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Thursday, September 05, 2019

This. So very much this.

The invaluable Nate explains how Generation X has killed The Beatles for good.
GenZ has never heard the Beatles and likely never will... because GenX hates them and never played them for their kids in GenZ.
He's absolutely right. Neither Spacebunny nor I ever played any of their songs for our kids. Prince, yes. AC|DC, yes. David Sylvian, absolutely. Handel, Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, The Eagles, The Beach Boys, and even Duran Duran, yes. But no Beatles, no Rolling Stones, and they are far more familiar with The Hu than The Who.

In the amusingly damning words of one GenZ metal guitar player, "The Beatles will be around about as long as Justin Bieber."

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Blogger szook September 05, 2019 2:36 PM  

BOOM...HEAD SHOT!

Blogger Giraffe September 05, 2019 2:39 PM  

Thank God. I'm doing my part; as far as I know, my kids have never heard of the Beatles.

Blogger Crew September 05, 2019 2:40 PM  

Well, I have to admit that The Hu are more inspiring than The Who, even though Wont Get Fooled Again was really just controlled opposition music.

Blogger Sgt Polite September 05, 2019 2:41 PM  

I have NEVER understood Boomer love of the Beatles, they are so over-rated. I do like some of the Stones songs though. My son is getting Classic and 80s exposure currently, and I will introduce best of other decades as time rolls on. The only new music being made I currently like is synth-wave and its variations, but quality really varies.

Blogger Gr8Again September 05, 2019 2:45 PM  

I agree about the Beatles. I never play them. The kids barely know any of their songs. The Rolling Stones are much better and have had much more staying power. The kids don't really like them all that much, but their music still gets plenty of air play on the local radio stations.

My kids love some of the other Boomer bands including the Eagles, Fleetwood Mac and Pink Floyd.

Blogger Timmy3 September 05, 2019 2:48 PM  

I never played it. I never liked them. They were a boy band like N’Sane.

Blogger Latigo3 September 05, 2019 2:48 PM  

Yeah, interesting what my 19 yeaar old musician son told me a couple of years ago (he plays the bass, electric guitar and piano), he says to me one day; "Dad, how did the Beatles make it big, their music is so basic and not extraordinary". He definitely was not into them. My parents loved them, as I got older I moved away from them. Too much better stuff out there in the 80's.

Blogger widlast washere September 05, 2019 2:49 PM  

My oldest son listens to Metallica and those like them, my youngest to other various metal groups. We really have no need or use for the Beatles.

Blogger The Only Cigar in the Box September 05, 2019 2:51 PM  

Brings to mind the lyrics of Allen Sherman's Pop Hates the Beatles

My daughter needs a new phonograph
She wore out all the needles
Besides I broke the old one in half
I HATE THE BEATLES

Funny how GenX and the Greatest Generation seem to have the same opinion of them.

Blogger Bultz September 05, 2019 2:52 PM  

AC/DC are immortal, I feel sympathy for anyone who has never seen them live. I never listened to The Beatles, and to be honest the amount of songs I could name of theirs I can count on one hand with fingers left over

Blogger Matrick September 05, 2019 2:55 PM  

I had a phase of liking 1960s music while in my early twenties, but I basically ignored the Beatles. I'm barely aware of their work other than the most obvious hits. And I'm British. I'm supposed to worship them.

Blogger peacefulposter September 05, 2019 2:56 PM  

There may still be hope for Justin Bieber. Not for his music, of course, but for him as man. His recent statement demonstrated great humility and self awareness. Also very positive on marriage.

Blogger Homesteader September 05, 2019 2:58 PM  

My kids know Frank Sinatra.

NOT John Lennon.

Blogger Unknown September 05, 2019 3:01 PM  

My parents are both Boomers. Never was played any Beatles in my childhood, so they retained a kind of mythic image until I listened in my late teens. Instead we got a heady dose of Pink Floyd, Bob Marley, James Brown and Van Morrison. No complaints here.

Blogger MaskettaMan September 05, 2019 3:02 PM  

Imagine all the people, givinggg ze-ro fucckkkss yoohoooooo

Blogger nbfdmd September 05, 2019 3:02 PM  

@12: When you reach a certain level of fame and wealth, it's literally Stoicism/Christianity or death. Those are your choices.

Blogger Steve Canyon September 05, 2019 3:04 PM  

There's 2 Beatles songs I like. The rest of them only had appeal to bubbleheaded Northeastern chicks and Jewish dudes from NYC. Granted, the pool of influencers in my life was limited to legit Vietnam vets from the southern half of the US, but every guy I knew of that generation thought the Beatles really stunk. They were either into Cash, Jones, and Hank Williams or harder stuff like Steppenwolf, Arthur Lee, or Hendrix. And the Beach Boys. Beatles/Stones were chick music bands

Blogger xevious2030 September 05, 2019 3:06 PM  

Only one of my kids has heard the Beatles, two songs, hated both. Thankfully. Both kids Gen A. The Beatles have no future.

Blogger Gregory the Great September 05, 2019 3:12 PM  

It was when I played my Rita Mitsouko CD that my son suddenly said: This is actually music I like.

Blogger ZW September 05, 2019 3:12 PM  

It's regional. Zoomers in the Pacific Northwest are well aware of the Beatles, as they're still pushed by the school systems there.

Blogger Daniel September 05, 2019 3:12 PM  

Even Boomer Sharon Tate probably hated the Beatles, at least for a few minutes.

Blogger One Deplorable DT September 05, 2019 3:16 PM  

Imagine there's no Beatles
It's easy if you try
No yellow submarine below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people...
...forgetting their crappy songs.


My parents were either very late silents or very early boomers, depending on your cutoff year. But they behaved like silents. Thinking back if you had asked my parents about the Beatles they would have said the Beatles were one of the great bands. Yet...I never heard them on the stereo. Not in the home, not in the car. I don't even know if my parents owned one of their albums.

Guess actions speak louder than words.

Blogger Weak September 05, 2019 3:18 PM  

Teach your children well indeed

Blogger D. H. Rogers September 05, 2019 3:18 PM  

I only acknowledge the Beatles as having a theoretical influence on pop music, and also for some innovations in production. Otherwise, I've never been that much of a fan and only consider a select few of their songs as conveying much emotional impact. Lyrically they contributed little.

Blogger Noah B. September 05, 2019 3:19 PM  

Appropriately, Sharon Tate was a Silent.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 05, 2019 3:19 PM  

I have a great idea for a movie:
In the year 2030, everybody in the world has forgotten the Beatles. Then some Hindu in London happens upon their master tapes and learns every one of their songs by heart. He begins a performance career ...
and is booed off of every stage, and encouraged to learn to write real music.

Blogger Nation-Deprived September 05, 2019 3:20 PM  

The park by my house does free live music each week, and recently they had a Beatles cover band. Utterly CRAWLING with Boomers. The regulars there said the venue was unusually crowded. I just don’t get the appeal.

Blogger Michael September 05, 2019 3:21 PM  

Somebody should take the 1960s out back and put a bullet in its head.

Blogger Worlds Edge September 05, 2019 3:24 PM  

They seem popular on Spotify in absolute terms (250 million songs streamed as of the link), with the largest group of listeners being betweeen ages 25-34.

https://insights.spotify.com/int/2016/01/22/meet-the-beatles-data/


How that compares to their peers (The Doors, Beach Boys, Byrds and so on) or to the most popular current acts of 2016 they (sadly) do not indicate.

Blogger Anthea September 05, 2019 3:26 PM  

I was a kid when the Beatles were popular. One Christmas, I got both The Beatles' "Sgt Pepper" and the Rolling Stones "Banquet for the Devil" albums. My father, a devout Christian, took one look at the art on the album covers and angrily said,"This is satanic."

A few years later, I got the Beatles' "Magical Mystery Tour" album. I hated the songs so much I took a knife and scratched it to pieces.

Beatles songs always sounded like evil carnival music to me, like something out of that 1962 horror film "Carnival of Souls."

Yup. Dad was right. The Beatles and the Rolling Stones are satanic.

