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Friday, February 07, 2020

A narrow escape

Fortunately for humanity, its greatest thinker has survived to think more of the thoughts that no one has thought before. Mikhaela Peterson explains the recent silence of Jordan Peterson:
The last year has been extremely difficult for our family. Dad was put on a low dose of a benzodiazepine a few years ago for anxiety following an extremely severe autoimmune reaction to food. He took the medication as prescribed. Last April when my mom was diagnosed with terminal cancer, the dose of the medication was increased. It became apparent that he was suffering from both a physical dependency and a paradoxical reaction to the medication. A paradoxical reaction means the drugs do the opposite of what they’re supposed to. These reactions are rare but are not unheard of.

For the last 8 months he’s been in unbearable discomfort from this drug, made worse when trying to remove it, because of the addition of withdrawal symptoms, stemming from physical dependence. He experienced terrible akathisia, which is a condition where the person feels an incredible, endless, irresistible restlessness, bordering on panic, and an inability to sit still. The reaction made him suicidal.

After several failed treatment attempts in North American hospitals, including attempts at tapering and micro-tapering, we had to seek an emergency medical benzodiazepine detox, which we were only able to find in Russia. It was incredibly gruelling, and was further complicated by severe pneumonia which we’ve been told he developed in one of the previous hospitals. He’s had to spend 4 weeks in the ICU in terrible shape, but, with the help of some extremely competent and courageous doctors, he survived.  The decision to bring him to Russia was made in extreme desperation, when we couldn’t find any better option. The uncertainty around his recovery has been one of the most difficult and scary experiences we’ve ever had.

So: Finally Dad is on the mend, even though there’s a lot of physiological damage that he needs to recover from. He’s improving, and is off the horrible medication. His sense of humour is back. He’s smiling again for the first time in months, but he still has a long way to go to recover fully.
It's more than a little strange, is it not, that a complete stranger could coincidentally happen to anticipate an emotional crisis of this magnitude prior to its occurrence? But setting aside the various possible causes of the crisis, let us simply observe that perhaps one would be, shall we say, unwise, to live one's life according to the philosophy and precepts of a man who is clearly unwell on multiple levels, including the physical, the psychological, and the spiritual.

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110 Comments:

Blogger Brett baker February 07, 2020 5:57 PM  

You must admit, it will be funny watching all the haters on the left call him a Russian plant.

Blogger Constantin February 07, 2020 6:04 PM  

I genuinely forgot Peterson existed. As did many of his worshipers that damn near proclaimed him the next messiah.

Blogger Thomas Howard February 07, 2020 6:06 PM  

Nosocomial infection and another Canadian citizen forced to seek care outside of the Canadian system. Keep this in mind as a myriad of candidates on both sides of the aisle promote various "well intentioned reforms" to the US healthcare system.

Blogger Akulkis February 07, 2020 6:07 PM  

8 Months ago.... Isn't that right around the time of the report that a mere glass of apple cider caused him to go into such severe anxiety that he (falsely) believed he had stayed awake for 25 days straight (I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that claim ... 24 days x (24 hours/day) = 576 hours) without a wink of sleep.

But don't worry. I'll bet he got his room real clean. Probably sanitized and steamed even!

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei February 07, 2020 6:07 PM  

Sounds like he was conceived from a weak sperm.

Blogger thechortling February 07, 2020 6:14 PM  

Interesting that the time at which brain damage was incurred is somewhat inferred to be from the recent treatment. Who's to say when that happened?

Blogger Shadow Banisher February 07, 2020 6:17 PM  

Make yer damn bed and sleep in it!

Blogger Austin February 07, 2020 6:18 PM  

It does sound like the human version of ten rules for life though. Consistency.

Blogger Capital6 February 07, 2020 6:20 PM  

The fact that there was no one "competent" enough to treat a benzo withdrawal in North America is absolutely ludicrous. This is approaching Candide levels of things going wrong. It's like she's talking about a Looney Tunes character. Actually, the misadventures of Jord N. Petersen could be a riot.

Blogger Gregory the Tall February 07, 2020 6:21 PM  

We are beginning to understand that Russian tanks and fighter planes are now better than American ones. Now the Russian medical system appears to be in the lead as well - having successfully rehabilitated one of its most potent weapons of mass degradation of the young American male's mind: Jordan Peterson.

Blogger Keith February 07, 2020 6:24 PM  

>forced to seek care outside of the Canadian system

Now that you mention it, I bet they chose Russia solely so it wouldn't look like they are shitting on the Canadian system. With as many hollyweirdos as we have I am sure the United States has plenty of clinics designed to take money from rich druggies who can afford to spend as much time as they want to away from productive life.

