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Sunday, January 26, 2020

Atheism is genetic

Or is, at the very least, a developmental disorder linked to genetic causes:
The largest genetic sequencing study of autism spectrum disorder (ASD) ever conducted has found 102 genes associated with autism, a major step towards an eventual cure, which may involve genetic manipulation. Most of these 102 genes were expressed in the brain, and affect synapses or regulate other genes. This means they have important roles in switching other genes on and off.

Furthermore, 49 of these genes are also linked to other developmental disorders, underlining the fact that the neurobiology of many such conditions are likely to overlap.
I first postulated my hypothesis concerning a link between the autism spectrum and atheism back in  2007 in response to a post by PZ Myers at Pharyngula in which he and other atheists were bragging about their relatively high Asperger's Quotient scores. I wrote: "Obviously, more comprehensive and scientific tests would be advised before any definite conclusion can be reached, but these initial observations do appear to indicate a possibility that atheism could be nothing more than a minor mental disorder."

Since then, at least two scientific studies that were directly inspired by my hypothesis have found that there is a statistical correlation between atheism and the autism spectrum.

This new study indicates - it does not yet prove, but it indicates - that scientists will eventually be able to find a link between those 102 genes and atheism, which suggests that it is atheism, not religion, that will one day be cured by science. One should note that this genetic link also explains why atheism has never propagated very successfully from one generation to the next, as atheists tend to be very unfit in the evolutionary sense of natural and sexual selection.

So, don't be bothered by your shower-averse, science-loving, fedora-sporting acquaintance who insists on quoting Richard Dawkins at everyone apropos of nothing. Just assure him that he does well to trust in science, as one day science will cure his genetic developmental disorder.

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82 Comments:

Blogger Meanoldbasterd January 26, 2020 5:56 AM  

I lol'ed

Blogger Gregory the Tall January 26, 2020 5:59 AM  

Dawkins was one of the first to call out the atheism gene. He called it the selfish gene.

Blogger Brett baker January 26, 2020 6:06 AM  

"You're going to burn us at the stake like they did Galileo!" in 3...2...

Blogger boogeyman January 26, 2020 6:10 AM  

Or someone may decide to increase the number of atheists in the world by creating an autism causing virus. Someone sneezes on you, your genetic code gets rewritten, and POOF!, you become a smug asshole with poor social skills and an over-riding desire to remind everyone there is no "sky daddy".

I wouldn't put it past some people. Maybe the kung-fu flu is a blessing in disguise.

Blogger God Emperor Memes January 26, 2020 6:18 AM  

So Leftist Boomers act that way because they're autists? I mean, along with being narcissists.

Blogger Lazarus January 26, 2020 6:22 AM  

Here is a thought. The US has the highest rate of autism in the world. It also has the most aggressive infant vaccination policy. Could this mean that the genetic markers in fact point to those who are most susceptable to vaccine reaction?

Anonymous Anonymous January 26, 2020 6:27 AM  

Just cut off their heads and count the rings.

Blogger Sargent.matrim January 26, 2020 6:27 AM  

Fascinating. Once again your predictions have born fruit.

I have often wondered in the past if Calvinism is God's way of reaching autists.

I have noticed a correlation between Calvinism and this order generally.

And a similar way of thinking among autists and atheists.

It's just a thought.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 26, 2020 6:27 AM  

"and POOF!, you become a smug asshole with poor social skills and an over-riding desire to remind everyone there is no "sky daddy"."

Fortunately immunity to it would be heavily selected for.

Blogger YehudaL January 26, 2020 6:28 AM  

Should this post not also qualify for an AWCA label? Or does it need to be more personally focused for that?

Blogger Unknown January 26, 2020 6:30 AM  

Then from the Calvinist perspective there is an election to damnation.

Blogger Silent Draco January 26, 2020 6:32 AM  

There will be epic emoting and breakup angst by the IFLS crowd. Science hates them.

Blogger Shimshon January 26, 2020 6:32 AM  

Do we want to cure it? Is that really the best we can do? PZ Myers and his ilk are only unpleasant because they have not been weaponized. Why cure what we can take advantage of?

