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Friday, February 21, 2020

Repatriation or war

Those are always just two options. And there is no guarantee the native population will win the latter:
An Indian minister known for fiery and inflammatory rhetoric has declared that India’s Muslims should have been shipped to Pakistan at the time of partition in 1947, arguing the move would have saved the country a lot of trouble.

The controversial comment came from Giriraj Singh, minister of Animal Husbandry, Dairy and Fisheries, during a recent address in Purnia. He suggested that widespread unrest over two contentious laws – the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA) and a proposed National Register of Citizens (NRC) – could have been avoided had Indian Muslims been deported to Pakistan when the country was divided from present-day India.

“It is the time to commit ourselves to the nation. Before 1947, [Muhammad Ali] Jinnah pushed for an Islamic nation. It was a big lapse by our ancestors that we're paying the price for,” Singh said.
From Canaan to Byzantium to the USA to India, the lesson is the same: always, Always, ALWAYS sink the damn ships. As Australia can confirm, the rabbits are never good for the native species.

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Blogger D E K February 21, 2020 5:14 AM  

Islam is more like a mind fog, which spreads through oppression and low IQ population.
I don't like the Chinese government and their tactics, but their fight against Islam is right now the only one, which seems to create some success.

Blogger Scuzzaman February 21, 2020 5:26 AM  

Sounds like separate but equal.

Not popular now, once considered a sensible solution to innate cultural and developmental differences.

One can hear the Twitter storms already.

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei February 21, 2020 5:40 AM  

The only reason we don't hear the same "controversial comments" from Islamic countries is that no non-Muslims want to live in those suppurating puspits.

Neither do most Muslims.

Blogger notjoshing February 21, 2020 5:42 AM  

Americans may well be more like the Phorusrhacids, terror birds, than rabbits: fierce and dominant in South America, they failed to spread successfully across the land bridge to North America despite their seeming advantages. Instead, the predators migrating from the north supplanted them. They needed a wall. They died without it.

Blogger pdwalker February 21, 2020 6:02 AM  

we’re always relearning the mistakes of our ancestors.

Blogger Scuzzaman February 21, 2020 6:10 AM  

In related news, protesters in Ukraine have attacked a bus full of Coronavirus refugees out of China.

Doesn’t sound very tolerant of the newest candidates for EU inclusion.

Blogger Brett baker February 21, 2020 6:13 AM  

Sink the damn ships, and create a 10 mile wide kill zone at the land borders.

Blogger Iamblichus February 21, 2020 6:17 AM  

The confronting part about this story is that even INDIANS still understand what the word NATION means

Blogger PurpleMelbourne February 21, 2020 6:42 AM  

Too bloody right mate!

Blogger Wazdakka February 21, 2020 6:52 AM  

With chagrin the boomer cries "It's 1939, all over again."

"Yes" replies the zoomer, with a grin.

Blogger Robert Browning February 21, 2020 7:00 AM  

Yeah but God wants us to treat others as we would like to be treated. The ancestors of Giriraj Singh had more respect for God and Gods laws.

Blogger Crew February 21, 2020 7:04 AM  

Yes, and this little event might embolden other Germans.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/8-dead-twin-shootings-germany-014046250.html

Of course, the cucks are screaming "racism, far right, Nazis ..." but it is too late for that.

Blogger Dole February 21, 2020 7:07 AM  

The legend of Troy already teaches us - don not let the "gift horse" in, sink the ships.

Blogger Doktor Jeep February 21, 2020 7:12 AM  

It's much easier when people who need to go have somewhere to be deported to.
This is why I'm pro Israel.

Blogger Richard February 21, 2020 7:13 AM  

While certainly not fan of Bernie Sanders, he is indeed correct in identifying who the real enemy is--the money people (owners of banks and insurance companies). Operation Barbarossa would never have happened if the 'money people' who put (and maintained) Hitler in power had been given sufficient motivation to NOT provide that support. Absent that motivation, they continued to send German draftees into the meat grinder of the eastern front. Targeting the money sources would be a much more cost-effective approach—but the motivation would have to be sufficient.

