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Friday, November 22, 2019

Nickles and the Big Bear


The debate everyone was calling for finally took place last night. It went about how one would have expected.

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130 Comments:

Blogger wreckage November 22, 2019 11:03 AM  

Next, Nickles shoves his face into a food processor for no reason at all.

Blogger Argus Bacchus November 22, 2019 11:11 AM  

Nick's oversized forehead did not appear to be of much benefit to him last night.

Credit to his mother for surviving childbirth.

Blogger Esmar Tuek November 22, 2019 11:18 AM  

Hahaha

Blogger SmokeyJoe November 22, 2019 11:20 AM  

Epic!

Blogger Katechon November 22, 2019 11:24 AM  

I like what he did with Kirk and TPUSA.

Blogger tuberman November 22, 2019 11:30 AM  


Funny!

Blogger Austin November 22, 2019 11:38 AM  

If somebody forced me to allow Nick to take my girl out on a date I would be entirely unconcerned with her seeing him as appealing. Mouthy shrimps have their value, high visibility leader ain't it.

Blogger JAG November 22, 2019 11:39 AM  

A much better debate than the Democrat primary debates. More substance, more realism, and deeper thought. Kudos to both participants. Would watch again.

Blogger VD November 22, 2019 11:43 AM  

I like what he did with Kirk and TPUSA.

So do I. But if you poke at the bear, you can't cry when he takes your head off.

Blogger Salt November 22, 2019 11:43 AM  

Hysterical.

Blogger Silent Draco November 22, 2019 11:45 AM  

Two Rogans up.

The only thing more entertaining would be Nickels debating one of the Ridgebacks. "Rowr! I slew you and am devouring your soul! Ptah! More grass, this is bitter!"

Blogger ar10308 November 22, 2019 11:53 AM  

Owen's advice for Nick was quite good. Hopefully Nick will listen. Nick is probably a bit young to remember Gamergate, so he doesn't have the experience that older people do.

Nick also hasn't mentioned Owen at all for quite a while as far as I know. So I'm sure Owen has his reasons, but I don't see why Owen spends so much time on him.

Blogger Birdman November 22, 2019 11:55 AM  

What advice?

Blogger The Course of Empire November 22, 2019 12:01 PM  

I thought the short Afro-Latino made up with the giant big bear; or, at least, have a truce?

Blogger ar10308 November 22, 2019 12:05 PM  

@Birdman It was after the Groypers went to a Crowder Q&A and got mostly rebuffed. They were asking Crowder to debate Fuentes and Crowder was shutting them down pretty handily.

Owen told Nick not to make their movement about Nick and Nick's ego.
https://youtu.be/RHmcXVEDfBs

Blogger VD November 22, 2019 12:06 PM  

I don't see why Owen spends so much time on him.

Do you not know the Big Bear at all? Once he gets his teeth into something, he doesn't readily relinquish it. That's why it is so reprehensibly stupid to poke him at all.

I ignore petty stuff all the time. That's not so much Owen's style.

Blogger pdwalker November 22, 2019 12:08 PM  

*chuckle*

Niccccce.

Blogger sammibandit November 22, 2019 12:17 PM  

Owen likes to gnaw at gnats. He's said time and time again that if someone annoying gets his attention he'll destroy them.

Frankly, this is a trait that women look for in men. Single-minded willingness and ability to destroy others is a feature, not a defect.

Blogger Richard Rahl November 22, 2019 12:28 PM  

*Clutching my pearls* Stop all the infighting! Can't we all just get along!!!???

Blogger JAG November 22, 2019 12:32 PM  

ar10308 wrote:@Birdman It was after the Groypers went to a Crowder Q&A and got mostly rebuffed. They were asking Crowder to debate Fuentes and Crowder was shutting them down pretty handily.

Owen told Nick not to make their movement about Nick and Nick's ego.

https://youtu.be/RHmcXVEDfBs


Crowder is smarter than Kirk by quite a bit, and also had the advantage of foresight. He had to have already known that the Groypers would be coming to test him so he was ready with the fast talking filibusters.

Nick's got two paths in how he develops from Big Bear riding him. He can go gamma and rage out thus proving he was not ready for the big time, or he can grow from Owen's criticism into being better at what he does.

Blogger ar10308 November 22, 2019 12:49 PM  

Exactly. Crowder is also much quicker on his feet given his years of stand-up comedy experience. Kirk is used to giving speeches to students wearing bow-ties, so becomes unglued more easily. Crowder has done his share of drunken Hell-Rooms, like all stand-up, so that gives him quite the edge when people come at him.

Hopefully Nick will go down the right path and guide his movement to be less centralized on him. Not sure if Groyper is a good long term name, given how easily it can be turned to "Groper". "America First" is a definite winner.

Blogger sammibandit November 22, 2019 1:00 PM  

Crowder is also much quicker on his feet given his years of stand-up comedy experience.

Yep. This is the guy who exploited Trigglypuff's spazz attack to go into an unprompted, nearly 5 minute monologue about how annoying SJWs are.

Oh shut up. You just got owned and now you're trying to come back 5 minutes later.

Blogger Manuel November 22, 2019 1:11 PM  

Owen won. Will there be a round 2 hosted by someone friendlier to Nick like a chameleon?

Blogger anorganicbear November 22, 2019 1:32 PM  

@21: "America First" is a definite winner.

Not so much. In 10 years it will be mainstream for red states to be discussing the best exit strategy. The US Empire isn't worth saving, and really can't be saved. Even if you didn't have the $23 trillion in debt to fund the corrupt deep state, unbridled immigration, and social welfare leeches, you'd still be looking at a violent conflict to take control of the empire. But without colonizers to retake the Southwest and mid Atlantic, it would just be Afghanistan 2.0, but without any money because we spent it all decades ago.

Blogger Azimus November 22, 2019 2:00 PM  

You can't say he wasn't warned

Blogger VD November 22, 2019 2:52 PM  

You're banned, ArthurTintagel.

