Thursday, October 17, 2019

Col Kratman on the Kurds

Long before the recent media campaign on behalf of the Kurds - which of course is nothing more than a pathetic neoclown attempt to put pressure on the God-Emperor Trump - Tom Kratman wrote about why the Kurds are not a people who merit help, much less sympathy, from anyone on the planet:
My first experience of the Kurds – rather, of how the rest of the area thinks of and feels about them – was before I’d ever met my first one. This was at a majlis, in the town of Judah (or Goodah), Saudi Arabia, sometime in December or so, 1990. Citizenship is kind of an iffy and flexible concept in that part of the world, so there were folk from Saudi, from Oman, from the Emirates. There was even one Arab who insisted he was a citizen of the Gulf Cooperation Council, since he was a fully documented citizen of so many places in the GCC. I had my doubts right up until he pulled out a bilingual ID card which, indeed, did seem to list him as a citizen of the GCC. One of the attendees had brought with him a book detailing the results of the chemical attack on the Kurdish town of Halabja by the army and air force of Saddam Hussein.

It was really heartbreaking, all those picture of gassed, dead, discolored, and decomposing Kurdish kids, who are, in fact, every bit as cute as the papers and television made them out to be. At least when they’re not dead they are. My team sergeant, Sig, and I were duly appalled and sickened.

The Arabs, though, didn’t seem to understand. To paraphrase, “What’s the problem? Don’t you understand that these were _Kurds_ who got gassed?”

At the time, I found that attitude completely inexplicable.

Fast forward a few months; we’ve incited the Kurds and Shia to rise up and overthrow Saddam. They didn’t, of course, while such an uprising would have looked difficult and might have done us some good. Oh, no; instead the Shia – whose rebellion was spontaneous, anyway – waited until it looked like the Iraqi Army was crushed and such an uprising would be easy. The Kurds – who were organized – waited even longer.

Sorry, boys, but when we offer you a quid pro quo, that doesn’t translate into “free lunch.” Moreover, when we’ve already offered someone a cease­fire it’s a bit late to try to get us to start hostilities again. In short, we owed them nothing.

Fast forward, again, to late May, 1991. I’d come home from the Middle East, hung around a while, and been sent back, this time to Operation Provide Comfort, the Kurdish Rescue, there to quasi govern a few towns, run refugee camps, coordinate humanitarian relief, and such like. While we’re waiting in the camp on the Turkish side of the border, not too far from Silopi, overwatched by a Turkish police fort on a hill, some Kurds got in position to fire at the fort such that, should the fort return fire, the Turks will be shooting at us. So much for gratitude from people you’re trying to save, eh?

Fortunately, Turkish discipline held firm and enlightened Kurdish dreams of advancing the cause of having a homeland of their own by getting their rescuers killed came to naught.
President Trump's position of not defending the Kurds from our actual allies, the Turks, is legally, militarily, and morally correct. If anything, the US military is treaty-bound to defend the Turks against Kurdish incursions as per its NATO obligations.

And, of course, those tactics very likely explain this near-incident between Turkish and US forces:
The Pentagon confirmed Friday that US troops in Syria "came under artillery fire from Turkish positions" and demanded that Turkey halt all operations that could require the US to take "immediate defensive action."



Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling October 17, 2019 1:21 PM  

"Most people shy away from or are at least ignorant of the reason so many of those adorable kids died. It’s simple; the Kurds starved them to death themselves. It’s a cultural imperative among them, when times get hard, to let the little girls die of starvation (first, of course), and then the little boys."

According to the Anonymous Conservative, this system keeps Kurdish society k-selected, by making sure no one ever grows up remembering really hard times.

Blogger Jack Ward October 17, 2019 1:29 PM  

As usual, Tom Kratman's words are well worth reading and listening to. Look forward to more of his writing, especially the concluding volumes in his 'Peace' series.
Would you not love to see him turn out an in depth series based on the deep state and the GE's battles with them?
Getting that would be money well spent.

Blogger Dan in Georgia October 17, 2019 1:32 PM  

We can't get out of there fast enough.

Starting to think the story about retired generals asking Trump to run so they wouldn't have to stage a coup before Hillary was inaugurated have some truth to them. A lot had to happen for TGE to give up a pretty cool lifestyle. Maybe having an 11 year old son had something to do with it.

Blogger Ska_Boss October 17, 2019 1:36 PM  

And just like that the middle East has reverted back to its original form of a perpetual state of war with itself. We've been there for for nearly two decades under false pretenses, it's time to defend our own borders.

