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Sunday, January 26, 2020

The Secret King of ComicsGate

It would appear the armistice for which he sued is over. Ethan van Sciver has revealed himself to be a two-faced, shameless, and unrepentant liar. Again. In January 2019, five days after I posted about his two-facedness and historical revisionism, he emailed me out of the blue

An excerpt: Suing for peace.  This is stupid.  SJWs ALWAYS DOUBLE DOWN is too important for me to be in a fight with you.

I accepted, because for all his flaws and idiosyncracies, 2VS is not the enemy. Even now, he's not the enemy. He's not a friend, he's not an ally, but he's not actually trying to deplatform or disemploy anyone. So, he's not an enemy, he's just another anklebiter looking to catch a wave from someone else's motorboat. So be it. It is what it is.
One of his goals which was to fight the culture war in comics on his own terms he was going to answer the social justice way comics with books like what was that book that he had with Daisy Duke... oh he was gonna fight it on on that level and here we come we here we come we swoop in and go know the way to fight SJWs is to simply succeed it's not to fight with them on their own terms it's to actually do good business and make money by being apolitical.

Now you know Vox Day took a real shot, Vox Day took a shot at taking over comicsgate. He took a shot because he tried to start an imprint called comicsgate and he invited people to come his way. I said everybody if your comics say come to me I'll publish you. That was Vox Day trying to take control. Now we reacted to that a certain way didn't wait if you remember back to 2018, comicsgate panicked and I invested eight thousand dollars of my own money in a lawyer to cease and desist and to claim ownership over the word comicsgate because I monetized it in my comic see livestreams.

Now that sent Vox Day away but he's been pouting this entire time. I will reveal to you the Vox Day calls me constantly. I haven't taken a phone call from him in months, probably a year but he still calls me and leaves messages on my machine. He's watching comics gate very very closely and he's using John del Arroz, who has a passing interest in comics.
Allow me to set the record straight:
  1. I have not been pouting about anything, least of all ComicsGate. I don't care in the slightest about ComicsGate and I never did. I was dragged into that pointless, idiotic conflict by Will Caligan, and I no longer have anything to do with either ComicsGate or Caligan beyond continuing to publish Gun Ghoul.
  2. I have no interest in working with or talking to Ethan van Sciver.
  3. I did not drop the ComicsGate imprint as a result of 2VS's trademark filing, I dropped it because I did not wish to be associated with the inept and incompetent individuals who identified themselves with it.
  4. I called Ethan van Sciver several times after the resolution of the Indiegogo situation. I thought, as someone with a vested interest in it, he might like to know that it was satisfactorily resolved. As I was incorrect and he did not return my calls, I stopped calling him several months ago.
  5. I do not follow ComicsGate at all. I have no idea what is going on in that little cesspool of the comics industry. John Del Arroz and I do talk about our mutual projects, but I never talk to him about 2VS or ComicsGate.
I don't know why 2VS felt the need to start talking about me again; perhaps he is upset by the total irrelevance of Cyberfrog when Arkhaven is moving forward steadily on all fronts. Or perhaps the fact that ComicsGate collectively raised one-third the funds it did in 2019 that it did in 2018 has him rattled and looking for me to reprise my villain du jour role.

The problem is that other than setting the record straight, I simply don't care what he does or says. And now that he has confirmed what we originally believed him to be, there is no need to pay any attention to the Secret King of ComicsGate.

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30 Comments:

Blogger artensoll January 26, 2020 1:57 PM  

Perhaps he thinks by being incoherent we won't notice his lies?

Blogger R Webfoot January 26, 2020 2:04 PM  

JDA has a... passing interest in comics?
2VS is clearly just mad JDA gets #1 category even without their help.

Blogger Jim January 26, 2020 2:19 PM  

You gotta be apolitical like 2VS and throw random bitching about Bill Clinton into your comics.

Blogger tublecane January 26, 2020 2:38 PM  

Is it possible to own a "gate" simply because you talked about it in a livestream? Especially since we've been gate-ing things since 1972.

What is his deal, by the way? "Keep your politics out of muh comics?" Neither right nor left shalt salt my food.

I never understood why anyone would want it that way. As if any politics whatsoever makes it Stalinistic propaganda in which ever last detail serves a purpose. Politics is all over great art and great to cruddy entertainment.