Blogger ar10308 November 22, 2019 2:52 PM  

@Anorganicbear, I meant for the time. 10 years is a lot of time. In 2006, "Make America Great Again" wouldn't have resonated the way it did in 2015/2016.

Blogger Great Odin's Raven November 22, 2019 3:26 PM  

@ar10308 the clip used for nickels at the beginning of the video was from him on Alex Jones this week. He brought it upon himself/herself.

Blogger VD November 22, 2019 3:49 PM  

I repeat, you're banned, ArthurTintagel. Stop trying to comment here.

Blogger steb November 22, 2019 4:23 PM  

The Big Bear really needs to get over Nick Fuentes not being interested in him. This video is gayer than strawberry flavoured AIDS.

Blogger White Rationalism November 22, 2019 4:32 PM  

Owen calling Nick a White Supremacist says all I need to know about Owen. Whites are losing their homelands in both Europe and America. Anyone tossing around the term White Supremacist is no friend to Whites.

"People use the word Racist as a control word. Humans have control words for dogs (Sit, Stay, Down) and those who want to rob Whites of their countries have control words for Whites: Racist, White Supremacists, Nazi"- Frank Raymond

Hopefully Nick ignores this garbage and gets back to what matters. Demography.

Blogger Chief_Tuscaloosa November 22, 2019 4:33 PM  

Will Nickles seek truth, or double down? Don't...poke...the bear. P.S. Kudos to whoever did the animation. More of this please.

Blogger VD November 22, 2019 5:03 PM  

The Big Bear really needs to get over Nick Fuentes not being interested in him.

That seems likely. After all, he lost interest in Joe Rogan so quickly, right?

Blogger ar10308 November 22, 2019 5:09 PM  

@Great Odin's Raven,
Ah, gotcha. I wasn't aware of that. I stand corrected. Thanks for the heads up.

Blogger Username_Unavailable November 22, 2019 5:23 PM  

Well, that was a minute of my life I won't get back.

Blogger HockeyGoon519 November 22, 2019 5:27 PM  

Nick is funny, smart and young, and can mobilize his base to show up at events to torture cucks like shapiru and Crenshaw and Kirk. He's beating the hell out of conservative inc. And here I am reading a bunch of anti-nick comments from those keyboard warriors who dont do anything for our cause. Absolutely pathetic.

Keep punching right.

Blogger doctrev November 22, 2019 5:42 PM  

ar10308 wrote:
Nick also hasn't mentioned Owen at all for quite a while as far as I know. So I'm sure Owen has his reasons, but I don't see why Owen spends so much time on him.


Owen's an alpha. It's as simple as that. Guys like Owen and Trump will smash people that try to run them down, or even just to prove who's the top dog. You see this with kings and gang leaders alike- they have more in common, and are generally more worthy of respect, than the leeches who stack the king's court. Nick had the rough luck to get crosswise with a guy who has a lot of wit, energy, and charisma.

Blogger Hieroglyph November 22, 2019 6:13 PM  

I admit, I didn't quite see why BB was going so hard on Fuentes. I didn't talk smack though, so probably don't owe him a hand-written apology letter, stained with my tears. Fuentes does look a little too keen for mainstream approval, and BB clocked it early.

Serious question. Is Fuentes being straight about his age? I wouldn't have him as a day under thirty to be honest, but perhaps I'm being unfair. I bet John Hamm looked thirty on his eighteenth birthday, it can happen.

Anyway, the moral of the story: don't poke a bear, retard. I mean like dur.

Blogger Thomas W. November 22, 2019 6:25 PM  

epic debate

Blogger Gregory the Great November 22, 2019 6:30 PM  

Am I the only one who thinks that Nick's voice is somehow similar to Shapiru's?

Blogger HouellebecqGurl November 22, 2019 6:38 PM  

This is as unproductive as the
Revenge of the Cis attack on Vox, TRS, and Matt Christensen and the attack by Anglin on TRS or Milo's dumb 3 yr old attack on Dickie Spencer.
I just have to tune it all out because it's a time waster when there are actual non-dick waving things to focus on.

Blogger Counting Crowbars November 22, 2019 6:58 PM  

@Vox Day Do you not realise your boy Owen started all this drama because he took offence of Fuentes responding to a superchat comment that he doesn't agree on everything?

Do you not realise how insane the follow up repeated responses were by Owen, who not just slandered Nick, but also slandered Nick's family. This is not Alpha behaviour. This is not civilised discourse. This is the behaviour of a mentally ill gamma male who previously was gushingly praising Nick, yet 1 perceived sleight which no sane person would remotely take issue with and here you are now defending your man.

I don't understand how a intellectual like you can hook up with a mentally retarded individual like Owen.

It's not just petty, Owen's behaviour is legit insane, and its indirectly damaging the reputation you have built over the years. What happened to your pattern recognition regarding frauds and grifters? It's unbelievable you can't see what Owen really is.

Blogger Doktor Jeep November 22, 2019 7:02 PM  

Found the bowtie

Blogger sammibandit November 22, 2019 7:18 PM  

Do you not realise how insane the follow up repeated responses were by Owen, who not just slandered Nick, but also slandered Nick's family.

I can assure you our host doesn't care but will likely be annoyed by you trying to rope him in. Have fun with that.

However, Nick insulted Owen's parentage, which made insulting Nick's parentage A-OK.

This is not Alpha behaviour. This is not civilised discourse. This is the behaviour of a mentally ill gamma male who previously was gushingly praising Nick, yet 1 perceived sleight which no sane person would remotely take issue with and here you are now defending your man.

It is alpha behavior to destroy gnats. I don't know how many you know but they sure don't like challenges to their authority, especially if those challenges are dishonest, in public, self serving. I also don't think you know what civilized means since for much of civilization the alphas were regicided at the end of their terms. Look at Nero. Would you call that track record petty or effective? Read some history, dude.

Maybe Nick shouldn't have insulted Owen's parentage. Even kids know that's fighting words.

I don't understand how a intellectual like you can hook up with a mentally retarded individual like Owen.

