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Sunday, February 09, 2020

Don't talk to the media, Dilbert edition


The annoying thing is that no matter how many times people with experience like Stefan Molyneux, Mike Cernovich, Scott Adams and I point this out, almost everyone contacted by the media for one reason or another will excitedly take the bait, then complain that they were - surprise surprise - misrepresented, taken out of context, and attacked.

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Blogger Rakshasa February 09, 2020 12:01 PM  

Why should we have any sympathy for a guy who was cheating all his suppliers?

He even attacked the journalists with vile slander.

Blogger xsdenied February 09, 2020 12:05 PM  

"The sad thing is that no matter how many times people with experience like Stefan Molyneux, Mike Cernovich, Scott Adams and I point this out, almost everyone contacted by the media will excitedly take the bait, then complain that they were - surprise surprise - misrepresented, taken out of context, and attacked."

Why is that, you think?

Blogger Dan in Georgia February 09, 2020 12:15 PM  

Scott Adams was banned from a very lucrative speaking ($100k per speech, 5-10 per year) career for simply explaining how the now GEOTUS does what he does during the 2016 campaign. He at the same time lost most of his “friends” in Silicon Valley and cannot show his face at UC Berkeley where he earned his Masters and was a frequent lecturer.

All that said, he has FU money and seems pretty content.

Blogger VD February 09, 2020 12:24 PM  

Why is that, you think?

It depends on the person. For the average individual, the excitement of being on TV or in print and having their voice heard for once. For the aspiring commentator or influencer, the idea that they will somehow advance their media career. For the media whore, the addiction of attention.

In most instances, it is a mistake. The few times I have made exceptions, I have eventually regretted it. Now I refuse to talk to anyone in media, friend or foe, unless it is literally our media.

Blogger Dave February 09, 2020 12:46 PM  

Ah, good find. Scott called 'em Buzzflawed. Too bad he didn't go all out when drawing the stereotypical clickbait reporter.

Vox, what's worse, being called a pudgy miscreant or a racist?

Blogger VFM #7634 February 09, 2020 12:51 PM  

All that said, he has FU money and seems pretty content.

He's a Sigma, at least by California standards.

Blogger gsavli February 09, 2020 12:54 PM  

What about if they agree to you filmong the interview and agree you can release it publicly whenever you see fit? It is still your video against their newspaper article, i know, but what about this option?
(I had one longer and two short interviews so far, all were fair represenrations of whar i said).

Blogger VD February 09, 2020 12:58 PM  

what about this option?

It's stupid, it has been tried many times, and it does not make any difference whatsoever.

Blogger Gregory the Tall February 09, 2020 1:03 PM  

I get the impression that it has gotten much much worse over the last twenty years. I was interviewed by various newspapers in 2002/2003, and about 60 percent of them just wrote what I said. Some of the others, however, put a quite nasty slant to it that probably damaged my business at the time. Today I will decline any interview.

Blogger Warren C. Bennett February 09, 2020 1:04 PM  

After reading your opinion and that of many others, if I ever get to the point where media wants to contact me, I plan on refusing.

Blogger Boaty Bear February 09, 2020 1:05 PM  

From "12 Angry Men"

"This is a quiet, frightened, insignificant old man who has been nothing all his life, who has never had recognition, his name in the newspapers. Nobody knows him, nobody quotes him, nobody seeks his advice after seventy-five years. That's a very sad thing, to be nothing. A man like this needs to be recognized, to be listened to, to be quoted just once."

Even if it's BS made up by the Enemedia?

Blogger Lazarus February 09, 2020 1:12 PM  

Good summary of journalistic ethics.

Blogger Hari Seldon February 09, 2020 1:30 PM  

One of the most shocking examples of media bias (if not sociopathy) I have ever seen was the Bloomberg profile of Adams that mentioned his 28-year-old girlfriend's bra size but not her advanced degree from UC Berkeley. In most other contexts this would be considered atrociously misogynistic. That a business magazine would stoop this low struck me as unbelievable, though I shouldn't have been too surprised.

Blogger Crew February 09, 2020 1:34 PM  

Heh. Perhaps Buzzfeed will sue on the grounds that they are not smart enough to use words like "Pudgy Miscreant"!

Blogger Dole February 09, 2020 1:44 PM  

Respect to Scott Adams for drawing that. Interesting guy...

Blogger eldiabloloco February 09, 2020 1:57 PM  

Heh. Devin Nunes now paraphrasing Vox.

