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Saturday, September 21, 2019

They are coming for the geniuses

Jack Baruth addresses the ongoing cultural defenestration of Richard Stallman:
The idea of truly free software given to the world for humanitarian purposes would not exist without Stallman. He was the only person who ever had the thought. Which means it is more radical than calculus, heavier-than-air flight, the theory of relativity, or the atomic bomb. It took someone with Stallman’s particular blend of Promethean IQ and mentally handicapped social skills to push it all the way to reality. You live in Richard Stallman’s world, whether you like it or not. He has had more influence on how we communicate in 2019 than any other single human being currently living. Any sane society would consider him a national treasure of greater importance than Fort Knox, to be cherished and protected accordingly.

Naturally, our society has decided to crucify him. A young woman with an axe to grind has instigated a lynch mob through an astoundingly ill-conceived and illogical bit of emotionally dependent rhetoric:

There are so many things wrong with what Richard Stallman said I hardly know where to begin…

She totally can’t even!

There is nothing I have seen a man in tech do that a woman could not. What’s more, the woman would probably be less egotistical and more team-oriented about it.

This is how you know the author is a mental child. Any of us “could do” many things. I could have written any song, novel, or movie screenplay that has appeared between 1982 and now. Except I didn’t. The Egyptians could have invented the airplane and the laser and the K-cup coffee maker, but they didn’t. Only children deal in potential. Adults deal in reality.

Also, I hate to tell her this, and its embarrassing that I should be the one to lecture an MIT graduate on this, but teams are for normies, for neurotypicals, for trash people who can’t retain multiple levels of variable dereferencing in their heads while coding. Teams do not accomplish, and have never accomplished, anything of genuine intellectual value.

The history of scientific progress is a history of individuals. Yes, you need a “team” to actually assemble the atomic bomb or the Intel Itanium or a commercial software product. You don’t need a team to conceive it and do the mental heavy lifting. The effective IQ of a team is the same as the lowest IQ in the team; the productivity of the team is a minor percentage of the productivity you could get from its smartest member working alone. Every once in a while you will see one brilliant person be inspired by another brilliant person in the near vicinity. This happens once for every hundred million times a “team” crushes the abilities of its members.
Richard Stallman is, by all normal human standards, a complete lunatic. He also happens to be a genuine genius. And more to the point, by every sane human standard, Richard Stallman has done nothing wrong. While I think his postulations concerning possible defenses of Marvin Minsky's alleged behavior are both a) incorrect and b) irrelevant, there is nothing remotely questionable or surprising about his formulating and expressing them.

Can you even imagine Richard Stallman being courted and corrupted by Jeffrey Epstein? That not only stretches the bounds of credibility, it's got the potential to be a hilarious comedy sketch.

Epstein: Hey, Richard, do you like to party? I know some nice girls who would like to meet you.

Stallman: I would not be happy at a party. Especially not if it's raining. You have a big face. Do you have a parrot?

Epstein: Um, no....

Stallman: Go away! Go away now!

But this isn't a comedy sketch, it is today's ugly reality.

On September 16, 2019, Richard M. Stallman, founder and president of the Free Software Foundation, resigned as president and from its board of directors.

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165 Comments:

Blogger Skyler the Weird September 21, 2019 8:57 AM  

Team is just SJWease for Committee. Like a camel is a Horse designed by a Team or The Team of Public Safety.

Blogger Silent Draco September 21, 2019 9:05 AM  

And normies wonder why everything breaks down. You can't have and keep nice things when you stone the genius that makes these things.

Her name is now Alice Gorithm DeCay.

Blogger TheMaleRei September 21, 2019 9:06 AM  

It is a humbling realization that while it's the rank and file normie average intelligent people to 'make things work' with maintaining things, etc - it is the geniuses and intellectual revolutionaries that advance medicine, science, technology, etc.

And the number of people who have demonstrably improved the human condition are a tiny percentage compared to the vast swarm of humanity as a whole...

Blogger Zaklog the Great September 21, 2019 9:15 AM  

Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.

This is known as "bad luck."


Robert Heinlein is proved right again. Reading The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress now. Fascinating book, and seems like it might function as a manual for our times. His ideas about sexuality and family are a bit off-kilter, but other than that, he's brilliant.

Blogger JG September 21, 2019 9:20 AM  

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Blogger JG September 21, 2019 9:25 AM  

This SJW with the nym Selam G is going to go through life knowing her sole "accomplishment" was the destruction of the man who created the most important computing infrastructure in the history of mankind.

Congrats, Selam G, on your fifteen seconds of fame.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 21, 2019 9:27 AM  

I got a kick out of VD's imaginary dialog between a Newtonesque Omega Stallman and Epstein, and thought maybe he was tuned into GG, but then I got to the end and was disappointed to see that Stallman had never read SJWAL.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 21, 2019 9:27 AM  

We are just lucky that women especially our spoiled white women consider indoor plumbing and other consumer luxuries as status symbols. If for some reason women especially white women felt that shitting in the woods sans toilet was the apex of status we would all be tasked with burning it down lead of course by conservative goobers jabbering about "The conservative case for the primitive" and "buy my latest book thru Regenery."

Blogger Nikolai Collushnikov September 21, 2019 9:34 AM  

True. Men trying to keep women happy is the primary reason civilization exists.

Blogger Gregory the Great September 21, 2019 9:40 AM  

Never hire anybody who says in their CV "excellent team worker". It just means they cannot make the most basic decision on their own.

Blogger Brett baker September 21, 2019 9:41 AM  

So you put Stallman in a room by himself and see what he comes up with. Don't let him hang around with normies.

Blogger wreckage September 21, 2019 9:46 AM  

"What’s more, the woman would probably be less egotistical and more team-oriented about it."

Absolutely, totally false. As we have seen repeatedly over the last twenty years, the worst team players and the most strident egotists are over, not under, 50% likely to be female. More especially in large, complex teams, as the percentage of females approaches 100%, so do the chances of catastrophic team failure.

Blogger tublecane September 21, 2019 9:51 AM  

"There is nothing I have seen a man in tech do that a woman could not"

What, like theoretically? I suppose a woman could theoretically run as fast as Usain Bolt, if a hurricane-force wind propelled her.

Blogger Joe Smith September 21, 2019 9:54 AM  

“There is nothing I have seen a man in tech do that a woman could not. What’s more, the woman would probably be less egotistical and more team-oriented about it.”

Every non-moron man face-palms reading that.

@Zaklog Heinlein also has a great quote where one of his characters (I think in Time Enough for Love?) says that a committee is just an entity with at least six legs and no brain. Nails it, as usual.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 21, 2019 9:59 AM  

"women are better team players"

A good counter-argument: Which sex routinely breaks up with their best friends, and which sex sees that behavior as flat-out weird?

Blogger Michael September 21, 2019 9:59 AM  

Just FYI: Eric S. Raymond knows Stallman pretty well and thinks him falling into Epstein's trap is plausible:
http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8456&cpage=1#comment-2281968

Blogger VFM #7634 September 21, 2019 10:13 AM  

@Michael

Considering the context - an SJW point-and-shriek on Twitter - it looks more like the recent Quinncide than anything having to do with Epstein.

Blogger Brick Hardslab September 21, 2019 10:14 AM  

He's unique but we all have the same weaknesses that God gave Adam.

Blogger Nate September 21, 2019 10:16 AM  

" teams are for normies, for neurotypicals, for trash people who can’t retain multiple levels of variable dereferencing in their heads while coding. Teams do not accomplish, and have never accomplished, anything of genuine intellectual value."

BOOM.

This. a thousand times this. The team concept was invented to give those who can't produce a place to hide

Blogger Garuna September 21, 2019 10:16 AM  

It's so lame that some men will tolerate bad behavior from women until things escalate this much. Bitches like these should be checked and checked quickly.

Blogger Silent Draco September 21, 2019 10:21 AM  

wreckage is too much of an optimist. I peg the number as 20%. Saw too many excellent ideas killed by this. Decided to quietly destroy every female dominated resume-building project I could, while not leaving fingerprint, for reasons noted or implied above. Female managers ruin as a power law of their org level. Best not to let them get up on the curve.

Blogger Garuna September 21, 2019 10:25 AM  

Female preference for teamwork and equality is such fake news.

Women LOVE being elevated to "KWEEN" status and treated as superior to others. Many think they were Cleopatra in a previous life and should be treated like a Cleopatra in this one.

They only hate elevation of one above others if it's being done to some other female. That's when they become big fans of equality. Behind all the highfalutin rhetoric is the same of bitter jealousy and self-absorption that any experienced man expects from wammen.

Blogger SciVo September 21, 2019 10:26 AM  

Why do people resign? What purpose does it serve?

Blogger tuberman September 21, 2019 10:27 AM  

This is more of the same, or turning the heat up too fast. The insanity has no bottom.

This nut-ball fem and her ilk will cause the frog to jump out of the pot before it boils. This is happening all over now, and there will be a strong blow-back first against the hideous stuff with Planned Parenthood, but then it will spread.

Witches under their own spells.

Blogger Crew September 21, 2019 10:29 AM  

Stallman, scratching his crotch: Go away! Go away now!

I have seen him standing on a stage pontificating about something while scratching his crotch.

Blogger tuberman September 21, 2019 10:30 AM  

23. SciVo

He has never read SJWAL, so does not know better?

Blogger justthinkin September 21, 2019 10:36 AM  

She seems to have gotten one thing right: MIT does not deserve its women.

Blogger Rick September 21, 2019 10:41 AM  

You could say slavery in the south was team building.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 21, 2019 10:41 AM  

"I have seen him standing on a stage pontificating about something while scratching his crotch."

Okay, so maybe he does go visit working girls after all. Or else simply has crabs.

Blogger VD September 21, 2019 10:43 AM  

Why do people resign? What purpose does it serve?

