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Tuesday, February 11, 2020

The end of empire

The Philippines, led by their indomitable President Duterte, have terminated their special relationship with the U.S. military:
Relations between two traditional allies have reached a new low after Manila warned the US that it is ending an agreement that allows American troops to set foot on the Philippines soil. Manila sent formal notice to the US embassy on Tuesday that it is terminating the Visiting Forces Agreement (VFA).

President Rodrigo Duterte's spokesperson Salvador Panelo said it was done in order to be independent from Washington in military affairs.

It's about time we rely on ourselves, we will strengthen our own defenses and not rely on any other country.

Panelo told reporters that the nation is open to signing VFAs with other countries as long as they are "mutually beneficial, not one-sided."

Signed in 1998, the VFA regulates the entry of US warships, aircraft and soldiers into the Philippines. It also allows US troops to be immune from prosecution by local authorities for some crimes committed on the Philippines soil.
Whether Americans like to admit it or not, their government did establish a global military empire that violates the sovereignty of dozens of occupied countries. The fact that it is a self-serving empire and not the "defense against godless communism" that the empire is still sold as is obvious, given that the danger against which it purports to defend most of these countries has not existed since 1989.

It's good to see countries like the Philippines pushing back against imperial Washington DC. Americans should do the same.

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57 Comments:

Blogger mike February 11, 2020 8:12 AM  

Awesome. Hopefully Korea will be next so that I can get out of here.

Blogger Andrew Jackson February 11, 2020 8:19 AM  

We'll be back!

Blogger David Ray Milton February 11, 2020 8:25 AM  

Duterte 2024

Blogger tublecane February 11, 2020 8:31 AM  

Philippine possession predates the Red Threat, of course. I'm not sure empire there was ever defended explicitly on consistent grounds. We didn't have the Monroe Doctrine excuse. Nor the simple, alluring charm of Cuba. Which just sat there, teasing generations of expansionists.

There was the old "spreading democracy" and keeping Europe out of things. Spain owned the Philippines for like 300 years, and other powers such as Germany had a keen eye. Why did we care? Well, there was money to be made.

Not there, precisely, but in Asia generally. And the vaunted China Market specifically. I doubt the Philippines were sold to the public on such grounds, but that would lie behind the slogans.

Was it even sold, or were the American people eager to buy? Empire appeals to people when they're winning. And America had always been expanding its dominion. Speculating constantly on new territory; previously contiguous, now way over the ocean.

When Alexander Stephens and others had their secret Hampton Roads summit with Lincoln and Seward, there was proposed a joint effort to make war in South or Central America. I forget where. But the idea was that the Civil War could be concluded by finding a common foreign enemy. That was a nonstarter for the Yankee, obviously. But later, in relative peace, empire had a unifying effect.

Anyways, probably the average American now has no idea that we ever fought a war or two to hold the Philippines. Nor do they realize how integral it was to starting WWII (for us). Our foothold in Asia which Asians resented.

Blogger Johnny February 11, 2020 8:33 AM  

I believe what is going is that he is warming up to China. We will see how that goes. Given the way the West is self imploding, probably a good idea. Out of the reach of the capitalists and into the reach of the commies.

Blogger TraceRoute Bear February 11, 2020 8:38 AM  

Based Philippines

Blogger Richard Holmes February 11, 2020 8:39 AM  

I agree. The USA military should be in the USA. if China wants to conquer the Philippines, well that is their business eh? The USA should make sure they abide by what they wanted, even if they scream for help later on. No Military help, no money. Just a smile and a have a nice day!

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 11, 2020 8:43 AM  

I wonder what Pete the Plug (D-CIA) thinks of this? I've been in favor of this since the 80s and after the volcano trashed Clark AB and the Flips looted it we had our excuse.