Blogger sysadmn February 21, 2020 7:31 AM  

Off topic, but Tyler Cowen links to The Missionary Roots of Liberal Democracy.

This article demonstrates historically and statistically that conversionary Protestants (CPs) heavily influenced the rise and spread of stable democracy around the world. It argues that CPs were a crucial catalyst initiating the development and spread of religious liberty, mass education, mass printing, newspapers, voluntary organizations, and colonial reforms, thereby creating the conditions that made stable democracy more likely. Statistically, the historic prevalence of Protestant missionaries explains about half the variation in democracy in Africa, Asia, Latin America and Oceania and removes the impact of most variables that dominate current statistical research about democracy. The association between Protestant missions and democracy is consistent in different continents and subsamples, and it is robust to more than 50 controls and to instrumental variable analyses.

Blogger Pratisara February 21, 2020 8:13 AM  

India's case is different because Muslims demanded secession (based on religion). So the minister is right.

Not sure if such demands were made in other cases (Canaan etc)

Blogger Richard February 21, 2020 8:15 AM  

While certainly not fan of Bernie Sanders, he is indeed correct in identifying who the real enemy is--the money people (those who finance the movement of the immigrants). Operation Barbarossa would never have happened if the 'money people' who put (and maintained) Hitler in power had been given sufficient motivation to NOT provide that support. Absent that motivation, they continued to send poor draftees into the meat grinder of the eastern front. Targeting the money sources would be a much more cost-effective approach—but the motivation would have to be sufficient.

Blogger pnq87 February 21, 2020 8:17 AM  

This smacks of facism, racism, religious persecution, and genocide all rolled into one. As Americans with American Values (TM) it is our duty to destroy the Indo-Nazis. Never again! Open the borders to the scapegoated Muslims and prepare for war with the Indo-Nazis!

Blogger urthshu February 21, 2020 8:20 AM  

>minister of Animal Husbandry
Well, he ought to know

Blogger Johnny February 21, 2020 8:43 AM  

Good old Islam. You may not be at war with it, but it is at war with you. Back we go, back to a seventh century warlord culture.

Blogger Sillon February 21, 2020 8:52 AM  

"The time of partition in 1947"

Classic eternal anglo move, divided and conquered.

The partition was not taken well by both the elites as well as the large middle-class from the Hindu Bengali community who recognised it as a “divide and rule” policy.

Thus:

The violent partition of British India way back in 1947 however developed a strenuous, complex and largely hostile relationship between India and Pakistan that prevail till today.

Top notch strategy.

Blogger Sillon February 21, 2020 8:56 AM  

On the previous comment I made a typo; I meant to say (((The eternal anglos)))

Blogger Ken Prescott February 21, 2020 8:57 AM  

Worth remembering that one of the pillars of American exceptionalism is that American religious observance was primarily through churches that were more bottom-up than top-down in organization, and those churches were the primary source of missionaries.

Blogger SouthRon February 21, 2020 9:22 AM  

Giriraj Singh by his name would be a Sikh. They have a far better understanding than most Americans of the destructiveness of Islam and what Moslems believe and practice under the veil of NAMALT. The have dealt with them for centuries and not on friendly terms. You want to see a "pacifist" seek get pissed, watch when someone mistakes them for or compares them to a Moslem.

Had all Moslems been thrown out of India, even our current H-1B clusterfest would be better than it is. It has been my observation over the years that the Moslem Indians are the worst and lowest performing of the group. Their duplicity is often seen by the usage of M. in their name to hide the Muhammad and avoid scaring the natives.

Blogger Crush Limbraw February 21, 2020 9:27 AM  

"Reality is a Bitch!" - try that word search in DaLimbraw Library - or just Reality - it's an education from history.
While dreams of innovation in technology have advanced our lifestyle - wishin'n'hopin' haven't done much for human nature, which has a tendency to tear it down!