To stop the feeling of being overwhelmed by the negative social pressure. To stop, or at least relieve, the social pressure.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 21, 2019 10:45 AM  

So Stallman an autist falls, rather easily, but in that fecalhole state of MA one edgelord posts a .01 cent piece of paper posing what amounts to a question of the meeting of feminism and Islam and our lil queens are having a million dollar meltdown.

Blogger Nate September 21, 2019 10:48 AM  

the play here appears to be to run this chick out of the field for ableism

Blogger Karhu September 21, 2019 10:57 AM  

This total disdain for teams of any sort, including the productive ones with a strong leader like Stallman, as opposed to teams as comittees under the thumb of an HR deparment or a Code of Conduct and Internet mobs for FOSS, probably explains why the dissident Right isn't getting hardly as much accomplished as the Left still does. Stallman's an extreme communist lefty, but he's willing to work with anyone who agree with his goals, and his teams and the Linux teams have created a large fraction of today's software technology.

This came with the seeds of its destruction, since humans inevitably get into virtue spirals that the Left has no way of stopping short of a violent coup or civil war, instead of, say, a monarch's targeted execution of the leaders of a spiral, but the mostly Leftist FOSS movement did create some amazing things while it was, and for the short remaining time still is a going concern.

Blogger Section 8A September 21, 2019 11:19 AM  

Serendipitously, my copy of "Milo Chronicles" just showed up.

Blogger Mike Wallens September 21, 2019 11:20 AM  

Stallman's website shows him to be a leftist nut. So we have one of the chosen, Baruth defending another chosen, Stallman, for defending another chosen Minsky (also pervert).

Blogger Dirk Manly September 21, 2019 11:22 AM  

@11

"So you put Stallman in a room by himself and see what he comes up with. Don't let him hang around with normies."

He WAS in a room by himself, into which he invited a few brilliant people. Then the normies invaded his organization.

Shades of Brendan Eich & Mozilla. at work here.

Blogger Trippa September 21, 2019 11:32 AM  

These people are nuts. They would have tried to "cancel" Nikola Tesla or Howard Hughes.

Blogger Doktor Jeep September 21, 2019 11:34 AM  

Stallman is a perfect example of an Omega.
And he has demonstrated how brutally cold logic and honesty, something an Omega is capable of but mainly in their own matters, is so anthithetical to the world of the gammas that to surface with it makes you a target for every gamma virtue signaller, backbiter, bowtie, and screeching harpy.
It does not even matter what the subject is.
With gammas women want to hide the eggs so to speak. With omegas they want to be in the mob that stones him to death.
This best to keep ones mouth shut and turn ideas into action. Fight evil. Do great work. Die nameless.

Blogger Welsh Woodsman September 21, 2019 11:36 AM  

Just like middle management is where all mediocre talent goes to "die" , so teams are where shitty ideas are given the approval of consensus.

Blogger RedJack September 21, 2019 11:38 AM  

I led female teams. Back biting, pettiness, and total disfunction until you come in and law down the law. They all hate you and work against you, but at least then they might do something productive

Blogger Gregory the Great September 21, 2019 11:39 AM  

Stallman's accuser should be hired to improve the user experience of Youtube's streaming software

Blogger Welsh Woodsman September 21, 2019 11:39 AM  

"With omegas they want to be in the mob that stones him to death."

Until he morphs into a Sigma whereupon they secretly want to screw his brains out.

Blogger spinoza September 21, 2019 11:40 AM  

To be called human is to be on the left wingers team.

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 21, 2019 11:43 AM  

I've been using Emacs daily since the early 90s. I don't necessarily like Stallman, but I have no doubt that he's a genius.

When I heard Stallman's quotes, I thought: he sounds like one of those sperges who always diverts conversations about legit pedophilia into arguing over whether a man should go to jail for courting a 17-year-old. It's not that he's wrong; it's that he can't read a room to save his life.

As far as Epstein goes, the media is trying to limit the Epstein story to post-pubescent girls who willingly worked as masseuses, to maintain a narrative that he was just shaving a couple years off the age limit, not running a full-service sex-trafficking ring. They'll run with any story that supports that idea by focusing on girls in the almost-18 range.

Lots of good stuff in that article beyond this bit, by the way. The topic of how bad computing is getting seems to be a growing one.

Blogger Karhu September 21, 2019 11:52 AM  

@38 Doktor Jeep

"Stallman is a perfect example of an Omega."

He's had way more than "< 2" lifetime voluntary sexual partners, nothing in the definition except "sometimes creepy" and "often clueless" fits him. He's much closer to a Sigma, but with something that doesn't fit into the hierarchy, or a blend of that and Omega. The rules are probably a bit different for true geniuses like him.

Blogger Nikolai Collushnikov September 21, 2019 12:01 PM  

If nothing else, Stallman wrote EMACS.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 21, 2019 12:14 PM  

@Karhu

His reaction to being pointed-and-shrieked-at, together with his own SJW tendencies, conclusively nixes the Sigma theory, along with the fact that guys who know him even suspect he could be vulnerable to an Epstein trap.

The " < 2 voluntary sexual partners" applies to the average Omega, but not a King Omega like him - at least a King Omega with a sex drive - in the same way King Gamma Harvey Weinstein did better than the average Gamma.

Blogger Difster September 21, 2019 12:16 PM  

Stallman in his own words -- "I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing."

Here's the link, get it before it's scrubbed.

And the archive.is link for posterity.

Blogger binks webelf September 21, 2019 12:21 PM  

Mr. Stallman has some creepy notions about pedophilia. Of course, nobody knows if he ever tried to act out his ideas or not.

Search the following directly relevant list of his quotes for the pedophilia comments.

en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman

Blogger Gen. Kong September 21, 2019 12:24 PM  

It's way past time for another witch-burning in Massachusetts. The denizens of Wokeunduh are looking more like Madame Mao's red guards from the Cultural Revolution every day. Not only have they come for Richard Stallman, they've come for Ben Carson as well (for saying something less than flattering about trannies). Hell, they've even come for Mozart for the crime of "punching down against marginalized groups, like Sultans" (as Sailer put it so nicely).

Blogger maniacprovost September 21, 2019 12:28 PM  

I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children

He is only following heathen Carousel Culture to its logical conclusion.

Blogger Max Lybbert September 21, 2019 12:29 PM  

Stallman used to have some kind of running joke about flower-nose sex ( https://stallman.org/articles/texas.html ). I don’t think that Epstein or Minsky were ever that perverse.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 21, 2019 12:31 PM  

Follow the links.

Read the comments.

Understand why the good take delight in the death of the wicked.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 21, 2019 12:35 PM  

"Men trying to keep women happy is the primary reason civilization exists."

Bullshit. Men being men is the primary reason civilization exists. Women are the primary reason men do hard work.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 21, 2019 12:40 PM  

"Just FYI: Eric S. Raymond knows Stallman pretty well and thinks him falling into Epstein's trap is plausible"

That nice, and irrelevant. He was attacked on a logically sound statement. We can prevaricate about why he cared enough to make any statement at all, but the statement is still sound.

"This is more of the same, or turning the heat up too fast. The insanity has no bottom.

This nut-ball fem and her ilk will cause the frog to jump out of the pot before it boils."


I expect to see harems again before it's over at this rate. Both because so many soyboys died and because nothing less could possibly be a fitting punishment for the women involved.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( Honkeys genocided poor, innocent little Smallpox, it was anuddah Shoah!, WhiteManBad ) September 21, 2019 12:41 PM  

23. SciVo September 21, 2019 10:26 AM
Why do people resign? What purpose does it serve?



MIT is ( justifiably ) getting a lot of heat right now over their Epstein connections.

MIT probably told Stallman to resign and keep his pension/benefits or they would fire him and he'd get nothing.

and, actually, if you read Stallman's letter, Richard never even said that Minsky didn't commit a crime.

he was just reacting to the characterization of whatever did / not happen as "assault".

does a john commit "assault" when he solicits prostitution from a street walker? absurd. yet it's still a crime, regardless of the fact that she is visually and verbally advertising her services.

amusingly, i'm not sure Stallman would have been much happier had the legally accurate term been applied to Minsky; statutory RAPE.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 21, 2019 12:48 PM  

The religion of envy in a nutshell.

Blogger maniacprovost September 21, 2019 12:53 PM  

I expect to see harems again before it's over ... a fitting punishment for the women involved.

Punishment? That's their life's goal. Taking turns banging the alpha male, gossiping, and being served by eunuchs.

Blogger Bert September 21, 2019 12:56 PM  

Max Lybbert:
"Stallman used to have some kind of running joke about flower-nose sex ( https://stallman.org/articles/texas.html )."

"Rhinophytonecrophilia". At least the linked text shows that Stallman has a sense of humour.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 21, 2019 1:09 PM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:We are just lucky that women especially our spoiled white women consider indoor plumbing and other consumer luxuries as status symbols. If for some reason women especially white women felt that shitting in the woods sans toilet was the apex of status ...

That's not luck, that's mosquitoes. Mosquitoes and baring bottoms to pee are God's providence to force women to want indoor plumbing.

Nate wrote:The team concept was invented to give those who can't produce a place to hide

There is a need for individual accomplishment. That's where leaders come in. There is also a need for groups of people to do what the leader tells them. That's where teams and managers come in.

Teams to shut up and do what they're told, managers to get them what they need and have them doing the right thing, leaders to direct the managers. Those are three very different skill sets, and we need many of each.

Genius is a fourth skill set. The world needs just a few geniuses, perhaps one or two in each field in each generation.

Azure Amaranthine wrote:I expect to see harems again before it's over at this rate. ...because nothing less could possibly be a fitting punishment for the women involved.

These are women we're talking about; feral and irretrievably damaged, but still women. Being forcibly kept out of the harems because they are toxic, forced to live and die alone, would be far more painful punishment, and far better deterrence for the others.

Blogger TheGhostlyOne September 21, 2019 1:15 PM  

When they resign or apologize it’s so damn depressing. How can you not want revenge?

It’s always worthless idiots like myself. With nothing to lose who fight these freaks. Maybe that’s why.

I hope he avenges himself thoroughly.