K. But you're here and presumably you look up to VD for one reason or another. How can you complain like that and be here? Owen has an IQ of 137 or something. Retardation is several orders of magnitude lower than that. Are you retarded?

It's not just petty, Owen's behaviour is legit insane, and its indirectly damaging the reputation you have built over the years. What happened to your pattern recognition regarding frauds and grifters? It's unbelievable you can't see what Owen really is.

What part of Owen being alpha of his own niche do you not get? Alphas are petty. They also get the job done.

What Owen does doesn't damage VD. Have you seen the fundraising efforts so far? We're getting bigger. Not smaller. And you can't even see that Owen is alpha in his own niche so what good is your ability to recognize patterns?

Blogger tuberman November 22, 2019 7:27 PM  

36. HockeyGoon519

You underestimate the people here, as I don't think most are against Nick. I know I'm not, and will look into his work deeper now. He does not have to be completely in lock step, as long as he's doing some good.

Blogger Balam November 22, 2019 7:29 PM  

@CountingCrowbars
Why are you, like a woman, trying to shame others into doing your bidding? You're factually wrong on many matters and your appeal is towards Vox's sense of...public respectability? I don't even know where to start.

Just a question instead: why do you care? You're not Nick, you're not Owen and you're not Vox. Are you a content creator who is trying to make a difference? Sycophantic cheerleading is incredibly unbecoming and only makes me more suspicious of Nick rather than more supportive.

Blogger VD November 22, 2019 7:53 PM  

I am reading a bunch of anti-nick comments from those keyboard warriors who dont do anything for our cause.

If you seriously believe we've done nothing, then obviously our cause is not yours.

Keep punching right.

You guys thought criticizing Richard Spencer and Jordan Peterson was punching right too.

It's not just petty, Owen's behaviour is legit insane, and its indirectly damaging the reputation you have built over the years. What happened to your pattern recognition regarding frauds and grifters? It's unbelievable you can't see what Owen really is.

Owen isn't the fake. What reputation? I was just credibly informed that no one before Nick Fuentes has ever done anything for whatever your idiot "cause" is.

Here is a warning, Groypers. Do you want me to write a book about Little Nicky Titty Baby to go with the one about Jordan Peterson?

Even if you're dumb enough not to fear Owen, do you really want me coming after you? Because repeatedly talking to me about someone I don't give a quantum of a damn about is a really good way to do that.

Blogger Sargent.matrim November 22, 2019 7:58 PM  

To go after the big bear is crazy. Great video.

Blogger ScottC November 22, 2019 8:15 PM  

Vox, as far as I know, Nick respects you and is willing to speak to you on friendly terms. Can you referee this thing? There is too much drama on the right. Owen and Nick have different talents and different approaches toward battling the left (including the disguised left i.e. conservatives). I know you vowed not to appear on someone else's podcast, but you could contact him privately via email.

Blogger Mauldication Bear November 22, 2019 8:22 PM  

Little Nicky Titty Baby

With a book title like that, a bear's probably already started a fundraiser for you.

Blogger HockeyGoon519 November 22, 2019 8:28 PM  

*Here is a warning, Groypers. Do you want me to write a book about Little Nicky Titty Baby to go with the one about Jordan Peterson?*

If you're trying to come across as completely unhinged, you totally nailed it.

And dont worry about censoring me and not letting me comment again, I'm way ahead of you.

Blogger Unknown November 22, 2019 8:33 PM  

So, after going on a psychotic rant against an ally because he'd said they "don't agree on everything" but was prepared to talk, Owen discredits his claim to being a family-minded Christian by regurgitating salacious gossip about Nick's family he read on /pol/. Mocking a 21-year-old man for being single is also very classy.

Then, after months of being politely ignored by Nick, Owen is still nursing a grudge (I'm told this is gamma behavior). So he releases a cringe video in the style of c. 2004 Newgrounds showcasing his fursona. The comments give you some idea of how well this was received by younger righties.

And this is winning? OK Boomer.

Blogger Ska_Boss November 22, 2019 8:40 PM  

The 2019 battle between the bears and the groypers. Sounds like a science fiction story.

Blogger map November 22, 2019 8:45 PM  

VD wrote:Owen isn't the fake. What reputation? I was just credibly informed that no one before Nick Fuentes has ever done anything for whatever your idiot "cause" is.

Here is a warning, Groypers. Do you want me to write a book about Little Nicky Titty Baby to go with the one about Jordan Peterson?


Don't people understand by now that overt anti-Semitism of the Nick Fuentes variety is a big red flag...an important indicator of a controlled opposition?

Blogger Uncle John's Band November 22, 2019 8:57 PM  

"And dont worry about censoring me and not letting me comment again, I'm way ahead of you."

It's like a self-laundering skidmark!

Blogger John Best. November 22, 2019 8:58 PM  

@54 it is interesting that Nick mainly talks about the Jewish nation of Israel and his opposition to it, rather than the nomadic Jews who have taken over the elite in many western nations. It seems like he is working for the nomadic Jews trying to undermine the Jewish nation state.

Blogger tuberman November 22, 2019 9:03 PM  

"And dont worry about censoring me and not letting me comment again, I'm way ahead of you."

So, you're going to take your balls, and go home.


Blogger tuberman November 22, 2019 9:09 PM  

@map

"Don't people understand by now that overt anti-Semitism of the Nick Fuentes variety is a big red flag...an important indicator of a controlled opposition?"

^^^So True^^^ Not 100%, But a strong red flag.

Blogger VD November 22, 2019 9:29 PM  

Vox, as far as I know, Nick respects you and is willing to speak to you on friendly terms. Can you referee this thing?

I've already proposed the debate. Whenever he's ready. I have nothing against him, only his idiot followers who comment on my blog and on my stream.

Blogger Thomas W. November 22, 2019 9:44 PM  

@Gregory the Great yea, his voice sounds like the combo of a used car salesman, ben shapiro, and richard spencer.