Blogger Lazarus October 17, 2019 1:45 PM  

The Kurds aren't Smurfs as the neoclowns would have you believe. Kurds are communists and clit-cutters under Sharia law that have persecuted and killed Christians.

Don't Romanticize the Kurds

Blogger HouellebecqGurl October 17, 2019 1:59 PM  

I'm wondering where all these "adorable" Kurdish children are located. Somehow I've missed this in the last 30 odd years or my definition of adorable children is vastly different from other's.

Blogger John S October 17, 2019 2:02 PM  

Someone posted this on reddit, worth sharing:

“Turk here. And no, we don’t like the Kurds, we tolerate them. There’s a big difference. The Kurds are not anyone’s friends, least of all, the Turks’ (or the Americans’, for that matter). They’re tribal, primitive, polygamous, collectivistic and very prolific breeders, especially since Turks are monogamous while the Kurds take multiple undeclared wives and have upwards of 20-40 kids, apiece. We’re as concerned about the demographics of the Kurds as Americans are about Hispanics.

The Turkish government has to ‘play nice’ with them because Europe has demanded it as a precondition for getting treated like a co-equal, with respect and dignity. But left to their old, Ottoman-era sensibilities, the Turks would rather be rid of them by whatever means it’d take. Why?

It’s because Turkey has built a magnificent hydroelectric dam on the upper Euphrates that’s currently turning the area around Urfa and Maraș into an agricultural paradise…and the Kurds are coveting it. They’re goading heavily in order to provoke the Turks into a rash retaliation that’ll gain the Kurds sufficient international sympathy to make a play for the region as a concession for their ‘pain and suffering’ at Turkish hands.”

Blogger Sweet, Sweet Victory October 17, 2019 2:02 PM  

As a Greek, I just hope both Kurds and Turks kill each other.

I also hope Turkey gets kicked off of NATO, would solve the Western invasion crisis in a fell swoop.

Blogger Dr Caveman October 17, 2019 2:05 PM  

Weren't the Kurds also involved in the Armenian genocide?

Blogger Beardy Bear October 17, 2019 2:13 PM  

That's hoodly daddle'd up. Pardon my French.

Blogger Stilicho October 17, 2019 2:14 PM  

Our entire experience with our Kurdish "allies" has been one of the Kurds playing gamma games of "let's you and him fight" with the US and whoever was their target du jour. Well, that and profiting handsomely off of our largesse.

Moreover, if the Canadians launched terrorist attacks against us the way the Kurds do against Johnny Turk, we'd reduce Toronto to rubble within a week.

The Turks and Kurds deserve each other.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 October 17, 2019 2:18 PM  

Karhu wrote:"Most people shy away from or are at least ignorant of the reason so many of those adorable kids died. It’s simple; the Kurds starved them to death themselves. It’s a cultural imperative among them, when times get hard, to let the little girls die of starvation (first, of course), and then the little boys."

According to the Anonymous Conservative, this system keeps Kurdish society k-selected, by making sure no one ever grows up remembering really hard times.

Kurds are not K-types, they are very clearly r-types. They don't give a damn about their own children and are constantly looking for handouts, even demanding handouts for the handouts.

No wonder so many Neocons and Democrats support them. They are Christian-murdering r-Types.

Blogger The Cooler October 17, 2019 2:25 PM  

or my definition of adorable children is vastly different from other's

Roll with that.

Tom Kratman is tolerable and has the value he has, but will never escape his Boomerisms*. He's more likely to spontaneously change his eye color.

*Boomerism in question: Reflexively: If it's human and age six or under, it's 'adorable'.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling October 17, 2019 2:25 PM  

@12 swiftfoxmark2: You are of course right, I forgot the 'r' is for rabbits mnemonic and mixed up the letters.

Blogger Barbarossa October 17, 2019 2:37 PM  

I spent a bit of time in the Kurdish section of Iraq between Irbil and Sulaymaniah a decade ago. Compared to the rest of the country (and I had been around), it was well run, clean, calm, the people friendly. The Iraqi flag was nowhere to be seen. Instead you saw the red, white and green with sunburst flag of the Kurdish Regional Government. That flag symbolizes their nationalist desires, and they're willing to us to advance that ambition.