Blogger Nate September 21, 2019 1:27 PM  

"There is a need for individual accomplishment. That's where leaders come in. There is also a need for groups of people to do what the leader tells them. That's where teams and managers come in. "

in coding... you don't need two people collaborating on the same thing. That's dumb. You take your "team" and you give each an individual project to get done.

That's the way it should work. it doesn't work that way because to many people on the teams can't actually code. so they pretend to code and leach off those that can.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl September 21, 2019 1:30 PM  

She's a lying dolt. Lying to not only us, but herself. Women are, by far, the most narcissistic & egotistical beings ever known to man.
We expect high praise when we accomplish the very basic tasks required for being a functioning adult & even we didn't.

Blogger carnaby September 21, 2019 1:34 PM  

Baruth's piece is good but he misses the mark on the 737 Max. While Boeing is stupid to outsource much of it's programming to India, they still do most if not all of the flight code here in the USA, and all of that had precisely nothing to do with the two 737 Max accidents, which were the result of pilot error.

Blogger cyrus83 September 21, 2019 1:36 PM  

It's not that teams can't work, it's that the SJW vision of a team - some sort of socialist utopia wherein everyone is an equal and everyone shares the credit or blame equally - works about as well as real socialism, people live down to the lowest common denominator and genius and talent are stifled.

The only reason these kind of teams work at all in school is that the smartest guy in the group usually does most or all of the work to carry his fellow deadweights across the finish line so he won't fail the project. In the corporate SJW world, there usually isn't a reward for going above and beyond other than a scolding from a higher up about not being a team player.

A functional team is one with a clear, competent leader at the top, with the team there to help him realize his vision. Everyone on the team has to be competent at their assigned roles and know what their role is. It functions more like a kingdom or a dictatorship than a democracy. Input may be solicited, but ultimately the leader calls all the shots.

Blogger NewTunesForOldLogos September 21, 2019 2:17 PM  

Ayn Rand, among others, knew that decades ago, and she wasn’t even that bright.

Blogger Shimshon September 21, 2019 2:27 PM  

As if on cue, the NY Times helpfully informs of the hot new trend in tech...

Silicon Valley Goes to Therapy
Bummed out by the world and their role in it, tech workers are seeking help — and founding some start-ups along the way.


You've all heard of the "10x coder," of which Stallman, when he codes, probably qualifies, if not 100x.

Well, get a load of the 10x therapist.

“The best therapists get you better 10x faster than average ones,” promises one such start-up, Kip. “We took world-class providers, supercharged them (and you) with our smart software tools, and designed a seamless experience for both clients and providers.” Another recent venture, Reflect, calls therapy “the gym for your soul.”

Blogger Shimshon September 21, 2019 2:28 PM  

Coming soon, the rehab app. Paging Jordan Peterson.

Blogger maniacprovost September 21, 2019 2:41 PM  

On a more serious note, I don't think the concept of free software is a unique revolutionary invention. But I will acknowledge the UHIQ of any lisp guru until demonstrated otherwise.

Blogger Scott September 21, 2019 2:43 PM  

A man builds the tallest skyscrapper in the world. The man invites his friend to the roof to show off the view. The friend, impressed, invites his feminist girlfriend over. The feminist screams, "A woman could build a better one!" as she pushes the first man off the roof to his death.

The last words he hears are his friends virtue signaling.

Blogger Shimshon September 21, 2019 2:49 PM  

@69 I agree. Richard Stallman is unquestionably a genius, and his contribution to computers and software is probably inestimable, but he too stands on the shoulders of the giants who preceded him, and his free software manifesto largely codified an ethos that was developed and nurtured by those who came before him.

Blogger tublecane September 21, 2019 3:04 PM  

@58- I am of the opinion that mannerbund drives civilization. If it were based on what attracts women, the whole world would be black culture, in which layabouts with ridiculous clothes get girls to work for them.

Blogger Jack Amok September 21, 2019 3:18 PM  

The idea of truly free software given to the world for humanitarian purposes would not exist without Stallman. He was the only person who ever had the thought.

Baruth needs to stop giving Stallman a tongue bath.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 21, 2019 3:20 PM  

@carnaby

It's possible we're increasingly importing pilots like we are doctors. Schooling for both jobs is prohibitively expensive and kept artificially scarce.

Blogger Karhu September 21, 2019 3:30 PM  

@47 VFM #7634:

@Karhu

"His reaction to being pointed-and-shrieked-at, together with his own SJW tendencies, conclusively nixes the Sigma theory"

The "socio-sexual" part of the hierarchy has to be dispositive or the theory is worthless. How you think he'll act in a mostly unrelated situation is irrelevant, or that you can label any lefty as having "SJW tendencies". Factor in that he's 66 and this threatens the cause of his life, for over half his life, he started his crusade 36 years ago.

"along with the fact that guys who know him even suspect he could be vulnerable to an Epstein trap."

esr doesn't know at all; he makes authorative statements like that a lot, it's the one legitimate reason he's hated.

"The " < 2 voluntary sexual partners" applies to the average Omega, but not a King Omega like him - at least a King Omega with a sex drive"

"Omegas are either totally indifferent to women or hate them with a borderline homicidal fury."

There's no such thing as a "King-Omega with a sex drive" that matches him. Whereas he ticks off every every item in the Sigma description except maybe optional second half of "Sigmas like women, but tend to be contemptuous of them." Reflecting on it more he's a Sigma with an extreme Blue and Orange Morality. I'm not even sure he's "autistic", a lot of his outrageous behavior is based on that morality while knowing what's considered normal, he just doesn't agree with it.

Blogger SciVo September 21, 2019 3:31 PM  

VD wrote:To stop the feeling of being overwhelmed by the negative social pressure. To stop, or at least relieve, the social pressure.

Thank you for the serious answer. I don't experience social pressure the way normal people do, so I was genuinely confused.

Blogger VD September 21, 2019 3:43 PM  

The "socio-sexual" part of the hierarchy has to be dispositive or the theory is worthless.

And yet it is extraordinarily reliable when it comes to identifying gammas....

Blogger Shimshon September 21, 2019 4:05 PM  

@75 The first sentences on Sigma: "The outsider who doesn't play the social game and manage to win at it anyhow. The sigma is hated by alphas because sigmas are the only men who don't accept or at least acknowledge, however grudgingly, their social dominance."

Stallman is a total sperg, so in that way, perhaps, he doesn't play the social game. But he hasn't won at it in any way. If he's hated by alphas, to the extent he is even noticed by them, it's for similar reasons that he creeps out the women: spergy omegatude or gammatude. A sigma would not have resigned.

I don't doubt that a 60-something genius ubergeek is capable of attracting the interest of one or more geeky women. His kind of genius, to them, would just be another form of power. That doesn't make him successful with women, just a certain subset of them that most men would find...unattractive...at best.

InfoGalactic: "He has never married although often advertises semi-humorously for a companion."

Diagnosis: Omega

Blogger Karhu September 21, 2019 4:05 PM  

@77 VD:

"The "socio-sexual" part of the hierarchy has to be dispositive or the theory is worthless.

And yet it is extraordinarily reliable when it comes to identifying gammas...."

Not unless you can close the circle and confirm where the person is on the hierarchy. Which I suppose in the era of social media, and gammas being gammas, is easy.

I'm tempted to say one tell you depend on is clear, the reaction to rejection, whether the rejection is real or imagined, but it still needs at least statistical rather than anecdotal confirmation. And who has time for that?

Blogger Jack Amok September 21, 2019 4:14 PM  

What’s more, the woman would probably be less egotistical and more team-oriented about it.

Quite an egotistical and self-centered boast by this woman.

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 21, 2019 4:21 PM  

On a more serious note, I don't think the concept of free software is a unique revolutionary invention.

Yeah, that's a major overstatement. There was always a lot of free software; it just wasn't easy to distribute it until the Internet became common. And if GNU/Linux hadn't happened, we would have gotten the BSDs anyway, because those legal issues were worked out about the same time.

Still, Stallman probably pushed the idea more than anyone, so I'll give him credit for that. It was damn hard to convince businesses to use free software like Linux in the mid-90s, because they feared anything without an official organization's stamp on it. Companies like Redhat and organizations like the FSF made that easier, because you could show them logos. And while I'm not a big fan of the GPL, having a license with some legal standing helped too.

Blogger SciVo September 21, 2019 4:24 PM  

Shimshon wrote:A sigma would not have resigned.

It doesn't even take a sigma. From the evidence, I'm some kind of mix of omega, gamma, and delta (I strive to emphasize the latter). And out of sheer bull-headedness, I would have forced them to fire me or put up with me, and would have enjoyed every moment of their impotent anger up to that point.

Blogger Karhu September 21, 2019 4:24 PM  

@78 Shimshon

The socio-sexual hierarchy doesn't say anything about how it can change when someone ages. Or how long term partners factor in, and as someone ages. By direct observation, Stallman was a Sigma back when he started his crusade, and most certainly not "a total sperg." Have you every met him in person, let alone observed him for a long time?

"A sigma would not have resigned."

Then maybe more needs to be said about Sigmas, that they're so proud they'd rather try to burn down their life's work than accept insult, and retire peacefully from the field, in this case at retirement age. If that were the case, the disdain Alphas hold for them would be justified. Afraid that sounds a lot more like what a Gamma would do.

Vox might be right that Stallman bowed to social pressure, but it's more likely he was flatly given the choice of resigning from both positions or being forcefully removed, damaging institutions and causes he cares very much about.

