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Friday, January 10, 2020

Too short and too dishonest for the ride

People often ask me to work with, or publish, or link to, or otherwise support various individuals who are more or less on the ideological Right. And, of course, that has been something that we've tried repeatedly to do since we founded Castalia House. The problem, as we have learned over time, is that most people are simply too stupid, too short-sighted, too narcissistic, too independent, or too dishonest to be worth assisting.

The Z-man is not entirely devoid of ideas, and I have occasionally linked to his more insightful posts, but the following comment should suffice to demonstrate why he's simply not someone that anyone can take seriously as an intellectual or even a commentator. Keep in mind that this is a comment on a post dedicated to declaring that he is the one pure soul worthy of support in a dissident swamp of grifters.
thezman
There was never a lawsuit against Indiegogo. Court filings are public records. For starters, in such a dispute the attorney will look at the contract you signed. He will see there is a dispute resolution process and ask you if you initiated that process. If not, then you will need to do that first. Once that is done and you are not satisfied, he will tell you that the next step is arbitration. Getting a judge to set aside an arbitration clause in a contract is extremely difficult and mostly pointless.

The bottom line is Indiegogo canceled the project, gave the people their money back and that was it. There was no lawsuit. No class action. No arbitration. Nothing.
The combination of ignorance, stupidity, envy, and gamma posturing would be difficult to top without resorting to the visual medium of YouTube. It doesn't even rise to the level of a clueless mainstream political reporter. Nevertheless, don't correct him. Don't set the record straight. Don't provide him with any proof of what actually happened at all - and I know that literally hundreds of you have it in your possession. Just let his statement stand for the record until October 11, 2021.

And keep it in mind the next time you ask me why I regard right-wing mediocrities like the Z-man with undisguised contempt and refuse to have anything to do with his kind. Many, if not most, of the so-called "grifters" he decries are not only smarter and harder-working than he is, they are more accomplished and far more worthy of your trust.

Meanwhile, it's good to see that others on the Right are discovering lawfare can be an effective way to strike back at the weaponized media:
Peter Brimelow, an anti-immigration activist who hosts a website that has published the writings of white supremacists, is suing The New York Times for $5 million for labeling him an “open white nationalist” in an article last year.

The characterization of Brimelow that triggered the libel lawsuit appeared in a Jan. 15, 2019 article by Times political reporter Trip Gabriel that offered a chronology of racist and inflammatory comments by Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa)....

“We stand by the story and will vigorously defend,” Times spokeswoman Eileen Murphy said.
One of these days, we're going to have to put together a class action against Wikipedia and other media sites used to seed the never-ending slander and libel. This is a good time to go after the media because they no longer have the resources to defend themselves as both their circulations and their revenues are declining.

UPDATE: This response by a Z-maniac is more than a little amusing, considering our complete lack of interest in what any of them happen to think about me or anything else:
This is how a cult leader reassures the faithful: Denigrate the faithless to instill self-righteous superiority within the cult so that they dismiss any counterclaims without thought. Real evidence is no longer necessary. A measured response is to link to evidence or acknowledge that a sealed arbitration leaves room for skepticism.
Notice how the gammas always love to theorize and posture in the complete absence of information. They project their own lack of knowledge as well as their inability to not blurt out everything they know to everyone else. The idea that someone who genuinely possesses the conclusive evidence might not care what they believe is simply beyond their imagination. Sometimes the cult's superiority is real. And as cults go, it's quite affordable.

I just thought this was an excellent opportunity to demonstrate to everyone who is in the know that an occasional anklebiter is both a fool and a liar. There is no need to prove it to those who are dumb enough to take him seriously; they will simply move the goalposts anyhow. If they mattered, we'd prove it to them. But they don't.

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89 Comments:

Blogger Balkan Yankee January 10, 2020 1:06 PM  

The price of fake news is too damn low!

Blogger Laramie Hirsch January 10, 2020 1:06 PM  

I adore this new front. This is so excellent.