Blogger wreckage January 26, 2020 6:33 AM  

On behalf of all the showering, grooming, married and non-atheist autists, I request that I, and we, not be held in any way responsible for these retards.

Blogger Silent Draco January 26, 2020 6:38 AM  

Learn to codon.


Caffeine kicked in late, delaying the obvious phrase. Apologies for second post.

Blogger Sargent.matrim January 26, 2020 6:39 AM  

Brilliant.

Blogger Sam Spade January 26, 2020 6:42 AM  

That's a rough genetic curse.

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums January 26, 2020 7:07 AM  

Mandatory:
http://i.imgur.com/iAKFp7O.jpg

Blogger Lazarus January 26, 2020 7:12 AM  

As Vox has pointed out before, a lot of people enter an atheist stage when they are young. Maybe its the geneticts that keeps you stuck there.

Blogger McChuck January 26, 2020 7:13 AM  

Wait, wait, wait...
Science just proved that cognitive abilities are heritable?
Unpossible!
We all know that mental faculties are purely a product of socio-economic status. It couldn't be the exact opposite of that! /s

Blogger McChuck January 26, 2020 7:16 AM  

@6 Lazarus - The US has the highest rate of everything in the world. This is caused by having too many psychiatrists and psychologists, most of whom have a tenuous grasp on reality and ethics.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 26, 2020 7:37 AM  

I want to feed those clueless white autist village atheist types to the POCs they politically align with, that would be fun to watch. I say that because the D-party and Left in general are comprised of cults rigidly segregated so as to not conflict and separate.

What I noticed about that article was it mentioned gene editing as the future, so what will the Vaccinate or Die crowd say to that?

Blogger tweell January 26, 2020 7:39 AM  

+1

Blogger Fargoth January 26, 2020 7:39 AM  

I wonder how many of these altered protein forms in genes identified are more suceptible to autoimmune interference.

Blogger BearXIII January 26, 2020 7:40 AM  

From a naturopathic perspective autism is caused by a nutrient deficiency during pregnancy, and therefor can be avoided with adequate supplementation (I would recommend Dr. Wallach's book Epigenetics)

Blogger Shane Bradman January 26, 2020 7:41 AM  

That's always a laugh. I support the persecution of Galileo and I support the persecution of atheists.

Blogger steb January 26, 2020 7:46 AM  

Generally, autists are atheists and schizophrenics are religious. But the big difference is that the schizophrenic's take on religion is considered insane by healthy religious people, while the atheism of autists is indistinguishable from the atheism of 'healthy' atheists.

Blogger Shane Bradman January 26, 2020 7:46 AM  

I enjoy asking atheists who make fun of "The sky daddy" if they believe in the moon landing. Yes, they say, because NASA says so. Why, then, do you not listen to the Catholic Church, which has been around for 2000 years and has influenced almost all of modern history, when they tell you that there is a God?
If they bring up some bullshit like pedophilia in the Catholic Church, I wonder what their reaction will be when they find out that NASA not only has plenty of pedophiles, but was literally created by Nazis.

Blogger Fargoth January 26, 2020 7:49 AM  

Let us also remember that unless genetic mutation rates have increased proportionately to the massive jump in autism rates, these genetic associations with autism do not necessarily indicate a genetic disorder. I think the question to ask is what resistances are weakened VIA mutations to new environmental factors like vaccination, electromagnetic radiation, and dietary factors like glyphosate and aluminum?

Blogger FrankNorman January 26, 2020 7:52 AM  

Speaking as someone on the Autism Spectrum myself, I'd be less than enthusiastic about the prospect being "cured".

That said, if Atheism is a mental disorder, it's by no means a minor one. Nothing trivial about eternal damnation.

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 26, 2020 7:56 AM  

These days it's hard to differentiate atheism from gnosticism. That is, to notice how people who do not believe God exists spend a lot of time hating and blaming God.
With that in mind, I wonder if perhaps the issue is not atheism by itself, but the way those who claim it, simply handle it. And that's where the autism is in play?
I ask this because of the apparent patterns. The atheist tends to also just happen to be - purely by coincidence of course - a leftist or libertarian in most cases. Two strains of what sometimes gets likened to a brain virus at times. Look at leftist Twitter profiles for example.
And both strains come at the topics and debate with levels of Sperg and zealotry that derails any debate or success.
If they were not sperging on the NAP or their hatred of God, they would be on some other topic, but still sperging.
So this cure might actually fix a lot of things.

