 23, 2019 8:48 AM  

Wow, I see that very same thing in the united states. I never recognized it until the past 20 years. On history I have personally witnessed, I have been accused of lying because it doesn't fit SOMEONES narrative. People have told me what I saw with my own two eyes never happened. Not a lot, but only a couple of times. But then I haven't personally witnessed that much. Excluding the TeeVee of course.
It is a bit remarkable and frustrating to witness.

Blogger Scott September 23, 2019 8:49 AM  

You mean a society at war didn't waste precious resources murdering their own slaves out of blind suicidal hatred?

Blogger Brett baker September 23, 2019 9:04 AM  

Well, our leaders, such as they are, know the importance of feelz.

Blogger The Greay Man September 23, 2019 9:06 AM  

Vox, this is a great article - Ron Unz has been pretty impressive lately.

I was unaware of some of these historians simply because they have been CANCELLED over the years before I read enough history to find them when learning.

great find.

Blogger Republican Mother September 23, 2019 9:11 AM  

Antony Sutton is another historian who was 86ed from the mainstream after publishing his famous Wall Street trilogy. Those books really clued me in to how three world really works.

Blogger Ben Cohen September 23, 2019 9:13 AM  

Anyone here read Freedom Betrayed, Herbert Hoover's history of WWII?

Blogger CarpeOro September 23, 2019 9:13 AM  

Yet another reason to continue to strive toward the goal of owning a house again - so I can start collecting physical books again. Though the odds are low that digitized versions of older history books would be "corrected", it still exists. I am old enough to recall reading Beard and Taylor in college and even the left leaning members of the faculty would mention them with at least grudging respect.

Blogger Andy Evick September 23, 2019 9:16 AM  

What does this rant have to do with anything we're discussing? Stay on topic.

Blogger Leoric September 23, 2019 9:21 AM  

Long article. Well worth it. It's scary how pro war faction prior to WW2 is so much like the current one and used the same tactics. Does not bode well for peace.

Blogger Meanoldbasterd September 23, 2019 9:34 AM  

Andy Evick, it quite literally depicts how people will refuse to see what's actually happening due to their tribal allegiances even IF they supposedly agree with you politically... This human trait is at the center of why history is rewritten in the first place!!

Blogger Don September 23, 2019 9:39 AM  

Just picked up a copy from Amazon. My two oldest sons will love this book as well.

Don

Blogger John Rockwell September 23, 2019 9:41 AM  

We need the modern equivalent of Monasteries who archive everything of history.

Blogger Lukas Brunnor September 23, 2019 9:48 AM  

/pol/ has a great thread going about a New Jersey English department throwing books deemed not woke enough in the trash. And then one day for no reason at all...

Blogger David Ray Milton September 23, 2019 10:08 AM  

It would be interesting to know the generational divides as far as what was taught in public school at certain times. In the 90’s for me, they were certainly teaching @Dirk Manly’s humorous rendition of the Nazi’s turning into homicidal anti-semites, you know, just because. It was only when I reflected on the causes and had the observation of @Scott, and decided to research myself, that I ever learned about Hitler being a reaction to Jewish communistic revolutions.

It would be interesting to hear what GenX and the Boomers were taught in school.

Blogger freddie_mac September 23, 2019 10:08 AM  

The local library has quarterly sales, and I've found a number of worthwhile old history books there for a fraction of the actual cost. Must make room for the PC garbage ...

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 23, 2019 10:10 AM  

"It was only when I reflected on the causes and had the observation of @Scott, and decided to research myself, that I ever learned about Hitler being a reaction to Jewish communistic revolutions."

Except Hitler welcomed communists into the NSDAP, calling them cousins...

Blogger Borsabil September 23, 2019 10:19 AM  

Just in the past few years we were told that homosexuality was an inherited trait. To be against the gay was akin to being a racist or a sexist. ]As soon as gay marriage was imposed all that was memory holed in 5 minutes flat and folks would think you're a lunatic if you brought it up, especially among the woke. Now gender and sexuality are entirely fluid lifestyle choices and young children need to be put on hormones and be physically castrated to be their 'true selves'. It's quite remarkable how utterly shameless they are.

When I was a little un we were taught all about the Holocaust in school history class. We were taught that 4 million Jewish people died at Auschwitz. We were taught that the Germans used the skin of their victims to make lampshades and human fat to make soap. It was all outrageous propaganda but that's not what makes it interesting. As soon as it was decided, for whatever reasons, that these 'facts' should be abandoned and replaced by entirely new 'facts' (e.g. that 3 million Jews were somehow randomly shot on the Eastern Front) then that became the new reality. Pick up a book on the Holocaust written in the past 20 years, do a google search, look up Wikipedia, all those incontrovertible and undeniable truths that we were taught as children have completely vanished and no one talks about it!

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 23, 2019 10:20 AM  

Dirk Manly wrote:I've even had a hard-right Korean tell me that all of those 1933 headlines from papers in the US, Canada, the UK, Australia, and NZ are all fake.

What's a Han Gook doing opining on US politics?

Blogger Crew September 23, 2019 10:21 AM  

Uh-oh. Ron Unz is a gas-chamber denier now. That is beyond the pale! It's worse than being a Holyhoax denier!

And over the decades, considerable evidence has accumulated that the Gas Chambers and the Jewish Holocaust—the central elements of today’s Nazi “Black Legend”—were just as fictional as all those other items.

Blogger xevious2030 September 23, 2019 10:22 AM  

Paper victory, paper Americans, same-same.

Blogger freddie_mac September 23, 2019 10:24 AM  

@21 Borsabil
Just in the past few years we were told that homosexuality was an inherited trait.

Remember the hunt for the gay gene? I recall being bewildered that leftists weren't connecting the dots correctly: identify a gay gene >> create a screening test >> abort gay babies = elimination of gay population.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 23, 2019 10:26 AM  

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Blogger English Tom September 23, 2019 10:44 AM  

You might also want to research Churchill's Regulation 18B, proposed by one Victor Rothschild, which put British people who were against the war in prison until the war ended. The prisoners included politicians and others who were aware just (((who))) was really behind the carnage.
Also, a very popular BBC TV series called Peaky Blinders is doing a proper BBC hatchet job on a feller called Oswald Moseleyz who also pointed out the real (((enemy))).
And let's not forget the little scene from Orwell's 1984 when O'Brien proposes a toast. "What shall we drink to, the future?" He asks Winston. "The past" Winston replies. "Yes, said O'Brien, the past is more important."

History is very important because history has lessons. Unfortunately there is a Santayana quote about history that is very revealing.

Blogger L'Aristokrato September 23, 2019 10:49 AM  

Cuckservative "victory". Even the memory of them will be erased.

