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Sunday, November 10, 2019

The complete failure of science

It's a good thing everyone ignored Richard Dawkins when he urged the replacement of eyewitness testimony with that infallible metric of truth, SCIENCE! Can you imagine the miscarriages of justice that would have taken place if science had been installed as the basis for our legal system back when Dawkins was calling for it?
We tend to think of science as a dispassionate (impartial, neutral) search for truth and certainty. But is it possible that we are facing a situation in which there is a massive production of wrong information or distortion of information? Is it possible that certain scientific disciplines are facing a crisis of credibility? Mounting evidence suggests this is indeed the case....

In 2011, researchers at Bayer decided to test 67 recent drug discoveries on preclinical cancer biology research. In more than 75 percent of cases, the published data did not match their attempts to replicate them.8 In 2012, a study published in Nature announced that only 11 percent of the sampled preclinical cancer studies coming out of the academic pipeline were replicable.9

In the prestigious Science journal, in 2015, the Open Science Collaboration10 presented a study of 100 psychological research studies that 270 contributing authors tried to replicate. An astonishing 65 percent failed to show any statistical significance on replication, and many of the remainder showed greatly reduced effect sizes. In plain terms, evidence for original findings is weak.

A discovery in physics, the hardest of all hard sciences, is usually thought of as the most reliable in the world of science. However, two of the most vaunted physics results of the past few years—“cosmic inflation and gravitational waves at the BICEP2 experiment in Antarctica, and the supposed discovery of superluminal neutrinos at the Swiss-Italian border—have now been retracted, with far less fanfare than when they were first published.”
This link is from 2016. The situation has since only gotten observably worse.

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73 Comments:

Blogger P Glenrothes November 10, 2019 11:20 AM  

Corrupted science isn't science.

Blogger MichaelJMaier November 10, 2019 11:21 AM  

Well, as a dude on Death Row is finding out, science is also useless if no one looks at it.

How much of this is a side effect of the "low-hanging" science is already "engineering" and that "deeper" science is simply too complex to account for all variables involved?

Blogger David Ray Milton November 10, 2019 11:23 AM  

The dam is breaking. Science as a false god is being seen for the idol it is. The fields will be ripe for harvest.

Blogger MichaelJMaier November 10, 2019 11:24 AM  

Especially involving biological chemistry, how much of the variables are in the"terroir" of the subjects, introducing very specific chemical "tastes" for which researchers cannot even begin to account?

Blogger Joe Smith November 10, 2019 11:28 AM  

The cancer stuff is obviously crazy, and I agree BICEP2 was bad, but no physicist believed superluminal neutrinos. That might have had play outside the physics community, I'm not sure, but from the inside it was a dud right from the get go. Science is definitely a false god, though.

Blogger Archimedes2017 November 10, 2019 11:42 AM  

One thing that always irks me is how Scientism always invokes the "Laws" of thermodynamics and entropy. As if we live in a clockwork universe and everything decays or breaks down. Interestingly the steam engine came before the "Laws" of thermodynamics.

Blogger Johnny November 10, 2019 11:49 AM  

Science has become corrupt. That is all. And institutionally it is badly set up. It runs on the fiction that every last college professor is pushing the envelope in research. And when there are thousands of them in a given area, it just doesn't happen. Not hardly. That is why there is so much fake science. Plus churning. You come up with a new theory because you need something new, and ten years later it gets quietly dropped when the newer new theory appears. The professor class has to come up with something to justify their salaries and status. And so they do.

And the social sciences have always had a political slant. And that that has gotten bigger with our modern SJW stuff.

Blogger Barbarossa November 10, 2019 11:50 AM  

The town I live near has had a large number of biotech startups set up shop over the past five years, almost all geared towards cancer cures. Let's state the obvious here: A lot of this "science" is people trying to get venture capital with the dream of a massive IPO. It's the modern version of selling indulgences. "As soon as the FDA approval rings; the investment banker to consortium springs."

Blogger Doug Cranmer November 10, 2019 11:58 AM  

"A lot of this "science" is people trying to get venture capital with the dream of a massive IPO."

Machine learning is the same. It's not that there is not interesting work done and some practical applications, but the field is filled with grifters and carpetbaggers who know how to code and want to get rich. The results speak for themselves.

Blogger J Van Stry November 10, 2019 12:07 PM  

Remember cold fusion?