Blogger Hoyabembe February 07, 2020 6:26 PM  

The Youtube video of Jordan's daughter making the announcement is one of the strangest and most disturbing things I have ever seen. She seems like a drugged hostage reading from a script, and she's wearing a nightgown. Wtf?!

Blogger VFM Bear February 07, 2020 6:34 PM  

Well, at least it's not meth. Definitely not meth.

Blogger Gregory the Tall February 07, 2020 6:36 PM  

Or was everything completely different? Rumours have it that his Russian doctors decided to leave him in a padded cell equipped only with a copy of "Jordanetics". "He was obviously in a state of extreme self-delusion," commented renowned Russian psychiatrist Viktor Ivanovitch Pravdivostkov. "So we told him that he would not get out before he acknowledged the truth and logic of the arguments laid out in that book. Also on his tablet we allowed access to only one website: voxday.blogspot.com. Looking back my colleagues and I are all convinced that this clinical decision was essentially the moment when things took a turn for the better in his therapy."

Blogger sammibandit February 07, 2020 6:40 PM  

Low dose benzodiazepine that he becomes addicted to... Something isn't adding up. Either she's lying or he was abusing his script by taking too much or mixing it with booze. I may be reading too much into this but I get shades of drug seeking from JBP.

We already knows he's a liar because 3+ weeks with no sleep isn't physically possible to survive. You start waking dreaming after 3 days and I'm sure every uni student can attest to that during finals week. What do you want to bet he's lied about other health matters?

Somehow it's made worse by recruiting his daughter to enable him. Gotta wonder how she's able to talk past her mother literally on her death bed as if that's not a big deal in favor of her father who can't get off baby Ativan.

Blogger Player 2 February 07, 2020 6:47 PM  

"Unbearable discomfort" is the type of weasel term I'd be amazed by, were it not so common from them. It's like "we can't claim it is actual pain, and discomfort is just uncomfortable. How do we make everyone think he's still a giant? I know: Unbearable discomfort." Yes. It's right up there with chronic bothersomeness and unendurable annoyance.

Blogger Tom d February 07, 2020 6:51 PM  

I never knew Russia had such specialized detox facilities. I am not a medical expert, but it seems like transport to Russia would be an unlikely response after developing severe pneumonia.

Blogger islanti February 07, 2020 6:57 PM  

And the lobsters rejoice at the possibility of their messiah returning to talk about revolutionary things we all knew about a decade ago.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 07, 2020 6:58 PM  

Why Russia? Lockdown.
In Russia they could keep him locked in, and there would be no leaks of any information.

Blogger Hammerli 280 February 07, 2020 7:04 PM  

@15: "You start waking dreaming after 3 days and I'm sure every uni student can attest to that during finals week."

Not if you're using your head. I always made a point to get 7 hours sleep per night. You won't retain anything if you're half-asleep.

Blogger bara February 07, 2020 7:15 PM  

The problem with JBP's philosophy is that it mixes enough truths with falsehoods and that has duped some (including me for a time) into believing he was not bad. The problem I see is that his beliefs are not based on anything, he is like the man who build his house on the sand, so an eventual collapse was inevitable, as you correctly predicted.

Blogger Balkan Yankee February 07, 2020 7:17 PM  

Russia. Is there anything it can't do?

Blogger Shield up sword swinging pipes blasting February 07, 2020 7:24 PM  

So I guess it isn't meth then...

Blogger James Dixon February 07, 2020 7:27 PM  

> Mikhaela Peterson explains the recent silence of Jordan Peterson:

Mikhaela??? WT actual F? How do they come up with these names?

Blogger Cloudbuster February 07, 2020 7:28 PM  

He took his damn pills....

Blogger Scott February 07, 2020 7:29 PM  

The lies grow ever more ridiculous.

Definitely not meth.

Blogger Megamerc February 07, 2020 7:30 PM  

On Jordan Peterson:
Success will make him more hubristic and self-righteous, then he'll self-sabotage.
-Vox Day, 01 May 2018

Anyone have a better and more specific version of Vox Day's prediction on Peterson's breakdown?

Blogger Cloudbuster February 07, 2020 7:34 PM  

From https://www.drugs.com/drug-class/benzodiazepines.html,

Emphasis mine:

...

When prescribed by a doctor and used for short periods of time, such as the day of surgery or for less than two weeks to aid sleep, benzodiazepines are safe to take.

Problems start to arise when benzodiazepines are taken at higher dosages than recommended, or when they are taken for more than two to four weeks. Benzodiazepines are potentially addictive and the risk of becoming emotionally and physically dependent on them increases the more you take. In addition, tolerance can develop with their use. This is when the same dose no longer gives the same effect, and a dosage increase is needed to ease symptoms again.