Blogger Pathfinderlight February 09, 2020 2:10 PM  

One reason for Vox's opinion on this is a difference in reach. Their written article reaches millions of views while your video reaches maybe a few thousand. Or, if you use an SJW converged platform, the video can be banned for fake TOS reasons as soon as it becomes inconvenient enough.

Blogger Unknownsailor February 09, 2020 2:25 PM  

gsavli wrote:What about if they agree to you filmong the interview and agree you can release it publicly whenever you see fit? It is still your video against their newspaper article, i know, but what about this option?

(I had one longer and two short interviews so far, all were fair represenrations of whar i said).

In a world where anyone can get their message out to a larger audience than the media has now, the entire premise of talking to the MSM for press coverage is flawed at the base assumption level.

What part of "don't talk to media" do you not understand?

Blogger Statix February 09, 2020 2:28 PM  

I don't think I've ever laughed at a single Dilbert cartoon.

Blogger Duke Norfolk February 09, 2020 2:47 PM  

@17 Yes. The threat that you'll put the un-edited version up on your web page where nobody who read the hit piece will see it is, well, empty. If a tree falls in a forest..., and all that.

Blogger Duke Norfolk February 09, 2020 2:50 PM  

Of course if Scott really wanted to get closer to the whole truth he would have used a phonied name for the NYT or WA Post. This way he just implies that it's just the lowly Buzzfeed types doing this.

Blogger Doktor Jeep February 09, 2020 3:25 PM  

Most of these journalists should be in prison

Blogger kapy53 February 09, 2020 3:31 PM  

What if you're a musician or other artist trying to promote a tour, or gallery opening? Just give a blanket PR thing or take the gamble on "not doin press" ala Prince and hope that works?

Blogger Griffin the Grey February 09, 2020 3:32 PM  

Filming it is, indeed, a very poor defence.

The whole point of going on some media outlet's platform is to get distribution to an audience that is not your own. The reasons for wanting that differ, but that is what you are getting from them.

Even without a video record, your own audience, however you reach them, and whatever its size, will be willing to listen to a reasonable explanation of what happened.

Those in the media outlet's audience that are not already a part of your audience will be less likely after the attack piece, than they were before it, to ever become a part of your audience or to give you the benefit of any doubt.

The support, likely small, if any, that you manage to gain from any members of the media's audience, or the wider world, that seek you out after seeing you attacked, or hearing about the attack, and agree with your reasoning is unlikely to be anywhere near worth the damage done to you across the rest of the media's audience and those that listen to members of the media's audience. Damage that can cause serious problems in the life of yourself, your family, and your friends.

Besides, any reasonable people from the media outlet's audience that seek you out after such an attack to see your response, that come in good faith, will listen to a reasonable explanation and will not, for the most part, if at all, need a full, or even partial, video record to understand or accept your explanation as that is what it is to be both reasonable and to have good faith. Nobody unreasonable or of bad faith that seeks you out is going to be much affected by the video record as that is what it is to be either unreasonable or to have bad faith, or both.

That you have a full record of events will be largely irrelevant when you are under attack as it won't do much to repair the damage amongst those in some way affected by the attack that are not already a part of your audience as they will not, for the most part, if at all, see it and will not be interested in seeing it or to listening closely to anybody that talks about it (attention, especially fair-minded attention, is hard to get, especially from those already disposed to not liking you after having seen you attacked in the media). Those that are already a part of your audience will not, for the most part, if at all, need a full, or even partial, video record.

It isn't that it cannot help at all to have a video record, but that it does not overcome the core damage as it is only a record of what happened when what you need is the means to distribute your counter-attack/defence message to the audience that saw the attack in a way that allows things to be repaired (assuming it can be, some people will never be convinced once they've decided on such things). It is just the wrong tool to overcome the core damage from this type of attack.

So, as has been said, do not speak to the media and certainly do not think that a video record will be the means of your salvation if you do.

Blogger Kiwi February 09, 2020 3:46 PM  

Heh, sometimes Dilbert is gold.

I haven't checked in on SA for over a year, I should see if he's changed his approach on anything. He was deterministic last time I looked. Interesting guy.