Blogger Retrenched September 05, 2019 3:26 PM  

Never cared for the Beatles or Rolling Stones. I still like most of The Doors stuff with Morrison though, except maybe Soft Parade.

Blogger JonM September 05, 2019 3:26 PM  

It's even worse inside the belly of the beast. My kid, a budding punk/metal guitarist, has to fight against the Boomer self-love on a regular basis. The few old guys who show any interest in working with kids operate from a default perspective that music began in 1955 and ended in 1979. All of their "help" revolves around ensuring the next generation plays their tired old classic rock tunes - the ones that represent the pinnacle of music, as everyone knows.

They take personal affront when they suggest a song from fifty years ago and my kid admits to never having heard of it. Even better are conversations involving their staunch defense of classic songs that feature guitar solos, which must not be changed by even so much as a note. When my guitarist freestyles a bit, you can see the Boomer musicians tense up and a few have even chastised her for desecrating their nostalgic hymns. "That's not how Bryan May wrote it - it's disrespectful to change it."

Unfortunately, they still hold the reins when it comes to live venues and guidance. My kid dies some dues paying right now by humoring them. Once they leave the picture though, my kid will probably never play another "classic" rock song again.

Blogger Crew September 05, 2019 3:27 PM  

Although I must admit to liking Sabaton's Gott Mit Uns!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVg28azacaM

and Ghost Division!

Blogger BassmanCO September 05, 2019 3:29 PM  

Gen-X here. Funny, I grew up listening to Oldies (50's - 70's) with my mom and whatever was popular on the radio with my dad. I like the Beatles, but understand why people don't like their stuff. I do think it is amusing when people compare the Beatles to anything outside of their contemporaries, especially in regards to sound quality. Its like comparing the Baroque to Classical or Romantic periods. Their were different expectations of compositional quality/style as well as different instruments being used.

I personally think Pink Floyd sucks, mostly because their music is so somber and self-involved, but again, if someone else enjoys it, good for them. As long as people don't act like their music is the most inspired thing ever, which honestly can only be said about things like Handel's "Messiah" anyway, who really cares?

Blogger DeepThought September 05, 2019 3:35 PM  

Thank God for this. I have always disliked the Beatles. I am glad to see I am not alone.

Blogger Longtime Lurker September 05, 2019 3:36 PM  

"AC/DC are immortal."

Except for Malcolm. He's not immortal.

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 05, 2019 3:43 PM  

@26 Snidely, when I saw that movie coming out earlier this year, I thought we'd never hear the end of it, that Boomers would make it the biggest thing ever. Seems like the critics didn't really care for it, though. Maybe they just couldn't handle the concept of a world where people don't know the Beatles, even in fiction.

Blogger Homesteader September 05, 2019 3:45 PM  

Sabaton- History, Honor, martial prowess, great music.

Carolus Rex!

Blogger Angantyr September 05, 2019 3:48 PM  

Interestingly, I used to know a fellow some years ago now who was from England, and he stated that when he first heard the Beatles he vomited... Seems a fitting response.

Blogger Quinten Quartermain September 05, 2019 3:54 PM  

Good youtube vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Vt4ejyosn4

Blogger Ben Cohen September 05, 2019 3:58 PM  

Anyone here like The Band?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 05, 2019 3:58 PM  

I've gone from mild indifference of the Beatles (musically speaking only) to pure, gibbering hatred of the band.

Blogger Silent Draco September 05, 2019 3:59 PM  

The Beatles had one saving grace, and that was Ringo. He was probably the most consistent drummer in rock history, a human metronome keeping nearly every song on time and tempo. Without him, the Beatles implode in the early 60s like every boy band. The rest of them - moderate musical gifts, and catchy pop tunes.

The 'artistic' studio albums pushed by early Boomers, Sgt. Pepper and onward, have a lot of song fragments or songs tack-welded together to make uneasy triptychs. Bland offerings or no attention to detail.
The popularity is easily explained by two X chromosomes or heavy use of LSD, pot, shrooms, whatever.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 05, 2019 4:01 PM  

I guess the future is presaged by looking at Handel's popularity across the entire planet. As I've often stated, the era of mass-everything looks out of time. No more mass market, mass nation-state, mass-movement (except acceleration of all parts outward from the center, in every direction of a spherical compass.)

At least I doubt we'll be going to literal war over whose music is to be played.

Blogger Goodnight September 05, 2019 4:04 PM  

I'm a GenX-er. My parents mostly listened to country though my mom was also a huge Elvis fan. As a kid I mostly heard Alabama, Waylon Jennings, Kenny Rogers, etc. I got into metal as a teenager in the 1980s - Metallica, Megadeth, etc

I don't think I could have named more than a couple of Beatles songs until well into my 30s. My wife serious hates the Beatles so I surprise play them from time to time to tease her. One day my kindergartener started singing Ticket to Ride and I knew I'd gone too far though.

Blogger thalios September 05, 2019 4:06 PM  

I just wanted to add...

I hate The Beatles.

Blogger Calvin809 September 05, 2019 4:06 PM  

I like them for the most part.

Blogger cecilhenry September 05, 2019 4:08 PM  

Never understood the popularity of the Beetles.

Whenever I hear the name and how 'great' they were I keep looking for some other band I've never seen.

And then I realize... oh, its still THIS

Blogger Richard Holmes September 05, 2019 4:08 PM  

I never played the Beatles when my kids were young. I don't know why. I never bought one of their songs either. Still I don't know why. Them coming on the radio didn't get my attention. I guess I never liked them either.

Blogger Longtime Lurker September 05, 2019 4:14 PM  

@41: "Anyone here like The Band?"

Now there's a trick question!

Blogger Tom September 05, 2019 4:16 PM  

If ever my dog gets fleas, I'll name four of them John, Paul, George, and Ringo.

Ladies and gentlement, The Fleatles!

Blogger Northwest Watching Thing September 05, 2019 4:19 PM  

The only reason my kids know anything about the Beatles is because my dad always tries to push their music when he comes to visit. They politely say "yes grandpa" when he yammers on about the Beatles, but they're at best indifferent to their music.

Blogger Mr. Roshi September 05, 2019 4:25 PM  

well, i like the beatles, (about half of their songs anyway) and i like mozart too.

Blogger David Ray Milton September 05, 2019 4:27 PM  

@Mr. Roshi

You probably like sodomy too.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 05, 2019 4:29 PM  

I've definitely noticed a decline in the popularity of the Beatles since I was younger. Same with The Rolling Stones or Elvis, or whatever other Boomer music there is out there. Led Zeppelin has been holding up better, although that may be more early GenX than Boomer, which is telling, I think... there appears to be a definite tuning-out of Boomer music, but not '70s or '80s material, among the younger generations.

My own parents prefer classical music, so I hope this is a reasonably accurate outside observation.

Blogger Nate September 05, 2019 4:32 PM  

nothing satisfies like a good beatles hate thread.

Blogger Mr. Roshi September 05, 2019 4:33 PM  

@david ray milton

nope

Blogger James Pyrich September 05, 2019 4:33 PM  

Our radio was tuned to news or talk radio growing up, so I was spared the overexposure to Boomer music. I'm mostly indifferent to it. What puts me off is the the gushing over long-dead mediocre acts. I had a similar reaction to my father's second wife melting over the thought of Elvis as I had to a girl my age who said she loved the Beatles. Kinda... kinda gross, guys. Stop.

Blogger Newscaper312 September 05, 2019 4:36 PM  

Figured I was on the right track with my early Gen Z son (just turned 21) when he was maybe 8 or 10. Rob Thomas had some new solo happy pop song out. Kid saw the video -had diverse people in colorful outfits having some spontanous street celebration- and said with a hint of a sneer "Rob Zombie is cooler than Rob Thomas."

Blogger Clint September 05, 2019 4:41 PM  

Elvis is more Silent than Boomer. When the boomers came around he got pushed aside and started wearing sequined jump suits, got fat, and died.
His music is still good.

Beatles? They suck. I knew they sucked when I was a kid.

Blogger Gregory the Great September 05, 2019 4:41 PM  

You gotta say something in their favour: They knew when and why to stop.

Blogger God Emperor Memes September 05, 2019 4:41 PM  

I thought Yellow Submarine was a great song...when I was four years old.