Additionally, people in that part of the world are very astute as to the language that loosens purse strings. When they wanted money or gear, they'd tell you about the terrorists they saw. If they wanted doctors to visit, they'd tell you about depleted uranium shells lying about causing sick kids. All lies, of course, but when you have nothing but a bunch of American soldiers brought up on the multicultural fabrications of the Noble Foreigner, it's really hard to fight it. When Kurds state that we "owe" them, they don't believe a word of it, but they know it has been effective propaganda, especially when it dovetailed nicely with the motivations of swamp critters who had their own reasons for wanting to maintain an American presence in the region.

As for the Kurds, during my stay, I saw several different notional Kurdistans on maps. The more realistic ones had the Iraqi provinces as the rump with some nibbling on Turkey and Iran. More expansive ones must have thought they would have the entire US military on loan because they were taking over all of SE Turkey and a good portion of western Iran. The most hilarious one had someone channeling their inner Mahan as this mapmaker's notion of Greater Kurdistan had a tongue of territory proceeding south along the Iraq-Iran border, down the Shatt-al-Arab on to the Persian Gulf. "We must have access to the sea for Kurdistan to thrive!" Ha.

In short, I preferred dealing with Kurds to Iraqi Arabs, but we have no business being their mercenary army.

Blogger Homesteader October 17, 2019 2:47 PM  

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Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 17, 2019 2:53 PM  

Kurds can go fuck themselves. If they want their own country, accept reality, fill up Iraqi Kurdistan.

Blogger Homesteader October 17, 2019 3:03 PM  

Washington's Farewell Address, as always, still applies.

Blogger VFM Bear October 17, 2019 3:05 PM  

"They’re goading heavily in order to provoke the Turks into a rash retaliation that’ll gain the Kurds sufficient international sympathy to make a play for the region as a concession for their ‘pain and suffering’ at Turkish hands"

What's next, genocide?

So, they're grabblers-in-training then.

Blogger VFM Bear October 17, 2019 3:07 PM  

"Moreover, if the Canadians launched terrorist attacks against us the way the Kurds do against Johnny Turk, we'd reduce Toronto to rubble within a week."

Would you mind terribly doing that even absent terrorist attacks?

Blogger Manuel October 17, 2019 3:12 PM  

Kurds in Turkey and Syria are Communists anyway. The Iraqi and Iranian ones sound okay. regardless, GEOTUS is doing the right thing.

Blogger Brett baker October 17, 2019 3:12 PM  

"Their neighbors see the Kurds the way our 10th century ancestors saw the Vikings, masterful thieves and pitiless fighters"- from The Rosy Future of War.

Blogger Stephen Davenport October 17, 2019 3:24 PM  

Turkey is not our ally, they maybe for the moment in NATO but not an ally. Get it right.

Blogger rognuald October 17, 2019 3:39 PM  

I don't know much about the Turks or the Kurds, but I do know this; neither are Americans.

Blogger Pseudotsuga October 17, 2019 3:56 PM  

Mitt Romney is liveblogging right now demanding answers about why POTUS is not helping our "allies" the Kurds.
Sit down, Mitt. You gave up being "conservative" long, long ago.
I voted for you once (rather than the alternative) but I wouldn't do it again.

Blogger NateM October 17, 2019 3:56 PM  

The Arabs low opinion of the Kurds shows you something about Arab's lack of self awareness. It's like the Mexico looking downat Guatemalan illegal immigrants.

Blogger James Pyrich October 17, 2019 3:58 PM  

In any case, at a certain point, looking over a particularly defensible pass, Farnsworth and I looked at each other. I no longer remember who spoke first but the conversation went like this: “If the Kurds­“ “­couldn’t defend themselves­“ “­in this kind of terrain­“ “­they don’t deserve­“ “­their own country.” And that was before we even knew how much they used mines.

Before knowing more about the Kurds, I figured that their inability or unwillingness to defend themselves makes them like trying to save the pandas in the wild while your children are being eaten by brown bears. Those priorities are insane.

But at least pandas are actually cute.

Blogger Dan in Georgia October 17, 2019 4:01 PM  

The Kurds are a lot like Barry Obama and Mike, er Michelle. The more you learn about them, the less you like them.

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums October 17, 2019 4:14 PM  

The US' foreign policy should be reduced to NMFP (Not My Fucking Problem).

Blogger Doktor Jeep October 17, 2019 4:28 PM  

One of my early redpills was being TDY in Turkey for OPC and seeing Turks celebrate their own bombing of the Kurds we were there to protect. One of those "So everything is a lie" moments.