Blogger Griffin the Grey February 09, 2020 3:46 PM  

Indeed, video won't save the media whore.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 09, 2020 3:49 PM  

Statix wrote:I don't think I've ever laughed at a single Dilbert cartoon.
Permanent unemployment is nothing to brag about.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( the worst problem with being an inveterate smartass; no one knows when to take you seriously ) February 09, 2020 4:17 PM  

it's the same function as it being almost impossible for defense lawyers to get people / clients to understand that YOU DO NOT MAKE STATEMENTS TO THE POLICE WITHOUT YOUR LAWYER PRESENT.

most people have a low level Narcissist desire to be publicly known and heard ... just look at all of the idiots jamming the background of sports and morning shows.

the rush to get in front of cameras in the aftermath of the twin towers was probably the most indecent example:
"Oh my, I'm so traumatized by this tragedy ... but at least I got to show my face on national tv!"

couple that with a general expectation that cops and reporters are "good guys" who are honestly trying to find out a Truthful, or at least balanced, narrative representation of what actually happened.


Rule #1 in this video in response to the question of "Why not talk to the police?" is
1 - There is no way it can help.
a. you can't talk your way out of being arrested
b. you can't give them any information that will help at trial
c. what you tell the police is only admissible at trial if it is offered against you by the prosecutor

it shouldn't take much imagination to modify this rule and explanatory clauses to apply to the MSM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

just for reference, the cop who responds for the last half of this video? he agrees with every assertion made by the law professor.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( the worst problem with being an inveterate smartass; no one knows when to take you seriously ) February 09, 2020 4:34 PM  

the cartoon is not funny because the established character of the Pointy Haired Boss isn't smart enough to throw out the reporter.

Blogger SciVo February 09, 2020 4:37 PM  

@bob mando:

it's the same function as it being almost impossible for defense lawyers to get people / clients to understand that YOU DO NOT MAKE STATEMENTS TO THE POLICE WITHOUT YOUR LAWYER PRESENT.

I have heard that instead of pleading the 5th, you should now plead the 6th. Is that right?

Blogger Dire Badger February 09, 2020 4:46 PM  

kapy53 wrote:What if you're a musician or other artist trying to promote a tour, or gallery opening? Just give a blanket PR thing or take the gamble on "not doin press" ala Prince and hope that works?

If you are trying to become a celebrity, they are your masters. Do whatever they desire.

Practice the following Phrases: "I support that LGTQ's tremendous struggle and appreciate the contribution they have made to the community"
"Straight White men are destroying art"

And don't forget to occasionally mention what an amazing role model some dead black gangsta rapper or Lisa 'eyehole screw' Lopez was.

You'll be fine.

Blogger Ransom Smith February 09, 2020 5:11 PM  

What if you're a musician or other artist trying to promote a tour, or gallery opening?
Internet Historian had a video recently about the history of No Man's Sky and Sean Murray the CEO/Dev lead.
Long and short, part of the issue Hello games had was the media constantly spinning things as promised features in the game. Sean Murray vaguely said character customization would kinda sorta be available. The media said it was an absolute guarantee.
Never trust the media.

Blogger lowercaseb February 09, 2020 5:17 PM  

Statix wrote:I don't think I've ever laughed at a single Dilbert cartoon.

That's probably because you've made wise choices in your jobs. I've noticed that I find Dilbert strips funny when I've gotten stuck in sucky jobs and kinda blah when I'm working a good, solid contract.

Blogger cyrus83 February 09, 2020 5:44 PM  

The same warning applies to media interviewers as to anything else that is "free" - if the media isn't being paid to do the story by the interviewee, the interviewee is the product being used to sell whatever the media wants to sell.

I get that some people want or feel they need the positive promotion, but the best way to do that aside from word of mouth is purchasing paid advertising where the presentation is controlled by the purchaser.

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei February 09, 2020 6:59 PM  

"But what about your fans? Their money makes your lifestyle possible, so you OWE it to them to talk to me!"

Blogger kapy53 February 09, 2020 7:02 PM  

There's a difference between wanting "celebrity" and just wanting to create art.

Usually I just name-drop Dick Gregory to seem "hip".

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 09, 2020 7:11 PM  

Don't talk to the media doesn't just apply to public figures.

Let's say an Average Joe has a legitimate self defense shooting in his home. Totally clean shoot.

Average Joe screws up and puts the shotgun back in the gun safe with rest of his guns and the cops impound everything for evidence.

Average Joe then talks to that very friendly and sympathetic journalist who just wanted to hear "his side of the story".

And Average Joe angrily mentions that the cops grabbed his shotgun, his Remington 700 and his Glock 19. Plus three boxes of ammo.

