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Saturday, January 25, 2020

Thank you, Corona-chan!

Corona-chan offers yet another powerful argument against globalization, open borders, and the free movement of peoples. Plus, a guide to ensure the good favor of Corona-chan:
  • Don’t worry much if you’re not a boomer – for now.
  • Once it lands in your region, try to minimize contacts with other people. Brush up on your hikikomori skills, they’ll finally come in handy.
  • Obviously no idiot-tier things, like going to restaurants, cafes, concerts. Minimize public transport usage.
  • Try to get a work-from-home arrangement.
  • Be aware that face masks offer minimal protection (and this Corona can spread through the eyes).
  • Keep hands away from face.
  • Do the usual prepper things: Get supplies of grains, meat in bulk for the freezer, water, coffee, etc. Even better, get to an isolated rural retreat, if it’s a realistic option.
  • Make sure any entertainment is strictly thematic:
      • Stephen King’s classic, The Stand.
      • Richard Preston on Corona-chan’s more bloodthirsty but stupider sister, The Hot Zone.
      • Russian cult classic video games Pathologic and the more recent Pathologic 2.
      • Plague Inc. video game.
      • Zombie movies
  • Maintain positive outlook. At least we’ll get a temporary reprieve from cheap Chinese tour groups.
All in all, it strikes me as a good time to get caught up on the writing. Back to Selenoth....


UPDATE: Doesn't evacuating people from a hot zone tend to violate the primary objective of a quarantine?
The US, which has around 1,000 citizens in the city, is set to evacuate those it knows about - including diplomats - on a 230 seater charter flight tomorrow. 
Why not simply declare those 1,000 citizens to be New Chinese, every bit as Chinese as the other residents of Wuhan, and leave them to bravely face the Mandate of Heaven with their fellow Chinese. 

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141 Comments:

Blogger Maniac January 25, 2020 8:26 AM  

Just add a slice of lime.

In all seriousness, I'm not really worried about this, just like I wasn't really worried about Zika, Ebola, swine flu, bird flu, dog flu and stegosaurus flu.

Blogger English Tom January 25, 2020 8:27 AM  

You forgot to mention, don't eat bat soup from unverified producers!

Blogger Dan in Georgia January 25, 2020 8:31 AM  

So...whenever a city is under quarantine, I guess they’ll put up some kind of signal in the clouds to warn us of the danger...perhaps a silhouette in the shape of some animal associated with the virus...hmmmm...

Blogger Nym Coy January 25, 2020 8:41 AM  

Time to get my Pandemic game out of storage. The kids may be old enough?

Blogger Katechon January 25, 2020 8:43 AM  

>airborne
>asymptomatic for ~5 days

Something I don't understand :
Why aren't flights from China suspended ?
Would be too big of an economic impact ?

Blogger VD January 25, 2020 8:50 AM  

Why aren't flights from China suspended?

The same reason gays weren't quarantined when AIDS broke out. The Promethean elite doesn't actually care about saving lives. To the contrary, they're all for depopulation by any means necessary, including war with Russia.

Blogger JC January 25, 2020 8:51 AM  

I can also recommend 12 Monkeys and Outbreak as good viewing and both came out in 1995.

And we can't forget the Resident Evil series (Biohazard in Japan). The lab apparently has a similar logo to the evil Umbrella Corporation in that series.

Though this could be a troll.

And if you need something to drink, I know a drinkable Mexican beer that might suit...

Blogger A rebel without a General January 25, 2020 8:56 AM  

>Brush upon your hiki skills

Way ahead of you the omegas do not fear any pathogen.

Blogger Solon January 25, 2020 8:59 AM  

The chans have been gathering data on Corona-chan for a couple weeks now. It's... a lot more horrifying than the mockery mmaks it out to be.


@1

You... actually probably should be worried. This one is a chimera virus: the flu symptoms are just the delivery system for the actual payload, which involves encephalitis, meningitis, and your lung tissue flooding with fluid so you drown.

This isnt a normal Corona virus. It looks like SARS, but with other stuff attached.

@5

Airborne, waterborne, can transfer through sweat and eye ducts, bloodborne. It's more infectious than Spanish Flu.

Also, yes, asymptomatic anywhere from 5-15 days, and then collapsing once the virus reaches your brain.


If the random text files, chatter, etc. are at all believable: the virus was man-made at the bioweapons lab near Wuhan. It involves a bunch of bat viral proteins stitched together to infect humans, with some as-yet unidentified other virus RNA.

Probably not intentionally released. More likely, some scientist was tasked with incinerating bodies of bats, and instead he took the bat to the Wuhan market to sell for extra cash. We all know Chinese would do that.

Although, the timing is... very coincidental. Biggest human migration holiday of the year, and this gnarly virus shows up in a major travel hub...

Blogger Nikolai Collushnikov January 25, 2020 9:06 AM  

Or at least ensure your bat soup is thoroughly cooked.

Blogger Solon January 25, 2020 9:08 AM  

@5 "Too big an economic impact?"

They've quarantined 15 cities so far, probably more, the CCP likes to lie.

The economic damage, especially on Chinese New Year, is already done.

Imagine that you're some big wig at the CCP. You've read the reports: its WAY worse than anyone admits. I mean, we're talking 15% casualty rate, possibly worse; apocalyptic-tier for China.

What's your move? Think like a Chinese.

My hypothetical response: take everyone else down with me. If China is going to suffer such a devastating blow, she would be militarily vulnerable, so let's make sure everyone else is crippled too.

Leave the flights open. This serves the double purpose of infecting everyone else through migration, and makes them think "it's not such a big deal, see, they're still allowing travel, they're telling us it's only 2% morbidity, it's just a nasty flu like SARS."

It's far worse than the CCP will ever admit, and they are actively suppressing the numbers reported, shutting down internet and cell so people cant communicate, etc.

This is... very bad. Wait for the next two weeks, we should see a huge jump in infections and fatalities all over the world.

Blogger Zaklog the Great January 25, 2020 9:10 AM  

@6 The same reason gays weren't quarantined when AIDS broke out. The Promethean elite doesn't actually care about saving lives.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing when Zika was a big crisis in Central America and my wife and I were hoping to get pregnant. Why couldn't they quarantine people from an area likely to be infected? Because our well-being really isn't a priority to those in charge.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 25, 2020 9:13 AM  

At first I thought it was a beer chibi, then I saw the Chinese dress cut and skull pattern. Cute!

Pay no attention to what the evil chibi says, only what the evil chibi does. Also, the reactions of its close personal friendly nation which look extreme at the moment.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 25, 2020 9:16 AM  

"This isnt a normal Corona virus. It looks like SARS, but with other stuff attached."

All things together, there's been a bit of speculation that some engineering was involved with this one given the location and timing of its occurrence. Probably not loosed intentionally even if so.

Blogger Tars Tarkas January 25, 2020 9:21 AM  

So far this season, over 6,000 Americans have died of the flu.
So far, the transmission rate is only 2 (2 new people infected per infected person) while SARS was as high as 4.
From what I can find, it's basically a cold.
Metokur pointed out that the market where the "Wu Flu" is believed to have originated is like 6 miles from a Chinese built CDC type thing where lethal viruses were studied. Given Chinese quality, the viruses might have gotten out? Shutting down entire cities seems extreme for a cold.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 25, 2020 9:21 AM  

Sooper Boomer Aesop says, "Me no worry about Corona - Chan." Thanks for the laughs about suspending flights, talk about Sooper Boomerin that would be a line straight out of Wine Auntie's mouth.

Blogger [Redacted] January 25, 2020 9:23 AM  

The Year of the Rat has come in swinging.

Blogger Salt January 25, 2020 9:26 AM  

The Hot Zone, the book, is quite accurate. I discussed it with the Dean of LSU Vet. Sch. who, at that time, was with USAMRIID and is mentioned in the book.

Blogger FrankNorman January 25, 2020 9:27 AM  

Now the question: will they be wanting to vaccinate people against this?