Benzodiazepines should only be taken at the lowest dose for the shortest possible length of time.

...

While he's not a psychiatrist (able to prescribe drugs), as a licensed clinical psychologist, one would expect Peterson to be familiar with this information, and definitely his prescribing doctor should have been. Can we expect his doctor to be censured for writing Peterson dangerous prescriptions long past the safe duration of use and dosage?

Blogger ar10308 February 07, 2020 7:38 PM  

His daughter read the prepared statement likely so she didn't let any extemporaneous slips out like her "Meth" comment from last time.
The other thing I noticed is that she's traveling Russia with her husband and wearing her wedding ring again. So at least that is some good to come from this.

And I definitely agree that they went to Russia so they can control access to her father.

Blogger cecilhenry February 07, 2020 7:39 PM  

It would be tough for anyone to have a spouse diagnosed with terminal cancer, and he has my sympathies.


But going to Russia for treatment??

This suggests some unconventional medicine for sure that no medical establishment in the West would back I suspect.

And there's a LOT of alternative medicine options in North America, so that's strange on a lot of levels.


Traveling to Russia also reminds me that while (to his credit) he condemns how communism turned out, he is much more sympathetic to their aims.

He's ever the NDP socialist at heart.

Blogger bramley says "Enoch was right" February 07, 2020 7:47 PM  

So what she's saying is: her dad is mad as a bag of spanners.

Right, gotcha. Benzodiazepine for food intolerance, right, let me jot that down with my special pen that writes in invisible colours and makes whatever i write with it come true...

Benzodiazepines, commonly used to treat:

Alcohol withdrawal.

Oh, darn, it's run out of ink.

Blogger Sargent.matrim February 07, 2020 7:58 PM  

I watched a couple of Joe Rogan videos the other day, just because he was interviewing the author of Empire of the Summer Moon, S C Gwynne, and I love that book. And now I have old Peterson and Rogan videos coming up on my YouTube suggestions.

So my YouTube is now on it's own detox.

If this situation with Peterson doesn't prove to his remaining fans he's crazy and his advice is terrible, then they deserve what they get.

Blogger Shane Bradman February 07, 2020 7:59 PM  

If his medication is doing the complete opposite of what it's supposed to do, that sounds a lot like meth to me.

Blogger Oswald February 07, 2020 8:04 PM  

Speaking as a wanna be off the grid guy, his first mistake was taking medication regardless of taking it as prescribed.

Blogger stevo February 07, 2020 8:21 PM  

It was so bad he had to go to Russia. Holy fuck!

Blogger Gregory the Tall February 07, 2020 8:28 PM  

KGB handler to KGB asset Peterson: "This is the last time we are dealing with you in this gentle fashion. We recruited you to undermine the combat readiness of the America male population, not to try out every legal and illegal drug they have over there."
Conspiracy theory?

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( i'm not shocked Bubba Wallace got outsmarted by a garage door ) February 07, 2020 8:34 PM  

so the man with Russophilia / Sovietphilia decides only Russia can "cure" him?

ho-kay.

sounds more like relief of psychosomatic symptoms to me.


"Benzodiazepines are generally viewed as safe and effective for short-term use, although cognitive impairment and paradoxical effects such as aggression or behavioral disinhibition occasionally occur. A minority of people can have paradoxical reactions such as worsened agitation or panic.[7] Benzodiazepines are also associated with increased risk of suicide.[8] Long-term use is controversial because of concerns about decreasing effectiveness, physical dependence, withdrawal, and an increased risk of dementia and cancer. The elderly are at an increased risk of both short- and long-term adverse effects,[13][15] and as a result, all benzodiazepines are listed in the Beers List of inappropriate medications for older adults
...
Benzodiazepines are considered major drugs of abuse.[22] Benzodiazepine abuse is mostly limited to individuals who abuse other drugs, i.e., poly-drug abusers.


Peterson is 57. so, if he's not already at an age where prescription benzos would be contraindicated, he's getting damn close.

and remember, there have been numerous incidents reported from his female students of private meetings devolving into inappropriate advances on his part. Jordan's response was that he wasn't going to "give up" meeting female students in private just because some of them made up junior high girl fantasies about him.

too which, i pointed out that any moderately intelligent man would know exactly how to create a situation without witnesses or documentation which could verify the student's story.

do you think that Peterson would know what kind of symptoms he would need to present with in order to get his attending psychiatrist to prescribe him benzos?

yeah, that's what i thought.

Blogger Doktor Jeep February 07, 2020 8:37 PM  

"which is a condition where the person feels an incredible, endless, irresistible restlessness, bordering on panic, and an inability to sit still."

