Wednesday, February 26, 2020

The conspiracy theorists are right again

As usual, the Official Story is admitted to be false, and promptly forgotten:
We found it fascinating that none other than China's nationalist propaganda mouthpiece, the Global Times, published a report overnight which dramatically changes the narrative, namely that a "New Chinese study indicates novel coronavirus did not originate in Huanan seafood market."

According to the brand new study by Chinese researchers published on Feb 21,  the novel coronavirus may have begun human-to-human transmission in late November from a place other than the Huanan seafood market in Wuhan. Of course, we already knew that, but what is critical is that until now, Beijing was adamant in sticking to the official narrative that it was the Huanan seafood market in Wuhan where the disease emerged, despite not providing any information on what animal was the vector, or who was patient zero.

However, now that this narrative has been officially questioned and challenged in a media outlet of the communist party, it is safe to say that the theory of the Huanan food market being the source of the pandemic, is officially dead.
I haven't really been paying attention, but is the Wuhan Institute Of Virology now the official source of the outbreak or is everyone just assuming that it will eventually be accepted as the official source? The most important thing to remember about conspiracy theorists is that they are a) almost always correct about what they believe did NOT happen and b) almost always incorrect about what they believe actually happened instead.

Besides, we already know the real culprit.

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Blogger Twisted Root February 26, 2020 1:35 PM  

A key difference is that the Chinese government overturns an official narrative which defies reality within weeks, Western governments will defend the official narrative for twenty or more years.

Blogger Newscaper312 February 26, 2020 1:36 PM  

What is bizarre to me is why this is news -- South China Morning Post had an article all the way back in *early* February that some govt officials admitted there were a couple of patients from early *December* identified as having coronavirus -- with no connection to the seafood market they could trace, and before the cluster that was backtraced to the market initially.

Blogger Seeingsights February 26, 2020 1:42 PM  

'According to the brand new study by Chinese researchers published on Feb 21, the novel coronavirus may have begun human-to-human transmission in late November from a place other than the Huanan seafood market in Wuhan.'

I think some parties had inside information about the release of the virus. US stock markets surged starting in October. Pump up stock market values before the release of the virus, then sell when the virus is released.

Something like that has allegedly been done before. Suspicious trades--that bet on a declining market--made shortly before 9-11. Suspicious trades before the JFK assaination.

Blogger Robert What? February 26, 2020 2:06 PM  

Why is Iran having such a problem with the virus?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 26, 2020 2:07 PM  

Seeingsights wrote:Suspicious trades--that bet on a declining market--made shortly before 9-11.
Insider trading is legal for congress-critters.

Blogger VD February 26, 2020 2:28 PM  

What is bizarre to me is why this is news

Is the concept of a mainstream narrative that disregards the relevant facts genuinely beyond you?

Blogger Dan in Georgia February 26, 2020 2:38 PM  

Robert What? wrote:Why is Iran having such a problem with the virus?

Quarantine is a great way to stop mass protests.

Blogger Silly but True February 26, 2020 2:47 PM  

The most concrete examples of Vox’s “important things about conspiracy theorists” are Reddit’s crowdsourced observations about Boston Bomber strange happenings, including Sunil Tripathi and outing much of the disguised plain-clothes law enforcement operatives. Also Pizzagate re: Epstein & NXVIM.

We’re talking regular people who confirmed a number of fascinating truths.

If they could have been privy to even 1 percent of law enforcement information, particularly Sunil’s missing person report, or confirmation of appearance of plain-clothed officers weren’t terrorists then their conclusions in how they viewed the conspiracy would have been so much more accurate. Likewise with all of the Epstein prosecution/plea and some of the reports and associations of the NXVIM investigations. General conclusions of a luxury pedo ring in DC/New York weren’t so far off in its broad brush. (Which is why the media came down so hard on Pizzagate.)

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction February 26, 2020 3:02 PM  


Could be Iranians are simply being a little more honest about the virus than the Chinese were. Could be that they got a deadlier mutation.

Blogger Newscaper312 February 26, 2020 3:10 PM  

Point taken, but it shouldn't be new to the non-MSM sources either if they've been paying attention.
And SCMP is more of a 'legit' mainstream news source than zerohedge FWIW.

Blogger Tanjil Bren February 26, 2020 3:15 PM  

Interestingly, this came out just last week (22 Feb'):

"At an emergency meeting in Beijing held last Friday, Chinese leader Xi Jinping spoke about the need to contain the coronavirus and set up a system to prevent similar epidemics in the future.

A national system to control biosecurity risks must be put in place “to protect the people’s health,” Xi said, because lab safety is a “national security” issue.”

'Lab safety'...

Blogger Jeff aka Orville February 26, 2020 3:17 PM  

A week or so ago, a CCP party organ said the party was reviewing safety measures at labs in the country. That's a close to an official confession as you can get from the party.

Blogger Brett baker February 26, 2020 3:19 PM  

That was cutouts for Bin Laden's group, so we're told.

Blogger Archimedes2017 February 26, 2020 3:32 PM  

My theory is that some lab animals that were supposed to be destroyed were sold for food.

Blogger Johnny February 26, 2020 3:47 PM  

The big shot guy Xi (I think it was him.), made some statements that I took to be a semi admission that the stuff came from one of their labs. No open admission. My take is that claiming that it came from a food market isn't selling, and they are still sorting out what to do next. Of course the commies are going to want to blame anything but themselves. Remains to be seen if they can come up with an excuse or alibi that will work. Maybe they will let it all hang. Nobody knows.

Blogger Johnny February 26, 2020 4:22 PM  

Robert What? wrote:Why is Iran having such a problem with the virus?