Blogger Scott September 23, 2019 10:54 AM  

Surprise surprise, the woman behind it is one of the chosen.

Blogger Scuzzaman September 23, 2019 11:09 AM  

We never needed anyone’s help against the communists. The communists were almost entirely our creation. Not the useful idiots, but the successful revolutions and the corrupt theocracies that followed them. THAT is the whole point of Sutton’s work: we created paper tigers so we could build monstrous engines of destruction (that just happened to empower and enrich us) to fight against them.

Nazis, Soviets, Taleban, al Qaeda, Saddam Hussein, Colonel Gadaffi, Manuel Noriega; there’s no career more temporarily rewarding and ultimately lethal than being a tool of the anglo-American hegemony.

Blogger Crush Limbraw September 23, 2019 11:38 AM  

"It's easier to fool people than convince them they've been fooled!"- Mark Twain.
That statement has now been confirmed countless times for me. As Ron Unz admits, his knowledge of history was basically from History 101 and public school - as was mine - and both of us discovered it to be a freaking lie!
However, this didn't happen until I started to read - extensively - about 15-20 years ago. To say it has been a revelation is an understatement.
It is that specific reason I started collecting my library about 4 years ago. Ron Unz, Vox Day, Jack Kerwick and many others are now almost automatic entries into the mix.
Now here is another discovery - quoting and linking their articles is systematically banning me from commenting on various 'Conservative'sites - spamming!
The lesson I am gradually learning is that discovering truth is not only a process, it is adamantly opposed by the status quo - and as Charles Hugh Smith states regularly - it is life threatening to DaStatusQuo!
My mission is now clear - thanks to the writers and historians I now follow - and certainly the grace of God!

Blogger Fozzy Bear September 23, 2019 11:43 AM  

"History" is the artificial application of a narrative to events.
Without the narrative, we would be left with mere lists of dates, names, and places - which students are trained to hate.
History is bunk.

Blogger DonReynolds September 23, 2019 11:52 AM  

History has traditionally been studied without ever making it to "current events". Until recent decades, Oxford had an old rule that history was something that happened prior to 1500 AD and it was not possible to study anything more recent objectively and without political bias. I can see where they came up with that rule and why it persisted for so long. The world did seem to go mad after 1500 and there was plenty of history to study anyway. After all, one of the purposes of history is not only to weave a narrative but to preserve knowledge, and that required careful translation from the documents of the times. The English language is a fairly modern invention, an alloy of several dissimilar voices and words, that would make time travel in England almost impossible before 1500 AD. But history IS time travel and we try to communicate (one-way) with people in the past by trying to actually understand the fragments of documents that have survived the centuries and the society that existed at the time.

With regard to any honest discussion about WWII, which is still difficult to obtain, I am reminded of something Winston Churchill said. (He was well-regarded as an able historian, himself.)

"During wartime, the Truth is so precious that it must be protected by a body-guard of lies."

I am pretty certain the truths of WWII will never be told to the public nor will "the authorities" permit objective and plausible narratives to be discussed within earshot of the public. These "authorities" may not know the truths themselves, but they have a narrative that they intend to defend and burn anything that departs from that narrative, even if it makes a more accurate story. That seems to be the case. There is no sunset or statute of limitations on war propaganda....not for the War of the Roses, or the English Civil War, or the Napoleonic Wars, or the Boer Wars....and certainly not for either of the more recent World Wars.

Blogger JovianStorm September 23, 2019 12:06 PM  

As the Deep State seemed to be founded immediately after WW2, the most important thing to do was to blind the population of the world to the true causes of the war.

For all we know Hitler might have been the crackpot the nascent Deep State recruited but he went off the deep end and tried to hew out a Germany that would not be a part of the world order but an order all its own.

We just don't know anything, even if we've experienced it firsthand.

Blogger cecilhenry September 23, 2019 12:10 PM  

AS books like Hellstorm show, WW2 is nothing like Westerners are made to believe.


80 years on, looking at what is deliberately being done to Western nations, there's no doubt the 'official' story is a lie from start to finish.



There is no law anywhere on earth against underestimating the number of Ukrainians Stalin killed.


Meanwhile....


Another pie e of history being squelched.

Laura Ingalls Wilder (b. 1867), author of the “Little House on the Prairie” series, has been removed from a book award after activists complained her writings promoted racism and colonialism.



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44604844

Blogger Daniel September 23, 2019 12:11 PM  

FDR's "military Keynesianism" is a kill-quote.

Blogger Garuna September 23, 2019 12:13 PM  

It won't work.

I spent many of my schooling years outside the West. I learnt about many Jewish misdeeds IN CLASS. I learnt the rest online. It's just becoming increasingly hard to hide the truth, even about the most controversial issues. The world is simply too big and too well-connected.

Globos can try. But all they'll accomplish is destroy the institutions they control. We'll find or build alternatives.

Blogger Daniel September 23, 2019 12:19 PM  

Fozzy Bear, you invalidate your position entirely by directly quoting a historical narrative from the the early 20th century...

Blogger The Cooler September 23, 2019 12:30 PM  

What do we know for certain? -- that no one benefited from WWII like the Jews.

Next in line may as well be 12th.

Blogger Gen. Kong September 23, 2019 12:34 PM  

That's a massive article by Unz (over 20,000 words), which itself links to a whole series of articles about particular aspects of vanished history revolving around the Second World War. Unz has done an invaluable work just by bringing all the various authors and books to our attention. One of the more horrific things which surfaced when going through this overview was the extermination-by-starvation and disease of over a million Germans who fled to the American front in the false hope they'd be treated better than those who fell under the Red Army. The Rotten Banana Empire blamed the missing Germans on the Soviets - who of course were hardly sympathetic occupiers. When the Soviet archives were opened in the 1990s the Soviet lies about atrocities like Katyn Forest came to light. Nothing surfaced about the million missing Germans. Basically everything we've been taught in the Rotten Banana Empire for decades is a lie.

The books can often be found on the used-book sites like AddAll, Abebooks, Biblio, etc. at very reasonable prices.

Blogger Crew September 23, 2019 12:35 PM  

Don't we have Thought Police here in the FUSA? How does Ron Unz keep on getting away with such hate speech?

Both of these simple facts have been widely accepted in America throughout my entire lifetime. But combine them together with the relatively tiny size of worldwide Jewry, around 16 million prior to World War II, and the inescapable conclusion is that in per capita terms Jews were the greatest mass-murderers of the twentieth century, holding that unfortunate distinction by an enormous margin and with no other nationality coming even remotely close.

Blogger Gen. Kong September 23, 2019 12:51 PM  

Ben Freedman's speech at the Willard Hotel reveals much, and was the first thing I ever came across that actually makes sense. And as he was at the Treaty of Versailles negotiations, which observers at the time predicted, accurately, would be the CAUSE of WW2... AND he accuses his own ethnic group.... I'll believe him and his words rather than the "Germans suddenly went crazy and scapegoated (((somebody)))" narrative.