His being a Visiting Scientist at MIT doesn't mean he was getting paid by MIT, and if he was, the only benefit would have been medical coverage, and he would have been switched to Medicare last year. Plus he's getting Social Security now, the only thing we're sure he lost is his physical office at MIT, and the community of his peers there. He does care *a lot* about the latter.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 21, 2019 4:24 PM  

This statement fromt he source artivcle is absolute bullshit:
In a world where Richard Stallman did not exist, neither would Apple, or the Android phone, or “cloud computing”, or Amazon.com. That’s just the tip of the iceberg. The world without Stallman would be a world where you still used a Windows 95 computer, where you paid real money for every single piece of software on it. Internet Explorer would be the browser. Computing would be limited to the upper-middle-class, the way it was in 1985.
Free software existed before Stallman. In fact Windows includes large sections of free software from the BSD project. The economic realities of the computer economy actually require that software prices tend toward zero, as they have through observable history.
Without Stallman, the computer industry would look very different, but it would still be dominated by free software, that would largely operate the same way it does now. And many believe the software would run better and be far more interoperable without the Linux project imposing stupid purity tests and giant clusterfucks like systemd.

Blogger Wraithburn September 21, 2019 4:32 PM  

@84

Systemd is a hellhole. Early on we were looking to get away from Ubuntu's poor excuse of an alternative, upstart. I learned systemd insisted, contrary to *nix philosophy, on implementing its own logger. Which was buggy and could crash on start which brought the whole boot process to a halt.

When everyone started switched to systemd I couldn't believe so many programmers were so stupid.

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei September 21, 2019 4:34 PM  

What’s more, the woman would probably be less egotistical and more team-oriented about it.

"Hey guys, you know why we women are sooo much better and more awesome than you in every way? We're totally not egotistical and never, ever spend tons of time and effort trying to draw attention to our tiniest achievement. You should try to be as totally humble as we are!"

Blogger Karhu September 21, 2019 4:41 PM  

@85 Wraithburn:

"When everyone started switched to systemd I couldn't believe so many programmers were so stupid."

It's entirely political, systemd deliberately being intertwined with other vital Linux userland software, making it more and more work to remove. For Red Hat, which employs Pottering, it's a way to commodify and Windowize Linux distributions, and make installations demand more support which is how they make a lot of their money.

The real trick was convincing Debian to move to it, and that was brutal. Now so many popular distributions like Ubuntu are downstream of systemd switched parents there's less and less useful choices, unless you switch to a BSD. Network effects also matter, nowadays Ubuntu is the single most common system that vendors of various types of software make a build for.

Blogger OneWingedShark September 21, 2019 4:48 PM  

SciVo wrote:Shimshon wrote:A sigma would not have resigned.
It doesn't even take a sigma. From the evidence, I'm some kind of mix of omega, gamma, and delta (I strive to emphasize the latter). And out of sheer bull-headedness, I would have forced them to fire me or put up with me, and would have enjoyed every moment of their impotent anger up to that point.

Or you're just a bit more aware of the fractal nature of the SSH in yourself.

Wraithburn wrote:@84
Systemd is a hellhole. Early on we were looking to get away from Ubuntu's poor excuse of an alternative, upstart. I learned systemd insisted, contrary to *nix philosophy, on implementing its own logger. Which was buggy and could crash on start which brought the whole boot process to a halt.

When everyone started switched to systemd I couldn't believe so many programmers were so stupid.

I've heard system described as a blackhole.
The reason so many programmers bought into it was precisely because it was embraced by Linux-fans. Contrary to their belief, the Unix and Linux architectures are not automagically good — there are decent arguments that they are pretty bad — and they likely would have been more willing to go against the flow if they had experience with other OSes like, perhaps, OpenVMS.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 21, 2019 5:04 PM  

OneWingedShark wrote:they likely would have been more willing to go against the flow if they had experience with other OSes like, perhaps, OpenVMS.
No. Just, no. If you think OpenVMS is an alternative to any Unix-like operating system, you need to spend a week in the infernal sulphurous bowels of the VMS filesystem.

Blogger Gettimothy September 21, 2019 5:10 PM  

Slackware! ftw

Blogger VFM #7634 September 21, 2019 5:32 PM  

Then maybe more needs to be said about Sigmas, that they're so proud they'd rather try to burn down their life's work than accept insult, and retire peacefully from the field, in this case at retirement age. If that were the case, the disdain Alphas hold for them would be justified. Afraid that sounds a lot more like what a Gamma would do.

Maybe I'm not as familiar with the dictionary as I should be, but AFAIK, resigning is not retiring. When you retire, you get your pension. When you resign, it's as if you quit or are fired. You get nothing, except maybe some severance pay.

Vox might be right that Stallman bowed to social pressure, but it's more likely he was flatly given the choice of resigning from both positions or being forcefully removed, damaging institutions and causes he cares very much about.

His being a Visiting Scientist at MIT doesn't mean he was getting paid by MIT, and if he was, the only benefit would have been medical coverage, and he would have been switched to Medicare last year. Plus he's getting Social Security now, the only thing we're sure he lost is his physical office at MIT, and the community of his peers there. He does care *a lot* about the latter.


What does the presidency of the Free Software Foundation have to do with a visiting professorship at MIT? Is the FSF a department of MIT?

Blogger Karhu September 21, 2019 5:49 PM  

@91. VFM #7634:

"Maybe I'm not as familiar with the dictionary as I should be, but AFAIK, resigning is not retiring. When you retire, you get your pension. When you resign, it's as if you quit or are fired. You get nothing, except maybe some severance pay."

In a part I snipped from below, I noted he wasn't earning a pension from his Visiting Scientist position at MIT, at most he was getting healthcare coverage before he turned 65. I've used the word "retire" because he's 66, beyond the general official age of retirement in the US.

"What does the presidency of the Free Software Foundation have to do with a visiting professorship at MIT? Is the FSF a department of MIT?"

Visiting Scientist, and the reason he had that position at MIT, which may have been no more than an office and tolerance by his peers in the building, was because of what he'd done as a member of the staff at MIT before he started his crusade, and his continued work in that crusade. And he "resigned" from both FSF and MIT positions at about the same time.

He might not even have had a real office, MIT's quarter billion dollar computer science and artificial intelligence building was designed ignoring input from its users and following the open office fad. The exact space his group was in was 2 inches too short according to the city's building codes to be subdivided into offices vertically as well as horizontally.

Blogger Robert Pinkerton September 21, 2019 5:49 PM  

I remember reading from a chapter on "alienated" youth, in Kenneth Keniston's Committed Youth (a panegyric praising the VietNam-era anti-war movement), a statement - represented as a symptomatic attitude of alienation - "Teamwork is the last refuge of mediocrity."

Blogger VFM #7634 September 21, 2019 5:57 PM  

@92 Karhu

What... (shakes head and walks off)

Blogger Shimshon September 21, 2019 6:59 PM  

Karhu, a sigma who was forced, for real and not due to social pressure, to resign, would burn the whole thing down. If all that was being applied was meaningless social pressure, and he caved, he's not sigma.

All your blathering about what may have transpired behind the scenes is very nice and all, but it is just speculation. The benefit of being associated with MIT could simply be having the MIT name associated with Stallman and the FSF.

In any case, the SSH is fractal. In the geek circles he travels, he could be. But in the wider world? Omega.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( Honkeys genocided poor, innocent little Smallpox, it was anuddah Shoah!, WhiteManBad ) September 21, 2019 7:03 PM  

91. VFM #7634 September 21, 2019 5:32 PM
When you resign, it's as if you quit or are fired. You get nothing, except maybe some severance pay.


that's at the discretion of the company. and remember, we're hypothesizing here that this is at the instigation OF THE COLLEGE.

ie - there HAS be something that the employer is offering for the resignation, otherwise there is no point in Stallman not saying, "FU, fire me."

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel September 21, 2019 8:11 PM  

@10

True. Not only are they incapable of making a decision on their own, but they will be engaged in "analysis paralysis" and waste an inordinate amount of time attempting to get "buy in" and "consensus". They tend to be self-serving suckups as well.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 21, 2019 8:11 PM  

What I don't understand is Karhu's emphasis on Stallman's visiting scientist position at MIT. I mean, sure, visiting scientist. That's like, what, an honorary doctorate? If he forcibly got sacked from that by MIT, big freaking deal. Sure, I suppose he wouldn't have access to MIT's snazzy computer lab, but is MIT the only game in town with a decent programming lab? Did MIT hold all his essential projects, with no way to export them to non-MIT computers?

If MIT did have this power over him, then sure, maybe he'd be "burning down his life's work" by not playing ball with them. But somehow I don't think that's the case.

The point I was trying to make is that he resigned not only from the visiting scientist position at MIT, but from the presidency of his own foundation. That he himself founded, and presumably was in charge of. He resigned from THAT.

That is conclusively not Sigma.

Blogger wreckage September 21, 2019 8:41 PM  

On the subject of the SSH, Vox repeatedly calls it fractal. I've known people who were definitely Omega but who got a lot of tail because they moved in circles where they were effectively Sigma. The SSH seems to be an interaction between a hierarchical rank relative to other men nearby, and the degree of female attraction elicited by the individual in a given scenario.

As such, in a roomful of women that valued UHIQ, coding ability, and social transgression, Stallman would in effect be Sigma, and potentially in his field and in a room full of men whose identity was tied up in the values of the field, he might be an Alpha (situational). The very localized hierarchy would restructure itself around that. So, my thought, potentially:

Put him in a disco and the women hate him and he despises them. All behaviour matches Omega. Put him in a small room of genuine sperg programmer women; they find him admirable and he finds them useful. All behaviour moves towards matching Sigma or Alpha.

Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira September 21, 2019 8:42 PM  

That article was hilarious. Didn't realise Stallman was such a kook.

Blogger kurt9 September 21, 2019 9:13 PM  

Somewhat off topic, but related to this, Google is now claiming "quantum supremacy" with their quantum computer effort. Call me skeptical as I believe Google is far too "converged", in the SJW sense, such as to be no longer capable of such feats.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 21, 2019 9:15 PM  

@wreckage

Fractality can be taken too far. To tell a man's true, objective rank, I think a good rule of thumb is: where would the quality of the women that he attracts be on the 1-10 scale of the average man in the broader population? (To hedge off spergs bringing up "differing cultural standards of beauty", I'll qualify it to: "the average man of his own race/nation"?)