Blogger kurt9 September 05, 2019 4:42 PM  

I knew you were alright, Vox. I'm sick of Beetlemania and generally dislike 60's rock and countercultural mania as well.

Blogger kurt9 September 05, 2019 4:43 PM  

I do like Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin, in small doses. However, I consider these to be early 70's rather than 60's.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 September 05, 2019 4:45 PM  

What's interesting about that is that my parents are Boomers but they never played The Beatles for me either. I grew up on country music.

That said, my sister is GenX and I don't think she'll be playing them for her kids either.

Blogger kurt9 September 05, 2019 4:49 PM  

The way to torment boomers is to tell them that we are now closer to 2070 than when that Abby Road album cover photo was taken.

Blogger Gianna September 05, 2019 4:49 PM  

@19
Thanks for this comment. I had completely forgot about them - a really fun band!

Blogger Unknown September 05, 2019 4:56 PM  

There was lots of great music in the 60's, Hendrix, tons of awesome Motown, but the Beatles just were not that good.

Blogger FALPhil September 05, 2019 4:59 PM  

But Vox, did you ever play Rock Sugar, the greatest classic rock'n'roll band for your kids?

I knew I was getting old when, one day, I was in a line behind two young women, and one said to the other, "You mean Paul McCartney was in a band before Wings?"

Blogger M Cephas September 05, 2019 5:00 PM  

I didn't hear The Beatles growing up, but I did hear one of their songs in a restaurant that compelled me to look it up online. The song was "Let it Be".

I do like that song.

Blogger vmax71 September 05, 2019 5:00 PM  

Gen Xer here.

Thank God....that I have not heard a negative comment on Zeppelin so far....If I did, I might consider going ANTIFA on them

Blogger The Cooler September 05, 2019 5:02 PM  

I got your 6, vmax71.

Blogger NateM September 05, 2019 5:03 PM  

I'm surprised with your Hatred of all things boomer.it doesn't extend to the eagles. Especially their soft late 70s pop country pap. I Like them and I'd still laugh if Don Henley got run over with a truck

There Were talented guitarists at the time but the music, even the Rock of the time didn't have much balls with the exception of the Skynyrds, Jethro Tull's and Molly hatchets unless you were into punk, which was more spectacle than music. Or Lou Reed and Bowie, weird music played by fruits. The Xers got Rick off life support with groups like Crue, GnR.

Blogger FALPhil September 05, 2019 5:06 PM  

NateM, I have to say that Prince was one of the most talented guitarists I have ever seen in person. And I have seen a few, the notable ones being Satriani, Clapton, Steven Curtis Chapman, and Eddie van Halen. Prince could improvise like no one I have ever seen.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf September 05, 2019 5:07 PM  

All my memories of listening to Boomer music was with my father and his loser moocher friends getting stoned - I was naturally repulsed.

My children play violin and piano and grew up listening to Mozart and Bach in the bath every evening.

I remember my daughter was so sensitive (from about two or three) that when hip-hop would begin playing in the background of your typical clothing shop she'd cover her ears and cry. Her aversion to Boomer music and Hip Hop was so extreme we actually took her in for an ear exam ':-)

The doctor advised we avoid that kind of music. No kidding :D

Blogger Blaidd September 05, 2019 5:10 PM  

My sister loved the Beatles when we were growing up. I never understood the appeal. Luckily my boomer parents were partial to country and southern rock so I wasn't subjected to the Beatles much.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf September 05, 2019 5:11 PM  

nbfdmd wrote:@12: When you reach a certain level of fame and wealth, it's literally Stoicism/Christianity or death. Those are your choices.With a bit of tweaking, this would make a profound and insightful comment on society as a whole.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia September 05, 2019 5:12 PM  

D. H. Rogers wrote:I only acknowledge the Beatles as having a theoretical influence on pop music, and also for some innovations in production. Otherwise, I've never been that much of a fan and only consider a select few of their songs as conveying much emotional impact. Lyrically they contributed little.

I think that's right. Their main contribution is showing future songwriters that you didn't need to follow standard verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus form. Also McCartney was among the first who showed that you could drive a melody with a bass line.

Before they drifted off into long form pretentiousness, they were effectively a very tight bar band, with good singing and harmonizing (though when it came to harmonizing, the Beach Boys were the pinnacle). That the Beatles were able to do such ensemble playing and singing before monitors and sound boards-- well, you have give them props for that.

Every musician is a product of their influences, and while the Beatles looked to Buddy Holly and Little Richard and Elvis, they also evolved from the English dance hall music tradition, with crooner superficial sentimentalist ballads like "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away."

Little Richard wouldn't have been caught dead doing such a schlock song.

Blogger sammibandit September 05, 2019 5:15 PM  

Nate really killed it in that thread. From this damning exposé of boomer relics to his interpretation of grunge being optimistic and community-focused, he really stuck it to the man.

His comments made me think that for as much as boomers give gen x flak for being "anti-social", "cynical", "off in their own little world" the music choices of gen x as they came of age don't bear that out. Their music choices now still don't bear that out but boomers never updated their gen x characterizations.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 05, 2019 5:20 PM  

Ben Cohen wrote:Anyone here like The Band?
I do.

I am not proud of this fact.

Blogger map September 05, 2019 5:24 PM  

The only really good Beatle's song that will stand the test of time is probably "Yesterday." Yesterday is so out-of-character from their other music that I half-suspect it wasn't written by them.

Boomer's are fools if they think their mass-manufactured, psyop 60's "counterculture" had anything to do with their grassroots involvement. Their whole counterculture was government-created controlled opposition. Did they not realize that Jim Morrison's father was an admiral? Wasn't most of their music composed by a group of studio musicians called The Wrecking Crew?

And, despite the boomers being a**holes, their artists typically rave about a lot of the new school musicians.

Here is Brian May commenting on Nuno Bettencourt from Extreme:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=brian+may+on+nuno+bettencourt

Blogger Meng Greenleaf September 05, 2019 5:24 PM  

vmax71 wrote:Gen Xer here.

Thank God....that I have not heard a negative comment on Zeppelin so far....If I did, I might consider going ANTIFA on them
I think I heard Stefan Molyneux say Led Zeppelin was satanic (maybe in a podcast within the past couple of weeks)

I happen to have this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFSgLPgu_w0) on my phone, so the comment stuck.

Blogger Verne September 05, 2019 5:27 PM  

In reality The Beatles were nothing more then a boy band. The Justin Bieber comparison was prefect. Among us late boomers they had almost no fans. When we wanted an older rock sound, it was more likely to be the Beach Boys, maybe Rick Barry. My millennial children like my old music. Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, Pink Floyd, AC/DC of the old rock group. But the Beatles did not age well. Im not sure they even know who they are. I have no idea what was so great about them. But then Dick Dale and Van Halen were local bar bands when and where I grew up.

Blogger Arcux September 05, 2019 5:30 PM  

Boomers are trying so hard with movies like "Yesterday"; not to mention "Bohemian Rhapsody", "Rocketman" & the "Mamma Mia" movies....just can't let go of their heyday.

Blogger map September 05, 2019 5:31 PM  

Damn...wrong youtube link.

Brian May on Nuno Bettencourt:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqkKFhFMaIw

Blogger wahr01 September 05, 2019 5:31 PM  

The Beatles are the world's largest-scale forced meme since "muh russia".

The only reason people in my generation find it pleasant is their continuous exposure to them via Oldies stations.

Blogger Jay In NYC September 05, 2019 5:32 PM  

Nonsense,of course. The Beatles are still selling strongly...they always will.

Blogger sammibandit September 05, 2019 5:38 PM  

Of popular rock bands of that era there are timeless in comparison to the Fab Four. The Kinks come to mind. Boomers aren't that into them though, let alone their 70s and 80s material though. Their song called Young Conservatives (1983) is still relevant.

https://youtu.be/ksJAx_m4wew

Have you heard the word?
The revolution's over.
Now the anger's disappeared
And the rebels are much older.
And the schools and universities
Are turning out a brand new breed of young conservatives.
Get yourself a brand new scene,
Keep your collars white and clean,
It's time to come and join the young conservatives.
Revolution used to be cool,
But now it's out of fashion.
Politeness is the rule,
And not an angry young man's passion.
And they've used up all the alternatives,
And they're rushing down the street to join
The young conservatives.
Conservatives.