Blogger tublecane January 10, 2020 1:23 PM  

In the news world "white nationalist" is a bit like "holocaust denier," in the sense that all it takes is believing only 5,999,999 corpses were burnt to fit the bill. If you don't enthusiastically applaud the ethnic cleansing of whites from their ancestral homelands...well, you know.

Don't know about a court of law, on the other hand.

I was banned from the Z-blog a while back and barely remember the quality. But there are probably a hundred blogs better, even in this age of scarce bloggage.

Blogger Alex January 10, 2020 1:27 PM  

Z Man has some good posts and podcasts, but he tends to lash out at anyone more successful than he is. His hate-boner for Cernovich comes to mind . . .

Blogger tuberman January 10, 2020 1:29 PM  

The accusation of being a "grifter" by people like Z-man is typical projection.

I agree with @1, @2, taking on the Fake News with Lawfare is the best yet.

Blogger Out of Nod January 10, 2020 1:37 PM  

Yeah, I saw the Zman posting about this on Gab a week or so ago...had the urge to set him straight but thought better of it - he's obviously too busy to pay attention. Don't know why he felt the need to target you or Owen all of a sudden as you have posted a few articles of his in the last year and I thought he might have something interesting to say.

These edgy influencers come off as wanting to build their kingdoms at the expense of someone else.

Blogger Dani January 10, 2020 1:45 PM  

October 15, 2021 or
Oct 11, 2021?

I had a reminder set up to make sure I don't miss on the details.

Blogger pdwalker January 10, 2020 1:46 PM  

as someone who was affected by the indiegogo issue, i can assure the doubters that the misunderstanding was resolved amicably to the satisfaction of all parties involved.

so much so, that i have every confidence in recommending their services in future funding campaigns.

i’d call that a win for everyone and that’s the way business should be.

and VD and his ELOE predicted this positive outcome to the letter.

Blogger mgh January 10, 2020 2:06 PM  

I follow ZMan on Gab and made the mistake of trying to gently correct a couple of his statements about Vox. It quickly became obvious that he has a strong gamma streak when it comes to Vox so I just ignore his over the top gamma proclamations he makes about VD, BB and anyone else. He can occasionally be insightful on his blog, but Gab seems to bring out the snarky gamma.

Blogger Noah B. January 10, 2020 2:09 PM  

This will provide Z man a much needed lesson about when to just shut up.

Blogger Christian Schulzke January 10, 2020 2:16 PM  

I could never understand why Z Man has such a hard on for Vox. He made a recent comment that Vox isn't part if "Our Thing" which tells me he doesnt think of Vox as being on the Dissident Right...which is odd.

Blogger Wario's Mart January 10, 2020 2:18 PM  

It just seems bizarre to deny there were legal proceedings. I'm more and more astounded by this Gamma personality type every day.

Blogger Jake January 10, 2020 2:20 PM  

I have to admit, the Zman always left me cold. He had some OK to better-than-OK essays, but he always seems to stop short of something inspiring or a call-to-action or hope. Just sort of a middling intellect that was afraid to make bigger connections. I'm no super-genius myself, but I just didn't get into him like I did a real genius such as Anonymous Conservative or Vox.

Blogger Eincrou January 10, 2020 2:22 PM  

Yes, the Z-man has a bizarre vendetta against all dissident right people who show their faces, especially the live streamers. He believes that people who do this are weirdos and attention seekers.

I corrected the Z-man on Gab a few weeks ago when he incorrectly implied that Vox Day wanted an "essay contest" with Little Nicky Kitty Baby because he was afraid of getting rekt in a live debate:

https://i.imgur.com/huZ6cg6.png

Surprisingly, I had to open that Gab message in a private browser window to be able to see Z-man's original post. I also can't see any posts on his profile page when logged into my Gab account. Has the Z-man done whatever Gab's equivalent of blocking is? As you can see, all I did was quote from Vox Day's third debate challenge with no commentary of my own.

Surely he wouldn't block a person for sharing relevant first-hand source information?

Blogger Freeholder January 10, 2020 2:22 PM  

Someone doesn't understand how this works. Really strong cases often get settled before filing a lawsuit. It is the weak cases that have to go to trial.