Blogger Ultrahardcore January 25, 2020 9:28 AM  

Is there really a bioweapons lab in Wuhan?
Why does anyone even know it exists?

Blogger carnaby January 25, 2020 9:42 AM  

Make sure any entertainment is strictly thematic:

Welcome to the NHK is another good one for this circumstance.

Blogger Ska_Boss January 25, 2020 9:48 AM  

People dying on the streets of China is nothing new, I've seen dozens of videos where they commit suicide or have some crazy fatal accident and other people around them don't even bat an eye. In a country of over a billion people a few hundred or thousand deaths is a drop in the bucket, but what I find most disturbing is the mortality rate of the virus and the fact that it's already been reported in other countries including the US. Time to lay low for a while until this whole ordeal blows over. Also a good time to rotate my survival prep stock.

Blogger Steve Samson January 25, 2020 9:52 AM  

I must confess to being a little bit worried about this one. At first it just seemed like bird flu, SARS and so on but I don't remember cities of millions being quarantined on those occasions. Hopefully someone is going to chime in and correct me!

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums January 25, 2020 9:54 AM  

Solon wrote:You... actually probably should be worried. This one is a chimera virus

Remember the Swine-Flu?
All possible strains of the flu viruses have been identified, isolated, and in some cases created in labs decades ago. The virus for the swine flu was isolated in the 70s. The virus was believed at the time to be the deadliest and the most viral strain of flu-viruses. Now it's on par with any other virus classified under "common cold".

All coronavirus types have also been isolated in the 70s, each of them also having a patented vaccine of course.

Furthermore viral infections whether with this virus or this other virus aren't diagnosed. Doctors don't bother with isolating the virus and sending it to the lab for a genetic test. Virus infections are diagnosed based on symptoms. Why? Because treatment is also symptomatic. The joke in the medical community goes as follows: an untreated flu-like infection can last up to seven days, however under pointed treatment it only lasts one week.

Blogger JG January 25, 2020 10:03 AM  

It's too late for China to contain the virus, but the rest of the world could catch a break if we'd stop all flights from countries with mass infections.

Blogger tuberman January 25, 2020 10:20 AM  

OMG fear porn is coming to get us. Doomed!

Blogger Bernard Korzeniewicz January 25, 2020 10:23 AM  

The epidemic of visibly artificial virus corelates with Putin flushing Globohomo from Russia:
- Miedviediev is out;
- other NGO's clowns are out;
- Putin seemingly guaranted safety of the State of Izrael

Blogger RedJack January 25, 2020 10:35 AM  

Former coworkers in the vet science world aren't responding to any texts. They typically do. no social media presence for three weeks either. Knowing them, the are part of the work trying to figure where this bug came from. It has hallmarks of a man made virus, and I am wondering if they bugged out.

At this point, it is in every continent. Not sure what to do but pray, prepare, and pray

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 25, 2020 10:36 AM  

In the 1920s, doctors were having success treating viral infections with IV ascorbic acid. The med journal papers can be found with a search engine.

There is no profit in saving people with 50 cents worth of ascorbic acid, of course.

Blogger Nate January 25, 2020 10:44 AM  

evac sounds like a good option to me. they are going to try to get back to the US anyway. this way we can be in direct control. we can test them and quarantine them if necessary.

Blogger braq January 25, 2020 10:45 AM  

@24:

>"All coronavirus types have also been isolated in the 70s, each of them also having a patented vaccine of course."

Even if that were true (which it can't possibly be, given that there are unknown and novel corona virii, as well as mutations) - do you have any clue how long it would take to manufacture hundreds of millions/billions of vaccinations?

@20:

See this article from 2017 describing the Wuhan level-4 biolab.

Blogger Avalanche January 25, 2020 10:53 AM  

@15 "over 6,000 Americans have died of the flu."

Problem is, if you look closely enough, the CDC tracks those "flu deaths" in the same pile as pneumonia deaths! So, if you get a bad cold with a lowered immune system and die of pneumonia? CDC calls you a *flu* death and tries, yet again, to push everyone to get flu vaccine, no matter how ineffective it is!

These folks (a risk communication consultant and his MD wife) have been trying to bring logic and reality -- or at least truth -- to epidemics and pandemics and the like.
Two apropos (from 2013):
The CDC Tells More of the Truth than Usual about Flu Vaccine Effectiveness http://www.psandman.com/col/presser.htm

Postscript: The CDC Is Up to Its Old Tricks Again re Flu Vaccine Effectiveness http://www.psandman.com/col/postscript.htm

2009-2010 articles on flu, pandemics, vaccines, and 'hey CDC, how about a bit bit of reality in risk communication?'
http://www.psandman.com/col/swine-old.htm

To see more:
www.psandman.com/search/search.php?zoom_query=flu+vaccine

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 25, 2020 10:55 AM  

"OMG fear porn is coming to get us. Doomed!"

It's more entertaining than the usual media fare.

Sure, I doubt it's the big one, but there's always going to be a big one at some point. More likely when our infrastructure really goes to pot. War, famine, and pestilence don't ride together without reason.

Blogger Dan B January 25, 2020 11:00 AM  

I'll let myself worry if Madagascar closes its borders.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 25, 2020 11:00 AM  

Nate wrote:evac sounds like a good option to me. they are going to try to get back to the US anyway. this way we can be in direct control. we can test them and quarantine them if necessary.
We could. We would. The Ruling Class probably won't.

Blogger Avalanche January 25, 2020 11:01 AM  

@24 "All possible strains of the flu viruses have been identified, isolated, and in some cases created in labs decades ago."

SO what?! I know a lot of folks here don't believe in Darwininan evolution, myself included, -- but what the hell use is 'identifying and isolating' viruses? Do you think the viruses do not mutate constantly?!

IF 'identifying and isolating' all "possible strains of the flu viruses" was an achievable -- and achieved -- step; there would never ever be an new flu virus... and ALL vaccines would now be perfectly working, because "we" had identified them all and made vaccines that fit each one.

Please restate your point, because the way you wrote is nonsensical.

Blogger borsabil January 25, 2020 11:04 AM  

I'm currently in Fujian province, far away from the epicenter, but I can tell you that people here are in full blown panic mode. The CCP has closed off an entire province of 50 million people, you don't do that for what's being reported as a mild flu effecting a few hundred people with a 1% mortality rate. Symptoms include severe gastro followed by a respiratory illness and in worse cases pneumonia, but videos are being shared on Chinese social media of victims vomiting and shitting out blood. I've also seen video of a hospital stacked with dead bodies lining the corridors along with live patients, it's a complete FUBAR. You're damned right other nations need to close down travel from CHina. I want to get the fuck out of Dodge but I would expect to be quarantined when I get home.

Blogger Scuzzaman January 25, 2020 11:09 AM  

The Chinese have hundreds of millions of people who will never marry, never rise above subsistence, never be content.

I’m not saying this is deliberate but the Chinese government profits from this whether it’s real or not, deadly epidemic or bird flu redux. Worst case they relieve themselves of surplus population and weaken some of their enemies, while also normalising emergency powers that would otherwise cause a revolt.

And if you think our governments are any different, you’re fatally mistaken.

Blogger R Webfoot January 25, 2020 11:15 AM  

@Nym Coy
"Time to get my Pandemic game out of storage. The kids may be old enough?"

Yes, but possibly not old enough for the Mexican beer you should be drinking while you play.

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums January 25, 2020 11:26 AM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:In the 1920s, doctors were having success treating viral infections with IV ascorbic acid.

You can treat viral infections with literally anything because viral infections require no treatment to cure in a healthy person.

People who die from viral infections do so because the viral infection in these cases is just a comorbidity. There's no such thing in medicine as dying of old age. Doctors are obliged to put something specific in the death certificate. I'll start worrying only when able-bodied 20 year old's start keeling over.

Blogger Mocheirge January 25, 2020 11:28 AM  

Maybe it's time to open that copy of Pandemic Legacy season 2 that I got for Christmas. Or perhaps I'll visit the Russian steppes as a haruspex...

