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Tuesday, November 19, 2019

Self-reliance is a military virtue

Sanctions and U.S. military assistance are threatening to change the balance of power in the Middle East. Just not in the way they were intended to do so:
Despite decades of sanctions, Iran has succeeded in developing its missile arsenal, which is larger than that of any other Middle Eastern country including Israel, a Pentagon study said Tuesday.

"Iran has an extensive missile development program, and the size and sophistication of its missile force continues to grow despite decades of counterproliferation efforts aimed at curbing its advancement," the Defense Intelligence Agency said.

"Lacking a modern air force, Iran has embraced ballistic missiles as a long-range strike capability to dissuade its adversaries in the region -- particularly the United States, Israel and Saudi Arabia -- from attacking Iran," the report said.

Iran has "the largest missile force in the Middle East," the report said. A US intelligence official said on condition of anonymity that the assessment included Israel.
Not unlike the German development of the U-boat and the Japanese development of the aircraft carrier due to overwhelming British and American battleship strength, the Iranian bypassing of the aircraft-based air superiority doctrine is likely to have helped it strategically in the end.

And due to its inability to purchase weapons from the US or the European countries, it now has a base of missile technology that cannot be cut off at will by those countries.

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91 Comments:

Blogger Dwayne Thundergrit November 19, 2019 5:55 PM  

Yeah, but do they have any aircraft carriers? No, so how are they going to project air power half way around the world to meddle in someone else's business on behalf of their pet leech?

Blogger Alen November 19, 2019 6:07 PM  

Dwayne Thundergrit wrote:No, so how are they going to project air power half way around the world to meddle in someone else's business on behalf of their pet leech?

According to this news leak I am reading, coming out of Middle East Forum just a few minutes ago, their first target is Saudi Arabia.

https://www.meforum.org/59938/muslim-brotherhood-and-iran-dirty-dealings?utm_source=Middle+East+Forum&utm_campaign=c465e08187-MEF_Frantzman_2019_11_19_10_40&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_086cfd423c-c465e08187-33925485&goal=0_086cfd423c-c465e08187-33925485&mc_cid=c465e08187&mc_eid=3c3b82062e

Apparently the Muslim Brotherhood offered to work with the Iranian leadership, which would have been ominous, to say the least.

And also the following quote is definitely an eye-opener: "The Brotherhood's embrace of Iran defies the conventional wisdom that Sunni and Shi'ite Islamists don't mix."

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei November 19, 2019 6:15 PM  

its adversaries in the region -- particularly the United States

It's such a misfortune of geography that Iran borders Ohio, Nevada, Maine and Kentucky, or we wouldn't have this problem.

Blogger Brett baker November 19, 2019 6:17 PM  

Then again, the Pentagon has never exaggerated a threat to get more money.

Blogger The Masked Menace November 19, 2019 6:19 PM  

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Blogger Lukas Brunnor November 19, 2019 6:22 PM  

Everyone who has read Frank Herbert's Dune knows that neglecting or forcing a group to survive without outside help breeds a stronger group in the end.

Blogger The Masked Menace November 19, 2019 6:23 PM  

Was the destruction of Iraq really the obvious complete strategic blunder that it first appeared to be? Or was it a sinister long term strategy to suck Iran into the vacuum and set her up for war?

Gentlemen, at this point I find my myself questioning everything and suspecting devious plans war everywhere.

Blogger Oswald November 19, 2019 6:24 PM  

The same thing can happen with a treaty. Rockets were not covered by treaty at the end of World War II. Thus, the Germans could spend money in that area. Obama's executive agreement with Iran did not cover missiles either. Thus, Obama gave them a green light to keep improving on their missile technology. But it is just not their missile program, but their drone program that is going to guarantee they are going to be a major player in the future.

More than likely, sometime in the future, (I wouldn't be willing to set a date.) Iran will gain control of most of the middle east. This may or may not lead to a general war involving the USA, but more likely would involve a war with Europe. I would assume Europe would win that contest.