If Stallman is getting the attention of a lot of Zoe Quinns, and no better, he's still Omega. Objectively.

Blogger Garuna September 21, 2019 10:29 PM  

Enough with the cunty lawyering. Stallman is an omega. And anyone who denies it is probably a gamma or omega.

Blogger Jack Amok September 22, 2019 12:41 AM  

Windows sucks.
iOS sucks.
Linux sucks.

Turns out, making a general-purpose OS is damned difficult.

Blogger wreckage September 22, 2019 12:57 AM  

@102 Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. I'm pointing out that the existence of a King Gamma or King Omega doesn't falsify the hierarchy, because the hierarchy is relative to what's available, at least to an extent.

I think it's also potentially pretty interesting when looking at how/if culture adapts to accommodate hierarchy without devolving into the tribal situation where one or two alphas compete for ALL the women and everyone else only gets to marry if they take captives in a tribal war. Compartmentalizing society and using perceived rank situationally might be one of those methods.

A potential example being the nuclear family, headship, and castle doctrine in law and etiquette. Or another potential example for a different structure being the Roman Pater Familias.

Or again, in some medieval systems in my limited understanding, the idea that getting Cucked by the King doesn't Count.

Blogger SciVo September 22, 2019 1:58 AM  

OneWingedShark wrote:Or you're just a bit more aware of the fractal nature of the SSH in yourself.

Thank you, but
1. Everyone has a rationalization hamster.
2. So it is important to pay attention to objective measures, such as n-count.
3. And if you think something like "oh but I'm a heartbreaker with trust issues" then see #1.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 22, 2019 2:43 AM  

wreckage wrote:Or again, in some medieval systems in my limited understanding, the idea that getting Cucked by the King doesn't Count.
This is part of the Black Legend, a deliberate lie that is still taught because it serves the purposes of some people.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 22, 2019 3:28 AM  

"Then maybe more needs to be said about Sigmas, that they're so proud they'd rather try to burn down their life's work than accept insult, and retire peacefully from the field, in this case at retirement age."

You've got it backward. Bowing to the pogrom is letting his work be burned down. Standing up to it might not succeed, but it would at least have a chance.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 22, 2019 3:34 AM  

"So it is important to pay attention to objective measures, such as n-count."

I think the n-count that you're referring to needs to be adjusted for the local social model. For example, if there are no loose women, good luck having an n-count higher than 1 without death being involved. That being said, most of our society has many, many loose women.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 22, 2019 3:41 AM  

Regardless, there are other objective measures. You could always look for someone you personally know, respect, and think will be honest with you and ask them where they think you stand -- then ask yourself again if you think they're being honest while they're telling you. If you aren't going to coddle yourself, gotta make sure no one else is either.

Alternatively, as some people I know would put it, "yank your d*** out and swing it a bit and see if you get it back in one piece". See if you're allowed to swagger, and who complains about it, and if you care about their opinion.

Blogger wreckage September 22, 2019 3:55 AM  

@107, I refer only to the fact that circa 1000AD the King was expected to have several wives, concubines, and mistresses, and that children to those mistresses were not considered bastards, and as such, the alpha behaviour incurred no social penalty to those impacted by it. However you may move the model to whichever society you choose in order to comfortably assess it as a social adaptation to the SSH.

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Blogger Hieroglyph September 22, 2019 6:29 AM  

"There is nothing I have seen a man in tech do that a woman could not. What’s more, the woman would probably be less egotistical and more team-oriented about it."

Has this person ever worked with women? I work, at a low level, in tech. Most women in tech appear to think they are entitled to a swift promotion, and that teamwork is for their soon-to-be underlings. My previous male boss refused to interview women. At the time I thought it was odd, but I see now he had his reasons ...

Teamwork is a good and fine thing. I applaud teamwork, which involves the good stuff like covering for your colleague, being helpful where you can, admitting mistakes so they can be fixed. High IQ lunatics like Stallman, God bless him, operate a bit differently though. His role is driving force. I'm sure the God Emperor himself is a massive pain in the ass to work for. This is as it should be.



Blogger SciVo September 22, 2019 7:44 AM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:That being said, most of our society has many, many loose women.

And I find them contemptible, but I cannot know if that is cause or consequence of my failure to take advantage. Because rationalization hamster.

Azure Amaranthine wrote:See if you're allowed to swagger, and who complains about it, and if you care about their opinion.

I find myself in the peculiar position of being a mostly agreeable fellow who can also get away with a lot of isht by being funny, and then randomly my Finnish stubbornness will flare up. But then I'm also very tactile, huggy with my friends, and even strangers feel comfortable touching my shoulder or arm. I don't know what it means, if anything.

Blogger Karhu September 22, 2019 7:49 AM  

@102 VFM #7634

"@wreckage

Fractality can be taken too far. To tell a man's true, objective rank, I think a good rule of thumb is: where would the quality of the women that he attracts be on the 1-10 scale of the average man in the broader population? (To hedge off spergs bringing up "differing cultural standards of beauty", I'll qualify it to: "the average man of his own race/nation"?)

If Stallman is getting the attention of a lot of Zoe Quinns, and no better, he's still Omega. Objectively."

Good point. At the time Stallman was starting his crusade, he was attracting attention he reciprocated from *much* better women than Zoe Quinns. They were sane, and while I can't remember precisely their absolute attractiveness, put them at 7.5 or better.

@103 Garuna:

"Enough with the cunty lawyering. Stallman is an omega."

It's not "lawyering" if you're working on direct evidence. There's no need to theorize if you can simply check each sentence and clause in the definitions and see which matches and which doesn't.

I know this amounts to an appeal to authority, but unless we have another person in the discussion who actually knew Stallman at some point it's the best we can do.

Blogger wreckage September 22, 2019 8:05 AM  

Hey, a certain percentage of women get hot for brains, and this guy clearly has an enormous, throbbing, intellect.

Blogger Shimshon September 22, 2019 8:17 AM  

Karhu, if you're going to imply evidence, then present it.

"Good point. At the time Stallman was starting his crusade, he was attracting attention he reciprocated from *much* better women than Zoe Quinns. They were sane, and while I can't remember precisely their absolute attractiveness, put them at 7.5 or better."

I have to wonder how old you are and just what kind of recollections you have, along with how credible they are. But either way, unless you got the documentary kind of evidence, your memories of Stallman's youthful conquests are worthless, if not entirely made up.

"I know this amounts to an appeal to authority, but unless we have another person in the discussion who actually knew Stallman at some point it's the best we can do."

Whoops. An admission that you are making stuff up. You don't know Stallman. You don't know any women at all, let alone babes, he's been with.

The "best we can do" is examine the publicly known info about the man.

Finding: Omega

I tried to investigate if there was any public info Stallman's romantic life. Zero. Zip. Nada. If he was banging babes, it would have been news then or now.

Blogger Karhu September 22, 2019 8:41 AM  

@117 Shimshon:

"Karhu, if you're going to imply evidence, then present it."

I'm saying I compared directly observed evidence from the early 1980s to the published definitions of Sigma and Omega, which is not "implying."

The rest of your screed accuses me of lying, to which I cannot make a response without doxing myself, and demands "documentation" of his romantic life that's not going to exist, for strangely enough, People magazine and tabloids didn't follow nerds back then.

If it makes you feel better to tear down your betters, keep believing your delusions, the facts don't care. Or make a difference in today's cancel culture.

Blogger Shimshon September 22, 2019 9:09 AM  

Karhu, Usenet existed then and was heavily trafficked by MIT types. Usenet was People magazine, the tabloids, and a whole lot more in the day. I know this from my own personal wanderings in its various groups at the time. If Stallman, who was a well-known figure even then, certainly enough to be almost literally canonized by Stephen Levy in Hackers, banged babes, there would have to be some reference to it, somewhere. The archives are out there. Stop disclaiming the ability to put up already.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 22, 2019 9:21 AM  

Karhu, he's definitely an Omega right now. And if you're correct about him in the 1980s, it would mean he deteriorated sexually over the years, which is not inconceivable. Leftism and otherwise building up screwy ideas can do that to a man.

Blogger Daniel September 22, 2019 9:40 AM  

As a high productivity programmer / it dude / small it firm owner in argentina, i can confirm

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 22, 2019 9:58 AM  

I think the n-count that you're referring to needs to be adjusted for the local social model.

And that's where fame skews things, because of how much it raises a man's attractiveness. Even nerd fame like Stallman's will make women accessible who otherwise would have crossed the street to avoid him. To judge a famous man's position on the hierarchy, you have to ignore or adjust down his n-count. Otherwise you'd have to say all famous athletes, actors, politicians, etc., are super-Alphas/Sigmas, because they can all get lots of tail.

Blogger Shimshon September 22, 2019 11:05 AM  

Karhu, I don't have a problem with count. I acknowledged its possibility, even likelihood. So have others. 7.5 may as well be 10 in those circles. Or unicorns. A whole bunch of them, according to your recollection.

If you have firsthand knowledge, you're either being overly charitable, or just throwing out some numbers I have no reason to accept to prove some point I don't, at its base, have a problem conceding, if that were even an appropriate word. Situational sigma. Genuine omega.

You? Gamma.

Blogger Karhu September 22, 2019 11:44 AM  

@119. Shimshon

"Karhu, Usenet existed then and was heavily trafficked by MIT types."

Usenet was eventually a big thing at MIT, but through the earliest of the 1980s Unix was not a popular operating system at MIT, in part due to it only running well on PDP-11 mini-computers which supplied very little memory to programs, while we had superior alternatives. Stallman's reputation as a hacker was created on work he did on PDP-10 mainframes and Lisp Machine 32 bit custom workstations. The MIT-Multics mainframe was also big.

Stallman did not have standing above his peer hackers until he made quite a contravercy starting the GNU project on September 27, 1983, announced on Usenet because it was intended to be a free Unix clone. Steven Levy's Hackers was researched in 1983, he visited my main group of hacker then, and published in 1984.