Regardless, that Corona-chan is a cutie.

Blogger Avalanche January 25, 2020 11:29 AM  

@29 Taking ascorbic acid -- as in vitamin C pills and capsules -- the C doesn't pass out of the blood stream into the cells sufficiently well to be truly effective. Don't forget -- in the '20s when they were 'successfully treating' -- there were NO other medical treatments extant. Nowadays, Tamiflu, which was praised as the savior of the world, turns out not to be; but like ascorbic acid, for SOME people, it helps.

TL;DR:
Since most folks can't do IV vitamin C therapy (best) at home, look into liposomal vitamin C (2nd best). You can make it at home with a sonic jewelry cleaner. I make mine using borosilicate beakers IN the cleaner. Vit C is water soluble, which means even a pretty good serum/blood level shows nothing about how much is crossing the lipid barrier into cells. "Lipo"somal is ascorbic acid ecapsulated in a lipid bilayer, and so slips into the cells easily.


The long way 'round:
From: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4915787/

"Liposomes are manufactured microscopic, hollow spherical vesicles composed of a lipid bilayer. When loaded with pharmaceuticals and/or dietary supplements, liposomes are a very effective method of drug/supplement delivery. When ingested, the pharmacokinetic properties of liposome intestinal absorption override the usual absorption pattern of the encapsulated drug. That is, the delivery of a drug/supplement with a typically slow or regulated pattern of absorption, such as vitamin C, may be accelerated when encapsulated within a liposome.18,19 Consistent with this idea, the purpose of the current investigation was to compare the circulating concentrations of vitamin C following oral ingestion of vitamin C encapsulated within liposomes and oral ingestion of unencapsulated vitamin C. To provide a point of reference, we have also quantified circulating concentrations of vitamin C following intravenous administration of an equivalent dose."


Result:
... Plasma vitamin C concentrations were greatest following intravenous administration at all time points compared with each of the other modes of delivery... At two, three, and four hours, plasma vitamin C concentrations were greater after oral administration of vitamin C encapsulated in liposomes compared with placebo and unencapsulated vitamin C ...; and unencapsulated vitamin C produced greater concentrations than placebo.... Consistent with these data, oral delivery of vitamin C encapsulated in liposomes ... evoked a greater... area under the curve than unencapsulated vitamin C... that in turn was greater ... than placebo....

Discussion:
The new findings of this investigation were that the oral delivery of vitamin C encapsulated in liposomes: (1) produced circulating concentrations of vitamin C greater than those elicited by oral delivery of unencapsulated vitamin C but less than those following intravenous vitamin C administration ...
...Advantages of liposomal encapsulation include accelerated intestinal absorption, increased stability of the pharmaceutical, protection of the gut from potentially irritating agents, and greater bioavailability of the pharmaceutical...

Blogger Avalanche January 25, 2020 11:32 AM  

@30 "we can test them and quarantine them if necessary."

Like the ebola treating nurse who flew into Boston, was it, and then went walk-about back to Maine cause she didn't want to play quarantine?! Yeah-no; that won't work!

Blogger Janus January 25, 2020 11:32 AM  

Dan B wrote:I'll let myself worry if Madagascar closes its borders.

Thread winner right there.

Blogger Tars Tarkas January 25, 2020 11:34 AM  

Avalanche wrote:Problem is, if you look closely enough, the CDC tracks those "flu deaths" in the same pile as pneumonia deaths! So, if you get a bad cold with a lowered immune system and die of pneumonia? CDC calls you a *flu* death and tries, yet again, to push everyone to get flu vaccine, no matter how ineffective it is!

The article I read yesterday did say that a significant portion of those deaths were pneumonia.

I've had the flu 4 times in my adult life, once when I was 19, once in my 20s and twice in my 30s. When I opt for a flu shot, I invariably get sick. 4 times in 32 years of adult life, but every time I get the shot (but never as bad as when I had the actual flu. Those were nasty)

Blogger Johnny January 25, 2020 11:36 AM  

"There is no profit in saving people with 50 cents worth of ascorbic acid, of course."

Having tried a lot of herbal remedies, I can say that a lot of them don't do much or don't do anything. And the few that are really effective don't get proscribed. And that is even if they are a lot better and safer than the drug company stuff.

Blogger Avalanche January 25, 2020 11:39 AM  

@40 "I'll start worrying only when able-bodied 20 year old's start keeling over."

You mean like in the 1918 Flu epidemic? The one they dug up a frozen corpse some years ago, who had died of it, so they could 'mess about' with it?! That one? Hmmmm. Gentlemen, start your engines!

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei January 25, 2020 11:46 AM  

So we can stop worrying about the onrushing "new" debt crisis?

Blogger Crew January 25, 2020 11:49 AM  

I'll let myself worry if Madagascar closes its borders.

I won't start worrying until Zanzibar closes its borders!

Blogger HouellebecqGurl January 25, 2020 11:58 AM  

2011's Contagion is really good. At least the first part where the odious demon, Gwenny Paltrow dies.

Blogger VFM #7634 January 25, 2020 11:58 AM  

Ah, good old 瘟疫母国 has just lain another egg.

Blogger Scuzzaman January 25, 2020 12:02 PM  

War, famine, and pestilence don't ride together without reason.

This.

But I feel sorry for Ringo, nobody ever remembers the fourth one.

Blogger Crew January 25, 2020 12:03 PM  

So far this season, over 6,000 Americans have died of the flu.

That's .002% or 0.2 in 10,000.

How many of them were real Americans, anyway?

Blogger Akuma January 25, 2020 12:03 PM  


Nate said
"evac sounds like a good option to me. they are going to try to get back to the US anyway. this way we can be in direct control. we can test them and quarantine them if necessary."

What if they pass the quarantine and tests and have no place to live after? Looks like the sidewalk in front of Nates dwelling is prime real estate for his fellow displaced people.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein January 25, 2020 12:13 PM  

Make sure any entertainment is strictly thematic:
Stephen King’s classic, The Stand...


Pffft.
This whole thing reeks of a *false Flagg* event.

Blogger Akulkis January 25, 2020 12:18 PM  

"Now the question: will they be wanting to vaccinate people against this?"

In the last week, I've already heard on the radio that experts predict it will take 12 months to produce a vaccine, and that doesn't mean the time to produce enough for everybody to get one, but for the first product to be available.

With the Spanish Flu outbreak (which is believed to have originated in Kansas, became lethal at Fort Gordon, GA, and then rode with the troops up the rail lines to the transoceanic embarkation point in New York -- with no warning to the general public because Wilson was throwing newspaper people in jail for sedition for any negative talk and the editors were afraid to approve the reporting.
Curiously, Spanish Flu was ignoring those 40 or over, which makes those familiar with it suspect that it was similar enough to the Russian Flu pandemic of the 1880s that those who survived it were immune to this one.

By the time the death trains from Fort Gordon took it to New York, it was causing healthy, young people, including hospital workers in their 20's, to literally collapse, followed by death within 2-3 days.

The army was in too much of a hurry, and didn't have the facilities anyways, to quarantine the troops from each other, so the ships were loaded with all soldiers not showing any symptoms (despite the fact that this meant putting aboard many who were in the incubation stage). Predictably, some troops started showing symptoms as soon as within 24 hours of departure, and a percentage who were stricken died within a week, some not even making it 1/2 way across the Atlantic.

It was soon carried to the Western Front, then to German troops by captured American troops who were still in the incubation stage, and from them it made its way from German front lines to the civilian population of Germany. More than anything, this flu outbreak is what caused Germany's defeat (even more than the numbers of troops provided by the U.S.), as the logistics chain was devastated, all the way down to the family farms growing the food.

Blogger Lazarus January 25, 2020 12:27 PM  

From what I think I remember of the SARS incident, the majority (if not all) of the cases in my neck of the woods were Chinese, but it was never reported that way. They had to pretend everyone was at risk just like they have to pretend its not blacks that are killing all the blacks.