Blogger Karen took the Kids November 10, 2019 12:25 PM  

It's hilarious how much those in the "science community" like to talk about their infallible peer reviewed studies too, considering they have time and again shown to be circle jerks for smart boys.

Blogger Unknown November 10, 2019 12:25 PM  

On the difficulties of proving a scientific hypothesis -- much less using it as evidence in court -- Andrew Marino's book 'Going Somewhere, Truth About a Life in Science' is highly instructive. And readable.

Blogger P Glenrothes November 10, 2019 12:26 PM  

Creationists need not be threatened by science. Scientists need not be threatened by creationism. It's not one or the other. Every time scientific discovery attempts to replace the God of the gaps with a new scientific discovery, a new gap is discovered as well. There will always be a gap.

Blogger Brett baker November 10, 2019 12:40 PM  

Try telling that to the spergs. Good luck.

Blogger Angantyr November 10, 2019 12:45 PM  

J Van Stry wrote:Remember cold fusion?

Didn't Keanu Reeves invent cold fusion?

Blogger lions paw November 10, 2019 12:47 PM  

Want the scientific method (replicable .. known rate of error .. predictive) to be more meaningful ?

Resurrect the interest in science that fails to demonstrate the hypothesis and you just might resurrect an interest in scientific integrity again.

Blogger pyrrhus November 10, 2019 12:56 PM  

As usual, with fraud comes thuggery...The particle physicist who writes the Back Reaction blog reports that she has received death threats for opposing a new supercollider...

Blogger Esmar Tuek November 10, 2019 1:05 PM  

Organic chemistry is hard, I found it much harder than quantum physics. The double slit experiment is fascinating, after that you can just write a fantasy novel in mathematics, assume some stuff, then the maths can take you anywhere. It's escapism, just like fantasy novels are.

Blogger Ingemar November 10, 2019 1:09 PM  

It's hilarious how much those in the "science community" like to talk about their infallible peer reviewed studies too, considering they have time and again shown to be circle jerks for smart boys.

It's increasingly becoming a circle jerk for South Asians and Han, those paragons of honesty. The education racket is for them what the coyote racket is for Latin Americans.

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums November 10, 2019 1:16 PM  

"Eye witness testimony is unreliable as revealed by scientific studies and should be replaced with science." - Scientistician

Blogger justaguy November 10, 2019 1:22 PM  

#18: by organic chemistry-- do you chemical engineering?

Blogger sammibandit November 10, 2019 1:24 PM  

Some iteration of the problem with science being its corruption.

I don't know about that. The author makes a convincing case for the problem with science being science itself.

Tancredi’s account of morality may have two unintended consequences. On the one hand, it may lead Christians to think anew the Bible's teaching, the causes of wrongdoing, the place of praise, blame, responsibility in their moral practices, and the treatment of wrongdoers. On the other hand, if morality “begins in the brain,” then it may lead researchers, who falsify and suppress negative evidence in order to deceive others, to think that they have brain problems [the thalidomide scandal comes to mind; maybe gender reassignment surgery will as well someday]. And if that is science, then it is ludicrous, to say the least.

Blogger Nathan Hornok November 10, 2019 1:31 PM  

We need to come up with some good rhetoric to spread this realization that science is failing and that it's finding are no better than a 50/50 coin toss. We should start referring to a "coin toss" as a "science paper" or vice-versa. When asking for a scientific citation, say something like "Do you have a coin toss to back that up?"
Or maybe start referring to research companies and Universities as #sciencecasinos.

I know my rhetoric is not great. I hope some of the more creative among us can do better. Just as trust in journalism and the media is corroding, the goal is to see the same corrosion of trust in Professors and Academia. Then our society might start to get out from under these deceptions and false gods that have darkened and damaged our modern world.

Blogger Johnny November 10, 2019 1:32 PM  

When science first got started in Europe, it consisted of a small number of dedicated people working on various issue. The literature at the time consisted primarily of letters they sent to each other explaining their progress or observations.

On an institutionally structured basis, our modern science hasn't changed all that much. Now the letters are substituted by journals, and being accredited in science often means you got published. It is often the key to getting tenure in a university.

In my brief observation at the edge of the system, I came to believe that most of the papers are of no consequence. Most of it is just a kind of goldbricking, a way of maintaining employment in the field. That is why the garbage stuff doesn't get much attention. True or false, all the same, it doesn't much matter. It is not so much science as the froth of science sitting on top of it.