Blogger NewTunesForOldLogos October 17, 2019 4:55 PM  

Or, as the founders put it, “no foreign entanglements.”

Blogger Jack Morrow October 17, 2019 5:26 PM  

Meanwhile, Joel C. Rosenberg posts this.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein October 17, 2019 5:30 PM  

Same could be said for McCain and Romney. We were truly screwed in '08 and '12.

Blogger Newscaper312 October 17, 2019 6:07 PM  

" further destabilizing the disaster in Syria that was created by Bashar Assad, Vladimir Putin and the Iranians."

Dubya then Obama had nuttin' to do with it.

Blogger Joe Smith October 17, 2019 6:15 PM  

It’s time to just wash our hands of the whole sand bike thief situation and be done with it. Past time, really.

Blogger papabear October 17, 2019 6:28 PM  

But the Kurds are so enlightened and have embraced girl power!

Blogger Stilicho October 17, 2019 6:33 PM  

Obama hillary and McCain armed ISIS to destabilize Syria. Assad returned a measure of stability by defeating the ISIS rebels.

Israel wanted Assad weakened and the wanted the Shia crescent broken. Their Saudi friends agreed. They failed, but they did manage to destabilize the region further. They've made their bed, let them lie in it.

Blogger Beardy Bear October 17, 2019 6:56 PM  

@38 Haxo Angmark wrote:Drumpf' who let in boomer twitter?

Blogger The Cooler October 17, 2019 7:28 PM  

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Blogger The Cooler October 17, 2019 7:39 PM  

In many ways, Haxo is a typical sperg: Too smart to see the forest for the trees or to deduce human likelihoods from readily-available facts. Because he has no connection whatsoever to the Human Experience.

He is quite simply incapable of deducing future probabilities; and, although he has been banned numerous times, from here and elsewhere at least superficially similar, he continues to propagate his throw-baloney-and-cheese-slices-at-my-forehead horseshit whenever and wherever anyone whatsoever will allow said shit to be posted to the Internet. Because Spergy Omega.

If VD will allow me to be so bold, it would truly be in Haxo's best interests to get laid, even if he has to pay for it.

Blogger wreckage October 17, 2019 7:49 PM  

It is my understanding that if the US gave the PKK guns, they would end up being used against, among others, the Iraqi Kurd autonomous zone. Saying We Owe the Kurds is like saying We Owe The Arabs... pointless. If there was a debt it was to the Iraqi Kurds, and it is paid. The PKK and adjacent are maniacs even by the standards of the region.

Blogger wreckage October 17, 2019 7:51 PM  

@40. I object. A sperg with a brain can predict human interactions quite well, just not from inside the interaction.

Blogger Dave Dave October 17, 2019 7:52 PM  

When everyone hates a group of people, you have to wonder what's actually going on. It's rarely an evil prejudice or injustice.

Blogger Amethyst Dominica October 17, 2019 8:04 PM  

The Kurds are r-selected, turbo-charged Leftists. I have to admire them for being able to propagandize every mean thing that was ever done to them to their own benefit. You'd think the Tribe would be warier of them as potential competition.

Blogger The Cooler October 17, 2019 8:10 PM  

@42 A Sperg is literary incapable of accessing that or those things that ultimately determine the course of human behavior. This is pretty much what defines a Sperg, if I'm to be charitable. Then again, I may very well be responding to a Sperg, so we'll just have to see how this goes.

Blogger Wario's Mart October 17, 2019 8:10 PM  

Does no foreign entanglements mean protection of allies. If Australia was attacked by China would a nationalist US help

Blogger The Cooler October 17, 2019 8:15 PM  

You are already under attack by China, Mario Cart. 'We' aren't helping. Help yourself.

Blogger The Abe October 17, 2019 8:34 PM  

I wanted to feel sorry for them, I wanted to have compassion for them. And then I read where eight of them died by getting hit in the head by relief boxes dropped from our planes. That's how stupid they are... I love that commercial, "Won't you help the Kurds?" Yeah, yeah, won't you blow me? - Sam Kinison (PBUH), 1991

Blogger nswhorse October 17, 2019 8:48 PM  

I know little about the Kurds, but I knew immediately they certainly aren't the angels they are painted to be simply because of the parties who are doing the painting.

Blogger The Lab Manager October 17, 2019 9:59 PM  

Is the Middle East not filled with stupid violent Muslims anyway? When are they not at war with each other. So much for the Muslim brotherhood.