Blogger Gregory the Great September 05, 2019 5:41 PM  

@85 Brian May got that one right!

Blogger Longtime Lurker September 05, 2019 5:43 PM  

Gen Z discovers Uriah Heap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgbJsvkiTrs&list=RDMM_WWJ6fWdrnA&index=19

Blogger xevious2030 September 05, 2019 5:48 PM  

"But then Dick Dale and Van Halen were local bar bands when and where I grew up. "

Dick Dale, both like that sort. The surfer channel. Neither like The Beach Boys, thank goodness. Youngest likes Vox too, "put on your Vox channel Dada." Good for the drive home.

Blogger The Cooler September 05, 2019 5:48 PM  

The Beatles sucked. But if you don't like this, there's something wrong with you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SFNW5F8K9Y

Then again, if Tom Petty and Prince were to have done Row Row Row Your Boat I'd have probably loved it.





Blogger Phil Mann September 05, 2019 5:49 PM  

What the Beatles were were innovators.

In a time when popular music was heard mostly on transistor radios, played over AM stations paid by influential studios to promote same small group of established artists, and when "rock" consisted of basically the same old I, IV V chord progression played over a simple rock beat by guys who all looked like sleazy 50's greasers, the heavily promoted and hyped Beatles, with their cute boyish looks, long hair and charming British ways offered a RADICAL change to what existed before.

That combined with tens of millions of adolescents and teenagers looking to "rebel" against something, anything, is what largely accounted for the Beatles phenomenon.

They were also the first to at least popularize, if not invent, such things as distortion, feedback, exotic instrumentation and time signatures, "concept" albums and subjects other than girls and/or surfing in rock music. That others later wound up doing these things far better than the Beatles did does not detract from their status as innovators.

Memories of these things by old-timers approaching their dotage is what accounts for whatever popularity they retain.

Will the Beatles be a footnote in music in a decade or two? Probably. But that happens to most musicians not named Bach, Beethoven, Chopin, etc. And it will likely happen to whoever the current hot-shots are today, given time.

Blogger tantonj September 05, 2019 5:52 PM  

Unfortunately there are plenty of millenials (my cohort) who love the beetles. However, I've noticed all the people I know who love the beetles also have "decided" to "enjoy life" instead of have kids. So I guess we don't have to worry. I suppose they are taking the lessons of the Beetles' songs to heart. They're also idiots.

Blogger NateM September 05, 2019 5:55 PM  

FALphil I learned from here actually what a talented played he was. I just figured he was a talented performer and writer.

But I was referring more to the 70s. Mick Mars was around in the 70s performing under various groups and names (namely Zorky Charlemagne)

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 05, 2019 5:59 PM  

Jay In NYC wrote:Nonsense,of course. The Beatles are still selling strongly...they always will.
This is undoubtedly the stupidest Boomer take possible. The Beatles were a mediocre but over-promoted boy band of the early 60's. Unlike the Monkees, they didn't have the grace to degenerate into a lawsuit factory until they had been in business for 15 years.
Listen to one of their public performances. Do you think the screaming and the fainting is on account of their superior musicianship, or their preternatural songwriting ability?
I will repeat what I said in the other thread; The Beatles are over, done and dusted. Nobody under 60 buys their music.
Nobody.

Blogger Bill Chunko September 05, 2019 6:03 PM  

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Blogger P Glenrothes September 05, 2019 6:06 PM  

I play a few Beatles songs, as well as many other songs on my guitar for the grandkids. They have no idea what they are listening to. Perhaps one day they will hear "I Want You", "Come Together" or "Helter Skelter" and they will recognize it.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 05, 2019 6:16 PM  

The Cooler wrote:But if you don't like this, there's something wrong with you
Note who the musicians are NOT. That song was written by Harrison, who was allowed no more than one song per side. And the only really good part was ... a fucking amazing solo by Prince.

Blogger Alen September 05, 2019 6:17 PM  

I listened to the Red and Blue albums as a teenager a few times, and there were a few good songs: A day in the life, Hey Jude, Penny lane, but mostly it’s all inconsequential carnival music, as someone else pointed out.

Then about 10 years ago I discovered The Smiths, and the lyrics and the melodies are much better. But now on Vox’s recommendation I started listening to David Sylvian. Never really heard about him, and it’s not exactly easy going. One music aficionado I know told me "that music is quite demanding, it’s not easy to listen to". So I figured it’s probably like great literature, the effort pays off eventually. Well, I just discovered "The other side of life" last week, a wonderful song, and I can’t stop listening to it, and I bet there are many more like it. So it definitely pays off.

Basically, what I’m seeing more clearly now that I’m over 40 is the development of my taste in modern music from younger to older years. And it’s definitely an improvement.

For some reason I enjoy watching Sylvian’s interview videos even more, a really fascinating character.

Blogger Crush Limbraw September 05, 2019 6:18 PM  

Music, maestro!
Moonlight Serenade by Glenn Miller
Sing, Sing, Sing by Benny Goodman
Peanut Vendor by Stan Kenton
Stardust played and sung by Hoagy
Unforgettable by Nat King Cole
That's just for starters.
And those sessions with Frank, Dean and Sammy.
Add Queen Ella and Louis......
Now that's music!

Blogger Avalanche September 05, 2019 6:23 PM  

@7 "Dad, how did the Beatles make it big, their music is so basic and not extraordinary".

Because, AT THAT TIME, their music was basic and like nothing any of us had ever heard before! Not extraordinary except that: -- it was like nothing any of us had ever heard before! Did you not know there were marches and record burnings and protests against that "basic" music? Certainly that music WAS part of the degradation and destruction of our society.... but it was sure new!

Not a defense of Boomers, merely a bit of history y'all don't know; having never been confronted with something so "revolutionary." Same with the long-hair thing -- you younglings can't IMAGINE a time when no man EVER had hair past his ears! Look at old-timey vids -- where every man is wearing a hat, and nearly every woman is wearing gloves... We look in wonder now, but back then -- it was "normal" and breaking those social conventions was revolutionary.

Blogger maniacprovost September 05, 2019 6:26 PM  

I am a little amazed, not that everyone hates the boomer boomer media adulation of The Beatles, but that so many commenters are so critical of their music.

Part of me wonders if it's due to the low quality of radio and modern ear buds screening out everything except the treble. Taste is a factor as many people don't like sweet melodies, or can't forget the gay boy band hype.

I like their music because it is so efficiently engineered to a purpose. It's more minimalist than baroque.

Blogger Kat September 05, 2019 6:27 PM  

Now that I think of it the only people I know around our age who like the Beatles are all transBoomer types. My kids have listened to everything from outlaw country to Warren Zevon to contemporary swing bands. No Beatles. No Elvis. Glen Miller will be around longer than the British Invasion.

Blogger artensoll September 05, 2019 6:37 PM  

@90 "Gen Z discovers Uriah Heap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgbJsvkiTrs&list=RDMM_WWJ6fWdrnA&index=19"

This is what I grew up listening to. My boomer pops hated the Beatles. Thank God.

Blogger Kevin September 05, 2019 6:40 PM  

What category would Springsteen fall? I have contempt for him as much as the Beatles.

Blogger Doktor Jeep September 05, 2019 6:43 PM  

It's obvious, and the proof is in how the boomers just cannot see it.
The only thing that made the Beatles so big was that it was mass Madison Avenue monoculture. Nothing more.
And this would continue through to the late 1990s. It was practically done on purpose and mostly for money. That's why they spawned an era of hate for corporations by a generation when they broke privacy and tort boundaries trying to stop people from downloading music. They went into such a panic over their power and money loss. But even in the mid 90s, it was obvious that if they had the technology they would have had us swiping credit cards into our own home stereo systems just to buy the rights to hear the music. And those licenses would have been temporary.
I remember a lot of great musicians in the 80s. They could play like all the greats: Clapton, Hendrix, you name it. But the joke was on them. We only knew the greats as such because they were chosen ones. For every one of them were thousands who got to take their skills and become mechanics, accountants, proctologists, etc.
It was all a farce. A lie. And Beatlemania is nothing more than a facet of boomerism. An illustration of their collectivism.
Telling boomers that the Beatles sucked is a good way to tweak them though. And their stress on the matter is entirely a folly of their own making.