Blogger Shimshon February 11, 2020 8:47 AM  

Well, I am kind of out of the loop. I recall being surprised to learn that at some point after the US was kicked out of the Philippines in the late 1980s/early 1990s, that they had since embarked on a new relationship before 2000 (that America free period didn't last long), no doubt as one-sided as the one in force during the Marcos regime. So I am NOT surprised at the more recent agreement being terminated.

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei February 11, 2020 8:47 AM  

When they start refusing American money, then maybe we're onto something.

Blogger Rattlesnake_Kid February 11, 2020 8:54 AM  

The world needs more of Duterte's spirit, GE must be a fan himself.

Blogger Thad Tuiol February 11, 2020 8:55 AM  

Good. Let the Chinese can enjoy dealing with flip incompetence, corruption, and screwed up catholicism.

Blogger Dad29 February 11, 2020 8:57 AM  

given that the danger against which it purports to defend most of these countries has not existed since 1989.

Red China is what? A potted plant? Hegemoniacs exist in places other than D.C./NYC/London.

Yes, it's foul no matter the location.

Blogger Terrific February 11, 2020 9:02 AM  

For a long time the Philippines was treated like Puerto Rico. We seemed to allow unlimited migration into this country from there. We still do. No matter how much it hurts our economy.

My father-in-law worked for the post office in California from the 70-90s. It has always been very hard to get a job at the post office. You pretty much had to be a Vietnam Vet and ace a difficult test. I scored a 95% (in the late 80s) and never got called. My wife was a Vietnam-era vet, aced the test, and she was hired only after six months (I think she suspected I didn't study because I'd rather've stabbed out my eye with a fork than sort or deliver mail. She sorted mail for five years until I realized I had to get her out before she turned her weapon on the place!)

Anyway, my father-in-law told me told me in the 70s he was working in Century City and in less than two weeks they had to process and absorb 200 new migrants from the Philippines who were not even American citizens, let alone veterans. Nor had they taken the test. He said this wasn't the first wave of Filipinos he'd seen hired ahead of native-born veterans.

I never understood that. I still don't. I'm hoping those days are over.

Blogger VD February 11, 2020 9:07 AM  

If China wants to conquer the Philippines, well that is their business eh? The USA should make sure they abide by what they wanted, even if they scream for help later on.

China has never been an expansionary power. The USA has invaded the world. I don't think the Phillippines are losing much sleep over the possibility of a Chinese invasion. When China expands, it uses demographics, not the military, and the US military is obviously hapless in the face of demographic invasion.

Blogger pnq87 February 11, 2020 9:09 AM  

Congrats to the Philippines for finally achieving independence from the big nosed honkies! My advice is to get some Chinese missile bases installed on the islands ASAP. You never know when the big nosed honky ghosts will attack over a perceived lack of democracy!

At least the half-breeds of the future occupiers will be east-Asian and smart!

Blogger Brett baker February 11, 2020 9:21 AM  

We'll see what happens when the Chinese start claiming more territory in the Philippines.

Blogger tuberman February 11, 2020 9:26 AM  

I like President Duterte. He's still worried about the CIA assassins with good reasons.

Blogger Emmanuel February 11, 2020 9:31 AM  

And whether the Chinese or others like to admit it or not, their success has been less a product of national unity and in group preference and more the central bank and they were slated to become the world's new reserve currency and military police force and would have to if the current nationalist populist revolt sweeping the world. When Q says to watch China, there's a lot meant in that, and one of the things meant is that the country is where one of the most powerful factions of the deepstate os set up and dominates from that, yes, is pishing for expansionism of the very obvious and bullety kind.

Blogger Monotonous Languor February 11, 2020 9:54 AM  

Like most of the world, Duterte doesn't realize that there are two Americas. The other America, Obama's amerika, did absolutely nothing to help the Philippines when the Chinese invaded the Spratly Islands, confirmed as Philippine sovereign territory by the Permanent Court of Arbitration. Only the US Navy would have been strong enough to deter China during it's construction on the islands in 2014. Duterte's probably still in a snit over that.