Blogger Lazarus January 26, 2020 2:42 PM  

Real men don't eat quiche
Real Dark Lords don't pout
Real Cult Leaders don't send out Christmas cards (BB)

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 26, 2020 2:50 PM  

When you're livestreaming 12 hours a day, you gotta have something to say, whether it's true or makes sense or not.

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums January 26, 2020 3:01 PM  

This December I popped into the Killstream side of the internet for the debates Ralph was hosting. I did attempt to do a little catch-up and found out nothing of the sort was needed. They're still doing and talking about the same stuff that got them fame in the first place.

This is true for other channels as well, including 2VS'.

ComicsGate, Star Wars, and Anti-SJW videos are played out. 2VS' channel metrics are going down, he needs to try everything at this point.

Blogger Scott January 26, 2020 3:04 PM  

If he's smart he'll get on the corona virus view train.

Blogger Gregory the Tall January 26, 2020 3:11 PM  

Being "not the enemy" was not good enough for this guy. Made him feel unimportant, so he decided to show everybody that he really is unimportant. As the psychiatrist said: Good news, all our tests show that you are not sick and do not suffer from an inferiority complex, you really are inferior.

Blogger Longtime Lurker January 26, 2020 3:13 PM  

The only difference between Adam Schiff and EVS is that one got himself elected to Congress. And the other didn't.

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 26, 2020 3:32 PM  

Maybe this is how gammas cry for help?

Blogger DeepThought January 26, 2020 3:42 PM  

2VS sounds like he has some psychiatric issues. These sudden changes in temperament and direction are not normal.

Blogger God Emperor Memes January 26, 2020 4:00 PM  

Barely comprehensible.

Blogger Nate January 26, 2020 8:19 PM  

gun ghoul is good.

Blogger Uncle John's Band January 26, 2020 8:27 PM  

It's a good thing this semi-literate clod can draw cartoon animals, because there isn't much future for him in writing.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 26, 2020 8:30 PM  

Cyberfrog reminds me of Jack Kirby's Captain Victory.

This is not a compliment.

The similarities are there. A comic book artist who decides he can write and the results speak for themselves.

EVS is writing the kind of dialog where he is clearly imaging an actor grandly reading it. I'm sure it sounded great in head but it looked silly on paper.

Blogger Tomato bear January 26, 2020 9:27 PM  

Thanks Vox

Blogger God Emperor Memes January 26, 2020 10:32 PM  

I believe there's a growing market for furry comics.

Blogger Ned January 26, 2020 11:02 PM  

Thanks for the update on Will Caligan. If I recall correctly he had a crowdfunding campaign on Freestartr. I donated, never heard a thing and Freestartr appears to be gone. I wondered about your relationship with him.

Blogger wreckage January 26, 2020 11:09 PM  

Sounds like some random bitching. I tend to think he's mostly burned by the fact that Vox here can run a video every day or second day and still have something interesting to open with. Which fact is why I watch just about every Darkstream; Vox will be onto something interesting, and have something interesting to say about it, 9/10 times.
Even if it's something I'm at 90 degrees to him on, always interesting, almost always new info to be found and followed, and very little filler. Impressive, and no wonder EVS is trying, in his uniquely strange and confused way, to understand and harness that.

Blogger VD January 27, 2020 6:49 AM  

I donated, never heard a thing and Freestartr appears to be gone.

We're delivering on the three comics promised. The one change is that we are delivering a six-issue A THRONE OF BONES omnibus instead of a six-issue THE STARS CAME BACK omnibus.

Blogger Santa1Lardner January 27, 2020 8:16 AM  

"he's not actually trying to deplatform or disemploy anyone"

Actually, he is.

He ran a concern-troll smear campaign against Doug TenNapel for several months, talking about how "homophobic" and "transphobic" TenNapel is, in an attempt to get Indiegogo to remove TenNapel's Earthworm Jim project (which had surpassed Cyberfrog on an even playing field). He also sent his minions to bombard Interplay with complaints about TenNapel, in an attempt to get them to somehow take the rights away.

2VS also uses his "celebrity" to get the gullible mods on Kiwifarms to deplatform accounts who disagree with him or post evidence of his sociopathic behavior.

Is he an enemy? Was Jordan Peterson an enemy? 2VS provided illustrations for JP's book. JP and the rest of the Conservative Inc crowd have dropped 2Vs by now. The tentative friendship that began a few years ago has long ended. Gregg Hurwitz, a writer of novels and comics, was the one who introduced 2VS to JP. Why has Hurwitz's name never been mentioned by Comicsgate as a potential ally? Because the friendship with 2VS ended; he is too psycho even for JP & co.