Blogger Avalanche October 17, 2019 10:34 PM  

@20 "Would you mind terribly doing that even absent terrorist attacks?"

So polite, must be Canadian.

Blogger Avalanche October 17, 2019 10:39 PM  

#42 "When everyone hates a group of people, you have to wonder what's actually going on. It's rarely an evil prejudice or injustice. "

Why, you evvvvil anti-semite! I'm reporting you to the ADL for dog-whistling!

Blogger Clay October 17, 2019 11:49 PM  

Just how many "troops" did we evacuate from Syria? 50...100? If that's all it took for the Kurds to get their butts waxed by thousands of Turks, they must be some sorry SOB's. So, they let all the ISIS prisoners they had escape. Who does that hurt most...them, or the US?

Blogger Korbin Ransley October 18, 2019 12:21 AM  

@46 I hear you. Certainly got exposed to some new facts reading the blog posts about the Kurds and listening to the the Dark Stream, that's for sure. China too.

Joel Skousen had an interesting take on the Turkey Syria situation. He was on with Alex Jones a bit back on

Would a sane healthy powerful majority white christian U.S. help a similar Australia against a conventional attack from a country either one could defeat militarily? Seems likely. Seems unlikely such an attack would occur.

An insane sick weak multi cultural heathen U.S.? Do they officially keep track of racial demographics in Australia? Policy leaves much to be desired in western countries if you care for western nations.

Blogger Eric October 18, 2019 1:46 AM  

Kurds are default communists who should be relocated to their actual homeland - Iran. It must be the joke of the century that these displaced nomads 'should' have their own country, let alone be able to rule it without turning on each other.

Blogger wreckage October 18, 2019 2:59 AM  

@45 They're quite capable of pattern recognition. My point being the guy isn't ONLY a sperg. He's also stupid.

Blogger Peter October 18, 2019 4:43 AM  

Generally we should be building a new nuclear power plant every month in the US until we can tell every middle east country (including Israel) to poundnsand .. unless there is a national interest, stay the hell out of other countries.

Blogger Peter October 18, 2019 5:05 AM  

But there is one point here i would like to make just so the young ones hear it. Honor... you honor is dependant on you, not on others. Its not whether someone is deserving of your honor that dictates if you are honorable... i cant speak the details of syria and what really is happening but as a general observation this "they dont deserve our help because they are not worthy, they are dirty, they are thieves etc".. wrong.. If there were promises made (and i dont know this) then it is our responsiblity to honor those promises even if those in recipient are not honorable. This is why you have to be careful on what ground you stand and where you commit.

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Blogger Clay October 18, 2019 6:12 AM  

Peter, I promise never to read one of your posts again. Doesn't mean I won't. I promise.

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Blogger VFM #7634 October 18, 2019 7:31 AM  

Kurds are default communists who should be relocated to their actual homeland - Iran.

They're technically Parthians... so northeast Iran. There are in fact Kurds there already, which should be a clue.

Blogger wreckage October 18, 2019 10:51 AM  

@58 honour is for citizens, not kings. Kings exist to wield the sword against the wicked, not to enslave themselves to them.

Blogger JohnofAustria October 18, 2019 11:47 AM  

No, boomer-man. Geopolitics isn't run based on honoring promises, its run on interests.

Blogger sammibandit October 18, 2019 12:05 PM  

@wreckage, one time during occupation in Denmark my grandma got annoyed at the King as stubborn nordic women are wont to do when annoyed. The guards were behind the King as it was custom for the King to walk out in public kind of on his own during foreign occupation. She told him, "get out of my way", as he was blocking her egress from a shop. The King just laughed and replied that sure enough he was in the way. Now they sort of knew each other since her brothers were in the guard and the guard fostered some kids in our family. Point being that honor is absolutely for Kings.

Blogger James Jameson October 20, 2019 5:21 AM  

The mask is dropping hard. Notorious Trump stalker, Eugene Gu (MD) is letting slip that Syrian refugees = demographic replacement.

The United States just made a deal with Turkey to give them everything they wanted and to withdraw all Kurdish forces from the Syrian border on their own land so that Turkey can take over that area and send millions of Syrian refugees there to displace the Kurds demographically.

Maybe the Kurds just need to be less racist and honor their international obligation to ease the Syrian refugee crisis? Don't they know diversity is their strength?

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