Blogger Lukas Brunnor November 19, 2019 6:27 PM  

Of course Europe would win, because on the cusp of their losing the US would be sucked in. Rinse. Repeat.

Blogger Gettimothy November 19, 2019 6:27 PM  

Good on them.

Blogger Crew November 19, 2019 6:28 PM  

This may or may not lead to a general war involving the USA, but more likely would involve a war with Europe. I would assume Europe would win that contest.

Given the number of infiltraitors in Europe, that is not a forgone conclusion.

Blogger dtungsten November 19, 2019 6:33 PM  

I see Iran understands the value of building its own platforms.

Blogger Rajadog20 November 19, 2019 7:03 PM  

Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya, Syria, Iran were all countries that the elites decided before 2001 in which there would be regime change.

It just so happens that these are the countries which refuse to bow to the world banking system. Not a coincidence, they don’t care how the country or war turns out as long as they have control over their leader and economy

Blogger 7916 November 19, 2019 7:06 PM  

"it now has a base of missile technology that cannot be cut off at will by those countries."

I think this falls under Industrial Policy. Much more useful to the survival of a nation than tax policy.

Russia is very much in the same boat with its consumer goods and heavy industrial goods categories as well.

Looks like tariffs and sanctions lead to strong industrial bases, while free trade opens the door to strategic weakness...

Blogger Calvin809 November 19, 2019 7:19 PM  

Couldn't the US place their carriers out of range of the missles and send aircraft to hit the missle sites? What's a realistic range for carrier aircraft with refueling in the air?

Blogger dienw November 19, 2019 7:29 PM  

@3It's such a misfortune of geography that Iran borders Ohio, Nevada, Maine and Kentucky, or we wouldn't have this problem.

Stop whining: we have California.

Blogger Dwayne Thundergrit November 19, 2019 7:31 PM  

Well Alen, the proper response to the quote you posted is, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend".

Push people hard enough and they'll put aside an awful lot of the past to along with temporarily swallowing a good bit of their pride in order to deal with a threat that constantly threatens to wipe them off the face of the earth.

Now next time someone says the US hasn't accomplished anything in the ME for the past twenty years you can show them that quote and tell em' that no, the US has managed to some Sunni and Shiite to start to get along with one another. A grand accomplishment indeed.

Blogger Calvin809 November 19, 2019 7:53 PM  

It looks like the Navy gimped itself of it's strike capability of 1200 miles with no refueling to 500 miles after getting rid of it's cold war deep strike aircraft. https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/for-the-navy-strike-capability-should-be-top-priority/amp/

Blogger God Emperor Memes November 19, 2019 7:55 PM  

Mossad will find a way.

Blogger Robert Pinkerton November 19, 2019 7:59 PM  

A strong Iran is an impediment to Israeli exercise of hegemony over the Near East.

Blogger Robert What? November 19, 2019 7:59 PM  

Someone remind me why we hate the Iranians? I mean besides the fact that (((they))) tell us to hate the Iranians?

Blogger Unknownsailor November 19, 2019 8:04 PM  

Iran manages to keep some of the 100 or so F-14s sold to the Shah still flying, perhaps a squadron's worth. They would not be able to do that without some capability to domestically produce parts for it. When the F-14 was retired from US fleet service all airframes not mounted for display were ordered to be cut up for scrap, and all spares were destroyed.
I believe Iran produces a copy of the BGM-71 TOW missile, too.

Blogger Andrew Jackson November 19, 2019 8:08 PM  

Germany and Japan were both crushed.

Blogger MEGAMUS Maximus November 19, 2019 8:08 PM  

The other likely scenario is that the Europeans would win by force of their own arms (US wouldd have collapsed by this point).

Or no war would be declared, after Saudi Arabia and Israel have been reduced to Bomb craters.

Blogger Unknownsailor November 19, 2019 8:09 PM  

If any individual European country could logistically support even a division outside of it's own borders I would be highly surprised. Some of them would have a hard time supporting a company organically.