Blogger justaguy November 10, 2019 1:34 PM  

While I agree that science in academia has been thoroughly corrupted by the competition for grants, tenure and status, I think/hope that science tied to industry and engineering is still going forward. We still get new drugs, although there is tremendous issues with FDA testing—new drugs are forthcoming. Material Science seems to be advancing as does laser and optical physics. In other words-- things tied to engineering applications or where replicable advances are expected and tested—science still works. The line between chemistry and chemical engineering is getting harder and harder to see—but advancements continue. The only real disappointment is that physics has stagnated since the 1970s, merged into engineering.

The cesspool that is today’s modern university—of course nothing works there. The political forces destroyed the science departments in the 1970s over ABM, in the 1980s over SDI, etc. etc. People seeking tenure in a science department have to believe in so many things before they are acceptable—how can they be scientists? The time of the pot-smoking zen-seeking Berkley physicists exploring quantum physics and the double-slit experiments are long gone. Not even the engineering departments are reliable anymore.

Blogger jkmack November 10, 2019 1:35 PM  

The problem is, as many posters have stated, is that science is corrupt. The corruption is because science became so successful, that they thought they could step up the hierarchy and be higher than god. God is Logos, God is truth, you cannot get higher up the hierarchy than that, and if you try, your wings melt and you crash back to earth in a fatal fall.

If man is willing to corrupt Christianity to serve their own ends thru state sponsored protestant offshoots, why would someone think that man will not corrupt science to serve the state. It is utter madness to ignore this reality.

Blogger Scott November 10, 2019 1:58 PM  

An infinite number of universes an an infinite amount of time still isn't enough to make evolution work.

Blogger Dr Caveman November 10, 2019 2:09 PM  

Science has changed a lot, where scientists have to hustle for grants and in order to do that they need sexy publications in high impact journals. Thas added a lot of noise, but that doesn't mean there isn't a signal in the noose either.

I think these replication studies are great because they demonstrate that more rigorous studies are needed (ie pre-registering experiments, publishing negative data, more incentives for replication etc).

There are also increasingly sophisticated tools that weed out photoshopped data and figures in papers.

Science is an imperfect process that meanders along in a three steps forward, two steps back kind of way

Blogger Doktor Jeep November 10, 2019 2:10 PM  

Sometimes I think all technology runs on magic and the real delusion is all of that science that tells us it's not magic.

Blogger Matt November 10, 2019 2:17 PM  

I'm a former scientist, now engineer. In my experience the problem isn't science as such, it's the cesspool of academia. Once science gets out of academia to the "you can reliably build something out of it" stage, it's generally fine.

Blogger Ska_Boss November 10, 2019 3:07 PM  

Funny thing about science, it tends to favor wherever the funding is coming from. That isn't to say that the scientific method is flawed. Nor does science have to be mutually exclusive with religious beliefs. The politics and the narrative pushing simply needs to be removed from the equation.

Blogger Logan November 10, 2019 3:25 PM  

Matt wrote:I'm a former scientist, now engineer. In my experience the problem isn't science as such, it's the cesspool of academia. Once science gets out of academia to the "you can reliably build something out of it" stage, it's generally fine.

"Science" has been damaged by academia and pharmaceutical corporations. Only studies that are deemed interesting by Universities receive funding. There are people paid to find new ways to achieve statistical significance; the difference between losing hundreds of millions and making billions is a decimal point. When you set the bar at a few inches no one is going to jump over it

Blogger Steve Canyon November 10, 2019 3:53 PM  

Science motivated by the desire to mock God never ends well.

Blogger Dave Dave November 10, 2019 4:09 PM  

Research is not done for fun. Academics have to keep doing research to keep their jobs. They often put out a very shitty and lazy study that is restating the last thing they wrote with different wording. At RMIT, a professor had something close to 30 studies revoked after it was found he reused research. The two concerns are that it's a heck of a lot of bad research, and that it took them that long to recognise "Kuzco's poison. The poison for Kuzco. The poison made specifically to kill Kuzco. Kuzco's poison."