Blogger Bibliotheca Servare January 10, 2020 2:33 PM  

Question: does the indiegogo thing qualify one as a "rubble bouncer" or did we have to participate in the redo/do-over?

Blogger Goodnight January 10, 2020 2:41 PM  

I've been following Vox for the better part of two decades and have supported his ventures when I could. One of the main reasons I've stuck around so long is that Vox has ALWAYS done what he said he'll do.

Blogger VD January 10, 2020 2:42 PM  

does the indiegogo thing qualify one as a "rubble bouncer"

In the specific context of that one reference, it refers to a specific subset of the people who backed Alt-Hero. If you didn't receive an email, don't worry about it. Everything is under control.

Blogger VD January 10, 2020 2:43 PM  

He made a recent comment that Vox isn't part if "Our Thing"

Fine by me. He's definitely not part of ours.

Blogger Ska_Boss January 10, 2020 2:45 PM  

Ultimately they have Zoe Quinn to thank for all this.

Blogger Warunicorn January 10, 2020 2:46 PM  

WTH is an "open white nationalist"?

I look forward to the time that the New York Times bites it. Ann Coulter was right; on 9/11, the terrorists got the wrong building.

Blogger mgh January 10, 2020 2:47 PM  

It is eye opening how few people are really worth following closely. This realization affirms Matthew 7:14, narrow is the way.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 January 10, 2020 2:59 PM  

Christian Schulzke wrote:I could never understand why Z Man has such a hard on for Vox. He made a recent comment that Vox isn't part if "Our Thing" which tells me he doesnt think of Vox as being on the Dissident Right...which is odd.

I'm still wondering what they mean by "Our Thing". Because from where I stand, it just appears to be complaining on Gab about how there aren't enough white people or other such nonsense.

Blogger Gregory the Tall January 10, 2020 3:00 PM  

Ya cain't fix stoopid

Blogger NewTunesForOldLogos January 10, 2020 3:02 PM  

Zman has some good things to say, for sure. When there is conflict, believe Zman over the MSM or Drudge, Owen over Zman, and Vox over any of them.

Blogger Duke Norfolk January 10, 2020 3:04 PM  

Zman does indeed often write some pretty good stuff. But he also comes across as thinking he's just so much smarter than all the other dissident righters out there, while throwing out some false modesty stuff as cover.

I don't know exactly what brought on this recent hate-fest for Vox that he and some of his commenters have been throwing of late, but it's really not a good look. Did you piss in his Wheaties when I wasn't looking, Vox? I doubt it.

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei January 10, 2020 3:12 PM  

“We stand by the story and will vigorously defend,” Times spokeswoman Eileen Murphy said.

Settled with a NDA and a "with out admitting wrongdoing" within a year. They still have cash to piss away on these things and the risk of a loss in open court is simply too great a risk as of yet.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 10, 2020 3:26 PM  

Z-man is an "Educator", and as I joke we will be the best educated political prisoners in history, keepers of the secret knowledge, but nothing beyond that.

Vox and his gang of cutthroats, DO, the Z-man gammas.

Blogger Megamerc January 10, 2020 3:29 PM  

What is the next likely step for the media? As their revenues continue to dwindle, a) will the state step in to prop them up, b) will other parties prop them up c) will they go under completely? Or some other option?

Blogger DeepThought January 10, 2020 3:33 PM  

If it smells like a secret king and acts like a secret king.

zman the KING of secret kings

Blogger Rek. January 10, 2020 3:36 PM  

I dont read the zman. Except when vox links to one of his articles which is quite rare. So i am curious. Whats "His Thing"?

Blogger Stilicho January 10, 2020 3:44 PM  

I'll go way, way out on a limb here and predict the Times will defend itself, at least in part, by claiming that it is true that Brimelow is: 1) white; 2) a nationalist; and 3) openly admits his whiteness and his nationalism. Naturally, this defense will be accompanied by denial of the pejorative nature and context in which the claim was made as well as denial of the implicit equation of Brimelow with whatever quotes and positions of Rep. King which were included in the article. Moreover, watching the times tie itself in knots dealing with definitions of "white" and "nationalist" not to mention "white nationalist" will be amusing as well.