Welcome to my world.

Blogger Arthur Isaac February 07, 2020 8:37 PM  

Just say no to benzos.

Blogger gooey andruy February 07, 2020 8:49 PM  

Benzo withdrawal is a nightmare. Dangerous too. But any decent doctor knows this.

Blogger weka February 07, 2020 9:07 PM  

@Capitel6 Can confirm.

In addition, this is why chronic benzo use for anxiety is discouraged... More than the well documented cognitive side effects.

Blogger Johnny February 07, 2020 9:12 PM  

Looking up Benzodiazepine on the internet, a class of drugs really, it sounds to me like he would be better off hooked on one of the more common narcotics. And some place along the line he got pneumonia? Apparently it was not fake, he was as unlikely as he seemed.

Blogger B February 07, 2020 9:15 PM  

In my opinion the Petersons - daddy & daughter - share the same pathological need to lie - and it would not surprise me if they believe their own tall tales, which seem to get more and more absurd and outlandish as time goes by. I do believe they are a very disturbed family. With respect to JBP, Vox Day hit the nail on the head with Jordanetics. Just another false messiah burying us in an avalanche of incoherent word salad... and I was one of the suckers who forked out $70 to see the Great Messiah at the Warner Theater in D.C. during the very early days of Jordanmania.

Blogger David Ray Milton February 07, 2020 9:25 PM  

And then he got AIDS. Did I mention that he has AIDS?

Blogger CCP February 07, 2020 9:29 PM  

I'm not ashamed for liking Vanilla Ice at age 15. I am ashamed for liking Jordan Peterson at age 45.

Blogger Zaklog the Great February 07, 2020 9:38 PM  

So . . . we can now conclude Peterson is a Russian asset?

Blogger Watcher of the skies February 07, 2020 9:57 PM  

He should try seeing the team of doctors at the Ben Taub psychiatric clinc in Houston, TX. It is the only one I know of that focuses on getting people off this garbage instead of prescribing crap so people can barely live and function (f you want to call it that). These guys are not popular but with a little effort even an evil guy like (((Jordan Peterson))) may buy a few days on earth and hopefully bend his knee before his maker. The Holy Spirit can make it happen. Evil is real.

Blogger tublecane February 07, 2020 9:57 PM  

That was a convulated way of saying: "My Daddy got hooked on benzos and had to go to Russia to kick."

How hard could it be to detox from those, by the way? Not as if they give you the D.T.s. Doing it with pneumonia is a complication, but apparently he got pneumonia in bad hospitals, so he probably shouldda kicked the benzos at home like a normal boy.

Peterson has to do things mytho-poetically, however. Find the ONE, TRUE clinic that may cure his illness, found in the Center of the Earth, guarded by a jealous dragon.

Blogger S. Thermite February 07, 2020 10:03 PM  

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Blogger Zaklog the Great February 07, 2020 10:05 PM  

@32 So my YouTube is now on it's own detox.

I believe there's a way to delete videos from your YT history so they no longer affect your recommendations.

https://www.adweek.com/digital/youtube-heres-how-to-remove-a-video-from-your-watch-history/

There ya go.

Blogger tublecane February 07, 2020 10:10 PM  

@24- Dollars to benzos she was named after Gorbachev.

Blogger Blue88 February 07, 2020 10:12 PM  

I really don't know anything about this guy, other than some mentions in blogs and articles and of course, here. I will say this. I once saw an older guy enter a rehab center for addiction to red wine and Benzodiazepine. The day he came in, he was walking, coherent and a "fare thee well" kind of guy. They cut him off, completely. 24 hours later, he was wheeled out in a wheelchair, on his way to a hospital, drooling and jerking and screaming.
They shouldn't have done that to him. Cold Turkey. But it was at the beginning of the Military's rehab effort
It was just awful to see.

Blogger Akulkis February 07, 2020 10:13 PM  

Hey, Russians know how to deal with substance abusers. Yeltsin, when he was Mayor of Moscow instituted the daily mirning soccer game for everyone on his staff. 8 AM sharp, mandatory participation, sun, rain, snow, didn't matter. Failure to play or arriving late was cause for immediate dismissal.

The Russia philisophy for treating substance abuse is like medieval English criminal justice -- you're going to hate it so much you'll fear being returned that you'll do anything to make sure nobody has cause to send there again.

Blogger Jeff Godley February 07, 2020 10:21 PM  

Follow Rule Number Two
And you'll end up in the ICU

Blogger Akulkis February 07, 2020 10:21 PM  

Re: Mukhaela

Remember, lefty Peterson has ALWAYS been a fan of the Soviet Union government. Russian name for a kid is a side effect.