Yes, Friedman - a smallhat who converted to Christianity - basically dedicated the rest of his days to exposing the lies and evil of the Synagogue of Satan. The New York speech you reference was given in 1960 (nearly six decades ago). Obviously few listened so here we are. As the Big Bear points out, the Synagogue could not have done it alone. This in no way absolves them of moral responsibility but there are not a few who are ostensibly "Christian" who should have been excommunicated for their own part in the ongoing campaign to destroy the civilization.

Blogger pyrrhus September 23, 2019 12:55 PM  

A remarkable piece by Ron Unz...It more than confirms my often expressed opinion that Churchill was a drunken warmonger who single handedly wrecked Britain, with the connivance of a certain ethnic group.....

Blogger Avalanche September 23, 2019 12:59 PM  

OT: They're all corrupt.

https://gatesofvienna.net/2019/09/angela-merkel-stop-salvini/

German Chancellor Angela Merkel is using her clout as the most powerful political leader in the EU to try to make sure that Matteo Salvini is kept out of the Italian government, and the new M5S-PD coalition firmly established.

Merkel Promised Italy Debt Relief if Salvini Falls
by Karel Meissner September 5, 2019

Blogger Gen. Kong September 23, 2019 1:12 PM  

We need the modern equivalent of Monasteries who archive everything of history.

We do, and there are already digital archives - including an important one run by Unz himself. There's also the absolutely massive Internet archive (archive.org) which seems to be run by an oddball leftoid with libertarian bent in San Franshitsco. Internet archive has a gargantuan archive of books, audios, videos, software plus the widely-used archive of websites (the Wayback Machine). For classical music, there's IMSLP (mostly scores, going back to the middle ages - but quite a few recordings also). There's the Infogalactic alternative to Wikipedia plus other specialized archives out there as well. One can find a amazing number of things out there.

All of these (and future) archives are handicapped by the endless extension of copyright laws on behalf of the Devil Mouse and the (((usual suspects))) - a worldwide process largely pushed by the Banana Empire (including Trump's Globohomo Commerce Dept.). Most authors and other content creators have no clue about what it means to sign over their copyright to some hat-owned entity. (In the Banana Empire, unless you signed the notorious "work made for hire" scam, creator can take their copyright back after 35 years). In many cases the various owners could get a court order so that the books which they found countered the lies they've been feeding the herd of sheep for decades.

Blogger Gen. Kong September 23, 2019 1:27 PM  

Another piece of history being squelched.

Laura Ingalls Wilder (b. 1867), author of the “Little House on the Prairie” series, has been removed from a book award after activists complained her writings promoted racism and colonialism.


It does not have to be though. Here's another opportunity for someone outside of the Rotten Banana Empire or the EUSSR (not totally impossible in either but more difficult). Wilder died in 1957. Under most of the world's copyright laws, all of her published work is already free (public domain as of 2008). One could print and distribute the whole catalogue from a country like India (copyright term = life plus 60 years), China (life plus 50), Uruguay (life plus 50), almost anywhere in Africa (nearly all life plus 50), Belarus (life plus 50). Less than 10 years remain in the EUSSR (assuming the hats don't order Merkel to extend it from the present life plus 70 to life plus 100 like Mexico's before then). Rotten Banana Empire copyright terms are far more complicated - only a few titles are free (those published before 1924).

Blogger Solon September 23, 2019 1:32 PM  

@44 "Merkel Promised Italy Debt Relief if Salvini Falls"

A.K.A. the "thirty pieces of silver deal"

This "offer" is so ham-handed and rage-inducingly insulting, even suggesting it would get you knocked the hell out where I live. By me, if not by the person so appealed to.

Blogger Alexamenos September 23, 2019 1:40 PM  

"We were taught that 4 million Jewish people died at Auschwitz. We were taught that the Germans used the skin of their victims to make lampshades and human fat to make soap."

Remember when the Nazis also killed 5 million gypsies and homos and assorted freaks? Is that still a thing? Seems like I recall Trump getting scolded for bringing it up but otherwise I dont heat too much about it these days.

Blogger Nate73 September 23, 2019 1:41 PM  

The wikipedia article on Taylor has a tiny sentence tucked away in the middle where it casually mentions he lost his professorship due to that book. Without Ron Unz pointing it out I'd never have seen it. Who knew the firing and deplatforming went back all the way to WWII itself.

Blogger dienw September 23, 2019 1:44 PM  

Thanks Vox for the link. I will read it; this has been Down the Rabbit Hole Monday: what is another 100 yards down it? I've been reading all morning about the real Constitution and the fraudulent corporation of the United States, Inc.

Blogger One Deplorable DT September 23, 2019 1:47 PM  

@18 - It would be interesting to hear what GenX and the Boomers were taught in school.

GenX. I was literally taught the meme: "And then one day, for no reason at all, people elected Hitler / wanted to kill Jews / murdered millions / grew evil cartoon moustaches." All blame for WWII was laid at Germany's feet. Pretty much everything Germany did was pure evil, and almost everything the Allies did was pure good, with some slight questioning of the need for the bombing of Dresden and of the second nuke.

Of particular note: we learned nothing of the German Revolution of 1918–1919 in high school or college. Not even its existence as a footnote. I was surprised when I learned about it later.

Blogger Alexamenos September 23, 2019 1:56 PM  

GenX. I was literally taught the meme: "And then one day, for no reason at all, people elected Hitler / wanted to kill Jews / murdered millions / grew evil cartoon moustaches."
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GenX, my recollection is "weimar hyperinflation, then for no reason at all Hitler decided to kill all jews."

Blogger Goodnight September 23, 2019 2:27 PM  

Back in the early 2000s,I managed to find online a few sites with tons of first person accounts of post-Civil War Reconstruction and how awful much of it was for Southerners. Last year I looked for those same accounts as I was teaching my son the subject. They were gone - completely memory-holed.

Around the same time our local municipal and school libraries began clearing out scores of old books. In some cases they are just throwing them away.

Since then my son and I have been on a mad scramble to nab old history and references books. Anything before 1970 is worth grabbing for us, even if we don't care about the subject. I've gotten tons for free or less than a dollar. We'll figure out what to do with them later, but for now I just want to preserve them.

Blogger Katechon September 23, 2019 2:43 PM  

Thank you Vox for linking to Ron Unz's website. What a treasure it is!

Blogger Newscaper312 September 23, 2019 3:36 PM  

@50 Not sure exactly what you're referring to, but if you haven't read it, I suggest No Treason No. 6: The Constitution of No Authority by Lysander Spooner. Short book/long essay with a pretty radical late 19th century take on things.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 23, 2019 3:48 PM  

Andy Evick wrote:What does this rant have to do with anything we're discussing? Stay on topic.