@120 VFM #7634:

"Karhu, he's definitely an Omega right now. And if you're correct about him in the 1980s, it would mean he deteriorated sexually over the years, which is not inconceivable. Leftism and otherwise building up screwy ideas can do that to a man."

Maybe, and just getting old, while not being materialistic or wealthy by today's standards, for back in the 1980s programmers were generally the wealthiest, except for those with inherited wealth. I would guess that most 66 year old men had better have some acquired wealth, or a lifetime partner some time earlier if they don't want to edge towards Omega. It suggests the SSH needs amplification on how age may change things.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 22, 2019 12:19 PM  

"It suggests the SSH needs amplification on how age may change things."

It doesn't really matter where he may have been at on the hierarchy, if you're 60+ you aren't going to be pulling 10s unless they're some form of gold digger. Your SMV is realistically gone, the only thing left is either your social value or your financial value. This is just common sense.

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 22, 2019 4:26 PM  

The SSH is fine. Plenty of other people could look at Stallman and his situation and place him without any trouble. Your difficulty is yours.

Blogger 4rms September 22, 2019 6:56 PM  

I sent copies of your two SJW books to rms at gnu dot org and then destroyed my copies. I hope this is okay with you. He does read all his emails, and clearly is dealing with this in near-100% the wrong way, so if you have any thoughts on how he can change his PR strategy emailing them to rms at gnu dot org will, eventually, get to him. Note this is not doxing, his email address is extremely well-known, and listed on his personal website.

Blogger Sicilian switchblade September 22, 2019 7:13 PM  

People who actually understand the way a team works understand hierarchy (most women don't) they also understand being positioned according to ones level of competency (most women don't) they also understand being reprimanded for lack of performance. How many women actually understand and live according to any such ideas?

Women can do anything men can do but better, until they realize they can't, then it's somebody else's fault, cause misogyny, why isn't the situation/orginization customized to so I can perform well, and why won't anyone listen to meeeeee! Stomps away in ridiculous "cute shoes" that she can't even walk in.

Blogger 4rms September 22, 2019 8:35 PM  

RMS would not resign because of social pressure. My guess is that a sizable percentage of contributors and donors or a few major contributors and donors threatened to leave, and RMS felt that his resignation would help the movement. He'd resign if he thought it'd help free software, but if he thought not resigning would help free software more, he would never resign even if he was being personally crucified on the front page of the NYT.

Blogger 4rms September 22, 2019 8:41 PM  

This seems to be Stallman parroting "experts" from a Guardian article he had just read - https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/03/paedophilia-bringing-dark-desires-light - "If there's no bullying, no coercion, no abuse of power, if the child enters into the relationship voluntarily … the evidence shows there need be no harm."

Blogger 4rms September 22, 2019 8:52 PM  

No, he did have a nice, decent-sized office, just as big as big-name MIT CS profs who were right next to him. Source: I've been in it.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 22, 2019 11:38 PM  

@44

"When I heard Stallman's quotes, I thought: he sounds like one of those sperges who always diverts conversations about legit pedophilia into arguing over whether a man should go to jail for courting a 17-year-old. It's not that he's wrong; it's that he can't read a room to save his life."

Stallman ain't a sperg.
He's full blown autistic.

Sheesh.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 23, 2019 12:21 AM  

@45

" He's much closer to a Sigma, but with something that doesn't fit into the hierarchy, or a blend of that and Omega. The rules are probably a bit different for true geniuses like him."

He's Lazlo, the guy in Real Genius, who dropped out of college, but continues to live on campus -- BENEATH a dorm in a cave he excavated himself, which is accessible only by a series of passageways, the beginning of which is hidden in a closet. At the end of the movie, he's latched onto by an IQ-queen (much in the same way as military men are targeted for marriage by the species known as "dependapotamus")

Stallman doesn't have n > 1 due to his social skills. He has an n>1 because, despite what the popular culture claims, there are, women who collect sexual trophies, so to speak. "Yeah? Well I f****d the guy whose software runs the entire freakin' internet! IN HIS OFFICE!!!!"

Blogger Dirk Manly September 23, 2019 12:31 AM  

@55

"I expect to see harems again before it's over at this rate. Both because so many soyboys died and because nothing less could possibly be a fitting punishment for the women involved."


Not until they lose weight, have the hideous (which is to say, all) tattoos removed, and stop dying their hair with day-glow poster paints.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 23, 2019 1:15 AM  

@64

"Baruth's piece is good but he misses the mark on the 737 Max. While Boeing is stupid to outsource much of it's programming to India, they still do most if not all of the flight code here in the USA, and all of that had precisely nothing to do with the two 737 Max accidents, which were the result of pilot error."

When the control software doesn't behave and respond the way a PILOT expects such software to behave and respond, is that pilot error or programmer error?

This is a typical case I ran into so many times when I was in the I.T. world -- a coding project outsourced to India, being executed by a team of coders who have ZERO experience in the problem domain and have absolutely no clue as to what "expected behavior" and "expected response" is.... and (based on the Indians in I.T. whom I have known).... don't even know what the concept is.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 23, 2019 1:25 AM  

@69

'"On a more serious note, I don't think the concept of free software is a unique revolutionary invention"

Ever notice that Microsoft's networking dll file contains "Copyright the Regents of the Univesity of California, Berkeley" and not "Copyright the Free Software Foundation" yet you can't get a copy of the source code?

It's because the Berkeley license allows freeloaders like Bill Gates to monetize the work of others which was given freely, while the GPL prohibits any such thing.

Stallman was an absolute genius in making sure there is a license so that someone can specify that if it was given for free, it must be passed along for free.

And yes, the FSF has sued product makers for using GPL software without showing the purchasers where to obtain the source code for the GPL stuff contained within... AND more importantly, the FSF has won these lawsuits.

This is why Gates and Ballmer characterized everything contributed to GPL software as cancer... because they literally couldn't run off with it and pretend it was THEIR doing, like the Berkeley license allows.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 23, 2019 1:51 AM  

@84

"
Free software existed before Stallman. In fact Windows includes large sections of free software from the BSD project."

But you still have to pay through the nose for that Free Software from Berkeley. Free for Microsoft, but not for the purchasers of Windows Last Thursday.

"The economic realities of the computer economy actually require that software prices tend toward zero, as they have through observable history."

This was never WIDELY true before the Free Software Foundation. Before that time, getting free software generally depended on "I know this guy...." [Which is not to imply stolen software... it's simply that the average computer user didn't have the connections to get any free software that was of any value beyond Hunt the Wumpus.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 23, 2019 2:05 AM  

@84

"and be far more interoperable without the Linux project imposing stupid purity tests and giant clusterfucks like systemd."

That's not from the Linux project.

That's from RedHat.

In fact, Linus specifically revoked Greg Kroah-Hartman's (or whatever that fag's name is) commit privileges specifically for his act of polluting the Linux kernel with a patch to correct for a major bug in systemd rather than telling Poettering to FIX HIS shit, rather than trying to get other, well-functioning software, to accomodate his bug. (And that's not the first time Poettering has been guilty of changing other software due to bugs in HIS OWN code.)


You want Linux without systemdisaster, then get Gentoo Linux, or if you want pre-compiled packages, Devuan (Debian with no dependencies on Poettering's shitware.) And Slackware. And there's many others.

And I hear rumors that, a decade after many of us in the SuSE community told the Germans STAY AWAY FROM THAT systemd shit, they might be finally coming around to realize that systemd is like practically anything else designed by a German -- it only works right when everything is perfect, but even small dings throw everything out of kilter -- and the exodus of me and everybody like me (which amounts to a huge number of people) cut into their numbers enough that the need to abandon systemd. I can only hope. I LOVE SuSE administrative tools, but none of that is worth putting up with need to read AND COMPLETELY LEARN a 200 page (and growing) book to understand that init system.

The whole damn thing, I'm quite sure, is driven by RedHat's contracts with the U.S. military. (Blue Force Tracker was migrated from Solaris on x86 to RedHat in the 2006/2007 era. I noticed that change after we got all of our BFT hard drives re-imaged for unit-designator updates.)

Blogger Dirk Manly September 23, 2019 2:09 AM  

@85

"
When everyone started switched to systemd I couldn't believe so many programmers were so stupid."

I have absolutely NO belief that SuSE's switch to systemd was a decision made by programmers. Quite the opposite, I had the impression at the time that the decision was made by some clueless C*O type, with a business degree and whose only contact with programming was a required 100-level class as an undergrad, in which the above-mentioned C*O squeeked by with a D, or possibly got a C, but only by all but paying someone to write his programming projects for him.... or... her.)

Blogger Dirk Manly September 23, 2019 2:16 AM  

@88

"The reason so many programmers bought into it was precisely because it was embraced by Linux-fans. Contrary to their belief, the Unix and Linux architectures are not automagically good — there are decent arguments that they are pretty bad — and they likely would have been more willing to go against the flow if they had experience with other OSes like, perhaps, OpenVMS."

Really?

What part of "systemd violates every programming philosophy of Unix [and therefore Linux]" did you fail to comprehend when the user communities were all up in arms at the distribution-aggregators for buying into that whole cluster-f*

All so that they could continue support the other co-dependent one-size-fits NOBODY hellhole, the desktop in which only the non-existant "typical case" is supported (user customization is heavily frowned upon, and nigh-near impossible): GNOME. Specifically, the pile of putrid feces mixed with pus called GNOME 3.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 23, 2019 2:22 AM  

@89

"No. Just, no. If you think OpenVMS is an alternative to any Unix-like operating system, you need to spend a week in the infernal sulphurous bowels of the VMS filesystem."

For once, you and I agree.

One Winged Shark seems to be under the delusion that Linux users and Linux programmers have NEVER had the opportunity (or punishment) of working or programming on other operating systems.

Linux is bad... but not nearly as bad as programming on any other OS.

The only major, and only plausible at that, problem is the no built-in garbage collection when programming in C or C++, or any other language with no hidden garbage collection process.