Blogger God Emperor Memes January 26, 2020 8:11 AM  

"kung-flu"

Blogger Glen Sprigg January 26, 2020 8:29 AM  

Well, I've got Asperger's, and I did decide at the age of 15 that I knew everything and went full-on atheist (I just didn't tell everyone about it, because I hate people anyway). Fortunately, I got better in my 20s after my first son was born and God worked a miracle in my life. Now, I still don't do the social thing, but I'm 100% Catholic. So, the cure can happen...but it's in God's hands, not science. Don't trust the scientists to get anything right; they've screwed up enough.

Blogger Unknown January 26, 2020 8:34 AM  

Brilliant indeed

Blogger Recovering Gamma January 26, 2020 8:37 AM  

The Wuhan Flop

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 26, 2020 8:48 AM  

"This is caused by having too many psychiatrists and psychologists, most of whom have a tenuous grasp on reality and ethics."

It turns out that if God is all in your head, so is everything else.

"What I noticed about that article was it mentioned gene editing as the future, so what will the Vaccinate or Die crowd say to that?"

Gene editing on people already born is, if feasible by any means, done by administering mostly harmless varieties of engineered retroviruses, which would make their cure... a vaccine.

"while the atheism of autists is indistinguishable from the atheism of 'healthy' atheists."

How many 'healthy' atheists are there though, really?

Blogger John Rockwell January 26, 2020 9:14 AM  

Doktor Jeep wrote:These days it's hard to differentiate atheism from gnosticism. That is, to notice how people who do not believe God exists spend a lot of time hating and blaming God.

With that in mind, I wonder if perhaps the issue is not atheism by itself, but the way those who claim it, simply handle it. And that's where the autism is in play?

I ask this because of the apparent patterns. The atheist tends to also just happen to be - purely by coincidence of course - a leftist or libertarian in most cases. Two strains of what sometimes gets likened to a brain virus at times. Look at leftist Twitter profiles for example.

And both strains come at the topics and debate with levels of Sperg and zealotry that derails any debate or success.

If they were not sperging on the NAP or their hatred of God, they would be on some other topic, but still sperging.

So this cure might actually fix a lot of things.


Gnostics seem to want to separate God into Yadaboath the evil tyrant false God and the Impersonal force that is the so called true God.

Blogger David Ray Milton January 26, 2020 9:57 AM  

@Lazarus - vaccines and susceptible genes:

Probably. It’s why my kid is vaccine free. However, I believe the autism/MMR correlation has been mostly found to affect blacks.

Regarding the article as a whole:

I remember a pastor or professor observing once that the Psalms say “The fool says in his heart ‘There is no god.’” And he concluded that atheism was a spiritual decision not an intellectual one. I tend to agree. People reinforce their spiritual biases by intellectually cherry picking. The autist cannot believe in God not because they can’t fathom one existing, but because they cannot experience God
through love in relationships. They are emotionally and therefore spiritually retarded.

Blogger Mother Country January 26, 2020 10:45 AM  

What percentage of white kids are being diagnosed as autistic now? Before they start eradicating "Autism Spectrum" genes, our friends the scientists had better find how many of them are related to intelligence and high IQ. Someone needs to run an experiment in which introverted, late-speaking white children are kept away from computer screens and tv and put outside to play for long periods in good weather with other children. They should check back in ten years to see how many of the free range kids are autistic, and compare them with a control group who stayed inside and stared at screens all day with no social contact. This whole autism spectrum thing is a way to turn whiteness (generally introversion and later speaking in boys) into a disease. It's pure boloney, except for the few truly handicapped Rain Man examples. My father, according to my grandmother and aunt, did not speak until the age of five. He went on to serve in Army Intelligence and later became a doctor and artist, although he often spoke of how his happiest hours were spent alone in the woods. He had his own gun when he was eleven and went out squirrel hunting alone. So when my son did not speak early, I kept my head on straight, not that it was easy. He didn't turn out to be an atheist, btw. If teachers, scientists, and therapists cannot be trusted on the trans kid issue, why would you believe them when they say your kid is autistic? ASD is a proxy for white behavioral characteristics. Black autists are usually truly brain-damaged.