You're too short for this ride.

Go back to lurking.

Blogger Andy Evick September 23, 2019 3:59 PM  

Nice attitude.

Blogger peacefulposter September 23, 2019 4:25 PM  

"A bestseller may be read by many thousands of people, but a successful film might reach tens of millions"

Hmm, I wonder who would have the balls to produce a counter-narrative movie about World War 2??

Blogger peacefulposter September 23, 2019 4:37 PM  

Reading that excellent article, I feel extremely grateful to be living at a time where alternative voices can so easily be heard. Yes FB, YT and Twitter are attempting to crack down, and sometimes successfully, but the truth is still getting out there like never before.

What a wonderful time to be alive!

Blogger Dirk Manly September 23, 2019 4:39 PM  

@18

" In the 90’s for me, they were certainly teaching @Dirk Manly’s humorous rendition of the Nazi’s turning into homicidal anti-semites, you know, just because."

That's been the narrative since at least the 1970's. And, I believe, earlier than that.

The 26-episode "World At War" documentary series, which was made by the BBC (1973-76) with narration by Laurence Olivier sells the same "Germany, for no apparent reason, suddenly started hating Jews."

Benjamin Freedman's 1961 speech at the Willard Hotel puts the lie to that narrative.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 23, 2019 4:43 PM  

@22

"What's a Han Gook doing opining on US politics"

U.S. Army soldier. 11B. I'm assuming that his father is American and his mother Korean, the product of USAK service.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 23, 2019 4:47 PM  

@23

"And over the decades, considerable evidence has accumulated that the Gas Chambers and the Jewish Holocaust—the central elements of today’s Nazi “Black Legend”—were just as fictional as all those other items."

The original gas-chamber denier was a Jewish film maker... David somebody. He had to go into hiding under an assumed name for 2 decades, because the ADL and B'nai Brith were both threatening to kill him.

He actually went to Auschwitz with a video camera and documented that the "gas chambers" were no such thing, as they weren't sealed, they locked from the INSIDE, there's no hardware for using boards to keep the door from being opened, and there's a complete lack of prussian blue (a natural by-product of the cyanide-based Zyklon neurotoxins suposedly used in the "gas chamber").

Blogger pyrrhus September 23, 2019 5:08 PM  

@62 That was David Cole, a jew, who was almost murdered by Jewish militants after exposing the Auschwitz hoax...David now writes regularly at Taki's.

Blogger justaguy September 23, 2019 5:08 PM  

Progressives have been after the schools for over a century and have now cemented their control. What they teach seems detrimental if the parents are not overly involved in cancelling the BS. School has become indoctrination and subordination for the masses.

The problem of the elites who know so much better than the rest of us--and they really have very few actual facts and a tremendous amount of propaganda. Even most of their science beyond the very basics is wrong.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 23, 2019 5:14 PM  

Dirk Manly wrote:U.S. Army soldier. 11B. I'm assuming that his father is American and his mother Korean, the product of USAK service.


Obviously you, and probably he, thought of him as a Korean.

The evils of empire. Magic Dirt fails again.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 23, 2019 5:15 PM  

justaguy wrote:What they teach seems detrimental if the parents are not overly involved in cancelling the BS.

Much easier for the parents to cut the school out entirely than to try to subvert its influence on nights and weekends.

Blogger Avalanche September 23, 2019 5:27 PM  

David Cole -- he was 'outed' by a pissed girlfriend a few years ago, after becoming somewhat well known in his assumed name as a Republican money attractor or some such. He now actually write FOR the Unz Report... Still a lot (((tribal))), but interesting nonetheless.

However, Cole was by no means the "original": In fact he was preceded by Fred Leuchter "the foremost American expert on gassing and gas chamber technology"; read here: https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p421_Weber.html. Doubt you can find Fred's book nowadays. Fred was sent in by Ernst Zundel -- a pacifist, married to a U.S. citizen who was 'kidnapped' by the U.S. govt and local PA police, shipped to Canada, thence to German prison. Check out, too, Ernst's LAWYER (an older German woman) who was ALSO jailed in Germany for speaking the illegal truth -- and the judge actually told them, in court, that the truth was no defense.

I very much recommend you try to pick up "The Hoax of the Twentieth Century: The Case Against the Presumed Extermination of European Jewry" by Northwestern University electrical engineering professor Arthur Butz-- that'll give you more than a running start on learning some truth! Pix, documents, reports... Quite the eye opener!

Oh, how much history has been "disappeared"!

Blogger Crush Limbraw September 23, 2019 5:41 PM  

History began to disappear a long time ago. Gary North wrote this two years ago: "
I have left out an important aspect of American society: the public school system. To understand what college professors wanted the American public to believe, you would have to study American textbooks at the high school level. University libraries don't have these on the shelves, either. The advantage is this: you would only have to study the work of one man, David Saville Muzzey. He wrote the American history textbook that the majority of American high school students read from 1911 at least to the mid-1960's. He did this invisibly. Parents paid no attention. The public didn't know who he was. Intellectuals didn't know who he was." I archived the whole article at - https://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/2017/09/social-history-hardest-form-of-history.html?m=0 - this jives time wise with the whole beginning of Antonio Gramsci's 'march through the institutions'.

Blogger Gettimothy September 23, 2019 6:09 PM  

Why is Unz telling the truth?

Blogger tublecane September 23, 2019 6:10 PM  

A.J.P. Taylor now has the "revisionist" tag on him. Which isn't as disqualifying as being a conspiracy theorist, but keeps you from lording it over lesser academics. It's not a bad thing as such to revise history, if your subject is WWI or Vietnam. But WWII, which is referenced constantly in our culture to this day, is fundamental to the ruling world order and as such

I was reading the NYT obituary on Taylor, and it was talking about the controversy over his WWII origin stody, and of course this was an oversimplification but all it amounted to was not blaming Hitler solely for the whole thing. Big deal.

The thing about "revision" is that what's being revised might be invalid and might be firmly rooted in reality, but almost never is it revising what people knew at the time history was happening. It's more like you have the event, then you have a story based on it, then you have a revision of the story. At least for WWII, which for a long while was officially interpreted by historians with special access to material doled out in the basis of obedience. Also, a publishing industry and a university system unkind to divergent interpretation. Heck, President Hoover had a readable memoir on the origins of the war go unpublished for decades.

Nevertheless, various books for out reminding us what a normal person in 1938 would have known about world events, for instance that it wasn't all one Austrian comic book villain failed artist politician.