THE POLICE REMOVED AN ARESENAL FROM THE HOME OF...

Blogger Q February 09, 2020 9:22 PM  

Latest one is JFG driving a whole day to meet some reporters who were supposedly making a documentary about youtubers. Turns out their agenda was to paint youtubers as causing mass shootings. JF did not even ask them to reimburse the money he spent on gas. Then he, a self admitted autist, brags about how deftly he handles the interview. Can't wait to see the hit piece.

Blogger JonM February 10, 2020 2:18 AM  

In the past year I have had two chances to tell an interviewer to go stuff it.

It's hard to imagine any piece run on TV that would give half the satisfaction of laughing in a reporter's face and watching them boggle and sputter in shock.

If you ever get the chance, take it. It is rediculously satisfying.

Blogger Akulkis February 10, 2020 3:24 AM  

If you've never laughed at a single Dilbert cartoon then either

1) you are too dull-witted to recognize the patterns throughout the most workplaces and the greater culture in the U.S.

Or
2) you have had a very sheltered life

Or 3)

You are part of the "toxic management" culture which is actively killing our country the same way gangrene kills a person.

Blogger Miguel February 10, 2020 3:42 AM  

LOL

Man, that final imagem made me laugh a lot. haha

Blogger Tars Tarkas February 10, 2020 9:37 AM  

Stefan just uploaded a clip of him appearing in the media. Though it went very well for him. It was friendly media. Even when the media is friendly, there is still a lot of potential downside. That is a lesson he has not yet learned.

Cataline Sergius wrote:And Average Joe angrily mentions that the cops grabbed his shotgun, his Remington 700 and his Glock 19. Plus three boxes of ammo.

THE POLICE REMOVED AN ARESENAL FROM THE HOME OF...


Everything you say to the media is admissible in a court. Even if you don't say anything at all to trip yourself up, it could be used to impeach your character. Not to mention if you are not reacting exactly as the cops think you should be reacting, it will be seen as suspicious.

Even if someone kidnaps your child and you beg the public to help find that child, it could come back to bite you. It is even more important for Joe Average in a situation like this to avoid the media than it is for people like Stefan to avoid it. There is almost unlimited downside (life in prison or worse for a crime you did not commit) and very little potential upside. If your spouse or kid is killed, guess who the number one suspect is!

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia February 10, 2020 10:56 AM  

Dan in Georgia wrote:Scott Adams was banned from a very lucrative speaking ($100k per speech, 5-10 per year) career for simply explaining how the now GEOTUS does what he does during the 2016 campaign. He at the same time lost most of his “friends” in Silicon Valley and cannot show his face at UC Berkeley where he earned his Masters and was a frequent lecturer.

All that said, he has FU money and seems pretty content.


I think he's actually having the time of his life.

I check out his Periscopes from time to time, particularly when he's dealing with Sam Harris. There was one where he absolutely demolished Harris when Sam in his podcast was making claims about what's inside Scott's head.

Adams just eviscerated him.

In a periscope just a few days ago, Harris came up again. Harris apparently admitted he may have Trump Derangement Syndrome, though Sam also said that Trump is effectively Chauncey Gardner from "Being There" -- i.e, a guy who is effectively an empty suit with no real intelligence.

Harris then made what Adams called a "provocative claim" -- namely Harris would change his mind if he could have a one-on-one conversation with Trump, and thus could immediately recognize if Trump was a normal person.

So Scott says, you know, I HAD a personal private conversation with Trump in the Oval Office (one other person was there, presumably a Secret Service guy), and he was just like any normal college educated guy who knew about a bunch of stuff.

Ergo, Chauncey Gardner hypothesis debunked.

It was hilarious.

Harris may not be a Chauncey Gardner, but he certainly has a moronic turn of mind.

Blogger Oswald February 10, 2020 3:49 PM  

New Rumor: Q reads Dilbert.

Blogger Karen took the Kids February 10, 2020 3:56 PM  

"They've screwed literally everyone who's come in contact with them but maybe, just maybe, I'll be the one to finally convince everyone that the LeFt ArE the ReAl RaCiStS"
Every single time.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 11, 2020 5:12 PM  

gsavli wrote:What about if they agree to you filmong the interview and agree you can release it publicly whenever you see fit?
Dude, seriously? If you can get your message out there more effectively than the media whores, why are you bothering with the media whores in the first place?

If this could work, it would be pointless, but it can't work.

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