Conclusion: Brimelow did not ask for sufficient damages. Actual malice drips from every article the Times publishes about the right.

As for Z-man, sadly, I am not surprised.

Blogger FP January 10, 2020 3:48 PM  

I saw the grifter post yesterday and got a good chuckle given his little donation plate paragraph at the end of his posts now.

Blogger Uncle John's Band January 10, 2020 3:53 PM  

His intellectual limitations are evident in his "thought". There appears to be an entire internet commentariat that came to faux prominence by simply not being mainstream left, but are woefully ill-equipped for actual paradigm shift.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 10, 2020 4:01 PM  

Sandmann's lawyer needs to start franchising his business model.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 10, 2020 4:05 PM  

Duke Norfolk wrote:Did you piss in his Wheaties when I wasn't looking, Vox?
Don't want folks peeing in your Wheaties? Don't store your Wheaties in the urinal.
Uncle John's Band wrote:His intellectual limitations are evident in his "thought".
I don't read his stuff often, because it looks to me as if he's unwilling to follow Truth to an unpopular conclusion. He's bought into too many errors of this age, accepted too many Lefty postulates. It limits him.

Blogger P Glenrothes January 10, 2020 4:18 PM  

It's hard not to smile when you hold a royal flush and your opponent decides to try the bold bluff.

Blogger The Cooler January 10, 2020 4:24 PM  

Ah the rageous gaze of the Gamma
it fails in contemptible ways

this, I cannot do
it must therefore be untrue

spake the Gamma repining in his maze.

Blogger Lance E January 10, 2020 4:52 PM  

I hesitate to pile on, but I actually read Z's post all about the grifters yesterday and remember thinking, "how is what you're doing any different?"

I don't know anything about his character, personally; all I know is he's become way too black-pilled for me to enjoy his writing anymore or take any of his predictions seriously. There was a time when things were looking really bad, when I was almost seeing eye to eye with him on the notion that Trump was just a big blowhard and everyone in his orbit was a fool or phony, but when new evidence came to light, I admitted I overreacted and moved on, while he has been doubling down on that ever since.

Blogger Uncle John's Band January 10, 2020 4:55 PM  

@36

Truth and logos is the ultimate way out of the maze. You can also brute force your way out to an extent with unusual horsepower, erudition, and a bit of humility. But a godless midwit? Like a fly in a web.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch January 10, 2020 5:14 PM  

I hardly ever read zman.

Blogger Shadow Banisher January 10, 2020 5:28 PM  

It's just another manifestation of the "nothing is happening" syndrome.

Blogger tdcommenter January 10, 2020 5:28 PM  

I look forward to the disclosure of the non-dispute and amicable resolution. One niggling question was answered today, which was how many of us answered the call. The answer gladdens me.

Blogger RC January 10, 2020 6:09 PM  

STG58 wrote, "Sandmann's lawyer needs to start franchising his business model."

Barnes is indeed thinking big. Check out www.freeamericalawcenter.com.

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 10, 2020 6:28 PM  

One thing I learned on the internet is that opinions really don't matter. Not in the meatspace especially.
We are at that point though: where what the laws say and what the internet says still differ. The former matters, the latter you can ignore. On a more adverse note, the Reddit pages are full of people doing more posting and opinionating about the topic of the subreddit than actually engaging in said activity. From that we get these experts who have no experience.
To get effective people to come onto the internet and show how it can be done is difficult. For example, only now, in this information age, do we learn that the standard procedure for being deplatformed is not handwringing and complaining.

Blogger map January 10, 2020 6:57 PM  

The worst of the right-wing blackpillers are those who assume "uniparty" at every turn. Nothing happening against the Left is good enough and is always treated as some kind of ploy soon to be revealed.