Blogger Oswald February 11, 2020 10:01 AM  

Glad to see we are getting out of the Philippines. If World War II showed us anything, it is that we can't defend it against a real threat. That debacle cost us 12,000 American Troops.

Blogger An Orthodox Christian February 11, 2020 10:10 AM  

"Americans should do the same" This.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 11, 2020 10:14 AM  

This is going to be hard on the bar girls.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 11, 2020 10:24 AM  

VD wrote:If China wants to conquer the Philippines, well that is their business eh? The USA should make sure they abide by what they wanted, even if they scream for help later on.

China has never been an expansionary power. The USA has invaded the world. I don't think the Phillippines are losing much sleep over the possibility of a Chinese invasion. When China expands, it uses demographics, not the military, and the US military is obviously hapless in the face of demographic invasion.


China's other method is investment/debt bondage.

I am suddenly curious as to how many infrastructure loans Manilla has accepted from Bejing.

You wouldn't think the US would be utterly hapless in the face of a loan-war but of course we are.

Call it a gift.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 11, 2020 10:25 AM  

And in answer to my own question:

In 2019 China has so far pledged $9 billion in infrastructure investment in the Philippines, including the $4.3 billion expansion and upgrade of the road and railway networks around Metro Manila...

Blogger ar10308 February 11, 2020 10:38 AM  

I wonder if this will change the Philipino Mafia that pervades the US Navy. Just another example of demographics radically transforming and converging American institutions.

Blogger Reziac February 11, 2020 10:44 AM  

Suspect the discussion went something like this:

Trump: If you want our protection, it's time you started paying for it.
Duterte: Pay?? are you insane?
Trump: No more free riders.
Duterte: We're not paying!
Trump: Fine, then we're leaving.
Duterte: You can't leave, I'll THROW you out!


Blogger Oswald February 11, 2020 10:51 AM  

Why would the CIA want to bump of Duterte? He serves his purpose.

Blogger Justin Bailey February 11, 2020 10:55 AM  

Forget protecting other countries from godless communists, they are an inch from running our government.

Blogger buwaya February 11, 2020 10:56 AM  

Filipinos are afraid and resentful of the Chinese.
There is general support for the US alliance, and for the US in general. I have travelled widely there during the Duterte administration and these points are obvious "on the ground", as well as in polling, even in regions where Duterte is particularly popular. When everyone even in Ilocos Norte corrects you on the point that the "South China Sea" is properly, now, the "West Philippine Sea", that means something.
This move by Duterte is not popular is my take on it. We should have polling soon on the question.
Duterte gets away with a lot that is unpopular, on particular issues, because of a general approval of his personality. He is an embodiment of the national id. Partly also because of a continuing economic boom, because the country seems to have entered the stage of economic takeoff - that idea in development economics where growth becomes self-sustaining. Duterte did not create this situation, though he benefits from it.

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 11, 2020 11:00 AM  

Period political-historical cartoons ...

Well, I hardly know which to take first!
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.gettyimages.com%2Fphotos%2Fcartoon-showing-president-william-mckinley-as-a-waiter-taking-orders-picture-id3094844&f=1&nofb=1

Tenthousand miles from tip to tip
https://66.media.tumblr.com/1b69cbfe5ef647786e6b543c89c576ba/tumblr_na7ofmVr181rqhbmmo1_1280.jpg

Macabebe Scouts "water curing" a Tagalo official.
https://www.thenation.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/1902_waterboarding_cc_img_0.jpg

... what we are fighiting for?
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Kill everyone over 10
https://www.thefilipinomind.com/2008/01/kill-everyone-over-10-general-jacob-h.html

Blogger Unknownsailor February 11, 2020 11:01 AM  

They will be hurting for money in a few years, and will come crawling back, just like last time. Closing Clark AFB and NAS Subic Bay took a huge chunk out of their economy in the early 1990s, so they let ships start coming back.