Blogger Didas Kalos November 10, 2019 4:25 PM  

The issue with the scientific coin-toss concerning evolution is that the coin-toss cannot have God be real. Therefore, they have a presupposition and all of their coin-tosses must fit that presupposition. Also, exactly like the media denounces any form of Christianity and now any Trump supporter, so the establishment scientific community denounces any science outside of their presupposition. GOD DID NOT CREATE THE WORLD, BECAUSE HE DOES NOT EXIST, AND EVOLUTIONISM IS TRUE EVEN IF WE MUST FAKE RESULTS TO PROVE IT.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( 9 of 10 Geneticists agree that Ann Coulter is my sister from another Mister. don't deny the IFLScience! ) November 10, 2019 4:27 PM  

i look about and all i see are Unbelievers.

Blogger Jim the Curmudgeon November 10, 2019 4:27 PM  

Ran across this article on a lady who detects fraud in microbiology by analysing images: https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/eye-for-manipulation--a-profile-of-elisabeth-bik-65839

She finds images that have been manipulated with photoshop. For instance, someone will cut and paste a band on a western blot to make the results look more significant.

Tons and tons of papers, far more than she could ever look at. Thousands of fraudulent works that have been published.

Blogger Jim the Curmudgeon November 10, 2019 4:30 PM  

I have to say, as someone who has taught university recently, that North Americans are pretty naive. There are studies out there showing that Asians are 9x more likely to cheat. From personal experience, you can't teach a class in STEM without encountering massive cheating from Asians.

Yet we are supposed to believe that these people who are statistically likely to cheat their way through undergrad and grad school are magically going to transform into paragons of virtue when they actually become scientists.

Given that 80% of STEM PhD students in the USA are foreign, and of those 80% are Asian, you are looking at a very very large pool of people with a propensity to engage in misconduct. A lifelong pattern does not suddenly stop when are handed a PhD.

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei November 10, 2019 4:58 PM  

SCIENCE!, like communism, libertarianism, and a big ol' buttload of other isms and schisms, are the means whereby the gamma-infused believe they can be freed of the hateful limitations of their incarnate form and become superhuman. When that dream is dashed, as it always is, they react like toddlers have potentially murderous tantrums.

Blogger glueballs November 10, 2019 5:00 PM  

@38 Jim the Curmudgeon

Cheating is as much Chinese culture as communal meals. I have been approached twice by Chinese companies, possibly they were arms of the same octopus, to render professional services in which I was supposed to help defend against allegations they cheat.

By cheating I mean they train and pay Chinese students to submit transcripts, if required, and memorize a single enumerated question on a standardized test administration. Thereafter the same day each testee reproduces the test question verbatim. These folks hold zero interest in entering the academic field for which they test, their well-compensated role is to serve as human photocopier.

En masse this process, with a bit of filtration, captures standardized tests over time with high degree of reliability. Asian and other parents in the know then pay the companies buku dollah to cram favored offspring along with strategies to succeed on the new or revised questions since equipped test-takers will have ample time to think-through.

This shite has gone on for, well now, at least a dozen years. If your family has money you know already. It's an open secret to everybody involved, and I chose not to involve myself. I'm one of the very few who made that choice. This is a gynormous industry, qualifying foreign students for this and that participation in our society to skim their money.

Blogger Pathfinderlight November 10, 2019 5:13 PM  

You would think that science worshipers would demand all published scientific experiments be repeated and independently verified. Universities have an endless supply of undergrads to supply free labor that can be used this purpose. For my own undergrad, I asked to be allowed to do this (for class credit) but was denied. The whole mindset of faculty is that experimentation is only for ideas that are not "well understood". This is code for pushing students to experiments that will get the school in the papers. Science suffers when just a few experiments' results are presented as fact.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf November 10, 2019 5:17 PM  

Quite a bit of the fake science (see: Australian of the Year, 2017) is a scam of public funds from public Universities. In my experence, a so-called "Professor" of Science would happily waste $500 million in public funds to get a promotion that pays an extra $25K. What do they care? Sell more bonds to China and call it a day.

Blogger JovianStorm November 10, 2019 5:54 PM  

Science is fine and exploring the unknown is a way to see the Hand of God in the natural world.

Humans, just like with religion, took a good thing and messed it up so badly that Neo-Luddites now have all the ammo they need to argue for a return to 16th century tech while the Left does its best to get rid of that bothersome electricity.

As a professional scientist, I lament the state of my career field.

Blogger Hieroglyph November 10, 2019 6:09 PM  

I read once that in Ancient Rome they had the capability to create steam engines, and thus could have begun the industrial age. Slave owners didn't like, technology suppressed.