Blogger camcleat January 27, 2020 9:15 AM  

Fuzzums Wuzzums wrote:
ComicsGate, Star Wars, and Anti-SJW videos are played out. 2VS' channel metrics are going down, he needs to try everything at this point.



I don't know about that in the broad general sense. Several of the channels I follow are still growing and adding subscribers. Videos look popular enough with good engagement.

Doomcock's rants are epic and inspiring. Even better, though, he really says some good, big picture stuff.

This is not about "Star Wars" per se. It's about attacks on the shared experience component of culture.

Some of the guys still making vids get that and state it well. Last week on a livestream, some snarky a-hole in the chat asked Doomcock "why do you watch [Picard] if you don't like it?" and his reply was tremendous.

He's one example.

As for EVS, I know little about him except what I've read here. I don't think I've ever watched one if his vids or livestreams. However, he does appear sometimes on WorldClassBullshitter's High Council livestream, and he seems "ok" there.

This business between him and Vox is a puzzler. It does not square up with, in my mind anyway, with how he presents himself on the WCB streams. But, I admit that's just a snapshot of who he is and he might be pandering to that particular audience - toning down "ally" sniping or whatever.

The first time I saw him on The High Council, I was skeptical about giving him an audience. But the little I've seen him on *that* show was not horrible, and again leaves me scratching my head over this latest round of Vox bashing.

I can't fathom what his motivation in doing this is, beyond answers like "Secret King." I guess that is sufficient explanation, but man what a waste of effort.

Blogger Johnny January 27, 2020 9:32 AM  

I wonder how Ethan's business is doing, Floundering? After raising all that money, it must be tough to do something that seems like a suitable encore.

Blogger R Webfoot January 27, 2020 10:20 AM  

"He ran a concern-troll smear campaign against Doug TenNapel for several months, talking about how "homophobic" and "transphobic" TenNapel is, in an attempt to get Indiegogo to remove TenNapel's Earthworm Jim project (which had surpassed Cyberfrog on an even playing field). He also sent his minions to bombard Interplay with complaints about TenNapel, in an attempt to get them to somehow take the rights away."

WHAT THE HELL. Screw him then.

Blogger Tars Tarkas January 27, 2020 10:46 AM  

tublecane wrote:I never understood why anyone would want it that way. As if any politics whatsoever makes it Stalinistic propaganda in which ever last detail serves a purpose. Politics is all over great art and great to cruddy entertainment.

It has nothing to do with some abstract rationale for not being political and everything to do with cowardice.

Old 2face thinks he can remain in the good graces of the comics industry and since he was using the comicsgate tag, he was afraid that having VD publishing the CG imprint would make him unemployable.
Of course, you cannot cuck your way into a job with these people. Simply not being enthusiastic enough about The Narrative along with being a white male is enough to disqualify him from employment opportunities in the industry.
I don't even think he is particularly 2faced. I think he's just a raving coward afraid of his own shadow.

He used the same exact phrasing, tone of voice and excuses to cower from another person who he agreed to do some charity work with that he used to pretend he wasn't friends with VD. Not knowing if recordings of the calls existed, he pretended that phone calls with Vox and this other guy were just distractions from people bothering him, and while only 1/2 paying attention, may have agreed to things he had no plans of executing.

Being brave with your paycheck, might be stupidity and not bravery, especially if you have children or want children. But then don't 1/2 ass it. Keep your mouth shut and out of the public. Don't be 2 faced.

Blogger Tars Tarkas January 27, 2020 10:51 AM  

Anyone have a link to the video he said this stuff in?

Blogger camcleat January 27, 2020 11:08 AM  

R Webfoot wrote:

WHAT THE HELL. Screw him then.



Agreed.

I wonder if those associating with him on the livestreams he appears on know this about him. They tend to be vocal against Cancel Culture, and if he's participating in that, they should re-think their associating with him lest they be seen as guilty and hypocrites by association.

Blogger Gregory the Tall January 27, 2020 3:14 PM  

Reading this made me think of Jordan Peterson's fate. I looked up his Twitter account, he is tweeting alright. But from where? Does anybody know?

Blogger SciVo January 28, 2020 4:31 AM  

I have no idea what is going on with Van Sciver (no relation). He already claimed and then disclaimed ComicsGate, so what even is the point of him talking about it?

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