Blogger TraceRoute Bear January 26, 2020 10:52 AM  

"How many 'healthy' atheists are there though, really?"

Ever been to an atheist "church"? Close to zero.

Blogger Akuma January 26, 2020 11:00 AM  

"Most of these 102 genes were expressed in the brain, and affect synapses or regulate other genes. This means they have important roles in switching other genes on and off.

Furthermore, 49 of these genes are also linked to other developmental disorders, underlining the fact that the neurobiology of many such conditions are likely to overlap."

This is that thing Texas Arcane was talking about. Autism!=Aspergers. When stressors are introduced to the body and on one set of genes is present, the developing child gets Autism. If the set of genes that are supposed to be turned on are present then child ends up with Aspergers. The stressors can be anything from endocrine disruptors to vaccines, abusive parents, an ice age, or in Texas Arcanes case Lye. So in short Autism is th brain damaged form of Aspergers.

Blogger Mother Country January 26, 2020 11:44 AM  

Doktor Jeep wrote . . . notice how people who do not believe God exists spend a lot of time hating and blaming God. . .

Notice their relationships with their human fathers: mostly very, very bad. A liberal friend pointed this out to me, and I had to admit she was right for once. Owen Benjamin has talked about this, too. How can anyone hate and blame God so much if God isn't even real?

Blogger hooligan January 26, 2020 12:58 PM  

@30

Do you believe that God punishes those who have mental disorders?

Blogger Gallant January 26, 2020 1:02 PM  

As a confessed recovering quasi-atheist, just throwing out there something from my own journey, that could be considered by others.

A: Right or wrong, humans until this last century have lived under the umbrella of religious faith. If there's any evolution or selection around, we have evolved to it. The alternative is very much an unnatural environment and uncharted territory.

B: Any remotely honest look at what happens to christians or their society with christianity removed. Perhaps due to ( A ) people filling that void with a fervor for completely insane things (global warming, trannykids . . .), or just taking a step back and seeing that it effectively leads to anguish and eventually extinction. Perhaps "Ye shall know them by their fruits" after all.

Blogger maniacprovost January 26, 2020 1:06 PM  

The atheist tends to also just happen to be - purely by coincidence of course - a leftist or libertarian in most cases.

There are two types of libertarians: those who don't want to rule over others, and those who don't want to be told, "No, don't touch the hot stove."

In the case of leftists, American leftism is about how what you want RIGHT NOW justifies anything done to get it, and don't worry about how effective your method is either. European leftism is about Equality, or "Ain't nobody better than me!"

You can see how these attitudes are consistent with atheism.

Blogger A rebel without a General January 26, 2020 1:42 PM  

I can't wait for the cure for Aspergers. I just want to be a normal delta.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 26, 2020 2:23 PM  

"Do you believe that God punishes those who have mental disorders?"

What if the worse symptoms of the disorder are themselves punishment for something else, and just happen to be punishments that persons with said disorder are particularly susceptible to?

Blogger CS January 26, 2020 3:01 PM  

alleles for autism overlap broadly with alleles for high intelligence

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4927579/

Which supports the notion that atheism is a consequence of rational thought. Certainly, there's little rational basis for theism, other than the fact that a society without a religion is doomed to self-destruction as is evident in the West today.

Unfortunately, it requires more than a couple of extra IQ points to recognize the necessity of irrational faith. It takes a civilization and an proper education system, both of which the Western nations have now jettisoned.

Blogger tublecane January 26, 2020 3:03 PM  

Autism may be a real thing, but it is also a diagnostic fad and I believe utterly beyond scientific analysis.

Blogger Mauldication Bear January 26, 2020 5:34 PM  

"atheism, not religion, that will one day be cured by science"

my jaw dropped.

Blogger Akulkis January 26, 2020 5:38 PM  

"Certainly, there's little rational basis for theism"

Proof of God in one sentence.