I strongly suspect that any actual research is immediately stolen, and given to trustworthy insiders (and Big Pharma of course closes down the initial project). In this way, such research is utilized for the benefit of those who 'deserve' it the most: Satanist pedo oligarchs of course!

I could be wrong, it's mere speculation. But in the US, bridges are in disrepair, like the last days of the Foundation Empire. Suppression of tech isn't a huge stretch.

Blogger Guy Incognito November 10, 2019 6:27 PM  

Perhaps a new novel is in order. Instead of algo decay, we have integi decay.

Blogger Unknownsailor November 10, 2019 6:31 PM  

glueballs wrote:@38 Jim the Curmudgeon

Cheating is as much Chinese culture as communal meals. I have been approached twice by Chinese companies, possibly they were arms of the same octopus, to render professional services in which I was supposed to help defend against allegations they cheat.

By cheating I mean they train and pay Chinese students to submit transcripts, if required, and memorize a single enumerated question on a standardized test administration. Thereafter the same day each testee reproduces the test question verbatim. These folks hold zero interest in entering the academic field for which they test, their well-compensated role is to serve as human photocopier.

En masse this process, with a bit of filtration, captures standardized tests over time with high degree of reliability. Asian and other parents in the know then pay the companies buku dollah to cram favored offspring along with strategies to succeed on the new or revised questions since equipped test-takers will have ample time to think-through.

This shite has gone on for, well now, at least a dozen years. If your family has money you know already. It's an open secret to everybody involved, and I chose not to involve myself. I'm one of the very few who made that choice. This is a gynormous industry, qualifying foreign students for this and that participation in our society to skim their money.

I strongly suspect cheating on tests in China has been going on for hundreds of years, if not longer. Taking exams and using the accolades garnered from doing so has been a central tenet of Chinese society for thousands of years. The only difference now, compared to 1019, is that the tests are not about Confucianism.

Passing exams is how you got into government bureaucracy back then, and once you did, the corruption surrounding same is how you got rich.

Blogger Crush Limbraw November 10, 2019 6:31 PM  

Theories without replication is similar to faith without works.
Eventually it just becmes a scam!

Blogger Peter B November 10, 2019 7:18 PM  

Two comments:

First, the whole enterprise (of science) only works to the extent that it is—justifiably—a high trust community. When the underlying moral principles are abandoned and suppressio veri and/or expressio falsi become more common, it's over. There's probably a mathematical way to express the critical percentage of unreliable papers beyond which it's worse to rely on the literature than to doubt it.

Infogalactic on high trust and low trust societies:

"Mechanisms and institutions that are corrupted, dysfunctional, or absent in low-trust societies include respect for private property rights, a trusted civil court system, democratic voting and acceptance of electoral outcomes, and voluntary tax payment. Research has identified a correlation between individualism with high-trust societies, and collectivism with low-trust cultures.

"High-trust societies display a high degree of mutual trust not imposed by outside 'contractual, legal or hierarchical regulation', but instead are based upon "prior moral consensus."

That moral consensus is eroding rapidly in science.

Back in the dark ages, I was on a medicine related Compuserve forum. "Selective" serotonin reuptake inhibitors were just being introduced, so it would have been 1986 or 1987. One participant was an academic psychiatrist. He described problems with the research (as in hiding studies with no significant effect detected or hiding adverse drug effects.) He said that he could say these things because he was at the end of his career and it wouldn't hurt him much but otherwise it would be a career killer.

It's been going on a long time.

Blogger RedJack November 10, 2019 7:25 PM  

@Peter

It has been going on forever. I mean forever. Since Eve thought "HMM, a bit of knowledge would be nice!"

Worked in several industries as an engineer since the late 90's. Every one, and I mean every single one, had processes and products that were KNOWN to be non functional. But since the elder class loved it we had to follow suit. Or the regulators thought it was true, or the customer wouldn't know any different.

Heck those in the south that like grits, just buy the cheap particle size. Fine, medium, whatever is ALL THE SAME PARTICLE SIZE.

Having spent so long in actual engineering, I do not trust any experts.

Blogger RedJack November 10, 2019 7:31 PM  

Hieroglyph wrote:I read once that in Ancient Rome they had the capability to create steam engines, and thus could have begun the industrial age. Slave owners didn't like, technology suppressed.

I strongly suspect that any actual research is immediately stolen, and given to trustworthy insiders (and Big Pharma of course closes down the initial project). In this way, such research is utilized for the benefit of those who 'deserve' it the most: Satanist pedo oligarchs of course!