Peterson's fight against the SJWs isn't because he's a "White" -- he's a Red; his beef with the radfems and other SJWs is literally the same as that which existed between the Mensheviks (gradualists) and the Bolsheviks (radical reforms -- don't wait for the edicts to be publushed and the public notified -- start enforcing the ideals...ALL of them, RIGHT NOW.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( i'm not shocked Bubba Wallace got outsmarted by a garage door ) February 07, 2020 10:46 PM  

24. James Dixon February 07, 2020 7:27 PM
Mikhaela??? WT actual F? How do they come up with these names?



in honor of Mikhail Gorbachev ... for saving the world from Ronnie Raygun's nuclear Armageddon.

Blogger Akulkis February 07, 2020 10:48 PM  

"The other thing I noticed is that she's traveling Russia with her husband and wearing her wedding ring again. So at least that is some good to come from this."

An American or Canadian woman in Russia is virtually helpless, even if she is fluent in Russian, as the Russians aren't too fond of their feminist ways. They will help an American man or couple.

Blogger sammibandit February 07, 2020 10:49 PM  

Re: Russia, I don't think Canada has an extradition treaty with Russia. Couldn't find them on the list.

He's ever the NDP socialist at heart.

Cosmopolitan, limousine liberal. Poufter. I gotta laugh at guys like him because they have no idea how weak they are in running away from problems they instigated.

Not if you're using your head. I always made a point to get 7 hours sleep per night. You won't retain anything if you're half-asleep.

Touché. That said, not all classes require close study and university row is never bunk with no bar customers during finals. I'd never pull that kind of stunt for classes needing a lot of visual-tactile learning though.

Frankly, I'm impressed with your diligence that's badass in an unexpected, what's-your-everyday-superpower way.

Blogger Newscaper312 February 07, 2020 10:50 PM  

It was really just another excuse to pick up some more of that sweet heroic Soviet Realism propaganda art.

Blogger Kiwi February 07, 2020 11:07 PM  

In Russian News

Shift workers claim to have seen a man escaping from the Moscow Elite Therapy Hospital (METH), late last night. One said, "he climbed down tied sheets, he stopped a few times and just hung there hooting out into the darkness like a crazed chimp, it looked like he had a book strapped to his leg"

Blogger Lazarus February 07, 2020 11:48 PM  

Ain't takin' muh damn pillz no mo'

Blogger Laconic February 07, 2020 11:53 PM  

He’s improving, and is off the horrible methication :)

Blogger Doktor Jeep February 08, 2020 12:25 AM  

It gets under my skin when observing how people take any and every drug the doctors tell them to, without question.
... or without reading that little insert that tells you about all the nasty shit that could happen.
Haven't taken a medication - and that last one was antibiotics - since 2005.

Blogger nswhorse February 08, 2020 12:32 AM  

How many words of that am I expected to believe?

Blogger Up from the pond February 08, 2020 12:40 AM  

Take your damn meds, he said.

Take them as prescribed, he said.

Next a cat will claw his face off. "Dad's facial reconstruction has been one of the most difficult things he has experienced."

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums February 08, 2020 1:24 AM  

When Taking Your Damn Pills Goes Too Far: The Jordan Peterson Story

Blogger HouellebecqGurl February 08, 2020 1:35 AM  

Why are you all accepting that everything Meat Girl is saying here is what happened?
None of this is true. This is all utter made up crap to explain why her daddy is a nut. Period.
And none of it happened like this.

Blogger JHypers February 08, 2020 1:41 AM  

Perhaps this was all a cover for him being a willing participant in the Russian Sleep Experiment.

Blogger Arthur Isaac February 08, 2020 1:55 AM  

What are these guys going to be like as the med supply line out of China screeches to a halt? Nuttery nuts.

Blogger Other Josh February 08, 2020 1:59 AM  

Heavenly Father, please grant Jordan the gift of repentance. He can't see unless You open his eyes (2 Timothy 2:24-26). Rescue him from the deception with which he is deceived. Rescue him from his master. Please use this hardship and suffering to turn his heart towards you. I pray for his salvation and his embrace of your truth. I humbly ask this in Jesus' name, amen.

Blogger Scuzzaman February 08, 2020 2:35 AM  

Life Lessons from Crazy Junkies.

What could possibly go wrong?

Blogger boogeyman February 08, 2020 2:35 AM  

In Soviet Russia, bedroom cleans YOU!

...
OK, that's all I got.

Blogger Dark glasses Woody February 08, 2020 2:46 AM  

Proclaiming the demise of the man may be premature. The broken are exulted in the lower circles of power, and the favoured armour of the world is damaged in the back.