When you have found whoever created the universe, or created that which created [that which created ] ... the universe, then you have found God.

That's it. That's ALL you need to prove the existence of God.


To contradict that, you must argue that:

1) The universe created itself (an argument which is an oxymoron)

2) The universe has always existed, which is slightly less of an oxymoron, but leads to other problems far more difficult and paradoxical than the existence of a Deity existing before everything else.

On other words, arguing that God exists isn't just the child's way out -- it's literally the most logical explanation for, literally, everything.

Blogger Kiwi January 26, 2020 7:11 PM  

Due to a lack of behavioural knowledge in medical professionals and well intentioned carers, low functioning people with Autism have serious problems in regards of their long-term wellbeing, often sedation and "sophisticated care" (medical prison) occur. I can see why feeding their brains might be logical.

High functioning is something quite different. These people can generally work out that their behaviour isn't the norm and mitigate it by acting as they should. It would be interesting to know if these people would want a "cure" as they might find some emotional reactions an illogical burden, think Spock. Unfortunately, a high function individual is as vulnerable as a low functioning, in terms of manipulation from bad actors, just the latter can't cause much damage.

Autism wouldn't need "fixing" in a society of the good. Unfortunately, we don't live there. The Atheist correlation is interesting but to discuss it openly would stir up more problems than talking about the gay gene at a pride parade.

Blogger Kiwi January 26, 2020 7:47 PM  

"Unfortunately, it requires more than a couple of extra IQ points to recognize the necessity of irrational faith."

There are people with high IQ, some good and some bad. Those who are good can not lie to themselves, or by default they are now bad. It's not logical that the bad would or can keep order toward the good.



Blogger CS January 26, 2020 7:50 PM  

"When you have found whoever created the universe, or created that which created [that which created ] ... the universe, then you have found God."

Which seems to leave God muttering "Who the Heck created me?"

Blogger SirHamster January 26, 2020 8:18 PM  

CS wrote:Which seems to leave God muttering "Who the Heck created me?"
"seems"

That which is created is by definition not God.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 26, 2020 8:20 PM  

Something immutable and unbounded need not have been created. The Universe does not fit that description in either regard.

Blogger Charlie B. Goode January 26, 2020 8:24 PM  

"Hurrdurr who made God?"

If are so smart and creative, then why can't they come up with any original ideas or arguments? Or at least take a cursory glance at Aquinas for the answer?

Blogger Tino January 26, 2020 8:29 PM  

I am not competent on the atheism brain gene axis idea, so knowing my limits I will address what I do know. Autism is not genetic regardless of the bs literature accumulating on the topic. It is a post-uterine insult either by toxin or auto-immune reaction. Being one of only 3 docs that has reversed autism at a 66% overall rate, and half of those being returned to neuro-typicality, I can speak authoritatively on this. All one has to do is what Dr. Bradstreet and I did almost 6 years ago. Take an ultrasound probe and put it on the temporal region and take a look at the brain there-under. Instead of seeing a normal U/S picture, one sees a middle meningeal layer scar down, increased CSF space, and the six layers of the cortex instead of being layers, look more or less like Swiss cheese with areas of focal apoptosis. And yes, you can find this description in the somewhat formal literature.

Bottom line: This is an encephalitic-style hit to the brain that compares to the traditional disease in appearance but is limited surprisingly to frontal, pre-frontal regions. Which means a probable auto-immune reaction or a selective toxin reaction.

This finding axiomatically blows out of the water the in-utero hypothesis and the genetic hypothesis. It's a damn post-uterine hit. To the extent there is a genetic link it is the susceptibility to the post-uterine hit. In turn this instantly explains the absence of so-called autism genes in parents: A substantial fraction of autism may be highly heritable but not inherited: that is, the mutation that causes the autism is not present in the parental genome. Of course, the logical conclusion that damaged tissue would express other genes in reaction to damage doesn't seem to occur to anyone, amazingly enough.

Your Mileage May Vary as they say.

Blogger Kiwi January 26, 2020 9:36 PM  

54.