Blogger The Cooler September 05, 2019 6:48 PM  

@99 Price truly was an anomaly. I was there, by the by. Everyone was great.

As regards Harrison: His songs have more depth, so thinkers prefer them even though they are as technically vapid as anything else the Beatles did. I don't, however, think there was some plot on behalf of his band mates to put the kibosh on Harrison's music because it was 'better'.

Don't make me poast a Traveling Wilburys song. Because I'll do it.

Blogger Phil Mann September 05, 2019 6:59 PM  

Avalanche gets it.

Blogger Azimus September 05, 2019 7:03 PM  

My kids are in love with Gordon Lightfoot, Michael Jackson (mid-career), John Mellenkamp, Kenny Rogers, and Weird Al. Oh and whoever did those Snoopy songs vs Red Baron...

Blogger Nate September 05, 2019 7:07 PM  

Beatles were innovators my ass.

Blogger tuberman September 05, 2019 7:10 PM  

Sgt.Pepper's Lonely Heart Club Band was a turning point for me. Why the flake pictures of people like A. Crowly on the cover? I knew all about him and his connections to Jack Parsons, and the Scientology creator. I had contempt for Cults of all kinds, and that album had my spidey sense tingling. It screamed Cult connections or worse, started me on the path of thinking bad people were promoting the Beatles.

By the time Lennon was on his own, I regularly satirized his lyrics, especially "Imagine."

The Band was Made by the usual suspects.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia September 05, 2019 7:15 PM  

sammibandit wrote:Of popular rock bands of that era there are timeless in comparison to the Fab Four. The Kinks come to mind. Boomers aren't that into them though, let alone their 70s and 80s material though. .

Au contrairie. When I heard "All Day and All of The Night" on the WBIG radio, I was hooked.

Saw them twice. Ray Davies is a true artist.

Blogger Ransom Smith September 05, 2019 7:16 PM  

Ringo couldn't even play drums properly. They just needed a guy behind the drums.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia September 05, 2019 7:20 PM  

tuberman wrote:Sgt.Pepper's Lonely Heart Club Band was a turning point for me. Why the flake pictures of people like A. Crowly on the cover? I knew all about him and his connections to Jack Parsons, and the Scientology creator. I had contempt for Cults of all kinds, and that album had my spidey sense tingling. It screamed Cult connections or worse, started me on the path of thinking bad people were promoting the Beatles.

I think the cover was also a statement by the band that they belonged amongst the cultural zeitgeist, if not taking a preeminent position.

Sgt. Peppers is supposed to be "innovative" but the whole thing is permeated by midcentury English dance hall music. It makes it one of their more retrograde albums. It's like they can't escape the Saturday night musicale in Liverpool.

Blogger Gettimothy September 05, 2019 7:23 PM  

@114 I said that once and got my ass handed to me on a platter.

Turns out he is quite respected among rock drummers.


Not a rock fan.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 05, 2019 7:24 PM  

Harrison was limited because it wasn't his band. It was Lennon and McCartney's band. He was allowed one song per side, simply as a means of keeping him in line, because a change in guitarist would disrupt sales.

Blogger Ransom Smith September 05, 2019 7:27 PM  

I can't take a video seriously that pretends Questlove and Stewart Copeland are actual authorities on the subject.
And Grohl knows he's lying, you can see the look on his face when he says it.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia September 05, 2019 7:29 PM  

Ransom Smith wrote:Ringo couldn't even play drums properly. They just needed a guy behind the drums.

Well, others will disagree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJTjjAXDZSY

All of these drummers can easily replicate what Ringo does, because Ringo was not a virtuoso drummer and the guys in the video above are very skilled (Max Weinberg, for example, is also an accomplished big band drummer). But Ringo's playing fit, and it was inventive.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia September 05, 2019 7:31 PM  

Ransom Smith wrote:I can't take a video seriously that pretends Questlove and Stewart Copeland are actual authorities on the subject.

And Grohl knows he's lying, you can see the look on his face when he says it.


Really? You have a future career sizing up witnesses. I look forward to your future reports on this lucrative career arc.

Blogger Geir Balderson September 05, 2019 7:31 PM  

Well, so much for the Beatells. But, boy do i adore Enya!! She sends me!

Blogger Didas Kalos September 05, 2019 7:35 PM  

Your Dad must have been my Dad's brother from a different Mother. :)

Blogger Amethyst Dominica September 05, 2019 7:38 PM  

Beatles hatred is so old it's losing its hair and got wrinkles:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKwvX6rTMto

Their music may have been vapid, but it did range widely, from lyrical warbling like "Michelle", to the proto-proto-metal of "Helter-Skelter" and "Revolution." They may not have made the most delicious of dishes, but they certainly helped set the table.

I think the primary ding to their reputation comes not from their music, but from the utter tosspottery of one Mr. John Lennon. I don't think a more insufferable hypocrite has ever lived. A true modern celebrity - constantly wailing that the poor were downtrodden and oppressed, yet not inviting any of them to come live with him in his house. Dennis Wilson at least, let the Manson Family crash in his pad until he realized how crazy they were and kicked them out. This quote sums up John Lennon to a T:

"His admirers like to remember him as a man of bracing cynicism and withering wit, forever debunking convention and deflating pretension. What distinguished his career, in fact, was an astonishing degree of self-absorption. In truth, Lennon had always been a supreme individualist: a man apart, training to become high priest of the cult of the self."

Blogger Phil Mann September 05, 2019 7:39 PM  

I said that once and got my ass handed to me on a platter.

Very interesting and good point (Random Smith notwithstanding).

How many real, accomplished, and peer-respected musicians actually say that the Beatles sucked and/or were not innovative? Serious question.

(I once was going to comment that Jose Feliciano's cover of The Door's "Light My Fire" was a schlock job, only to discover -- fortunately before hitting the "post" button -- that Robbie Krieger himself liked it and thought it was very good.)

Blogger Eduardo September 05, 2019 7:46 PM  

Unforgettable by Nat King Cole....

Just awesome.

Blogger Hammerli 280 September 05, 2019 7:54 PM  

@121: Concur on Enya. She may be nuts, but she's talented.

I find the number of people here mentioning classical music to be interesting, it's much to my own taste. The classical composers ran from the merely very good to the fantastic.

One thing that bothers me is the lack of decent composers and lyricists these days. Confession - I'm a Carpenters fan. There are singers out there with real talent - the whole classical crossover crowd - but they don't have any material! Just the same old stuff...which grows tiresome.

Blogger Nate September 05, 2019 7:59 PM  

"Ringo's playing fit, and it was inventive."

No. There was nothing inventive about Ringo's playing. It is as basic as basic gets. Jesus.

Blogger BillHinDaytona September 05, 2019 8:00 PM  

I absolutely loved the Beatles when I was about 10-14. Even today, I don't hate on the Beatles. Sure, much of their catalog is a product of its own time and hasn't aged well, particularly Paul McCartney's stuff. But some holds up. Still, it's ALL been played so much that I just can't get through it. Basically, I can listen to In My Life and Let It Be, All My Loving and White My Guitar Gently Weeps, and the Second Side of Abbey Road. But not too much. I think if I were a boy again I would find them to be an exciting discovery. Or maybe that world's gone, too.


Blogger Nate September 05, 2019 8:02 PM  

The fact that there are rock drummers that carry water for ringo is no more relevant than Nick Saban talking about how good the team Bama is about to destroy is.

Blogger Eduardo September 05, 2019 8:02 PM  

Man is just funny watching you people bicker over a 60's boy band with really catchy tunes.

It's like I am watching the Yellow Submarine Animation, where the X'ers are the Blue Meanies and the Boomers are the Beatles and soon you all gonna form the Sargeant Vox Angry Hearts Club Band while With a little help from my friends play in the back and Nate is dressed as the Nowhere Man for no reason...