Blogger the other boomer January 25, 2020 12:39 PM  

Asafoetida is antiviral
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/01/13/asafoetida-benefits.aspx
Also used in Indian and Middle Eastern cooking. A sort of substitute for onions and garlic for those whose religion forbids eating roots, so you can get it at the INdian grocery.

Blogger Cinco January 25, 2020 12:40 PM  

Also, how many of those “flu deaths” were late stares AIDS patients?

Blogger Akulkis January 25, 2020 12:40 PM  

"we can test them and quarantine them if necessary."

Do you think for even one moment that the State Department, now going on 80 years of continuous treason, is going to in any way discomfort or in any way inconvenience their own people?

Remember Ebola nurse? The one who, instead of quarantining herself at home like she was instructed by her employer (Doctors without Borders.... or common sense), was running around all over, in shopping malls and grocery stores.

The state department could have mandated that she (and all the other medical personnel returning from that region) be confined to quarantine at the port of entry before being allowed to leave.

But NOoooooooooooooooooooooo... that would be "stigmatizing."

CDC should have quarantined the gays, and shut down the bathhouses when AIDS broke out.

Actual CDC response: "Quit criticizing the fags, you heterosexuals are gonna get it to!!!!"

The permanent federal bureaucracy can't be killed off soon enough.

Blogger DonReynolds January 25, 2020 12:42 PM  

Yes, I remember the swine flu event. I was working for the state public health department in Nashville at the time. Our office in Grants Management was on the third floor of the Capitol Towers building and there was a blind stand/break room on the fifth floor, where people mixed freely. There were some unusual newcomers to the break room....Army officers in uniform. Being former regular Army, I would socialize with some of them during break times and lunches. Of course, the Public Health employees were very curious.

It turns out (and they were unusually closed-mouthed about it), they were from the biological warfare unit and they were here primarily to observe the swine flue immunization program and report back on any issues, problems, or bottlenecks. How could it be improved? What were the problems? Meaning...what would the Army do differently?

Today is the Chinese New Year. Happy New year everyone. Be careful you do not wash your hair today, since you will be washing away your good fortune in the year ahead. Wishing you ALL the very best in the exciting year ahead. Pull your chin strap tight.

If there is any practical purpose to evacuating 1,000 or so Americans from the hot zone, they certainly cannot be brought back to the USA mainland. Johnson Island is particularly lovely this time of year and there are any number of uninhabited islands in the Aleutians off the coast of Alaska....sea views, fishing and overly friendly wildlife, all day (and all night) sunshine six months of the year, cool breezes, and no pesky cellphone service to break the tranquility.

Blogger Akulkis January 25, 2020 12:53 PM  

"Problem is, if you look closely enough, the CDC tracks those "flu deaths" in the same pile as pneumonia deaths! So, if you get a bad cold with a lowered immune system and die of pneumonia? CDC calls you a *flu* death and tries, yet again, to push everyone to get flu vaccine, no matter how ineffective it is!"

That's because if you didn't get the flu, which makes your lungs ultra-susceptible to infection, you wouldn't have been infected and died of pneumonia.

Most pneumonia deaths are DIRECTLY the result of having been come down with the flu.

Think of it this way -- AIDS doesn't kill you, but it makes you easily killed by all sorts of things that would otherwise NEVER have the slightest chance of even giving you the sniffles, a headache, or a fever.

Yet we quite rightly attributed those deaths to HIV/AIDS/GRIDS*, not the weird diseases that were EXTREMELY rare, (example, Karposi's Sarcoma ... a cancer which is all but unheard of, even among gays and IV drug abusers, but it's rampant among those with AIDS.

* pick your favorite nomenclature.

Blogger Hammerli 280 January 25, 2020 1:02 PM  

Time to reread "The Andromeda Strain." Directive 7-12 might be called for. (very evil grin)

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums January 25, 2020 1:06 PM  

braq wrote:Even if that were true (which it can't possibly be, given that there are unknown and novel corona virii, as well as mutations) - do you have any clue how long it would take to manufacture hundreds of millions/billions of vaccinations?

Viruses are incredibly simple "things". The wiki said it only has 30 000 base pairs. Remove all the bp it has in common with all the other known coronaviruses and the number is lower still. You create a serum filled with coronaviruses, then add a bunch of enzymes with random bp attached to them, then take the serum and inject a population of rats, then see which rat dies, then isolate the virus from the dead rat knowing it's the most deadliest. Repeat this process over and over again until you get the most virulent strain.

The time it takes to manufacture hundreds of millions of vaccines is irrelevant when you release the virus after the manufacturing is complete. Offering the cure to the problem you've caused is what governments are best at.

Blogger Wazdakka January 25, 2020 1:09 PM  

I recommend the film "Contagion" . Its quite good. I think its the most accurate portrayal of a pandemic incident.
I'll start to worry when China shuts down communications. If that happens its time to max out your credit.

Blogger Crew January 25, 2020 1:15 PM  

The current, reported, death toll is about 3%, but they are probably lying about the numbers who have died from the virus.

Blogger Akulkis January 25, 2020 1:25 PM  

If there ends up being a huge die off, there will be surpluses of everything (including housing.)

Blogger Elder Son January 25, 2020 1:32 PM  

"The stage was set by the One Health Congress in 2011 (yes, the same year as Fukushima) and the next year began the annual Davos One Health forum to translate ideas into action. A cascade of invisible actors jumped on board including the USDA, World Bank, Bill Gates Grand Challenges, the National Park System, the US military is under One Health Command, and even the field of medicine, merging human and veterinary medicine through a Memorandum of Understanding, LINK, signed quietly in Thailand in November 2012.

Yes, the stage was set and all that was needed was the release of a bioweapon. What you need to keep foremost in your understanding is that Coronavirus is a zoonotic disease meaning that it can pass from animal to animal, animal to human, or human to human."

https://shepherdsheart.life/blogs/news/one-health-for-all-of-us

Blogger Geir Balderson January 25, 2020 1:55 PM  

"Why not simply declare those 1,000 citizens to be New Chinese, every bit as Chinese as the other residents of Wuhan, and leave them to bravely face the Mandate of Heaven with their fellow Chinese."

Thank you for the early morning laugh! Almost dropped my avocado toast on my latte.

And, yes, they are mainly politicians and woke folk, let then stew in a situation of their own making.

Blogger rumpole5 January 25, 2020 2:02 PM  

Wasn't Sars reported to infect Han Chinese only? Have any non Han contracted this new corona virus?

Blogger Laramie Hirsch January 25, 2020 2:35 PM  

Funny:

https://twitter.com/TheRalphRetort/status/1220581163800023040?s=20

Blogger justaguy January 25, 2020 2:53 PM  

We have a pretty good track record with the previous strains of this virus and while we haven't finished the genome (as of last night), the CDC know quite a bit about it. Scientists have studied this virus for years and while there are some unknowns-- and that is an issue-- but this is so far ahead of some unknown virus that hasn't been studied. I do not think that this is a Steven King novel-- at least not yet.

Blogger Ken Prescott January 25, 2020 4:29 PM  

I see what you did there

Blogger Linda Fox January 25, 2020 4:36 PM  

It would be unacceptable for the people there as representatives of their government to be forced to remain.
However, it should be MANDATORY for them to be quarantined for 2-3 weeks, minimum, before being permitted to mingle with Americans. That's 2-3 weeks without symptoms or other evidence of contamination.

Blogger God Emperor Memes January 25, 2020 4:40 PM  

Huh. I bought a copy of Pandemic just before Christmas. Time to crack it open.

Blogger Crew January 25, 2020 4:59 PM  

According to ZeroHedge, the Chinese authorities are hiding the true death toll by recording cause of death as viral pneumonia rather than CoV ...

Blogger Nate January 25, 2020 5:33 PM  

"What if they pass the quarantine and tests and have no place to live after? Looks like the sidewalk in front of Nates dwelling is prime real estate for his fellow displaced people."