Blogger David Craig November 22, 2019 9:49 PM  

I hope Vox and Nick can agree on the raccoon as the moderator for their potential debate haha

Blogger VinceLRN November 22, 2019 9:59 PM  

That's not true, he has even debated on the JQ in the past, he simply avoids the topic lately because optics.

Blogger Julian Assad November 22, 2019 10:14 PM  

Nick has already begun the gamma posturing re Vox Day debate. "Seems like he doesn't have enough clout to debate...seems like it'd be a waste of time...a bit of diversion from what we're doing".

Blogger Talios Hammerfist November 22, 2019 10:24 PM  

Fuentes will bow out of the debate because of as Julian said, 'he doesn't have enough clout to debate' along with 'Does the real number even matter?'. He will also continue saying that '6 million definitely died' is his purposefully ironic tone.

Blogger Birdman November 22, 2019 10:33 PM  

i don't even know what the hell is going on here, after i watched vox's recent vid. suddenly he wan't to debate him about holo, like what?

Blogger M Cephas November 22, 2019 10:36 PM  

I've followed the Nick Fuentes/Owen Benjamin thing from the beginning, and Owen legitimately went full retard before Nick ever said a word about him.

It would be great if the debate between them actually happens. But I would not be rooting for the Bear on this one.

Blogger Remo - Vile Faceless Minion #99 November 22, 2019 10:37 PM  

Owen is many things - homosexual is not one of them

Blogger CanticBear November 22, 2019 10:52 PM  

I think this whole thing will be remembered as a time of separating the wheat from the chaff. It’s looking like Nick is among the chaff.

Blogger Didact November 22, 2019 11:09 PM  

Supreme Dark Lord, I noticed that all of your Darkstreams on YouTube have suddenly been taken down and are no longer available. What gives? Is that YouTube "enhancing the user experience"?

Blogger Servant November 22, 2019 11:14 PM  

Guy weighs a buck ten and has effete movements. Total faggot. Also a nickle grasper Holo confirmer and msm knob bobber. He denied Holo and then confirmed it. So two faced.

Owen wants to have a shit ton of kids and live off the produce of his farm. I don't think you could get manlier than wanting to live by the direct fruits of your sweat.

Then you come to vox of all people. He has a myriad posts about the one thing he will not do, and that's condemn a friend. If he or Owen decided to part ways it would be without a whisper unless one betrayed the other, which doesn't seem like it could happen.

This is pissing into the wind at levels before not thought possible. Listening to that screechy voiced faggot is an act of retardation, coming here to stir shit between these two men is exponentially more retarded, and continuing to follow this Fuentes character after he confirmed six gorillion is so monumentally retarded I assume you need a device to breath for you.

As an aside, don't punch right is the bowtieingest thing anyone could say. I don't think Owen could punch right, and vox is not going to punch Owen.

Blogger Unknown November 22, 2019 11:17 PM  

Vox says he doesn’t want anything to do with e drama, yet he posted this?

Blogger Unknown November 22, 2019 11:28 PM  

Vox, in tonights stream you mentioned the debate with louise. i tried searching and the website scrubbed it. do you have a txt archive you could post?

Blogger theartistformerlyknownasgeorge November 22, 2019 11:32 PM  

In both cases I like the followers better than either Owen or Nick.

I followed Owen a bit for a couple of years. Liked his stand up, really liked that he was loudly arguing about the whole transgender/child abuse thing, and appreciated watching him build a sort of community in the UnBearables, but got weary of him for numerous reasons a year or two ago and have only caught a clip or two every once and a while since.

New to Nick. Like some of the Groypers calling out the transconservatives, but his persona in his videos is just sooo annoying. It became hard to listen to Owen to, but Nick almost causes me physical discomfort. I've never made it through more than 5 minutes of listening to him with the exception of a debate he did with an Orthodox Christian that was a Roman Catholic vs Orthodoxy thing.

The Orthodox guy was very well spoken and informative and Nick literally demonstrated no ability to even hear the guy's arguments, let alone present any decent arguments or points, which just assured me that I am missing NOTHING by skipping him altogether.

Blogger Username_Unavailable November 22, 2019 11:40 PM  

One thing is for certain after reading this thread: Nick Fuentes isn't the only one acting like an immature 20-something-year-old.

The dissident right is one giant cesspit of self-important douchebags, useless grifters, and petty man-children.

Thank God for Trump. The rest of you are absolutely worthless.

Blogger Requited Hate November 23, 2019 12:04 AM  

That’s not what happened. A bear sent Nickels a superchat with a note about how Nickels and Owen agree on everything/many things. Nickels was dismissive, and Owen being the loyal dude he is, got upset and called out Nickels. Nickels, being the sarcastic little douche that he is, doubled down on being a douche, instead of apologizing.

Blogger Doktor Jeep November 23, 2019 12:13 AM  

Appears these groypers desperately want to be men, but only know how to act like women.
I can see why they don't like Owen. He's a character foil. He's Hamlets relative, ready to go to war over a piece of land, while Hamlet himself is too much a coward to avenge his father. So to a man raised by women, somebody telling you to homestead and raise a family must be pretty intimidating.
But the zoomers have it easy. If all there is is guys like Owen telling young men to actually become husbands and fathers, well then they have it better than my generation did: we were told things like "By the time I was your age I got laid (insert large number here). What's wrong with you? Why don't you pick yourself by the bootstraps and screw everything you find with boobs like I did in the 60s?"
And we don't punch right here. All this bullshit about infighting. Look at how weak the left has become because they operate on talking points and are so lockstep. No. The "right" needs a huge fight. One that strikes down the grifters, boomercons, cowards, entryists, and paytriots. And believe me, I've been in this since the 1990s and have been babysitting all that time. When the leftist media demonizes the right, it's not to watch some "public approval" chart in real time anticipating when to start some roundups if it hits single digits. It's to make the right seem more attractive to every loser, retard, and sperg that is easily brainwashed. So the adults on the right end up with all sorts of children undermining them and causing trouble. Yes, kids. This shit has been going on since the 1990s. And now you are part of it. Keep on this track and maybe if you are lucky you won't get a purple haired troonbeast as a kapo in the gulags you are headed for. You want to win? You won't be doing it like this.