Blogger Steve Samson September 23, 2019 6:10 PM  

@David Ray Milton I'm a late X/early millennial (and English) and we were taught in GCSE history about Versailles and it setting up WW2 and quite a bit about Weimar Germany, street battles with Freikorps and all that as well as Hitler's rise. It was almost sympathetic to the Germans. We didn't cover WW2 so the magic wooden doors and electric floors didn't come into it.

Blogger tublecane September 23, 2019 6:19 PM  

@34- What solidified after WWII was the National Security State/Intelligence Behemoth. However, the "state within the state" already existed. Hoover was in charge of the FBI, for instance.

McCarthy, remember, went after the State Department and the Army, not the "intelligence community."

Blogger tublecane September 23, 2019 6:24 PM  

@49- An indication Taylor still has some standing, popular or in the higher reaches of kulture. (Or both.) Look up famed British military historian J.F.C. Fuller and the article screams FASCIST! at the earliest opportunity.

Blogger Crew September 23, 2019 6:39 PM  

@69: Well, Gerard Menuhin also seems to tell the truth.

Look up: Tell the Truth & Shame the Devil

Free MOBI.

Blogger Crew September 23, 2019 6:49 PM  

Why would the Carter administration, and all subsequent ones, be afraid to enforce the Arms Export Control Act against Israel for detonating an nuke?

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/jimmy-carter-turned-blind-eye-israeli-nuclear-test-declassified-docs-reveal

/end-rhetorical-question

Blogger Up from the pond September 23, 2019 6:49 PM  

One may look up almost any of the greatest writers before WW2 and find a curious unanimity of opinion on the traditional enemy. Goethe, Dostoevsky... For example, read the latter's _A Writer's Diary_, Volume 2, March 1877. Google Books has much of it, at least for the time being.

What changed? The Black Legend was created, for one. One of the most convincing things I ever saw about that was the video "One Third of the Holocaust," about the so-called Operation Reinhard Death Camps. This video, which I don't claim is 100% accurate, having not made a study of the subject myself, made a deep impression on me. It's when I realized there was some serious wizardry going on- more serious than the online alt-reich LARPers realize or seem capable of realizing.

As for what GenX knew...I'm GenX and got the economic explanation in high school: Germans were impoverished after losing WW1, which they started, and in their desperate poverty resorted to the eternal scapegoat of all beleaguered Christians. The other theory presented or briefly mentioned was what would later be known as the Goldhagen thesis: Germans were fiends of nature, which their history of Christianity proved, and their radical evil happened to achieve political lift-off in the 1930s owing to an overly tolerant attitude toward it. Both explanations of course fit together. I asked my teacher if there were any other explanations. "Yes," he replied, "I've been giving you the Marxist (economic) explanation." Then he moved on, and I never got a good chance to ask him about the non-Marxist explanations he had so enigmatically alluded to. But this stuck in my mind.

Blogger Hammerli 280 September 23, 2019 6:51 PM  

@18: Born in the early 1960s. The Second World War wasn't much covered in our High School classes...at least not the causes. Had a course on it in college, which covered the Treaty of Versailles and its impacts.

My own analysis is that the orthodox line of Hitler being a murderous anti-Semite first, and that leading to all the problems, is nonsense. He was an anti-Communist...and considered Bolshevism to be a Jewish conspiracy. Not without some reason.

He got into power because German politics of the 1920s were divided between the Monarchists, the Social Democrats, and the Communists. The latter were pushing red revolution - blood red. The Monarchists had the will to stop them but not the political strength. The Social Democrats had the strength, but not the will.

Hitler realized he could give the Monarchists and Social Democrats each about two-thirds of what they wanted with his National Socialism...and crack the Communists over the head to general applause.

Blogger Raker_T September 23, 2019 7:02 PM  

Sorry, didn't read the comments -yet- but I just got off work, and have to finish putting a clutch in a GMC truck. But I thought you would like this:
My latest acquisition is Blackwood Magazine from 1841. I haven't had time to even skim it, but I looked inside a few places. Not only is the content interesting, but It's obvious that the pages haven't been separated in decades at least. And the content isn't a technical presentation, more like commentary on historic and contemporary events of that day. So that first separation of leaves, being the first one to open this book and look at its contents, evokes a strange and mysterious feeling. This from page 230, in a chapter about the secret societies of Asia:
...Their communities, though dispersed, and nearly powerless, still exist in Persia; and though no one hitherto appears to have advanced the theory of a connection between the present Persian Ismailis and the Indian Thugs, the coincidences which may be detected from a recapitulation of the past history of both these murderous fraternities, are so numerous and remarkable, that, as we shall endeavor to prove, they afford at least plausible grounds for supposing that the Moslem Thugs are are no other that genuine, though degraded, descendants...

Blogger Stilicho September 23, 2019 7:17 PM  

Just imagine what the (((official))) narrative will say about America after it becomes less welcoming to the tribe...

Blogger Dirk Manly September 23, 2019 7:17 PM  

@34

"
For all we know Hitler might have been the crackpot the nascent Deep State recruited but he went off the deep end and tried to hew out a Germany that would not be a part of the world order but an order all its own.

We just don't know anything, even if we've experienced it firsthand."



http://mileswmathis.com/hiller.pdf



http://mileswmathis.com/jenny.pdf


Blogger Dirk Manly September 23, 2019 7:29 PM  

@41

"How does Ron Unz keep on getting away with such hate speech?"

Just like Miles W. Mathis, he's part Jewish. But both seem to be defectors (or in Mathis's case, some of his recent ancestors defected long ago)

Blogger lynnefoghart September 23, 2019 7:34 PM  

I'm not really a skeptic or a denier on these matters; I'm just a plain ol' layman that doesn't care enough to inquire. Bbut I can say confidently that the history is in a state of extreme inaccuracy, probably because the events are still too recent and the narrative of the war is still used as the mythology to justify the existence of the post-war's neoliberal trans-atlantic hegemony.

I visited Poland for a couple weeks a few years ago. I had the chance to visit Auschwitz. I came to the conclusion that part of the problem is that a large part of the discourse is being defined by people who clearly aren't historians, clearly have never had access to primary documents/resources, and clearly don't know what they're talking about.

My tour guide impressed me as someone who had no qualifications. She was useful in giving the general history, but clearly lacked real expertise. While I did feel I learned things, she said two specific things that immediately struck me as likely inaccurate and/or based in mythology/folklore/the realm of pure speculation:

(a) She claimed that after shaving the prisoners, on some occasion they used the hair to be lining in the jackets for German officers. I immediately thought, well, that sounds like sheer nonsense. This was additionally contradicted by the literal mountains of hair that they showed us of the prisoners (as it is common in all museums to see recreations rather than original entities, it remains dubious if those hairs were actually real as the signs did not claim "original" or "recreation or "found by soviets upon capture of the camp" or anything of the sort). But putting that aside, hair is brittle, hard to handle, easily tangles, and breaks even more easily. As wartime atrocities can be absurd, perhaps one could envision this being done occasionally as a PSYOP morale-breaking technique, but she depicted it as though it were a factory-like manufacturing thing being done in a widespread manner. However, from all the museums and books I've read, I've seen a total of zero displays of "here's a Nazi uniform" with a diagram pointing out the hair-made lining. So that tidbit by the tourguide I dismissed outright as complete nonsense that I had never heard claimed by anyone before and is probably mythological jibberjabber.