Blogger MEGAMUS Maximus November 19, 2019 8:09 PM  

If a war would be declared by Europeans, it would only be possible under nationalists. The infiltrators would either have been deported from their countries or deported from life.

Blogger MEGAMUS Maximus November 19, 2019 8:11 PM  

Not this time, due simply because of how similar it is now with the Cia. Which is that they are both full of pansies who always mistake influence for power.

Blogger Doktor Jeep November 19, 2019 8:12 PM  

Oh my. Iran is not part of the globohomo supply chain. Imagine my shark.

Blogger Gen. Kong November 19, 2019 8:13 PM  

Now next time someone says the US hasn't accomplished anything in the ME for the past twenty years you can show them that quote and tell em' that no, the US has managed to some Sunni and Shiite to start to get along with one another. A grand accomplishment indeed.

Well, the Imam Al-Duhbya the Mahdi of West Texas always liked to say that he wuz a "uniter not a divider". Maybe he really is the 12th Mahdi. Who know such a creature would come out of Texas?

Blogger Ken Prescott November 19, 2019 8:18 PM  

Missiles are favorites of low-societal-trust countries because:

1. They're cheap(ish)
2. They're flashy
3. Unlike airplanes, they're not reusable--which means that they're effectively untestable

They're great for bluffing. Not so great for actually fighting a damn war, though.

Blogger Gen. Kong November 19, 2019 8:20 PM  

Someone remind me why we hate the Iranians?

I think they were the Hitler du jour at some time in the past. Putler was one of the recent ones and now it looks like Xi will be getting the designation. Xi should quote the late Idi Amin if he really wants the award tho: "Hitler was a great man." The screeching from the usual suspects would be up to a very high decibel level indeed if he did. (What would Ben Shapiru's face look like?? Would have to burn his latest sheets??) I wonder if they show pix of whoever the Hitler du jour is on the Hitler channel?

Blogger Crew November 19, 2019 8:23 PM  

Are China's and Russia's banks under control of the banking cartel?

Blogger Stilicho November 19, 2019 8:45 PM  

"It's such a misfortune of geography that Iran borders Ohio, Nevada, Maine and Kentucky, or we wouldn't have this problem"

It could be worse. If Iran was on our border we would be importing them by the millions.

Blogger pnq87 November 19, 2019 8:50 PM  

Wow, this is really concerning.
I mean I'm really worried.
If Iran can defend itself against Globohomo that could be a threat to butt sodomy and race mixing everywhere.
Gosh, I sure hope our leaders come up with some way to subvert them quickly.

Blogger English Tom November 19, 2019 9:21 PM  

@The Masked Menace

The destruction of Iraq was phase 1 of the creation of a state called Kurdistan. This is but one strand in the Israeli operation known as the Oded Yinon plan, which aims to balkanise the states of the middle east into smaller ethnic configurations. See: Ralph Peter's map of the new middle east as to what the endgame is.

Blogger English Tom November 19, 2019 9:31 PM  

@Ken Prescott

I think you grievously underestimate the importance of missiles in warfare. The next major war will be dominated by missiles, it will probably be won by the best use of missiles.
The influence of the missile in the dimension of warfare is only set to grow.

Blogger Azimus November 19, 2019 9:33 PM  

Iran was one of the official original "state sponsors of terror" - against Israel via the PLO and later Hezbollah. To my knowledge they have never committed an act of terror against the US - but I refuse to define ambuscades against military targests as terrorism, and the marine barracks in Beirut and USS Stark were military targets.

Blogger Hammerli 280 November 19, 2019 9:48 PM  

Hmph. The Iranians are infamous for sham-show weapons. Suitable for PR events and parades...but they don't work.

Not that missile technology is any great secret any longer.

Blogger Taylor? November 19, 2019 9:58 PM  

A good old fashioned pride parade is what they need! Then they would really be a civilized nation.

Blogger Crew November 19, 2019 10:01 PM  

I am hoping we get to see just how much of a sham the Iranian missiles and those Russian S400s are ...