Then you leave them in quarantine. You realize we're not talking about poor people here right?

Blogger Akulkis January 25, 2020 5:51 PM  

@54
"What if they pass the quarantine and tests and have no place to live after? Looks like the sidewalk in front of Nates dwelling is prime real estate for his fellow displaced people."

You do realize, I hope, that even WITHOUT their treasonous activities, U.S. Department of State employees are the most overpaid employees in the federal government. In contrast, the Marines who protect them when on foreign service are some of the most underpaid employees.

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums January 25, 2020 5:55 PM  

Crew wrote:According to ZeroHedge, the Chinese authorities are hiding the true death toll by recording cause of death as viral pneumonia rather than CoV ...

I smell bullshit.
Viral Pneumonia OR CoV? That's a false dichotomy. CoV infection is a subgroup of Viral Pneumonia.

Blogger Jim January 25, 2020 6:07 PM  

This is talk of quarantine is all horribly ignorant. Corona-chan is a hard working contagion from notoriously conservative China, making the infected a natural constituency for the Republican party. It will bring good paying jobs in the transportation, medical, decontamination, and morticiary industries. The benefits to GDP for allowing the infected to immigrate cannot be understated.

Blogger One Deplorable DT January 25, 2020 6:28 PM  

The first world needs some equivalent of the fictional 'prime directive' from Star Trek. If your nation has not achieved clearly specified levels of morality, behavior, and hygiene then we want nothing to do with you. No trade, no travel, no communication, no assistance, nothing.

China would still have a long way to go to join the club. Then again, so would California.

Blogger JovianStorm January 25, 2020 7:20 PM  

China will never dominate the world. I've talked about their upcoming Civil War before and events like these that cast a shadow of weakness on the Party are only incubating that revolution.

Blogger Akuma January 25, 2020 7:28 PM  

"You do realize, I hope, that even WITHOUT their treasonous activities, U.S. Department of State employees are the most overpaid employees in the federal government. In contrast, the Marines who protect them when on foreign service are some of the most underpaid employees."

Doesn't mean they won't end up homeless. They live paycheck to paycheck too. Well, the man-child ones probably don't because their Feminist Wife controls the purse strings.

Also, the Marines are treasonous too. They have a duty, by Oath, to defend the constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic. That Oath and Immutable Standing Order supercedes all others. That includes the protection of traitors.

Blogger Auriga January 25, 2020 7:54 PM  

Get as much Vitamin D as you can, as soon as possible. You can buy 5,000 IU capsules for daily use, 50,000 IU capsules for weekly use, and Vitamin D is also available in liquid form. Cod liver oil has Vitamin D, but the dose varies and is lower, typically 1,400 IU/tablespoon. Buy whichever type you prefer, or whatever is available if a run starts on Vitamin D:
https://vitamindwiki.com/Reduce+probability+of+getting+the+Flu
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/02/170216110002.htm
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2870688/

Vitamin D is fat soluble, and actually stays in your body for months. Some of the Vitamin D you produced from summer sunlight is still in your body. Even though you have some Vitamin D in your body, more is better. While a flu is circulating, like now, you should take around 5,000 IU per day. Vitamin D on its own, after long use without Vitamin K2, unfortunately leads to arterial calcification:
https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/on-the-trail-of-the-elusive-x-factor-a-sixty-two-year-old-mystery-finally-solved/

When taking Vitamin D you should also get Vitamin K2, natto, goose liver paste and butter oil from grass fed cows are good natural sources, but the dose varies widely and is much more expensive than from capsules or liquid. Vitamin K2 in capsules or liquid is available in either the menaquinone-7 (MK7) form or the menaquinone-4 (MK4) form, the MK7 form is currently more common. A common dose for MK7 is 120 mcg/day, a common dose for MK4 is 3 mg/day (3,000 mcg/day). Vitamin K2 MK7 is also available in some multivitamins, like Garden of Life Vitamin Code for Men/Women, Naturelo One Daily/Whole Food for Men/Women, Nature's Way Alive Max Potency, Now Foods Adam Men's/Eve Women's Multivitamin, and Rainbow Light Men/Women's One. To find more choices, check if a multivitamin has at least 80 mcg/day of Vitamin K2 MK7, top rated vitamins often do:
https://labdoor.com/rankings/multivitamins

If you get side effects from the common dose of Vitamin K2, use a lower dose and/or the alternate form. If you can not get Vitamin K2 immediately, don't wait until you get it before taking Vitamin D, arterial calcification takes years to form, the flu can kill in days.

Ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) is an excellent way to treat the flu if you get it. However, because it has a short half life in the body, depending on how you measure it from half an hour to several hours, it is mediocre as a preventative, because for full preventative effect you would have to take it several times a day. As Avalanche said liposomal ascorbic acid is an effective form of ascorbic acid. If you get the flu, keep taking the Vitamin D and also take raw ascorbic acid powder, along with liposomal ascorbic acid. Buy a lot of ascorbic acid right now, preferably at least several pounds of the raw powder, and an equivalent dollar amount of liposomal ascorbic acid, or make the liposomal form yourself, because to treat the flu you need a lot, also you may need some for your family and friends.

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Blogger John Rockwell January 25, 2020 7:56 PM  

This is why. Aliens havent visited.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 25, 2020 8:26 PM  

Akuma wrote:Also, the Marines are treasonous too.
Shut your whore mouth.Your opinion is neither desired nor useful.

Blogger Crew January 25, 2020 8:28 PM  

Message to China: The story "7 Kill Tiger" was not a how-to manual!

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 25, 2020 8:37 PM  

Let us not expect salvation in a world so bereft of grace.

Blogger Akulkis January 25, 2020 8:54 PM  

@ Akuma

"Also, the Marines are treasonous too."

That is the most retarded thing I have read in the last 10 years. Probably even longer, but I eventually forget retarded statements, because, well, they're retarded.

I might make fun of Marines for having learned how to read their own names only a few years ago, but never in my life would I accuse even one Marine of being a traitor without specif, concrete, non-circumstantial evidence.

I would sooner believe that a general in (my) U.S. Army is a traitor than any U.S. Marine while still in the service of this country.

Simply put, people who have that sort of character flaw don't join the Marines in the first place... and were it to develop while in the service, they are the type would get out at the soonest opportunity, which is generally long before they would have any chance of actually committing any act of treason.

Traitors generally avoid hardship -- it's part of the constellation of character traits. I cannot see any traitorous person enduring the sorts of hardship that Marines put up with... and that is ALL of them, even those whose rank is measured in stars.

An general in the army can get away with working in an office while his brigade is out in the field, coming out to show his face around, but he and his staff living in nice hard buildings, with electricity and running water. A Marine corps General can't get away with that while putting his brigade or division in the field on an exercise and still keep the respect of their men. If a Marine general not working out of tents, and living out of tents (or less) like his men, he loses the confidence of the NCOs, and in any fighting organization that isn't called "air force," if the NCOs don't support you, you are in charge of nobody and nothing.

What kind of man or woman endures that kind of life for something he doesn't believe in?

Blogger Elder Son January 25, 2020 9:08 PM  

@83 "Also, the Marines are treasonous too."

What you had: A republic, if you can keep it. – Benjamin Franklin

How to keep it: The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure. – Thomas Jefferson

No one wants to shovel manure.

P.S. You is not Marines.

Blogger jeffinjapan January 25, 2020 9:37 PM  

Fear porn for the masses. And like all porn...don’t watch it.

Blogger Saint January 25, 2020 9:40 PM  

Is it time for the 95% depopulation the Prometheans have been planning since the Protocols?

Neat! With any luck the game will end and I can kick it with my bros in Heaven.

Blogger Primus Pilus January 25, 2020 9:47 PM  

New York Times is already out in front of the narrative, declaring that all talk of limiting immigration from or quarantining China is "White Supremacy."