(b) When we walked through one of the gas chambers that was open to the public, there were at the top openings (slots) for air; they looked kind of like what you'd see at the top of a wigwam or some sort of beginnings of a fireplace type thing. She stated that said slots were used to toss crystals into the chambers which were used in the formation of the gases. This made no sense to me. I don't know much about chemistry, but why not just use a pipeline or something of the sort to pump in already toxic gas? One could easily say the tops were like fireplaces meant to let gas out to avoid pressure-build up from said gases. The hole "crystals" thing seems so inefficient. It's possible the historians have gotten it wrong outright and are misassessing the process or have misidentified that particular chamber's actual purpose; or more likely, the tour guide, not being a historian, simply is working off of folklore rather than a genuine historical fashion and so communicated on the basis of limited factuality rather than on the basis of what the historians and researchers actually have discovered.

I would have appreciated a tour by an actual historian with direct accesses. Not a tour guide dragged off the street with no knowledge on the matter besides a predetermined party line she got from her training binder.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 23, 2019 7:36 PM  

I was born in the early '60s. Not sure what was taught in school; I was homeschooled by Greatest Gen parents. They told me that Roosevelt was aware of Pearl Harbor before it happened, and that Versailles was the cause of the rise of Hitler. From overhearing their conversations with their contemporaries, that was probably a cynical but common viewpoint of the Greatest Generation in the '70s and '80s.

Blogger RedJack September 23, 2019 7:37 PM  

The town I live in had a measles outbreak at the preschool. All the kids were vaccinated, and one was in my sweetie bears dance class. We got a nice sheet from the county stating what symptoms to look for. Still have the sheet. That little outbreak has been purged from the records. Nothing in line, and takking about it brings all sorts of crazy reactions. Online it gets you booted, in meat space screamed at by pro and anti vaxxers.

I will find the book, if only to add to my collection of banned books. However I have learned to be VERY careful in studying such things since I went down the Khazer rabbit hole and had to have some targeted conversations with people who thought I might be a nazi. Considering that my extended family has a whole odd mix, it is funny

Blogger Dirk Manly September 23, 2019 7:38 PM  

@57

"Nice attitude."

You're new here, aren't you.

I suggest you read Vox's Rules of The Blog

Blogger Dirk Manly September 23, 2019 7:44 PM  

"Obviously you, and probably he, thought of him as a Korean."

I never thought of him as Korean until absolutely spazzed out and blew a gasket over the mere mention of the word "Cuckservative"... and that was within DAYS of the word being coined. In fact, it was the day that a link to the aforementioned video was posted here on Vox's blog. It was a new enough term that Encylopedia Dramatica (the newspaper of record of Internet happenings) still didn't have a page on it yet.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 23, 2019 7:49 PM  

@82: I remember seeing, in a museum in Whitehorse, a machine which crimped horse hair to make into cushions. It made a stiff, hard padding. It would be poorly suited for jacket lining, more like felt. There was a lot of technology back then to use natural products, but that story still seems implausible. They made woolens, and felt, and they didn't use hair for clothing.

I took a tour of an old gold mine's mill. It had the ruins of a large ball mill, with some of the big iron balls sitting on the floor in front of it. The tour guide confidently informed us that the rusty balls were lead. They had to be lead, because they were heavy. Museum tour guides are generally volunteers, and too often idiots.

lynnefoghart wrote:I would have appreciated a tour by an actual historian with direct accesses.

Even historians are likely to be completely befuddled by the past, and especially by technology. I was recently in a museum in which they were displaying what they claimed was an old make and break engine. The sign gave a decent account of what it was supposed to be, but the sign was stupidly, obviously wrong, because the engine was a diesel.

A historian probably made up the story about the vents. It probably sounded plausible to him. He probably didn't have a clue how those rooms were used, or what it would have taken to use them the way he was claiming.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 23, 2019 7:51 PM  

Dirk Manly wrote:I never thought of him as Korean until absolutely spazzed out and blew a gasket over the mere mention of the word "Cuckservative"...

Obviously a cuckservative, then. I guess he remembered Mama's homeland and played the race card to avoid being honest about why he was upset?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 23, 2019 7:55 PM  

stow it Dirk.

Blogger Raker_T September 23, 2019 8:12 PM  

@87 I've done lots of restorations on 1930's era RR coaches, the roofs are insulted with horse hair mats. We're talking 75 feet long and 8 feet wide, a serious amount of horse hair. I probably have some set aside in my shop, if not, I can get some. You're right, it's OK for something mechanical and static, my impression is that it would flatten and stay that way if used elsewhere. Wolverine fur is said to be anhydrous, it repels moisture; so arctic explorers liked it. I've tried to find some unknown (to me) reason horse hair would be used, but the research has been less than fruitful. Flammability is also to be considered.

Blogger Raker_T September 23, 2019 8:16 PM  

Oh, another thought...I imagined a cartoon or meme; it showed a group of uniformed thugs bursting into a residence during a red flag raid. The leader of the group is barking orders:
"Never mind the guns! Find the history books!"

Blogger Dirk Manly September 23, 2019 8:27 PM  

@72

"McCarthy, remember, went after the State Department and the Army, not the "intelligence community."

McCarthy's list of names of the Soviet agents in the State Department CAME FROM THE ARMY. Specifically, a secret (even to President Roosecommie) radio interception and decrypt unit that focussed exclusively on radio transmissions from the Soviet Embassy. The list of names of commie agents in the State Department came directly from Venona Transmission decryptions listing Americans and other residents recruited to be agents to spy for Stalin as they were recruited -- both their plaintext names, and their codenames to be used in all following reports.