Blogger Ken Prescott November 19, 2019 10:17 PM  

"I think you grievously underestimate the importance of missiles in warfare. The next major war will be dominated by missiles, it will probably be won by the best use of missiles."

The article is about ballistic missiles.

They're big-ticket, spendy items--which means that they can't be tested in any meaningful way, particularly in developing and testing tactics.

The DF-21 and successors were never really aimed at American carriers--they were a budget argument by the Chinese 2nd Artillery Corps against aircraft carriers, much as USAF B-36s were a budgetary weapon against US Navy fast carrier task forces between the end of World War II and the start of the Korean War. (Notice that the Chinese decided to go with building carriers.)

Blogger Ahărôwn November 19, 2019 10:18 PM  

The same thing can happen with a treaty.

Indeed. Aircraft carrier construction numbers weren't limited by the Washington Naval Treaty, another element in their development between the World Wars.

Blogger Lazarus November 19, 2019 10:35 PM  

Robert What? wrote:Someone remind me why we hate the Iranians? I mean besides the fact that (((they))) tell us to hate the Iranians?

Read up on their history. Iranians are intent on being a sovereign nation.

Blogger Crew November 19, 2019 10:41 PM  

I guess that's it then. The Iranians are finished because the Chinese DF-21 was really just a budget battle ...

Blogger Wazdakka November 19, 2019 11:21 PM  

The Egyptians used missile air defence, and anti tank missiles to help recapture the sinai peninsula in 1973.
All navies use missiles as their primary air defence. Without Seawolf the Falkland conflict could have ended differently, and the exocet nearly did.
I think missiles will only gain relevance with advances in guidance and propulsion.

Blogger Ken Prescott November 19, 2019 11:38 PM  

"I guess that's it then. The Iranians are finished because the Chinese DF-21 was really just a budget battle ..."

I'm just pointing out the screechingly obvious: ballistic missiles are basically a political weapon. Due to their cost and lack of reusability, things such as development and validation of viable tactics, operational scale live-fire exercises under realistic conditions, etc., are impossible. (Note that not one single DF-21 has been fired at a maneuvering target at sea, let alone one being goal-tended by an area air-defense ship or two. They've fired a few at a carrier-shaped target slab in China, and that's it.)

The upside of the missile a political weapon is it doesn't have to work as well as advertised.

The downside: neither do missile defenses, because those are political countermeasures to political weapons.

Blogger TMLutas November 19, 2019 11:51 PM  

The Iranians are going for missiles. The US is going for lasers. If we get sufficient powerplant improvements, the US wins.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29074/skunk-works-exotic-fusion-reactor-program-moves-forward-with-larger-more-powerful-design

Depending on the costs involved to deploy, what Lockheed Martin is working on changes a lot in society, not just the military game.

Blogger Robert Browning November 20, 2019 3:12 AM  

Jewish agitating towards China will result in better relations between Iran and China. Iran my acquire more advanced weaponry in the process.

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei November 20, 2019 3:50 AM  

@47 - "Practical" fusion power has been just around the corner for nigh 40 years now. Worrying about the costs to deploy is getting way ahead of the game as they don't even have a viable prototype yet, and won't until "sometime in the mid-2020's".

Blogger MEGAMUS Maximus November 20, 2019 5:02 AM  

Your making the mistake of thinking that this is the same situation as the 1940s.

You also are making the mistake of thinking that American victory and Axis loss were foregone conclusions.

The Allies were all (relatively) healthier nations when they went to war in WW2. Methinks that if a similar war would occur now, things would end in the opposite result.

Blogger MEGAMUS Maximus November 20, 2019 5:04 AM  

They were. I think the plan is to continue reducing reliance.

Blogger MEGAMUS Maximus November 20, 2019 5:05 AM  

Conflict is never so simple, especially in the Era of 4GW

Blogger MEGAMUS Maximus November 20, 2019 5:06 AM  

The S-400s proved their worth in Syria.

Blogger MEGAMUS Maximus November 20, 2019 5:08 AM  

This assumes the money won't go into a wastes of time. Which I sincerely doubt.