Blogger Shane Bradman January 25, 2020 9:51 PM  

I was considering going to China but that's not such a good idea after all.

@90. The Freemason ideals of the Founding Fathers failed because they were bad ideals. They didn't even last a hundred years before Abraham Lincoln spat all over them.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 25, 2020 10:22 PM  

Slagging on US Marines is off topic. It's also incredibly gamma. Calling US Marines traitors is also dishonest and incredibly gamma.
Knock it off.
No, don't bother to defend your statements.

Blogger Hammerli 280 January 25, 2020 11:17 PM  

@89: One thing about the USAF...if you're a rated pilot, the enlisted troops salute smartly as you go off to fight. Give them that much.

Blogger tdcommenter January 25, 2020 11:19 PM  

@93 I used to think that globe trotting & living in different countries was a status symbol or class identifier. Now, I'm starting to see that the act of travel itself is a sort of pilgrimage for these globalists that reaffirms their desire for a lack of a nation to root them. That would explain the apparent hypocrisy regarding the carbon produces by travel, the anger at travel restrictions even in the face of pandemics, and the rage at the anti-vaxxers. The vaccines help to assuage their fears regarding disease.

@94 Probably not. With 1B+ population, life is valued cheaply in PRC & India.

Plus one more addition to the literature pile: Edgar Allen Poe's "Masque of Red Death". That one sent shivers up my spine as a teen.

Blogger Crew January 26, 2020 12:10 AM  

I have just heard that a lot of Chinese college students have just come back to the US after going back to China in mid to late December.

There is a very good chance that one or more has brought back nCoV with them.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 26, 2020 12:46 AM  

"Fear porn for the masses. And like all porn...don’t watch it."

Yes, let's just all... close our eyes. Nothing is happening. Nothing is happening. This isn't happening. Are you sure you aren't Chinese yourself?

Like all incoming information from people you don't know personally and trust, if you're given to consume, consume with salt. Ignorance may be bliss for you personally, but it's still ignorance, and contrary to the moronic axiom, what you don't know are the primary things that hurt you if you aren't self-destructive.

Blogger Scuzzaman January 26, 2020 1:17 AM  

Look on the bright side; we get to add corona virus to the list of things that were going to kill us all and didn’t.

Blogger sammibandit January 26, 2020 1:19 AM  

Contagion was okay but for my tastes a bit too much like the young childhood game Hold my hand until I die. It's watched out of familiarity and listlessness. It's also an extended version of that game. We're talking about the same movie, right? The one with a romance subplot?

Blogger God Emperor Memes January 26, 2020 2:41 AM  

I remember seeing this laughable bit of propaganda when I was a kid: https://youtu.be/U219eUIZ7Qo
Even then, we all knew AIDS was almost exclusively a disease of gays and/or intravenous drug users.

Blogger LAZ January 26, 2020 3:07 AM  

"The same reason gays weren't quarantined when AIDS broke out. The Promethean elite doesn't actually care about saving lives."

They don't care how many people are left or how poisoned the environment is as long as they get to rule.

Blogger Lazarus January 26, 2020 5:24 AM  

Crew wrote:I have just heard that a lot of Chinese college students have just come back to the US after going back to China in mid to late December.

There is a very good chance that one or more has brought back nCoV with them.


Hmmm. A plague in the dens of marxian lunacy. That'll hard-right a few folks.

"But I thought you believed in open borders!"

Blogger John Rockwell January 26, 2020 8:53 AM  

Lazarus wrote:Crew wrote:I have just heard that a lot of Chinese college students have just come back to the US after going back to China in mid to late December.

There is a very good chance that one or more has brought back nCoV with them.


Hmmm. A plague in the dens of marxian lunacy. That'll hard-right a few folks.

"But I thought you believed in open borders!"


Closed border liberals will still be liberal in everything else. Just as pro 2nd Amendment Antifa exist.

Blogger Avalanche January 26, 2020 9:09 AM  

@62 "if you didn't get the flu, which makes your lungs ultra-susceptible to infection, you wouldn't have been infected and died of pneumonia."

Do you think that the major pathway to pneumonia is flu-and-only-flu?! Many people get pneumonia under debilitation from many of the immune-compromising illnesses. Some without any preceding illness. Most of the pneumonia deaths are "reported" as flu-related, but almost NONE of those folks actually were tested for the flu virus.

"Pneumonia may be caused by viral infections, bacterial infections, or fungi; less frequently by other causes. The most common bacterial type that causes pneumonia is Streptococcus pneumoniae."

"This type of pneumonia can occur on its own or after you've had a cold or the flu."

If you have a bad cold -- or a slight cold or even NO cold -- you can still come down with pneumonia. I 'got' pneumonia once without any cold or illness preceding. (Yes, actual pneumonia, diagnosed by chest x-ray.) Yes, N=1, but pneumonia is often 'called' the result of being sick with flu, but the influenza virus is not actually tested for or found. They call it flu, but don't know if it really was flu.)

"Most cases of flu never lead to pneumonia, but those that do tend to be more severe and deadly. In fact, flu and pneumonia were the eighth leading cause of death in the United States in 2016."

Let me state that again: "Most cases of flu never lead to pneumonia."

"flu and pneumonia ...eighth leading cause" =/= actually *diagnosed* with flu. It mostly means they "died of pneumonia" -- and MOST of those folks were never actually medically determined to have flu.

So, be sure to run out and get your "gambler's flu vaccine" right away! Then, pray the CDC guessed correctly a year ago which viruses would step up into the batter's box! Good luck!

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 26, 2020 10:27 AM  

Fuzzums Wuzzums wrote:You can treat viral infections with literally anything because viral infections require no treatment to cure in a healthy person.
You missed my point: in the 1920s, doctors were reporting they couuld cure a viral infection in 2- days, versus 7+ days without the IV ascorbic acid.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 26, 2020 10:38 AM  

Avalanche wrote:So, be sure to run out and get your "gambler's flu vaccine" right away! Then, pray the CDC guessed correctly a year ago which viruses would step up into the batter's box! Good luck!
Even if the CDC guessed right, it doesn't mean the vaccine works. Even if the vaccine generally works, it doesn't mean it works in you - immune compromised folks don't respond well to immunization, just for one example of that.
Even if unfortunate side effcts are very rare, you might be one of the rare few who wish they'd settled for mere flue.

If you are generally healthy, you should probobly avoid most vaccinations, except smallpox, polio, tetnus and a few others.

Blogger Crew January 26, 2020 11:16 AM  

And now the Mayor of Wuhan expects 1,000+ new cases. Is that just today? Will it be 2,000+ tomorrow?

Pretty soon they are going to run out of materials to build hospitals with.

Blogger YIH January 26, 2020 1:14 PM  

Re: Coronavirus

1) Its family includes SARS.
2) Treat it like FluBola and you'll do fine.
3) It's got about a 5% fatality rate (compared to 66-80% for Ebola virus).
4) It's about ten times easier to catch than Ebola.
5) Wash your hands, and if it gets nearby, disposable gloves and a N95 mask should suffice.
6) If it becomes a transplanted epidemic, stay home if you can, and minimize contact if you can't.
7) Wash your hands before you eat or drink, and don't touch your face.
8) Wash your hands.
Agreed with leaving US citizens/diplomats in Wuhan until this mess sorts out. Sucks for them, but would suck more if they come here.
BTW, this edition of the Pro Bowl might actually be somewhat watchable for a change.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 26, 2020 2:13 PM  

If/Then exercise:
-More than ten times easier to catch IF it can effectively go airborne. Airborne via transparent nanoscale snot droplets is nowhere near as easy to detect, stop, or avoid as the massive haemorrhaging and crimson stains that Ebola needs to propagate.
-5% is infinitely more deadly than Ebola to people who won't see Ebola within miles of them within their lifetime. We've known about Ebola for decades. It's killed exactly zero people I know. This is statistically going to kill several people I know IF it gets here while actualizing that fatality rate.