Blogger Miguel February 21, 2020 9:36 AM  

The indian man is right. It's never a good ideia to keep muslims among you.

Blogger Oswald February 21, 2020 9:42 AM  

There have always been Islamic fundamentalists rising up to live the Koran more faithfully than most Muslims, which means murder, rape, and slavery. ISIS is actually a faithful interpretation of Islamic principles. The Muslims of India, or should I say some subset of the Muslims of India, represent a future bloodbath for India. This is true of any place that has Muslims residing in it. There is a chance, that at any given time period, a fundamentalist group will rise up to faithfully follow the Koran to the detriment of anyone living near them. The only solution for others living near them is to deport them to Muslim lands. This is harsh, but if you have a Lion cub in your home, do you wait for it to become a Lion before you deal with it, or do you do something about it while it is still small?

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 February 21, 2020 9:46 AM  

You forgot to mention what Joseph did to Egypt, essentially enslaving the native population to the Pharaoh while ensuring that their livestock was confiscated by the Israelites.

And they still don't understand why later Pharaohs enslaved them.

Blogger Sam February 21, 2020 9:52 AM  

@16
Every developed democracy (except Israel) has a below replacement birth rate, so this is a rather substantial negative.

Blogger RC February 21, 2020 9:56 AM  

Powhatan and his conquered people concur: "Sink the damn ships!"

Blogger matism February 21, 2020 9:59 AM  

The Chinese understand the folly of the idea that one must "win their hearts and minds." I note that our "leaders" have no problems with Sherman's tactics...

Blogger buwaya February 21, 2020 10:05 AM  

The Indian case is rather different. As far as DNA goes Indian Muslims are - almost - as subcontinental as anyone else there. They are impossible to distinguish from others in their locality. Which is one reason, possibly, why they run Bollywood. They can pass as anyone, in the movies anyway.

As for the mixture of Central Asian elements in Indian Muslims this seems to be very small, and from an outsiders POV would seem to be overwhelmed by the variety of physiognomies already in India anyway. If one is dealing with Punjabi Sikhs, Bengalis, Tamils and all those other rather distinct lots as it is ...

What seems to be different, possibly, about Indian Muslims is they are less pigeonholed into localized caste groups as the rest. That "structure" in Indian genetics is quite a revelation - I refer you to Razib Khans blogs on the subject. Castes can, it seems, be distinguished genetically and they have been distinct for hundreds of generations.

So unlike other cases of mixed populations this one is entirely "cultural". Making it worse, possibly, is the difficulty or impossibility of going back, so to speak, re-converting to Hinduism. That is impossible, one has to be born that way. The usual Muslim way out is secularization, but that does not get one out of the target range of Hindu activists. Perhaps they can become Sikhs, but thats got its own set of problems.

Blogger D Zniger February 21, 2020 10:07 AM  

@Pratisara your comment might qualify for the wise boy award. Next time just assume we already know and Vox does it know 100% for sure.
If you find it irresistible to correct anything written here, then you should contemplate about the possibility that you are deep down an anklebiter and you should begin your journey to better yourself.

Blogger buwaya February 21, 2020 10:13 AM  

Jinnah wandered into the Muslim separatism thing almost by accident. I dont know the entire truth of it but it struck me as a temporary, tactical maneuver in the intra-independence movement power struggles that snowballed far beyond what the leaders intended at the time (the 1910s-30s). Yes Pakistan is something of an accident.

It was the British btw that created the whole concept of "India" as an entity, and of generic Indian identity and patriotism. Even the Hindu nationalists speak and think of themselves in a frame the British gave them. This is also true of other ex-colonial nations of course.