Also, wars aren't won by single pieces of equipment unless they happen to be WMDs. Which opens Mad.

Blogger MEGAMUS Maximus November 20, 2019 5:16 AM  

Everybody claiming a US win based on simple discussions on one or two pieces of tech ignore the fact that it ain't gunnamatta if said statistically high variables can't be effectively mobilized in an efficient manner.

Also 4GW.

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Blogger Longtime Lurker November 20, 2019 6:00 AM  

Iran has missiles, but little cash. It also has drones and cruise missiles, which it used to strike high value targets in Saudi Arabia at least three times in recent months - with plausible deniability in each case.

The entire Iranian imperial enterprise - Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Iran itself - is now convulsed with mass antigovernment demonstrations.

Intensifying Internal Disequilibrium + Rising Operational Confidence = Use or Lose It Mentality

Iran can inflict loads of damage, particularly against fixed targets, but it has no adequate response against U.S. standoff weapons.

The Iranian leadership knows this, but will they remember it as the internal crisis builds?

Blogger Bernard Korzeniewicz November 20, 2019 6:25 AM  

@Ken Prescott
My country is Poland.
Our navy tested the old Osa SS (SS-N-2A Styx) on the Baltic against some armed targets in early 1970s.
The very first effective anty-ship missle always hit a target unless said missle had been hit by AAA fire no closer than 2km from target. On inertia alone a warhead or/and an rocket engine reached a target.
Yup the Phalanx CIWS is "the wet fireworks"
I wonder how many other AAA systems are useless.

Blogger xevious2030 November 20, 2019 7:18 AM  

Catacorner. The new Q post is correct in the multitude of ways, there is no step five. The certain future they had intended is entirely gone. For them, it is year zero. You want a future, go get it.

Blogger Karen took the Kids November 20, 2019 7:25 AM  

This is probably the largest case of "If you don't like our platform, build your own".

Blogger Blastmaster November 20, 2019 7:36 AM  

"Yeah, but do they have any aircraft carriers? No, so how are they going to project air power half way around the world to meddle in someone else's business on behalf of their pet leech?"
If you imply what I think you imply it is an insult to leeches. Your speciesism has no home here sir

Blogger Sillon November 20, 2019 8:16 AM  

@59

which it used to strike high value targets in Saudi Arabia at least three times in recent months - with plausible deniability in each case.

I hardly doubt that is the case, that is (((the narrative))), where is the proof?

Blogger Sillon November 20, 2019 8:17 AM  

@59

The narrative 20 years ago:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/aug/26/iraq.johnhooper

Blogger Newscaper312 November 20, 2019 8:52 AM  

@49 re fusion
Photo at the link he gave makes sure to put two women and a hispanic guy in the most visible positions. Great to see they have the right priorities.

Blogger FUBARwest November 20, 2019 8:58 AM  

Are policy makers stupid, greedy, both? This is the result that always happens historically so why do it?

Blogger tuberman November 20, 2019 9:23 AM  

59. Longtime Lurker

Yes, correct.

Does anyone really think Iran developed these missiles on their own? Iran has some great engineers, but they had help, and it likely came from the Deep State. After all we just had a Muslim Brotherhood member in the WH. The interaction with North Korea and their missile tech, which may well have had some E.Musk stamps on it. Anyway NK was run by more than China until recently, and Iran and NK had strong ties with missile tech until the last couple of years.

And, no, I'm not going to supply proof to this stuff as the info behind it is from years ago. Just showing some possible dots to those who might try to find out for themselves.

And, LL is right, Iran is shaky at home.

Blogger tuberman November 20, 2019 9:30 AM  

64. Sillon

I really don't care if that was Iran's missiles that struck SA. LL's main premise is that Iran is on shaky ground despite effective missiles, which is NOT THE NARRATIVE,in fact, it's the opposite of the Narrative.

Blogger Avalanche November 20, 2019 10:59 AM  

@33 "If Iran was on our border we would be importing them by the millions."