Blogger SciVo February 08, 2020 3:08 AM  

@Shane Bradman:

If his medication is doing the complete opposite of what it's supposed to do, that sounds a lot like meth to me.

Yeah, it is even possible for it to happen autogenically. I literally take two prescribed drugs to not experience what other people take meth for.

So yeah, brain chemistry is hard.

Blogger Akulkis February 08, 2020 3:14 AM  

"It was really just another excuse to pick up some more of that sweet heroic Soviet Realism propaganda art."

If so, he'll be bitterly disappointed.

Russia's Antiquities Act prohibits exporting any work of art more than X years old from Russia. I can't remember the precise number for X, but it's around 10, and definitely less than 20.

Blogger I. Renarde February 08, 2020 4:36 AM  

Only if you have the money. Plenty of Americans go healthcare shopping as well.

Blogger Honingbij February 08, 2020 4:48 AM  

@55 and @24: Enough with the Michaela silliness. Michaela or Mikhaila is a Christian name. It is the female version of Michael -- as in St. Michael the Archangel. You know, the guy with the armor and a big sword.

Blogger Honingbij February 08, 2020 4:53 AM  

@Shane Bradman
I am in no way defending Peterson [father or daughter], but paradoxical reactions to medications are real.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15460178
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22272687

Blogger Sillon February 08, 2020 5:09 AM  

These people never stop telling lies. They tell layer over layer of lies.

Blogger Unknown February 08, 2020 5:17 AM  

Longterm Benzo withdrawal is a worse fate than Vietcong torture I assure you

Blogger Akulkis February 08, 2020 6:43 AM  

@Honingbij
I think they are noting slavic Mikhaila vs western Michelle. Both are the feminine derivative of Michael.

Blogger John Ferguson February 08, 2020 6:52 AM  

Despite Peterson's value, or lack thereof, I have a good friend who was (wrongly) given benzodiazepines for a sleep problem. The problems Peterson's daughter describes are real, on a biological level, despite any character flaws.

The addiction ruined my friend's life for 7 years. He was not an addictive-type personality and, though he tried repeatedly, tapering would throw him into seizures. The doctors he had access to were unhelpful. He researched and explored options and he did finally find an NAD treatment that remedied the addiction in a week of intense treatment. After that it took some time, but he was able to heal his body and recover from the ordeal. He's doing great now.

Despite some disagreements with Peterson, I wish him well in recovering from this particular addiction. It's pernicious.

Blogger Honingbij February 08, 2020 7:00 AM  

@80
No first hand knowledge of Vietcong torture, but a long Benzo withdrawal is, indeed, vicious and hellacious. Only those who have gone through it can know. It's neither a joke nor a lie.

Blogger Avalanche February 08, 2020 7:21 AM  

@28 "Can we expect his doctor to be censured for writing Peterson dangerous prescriptions long past the safe duration of use and dosage?"

But. but. but.... His doctor did not write the script for the meth.

Blogger Avalanche February 08, 2020 7:34 AM  

@45 "I am ashamed for liking Jordan Peterson"

Every semi-normal person feels this way after having been taken for a destructive ride by a sociopath. "How how HOW could I have been so blind, not seen him for what he was? I cannot ever trust myself again!"

But there is no shame in being 'used' by a master-user! That would like saying, "I've just learned to play golf -- but Jack Nicklaus just destroyed me on the links! It's because there must be something wrong with me!"

No, you were just WAY outclassed! Ol' Jordie is a (probably literally) insanely talented master at sociopathic manipulation of normal folks. {Raises a rueful hand:} He sure 'got' me!

Sociopaths are not normal, and normal people have no useful defenses against the first one they meet; and often not further ones if they're unfortunate enough to run into another.

Whenever you get 'down' on yourself for not seeing it, remind yourself you had a run-in with a tiger on the veldt -- and got away with with a mere financial scratch! GOOD for you!

Blogger Avalanche February 08, 2020 7:38 AM  

@55 "... Bolsheviks (radical reforms -- don't wait for the edicts to be published and the public notified -- start enforcing the ideals...ALL of them, RIGHT NOW."

Ah, so we call them "Democrats" and/or "Progressives" here in the U.S. now. Explains Northam and Bloomberg.

Blogger Boomer55 February 08, 2020 7:38 AM  

@80
I have had akathisia from talking damn BENADRYL. Little did I know that prozac is derived from benadryl.

From what I know, he was probably stepping on the gas with an amphetamine (It doesn't have to be "breaking bad" crystal meth) and then stepping on the breaks with a benzo, until the medicine simple poops out.

If Peterson is truly crazy, some Psychs would prescribe anti-psychotics, which are the heavy artillery of psych drugs that will help and screw you in 20 different ways.