*eats popcorn*

Blogger Slen September 05, 2019 8:05 PM  

#130

Thread winner.

Blogger Phil Mann September 05, 2019 8:06 PM  

It is as basic as basic gets. Jesus.

C'mon man, what do you think rock is in the first place?

Blogger Welsh Woodsman September 05, 2019 8:09 PM  

While you guys keep bickering I’ll pour myself a scotch on the rocks and sit back and listen to some JJ Cale.

Blogger Scott September 05, 2019 8:17 PM  

The Beatles hate is deserved.

I like most of their songs, and I expect they'll be around longer than the comments here predict.

Blogger Welsh Woodsman September 05, 2019 8:19 PM  

When I was in college you could basically tell how shallow and lame a chick was by how much she loved the Beatles.

Blogger Chicken fried lice September 05, 2019 8:23 PM  

Now do glocks

Blogger Scott September 05, 2019 8:23 PM  

Also, Justin Bieber has some songs I enjoy. My musical tastes are plebeian.

Blogger Nate September 05, 2019 8:29 PM  

"C'mon man, what do you think rock is in the first place?"

Jeff Pacaro's Ghost is laughing at you right now. and Greg Bissonette would be stomping your ass for that stupid.. except he's just to damn happy to do that kind of thing.

Blogger Duh-ave September 05, 2019 8:33 PM  

@102 You are so right. I liked the Beatles but what I really miss is the society that you just described. Even first grade girls wore white gloves to Church, even in summer.

Blogger Nate September 05, 2019 8:33 PM  

Glocks are excellent handguns for women.

Blogger God Emperor Memes September 05, 2019 8:36 PM  

Yes but you must admit his work on Thomas the Tank Engine was seminal.

Blogger Ransom Smith September 05, 2019 8:37 PM  

Ringo's routine is what a 13 year old drum student learns.
He can barely keep time and doesn't set the pace or drive the music in any way.
A bored Travis Barker could be halfway through his latest divorce and out drum Ringo while blindfolded and upside down.

Blogger Manuel September 05, 2019 8:37 PM  

Oder millenial here and I hate the Beatles precisely because boomer teachers kept telling us how great they were, which made us hate them even more.

Blogger God Emperor Memes September 05, 2019 8:40 PM  

Pink Floyd is still my favourite band, even though I DESPISE Roger Waters.

Blogger Gettimothy September 05, 2019 8:45 PM  

Ransom Smith wrote:I can't take a video seriously that pretends Questlove and Stewart Copeland are actual authorities on the subject.

And Grohl knows he's lying, you can see the look on his face when he says it.


Not gonna troll ya, I have no idea who any of those people are. When confronted with that vid, I had no experience in the counter-args.

Buddy Rich vs Ed Shaughnessy where Ed kicked Buddy's ass out of the studio is my type of drummer comparison.

Blogger Stephen September 05, 2019 8:46 PM  

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Blogger Gettimothy September 05, 2019 8:48 PM  

Now do Neil Young!

What a vocalist!

Blogger Pseudotsuga September 05, 2019 8:50 PM  

Hammerli 280 wrote Confession - I'm a Carpenters fan. There are singers out there with real talent - the whole classical crossover crowd - but they don't have any material! Just the same old stuff...which grows tiresome.
Ah, the Carpenters! One of the most uncool AOR bands that no teen in the 70s would ever admit listening to.
But Karen Carpenter's voice warm alto voice was liquid gold, and her brother was quite the arranger.

Blogger Ransom Smith September 05, 2019 8:51 PM  

Not gonna troll ya, I have no idea who any of those people are.
Questlove is the drummer for "The Roots", who are on the Jimmy Fallon show.
And Stewart Copeland is from The Police.
Listen to Message in a Bottle for how basic Copeland drums.

Blogger Phil Mann September 05, 2019 8:53 PM  

Jeff Pacaro and Greg Bissonette. I see. And what were they playing in 1964? At the ripe old ages of 10 and 5 respectively?

More importantly, find for me, if you can, any criticism by either of these men of Ringo's playing. Honestly, I don't know if such exists -- it just might. If it does, please let me know.

My point stands. Rock was never intended to be more than basic, unpretentious, fun to play and fun to listen to "fast food" style music. And I say this as a reasonably accomplished amateur pianist who enjoys playing and listening to simple rock as much as Chopin. (With the added benefit of rock being much easier too.)

Blogger Gettimothy September 05, 2019 9:00 PM  

Ransom Smith wrote:Not gonna troll ya, I have no idea who any of those people are.

Questlove is the drummer for "The Roots", who are on the Jimmy Fallon show.

And Stewart Copeland is from The Police.

Listen to Message in a Bottle for how basic Copeland drums.



Da Roots? no idea
Jimmy Fallon? past my bedtime. Never watched him.
And Stewart Copeland is from The Police. Da Hu?



Blogger JaimeInTexas September 05, 2019 9:01 PM  

And I thought I was alone in my dislike of the Beatles.

Blogger Gettimothy September 05, 2019 9:07 PM  

Phil Mann wrote:Jeff Pacaro and Greg Bissonette. I see. And what were they playing in 1964? At the ripe old ages of 10 and 5 respectively?


My point stands. Rock was never intended to be more than basic, unpretentious, fun to play and fun to listen to "fast food" style music.



Listen to the Words Man! LISTEN TO THE WORDS!!!!

Every hippy-freak, long-haired, poetry-spouting, berkley-eternal, boomer Bob Dylan fan out there.
And every Bob Dylan fan is a Ringo Starr fan cause LSD.

Rock ain't fast food, it's the meaning of life AND death and every nirvana between man. Listen to the words man! Listen To The Words!.

(puts down bong, picks up bong, inhales, chokes, eyes roll back a bit...)

whoa!

Blogger Phil Mann September 05, 2019 9:12 PM  

Right on, Gettimothy, right on, man. RIGHT ON!

Blogger Glaivester September 05, 2019 9:14 PM  

When I think of a musical foursome from Liverpool, I think of A Flock of Seagulls.....

Blogger Grombard September 05, 2019 9:22 PM  

Relieved to read this. I was born in 1973 and hated them since Grade 1 when we were forced to sing Yellow Submarine and When I Sixty Four at school (Australia). I tell my kids that they are globalist puppets spreading liberalism

Blogger Max September 05, 2019 9:23 PM  

Yet another Canadian group that did American better than America!

Blogger Max September 05, 2019 9:24 PM  

I must admitt, when listened too on old speakers with the original vinyl they are charming. The songs also translate well into blues covers.

Blogger Dwayne Thundergrit September 05, 2019 9:29 PM  

There were no Beatles after their 'Rubber Soul' album anyway, just another bunch of manipulated manipulators working for the small hats.

Blogger Eduardo September 05, 2019 9:34 PM  

And when you hear the word Beatles, you ran, you ran so far away, you ran all night and day...

You couldn't get away from them

Blogger Sicilian switchblade September 05, 2019 9:38 PM  

Never understood beatle mania. The whole thing seemed manufactured to me. As if the radio and TV keeps repeating what a great bunch of musical geniuses they are everybody will begin to believe it.

I had friends in high school in the mid 90's who were almost as obsessed with the beatles as a 13 year old girl from the 60's would have been.

I personally saw zero talent in any of them, even just as a mediocre at best guitarist and writer myself.

The original "boy band" and nothing more.

Yes a majority of boomer music blows goats.

Blogger The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey September 05, 2019 9:43 PM  

When I was a kid Mom bought me two "grown up" records to play on the turntable I got for Christmas. She got me an Elvis album and the Beatles "Red" double-album. The record company put out a "red" double-album of the Beatles' early hits and a "blue" double-album of their later hits. I only had the red one.

I played those albums to death, they were all I had, and I loved them. I preferred Elvis, but I did love those Beatles.

Then, years later, I got the "blue" album of their later hits. Hated it. When they got all trippy and drugged out, from around St. Peppers onward, ... nah.

Gimme the "Mersey beat" Beatles, any day of the week. Much better.