We already did; do you not remember the ... 70's was it? 80's? 70's AND 80's? Late 70's, I was in (Navy) officer candidate school with a bunch of (pretty unpleasant) Iranian jet jockey / future officers. When Iran went to hell right around then; they all got to stay, and bring their families if they could get them out...

Maybe not a million, but an ample over-sufficiency. And I doubt they've been childless, here in the U.S.


@34 Gosh, I sure hope our leaders come up with some way to subvert them quickly.

Relax. Rest assured, our govt has enlisted their very best LGQBTPPPPP... experts, who are working diligently on how to whine the Iranians into obeying!


@55 "Also 4GW."

Also girls and gays... You need GOOD soldiers, capable soldiers... You know: MEN soldiers! OOPSIE!

Blogger Angantyr November 20, 2019 11:13 AM  

"Indeed. Aircraft carrier construction numbers weren't limited by the Washington Naval Treaty, another element in their development between the World Wars."

Not precisely correct. While the numbers of carriers were not restricted, the total tonnage was. This is why USS Wasp (CV-7) was basically a reduced sized, underpowered, unarmored Yorktown Class carrier, that came to a fiery end when struck by sub-launched torpedoes in 1942 (part of probably the most singularly destructive torpedo salvo ever launched, as out of the six, three hit Wasp, one hit and severely damaged and eventually sunk the destroyer USS O'Brien, and one more hit and damaged the battleship USS North Carolina)

Blogger HouellebecqGurl November 20, 2019 12:07 PM  

Must be you, because I don't hate Iranians, at all.
In fact, I'm actively rooting for them in their bid to destroy Israel & SA.
I hope Russia, Iraq, and Syria help them.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl November 20, 2019 12:16 PM  

You don't understand that these multi country mass anti government protests are just color revolutions fomented by the CIA, dude?
There's nothing organic about them.

Blogger HouellebecqGurl November 20, 2019 12:19 PM  

I should add, the fact you gullibly believe the narrative that Iran hit SA 3xs recently, just goes to show you are still someone who ingests MSM and takes it onboard as the gospel.
Gell-Mann effect in action.

Blogger TMLutas November 20, 2019 12:29 PM  

@49 the Lockheed Martin people are starting work on their fifth reactor design since they first applied for a patent in 2013 and admitted they were working on the project in 2014. The PRC's EAST reactor, a more conventional Tokomak design, is more than an order of magnitude larger and they've been trying to get useful scientific data out of the thing since 2006.

Lockheed Martin is beating the conventional fusion world's development timescale and it is mostly because the conventional machines are so big and expensive you can't just order a new one every few years. I'm projecting that the Navy is going to be looking for its new powerplant right about when it deploys their 500-750kw lasers and conventional powerplants just can't cut the mustard anymore.

That should be mid to late next decade.

@66 The marketing department is not looking to give away the store here. They're looking to make pretty pictures that drive recruiting and good feelings for the company. The reactor pictured is highly likely to not be their current work.

Blogger Longtime Lurker November 20, 2019 12:42 PM  

"You don't understand that these multi country mass anti government protests are just color revolutions fomented by the CIA, dude?"

Since when did the CIA ever get its Cold War groove back? Yesterday?

Sometimes local protests are provoked by local grievances and organized by locals.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 20, 2019 12:52 PM  

TMLutas wrote:I'm projecting that the Navy is going to be looking for its new powerplant right about when it deploys their 500-750kw lasers and conventional powerplants just can't cut the mustard anymore.

I'm looking out the window at nine 2MW diesel gensets right now. They aren't very big units, and any one of them could power a pair of 750kW lasers indefinitely. Did you mean 750MW lasers?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 20, 2019 12:52 PM  

HouellebecqGurl wrote:You don't understand that these multi country mass anti government protests are just color revolutions fomented by the CIA, dude?

There's nothing organic about them.


That doesn't mean they aren't a problem for the local government.