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 23, 2019 8:51 PM  

she said two specific things that immediately struck me as likely inaccurate and/or based in mythology/folklore/the realm of pure speculation

The chans have collected some great stories from the writings of Jewish survivors. They show up a lot on humor threads. Babies sewn up inside soccer balls for the soldiers to play with, Indiana Jones-style rooms with moving spikes and electrified floors, rollercoasters that dumped into gas chambers. There are some real doozies. I get the impression there was kind of a Holocaust porn thing for a while, where you could sell stories to an audience that just wanted to hear the most outlandish stories possible.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 23, 2019 8:58 PM  

@83

"They told me that Roosevelt was aware of Pearl Harbor before it happened"

1) We were reading he Japanese mail -- both the Diplomatic code and the Navy code had been broken. They were using a standard commercial telegraph encryption machine like what the Germans were using (The "Enigma" codes), but, as the Germans were doing, made their own custom circuit-rotors. All traffic was transliterated from Japanese alphabet to Roman alphabet (which means that all consonants turned into 2 characters, because in Japanese, ever consonant MUST be followed by a vowel, it's included in the form. For example, "t" in Japanese has 6 forms, ta, te, tu, ti, to, ty. (Assuming I recall correctly from the time decades ago when I was fiddling around with the Japanese language while also practicing calligraphy. Never got far with the language though.)

All of that has been known since the 1970's, as it was published in David Khan's book, "The Codebreakers", a several hundred page book about the history of the general subjects of code making and code breaking (NOT including such things as invisible inks, etc.).

How efficient were the U.S. Navy's codebreakers, who were attacking both the Navy and the diplomatic codes? Japan's Declaration of War, which was supposed to have been delivered to Roosevelt about 5 minutes before the first planes appeared over Pearl Harbor, was, instead, delivered about 5 HOURS late (because the Japanese ambassador didn't want to bother his crypto staff and typist... so he decrypted it all himself, and in hunt-and-peck manner, took several hours to finish typing it up (any decent typist, such as he had on his staff, could have done the typing job in a matter of minutes).

Meanwhile, Roosevelt had already read the complete Declaration of War, which was delivered into his hands sometime around noon, Washington D.C. time (which was approx an hour before the first planes appeared over Pearl Harbor). Which is to say, they decrypted it, re-encrypted it, sent it to Washington, D.C. (probably by telegraph cable), navy signalmen in Washington decrypted the US Navy's encryption, typed it up, and delivered it to the Whitehouse in less time than the Japanese had allotted for their embassy staff to decrypt it, type it up, and hand it to the ambassador to take to Roosevelt, to be delivered at approx 1255 hrs, Washington DC time.


2) Contrary to modern legend, the US Navy did, in fact, know where the Japanese carrier fleet was. They knew that the Japs were under radio silence. However, they didn't need radio direction-finding fixes, as several U.S. and other nationalities ocean-going vessels reported seeing the Japanese flight while at sea. Complete with time of sighting and positional fixes (presumably with sextant observations, or interpolated between known positions as determined by sextant observations).

3) Lastly, there are records in which Roosevelt says (in private) that his whole purpose is to goad Japan into attacking the U.S. (even as he was campaigning in 1940 that he was doing absolutely everything he could imagine to keep us out of a war with Japan).

Blogger Dirk Manly September 23, 2019 9:04 PM  

@87

"Even historians are likely to be completely befuddled by the past,"

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you, Egyptologists and their obviously ludicrous timeline for the Sphinx (the excavation of the enclosure has been dated by geologists as being AT LEAST 10,000 years ago -- water erosion. Robert Stoch, Prof at MIT) and the pyramids which somehow go from the great achievement of the Giza pyramids, and somehow each generation produces cruder and cruder structures.... uh.... no).

Blogger Valley Forge Patriot September 23, 2019 9:05 PM  

The victors invariably write the history books. Given what is happening, I think our side has already lost....

Blogger Lazarus September 23, 2019 9:10 PM  

A.J.P. Taylor published a magazine called History of the 20th Century. I have a full set that was going to be culled from the local library. Mrs. Lazarus saved them from destruction.

Copies can be found online.

I am about to reread MUNICH: Anatomy of a Crisis & on The Brink of War by A.J.P Taylor.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 23, 2019 10:23 PM  

"Given what is happening, I think our side has already lost...."

No, it's called jumping the gun or extending reach beyond grasp.

Blogger Crew September 23, 2019 10:35 PM  

It's amazing how quickly the NSDAP went from 3% support to 90% support. Now I understand what Vox has been saying for a while now:

https://archive.is/b0Cew/b9c7183a00c4c67fa2a6e0d34bb4e1d914bf3c04.jpg

Blogger Poco September 23, 2019 11:13 PM  

Taylor wrote a good book about Bismarck as well.

Blogger Bernard Korzeniewicz September 24, 2019 2:02 AM  

@99
... NSDPA rised because of money. I.E . In 1932 they spend on the campaign the 60% of Germany whole advertising market.

NSDAP had the massive Wall Street support.

Blogger Bernard Korzeniewicz September 24, 2019 2:11 AM  

@Dirk Manly

You of course know that lies on the WWII are piled to bury that it was planned at last since 1919 by <>. Imagine in the Polish-Soviet war of 1919-20 "someone" paid for whole air squadron of _American_ planes and pilots fighting for Poles. My country, Poland, had it's "Flying Tigers" 20 years earlier....
https://infogalactic.com/info/Ko%C5%9Bciuszko%27s_Squadron

Blogger James G. September 24, 2019 4:49 AM  

@87 and @90 - horsehair

I got a half-bespoke Saville Row suit about 10 years ago. Horse hair lining (felt of some sort, I guess, given its stiffness) in the chest to maintain its shape. I was told by the cutter that to be properly considered bespoke it had to have the horse hair lining. Half-bespoke meaning just the chest, full-bespoke for the whole front of the suit jacket.

Nowadays, though, bespoke just means made to measure.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 24, 2019 6:56 AM  

Scamazon has on TV some what appears to be unedited propaganda film from the Eastern Front. I assume that because it had an unflattering blurb about Jewish Bolshies like you would read on Anglin that would get 1 billion global likes and then a bit later a clip about awarding an Iron Cross to an enlisted man by the name of Goldberg. I'm not joking.

Blogger Jerry27 September 24, 2019 8:26 AM  

"Anyone here read Freedom Betrayed, Herbert Hoover's history of WWII?"

A homeschooling neighbor passed this book around after I recomended it to him. Part of the book's charm was that Hoover asked it be published 50 years after his death.

thanks

Blogger Станислав Бартошевич September 24, 2019 8:29 AM  

Among other things, he persuasively argued that the German war-guilt was somewhat less than that of most of the other participants, also noting that despite the endless propaganda of “Prussian militarism,” Germany had not fought a major war in 43 years, an unbroken record of peace considerably better than that of most of its adversaries. Moreover, a secret military agreement between Britain and France had been a crucial factor in the unintended escalation, and even so, nearly half the British Cabinet had come close to resigning in opposition to the declaration of war against Germany, a possibility that which would have probably led to a short and limited conflict confined to the Continent.

As soon as I’ve read this piece of utter nonsense, I’ve realized that the author is not in the position to talk about "preserving history" or whatever, and rest of the article has nothing of value, because he is too ignorant to tell the truth from bullshit on the issues he dares to talk about.