Blogger Dave W. January 26, 2020 2:53 PM  

Saw on NHK World news today that Honda is evacuating their Japanese employees (about 30) and their families back to Japan.

Blogger mrpinks January 26, 2020 9:42 PM  

What better way for the US government to get ahold of the virus and the test to see if the origins were man made (a Chinese biological weapon or naturally occurring)?

Blogger Saint January 27, 2020 12:37 AM  

You've been lied to. The Chinese government doesn't quarantine 65 million people and destroy every road and railway going into and out of 21 big cities over a case of the sniffles.

A bioweapon designed to end the human race was released in China last November. The virus has a three day incubation phase, followed by one to two weeks of ASYMPTOMATIC transmission of a SARS variant carrier flu. Two weeks after contact the victim has severe flu symptoms and will rush to the hospital. 7 days after symptoms appear, the actual bioweapon activates, filling the lungs with fluid. At this point it's a race to see which of the multiple viruses attacking the lungs, heart, liver, and brain strikes the fatal blow.

This virus has an r0=3.8, and has already been spotted around the world.

It cannot be contained. Hundreds of millions will die by August 1st.

Did anyone mention the 40km wide locust swarms ravaging East Africa, and Iran's attack on the US yesterday?

Repent for the end is nigh.

Blogger Saint January 27, 2020 1:41 AM  

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/26/coronavirus-link-china-biowarfare-program-possible/

Blogger Scuzzaman January 27, 2020 9:36 AM  

81 people dead in a population of more than a billion and already we’re all going to die.

Again?

I ain’t buying.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 27, 2020 10:25 AM  

Scuzzaman wrote:81 people dead in a population of more than a billion and already we’re all going to die.

Again?

I ain’t buying.

Number Infected=A0e^(kt), where k=3.8.

You ain't gotta buy it, it's FER FREE! whether you like it or not.

If the k-value is correct, this is going to grow way faster than ebola or flue, and Western countries won't implement effective quarantine because dat wayciss.

Blogger Akulkis January 27, 2020 11:23 AM  

"81 people dead in a population of more than a billion and already we’re all going to die.
Again?
I ain’t buying."

Do you remember all the hoopla over the previous disease outbreaks?

This already has more deaths (and that's just using the numbers that the Chinese Communist Party is admitting to) and the media is UNDERSELLING the story.

Now, being a logical man such a you are, what does this tell you?

Blogger OneWingedShark January 27, 2020 12:09 PM  

Solon wrote:What's your move? Think like a Chinese.
Publicly announce that there's a cure in India?

Zaklog the Great wrote:@6 The same reason gays weren't quarantined when AIDS broke out. The Promethean elite doesn't actually care about saving lives.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing when Zika was a big crisis in Central America and my wife and I were hoping to get pregnant. Why couldn't they quarantine people from an area likely to be infected? Because our well-being really isn't a priority to those in charge.

Mass death is a feature, not a bug, to these evil people.

RedJack wrote:At this point, it is in every continent. Not sure what to do but pray, prepare, and pray
An excellent plan, I especially like that you put pray both before and after prepare — most prudent.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 27, 2020 12:10 PM  

Even if dat weren't waaaaiciss, k=3.8 isn't going to be quarantined given its supposed incubation period and asymptomatic carriers. Realistically, we're not disciplined enough to implement the necessary strictures, and even if we were, too many people are selfish and/or malicious a**holes who would circumvent these "obviously not serious, fascist" rules.

That being said, 3.8 is the upper end of what I've seen said, and haven't seen anyone say north of 5% fatality, which would absolutely suck, but not be the end of the world. Just better hope you don't have any other life threatening medical issues while the rush is on.

Watching people vacillate and out their hypochondria or self-righteous beliefs that nothing can go wrong, that's entertaining.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 27, 2020 12:44 PM  

Azure, even 2.0 is a pretty high reproduction rate. 3.anything is crazy high. The chinks are calling it 5% fatality rate, but they are almost surely playing games with the official statistics to get it that low. I'm guessing 10% to 15% is more likely. This isn't Black Death or fluebola, but in the worst case it could be worse than the 1918 flue. I lost two aunts to that one, that I know of.

Blogger Deus Vult January 27, 2020 3:17 PM  

Make no mistake the rebellious one is bringing war to the saints. God bless you Christian Brothers & Sisters in China.
Do not despair - If He is with us who can be against us?
https://thefederalist.com/2020/01/07/xis-china-ends-2019-with-the-worst-religious-persecution-in-the-countrys-history/

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 27, 2020 9:58 PM  

"Azure, even 2.0 is a pretty high reproduction rate. 3.anything is crazy high."

You're saying the same thing I am.

Blogger Scuzzaman January 28, 2020 12:48 AM  

Because that’s what the media do, they always undersell every panic-driven mania the disease-mongers dreamed up yesterday.

You’re quoting statistics from sources that have lied to you about everything and you want me to tell you what that tells me?

It tells me you’re naive at best.

Just by the by, Wuhan has the worst industrial pollution in China, which means it’s probably the worst in the world, and the people of Wuhan have been dying of various lung diseases for years.

But go ahead, join the panic chorus of doom if that’s what does it for you.

I’m still not buying. It’s possible that something really dangerous is going on but so far there’s no good reason to think so.

The only question I have is, when this panic fades into nothing and we all go back to worrying about the mortgage, will you have learned anything, or will you do this same song and dance routine next time?

Blogger Akulkis January 28, 2020 3:13 PM  

@124

"Because that’s what the media do, they always undersell every panic-driven mania the disease-mongers dreamed up yesterday."

Bzzzt! Wrong. You don't pay much attention to what's happening, do you?

First of all, that statement if flat out FALSE.

1. It doesn't sell newspapers.
2. It doesn't keep viewers from changing the channel.
3. It doesn't get web clicks.

Every other disease (except maybe Ebola) from recent decades has been hyped as if it's on the verge of becoming a modern day black plague.

In the 70's, there was hysteria about "Swine Flu". Medical facilities were sent trans-dermal systems that shoot the serum through the skin by pure air pressure, so that each nurse could do more innoculations per hour (and this was before AIDS, so it was no uncommon to use the same needle on multiple patients... the health authorities were looking to eliminate the time needed to draw out each dose from the serum vials. Before AIDS, I never saw a nurse unwrap a brand new syringe and needle, let alone dispose of one, (and after giving a single injection, no less!) Before AIDS came along, it was common to use one needle for 2 or 3 different serum bottles and/or several kids. My entire school district of kids, with 2 high schools of over 1500 students each, plus 4 junior high schools, and about 20 elementary schools were all inoculated in one day, as teachers and parents car-pooled us from school to a section of the gym at the newer high school (large enough for 4 basketball courts) where the equipment was set up. Each injection gun was doing about 10 of use per minute students, teachers, and car pool drivers. Likewise, General Motors, Ford, and Chrysler, did similar teams visit all of their plants for mass innoculations. Despite all of that, some people did get infected with the Swine Flu, and I never heard a report of a single one of them dying.

Around 1980, we were being told that EVERYBODY was in dire risk of contracting AIDS (so quit pointing fingers at the gays and saying they deserve it, you bigots!!!11!).

One over-hyped false alarm after another. Then about 10 years ago, the CDC, or may WHO, redefined the word "pandemic" to mean any widespread infection, with no notion of severity of symptoms, death rate among those infected, ease of transmission (or ease of preventing transmission) or lingering effects (such as permanent blindness or deafness caused by damage) after patient's immune system has defeated the infectious agent. So we were flooded with reports of diseases milder than the common cold being ballyhooed by the press as "pandemics", despite the only effects being a fever for a day or two, but not even headaches, muscle aches, fatigue, or gastro-intestinal effects.

Now we are faced with something that has all the makings of an actual pandemic. It's lethal. After the initial incubation, it has an asymptomatic (and therefore latent) communicable phase of substantial duration before symptoms occur, and on top of all that, it originated in a city next to not one, but two level-4 biowarfare research facilities, and so could very well likely be deliberately engineered to be both highly contagious and have a high lethality rate.