Me, personally, I think we need to reciprocate, and send back all the Filipinos serving in the military, both in uniform and as civilians. And, pass a law, if you don't live in the US or US territories, you don't get your military pension.

Terrific wrote:For a long time the Philippines was treated like Puerto Rico. We seemed to allow unlimited migration into this country from there. We still do. No matter how much it hurts our economy.

My father-in-law worked for the post office in California from the 70-90s. It has always been very hard to get a job at the post office. You pretty much had to be a Vietnam Vet and ace a difficult test. I scored a 95% (in the late 80s) and never got called. My wife was a Vietnam-era vet, aced the test, and she was hired only after six months (I think she suspected I didn't study because I'd rather've stabbed out my eye with a fork than sort or deliver mail. She sorted mail for five years until I realized I had to get her out before she turned her weapon on the place!)

Anyway, my father-in-law told me told me in the 70s he was working in Century City and in less than two weeks they had to process and absorb 200 new migrants from the Philippines who were not even American citizens, let alone veterans. Nor had they taken the test. He said this wasn't the first wave of Filipinos he'd seen hired ahead of native-born veterans.

I never understood that. I still don't. I'm hoping those days are over.

They wern't. The military took in thousands every year while the bases were still open. I served with dozens of Filipinos who enlisted in the Navy that way. That didn't stop until the bases closed. They form their own little cliques onboard ship, too, and discriminate against white people. Ask me how I know.

Furthermore, try getting a job in the various military exchanges in and around the San Diego area. If you ain't Filipino, you ain't getting hired. Same goes for Hawaii. And Japan.

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 11, 2020 11:25 AM  

https://pushingrubberdownhill.com/2020/02/08/all-hail-duterte/

(snip)
The Philippine government has asked the European Union and Belgium to cut funding for certain groups the Duterte administration alleges are “fronts” of the Communist Party of the Philippines (CPP)-New People’s Army (CPP-NPA).
Posing this plea to European officials was among the objectives of the February 17 to 20 visit of military and Presidential Communications Operations Office (PCOO) officials to Bosnia, Switzerland, and Belgium.
(snip)

H/T Bayou Renaissance Man

Blogger Robin February 11, 2020 11:36 AM  

It’s inevitable. The Philippines will fall into China’s orbit as the latter becomes the preeminent maritime power in the South China Sea. China doesn’t have an expansionist history but they will assert their own version of the Monroe Doctrine.

Blogger Nathan Hornok February 11, 2020 11:51 AM  

Great news!

Blogger Akulkis February 11, 2020 11:55 AM  

"I believe what is going is that he is warming up to China. We will see how that goes. Given the way the West is self imploding, probably a good idea. Out of the reach of the capitalists and into the reach of the commies."

I doubt that. The Chinese have been claiming that the South China Sea is not a sea, but instead, a Chinese lake, and they they hold all navigation AND mineral right up to the tide lines of the Phillipine Islands, with NO recognition of the Phillipines having a 12-mile exclusion zone on their western (facing towards China) shores. Similarly, they deny that either of the Koreas, Vietnam, Thailand, or Malaysia have 12-mile exclusion zones on their coastlines, or even navigation rights, if any such navigation is "contradictory to the interests of China."

This is in the same spirit of how the Hutchison-Wampoa Company has run the Panama Canal since the Fag/Lesbo couple gave it away in the 90's. Their rules state that ANY shipping not in the best interest of the Hutchison-Wampoa Company will be denied passage. Considering that HWC is owned by the Chinese People's Army, that means, beyond mere economics, in any conflict, HWC might just decide to deny passage of US-flagged vessels. That will then mean having to send at least 2 divisions to Panama to recapture the canal.

Blogger buwaya February 11, 2020 12:18 PM  

China has made many offers (apparently, many seem to just be talking points so far, or memorandums of intentions, etc.) of development loans. But so far very little of substance has come through.

Note that the Philippines has a very good credit rating for a third world country. It is about the same as that of Italy. Its debt-gdp ratio is about that of Sweden. If the Philippines wanted to borrow money on good terms it has the capacity to do so.