It never occurs to them to ask what value is there in being a villain? What value is there in Mitch McConnell being the villain in the drama against Nancy Pelosi's hero? Or, Trump "pretending" to fight the Left but, in reality, he and Pelosi are best buds? They never ask what happens if Pelosi decides to make the "drama" real. Then what? Are Trump and McConnell going to whip out the affidavits showing they were really on the Democrat's side?

Even conservative treehouse falls for this. Drudge has a link on how Huber is finding nothing with the Clinton Foundation and CT is all "the fix is in, the Qtards are wrong," as if some random prosecutor is really going to bring down Clinton and Obama with one investigation.

The fact that DOJ has to run its corruption openly is a huge loss for the Left, but no one believes it.

Blogger map January 10, 2020 7:00 PM  

Doktor Jeep wrote:We are at that point though: where what the laws say and what the internet says still differ. The former matters, the latter you can ignore. On a more adverse note, the Reddit pages are full of people doing more posting and opinionating about the topic of the subreddit than actually engaging in said activity. From that we get these experts who have no experience.

The entire legal system has revealed itself as a fraud. It's basically a club where prosecutors and judges can collude to railroad you, punishing you with the very process that is designed to protect you.

That is a huge loss for the Left.

Blogger Dave January 10, 2020 7:01 PM  

Never read, listened, or watched the Z-man except for whatever Vox may have brought to our attention. This will only serve to reinforce my non-actions concerning the z-man.


strike back at the weaponized media

The real enemy of the people; it is time we carry the battle to them.

Blogger Laxman January 10, 2020 7:14 PM  

Zman doesn't like you anymore. Means he can't get laid.

You're really smart.

Blogger map January 10, 2020 7:17 PM  

Doktor Jeep wrote:We are at that point though: where what the laws say and what the internet says still differ. The former matters, the latter you can ignore. On a more adverse note, the Reddit pages are full of people doing more posting and opinionating about the topic of the subreddit than actually engaging in said activity. From that we get these experts who have no experience.

But discussing is important. Remember, lawyers know a lot less then they pretend to because their knowledge is only as good as their last case. They don;t carry case law in their heads. If you master the art of shepherdizing cases, of digging deep into the citations, you can uncover all kinds of useful nuggets in moving the legal needle. Look at, for example, the unconscionability article of a few days ago.

The problem is that lawyers are lazy and they simply go by what they learned from their law professors, which is focusing on the case law studied in their classes. What they forget is the case laws are selected as tools to develop legal reasoning. They are not meant to be the foundation of your legal beliefs.

Blogger map January 10, 2020 7:18 PM  

There is no point in being Howard Campbell in Mother Night, yet the blackpillers always assume that every right winger is Howard Campbell.

Blogger rcocean January 10, 2020 7:44 PM  

Zman like a lot on the Right, always misses the point. We don't need you to attack Vox day, or anyone else on the Right. The Left has that covered. We need you because you attack
the Left. But Righties love to attack each other. For some reason. Its like i said to a Never-Trumper, why should i read you, i can read 1000 Lefties saying the same thing.

Blogger Vaughan Williams January 10, 2020 8:07 PM  

I notice he writes insightful articles but stops short of a call to action or a solid conclusion. I thought that was just part of his thing to encourage discussion in the comments section. Very effective at that. Was surprised to see him speaking of "wierdos" and then attacking our host and Cernovich. Who the heck does he think are "wierdos"? Does he not include himself in that? How?

Blogger mgh January 10, 2020 8:33 PM  

So he is an Educator! That explains it. I have some in my family, and my wife works with them. Every once in a while they will do some of the dumbest head scratchingly stupid things. Never assume they are normal.

Blogger CCubed January 10, 2020 9:14 PM  

I read Z-Man for a while, never much cared for the podcasts. Ultimately I stopped because of his tl;dr posts.

Blogger kmad76 January 10, 2020 9:16 PM  

@map you're right about conservative treehouse. He referred to Tucker Carlson as Tulsi Carlson on Twitter the other day. He's a bit of a baby when someone has a different opinion than him. He had the same problem with Cernovich and was way off then too. He hates Bill Mitchell but seems to be equally sensitive to criticism. Projection is a bitch. Three cheers to Peter Brimelow for taking on the NY Times. Sam Francis is smiling in heaven.