(chuckles heard from outside of time)

Blogger Unknown January 26, 2020 10:03 PM  

+2

Blogger Kiwi January 26, 2020 10:37 PM  

"Being one of only 3 docs that has reversed autism at a 66% overall rate, and half of those being returned to neuro-typicality, I can speak authoritatively on this."

What method are you using? Feel free to speak technically.

Blogger Monotonous Languor January 27, 2020 2:39 AM  

In related news, researchers find a liberal gene. Scientists (“She blinded me with SCIENCE!”) found a correlation between a dopamine receptor gene DRD4 and a greater likelihood of being liberal as an adult.

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-10/uoc--rfa102710.php

However, their explanation for how it might work is contrived, precious and suspect. Since earlier studies associated certain receptor genotypes with traits such as extroversion and novelty-seeking, they've explained liberalism as being open to new ideas and seeking many friends. That doesn't much apply to close-minded SJW zealots.

Over time I've come to believe that leftists are a distinct sub-species based on r/K selection factors. This DRD4 gene just reinforces that premise. It also leads to the conclusion that segregation based on important genotypes may be an important factor in building successful communities.

Blogger wreckage January 27, 2020 6:14 AM  

Returned to neuro-typicality after scarring and cell-death? Is the therapy regenerative?

Blogger Tino January 27, 2020 10:54 AM  

In answer to the questions:

It is not regenerative. The reversion towards neuro-typical happens faster than the neural and glial development timeline. The kids are routing around the damage using the brain's plasticity and depth of backup.

As to how, neuro-electrically the back of the brain is fine and running a classic alpha frequency. The frontal/pre-frontal region usually has nothing but slow wave and a spit of alpha if you get lucky. Take your Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation coil and blast some serious *individualized* alpha frequency into frontal/pre-frontal region. Rinse wash repeat x 4-12 weeks daily, and pray to whatever gods you worship. Essentially we drag frontal neurons into synchrony with the rear half of the brain. Neurons that fire together grow stronger together. Every night the brains rewire a touch. The cumulative effect is very gratifying.

Hope it helps.

Blogger Beardy Bear January 27, 2020 11:02 AM  

My wife brought up a thought: What if they already knew autism is linked to atheism, and that was part of vaccine design in certain demographics?

Blogger CS January 27, 2020 11:30 AM  

"we drag frontal neurons into synchrony with the rear half of the brain." Do you know if this works with adults, or has it only been used with children?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 27, 2020 11:53 AM  

"What if they already knew autism is linked to atheism, and that was part of vaccine design in certain demographics?

Not the only one flipping that thought around. Might just be a dovetail, or may be planned at a higher-than-human level of evil beings.

Blogger Yukichi Sensei January 27, 2020 11:54 AM  

Christians need to brush up on their natural theology. It is a good way to reach many 'less emotional' thinkers.

Also have charity for other Biblical Christians. At least try to understand them. Double Predestination? Makes sense to me. Marian apparitions? Less so but I try to comprehend.

Blogger James Lovebirch January 27, 2020 1:29 PM  

Thanks for the great comments Tino.

Blogger CS January 27, 2020 2:02 PM  

"That which is created is by definition not God."

So God has existed for all time. But God without a universe to govern seems to make no sense, so the universe must also have existed for all time and, therefore, cannot have been created.

If God and the universe are uncreated, are they not one and the same?

The human mind is an emergent property of matter, suggesting that, as Emerson held, the human mind is an inlet on the ocean of God's mind, the latter an emergent property of the entire universe.

Blogger Akulkis January 27, 2020 3:24 PM  

"inlet on the ocean of God's mind, the latter an emergent property of the entire universe."

You have it precisely backwards.

The subatomic physics community has known for decades that state of mind can have an effect on an experiment. If you're looking for particles, you will find particles. If you're looking for waves, you will find waves.
If you add up the total energy detected by the run with your particle detector, and the run with your wave detector, you get more energy out than going in.
This would be a violation of the 1st law of Thermodynamics, as well as the Conservation of Energy.

A powerful enough "thought" could produce the entire universe.
So who had that thought? There, that "who" is God.

A belief in God is not difficult for even the most cutting edge high energy physics experimentalists (as opposed to the theorists); in fact, they are the EASIEST to convert from atheism to any sort of theistic belief system, because they've witnessed the interaction of thoughts and matter, firsthand.