Not borrowing is a creed the local "deep state" has adopted, based on the disastrous consequences of the 1970s-80s when the dictators regime took the national credit rating to the floor. The reaction was equal and opposite, a ferocious resistance to foreign loans. Many people think the bureaucrats have gone past the point of good sense on this matter.

Blogger buwaya February 11, 2020 12:26 PM  

US military and other aid to the Philippines, at the moment, is minimal in relation to GDP and the national budget - we are talking sub-0.5% of the national budget. Its been thirty years since the era of the US bases.

If the US cut all aid there certainly would be people unhappy about it, but the fiscal-economic impact would be trivial.

Blogger Geir Balderson February 11, 2020 12:28 PM  

Yes, get the heck out of these Countries that need to follow their own destiny.

And, by the way, that means Americans can dissolve all the foreign aid train. The USA needs some infrastructure upgrades and the money spent overseas can be useful for border walls and things.

Blogger Cederq February 11, 2020 12:33 PM  

I had to deal with Philippine Special Forces personal and they were arrogant pecker-heads and they had no love for US Personal. I say good riddance and we need to drop more countries from our military and Foreign Aid programs. Let the several countries sink or swim on their own.

Blogger Sillon February 11, 2020 12:36 PM  

Emmanuel wrote:And whether the Chinese or others like to admit it or not, their success has been less a product of national unity and in group preference and more the.

Small hats sending all of our manufacturing jobs there and selling them our technology for cheap in the hope of making not a quick shekel but all the shekels by short-circuiting national borders and the tax man of each country.

There are three things inevitable in life, death, taxes and small hats subverting civilization each one with their little spoons one scoop at the time.

Blogger buwaya February 11, 2020 12:44 PM  

- It is not "The Philippines" pushing back against an Imperial US. The Filipino public rather likes the idea of an Imperial US, up to a point. The anti-American pushback is Duterte, plus the minority of leftists and bien pensants that were always anti-American.

- One must also remember that Dutertes politically formative influence was Jose Maria Sison, his Maoist university instructor. Thats the same man the Philippine government wants to extradite from the Netherlands. In other words Duterte started out a radical communist with ties to the rebels. Duterte was always anti-American.

- The removal of the US bases in 1991 was a measure backed by the Manila elite and university radicals. The general public wanted to retain the bases. But what the Filipino public wants is rarely what they get. That is a major reason why they elected Duterte in the first place, to put the bien-pensants and the "deep state" in their place. However, they still don't quite get what they want, either from Duterte or their deep state.

Blogger Primus Pilus February 11, 2020 2:20 PM  

Good for Duterte. Even if China were to decide to exert hegemony over the Philippines in the future as a result, better the ChiComs than GloboHomo.

Blogger VFM #7634 February 11, 2020 2:31 PM  

@Terrific

What happened was the Flips went nuts with the chain migration. Then, they stopped after they all ended up with 20+ year wait times. That’s why you don’t see quite as many coming in in more recent years.

Blogger Unknown February 11, 2020 2:44 PM  

No big deal, let china have it. Somehow I think they will want us back when the milfs stir the pot again down south. They produce nothing of value in the world. I'm being polite actually.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 11, 2020 2:48 PM  

Primus Pilus wrote:... better the ChiComs than GloboHomo.
For the sake of the flips, I hope you're right.

Blogger Kiwi February 11, 2020 3:48 PM  

American defense force aren't popular here. The US navy stop at the 200 mile mark and come in by water taxi. The Chinese however, they come right in and park next to the Hilton.

Blogger bramley says "Enoch was right" February 11, 2020 3:53 PM  

Good for them. Now if they can find a way to stop sending cleaners and nurses over here and instead use them to clean and nurse their own citizens, that would be just wonderful, thanks.