Blogger Cylinder November 23, 2019 12:15 AM  

How is saying you don't agree with someone on everything attacking them? Was it a joke about Owen's moon landing commentary? The level of slander leveled against Fuentes is disproportionate considering he is about 20 years ahead of Owen in terms of development. How long did it take Owen to see through Jordan, Rogan and Shapiro? He should take the log from his own eye and act like a Christian instead of disgracing himself.

Blogger steb November 23, 2019 12:39 AM  

VD wrote:The Big Bear really needs to get over Nick Fuentes not being interested in him.

That seems likely. After all, he lost interest in Joe Rogan so quickly, right?


I'm sure Owen mumbles Joe Rogan's name in his sleep but - and this important - Joe Rogan has probably forgotten that Owen even exists.

Nick played an important role in coordinating the disruption of TPUSA, but you want to do Charlie Kirk's job for him by forcing Nick to talk about the holocaust again. Luckily, he's taking the high road and focusing on things that actually matter.

As for his fans disrupting your livestream chat, do you genuinely think that yours and Owen's fans aren't disrupting his chat, or do you think it's none of your business what your guys do? Because he may well think the same.

Blogger Haus frau November 23, 2019 1:12 AM  

Nick gives off major gay vibes. Very effeminate speech patterns and physical movements.

Blogger ScottC November 23, 2019 1:20 AM  

Milo's presentation is even more effeminate than Nick's. Do you want to disavow Milo too?

Blogger James Lovebirch November 23, 2019 1:26 AM  

For all of the people who are criticizing Owen for starting this beef, one or both of two things is true.

1 They did not actually watch the video where Nick slighted Owen and the Bears

2 They are too gamma or omega to understand how a natural bravo would view and react to what Nick did.

Blogger Thomas Howard November 23, 2019 1:28 AM  

This must mean Nick the knife has finally and definitively turned down the "come join us at unauthorized tv" overtures. Considering his live viewership, nightly superchat support, and the fact he is taken as a serious threat by conservative Inc, this must be quite a blow to the ego. To the gamma, the sting of rejection is like the slow knife, the one that takes its time, which slips quietly between the bones, that's the knife that cuts the deepest.
If I wasn't so burdened by empathy, I'd find this hilarious.

Blogger MEGAMUS Maximus November 23, 2019 1:32 AM  

You're projecting. And if anything, I'd argue that the only useless ones here are you and Nick. Vox not important? Only a delusional goober on a diet of soylent could think that.

Blogger MEGAMUS Maximus November 23, 2019 1:40 AM  

You sound like an asshurt gamma. If anything, you guys need to start getting over the fact that Nick is about as authentic as Andrew Alan Escher Auernheimer, who is almost certainly a CIA asset.

Blogger MEGAMUS Maximus November 23, 2019 1:41 AM  

Gammas are being as clueless as ever. What's the matter? Too many of you fly north for the winter because the Alpha Geese bonked you out of your MLP boxers one too many times?

Blogger Jim Blake November 23, 2019 1:49 AM  

@VD, for what it's worth Nick told his followers to "shut up", stop stirring the pot. "I hate people that do this, please don't do this anymore. I am not interested in this e-drama."

Blogger Jill in StL November 23, 2019 2:01 AM  

Listen up, gamma-gropers (and yes, I am deliberately misspelling your leader's chosen pronoun for you) - We ALL saw the video clips of Nick sperging out about Owen NOT on his own live-stream, but on others sites, including his very recent InfoWars stream, where he called Owen a "Jew" and "retarded" - did Nickels bother to know Alex's wife is a "Jew"? Nickels has also made the statement that "Amy cries in the background while Owen is drunk and screaming", when 1) We know Amy and Owen deeply love each other and committed to each other and she's just as much a warrior in her own way as Owen is, plus she does not care how Owen live-streams or what he says because she adores him and he adores her. All these claims that you make that Owen is gay - who is the one who has two young boys and is working on a third boy here and it's not Nickels. 2) Owen has been sober since April and he was never an alcoholic. 3) Owen is a situational alpha to the bears community and when you gropers keep sperging all over his livestream and Nickels keeps shooting his mouth off all over the internet about him, he will grind you into the dust and won't stop. Deal with it - play stupid games with him and you will win really stupid "prizes." And your constant berating him over him somehow magically being "Jewish" is just retarded and tired. And for the love of all things holy, quit running to Vox about another grown arse man who he is friends with - what kind of loyalty does he owe you exactly? All you do is come on his blog and his streams to stir up drama and he has warned you repeatedly he is not interested in it - well, you certainly got his attention. Nickels will never debate Vox either because Nickels is either bought and paid for now or he has aspirations that don't include any of you for his future and he will forget every single one of you when that happens, mark my words - you are just his current stepping stones. Owen has been 100% accurate on warning his sleuth about potential bad actors on the right thus far and it's clear thus far he's been accurate about Nickels too. So, run to your "leader" and knock yourselves out. Your "leader" is failing miserably to lead you because you are acting like spoiled and quite ignorant brats and he should tell you to grow up and shut up and he will get in touch with both men here and work things out - that is IF he really wants all the drama to stop....why, it almost seems like Little Nickels enjoys "punching right" and internet drama because he's trying to make a name for himself in any way possible. What is it wanna-be celebrities say? - something to the effect of "bad press is better than no press at all??"











Blogger Noah B. November 23, 2019 2:10 AM  

"Nick gives off major gay vibes. Very effeminate speech patterns and physical movements."

Could be. I don't usually watch his videos but I caught the later portion of his livestream tonight. Among his other ramblings, he discusses that he can't imagine being in a long term relationship with a girl because he can't fathom buying someone that many gifts - for Christmases, birthdays, anniversaries, etc. He fixates on the emails he receives from fans who are excited to finally have girlfriends with obvious resentment in his voice. This is a 21 year old man and his comfort with relationships is on par with that of a typical middle schooler.