The issue of origins of WWI has been in fact settled before WWII, by Albertini (though most of the basic facts were established even earlier, as early as immediate post-war polemics, such as the Delbruk-Kautsky dispute), to whose foundational work the subsequent authors added relatively little. And it goes as follows:

(1) Shooting war was decided on July 6-7 in Berlin, after that only the question how many countries will get involved remained.

(2) By the most generous possible interpretation of German government’s motives, they hoped to achieve a diplomatic coup by making Russia back off with naked threats (that was by the way the fourth case of Germany issuing veiled or not-so-veiled war threats to Russia in six years), in full understanding that this can quite probably cause a war, that, thanks to their war plan, to which they had no alternatives, will automatically involve not only Russia, but France and neutral Belgium.

(3)They did so based on firm conviction that England will remain neutral, therefore all arguments about their “fear of encirclement” by a hostile coaltion are nothing more than post-factum wartime propaganda.

(4)Nothing that English politicians could realistically have said or done might have prevented the war, particularly as German and Austro-Hungarian governments operated in bad faith, pretending to listen to English proposals for meditation between Austro-Hungary and Serbia, while the war was already decided. They only choice was to indeed keep neutrality, and be left to face the undisputed European hegemon, the situation preventing which was the consistent idea behind English foreign policy since 17th century (the fact that Germany was clearly and unyieldingly intent on challenging English naval dominance did not help), or to join the anti-German coalition.

Blogger rcocean September 24, 2019 3:10 PM  

Didn't see any "VD comments" and I skipped all the others. Too many nutters when WW2 is involved. Anyhoo, Taylor was a Labour supporter and VERY Left-wing. Also Anti-American. His book on the Origins of WW2 is interesting, but like many OxBridge types favors the clever phrase and the quip over solid fact. As for John Flynn, he wrote "The Roosevelt Myth" which for 30 years was the only anti-Roosevelt Biography.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 24, 2019 11:42 PM  

@102

The only thing I know about the Russo-Polish war is this:
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/11111/red-starwhite-eagle-russo-polish-war-1920 by Games Designer Workship

and the updated version
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/233018/red-starwhite-eagle-russo-polish-war-1920-designer by Compass Games


Unfortunately, I have yet to get my hands on either version.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 25, 2019 12:14 AM  

@106

"
(1) Shooting war was decided on July 6-7 in Berlin, after that only the question how many countries will get involved remained."


That is absolutely ridiculous.

Tsar Nicholas has already created an international conflict when he sent Russian troops down to Yugoslavia to protect the "little brothers" (the Serbs)

Now, mind you, I have no problem with Nicholas doing that. But don't kid yourself. WW1 was started by Russia, not Germany.

This triggered Germany's mutual defense pact with Austria-Hungarian Empire.

In the late 1800's, or early 1900's, the German General Staff had spent over a year coming up with 3 large scale general mobilization plans which would involve most or all of the reserves. One was for an Eastern Front mobilization, one for a Western Front mobilization, and a Two Front mobilization. These involved intricately interlocking railroad schedules, and were extremely inflexible during the initial weeks of these plans. (The Germans were the only country which really paid attention to the American Civil War, and studied it, while all other countries wrote it off as "two armed mobs," not understanding the lesson of the importance of railroads, even after Germany had demonstrated it with their quick victory in the Franco-Prussion war).


Knowing that France and Russia had a mutual defense pact, when Kaiser Wilhelm told the General Staff to execute a mobilization, they executed the Two Front mobilization. When the Kaiser found out, to his horror, that troops were being sent to both the borders with French & Belgium, as well as to the Eastern border, he was horrified, and told the General Staff to halt it immediately. Someone (I forget who) replied. "It's too late now. The trains can't be turned back. You may have wanted a one-front war, but a two-front war is what you will get."

Now, when I first read of that, I thought it meant that the General who said it was saying that it was too late to stop the mobilization schedule to avoid a 2-front war. Obviously, that's silly, as the troops could have stayed inside Germany, and never swept through Belgium and eastern France.

But later, it occurred to me that the Generals meant that, once German forces were committed to fighting Russian troops, then Germany would have NO CHOICE but to fight a two-front war, because France would immediately invade from the west. And the saying that the best defense is a good offense doesn't only apply to football, but also to land warfare. So, the General Staff wasn't going to sit around waiting for the Western Front to be invaded (which France would have done), but instead, invaded France, so, at the very least, the fighting would be in France, not Germany.

So did Germany start World War I? Nope.

Did Germany substantially widen the war? Not really. There would have been western front regardless of whether the General Staff had executed the Eastern Front mobilization or the Two Front mobilization.

And if you blame Germany for getting involved when they didn't have to, then likewise, the same can be said of the British. And the Turks. And the Italians.

Blogger Станислав Бартошевич September 26, 2019 10:32 AM  

Tsar Nicholas has already created an international conflict when he sent Russian troops down to Yugoslavia to protect the "little brothers" (the Serbs)

This is some alternate reality shit.

Now, mind you, I have no problem with Nicholas doing that. But don't kid yourself. WW1 was started by Russia, not Germany.

Germany made the entire July Crisis into a crisis, instead of relatively minor incident, by not merely greenlighting Austrian actions but persistently urging Vienna to attack Serbs when a negotiated redress from Serbia was obviously possible.

Germany had a war plan that not only presumed an immediate attack on France in case of a conflict with Russia, but, more importantly, made pan-European war 100% inevitable from the moment German mobilization starts, because its essence was in the speed of actions, which, despite what Germany apologists say or imply by accusing Russia of starting the war, because Russia declared mobilization first (which is rubbish in any case, as German moblization was decided the evening before receiving news of that), was a feature unique to Germany. Your assertion that Germany had multiple moblization schedules depending on the configuration of enemies is flatly wrong. And Wilhelm II, if we return from your alternate reality to our world, was perfectly aware what war plan his country actually had. Moltke the Younger believed that any deviation from Schliffen's plan, the sole plan Germany had prepared, and its demands to immediately attack France, was categorically impossible, or so he wrote post-factum, and generals responsible for mobilization believed that they could have pulled a switch to the East off on the fly, or so they wrote post-factum, but hell, even if we accept Moltke's narrative which smells of an attempt to excuse his failure as a commander, said switch to the East was only seriously considered for less than 12 hours, and only thanks to inadverent confusion in diplomatic messages.

Germany first declared war on another major power, the move that even hardcase apologists of the Wilhelmine government bemoaned as a reckless and bellicose blunder during the post-war German finger-pointing, I mean, discussions on what led Germany to disaster.

Germany first invaded other countries including neutral ones.

In a sane world that makes Germany the country that started the world war, although in purely technical terms Austro-Hungary started shooting first.

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