Blogger tuberman November 20, 2019 1:47 PM  

HouellebecqGurl wrote:You don't understand that these multi country mass anti government protests are just color revolutions fomented by the CIA, dude?

There's nothing organic about them.


Does most of the CIA work for the current government under Trump. No, they are the Deep State.

The CIA is monolithic now? Naw, at least three divisions last I heard, and a large percent of them are rogue working with the other globalists 3 letter agencies around the world. A big percent are pro-Iran regime. So, the absurd idea that the CIA is behind these protest is just ignorant.

The fact that none of these protests are covered well by the MSM put the lie to your viewpoint even stronger.

This isn't HK, where the MSM covers, so fake. No protests are completely organic, but Iran's come close.

Blogger tuberman November 20, 2019 1:58 PM  

It's simple this Iran's regime is globalist, or at least propped up by globalists around the world, including the EU and most of the three letter agencies. Tons of money was sent by BHO's people and the EU. To be on their side is to side with BHO, the EU, and the Globalists.



Blogger xevious2030 November 20, 2019 5:19 PM  

Expect McConnell to turn, he reeks of Deep State actor.

Iran has been a part of things for quite a while, and the Obama outreach was not mere diplomacy. That's his pressure point.

Blogger Daniel November 20, 2019 5:26 PM  

Why on earth would iran attack europe, or the other way around?

Blogger Daniel November 20, 2019 5:32 PM  

Remember tje french never gave us argentinians activations codes.
The assholes betrayed us. There was some success with hacked exocets but limited. Imagine 100%

Blogger Newscaper312 November 20, 2019 5:32 PM  

@75 re PR photos -- I rmeember a few yeas ago when my son was in HS him derisively mocking some PR crap from the school about their wonderful STEM accomplishments -- had a photo of a student (a grrl of course!) pretending to solder a circuit board. She was holding it like a pen, with her finger on the metal shroud over the heating element. DOH!
Raised him right.

Blogger Newscaper312 November 20, 2019 5:36 PM  

@81 Drudge "panties in a bunch" Report already has Ken Starr planting that seed, of GOP Senators urging Trump to resign.

Blogger Crew November 20, 2019 5:38 PM  

This may be from the same source:

http://www.airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2019/November%202019/DIA-Clock-is-Ticking-on-Iran-Gaining-More-Military-Power-When-Embargo-Expires.aspx

Blogger Longtime Lurker November 20, 2019 5:42 PM  

Impeachment is a clown show. Republican senators are not going to commit political suicide because Adam Schiff.

Blogger xevious2030 November 20, 2019 6:03 PM  

@85 McConnel reeked years before, related to the 2016 primary confirmation.

@87 Not Schiff, it's a bigger and longer picture than that. Senators are the hired help.

Blogger Paul M November 21, 2019 4:40 AM  

"Lacking a modern air force, Iran has embraced ballistic missiles "

The opposite of correct. Aeroplanes with human pilots are outmoded - last century's technology. Iran, it seems, has correctly noted that it's far more efficient to spend a billion bucks on some missiles and a console or two to fly them than on half an aircraft.

Blogger flyingtiger November 21, 2019 9:46 AM  

Iran took over our embassy and held our diplomats captive. Iran did this to curry favor with their Soviet masters. This violated international law. This is usually enough reason to go to war against someone. I seem to be the only person to remember this.
Obama could have resolved this isuue and actually won a deserved Nobel Peace prize. Instead he decided to enrich the corrupt Iranian leaders beyond their wildest dreams.

Blogger Polemicist November 22, 2019 8:36 AM  

@90 Unruly student activists occupied the US embassy. Instead of telling them "You've had your fun - now get back to studying", the Iranian government of the time foolishly endorsed the action and prolonged the occupation. Many Americans are still aggrieved over this.

Interestingly, Mahmoud Ahmedinajad (later President of Iran) was a 'student leader' at the time, but (being a strong anti-communist) he wanted to occupy the Soviet embassy. There are bigger pictures, of course, but sometimes spur of the moment decisions by small groups of people really do affect the course of history.

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