Blogger VD February 08, 2020 7:42 AM  

But there is no shame in being 'used' by a master-user! That would like saying, "I've just learned to play golf -- but Jack Nicklaus just destroyed me on the links! It's because there must be something wrong with me!"

Yes, Avalanche, there is. I TOLD everyone what Jordan Peterson was. I saw it immediately. And yet four out of five people WHO HAD FOLLOWED ME FOR YEARS angrily argued with me and insisted that I was wrong.

There is no defense for that. This is precisely why I say that MPAI. Most people are idiots, by which I mean that they are primarily driven by what makes them feel good, which is to say that they are ruled by rhetoric. That is just as true of you, and the majority of people here (albeit a smaller majority than the norm), as it is of society in general.

But don't say there is no shame in it. It's not for you to judge you, it is for those who are not susceptible to rhetoric to judge you. There was massive quantities of evidence that Jordan Peterson was a fraud, and yet very few of you placed any weight on any of it... because he made you feel good.

And many of those who did will fall for the next person to make them feel good. Because MPAI.

Blogger Honingbij February 08, 2020 7:49 AM  

@81
No shit.
It's still a feeble, childish and silly attack.

Blogger Honingbij February 08, 2020 8:00 AM  

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Blogger Maximoushka February 08, 2020 8:04 AM  

MPAI, indeed
For i am one.

Blogger bramley says "Enoch was right" February 08, 2020 8:10 AM  

In retrospect, it seems he had been chipping away for years trying to get some recognition, appearing on public TV and so forth. His moment finally came and he grasped it for all it was worth, seeming to feel that people 'needed' his message, like a false messiah. I have often wondered why his time at Harvard was so brief. You'd think a bona fide academic would want to stay there as long as possible. The 'how nice to be back in Canada' argument seems thin gruel.

The problem with his method is that he uses a couple of books as a reference for everything and has massive gaps in his knowledge which lead him to feel that his attempts at bridging were truly novel concepts. 'Hard work' etc. When i found out he had been on anti-depressant medication for a long time, i couldn't help feel that he had been perpetuating a fraud and wasn't such a 'together' dude as he made out to be. Yes, i was taken in at first by his verbosity and facile erudition, but not without caveats, and my interest had been waning for a long time by the point i first encountered VD's criticisms of the guy which are so accurate it shattered the remaining vestiges of it.

He is the mad-lad's bad dad, sad.

Blogger Gregory the Tall February 08, 2020 8:22 AM  

Honingbij wrote:@55 and @24: Enough with the Michaela silliness. Michaela or Mikhaila is a Christian name. It is the female version of Michael -- as in St. Michael the Archangel. You know, the guy with the armor and a big sword.
There is an extremely high and not so silly probability, however, that the Petersons did not choose that name because of its Christian connotations.

Blogger tuberman February 08, 2020 8:25 AM  

HouellebecqGurl wrote:Why are you all accepting that everything Meat Girl is saying here is what happened?

None of this is true. This is all utter made up crap to explain why her daddy is a nut. Period.

And none of it happened like this.



I agree, daughter has the CON.

Blogger Gregory the Tall February 08, 2020 9:13 AM  

@90 An introduction to logic:
A. Peterson chose the name Mikhaila for his daughter to express his admiration for the Soviet Union and comrade Gorbachev and can therefore rightfully be regarded as a fan of the Soviet Union.
B. All people who chose or chooses the name Mikhaila for their daughters or for themselves are fans of the Soviet Union.
If A is not true, B might still be true.
If A is true, B is most certainly also true.

Blogger VFM #7634 February 08, 2020 9:19 AM  

There is an extremely high and not so silly probability, however, that the Petersons did not choose that name because of its Christian connotations.

IIRC she was actually named after Mikhail Gorbachev.

Blogger Johnny February 08, 2020 9:27 AM  

>>But there is no shame in being 'used' by a master-user!

How about shifting from shame to awareness. If by your nature you are a follower looking for a leader, be aware of it. For a mental tendency, shame tends to lead to denial and that leads to vulnerability. Be aware of your tendencies and give in to them if you choose to, but make it a choice, not reflexive.

By chance event I have been reading about Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism. Not a bad guy on a personal level, but a incompetent secular leader who had God tell him all sorts of unlikely things. Amazing what large numbers of people will go along with. We are a pack animal apparently, and staying with the pack is a big deal.

Blogger Scuzzaman February 08, 2020 9:37 AM  

MPAI, indeed
For i am one.


Our name is Legion
for we are many.

Blogger tublecane February 08, 2020 9:40 AM  

@89- There's something wrong with your brain on this subject.