Of course, built-in garbage collection isn't all it's cracked up to be. And when "properly working," interferes with finding bugs related to pointers which used to point at memory which was released, and which SHOULD HAVE been re-assigned, but weren't.

In other words, built-in garbage collection is no panacea. It merely replaces an easy-to-find problem with a more difficult-to-find problem.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 23, 2019 2:35 AM  

@

"I mean, sure, visiting scientist. That's like, what, an honorary doctorate?"


It's much better than an honorary doctorate.
and Stallman has a real, (not honorary) PhD.

To be a a visiting scientist means to be on payroll, and the visiting scientist can stay as long as he wants, but doesn't have even a whiff of tenure.
A lot of visiting scientists are profs who decide to go to some other university's campus while on sabbatical. Some go to take some time off from their major project -- just teach a subject that they're good at, and relax about their project because they are physically removed from the environment where all their lab equipment for that line of research is (increasingly difficult for anybody in CS/IT/Data Processing type stuff as compared to 30 years ago). Other visiting scientists are researchers in industry, who want a break from the corporate rat-race and corporate politics, and just hang out at a college campus, where all of the political games have nothing to do with them, and teach some students in an area related to, or leading to their specialty, so that there's enough bodies to come in and continue the mission when they retire.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 23, 2019 2:39 AM  

@101
"Somewhat off topic, but related to this, Google is now claiming "quantum supremacy" with their quantum computer effort. Call me skeptical as I believe Google is far too "converged", in the SJW sense, such as to be no longer capable of such feats."


True, but they're also now converged enough to be making such ridiculous pronouncements.

Any claim having to do with "quantum computing" is nothing more than a bunch of empty blather, originated by one or a group of talentless charlatans, and repeated by overly-credulous idiots.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 23, 2019 2:46 AM  

@107

"This is part of the Black Legend, a deliberate lie that is still taught because it serves the purposes of some people."

The same people who complain about "blood libel" and will totally tell you that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a total fake, yet back up their claim with zero evidence....but it must be fake, because "if we don't like it, it must be anti-semetic" and therefore absolutely false, a lie, and a counterfeit, even if everything in it is factual.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 23, 2019 2:51 AM  

@113

" I'm sure the God Emperor himself is a massive pain in the ass to work for. This is as it should be."

Of course he is. Who else, before running for President, would be known to most of the general public outside of New Yawk for nothing more than these two words: "You're fired!"

A man doesn't make that his public de-facto trademark without being extremely comfortable with such words.

And when you're in the business of running multi n-hundred-million dollar projects, that is an essential skill if you don't want to go broke.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 23, 2019 2:56 AM  

@117

"I tried to investigate if there was any public info Stallman's romantic life. Zero. Zip. Nada. If he was banging babes, it would have been news then or now."

We know for a fact that he was banging babes in his office at MIT (he was, for all practical purposes, living on the couch in his office). There was a widely circulated and never discredited story that at least one cleaning lady quit over having to clean up used condoms from the floor of his office. Others refused to even enter his office, for fear of what they might see. And no, nobody ever said he had a shower or bathtub in a private lavatory.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 23, 2019 3:22 AM  

@119

"Karhu, Usenet existed then and was heavily trafficked by MIT types. Usenet was People magazine, the tabloids, and a whole lot more in the day. I know this from my own personal wanderings in its various groups at the time. If Stallman, who was a well-known figure even then, certainly enough to be almost literally canonized by Stephen Levy in Hackers, banged babes, there would have to be some reference to it, somewhere. The archives are out there. Stop disclaiming the ability to put up already."
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:7-3EEpmA86wJ:https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Richard_Stallman+&cd=14&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us (ED is still down.... it seems to now be in the hands of people who have little idea of what they are doing. the task to "repair a raid" is now going on week 5 .... now, the whole purpose of having RAID (other than raid 0 -- striping) is so that you can keep a system operating WHILE THE REPAIR IS TAKING PLACE.

I hope somebody has a recent site backup (as I recall the wiki software could produce a nightly or weekly compressed tarball of the entire site for backup/duplication/fork purposes.... who knows if these idiots(?) screwed that up, too.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 23, 2019 3:33 AM  

@124

"Usenet was eventually a big thing at MIT, but through the earliest of the 1980s Unix was not a popular operating system at MIT, in part due to it only running well on PDP-11 mini-computers which supplied very little memory to programs, while we had superior alternatives. Stallman's reputation as a hacker was created on work he did on PDP-10 mainframes and Lisp Machine 32 bit custom workstations. The MIT-Multics mainframe was also big."

Oh, lets just forget about the BSD 3.x series all of which ran ONLY on 32-bit machines, and was first released in 1980, and had significant contributions from MIT.

You had credibility until that comment.

Hell, Eric S. Raymond talks about some hacker convention in which someone referred to there being two parts, the "upper moby" and the "lower moby", being an indirect reference to a hardware hack which allowed PDP-11's to have as much as 256k of memory (which was HUGE at that time.... VAX-11's with a 32-bit address space (4 Gigabytes) shipped with, AT MOST, 1 Megabyte (only 4x as much as a PDP-11 with 256k in "upper and lower mobys".

While Unix wasn't the center of attention at MIT as much as at other universities (particularly Berkeley, Purdue, and Carnegie-Mellon), that's only because the AI lab Lisp machines, which seems to be what MIT's computing culture revolved around at that time.

Stallman was one of the few at MIT who realized that Unix was FAR more important than the Lisp machines.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 23, 2019 3:41 AM  

"No, he did have a nice, decent-sized office, just as big as big-name MIT CS profs who were right next to him. Source: I've been in it."


I contrast, I played pinball on George Goble's pinball machine in his office. The man who invented multi-CPU UNIX kernel (both Master/Slave and peer architectures) still has an office barely large enough to hold his desk, a stack of ham radio equipment (i.e. a coffee-table worth of floor space) and a pinball machine, all lined up on a wall, and about 2-3 feet wide walkway from the door to the window.

Without GHG, all of our Linux and free versions of BSD would be rather slow, due to I/O congestion bottlenecks.

Blogger wreckage September 23, 2019 4:11 AM  

Second hand knowledge tells me women in their late 30s early 40s, re-entering the workforce after 2 but preferably 3+ kids, are both extremely outcome-driven and hardworking. It probably helped that the guy telling me this, their manager, was (and remains) an extremely socially adept situational alpha, but that seems to merely cause additional chaos with younger and/or reproductively unsuccessful women.

Blogger SciVo September 23, 2019 5:38 AM  

4rms wrote:RMS would not resign because of social pressure. My guess is that a sizable percentage of contributors and donors or a few major contributors and donors threatened to leave, and RMS felt that his resignation would help the movement. He'd resign if he thought it'd help free software, but if he thought not resigning would help free software more, he would never resign even if he was being personally crucified on the front page of the NYT.

Then he doesn't understand how people work, which is consistent with our mental model of him. Because money is a gas pedal while personality is a steering wheel, and keeping the money while losing the personality is a great way for an organization to crash into a tree.

Blogger OneWingedShark September 23, 2019 8:57 AM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:OneWingedShark wrote:they likely would have been more willing to go against the flow if they had experience with other OSes like, perhaps, OpenVMS.

No. Just, no. If you think OpenVMS is an alternative to any Unix-like operating system, you need to spend a week in the infernal sulphurous bowels of the VMS filesystem.

I rather liked the one time I got to use a VMS system, and the idea of the versioned FS appeals a lot to me… as does the regularized commandline.

Jack Amok wrote:Windows sucks.
iOS sucks.
Linux sucks.

Turns out, making a general-purpose OS is damned difficult.

There's a lot of truth to this; the thing that frustrates me about Unix/Linux users is how they're almost phytologically unable to admit the ways in which Linux or Unix sucks, dismissing legitimate complaint [or philosophical difference].

SciVo wrote:OneWingedShark wrote:Or you're just a bit more aware of the fractal nature of the SSH in yourself.
Thank you, but

1. Everyone has a rationalization hamster.
2. So it is important to pay attention to objective measures, such as n-count.
3. And if you think something like "oh but I'm a heartbreaker with trust issues" then see #1.

This is absolutely true; but just because everyone else says X doesn't make it true. OTOH, a story my grandpa told: a guy came in to work, and to mess with him Grandpa and everyone else said something like "Are you OK? You don't look top well" and an hour later he had to leave work, sick.

Blogger OneWingedShark September 23, 2019 9:42 AM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:I think the n-count that you're referring to needs to be adjusted for the local social model.

And that's where fame skews things, because of how much it raises a man's attractiveness. Even nerd fame like Stallman's will make women accessible who otherwise would have crossed the street to avoid him. To judge a famous man's position on the hierarchy, you have to ignore or adjust down his n-count. Otherwise you'd have to say all famous athletes, actors, politicians, etc., are super-Alphas/Sigmas, because they can all get lots of tail.

The other thing is that n-count completely disregards strong moral convictions; a man who is otherwise an alpha who strongly holds to the conviction that sex outside of marriage is immoral and unacceptable will have a vastly lower n-count than the alpha who is "out to get tail".

Sicilian switchblade wrote:People who actually understand the way a team works understand hierarchy (most women don't) they also understand being positioned according to ones level of competency (most women don't) they also understand being reprimanded for lack of performance. How many women actually understand and live according to any such ideas?
There was some research some years back, where the military was looking at the performance of co-ed vs non co-ed units. The very politically incorrect findings were that units with women performed worse, had worse morale, and suffered in unit-cohesion.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 23, 2019 11:09 AM  

@Dirk,
18 posts in a row is a bit too much, don't you think?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 23, 2019 11:36 AM  

OneWingedShark wrote:I rather liked the one time I got to use a VMS system, and the idea of the versioned FS appeals a lot to me… as does the regularized commandline.

After the Honeywell mainframe, VAX VMS was kind of nice. I liked Unix better.