I could be wrong, it's mere speculation. But in the US, bridges are in disrepair, like the last days of the Foundation Empire. Suppression of tech isn't a huge stretch.


Someone here once talked about what we "used" to be able to do. Things like build a fake city for a worlds fair.

What was found is that if you build a product that is long lasting, the money train is less than if you have one fail on a schedule. There are tractors from the 30's still working in my area (granted, mainly by hobbyists). The tractors made today will never be that old. The software will be unsupported for starters.

For that matter, I have my grandfather's tools. A friend has a broom making table made in the 1800's. Nothing that long lasting can be built today.

The old light bulb conspiracy theory maybe bunk, but the feeling behind it is not.

Blogger Johnny November 10, 2019 8:12 PM  

>>I read once that in Ancient Rome they had the capability to create steam engines, and thus could have begun the industrial age. Slave owners didn't like, technology suppressed.

The first non human, non animal power to be developed was water and wind. That would be the water wheel, sailboat, and the windmill. In a pre-industrial society, all are easier to build than a steam engine, and all came before steam power. Low cost labor probably did delay some development, in particular sailboats. Of all things in some places there were professional rowers, and there was always slave labor.

Blogger John Rockwell November 10, 2019 8:18 PM  

@jkmack

"State sponsored protestant offshoots"

Offtopic.

Blogger Johnny November 10, 2019 8:21 PM  

Something I wonder about with China is whether or not the cheating is common thought out the society, or mainly with the people at the top, the wealthy ones we end up dealing with.

Blogger tublecane November 10, 2019 9:20 PM  

Eye witness testimony is indeed unreliable, but there are readily-available and well-tested ways to counterbalance it. Science, and especially the soft and pseudosciences, have been corrupting law for a long time. Brown v Board of education, for instance. As well as countless references to old pervs like Freud and Kinsey.

Blogger MEGAMUS Maximus November 10, 2019 9:40 PM  

But that is the logical conclusion of claiming that one can use science to explain everything. It must inevitably be corrupted in order to handle things outside of its scope.

Blogger All Day Coffee break November 10, 2019 10:03 PM  

I remember watching a movie one where they figured out cold fusion. And as an f you to the evil capitalist corporation, they posted it to "the internet". Then good guys won and the credits rolled.

Blogger Jim November 10, 2019 10:07 PM  

Hieroglyph wrote:I read once that in Ancient Rome they had the capability to create steam engines, and thus could have begun the industrial age.

They didn't. They could make steam powered toys, but they lacked the metallurgy to work with high pressures that real steam engines require.

Blogger Emmanuel November 10, 2019 10:17 PM  

No it isnt, because Christ didn't come to codemn the world. Funny thing about the law if it could save like you and so many sons of perdition here seem to think it does: it only could save it from day 1, as in from cradle to the grave. There is no grace period, which is fitting for a man who rejects grace as being sufficient for salvation, and you follow the letter of the law TO the letter, no matter how big or small. Tell, when was the last time you ever followed the law totally since you came to be?

Blogger Johnny November 10, 2019 10:59 PM  

Come to think of it, the Greeks did have a steam powered device way back when. They are not sure how it worked, but it was a pressure cooker, boiler sort of thing that used steam pressure to squirt nasty juice at their enemies. Effectively it was a high tech weapon of the era. Either it didn't work that good or they kept it secret, because the Romans never picked up on it. And not exactly the beginning of an industrial revolution.

Blogger James November 11, 2019 12:24 AM  

NASA Groupies and I Love Science Gamma male heads will explode when they finally come to the realization that gas pressure cannot exist next to the vacuum of space. The gas will expand into the availible volume. You can have your Cavendish/Newtonian gravity of mass attracting mass which was superceded by Einstein's " thought experiment" bending of space time but you cannot defy a Law of Nature. The gas will expand in all directions and fill the available space. We have all been lied to about the nature of our world, they are hiding The Creator.

Blogger spinoza November 11, 2019 12:24 AM  

Real science would prove the most efficient carbon based economic solution for the scientists’ carbon based climate dilemma would be to allow Americans to homestead and claim public lands and national parks. Do they not understand efficiency? Do they just see the problems and profit their short term mindset produces?
I’m starting to see the rhetorical advantages of leftists seeing the fake climate change lies the media promotes as much as possible.
Because scientists will still be held accountable to the truth and efficiency of life, as they were the first to put it in these terms and stakes, I can use it as a way to easily subvert the philosophy of the base of political support for conservation of the environment, and prove that the American imperialists are the biggest hypocrites of their tenets because they as well, disseminate them for other aims.