Anonymous Anonymous February 21, 2020 10:21 AM  

I wonder to what extent the Sikhs act comparable to the Jewish community in India in its third-wheel minority status that is used to play both sides of a power dynamic in order to keep the other side in check with expected rewards of being given wealth and influence that exceeds its rightful status based on its numbers and pertinence to the culture. It would appear Sikhs are trying desperately to extend that status over to the Western Hemisphere -- see Jagmeet Singh in Canada and the acceptance of Nikki Haley, a complete foreigner with no legitimacy in the right-wing tradition, pretending to have any right to be the face of South Carolina southerners. It would appear any and all third-wheel minorities used for such purposes are now being imported and used as the only political classes allowed to represent the majority populace. It is similar to Anthony Scalia, Catholic Italian man, and Clarence Thomas, Black Gullah Southerner, being propped up as the faces of traditionalist law-giving - you are only allowed to exist through the gatekeeping of your enemies. It's absurd.

Blogger buwaya February 21, 2020 10:21 AM  

When speaking of India, on several levels, you need to think of it as you would of the European Union, not really a nation state. Its a bit like the EU, but a century or so down the line. The base linguistic differences are more extreme than those of Europe.

Blogger Shane Bradman February 21, 2020 10:22 AM  

Never import cane toads. They're very bad at protecting the sugar canes from insects, the reason they were imported, and extremely good at reproducing.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 21, 2020 10:26 AM  

D E K wrote:Islam is more like a mind fog, ...
Islam in a man is like rabies in a dog. Some famous dude said that, but it's true anyway.

Blogger Bernard Korzeniewicz February 21, 2020 10:26 AM  

@Richard
Bank of England called the debt of the 3Reich 20 of August 1939.
Hitler, with Army on Polish borders, was given the alternative: war or bankrupt.

Blogger Yukichi Sensei February 21, 2020 10:41 AM  

For an example where this happened fully, see Post WW1 Ottoman Empire. From 1918-1922 there was widespread repatriation. Greeks, Armenians, Turks, Arabs, all traveled to their 'home' nations (newly made ones.) They were not easy, as shown by the Armenian one, but by the 1920s it was a full scale war on all sides.

It seems to require the founding of new nations out of the death of an empire. Like India.

Blogger awildgoose February 21, 2020 10:47 AM  

D E K wrote:Islam is more like a mind fog, which spreads through oppression and low IQ population.

I don't like the Chinese government and their tactics, but their fight against Islam is right now the only one, which seems to create some success.


Islam is a totalist system that seeks world domination. That goal is stated over and over in their fundamental texts and the opinions of their jurists.

The Burmese are also fighting back, even in the face of immense Western pressure.

Blogger TMLutas February 21, 2020 11:02 AM  

You're missing an option, conversion. It happens. A famous example would be Russia but it's certainly not the only one.

Blogger RJ February 21, 2020 11:13 AM  

Robert Browning wrote:Yeah but God wants us to treat others as we would like to be treated.

No. God wants us to treat our NEIGHBORS as we would like to be treated.

And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying, "Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?" He said to him, "What is written in the Law? How do you read it?" And he answered, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself." And he said to him, "You have answered correctly; do this, and you will live." But he, desiring to justify himself, said to Jesus, "And who is my neighbor?" Jesus replied, "A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and he fell among robbers, who stripped him and beat him and departed, leaving him half dead. Now by chance a priest was going down that road, and when he saw him he passed by on the other side. So likewise a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. But a Samaritan, as he journeyed, came to where he was, and when he saw him, he had compassion. He went to him and bound up his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he set him on his own animal and brought him to an inn and took care of him. And the next day he took out two denarii and gave them to the innkeeper, saying, 'Take care of him, and whatever more you spend, I will repay you when I come back.' Which of these three, do you think, proved to be a neighbor to the man who fell among the robbers?" He said, "The one who showed him mercy." And Jesus said to him, "You go, and do likewise.

I don't know about you, but I'm not expecting to receive much mercy from the jihadists.

Blogger tublecane February 21, 2020 11:13 AM  

@2- If you wanna think about it that way, the original partition between India and Pakistan/Bangladesh was based on common-sense segregation principles. Though there were a complicated number of sub-ethnicities involved. For instance the Sikhs.