(End of Part 1)

Blogger Akulkis January 28, 2020 3:14 PM  

(Part 2 of 2)

But this time, it's different.

Now we have a disease that is causing the Chinese to build 4,000 bed hospitals in 3 days, locking down entire cities, sending in water trucks to spray entire cities with disinfecting agent, even bulldozing short sections of railway track and highways to prevent any vehicles from violating the quarantines, and so far, 50,000,000 (that the CCP admits to) of their population are prohibited from leaving their cities.

And this time, the press is saying, "oh, it's like the flu. It's over there. Don't worry," while completely ignoring the topic of the latent contagious stage of viral illnesses, in which the carrier can spread the disease while still not showing any sign of infection combined with international air travel, which allows a person with a latent infection to travel to the other side of the planet within a day.

This thing is already showing up among the Chinese students at various colleges and universities in the U.S., which was 100% predictable.

The main stream press THRIVES on generating fear and exaggerating risks to the general public.

This virus is causing people to literally collapse while going about their business. Video are coming out of China showing people collapsed on the ground ... on sidewalks, in public transportation stations and airports... people being transported encased in a plastic bubble. There's a video of someone wearing a full level-4 bio-protection suite walking down a hospital hallway, which is crowded with two things -- numerous extra chairs for patients suffering from this disease (apparently they've already displayed symptoms, so there is no effort to shield them from each other, or anything else on the corridor), and wherever there aren't any chairs or doorways, there are cadavers wrapped in white sheets or linen mattress cases. Easily 100 people... patients, in one hallway of one hospital. There's no knowing how many are in bed and cots in the rooms along the hallway, as the camera wasn't aimed into any of them.

Now with this disease, the pattern of the last 50 years or so is broken. Instead of over-hyping the situation per usual, this time, they are understating the severity, repeating only the fraudulently low numbers coming out of the Chinese government, which are easily contradicted by the videos showing hospital hallways literally littered with corpses. If there are videos showing corpses in hospital hallways; that means the morgue in the basement is already full.

And instead of occurring in a country of mostly poor people trapped where they are, like the Ebola and flesh-eating bacteria outbreaks, this one is coming from a country which just sent millions of students to college and university campuses all over the planet.

And yet, the major networks are avoiding showing these facts and evidence to the public.

Why?

Now, once again, WHY is our press DEPARTING from their usual pattern of behavior, and severely underselling an obvious risk?

Something tells me that the "reduce the Earth's Population to less than 50,000,000" as written as a warning to the public on the "Georgia Guidestones" might have something to do with the curious behavior of our press.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 28, 2020 3:33 PM  

"You’re quoting statistics from sources that have lied to you about everything"

Not quoting them as if we're certain. Maybe you're unable to entertain uncertainties, I don't know, but we are able. Either find better information that contradicts it or your words are wasted. My ballpark runs everywhere from "there isn't even a nCorona virus, we're being sold a yarn for some reason", to "it's the end of the world as we know it". It'll narrow as I develop faith in my sources, where that is possible.

"But go ahead, join the panic chorus of doom if that’s what does it for you."

What you think we're doing and what we're doing don't happen to be the same thing. Keeping your projections inside your head a bit longer might benefit you.

Blogger OneWingedShark January 28, 2020 4:03 PM  

Akulkis wrote:And instead of occurring in a country of mostly poor people trapped where they are, like the Ebola and flesh-eating bacteria outbreaks, this one is coming from a country which just sent millions of students to college and university campuses all over the planet.

And yet, the major networks are avoiding showing these facts and evidence to the public.

Why?

Now, once again, WHY is our press DEPARTING from their usual pattern of behavior, and severely underselling an obvious risk?

You might be right about the guidestones… but there's another aspect: "Muh Economy!!" — what you've described would be the perfect motivation/excuse to ban all travel to/from China, to include imported and exported goods. ('Exported' because we don't want ship crews bringing it to us when they return; 'imported' is obvious.)

Blogger Scuzzaman January 28, 2020 4:49 PM  

Akulkis
Your sarcasm detector circuit is broken. The rest of your bullshit is irrelevant.

Azure
Funny, you're quite certain about some things after all, eh?

How about these words:

"We discovered through our FOI efforts that before the CDC mysteriously stopped counting Swine Flu cases, they had learned that almost none of the cases they had counted as Swine Flu was, in fact, Swine Flu or any sort of flu at all!"

Do they make you feel "better"?

For fuck's sake.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 28, 2020 5:33 PM  

In the 1976 swine flu outbreak, 40-45 million were vaccinated, about 500 developed Guillain-Barré syndrome, of whom 25 died.
The flu itself claimed one life, the initial case, a soldier at Ft Dix.
Vaccination guns were already a thing, and in common use at schools in the mid 1960s. And yes disposable needles were also already in common use
The overhyped public response shook loose $135MM from Congress, so there's that.

Blogger Akulkis January 29, 2020 1:15 AM  

"Your sarcasm detector circuit is broken. The rest of your bullshit is irrelevant."

Haven't you heard yet?
Sarcasm does not convey well in text.
That's why the pseudo-tag was invented.

It't not our fault you don't know how to communicate.

Blogger Akulkis January 29, 2020 1:18 AM  


"We discovered through our FOI efforts that before the CDC mysteriously stopped counting Swine Flu cases, they had learned that almost none of the cases they had counted as Swine Flu was, in fact, Swine Flu or any sort of flu at all!"

Do they make you feel "better"?


Thank you for your brilliant confirmation that the Swine Flu was ballyhooed far in disproportion to the actual threat.

Blogger Scuzzaman January 29, 2020 6:19 AM  

As I stated previously, it’s entirely possible that something truly dangerous is happening. There’s just no good reason to think so. (Yet).

It’s not my fault you only see what you want to see.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 29, 2020 6:52 AM  

"Funny, you're quite certain about some things after all, eh?

How about these words:

"We discovered through our FOI efforts that before the CDC mysteriously stopped counting Swine Flu cases, they had learned that almost none of the cases they had counted as Swine Flu was, in fact, Swine Flu or any sort of flu at all!"

Do they make you feel "better"?"


Where did I say anything about swine flu? Are you unable to discern that there is no necessary logical connection in your reasoning? There's isn't even a probable logical connection. You're just wrong and stupid and unable to shut up.

Blogger Scuzzaman January 29, 2020 7:33 AM  

Well that’s very convenient n all, but it’s not an argument.

Duly noted.

There’s no logical connection between decades of failed doomsday scenarios ginned up by fake epidemiological methods n statistics, idiotic and corrupt media, and the latest viral virus hysteria.

If you say so.

I remain unconvinced until such time as better evidence is presented, precisely as I first stated, and almost exactly what you previously claimed.

But sure, I have problems communicating.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 29, 2020 3:47 PM  

"I remain unconvinced until such time as better evidence is presented, precisely as I first stated, and almost exactly what you previously claimed."

Why, you retard, are you so convinced that any of us are convinced? You shouldn't be.

Blogger Scuzzaman January 30, 2020 12:13 AM  

Show me where I said you are convinced.

But akulkis is claiming that travel to China is an elevated risk of mortality, so that implies he’s convinced of something.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 30, 2020 11:58 AM  

"Show me where I said you are convinced."

"It tells me you’re naive at best."
"Funny, you're quite certain about some things after all, eh?"
"It’s not my fault you only see what you want to see."
~You, responding to if/then statements.

"akulkis is claiming that travel to China is an elevated risk of mortality"

+0.000000000000001% is still elevated, just not very much. Now, pipe down, retard.

Blogger Daniel January 30, 2020 8:48 PM  

NNT is worried. He claims an r0 = 5. That scared me

Blogger Daniel January 30, 2020 9:17 PM  

NNT says it is 5

Blogger Scuzzaman January 31, 2020 5:59 AM  

and now you’re lying.

Must be almost time to declare victory.

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