Blogger Dark glasses Woody November 11, 2019 12:56 AM  

When it began it was like a super power; conjectures could be refuted before we wasted too much time and inventions sprouted from the fertile ground of optimism. Many lifetimes later though the questions we found ourselves asking were all corralled by the inertia of the ideas already established. Palaces existed throughout the empire with the specific purpose of teaching the history of answers. So it came to pass that we could no longer imagine what different questions we might originally have asked and the optimism began to fade.

Blogger Troushers November 11, 2019 1:01 AM  

I was going to write a similar point - that, without Christianity's moral underpinning, the science of the West crosses a crucial threshold.

Frauds are much more common from people from certain countries. They practice Cargo Cult science, which copies the forms but not the substance.

Blogger spinoza November 11, 2019 1:28 AM  

Conservation of the environment is the only thing causing increasing world carbon levels. If the scientific imperialists say we need to live like the rest of the world then they should let us, and stop forcing people to live in cities with antinational governments. When the inevitable economic crisis hits, responsable citizens should encourage the US government should let Americans homestead and claim the land as their property after a reasonable period of time, as a solution. Where do they think economic value comes from? Human action, the thesis of all undeserved scientific banality. See you in the 2030 reservations.

Blogger nswhorse November 11, 2019 2:24 AM  

I recall those two physics discoveries at the end of the excerpt. I do not recall either of them being retracted.

Blogger Rabid Ratel November 11, 2019 3:26 AM  

Troushers wrote:They practice Cargo Cult science, which copies the forms but not the substance.

Not just in science. Even in engineering - see all the collapsing bridges and buildings.

Oh, sorry, they are collapsing due to Climate Change!

Blogger The Lab Manager November 11, 2019 7:42 AM  

The Romans probably could have an industrial revolution with the right cultural attitude. European science progressed from really wealthy guys with some money to spend, curiosity, and some time on their hands at their country estates.

Blogger Brian Dean November 11, 2019 7:56 AM  

"In 2011, researchers at Bayer decided to test 67 recent drug discoveries on preclinical cancer biology research..."

Ok, follow the money. If such research is indeed unreliable, I'm sure that Bayer will conclude that research and testing is a waste of money and will therefore do away with those departments. If however, they are spending money on research and testing, they must think that doing so still saves them money.

Hmm, I wonder what Bayer is doing after discovering this?

Also, it was scientists that determined this. It wasn't revealed to them by the Bible.

Blogger Brian Dean November 11, 2019 8:25 AM  

By the way, you guys can read the original Bayer study here. I doubt that Vox Day will take his own advice that he gives to gammas, which is "stop lying"

https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd3439-c1

Blogger RobertDWood November 11, 2019 10:32 AM  

No true Scotsman, indeed.

Blogger Uindo November 11, 2019 12:23 PM  

''Ok, follow the money. If such research is indeed unreliable, I'm sure that Bayer will conclude that research and testing is a waste of money and will therefore do away with those departments.''

Why? 'follow the money' in this case means the intention is to funnel money towards whoever runs the research. Just for starters it's notoriously hard to get new stuff approved though the FDA unless you have someone there in your pocket.

For a different industry example the trillions of dollars that go into the failure F35 jet is working as intended. The money is going into the pockets of well connected industry individuals. Do not confuse yourself by trying to warp a group's stated intentions into what they do. 'follow the money' is supposed to unbias you from what they say on the face. Simply, Bayer may say they want great replicable results but they are in reality happy with giving money to well connected institutions and individuals.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 11, 2019 12:30 PM  

"If however, they are spending money on research and testing, they must think that doing so still saves them money."

Or they think they can sell it regardless its utility, or they're receiving grant money for the research, or... ...Or they're phenomenal of the fake money supply, whose wielders bought out pretty much the entire medical service industry during WW1 or earlier, then moved the focus of it into pharmaceuticals since they already controlled most of the chemical industry.

Following the money only works so long as you're observing people who don't freely manipulate it.

Blogger The Sasquatch November 12, 2019 12:29 PM  

@13 When you get to the root of things, God is the best explanation for the gaps as well as non-gaps.

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