Blogger OneWingedShark September 23, 2019 12:57 PM  

Dirk Manly wrote:This is a typical case I ran into so many times when I was in the I.T. world -- a coding project outsourced to India, being executed by a team of coders who have ZERO experience in the problem domain and have absolutely no clue as to what "expected behavior" and "expected response" is… and (based on the Indians in I.T. whom I have known)… don't even know what the concept is.
And, when confronted with actual expected behavior/response will argue against it, because obviously their code is correct, and they obviously are incapable of having made an error, even mistakenly.

Ominous Cowherd wrote:OneWingedShark wrote:I rather liked the one time I got to use a VMS system, and the idea of the versioned FS appeals a lot to me… as does the regularized commandline.
After the Honeywell mainframe, VAX VMS was kind of nice. I liked Unix better.

Oh, I've never talked with anyone who used a Honeywell mainframe; how did you [mis]like it? (As it's perhaps too off-topic for the thread, perhaps an e-mail would be a better place to continue the conversation. This handle at gmail.com will get through to me.)

Blogger VFM #7634 September 23, 2019 1:55 PM  

"We know for a fact that he was banging babes in his office at MIT (he was, for all practical purposes, living on the couch in his office). There was a widely circulated and never discredited story that at least one cleaning lady quit over having to clean up used condoms from the floor of his office. Others refused to even enter his office, for fear of what they might see."

@Dirk Manly
If that's true, sure, he was getting some. Completely consistent with his King Omega status. At the same time, you can't presume it was with "babes". I'm sure I'd not want to walk in on him getting it on with Zoe Quinn either.

Blogger SirHamster September 23, 2019 2:15 PM  

Dirk Manly wrote:And no, nobody ever said he had a shower or bathtub in a private lavatory.
If he didn't shower, Omega confirmed.

Give an Omega lots of pussy and you can call him a Sigma, but the operating system is still Omega if he doesn't develop the ability to be socially adroit.

OneWingedShark wrote:The other thing is that n-count completely disregards strong moral convictions
n-count is a rule of thumb that measures sexual appeal.

It doesn't have to be perfect, don't overthink it.

Blogger Karhu September 23, 2019 5:12 PM  

@148 Dirk Manly:
@124

"Usenet was eventually a big thing at MIT, but through the earliest of the 1980s Unix was not a popular operating system at MIT, in part due to it only running well on PDP-11 mini-computers which supplied very little memory to programs, while we had superior alternatives. Stallman's reputation as a hacker was created on work he did on PDP-10 mainframes and Lisp Machine 32 bit custom workstations. The MIT-Multics mainframe was also big."

"Oh, lets just forget about the BSD 3.x series all of which ran ONLY on 32-bit machines, and was first released in 1980, and had significant contributions from MIT.

You had credibility until that comment."

And swapped, rather than paged. Note the "ran well". Did you ever do system administration of 4.x BSD on Vaxen? The version that, you know, paged? Built your own kernels, write fake disk partition tables for the newer generation of drives which didn't do cylinders, tracks, and sectors? After you physically installed those new disk systems?

"Hell, Eric S. Raymond talks about some hacker convention in which someone referred to there being two parts, the "upper moby" and the "lower moby", being an indirect reference to a hardware hack which allowed PDP-11's to have as much as 256k of memory (which was HUGE at that time...."

Off by one, the PDP-10s were the ones with "mobies", memory units with 256K of 36 bit words. One moby equaled the maximum address space *for a single program*, the CPU 36 bits with 18 bits for addressing, word addressed. 1 megabyte of 9 bit bytes, but that wasn't how it was used, it was more efficient than byte addressing, but that came with a very hard limit on total program size that had been reached by the time the Vax came out.

The first moby for MIT-AI was quite an accomplishment, Fabritek was only just able to make it work. Adding a second moby, and getting MIT-AI's KA10 processor to handle all of it, probably wasn't as big as an accomplishment as designing and building the ITS paging unit to use its first memory banks including the first moby, but it allowed a single user to use an entire address space worth of memory, not having to share it with the operating system. And the ITS operating allowed that sort of thing, for AI experiments and demoes.

Did you ever see the multiple mobies for the four PDP-10s on the 9th floor of 545 Technology Square? Or know any of the people who did these hardware and software hacks for them? Or put your hands on MIT-AI's hardware after it was surplussed, look over its old school schematics?

"VAX-11's with a 32-bit address space (4 Gigabytes) shipped with, AT MOST, 1 Megabyte (only 4x as much as a PDP-11 with 256k in "upper and lower mobys"."

Not familiar with the mainframe class 11/780, I started using Vaxen with the 11/750, but 1 megabyte byte addressed is somewhat close to the maximum address space of a PDP-10, same number of smaller and less efficiently used words. A bit of research matches my memory, the 11/780 started with one or two memory controllers, which could each handle a megabyte of memory. That was upped to 4 megabytes, 8 total, as soon as memory technology advanced a generation.

PDP-11s are 16 bit byte addressed machines, that's 64K. The second CPU, the PDP-11/45, introduced a split instruction and data mode, where pointers for each would refer to a different set of 8K data pages, a bit like the 8086 and its followons. So the maximum a single program could use, a single address space, was 64K for each, the data space of which which was conventionally partitioned into 56K of user data, and 8K of stack, all enforced by the MMU.

You ever flip any switches on the front panel of a PDP -11/45 to boot it? I'm not talking about all this stuff 2nd hand, except for some of the PDP-10 internals lore.

Blogger Karhu September 23, 2019 5:20 PM  

@146 Dirk Manly

"And no, nobody ever said he had a shower or bathtub in a private lavatory."

His personal hygiene was fine through the period I've described. The mentioned living in his office happened a little later after his apartment building was burned down, officially by some kids playing with kerosene and matches. And MIT had all sorts of showers tucked away in public lavatories, but none that I remember in 545 Tech Square where his office originally was, it was a conventional office building, which MIT leased large parts of for CS and AI research.

Blogger Karhu September 23, 2019 5:38 PM  

Correction to one previous statement, it was Bell Labs' 32V that swapped on the Vax. BSD 3.0 was the first BSD distribution for the Vax, and it paged. Following was 4.0, and it took another two point releases to first get fast, and the reliable and featureful enough. My direct experience was with 2.x for PDP-11s and 4.2 and 4.3.

Blogger Ugly Hunchback September 24, 2019 2:08 AM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Mr.MantraMan wrote:We are just lucky that women especially our spoiled white women consider indoor plumbing and other consumer luxuries as status symbols. If for some reason women especially white women felt that shitting in the woods sans toilet was the apex of status ...

Azure Amaranthine wrote:I expect to see harems again before it's over at this rate. ...because nothing less could possibly be a fitting punishment for the women involved.

These are women we're talking about; feral and irretrievably damaged, but still women. Being forcibly kept out of the harems because they are toxic, forced to live and die alone, would be far more painful punishment, and far better deterrence for the others.


1. God has nothing to do with technology. That's laughable, given how wicked the modern world is. As Gómez Dávila puts it: "Man's three enemies are: the devil, the state, and technology."

"God invented tools, the devil machines."

You guys don't understand that it's the modern world+its technology that led to our modern vulgar decadent and mediocre existence.

2. Most people die alone, even if they had children. Parents become burden in old age and are moved into nursing home. A Hagestolzensteuer was already discussed in the 19th century. A harem is punishment because of its vulgarity, but I guess one needs to be able to recognize that living life like an animal---an existence consumed by animal desires---is vulgar.

Goethe, Shakespeare, Vergil, Homer, Dante -- they lived when electricity did not exist. To quote Gómez Dávila again: "The cultural standard of an intelligent people sinks as its standard of living rises."

Here is another qoute to show how "scientific" the SSH is, namely hardly more than psychoanalysis. From Chris Langan's post "Comments on Nazi Germany":

"Nazi Germany was an evil reaction to another preexisting kind of evil. Unfortunately, while Nazi Germany has disappeared, the coherent evil that inspired it has not, and this is a large part of our current problem.

Right. As far as Germany is concerned, everyone is forever knocking the so-called “nazi stud farms” of the 1930’s and 40’s. But before one can even dream of doing this in any meaningful way, one must consider the alternatives available in the present reproductively degenerate environment … and we’re not just talking about genocidally replacing indigenous Europeans with maladaptive foreigners. (As I say, the situation here is nearly as bad. As one of the premier bouncers in New York, if not the best-known of all, I was nothing if not accessible to women. That I didn’t get any reproductive play on Eastern LI, where rich and pampered women abound, and that I simultaneously watched these decadent party girls having out-of-wedlock children by a succession of dunces, creeps, and minority players, is really quite informative when you come right down to it.) Truly, the Caucasian genome is in freefall."

Blogger Deterministic Randomness September 24, 2019 4:52 PM  

The very existence of a genius is living proof that equality is a lie. But leftists/SJWs, instead of accepting the cold logic of facts, decide instead to fix the "problem" with an obvious solution: destroy all the geniuses.

Blogger JamesB.BKK September 25, 2019 6:25 AM  

Gavin McInnis was once asked to do a TEDx talk on teamwork. The product: https://youtu.be/6fUhMIzvpQk

Blogger Mark Miller September 28, 2019 8:37 AM  

Unfortunately, this doesn't surprise me. I remember seeing the same thing happen to Brendan Eich at Mozilla in 2014. He was one of the inventors of JavaScript, which regardless of what you think of it (I have some criticisms of it), runs a significant part of the web today. No matter. He was as disposable as yesterday's trash for not being "woke" before that was a thing. At the time, I thought, "Oh geez. So this is the politics of open source software now, is it?" Stallman was just the latest victim of this same phenomenon.

As people can guess, this was not the first time Stallman said something that made people gasp. Unfortunately, the reference to the specific example I was going to cite has disappeared, due to the fact that these things don't stay on the internet forever (servers go down. People delete old sites, etc.). It was a more tolerant time...

Indeed, we become a dumb society if all we care about is people's opinions of social matters. Build a bridge that collapses, and kills people, but at least the designer believed in LGBTQ rights. Never mind if it kills someone who's L, G, B, T, Q or whatever the hell you want to call yourself. We sweep that little contradiction under the rug.

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