Also this is subtle but it seemed out of place - isn't it bizarre for someone with a far right platform to have a picture of the NYC skyline as his background?

Blogger Julian Assad November 23, 2019 3:32 AM  

I honestly think weev is one of the few alt-retards who isn't CIA or a total retard. The jewish grandfather rumour is a lie his prog mother (literally adopted 2 black kids and treated them bettee than weev) told the media as damage control.

Blogger Julian Assad November 23, 2019 4:41 AM  

Nickle didn't even come off well in a debate about neocohenism with Jacob Wohl of all people. Jacob Wohl sounded far smarter even while taking the die for Israel position. It's clear btw that Nick doesn't hold the coherent nationalist position - that Israel is a nation and hence has the right to exist (which doesn't mean America should support them in any way or that Palestine isn't likewise a nation). Similarly, as far as America goes, he is a white globalist. He said he wouldn't care if millions of Europeans immigrated to America. He doesn't know that America is a Anglo-Celtic (minus Irish) nation, nor does he want to know, since he is an Italian/Spanish/Mexican hapa.

And when you call him out on anything he just goes "I was being ironic/I was being sarcastic/I was being edgy/I said that 2 months ago when I was only 19".

He tells people they're going to burn in Hell and smears people as Jews, yet he is the one using Pharisaic reasoning to get around "thou shalt not bear false witness".

He lies about believing in the 6 million, then claims it wasn't a lie because "muh irony". He wants all the accolades that come through telling truths, while avoiding any of the ensuing sacrifices. He violates his own religion in so doing. Jesus said we would be hated by the world, but Nick wants to be loved by it. Well Nick, the prince of this world can make that happen. But the price is your soul.

Blogger Gregory the Great November 23, 2019 5:42 AM  

Quite a few people here are getting their proverbial (((knickles))) in a twist.

Blogger Tupla-J November 23, 2019 5:42 AM  

Nickles apparently went and blocked every VFM he could find on Twitter. I don't remember saying anything to him.

Rather skittish.

Blogger SJ November 23, 2019 5:48 AM  

No that isn't what happened. Owen was still hitting the sauce pretty hard and he went full retard. If he had any integrity he would apologize. It was beyond embarrassing.

Blogger SJ November 23, 2019 5:51 AM  

One thing reading this thread shows is that a lot of Vox populi commenters are seriously some alpha chest thumping sheer winners who should really feel good about themselves.

Blogger mrpinks November 23, 2019 5:57 AM  

Best quote from todays stream was "Bring it on Nickers"
The dark lord has great comic talent!

Blogger wreckage November 23, 2019 6:19 AM  

"To the gamma, the sting of rejection is like the slow knife, the one that takes its time, which slips quietly between the bones, that's the knife that cuts the deepest."

It's time to grasp the nettle and take the bull by the horns! Who will ride with me as we storm the trenches, what loyal wingman will strap himself to the tiller with me as we ride the lightning?

Blogger Bryce Pattillo November 23, 2019 6:44 AM  

Reminder that all this retarded e-drama started because Nick said “I don’t agree with [Owen] on everything” and Owen somehow saw that as an attack.

Blogger Requited Hate November 23, 2019 7:42 AM  

Why did Owen go full retard?

Blogger Mauldication Bear November 23, 2019 8:05 AM  

Really? When I tuned in, Nick was cracking jokes about Vox being bald and trying to chasing his clout. Anyone with Bear in their name was immediately banned and superchats deleted.

Blogger purple echo November 23, 2019 8:46 AM  

The drama started when the Knicker's came into Owen's stream asking him for a debate. Owen said he might do it, but because the groypers are so annoying, Owen got pissed. It was the same thing with the Savanye fans. You Knicker's are the most annoying bunch I have seen on the internet in along time. You make your "leader" look bad. Stop looking for drama everywhere, it just exposes you for the gamma boys that you are.

Blogger Haus frau November 23, 2019 8:47 AM  

@80 Milo's presentation is even more effeminate than Nick's. Do you want to disavow Milo too?

What is your point exactly? Milo is about as up front about being a flaming queer as it gets. Fuentes presents himself as a Christian traditionalist which doesn't exactly mesh with being gay.

Blogger VD November 23, 2019 9:08 AM  

When I tuned in, Nick was cracking jokes about Vox being bald and trying to chasing his clout.

One does not chase the nonexistent. It's obvious that he isn't anywhere nearly ready for prime time. He failed the Emmitt Smith test. When you get into the end zone, act like you've been there before.

Blogger VD November 23, 2019 9:10 AM  

Why did Owen go full retard?

Owen did nothing of the kind. Neither he nor I give a damn about your little Nicky. And the more you morons post here about him, the more inclined we are to disembowel him.

Either shut up and go away or deal with a lot more of this for a very long time.

Blogger VD November 23, 2019 9:12 AM  

Reminder that all this retarded e-drama started because Nick said “I don’t agree with [Owen] on everything” and Owen somehow saw that as an attack.

Every time one of you morons comment about Nick Fuentes here, I will publicly address him. So take your Little Nicky Titty Baby nonsense elsewhere. What part of "I'm not interested" do you not understand?

Blogger Requited Hate November 23, 2019 9:21 AM  

I know that. I’m aware of what happened. I wanted to see if the Nickels fan would double down on an obvious lie.

Blogger Rabid Ratel November 23, 2019 9:33 AM  

I smell a new book coming soon, courtesy of the Nickel Idiot Sperg Party.

Blogger Counting Crowbars November 23, 2019 9:55 AM  

@47 "Owen isn't the fake. What reputation? I was just credibly informed that no one before Nick Fuentes has ever done anything for whatever your idiot "cause" is."

Have you ever listened to Owen's WDTL podcasts Vox? As recently as mid 2017 Owen was peddling Democratic and left leaning ideas; he wasn't just a luke warm leftie, he was rabidly against Trumep, Pro Hilary to the point of being attracted to her.