In 1947, something like 10 million Indians were in Muslim territory, and half that number of Muslims were in the opposite. The British Raj had pulled up stakes and there was no outside order directing anything. Voluntary migration--because people naturally want to live with their own kind--and territorial dispute (in the Punjab and elsewhere) led to who knows how many deaths? 2 million?

Imagine it being "controversial" to say ethnic cleansing should have been done right when as it was possibly 2 million people died in chaos? Possibly could have been worse, but that's a big cushion for error.

Not to mention all the trouble there has been since between the two countries which could have been forestalled by a clean break.

Of course, there were forced migrations conducted by supposedly responsible governments in the 20th century that went even worse. See: the partition of Germany.

Blogger Kraemer February 21, 2020 11:14 AM  

Idk how we're supposed to wage war whem all our tech capabilities are staffed by H1-B Indo-Nazis
*Sound of boomer heads exploding in the distance*

Blogger grey February 21, 2020 11:27 AM  

Hebrews were justified killing in their conquest of the holy land, Canaanites equally justified killing to keep them out?

Blogger Jack Amok February 21, 2020 11:41 AM  

...it is our duty to destroy the Indo-Nazis.

Well, they are Aryans after all.

Blogger peacefulposter February 21, 2020 12:00 PM  

Those Muslims and Hindus share the same DNA. They are of the same nation.

But deporting Muslims from India is the type of civic nationalism that I can support. Too bad we can't deport atheists from America.






Blogger Up from the pond February 21, 2020 12:12 PM  

As The Offspring said: "Keep 'em separated."

Blogger Scuzzaman February 21, 2020 12:14 PM  

"They're very bad at protecting the sugar canes from insects, the reason they were imported, and extremely good at reproducing."

So, an apt parallel for the asians, then?

Blogger PH February 21, 2020 12:17 PM  

@Sillon, partition happened after Independence. Partition was nothing to do with the British.

Blogger Just_George February 21, 2020 12:21 PM  

Islam is Evil.

Blogger Homesteader February 21, 2020 12:21 PM  

There are 57 member states in the Organization of Islamic Cooperation.

Muslims have a good portion of the world as the Dar Al-Islam;
only a foolish, short-sighted, childishly self- destructive people would allow them
unfettered access to the Dar-Al-Harb.

Oh wait..

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 21, 2020 12:22 PM  

matism wrote:The Chinese understand the folly of the idea that one must "win their hearts and minds."
Win 'em, and preserve 'em in formalin.

Blogger Pratisara February 21, 2020 12:22 PM  

This is not about me.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 21, 2020 12:34 PM  

RJ wrote:No. God wants us to treat our NEIGHBORS as we would like to be treated.
In that parable, the neighbor is the one who loves you and takes care of you. The mohammedans aren't ever going to be our neighbors.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 21, 2020 12:50 PM  

sysadmn wrote:It argues that CPs were a crucial catalyst initiating the development and spread of religious liberty,
Stop right there. Nobody believes in religious liberty, unless they are the religious minority that will benefit from it. Much as Communists argue for Free Speech when they have no power to compel others.
C. F. the Reformation, the 30 years war, Calvinist Geneva, Tudor England, every single American colony. There was on colony that had a modicum of religious liberty, Maryland, because it was a refuge for Catholics under a Protestant king. As soon as Protestants became the majority, the religious liberty law was scrapped.
Freedom of religion holds only when there is no majority sect, and everyone is reasonably sure the others would outlaw their sect if given the chance.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants February 21, 2020 1:01 PM  

Also in related news, that bogtrotting SOB from Trump's admin, Mick Mulvaney, has said what America DESPERATELY needs is more legal immigrants.
As someone who is 28% Irish potato n****r, I can confidently say the Irish were a huge mistake.

Sorry, mom.

Blogger Akulkis February 21, 2020 1:15 PM  

"Perhaps they can become Sikhs, but thats got its own set of problems."

I might be wrong, but I sincerely doubt that is even possible.