My kids discovered the Beatles on their own, and they agree. Baby, you can drive my car, but not to Strawberry Fields or Penny Lane.

Blogger lazarus long September 05, 2019 9:46 PM  

Eternally grateful for the fact my boomer father hates the beatles

Blogger Ford Prefect September 05, 2019 9:53 PM  

@99: in the original recording the amazing guitar work was Eric Clapton. Apparently, Harrison wrote music he himself could not play, so they brought in help. The first time I heard it, I was oh so confused because the voices were clearly those of the Beatles, but the guitar was clearly Clapton. I learned something that day.

Blogger Alexandráus September 05, 2019 9:54 PM  

Aren´t all of the Beatles songs about drugs? I´ve heard that. I never really cared for their music outside of one or two songs myself.

Blogger The Cooler September 05, 2019 9:57 PM  

Ringo couldn't even play drums properly. They just needed a guy behind the drums.

This strategy worked out better for Metallica than it did for the Beatles.

But Ringo's playing fit, and it was inventive

You're higher than that other retard in that other thread. If Ringo Star's drumming is "inventive," how on God's green Earth would you characterize Danny Carey?

Rhetorical question, don't reply. I hit my limit for bloviating numpties at 3:17 p.m. EST.

Blogger Ransom Smith September 05, 2019 10:03 PM  

In fairness to Lars, he was too busy chasing after people pirating to bother practicing anything besides snare...snare...snare.
Also
Nyango Star > Ringo Star
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KLQqcYMVuo

Blogger Ty Richards September 05, 2019 10:04 PM  

Beatles & Stones were never in my musical vocabulary. I found them on my own in college but they came in went. Boomers as a whole have a negative legacy

Blogger Daniel September 05, 2019 10:06 PM  

C'mon. This song is awesome.

https://youtu.be/VhuU8KDLdO4

And so is this one, though they didn't pen it.

https://youtu.be/c0z_oWn2aDk

Blogger Daniel September 05, 2019 10:32 PM  

And, please, don't put whatever resentment you may have against the boomers on this guy.

https://youtu.be/Wb0Jmy-JYbA

Blogger HouellebecqGurl September 05, 2019 10:34 PM  

If only. Next to nothing good came out of the 60s, and that's coming from someone born in '66.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( racist, sexist, homophobic, bigoted honkies made Hindus stop burning their wives, WhiteManBad ) September 05, 2019 10:36 PM  

41. Ben Cohen September 05, 2019 3:58 PM
Anyone here like The Band?



i like Robertson solo.



82. Meng Greenleaf September 05, 2019 5:24 PM
I think I heard Stefan Molyneux say Led Zeppelin was satanic



Page openly claims to be a follower of Crowley.


83. Verne September 05, 2019 5:27 PM
But then Dick Dale and Van Halen were local bar bands when and where I grew up.



the first 100 watt guitar amp was built for Dick Dale.





weirdly, i met a guy who claims to have been in Thrill Kill Kult today. he's got Ministry logos all over his danger Ranger.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl September 05, 2019 10:37 PM  

Brian Wilson had more talent in his pinkie than the Beatles.

Blogger Ska_Boss September 05, 2019 10:41 PM  

Gotta give a shout-out to one boomer who knows how to jam, Uncle Ted (Nugent)! And an actual conservative to boot.

Blogger James Fox Higgins September 05, 2019 10:42 PM  

I have a pretty large vinyl collection, some of it generic, some of it rare, some of it modern. My oldest son used to get himself up early each morning, grab an apple, and put on vinyl to bop to when he was 2.

I don't have a single Beatles record, nor have ever thought to get one. I've never played a Beatles song in the house, and I don't think we've ever even mentioned the Beatles to our kids.

It's not that I hate the Beatles. I just have never considered them to be as good as the old folks claimed them to be, and as a professional musician I was often that guy amidst my sycophantic Beatles-worshipping peers who would stir outrage by stating quite plainly that (despite there being some good songs in the Beatles catalogue), they are superlatively over-rated, John Lennon was a raging communistic wife-beating asshole, and Wings was a more musically competent band and more interesting project than the Beatles. And Ringo STILL can't drum very well.

As you can imagine, I'm not the most beloved frontman in my local music scene. Suits me fine.

Blogger Welsh Woodsman September 05, 2019 10:44 PM  

Contrast the drumming of John Bonham on The Wanton Song with anything Ringo Starr ever played.
Bonham was exceptional..Ringo was beyond subpar.
Ive been a novice drummer my whole adult life and its clear that Ringo was a drummer with limited skill and no sense of rhythm.
The Beatles... a band made famous by the men in small hats.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl September 05, 2019 10:56 PM  

You don't know who Questlove (The Roots), Stewart Copeland (The Police), and Dave Grohl (Nirvana, Foo Fighters), are?
Are you 75 or 15, lol?

Blogger NateM September 05, 2019 10:59 PM  

They did write a song in honor of Epstein

Baby You're a Rich Fag Jew

Blogger HouellebecqGurl September 05, 2019 10:59 PM  

He's a basic bitch NormieCon who used to rape/kidnap teenage girls. Gonna be a hard pass from me, Geronimo.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl September 05, 2019 11:04 PM  

Here's my Beatles story. In 1993 my hubby and I bought his stepfather's house while he was in the military. He had a ton of things he'd left there to collect later. Hubby boxed them and put them in the attic. A year later he came to collect them. One item was a leather bound book that had velvet protective pouches for 45s.
Inside were all original Beatles 45s, including very rare ones.
They came out of our attic looking like a Dali painting subject. Lol.
Oops. Should've told us beforehand.

Blogger Welsh Woodsman September 05, 2019 11:04 PM  

"Next to nothing good came out of the 60s"

I make an exception for the Grateful Dead. Despite the fact they were intricately tied up with that CIA operative Owlsely Stanley and were such heavy drug users - everyone of the members were exceptional musicians. They were a band who loved to play music. Despite his demons, Jerry was a phenomenally talented guitarist.
They were also unique in the sense that they generated the vast majority of their income from touring not record sales. Their studio albums suck. Their live shows -especially the years 72 and 77...now were talking.

Blogger Mr. Naron September 05, 2019 11:12 PM  

Nate's exactly right. It's all about The Stones in my house. We have Beast of Burden on repeat 24/7. Please, classic rock radio, play nothing but Beast of Burden. If cow bell=Beast of Burden, we need moar cow bell.

Blogger aps September 05, 2019 11:16 PM  

The contrast between Cliff Richard and the beatles is interesting. Both were British pop/rock acts propelled to superstardom in the late 50s and 60s. One followed the quintessential rock star lifestyle filled with the usual sinful hippy nonsense and flamed out in 10 years. The other turned more and more deeply Christian, has ended up with a #1 hit in every decade from 1950 to 2010 and still tours despite closing in on 80 y/o.

Really makes you think...

Blogger MendoScot September 05, 2019 11:32 PM  

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Blogger Lazarus September 05, 2019 11:39 PM  

Most of the anti-Beatles commenters did not grow up in the mileu of the 50's I suspect.

They have no understanding of the the taste of those times.

Your perspective lacks the experience of the times when you did not exist.

Not your fault. But at least acknowledge you have a less than visceral understanding of the historical framework.

I had to put up with declaring which Beatle was my favorite.

The chicks wanted to know.

Blogger D. September 05, 2019 11:51 PM  

So much PRIDE(faggot TM) in the Beatles hate.

Blogger D. September 06, 2019 12:02 AM  

>"Next to nothing good came out of the 60s"<

The stupid hurts: integrated circuits for example clown.

Blogger Frank Spank September 06, 2019 12:03 AM  

Play Hey Jude to any Asian kid and watch your argument crumble. Then listen to Duran Duran whilst weeping quietly in the bathtub. Beatles aren't going anywhere.

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 06, 2019 12:11 AM  

We don't hate the Beatles because we just haven't heard enough of their stuff. Promise.

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 06, 2019 12:28 AM  

Your perspective lacks the experience of the times when you did not exist.