Forget everything you know about derivations of "Michael." Ask why some Canadian surnamed Peterson would give his daughter a Russian-sounding name.

If the answer is because he admired a communist dictator, there's absolutely nothing wrong with "attack"-ing him for it.

Blogger Dole February 08, 2020 10:16 AM  

I stopped paying any attention to Peterson when Vox came out with his analysis. Time well spent...

Blogger Tars Tarkas February 08, 2020 10:28 AM  

Lies, lies and more lies. Low doses of benzos just will not have that big of an effect. If Peterson was having a hard time with withdrawal, they have ways of treating that. A low dose of Phenobarbital will take away most of the withdrawal. Benzo abuse is pretty common and so is its treatment. There is absolutely zero reason Peterson would have to go to Russia to be detoxed, especially if it was just at a therapeutic dose. Withdrawal symptoms are pretty minor at low therapeutic doses and very easy to treat. Either this entire thing has been made up, or he was taking way more than is being admitted. There is no known ld-50 for common benzos either. A determined addict can end up taking enormous amounts of it on a daily basis.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( i'm not shocked Bubba Wallace got outsmarted by a garage door ) February 08, 2020 1:38 PM  

67. HouellebecqGurl February 08, 2020 1:35 AM
And none of it happened like this.



oh, i believe he's addicted to benzos and that he went to Russia.

he lurves him some Muh Russia.


89. Honingbij February 08, 2020 7:49 AM
It's still a feeble, childish and silly attack.



naming his daughter "Mikhaela" is a feeble, childish and silly attack on Ronald Reagan, according to his own testimony ( there is a video in which he claims this out of his own mouth ) on the issue.

did you have a problem with that?

Blogger Up from the pond February 08, 2020 1:59 PM  

>>"Low doses of benzos just will not have that big of an effect."

Someone here said that that drug isn't supposed to be taken for longer than a few weeks. Comrade Mikhaela claimed Peterson was using it for YEARS. How can one take such a drug for years and not become an addict?

"Low-dose" forever regimens seem to be the vogue in medicine, though. Doctors seem to be taking the old saying "the dose makes the poison" a little too seriously. It starts with "half an aspirin a day keeps the cardiologist away," but it ends with a nation of junkies.

I don't have the answers.

Blogger sammibandit February 08, 2020 2:59 PM  

If the answer is because he admired a communist dictator, there's absolutely nothing wrong with "attack"-ing him for it.

I think it's the Romanian or Czech spelling, which in either case makes it worse. Guessing he was a big fan of the manufactured 1968 uprisings.

It's pronounced MISH-a-HAIL-a or MIK-a-HAIL-a in that part of the world and means who is like God.

But isn't it like JBP to take shelter under Christian auspices while building a shrine to the Prince of this World?

Blogger Zwiebel February 08, 2020 3:05 PM  

And... her mum?

Blogger Honingbij February 08, 2020 3:29 PM  

@102
Mea culpa. I did not realize the Peterson explicitly gave that reason for naming his daughter. Thanks for the correction.

Blogger Gregory the Tall February 08, 2020 7:42 PM  

@106
What a lame "mea culpa"! It does not matter if Peterson really gave that reason explicitly or if some of the people commenting here were just suspecting he did. Fact is it is plain paranoid to think that either of the two forementioned options would suggest that any other persons who go by the name Mikhaila (or the people who gave her that name) are fans of the Soviet Union. Plain paranoid.

Blogger Tars Tarkas February 08, 2020 8:55 PM  

Up from the pond wrote:Someone here said that that drug isn't supposed to be taken for longer than a few weeks. Comrade Mikhaela claimed Peterson was using it for YEARS. How can one take such a drug for years and not become an addict?

You cannot take the drug long term without becoming dependent, but that is not addiction. Addiction can basically be summed up by saying an inability to control usage. A person who is merely dependent can be given a 30 day supply at a lower dose and be expected to follow the lower dose. An addict, OTOH, will take the prescription and take the whole thing in 3 days.

At small therapeutic doses, benzo withdrawal isn't that bad for an otherwise healthy person even after years of daily use. The main symptom would probably be insomnia or anxiety. But you can also gradually reduce your dosage and the withdrawal is minimal to non existent. Where you hear about the severe stuff is that people can build an enormous tolerance for the stuff and be taking 10 or 20 or more pills a day.

Given what we know about Peterson, he is most likely lying about the details.

Blogger Karen took the Kids February 11, 2020 3:49 PM  

At least its definitely NOT meth.

Blogger Jack Morrow February 12, 2020 2:59 AM  

The disillusioned socialist from Fairview is wealthy enough to travel to Russia for his health care in order to avoid the results of the health care system that those of his political ilk are so proud of--such as this tragedy.

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