Do you know why every Sikh boy is given a dagger (ceremonial with dull edges in the U.S. and a few other countries) when he reaches the age of 12, and instructed to keep it on his person at all times?

It's in rememberance of when the Moslems were actively killing every Sikh they could find. I might be wrong, but doubt the Sikhs will ever trust any Moslem coming them and saying he wants to convert.

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Blogger buwaya February 21, 2020 2:11 PM  

A lot of Sikhs, historically, were Muslim converts. It still happens I understand. But Sikhs don't proselytize much.

Blogger rumpole5 February 21, 2020 2:30 PM  

To a lesser degree (and as an American of almost 100 per cent Deutschland descent) I can say the same about the German diaspora. They are high IQ, honest, and hardworking, but completely defer to authority, and have thereby messed up American governance. 250 years have not been sufficient to fully assimilate them into English commonlaw philosophy. I thank God that we still have a critical mass of Americans of English and Scots-Irish descent. Otherwise we would have lost our rights long ago.

Blogger Homesteader February 21, 2020 3:07 PM  

@ Robert Browning..your distant relative disagreed with you.

https://www.m1911.org/full_history.htm

The Moros were not Christians, as I recall..

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel February 21, 2020 3:21 PM  

"has said what America DESPERATELY needs is more legal immigrants."

Sure, because C-Suite cretins that have his ear are telling him about "cost pressures".

A reminder that corporate America isn't America.

Blogger Unknown February 21, 2020 4:01 PM  

You mean, left alone with others like you to live as you wish?

Blogger weka February 21, 2020 4:21 PM  

@purplemelbourne.

Given how many imports from the war stricken house of peace our labour masters have imported, we have the same problem and a woke police regulating dissent.

It will end in deportation. May it begin with the entirety of Victoria's traitorousparliament.

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei February 21, 2020 5:25 PM  

Sure, because C-Suite cretins that have his ear are telling him about "cost pressures".

All the Fed's "emergency" money printing means their 'cheap' gimmiegrant labor doesn't even offer the tangential benefit of keeping consumer prices low, though I hear many open borders idiots still arguing the point (it still does a number on wages, of course).

The C-suiteers don't need to be deported, they need to be burnt at the stake.

Blogger A trite re-white February 21, 2020 6:59 PM  

Rivers of bloods, hizah!

Blogger A trite re-white February 21, 2020 7:04 PM  

Meanwhile London is no longer English.

Blogger Ant_B February 21, 2020 7:46 PM  

The Muslims of the Indian Subcontinent need to revert back to Hinduism etc.

Blogger Avalanche February 22, 2020 5:51 AM  

@6 "Ukraine evacuated 70 of its people from China, but on their return they were met with hurled stones, barricaded roads, and violent clashes, by an angry populace that doesn’t want them. It seems many people get a frightening vibe off this disease.

Even Anonymous Conservative left out of the article:
...
A plane with 45 Ukrainians and 27 foreign nationals took off from Wuhan early on Thursday, the origin of the outbreak that has infected more than 75,000 people worldwide and killed over 2,100.
Those evacuated included nationals from Belarus, Kazakhstan, Argentina, Ecuador, Costa Rica, the Dominican Republic and Panama.
...

It was not actually 70 of "their" people": they also do NOT say how many of even-just those 45 "Ukrainians" were actual heritage Ukrainians...

Blogger Avalanche February 22, 2020 6:06 AM  

@35 "It was the British btw that created the whole concept of "India" as an entity, and of generic Indian identity and patriotism."

Hmmm, so would this have a reflection in the 'there is no "White" for America or Europe'? The whole "White Nationalism cannot work/does not exist" because it's a generic identity? Is there an echo of India's internecine difficulties here?

Blogger Avalanche February 22, 2020 6:13 AM  

@49 "Those Muslims and Hindus share the same DNA. They are of the same nation."

Those rabid dogs and our sheepdogs share the same DNA. They are of the same species.

Any diff?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 22, 2020 10:57 AM  

Islam in a man is like rabies in a dog ...

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