He was even pro gender pronouns on 1 podcast he claimed Amy calls him "wifey". He has boasted in the podcasts of frequenting Gay bars and how easy it was to pick up dudes. He has also mocked the working class for voting Trump.

All his claims about his dad's homosexuality, and not being on good terms with for over a decade, well, the podcasts 2 years ago say otherwise. Even Owen's tone of Voice back then is on the feminine side, and that too suddenly changed, the question is what changed? Could it be Hollywood was no longer interested in him? Or was it the Trans kid issue. If you see the facebook post of Owen upon leaving and moving to Saranac, its clear he its the former, but he sees a opportunity to grift and garner favour with the likes of Rogan, Rubin, Shapiro, etc. And finally you.

What I don't understand Vox, and something I respect about you, is you like to promote what is Good, beautiful and true, something I think we all have common ground in.

But I struggle to understand then, how you promote a guy who says the most disgusting degenerate vile things consistently on his streams, while mixing in talk of how he's working from dawn to dusk while seemingly growing Obese? I mean, how do you not see this sir?

And also does he really promote truth, when he is consistently peddling conspiracy theories like the earth is flat, there is no moon, nukes aren't real etc. Sure you could argue its "comedy" not to be taken seriously, but the fact is he does, and more importantly so do his followers who believe these lies.

So how do you reconcile the beautiful, good and true with this kind of conduct Vox. I have huge respect for you as a intellectual sir, and this is what I mean by reputational damage, as there are many who may not like your character and conduct, but they don't doubt your intellect.

But this major blind spot you have for Owen, who if you hadn't aligned yourself with has a wealth of book material for you to get your teeth into, if you only looked.

Ultimately what's more important Truth or Friendship? If one runs counter to the other, even if its difficult, and maybe takes some humility to come to terms with, but the truth must prevail. And Vox, The truth is Owen is a fake, all it takes would be for you to be objective and start looking at his past. You exposed Jordan Peterson, exposing Owen is infinitely easier, yet you continue to turn a blind eye.

This is the reputational damage I'm talking about sir, your intellectual reputation, pattern recognition, yet with Owen, nada. Good day to you.

Blogger SJ November 23, 2019 10:20 AM  

Comment away about Fuentes Vox. Why make this lame... threat? If Fuentes is a charlatan I sure would like to know.

Blogger Servant November 23, 2019 10:28 AM  

@counting crowbars

Cut the pill in half or quarters or what have you. Just start with the moon landing. Let the other stuff come naturally.

The moon landing is so obviously fake it is almost hilarious. Your reaction to this is trauma based. I can feel the pain by the way you speak. Don't you find that odd? Why are people threatened by these things?

As for what he said two years ago according to you who cares. His appearances on toe, Rubin, and his work with Crowder are about a man desperate to keep his family fed. What you can see is a man finally free. Almost two hours a day he streams unscripted and is funny and alive and true.

Blogger LP2020 November 23, 2019 10:31 AM  

For the thread, not everyone applies guilt or judgement by association.

Blogger VD November 23, 2019 10:31 AM  

Comment away about Fuentes Vox. Why make this lame... threat? If Fuentes is a charlatan I sure would like to know.

It's not a "lame threat", moron.

I struggle to understand then, how you promote a guy who says the most disgusting degenerate vile things consistently on his streams, while mixing in talk of how he's working from dawn to dusk while seemingly growing Obese? I mean, how do you not see this sir?

Because it's absolutely false. Your narrative is entirely incorrect.

this is what I mean by reputational damage, as there are many who may not like your character and conduct, but they don't doubt your intellect.

I don't care what relative retards think, about me or anything else. Morons have been telling me that I was wrong about all sorts of things for decades. I very much doubt they're about to start being correct now.

What part of "Owen is a comedian" is hard for you retards to understand? His ONLY job is to come up with a humorous take on life, the universe, and everything. Why you idiots seem to think he is some sort of intellectual who should be viewed like Martin van Creveld or Steve Keen is beyond my understanding.

Blogger sammibandit November 23, 2019 10:44 AM  

Where is the debate?

Blogger ScottC November 23, 2019 10:55 AM  

Fuentes presents himself as a Christian traditionalist which doesn't exactly mesh with being gay.

What if the orientation can't be helped? If it is inborn then there is no inconsistency as long as he is not a practicing homosexual i.e. he is not engaged in homosexual relations or demanding that everyone accept it.

Blogger Unknown November 23, 2019 10:58 AM  

@Requated Hate so which was it that they agree on everything or most things?

Blogger rcocean November 23, 2019 11:09 AM  

Why poke the bear? Let the Bears alone, Nick. Of course, he's a young dude. Anyway, its all very amusing, although I've love for them to get together debate who's the worst person on Conservative Inc. rather than attacking each other.

Blogger Counting Crowbars November 23, 2019 11:14 AM  

"Because it's absolutely false. Your narrative is entirely incorrect."

No Vox, its absolutely true. I think I've heard you say before that you don't listen to Owen streams, I suggest you listen to some as it appears you are opining in ignorance on this and start checking him out.. This isn't my own subjective opinion, this is as objective as night and day.

"What part of "Owen is a comedian" is hard for you retards to understand? His ONLY job is to come up with a humorous take on life, the universe, and everything. Why you idiots seem to think he is some sort of intellectual who should be viewed like Martin van Creveld or Steve Keen is beyond my understanding."

Owen does not present his take on life in a comedic humourous way is the reason why; he presents them as fact, that he fully believes in exactly what he says. If he made a disclosure that this was all comedy not to be taken seriously, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Owen believes it and so do his followers.

Owen also presents himself as a intellectual, constantly promoting he is cleverer than anyone in Oxford, that he has a 147IQ, and yes I agree with you vox, his followers who buy into this are morons, but that doesn't negate the fact Owen presents himself to them this way, on the basis that his mummy tells him so. It's this level of patheticness on Owen's behaviour is why? Your endorsement of him is also another reason why.