Blogger stevo January 10, 2020 10:04 PM  

Z man's vision of the dissident right does not include christians

Blogger Stilicho January 10, 2020 10:06 PM  

Interesting patterns on display recently: the gay, purported right-wingers who have been attacking BB, Vox, and UA.TV as "grifters". Very consistent in their messaging and very effeminate or outright gay in their message and delivery.

Similarly, we've seen a surge of trolls claiming Trump is weak because he used a drone and/or a missile to kill Soleimani. Again, very effeminate or gay in message and delivery.

While they may not appear related, Shapiru and his neo-palestinian allies fit the bill quite nicely to be behind both ineffectual attacks and they hate hate hate the jokes about selling sheets (((grifters))) and the killing of Soliemani/disengagement from perpetual, pointless war in the ME.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 10, 2020 10:10 PM  

Z-man is smart, but incredibly lazy.

Blogger Vaughan Williams January 10, 2020 10:24 PM  

He isn't lazy. If reports are true that he is an atheist, then he is under an incredible cognitive load compared to those who accept Scripture. Even with the benefit of Scripture, could you crank out those blog posts so consistently while maintaining that quality?

Blogger Jill January 10, 2020 10:47 PM  

Isn't Z-man a character from a 60s film that turns out to be a woman in drag? I'm not sure why a man would call himself that. I got bored of him years ago. Maybe my subconscious remembered the film.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 10, 2020 10:48 PM  

5 minutes of googling would have illustrated to him exactly what had happened. Instead he repeats some stupid lies.
The choice is incredibly lazy or incredibly dishonest. If you want to make the assertion that he's lying knowingly, out of jealousy, feel free, but I tend to doubt it.

Blogger Macs January 10, 2020 10:49 PM  

These types of people would have called Homer a grifter and kicked him out of wine-room.

Blogger Revelation Means Hope January 10, 2020 10:51 PM  

Reading most evolutionary biology science papers seem to be a journey into the mind of a natural gamma. Posturing, conjecture, lots of hypothesizing without demonstrating the actual evolutionary mechanism.

There ya go, smart boy, pat on the head. Reading their papers are disgusting.

Blogger jkmack January 11, 2020 12:30 AM  

Thanks to vox and owen, time i used to spend listening to various zionist grifters and. Other less savory types, i spend reading the bible or western classics or actual history. Useful stuff.

Blogger Scuzzaman January 11, 2020 12:44 AM  

Don't know why he felt the need to target you or Owen all of a sudden.

Newbies tend to lack trigger discipline. He probably gets people on Gab telling him how great Vox is. No big thing except that it’s only going to get more aggravating for him as time goes by.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 11, 2020 12:45 AM  

Jill wrote:Isn't Z-man a character from a 60s film that turns out to be a woman in drag?
Beyond the Valley Of The Dolls Written, I believe, by Roger Ebert.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 11, 2020 1:01 AM  

The targeting is more likely the result of Little Nicky fanboys whispering in his ear.

Blogger map January 11, 2020 2:31 AM  

Unknown wrote:@map you're right about conservative treehouse. He referred to Tucker Carlson as Tulsi Carlson on Twitter the other day. He's a bit of a baby when someone has a different opinion than him. He had the same problem with Cernovich and was way off then too. He hates Bill Mitchell but seems to be equally sensitive to criticism. Projection is a bitch. Three cheers to Peter Brimelow for taking on the NY Times. Sam Francis is smiling in heaven.

And I seriously like Conservative Treehouse. He has very interesting analysis of the Lawfare against Trump.

The problem is, he doesn;t understand why things like the Mueller report failed.

Blogger James Lovebirch January 11, 2020 2:32 AM  

@62

Regardless of why, people with integrity don't pretend at knowledge, especially when it entails accusing someone of lying.

Blogger JamesB.BKK January 11, 2020 3:38 AM  

Yep. Corporate Cancer says redacted until 11 October. Four more days?!