Iran has quit reporting numbers for how many are sick. As a result, taking the numbers as they are makes it look like a very high percentage of sick people are dying.

Blogger Keith February 26, 2020 5:04 PM  

Re: Iran

Mencius Moldbug has an interesting theory. Read both threads, this new one and the original one he re-tweeted:

Blogger Clay February 26, 2020 10:26 PM  

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Blogger Clay February 26, 2020 10:31 PM  

Everyone is wearing masks. For whatever good they are. If the virus is airborne, why can't you be infected through the eyes? I haven't heard anyone address this. Maybe they have, and I just missed it.

Blogger VD February 27, 2020 4:38 AM  

My theory is that some lab animals that were supposed to be destroyed were sold for food.

First, that's not your theory. Second, it's also nonsense.

Blogger SciVo February 27, 2020 5:22 AM  


Everyone is wearing masks. For whatever good they are. If the virus is airborne, why can't you be infected through the eyes? I haven't heard anyone address this. Maybe they have, and I just missed it.

Yes, you can be infected through the eyes. That guy who raised the alarm, was censured, and then died was an opthalmologist.

But you want everyone wearing masks, so that the asymptomatic contagious are wearing masks, so they don't spread it. Get it?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 27, 2020 8:21 AM  

Clay wrote:If the virus is airborne, why can't you be infected through the eyes?
Do we have cells with appropriate receptors in and around the eyes?

Blogger xevious2030 February 27, 2020 10:55 AM  

Here’s another theory. NCorona2019 was fearporn. China has control of the population, and so carrying out actions (welding people into buildings, if that is not cinema) against a non-threat as a real threat is doable. Human rights abuses an expected. High fake numbers in controlled China, low numbers outside. Fear porn starts to wind down, so new low level high numbers outside China. Characteristics, not disease, but symptoms, are like the flu. Flu starts to make its rounds (vaccination bringing infection or whatever), and is gets selectively tested “positive” for nCorona2019. Markets spooked, doom and gloom before it’s’ time. Fear porn is revived.

BB #752 “An Idiots Guide to Ruling The World” has the current best match for the situation. NCorona2019 may be a real deal, but the narrative and narrative shift for the last month or so better matches a managed crisis creation for the next “big fear” control mechanism, given recent failures of existing mechanisms.

Blogger xevious2030 February 27, 2020 11:08 AM  

An objection might be “Why would China go along/do this, it hurts China more.”

An answer might be, “as a means to challenge/remove tariffs without the central government being blamed and increasing US economic nationalism.” In other words, it could be manipulated into propping up globalism, rather than the initial reaction of being detrimental to it. Give the US more immediate pain (partially empty shelves/inventories) to prompt a rejection of reduced trade, rather than incremental tariffs slowing importation while having time to build up internal production. Short term loss to prompt long term gain for China. Might explain Trump not clamping down more, encouraging calm and lack of fear.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 27, 2020 12:59 PM  

xevious2030 wrote:Here’s another theory. NCorona2019 was fearporn.
What we are seeing doesn't match up to that. If it was really nothing, we would be seeing videos showing healthy people saying that everyone is well, and they don't understand why they're quarantined when they aren't sick and nobody they know is sick.

The CCP would be telling us how bad it is, so they could look wise and competent when only a few thousands died, rather than the millions who were at risk. The factories would be running, and the ``precautions'' to prevent infection in the factories would be magically successful. Pettifogging nigglers would be whining that the disease only killed dissidents, but that sort of claim would be disproved when the pettifogging nigglers also died of the disease. We aren't seeing any of that; we're seeing the opposite.

The immediate effect of this has been entirely predictable: people are saying ``Oh, shit, everything comes from China, and we are screwed without a Plan B!'' The long term effect is that our government is going to require that we maintain alternate suppliers for strategically important stuff like medicines and auto parts, and that means no more monopoly for China, even if they stay in the supply chain as Plan A.

China had planned to get the West over a barrel by being the monopoly supplier of everything that mattered. That plan has reached its apogee far too low for success. Their plans are screwed because of this.

Blogger xevious2030 February 27, 2020 4:15 PM  

“and they don't understand why they're quarantined”

I don’t know what is going on in China. Could be worse than the reporting. It’s a theoretical, was not intended as a proof. Problem with a theoretical is it can be patched endlessly. For example:

Ex1.a. There could be a flu outbreak, some actual deaths. Could be test kits set to flag regular flu as nCorona2019. The smoke being sprayed in the streets could be to induce deaths among the susceptible to whatever chemical. Which limits required knowledge to those who design the kits, and know the actual contents of the smoke.

Ex1.b. Possible answers to the A and B depends on whether or not the crisis is averted before a supply chain external to China picks up the slack for consumption. If the crisis is ended before, then consumers will want products, regardless of origin. And consumption of cheaper Chinese resumed exports would sink any US startups, and investing entities. Long term effect on our government acting rationally assumes rationality. Short term demands, products, in an election year, a willing and able supplier with tariffs on them (which the globalists don’t like), along with a willing media that wants to sink Trump, provides for a narrative to say that he wants people to go without and that we need to diversify our globalism more (what if nCorona2019 started in the US and we needed external products), can’t put all the eggs in one basket, or whatever. Whatever the case, definitely not self reliance or nationalistic production for the US (China is any one of the numbers except "2," in the how many genders are there, "right answers" question).

The answer is I don’t know. What I do know is the official story does not hold up. And part of the official story is that there is in fact nCorona2019 infecting China. And that it is responsible for deaths. And that it is doing so at a steady and near precise manner.

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