And it's not like this general idea has been withheld from the general public. It's discussed in "The Dancing Wu-Li Masters" (I believe the 2nd chapter), a paperback book first published in the 1970s. Unfortunately, the author leans towards Bhuddism, but that doesn't detract from the experimental results and the conclusion that mere human intent (therefore thought) has long been known to impact their experiments.

Blogger Haus frau January 27, 2020 3:33 PM  

"But God without a universe to govern seems to make no sense, "

"Seems"
There's that word again. Your assumptions about how God should function if you were God make for piss poor arguments. The Christian god is not confined to this realm of existence nor does he primarily live here either. You cannot know what god does on his own time.

Blogger Boaty Bear January 27, 2020 4:05 PM  

www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/?s=Drd4

From first article listed dated January 15th 2016
"This is because DRD4 is the genetic foundation of an r-selected reproductive strategy, and these migrants are in search of free resources. DRD4 7r is even associated with r-strategy traits such as promiscuity, infidelity, and high sex drive:"

Blogger CS January 27, 2020 4:33 PM  

"Your assumptions about how God should function if you were God make for piss poor arguments."

OK, OK. God can exist in vacuo.

Blogger Gregory the Tall January 27, 2020 6:51 PM  

@CS: With these ironic comments you enter into the logical absurdity of having to find ever earlier creators of ever earlier creators of creators ... until you finally may (if you choose so) realize that everything must have started with an uncreated entity.

Blogger Tino January 27, 2020 8:08 PM  

@66

The oldest autist treated I believe was 42 years old.

In the post-puberty cohort the same response rate is seen but it takes twice as long in treatment to get the same results.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 27, 2020 9:56 PM  

"So God has existed for all time. But God without a universe to govern seems to make no sense, so the universe must"

Why do all of your seems come out of your ass? There's no logical necessity there that the universe must anything.

It makes sense just fine, you only have a problem with it because it unseats you from the throne of eternity. On top of that, it is possible that time itself is a constraint rather than an extent.

"OK, OK. God can exist in vacuo."

In? You realize your sets are possibly reversed, right?

Blogger CS January 28, 2020 12:45 PM  

Gregory,

Re: Gregory the Tall wrote:... until you finally may (if you choose so) realize that everything must have started with an uncreated entity.
But if the Universe has existed for all time, then there was no creation, and therefore no creator, though that has no bearing on the question of the existence of God.

Blogger Akulkis January 28, 2020 1:07 PM  

"But if the Universe has existed for all time, then there was no creation, and therefore no creator, though that has no bearing on the question of the existence of God."

Do you understand, from the viewpoints, even within the narrow fields of Natural Philosophy known as Physics and as Cosmology, how absolutely ILLOGICAL that is?

Blogger CS January 28, 2020 1:08 PM  

Tino,

I see there's ton of literature on this and related topics. Must start reading. Very interesting. Thanks.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 28, 2020 3:24 PM  

"But if the Universe has existed for all time"

All time? There are issues with that supposition.

One, the past extent of time itself may be limited, in which case the universe was produced at or since the beginning of it.

Two, entropy, among other things, would have reduced everything to very different things than what we currently see, given an unlimited past in which to operate. The alternative requires the alteration of what we consider physical constants, and once that's on the table, God is both philosophically and logically the smaller, more coherent pill to swallow.

Three, it's still an ex-nihilo supposition, you've only taken the issue and tried to push it back enough removes that you can no longer locate it. Turns out, the logical problem's still there whether you can see it from where you're standing or not. Time entails transformation, and transformation is biased, meaning that it has a direction. If what is governed by time did not proceed from something else to the present, and is not en-route to somewhere further, there would not be time. The arrow of time must have an origin and direction, anything else is incoherent.

There are probably others, this is just off the top of my head.

Blogger CS January 29, 2020 5:17 PM  

"If what is governed by time did not proceed from something else to the present, and is not en-route to somewhere further, there would not be time."

LOL. Metaphysics is all very well as a source of amusement, but cannot provide the basis of belief in God, which is an act of faith.

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