Blogger tublecane January 11, 2020 6:50 AM  

"Real evidence is no longer necessary"

This isn't worth responding to, but for the heck of it, let's say Z is right and Vox is wrong. Nevertheless, Z didn't point to any evidence in making his case. He simply asserted things. Silly things, but nevermind that for the moment.

He'd probably counter--if he could be bothered--that somehow Vox's claims required proof whereas his didn't. Likely he feels this way on all subjects where he doesn't happen to have evidence available in his lap.

Blogger tublecane January 11, 2020 6:57 AM  

@61- The villain of Beyond the Valley of the Dolls is called Z Man, played by B-movie actor John LaZar.

My dim recollection is that Z Man is revealed to have breasts, which I guess means he's a woman. But who knows in this type of movie.

Blogger David January 11, 2020 7:23 AM  

The Z-man is an atheist. He believes that anyone who is a Christian is part of the "normie" problem. So I think part of his hostility here is that Vox is a Christian. But I don't see any of these guys trying to contribute to the culture. Where are his books, comics, videos, chat service, encyclopedia? So much for not punching to the right.

Blogger JamesB.BKK January 11, 2020 7:33 AM  

A promise to have legal proceedings followed by resolution is sufficient. Commentary about a lawsuit and attempts to set aside an arbitration clause in general is talk of irrelevancies in particular following public statements about the effect of mere arbitration filing by the hundreds or thousands in concert. It is strange that anyone would be too publicly skeptical about claims about the Indiegogo matter in light of the manifest replatforming amid statements by the host and no evidence to the contrary. Z-man is posing.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 11, 2020 8:03 AM  

#54 Sorry, about the confusion there, "Educator" is a derisive term for a conservative essayist who is out to educate the Right about what the Left has done to the most exacting detail, with about the same effectiveness as the Underpants Gnomes of South Park, Educate- ?- Victory.

Blogger Tars Tarkas January 11, 2020 10:19 AM  

Shame. VP and Z-Man are two blogs I read every day.
It is quite true that there are a lot of circus freaks pretending to be on the dissident right.

Blogger Tars Tarkas January 11, 2020 10:36 AM  

bodenlose Schweinerei wrote:Settled with a NDA and a "with out admitting wrongdoing" within a year.

I suggest you look up the case of James Edwards.

A paper made a very specific claim about him calling him a leader of the KKK. The paper had zero defense. He was never even a member of the KKK let alone a leader. The courts simply reversed decades of precedent, going back to a MLK ruling to avoid Edwards getting any money.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 11, 2020 10:56 AM  

rcocean wrote:But Righties love to attack each other. For some reason.
When they attack Right, the Lefties join in, and stop attacking them for a little.

If they attack Left, the Lefties say mean things, and don't invite them to the cool kids parties where the fancy pants and lollipops are handed out.

Blogger Stilicho January 11, 2020 11:03 AM  

@snidely good point about the milkers. Nickles and zman would make a good couple. At least until the inevitable catfight ensues.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 11, 2020 11:19 AM  

map wrote:It never occurs to them to ask what value is there in being a villain? ...
Odds are that for many GOP in Congress it did start out as playing a role. They'd play being bad guys to the Left, the Dems would play being bad guys to the Right, and they'd all cash in. That's probably how Lindsey Graham got started, for example. Once they're compromised, there's no way out.
map wrote:They never ask what happens if Pelosi decides to make the "drama" real. Then what?
Everyone doubtless knew the drama would never get real unless one of them makes it real, and then it's over, at least for him.

Yes, by 2016 it was starting to look as if the Dems were going to kill off the GOP characters in their joint play - maybe even real-world kill some of them. That may be why some of the GOP are reluctantly boarding the Trump train. Why did Graham suddenly start acting like a man when McStain died? Very possibly because he was offered a way out of the trap he had climbed into. Why have Mittens and Murcowski not boarded the Trump train? They either weren't offered surrender terms, or chose to go down with the Left.

Map, none of these people are Godly and moral, none of them are willing to understand that it's foolish to give up one's soul to gain the world. They get nominated and pushed into Congress because they're willing - no, eager! - to be compromised. They'll always take the broad, easy path to destruction.