Also I distinctly recall you commenting about your dislike for Adam Sandler type juvenile humour, yet you like Owen's? Owen should give up his status as "comedian" first job of a comedian is to make people laugh, they also should have a thick skin, Owen's sensitive nature makes me wonder how he got into comedy in the first place. He is simply not funny imo. And that is not what is attracting his audience his humourous takes, it is his unhinged behaviour and shock jock internet drama that is generating his audience. Which again points back to you Vox, as you hate internet drama, which I'm in complete agreement with you, yet your blindness in defence of Owen is baffling to me. This will be my final comment sir, We can agree to disagree, which of course with Owen re Fuentes, is a insult of the worst kind.

Blogger Unknown November 23, 2019 11:15 AM  

Owen doesn't care? He hasn't shut up about him in four months.

Blogger ar10308 November 23, 2019 11:23 AM  

Didn't Owen just recently attend a Flat Earth Conference? For the longest time Owen was quite harsh on how annoying the Flat Earthers were being towards him. But now, he's rather sympathetic towards them. Is the same thing possible with the Nicklers?

Blogger Haus frau November 23, 2019 11:31 AM  

@113 What if, what if, what if... he is effeminate, homosexual vibes. From what I have seen of his character, if he swings that way, the chances of him being a "virtuous" homo are basically nil. Why so dead set on rationalizing red flags?

Blogger Fuzzy November 23, 2019 12:16 PM  

It is kind of odd how Owen was such a lefty only 2 years ago. @countingcrowbars has a bit of a point, I saw a clip from his podcast where he was gushing over Hilary Clinton and his voice was a lot more feminine... Very odd. I realize some people wake up to politics later than others, but Owen was saying "when I look at Hillary, I see a beautiful woman, I'm even attracted to her". Even the most hardcore leftists I know were lukewarm about Hilary at best.

Not trying to drive a wedge as I do enjoy Owens current content, but let's not pretend as though he's an established fighter for the cause. The reality of the situation is that Nick Fuentes has been far more consistent for far longer than Owen Benjamin has and that's a proven fact.

Blogger Wasumyon November 23, 2019 1:32 PM  

Haha that's bloody funny!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 23, 2019 1:46 PM  

Counting Crowbars wrote:Owen's behaviour is legit insane, and its indirectly damaging the reputation you have built over the years.
Oh great. Now we're going to have twice or thrice weekly Nick Fuentes posts until the Knickers shut up. And given their performance here, that is approximately never.
Oh well, it'll be great when Fuentes melts down and winds up in rehab.

Blogger VD November 23, 2019 1:49 PM  

No Vox, its absolutely true.

I repeat: you are absolutely wrong. I know Owen. You don't. You've watched some video streams, which means you don't know him at all.

It is kind of odd how Owen was such a lefty only 2 years ago.

There is nothing odd about it. He was a Hollywood actor. Then he took a stand and discovered just how deep the rabbit hole went. Owen has proven that he will not cuck, not even when deplatformed, disavowed, and pressed very hard to do so. I would not recommend betting on Fuentes not doing so when the time comes for him to be tested. You guys can stand with whomever you want.

More than 80 percent of you said I was wrong about Jordan Peterson too. So, I hope you will understand that I value your collective opinions about people less than I value the opinion of our new puppy on the tax policies of the International Monetary Fund.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 23, 2019 2:06 PM  

VD wrote:our new puppy
Congratulations. Vizsla?

Blogger Bunnyknows November 23, 2019 2:52 PM  

I'll pass on Fuentes Fags, thanks.

Blogger Apathy Is Death November 23, 2019 3:50 PM  

@116

No one cares about your brick-wall of retardry. You don't have to be a faggot. Get help.

Blogger Jill in StL November 23, 2019 4:39 PM  

I would just like to give a shout-out to Mountain Bear for his video work, not just for this video, but also for all of his videos. My two previoius personal favorites have been his Boomer video and his Doomer Zoomer video, and lest I forget, his greatly viewed video of that socialist conference - hilarious stuff! Kuddos, Mountain Bear - keep crushing!

Blogger ScottC November 23, 2019 4:59 PM  

From what I have seen of his character, if he swings that way, the chances of him being a "virtuous" homo are basically nil. Why so dead set on rationalizing red flags?

Because you're speculating. "Vibes" aren't evidence of anything. What has he said or done on that particular score that is sinful? He doesn't openly practice homosexuality or preach for its tolerance. He looks and sounds like half the guys his age. Are they all secretly gay too? Regarding Milo, is it worse to be Catholic and closeted than it is to be Catholic and openly gay?

Blogger Haus frau November 23, 2019 7:53 PM  

"Are they all secretly gay too? Regarding Milo, is it worse to be Catholic and closeted than it is to be Catholic and openly gay?"

Huh, this sounds familiar. Haven't you ridden this hoby horse here before?
Gaydar is real. Get over it.

Blogger nyan November 24, 2019 2:40 PM  

One crucial bit of insight here that a lot of folks seem to be overlooking: Nick's exploitation of the "groyper" meme is an incredibly bad-faith move. Groypers as a pre-Nick meme were defined by being "cozy", not adhering to any particular political mindset. Yes, they were generally pro-white, but there's a lot of Kaczynski ecofash and social liberalism there as well too. This branding of the "Groyper War" is an example of Nick's blindness to social norms. He's deliberately co-opting a brand for political gain and creating a LOT of enemies in the process. Proper groypers--not the Nick co-opted ones--are very upset by all of this and beginning to push back.

There is serious potential for this as a wedge issue, but the real groypers are too cozy to wage war.

Nick can't win on an even playing field so he's trying a bone-headed lack-witted meme-exploit tactic that appears to be bearing fruit for now but shows very little respect for Internet culture in the larger scale. This kind of blindness is exactly why the conflict with Big Bear intensified: Nick's too young to understand what forces he's wielding.

I don't expect him to last long into 2020 before bigger, smarter forces aggressively deplatform him for his "blatant antisemitism", as he's simply not smart enough to do what he's doing without slipping.

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