Our perspective includes the objectivity gained from the benefit of hindsight. Boomers remember Beatlemania, the "Fab Four" of smiling, clean-shaven boys, and the peak of their popularity. Gen X looks back without those rose-colored blinders and sees Yoko, smelly hairy hippies with stupid politics, and records full of LSD-fueled garbage that isn't worth calling experimental.

Blogger The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey September 06, 2019 12:52 AM  

I don't know what you guys are talking about when you say the Beatles were lousy musicians. They obviously were not. The weakest one on musical technique was John Lennon, but that is not to say he was any kind of slouch. Not at all! It's merely to say he was the weakest Beatle. Ringo Starr is getting all these knocks, but Ringo was a human metronome who never made a mistake. George Martin used to marvel at Ringo's dependable precision. Yes, Neal Peart he ain't. Ringo abhorred drum solos and fancy fills, tho. Most Merserybeat people (and this included all the Beatles) shrunk away from that paradigm. The thrust was in presentation, not pyrotechnics.

Somebody here said that George Harrison couldn't play the Clapton tracks on the Beatles releases. Rubbish. Clapton himself wondered why he was there. And he responded by running away with Harrison's wife, to which Harrison apparently couldn't be bothered too much. The fact is the Beatles got to very, very weird.

That didn't escape Ringo, who by the way kept showing up on time at Abbey Road while John and Paul were warring and George had gotten so strange he began to sit in a corner regretting his own birth. That's when Ringo said, "Screw these freaks!" and it was him, not Yoko, who broke up the Beatles.

Another weird thing about Ringo is that his whole reason for being in the band was his "performative excellence". That's not to say he was a drum-kit virtuoso, but rather to say he was a rock-solid in his performance, always. The Beatles left Liverpool for Hamburg with the reputation of being one of the weakest bands around, and they shocked everybody when they came back. They came back as a very tight band, tuned, hardened. Famously some guy used this in his example of how it takes 10,000 hours to become good at anything. Paying your dues, as it were.

George Martin brought in Ringo, a well-known quality "performative excellence" drummer all around Liverpool, for the Beatles' record and shazaam it took off.

And before you knew it, the Beatles became the World's First "Studio Band". Not a "performative band".

Elvis Presley may have been the summa of the performative artist. Before he went away for armed service RCA records sent him down to Nashville for a weekend to put down some tracks they could slow-release for two years to him relevant. Elvis laid down something absurd like 70 tracks in that weekend and you probably would recognize almost all of them today.

Fast forward to 1984 when U2 released their album, "The Unforgettable Fire". They holed up in an Irish castle for one whole freaking year to produce that strange, murky thing. It's the epitome of the "studio band" dynamic that the Beatles launched. Probably never to be repeated again, thankfully.

Everybody is wanting to talk about how technology has driven down costs and changed landscapes, and undoubtedly there's tons of truth to what they are saying. John Lennon and George Martin were very clever bastards at doing creative things with audio tape and doing it very well. Made them millions. You can best them tonight on these sound effects with a few quick downloads of open source software for free. Everybody's a "studio musician" for free now!

So that age is clearly over. "Performative excellence" is squarely back in the mix. You used to go on tour (unless you were a "studio artist" like the Beatles) to support record sales. Now you put out records to support the tour. It's flipped.

It's trending back to Elvis, the wild ride of a performative artist, vs. the Beatles, the stoned ride of a studio artist.

And, in both cases, apparently you needed somebody like Ringo to keep the beat.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim September 06, 2019 12:54 AM  

My mother liked the Beatles and U2, yet she was so terrible at singing a tune that no one could take her musical tastes seriously... it’s like a dog who loves spam very much can’t really convince anyone that spam is tasty because that dog also licks his butt.
My dad, however, had fantastic taste in music: Rush, Yes, Steely Dan, Mountain, James Gang, Tangerine Dream, Jerhro Tull just to name a few.

My kids get a heavy dose of Christian music that you won’t find on the Churchian radio, song with real lyrics like “Perseverance of the Saints” by the OC Supertones.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim September 06, 2019 1:09 AM  

Frank Spank wrote:Play Hey Jude to any Asian kid and watch your argument crumble. Then listen to Duran Duran whilst weeping quietly in the bathtub. Beatles aren't going anywhere.

I'll see your Hey Jude and Raise you either "Save a Prayer" or "Ordinary World".

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim September 06, 2019 1:13 AM  

The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey wrote:Ringo was a human metronome who never made a mistake.

I'll take somebody with pocket like Bernard Purdy over someone who plays "snapped to the grid" like a metronome any day.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim September 06, 2019 1:18 AM  

The Cooler wrote:Ringo couldn't even play drums properly. They just needed a guy behind the drums.

This strategy worked out better for Metallica than it did for the Beatles.

But Ringo's playing fit, and it was inventive

You're higher than that other retard in that other thread. If Ringo Star's drumming is "inventive," how on God's green Earth would you characterize Danny Carey?

Rhetorical question, don't reply. I hit my limit for bloviating numpties at 3:17 p.m. EST.



Out of curiosity, I listened to "Pneuma" from Tool's latest. I gotta say, I don't like that I liked it because James Maynard is one God-hating son of a gun, but that song makes me think he may be re-calculating his eternal perspective.

Blogger JonM September 06, 2019 1:21 AM  

"Our perspective includes the objectivity gained from the benefit of hindsight."

Music that "you had to be there" to really appreciate is like a joke that "you had to be there" to find funny. Both fail on their own merits.

Blogger Shimshon September 06, 2019 2:29 AM  

As usual, Boomer topics are comment-bait.

Well, I've got my contribution too, you know.

My mother was just barely a pre-boomer. But pre- is still, for real, NOT Boomer.

Growing up in the 1970s, I remember The Beatles indeed being in the tape box in the car, and regularly listened-to. Along with a collection of other well-known groups of the folk or pop variety from 60s and early 70s.

But also very common were movie and Broadway show soundtracks. We listened to these as often as the above IIRC.

Mom would drag me and sib in our youth to old movies including old musicals, which she loved.

Dad had an eclectic taste, but as a kid, I most remember John Denver, Chicago, and pre-Saturday Night Fever Bee Gees.

Honestly, I think any hard-core Beatles listening was self-imposed or done by friends in college. I don't particularly hate them. Some of their music I didn't like. In totality, I liked a few of their albums. In thinking about, I would imagine their later material in particular sounds dated.

Blogger Garuna September 06, 2019 2:38 AM  

The Beatles are fucking GAY. And if you like them, you're fucking GAY too.

Nonsense,of course. The Beatles are still selling strongly...they always will.

Nice bubble, boomer. Young millennials, Zoomers, and Generation Alpha do not listen to the Beatles and don't care about them. Can't wait for the Divine Boomercaust when God exterminates every last boomer from this world in the next few decades. Then we'll see how great those Beatles sales are.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 06, 2019 3:07 AM  

Frank Spank wrote:Play Hey Jude to any Asian kid and watch your argument crumble.
So, what planet do you inhabit? Cause in this one, you would just get mocked.
At least the name is appropriate.

The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey wrote:I don't know what you guys are talking about when you say the Beatles were lousy musicians. They obviously were not.
You're obviously high. First of all, don't argue with Nate when it comes to drumming. Just... don't
Musically, Paul was ... versatile. He was a good, not great bassist. Compare his work at his best to a lousy day for his contemporaries Paul McVie or Jaco Pastorius to hear the difference.
Ringo was ... professional. He was dedicated, worked hard, acted like an adult, kept time and could lease a crowd. But he's not and never was imaginative or technically brilliant.
John Lennon was never really a musician.
George Harrison grew into an excellent guitarist AFTER he left the Beatles. He himself said so.

Blogger OvergrownHobbit September 06, 2019 3:08 AM  

@20 Can confirm:

Mom: Have you heard of the Beatles?
PNW teen: Of course.
Mom: Okay. Name a song
PNWt: Mmmm.... No.
Mom: Part of a tune-?
PNWt: Uhhh... Why are you asking-?
Mom: Combox thread ragging on the Beatles.
PNWt: Well, they can't actually be that bad.
Mom: Why do you say that?
PNWt: They're stupid famous. Somebody must like them.

So yes. Pacific NW teens have heard of the Beatles.

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