Blogger Storm Rhode February 11, 2020 3:58 PM  

When China does business it tends to benefit China as they use loans to strong arm countries into giving away their resources cheap. The US Empire is better or worse depending on the situation. The US Marines I know where spend time in the Phillipines remember it with a smile. To a man, they enjoyed their time there.

Blogger JovianStorm February 11, 2020 5:45 PM  

Hopefully this results in less Pilipinos chain migrating to the US.

1. End of global empire:good
2. Less immigrants from 3rd world crap bunker:excellent

Keep winning!

Blogger luismanblog February 11, 2020 6:14 PM  

If you haven't lived in the P.I. you may have no idea how utterly petty and corrupt the politicians here are. D30 throws a fit if anyone disobeys his orders or if he feels insulted by a joke. IMO here two things come together. The US canceled a visa for Dutertes police chief who ordered most of the killings in his drug war. Second, the Chinese invested way more money here than the US, as the Chinese exports to the P.I. are also way up. Just imagine how much money of theses Chinese loans is sucked away by the political class oligarchy here and hidden away on US and European bank accounts.

Blogger Hammerli 280 February 11, 2020 7:07 PM  

I'd like to have Subic Bay back, but it's a convenience for peacetime. A real sea war with the PLAN will be fought in the Indian Ocean. Meaning that relations with Australia and India are crucial.

Blogger DonReynolds February 11, 2020 8:32 PM  

As an American, I would NOT want ANY of the soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines in the Philippines to ever think they are exempt from the laws of that country.

Just what was this all about in the first place? My first thought was black troops and the local girls. That is a common problem (everywhere), but I think it is more to do with the local illicit drug laws. AGAIN....I do not want US service personnel exempted from the drug laws or protected for their outrages against the local females.

Go ahead. Make it clear. If you screw up in the Philippines, you will be charged, and you will pay the price. Who the devil would suggest a Visiting Forces Agreement that exempted anybody from local laws?

Blogger MEGAMUS Maximus February 12, 2020 3:07 AM  

No you won't. That, we're sure of.

Blogger Akulkis February 12, 2020 4:49 AM  

Don Reynolds

Visiting Forces Agreements and Status of Forces Agreements don't make US military personnel exempt from local laws. They allow US military personnel to be punished by US officers instead of the local judicial system. This keeps US personnel under US control, not rotting in foreign jails and used as political pawns.

And believe me, you piss off the locals, and it becomes an international incident, which means it's something your company commander or battalion commander does NOT want the headaches from ... not just the paperwork for a typical Article 15 punishment, but also filling out the additional paperwork to satisfy the host nation authorities that you have been properly punished (and you will, because by pissing off the locals, you've made everybody's mision more difficult. One rapist or murderer can sour the entire population of the host nation against all US military personnel). Troops who violate the local laws don't get off lightly -- you're briefed on such things before ever getting in country, and you're briefed again upon arrival. Not just what will happen to you, but laws which are different from in the U.S.

Blogger Storm Rhode February 12, 2020 3:02 PM  

Akulkis is right on the money. US military are under the authority of the UCMJ, Uniformed Code of Military Justice, which can be incredibly severe for even the most minor infractions. Severe infractions merit more severe punishment. When a US service member runs afoul of the locals it can be as minor as a female not covering her hair in a Muslim country which violates sharia law, or as major as murder. The military will apply the UCMJ in one case and probably not at all in the other case. Hopefully that makes sense.

Blogger Akulkis February 13, 2020 7:59 AM  

And then there were the two captains (M & F) who decided it would be a good idea to have sex in a mosque in Saudi Arabia.

I can assure you that they both received bad OERs (Officer Efficiency Report), as they were kicked out of country by the theater Commander (LTG Pagonis after Schwarzkopf returned home), and *IF* they were even allowed to stay in the military to finish 20 years, it was as enlisted. But I sincerely doubt they did, as it took the work of the Ambassador just to get them out of Saudi custody.

The Saudis bulldozed the mosque, as it had been defile, and they wanted to execute the two captains.

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