Blogger James Dixon January 11, 2020 11:31 AM  

> Yep. Corporate Cancer says redacted until 11 October. Four more days?!

Ah. I haven't had time to read my copy yet. Nice to know how long the NDA lasts.

Blogger Michael D. January 11, 2020 11:36 AM  

Boomer-Man gonna Boomer-Man. I used to listen to his podcast for a while, but I can't say that I was ever impressed by him.

Blogger Dad29 January 11, 2020 1:00 PM  

ZMan has identified this song as "his favorite."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN7r0Rr1Qyc

S'pose it was the genius of Rogers & Mammerstein, or somthing else?

Blogger VD January 11, 2020 2:31 PM  

VP and Z-Man are two blogs I read every day. It is quite true that there are a lot of circus freaks pretending to be on the dissident right.

Perhaps, but some of those "circus freaks" are still more honest than Z-Man. If he's lying to you about this - and he is - then what else is he lying to you about? You can't believe anything that a proven liar is telling you.

Blogger Jim the Curmudgeon January 11, 2020 3:41 PM  

"The bottom line is Indiegogo canceled the project, gave the people their money back and that was it. There was no lawsuit. No class action. No arbitration. Nothing."

Hmm, that's odd. For some reason a chick at a law firm was emailing me documents for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

ZMan needs to look up 'negative existential claim' in a critical thinking text.

Blogger Blip1222 January 11, 2020 9:11 PM  

Re: Wikipedia you wouldn't be able to do a class action against them because the plaintiffs (the class) would not have been injured in the same way. The facts for each libel claim would generally be different and involve different proof, which means you couldn't get a class certified.

What could be done most easily is to start suing Wikipedia editors individually if they libel people. Their IP addresses used to be public, although it looks like maybe they aren't anymore. But in any event Wikipedia has them, which means you can file a fictitious defendant lawsuit against the editor, and then move for leave to subpoena Wikipedia to get their IP address, then subpoena the ISP to get their name.

That would probably be more effective than suing Wikipedia at stopping various acts of libel. It's mostly a small number of editors going on to specific pages and putting them on lockdown with whatever crazy thing they want to say. If they start getting sued you will see that stop very quickly. Some won't have any money, but I bet you'd be surprised. I would bet a lot of Silicon Valley nerds would find themselves giving up their hard-won stock options.

Blogger OvergrownHobbit January 12, 2020 2:39 AM  

@74 and @54

I could never understand why Z Man has such a hard on for Vox. He made a recent comment that Vox isn't part if "Our Thing" which tells me he doesnt think of Vox as being on the Dissident Right...which is odd.

Brian Niemeier's witch test.

Vox Day is a Christian. Who fights.

Watch Faun's Walpugisnacht back to back with the Quebecois plea for a muscular Church.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/catholic-young-men-ask-bishops-to-teach-traditional-faith-and-save-them-from-nihilism-despair

The Z Man and the other Dissident Right who want to live in the kingdom without the King. They all think they'll be the dancers and not the ones in the cage in the fire.

Blogger Avalanche January 12, 2020 9:15 AM  

@64 "without demonstrating the actual evolutionary mechanism."

OT, but: I strongly recommend this fantastic book to anyone still struggling with evolution-as-taught. It's astonishing the read of the proven and accepted 'directed' cell-adaptations that disprove 'random mutation' completely: these things have been known for some decades -- and are still completely ignored in the teaching and writing about evolution at nearly every level.

"Evolution 2.0: Breaking the Deadlock Between Darwin and Design," by Perry Marshall

I don't yet completely accept this guy as providing enough proof-of-God for me {sigh} but his "Swiss Army Knife" of five mutation operations and his comparison of DNA to computer code; and how 'noise' (random additions) never ever ever improves code or any other system, is killer!

From Amazon: Perry Marshall, as an engineer, rejected the concept of organisms "accidentally" evolving. But then an epiphany, that DNA is code, much like data in our digital age, sparked a 10-year journey of in-depth research into 70 years of under-reported evolutionary science.

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