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Saturday, March 14, 2020

Boomer logic

Save the useless old people first! The cri de coeur of the Boomer facing the possibility of a Corona-chan-based Boomercaust.
Throughout the developing crisis in Italy, however, I've noticed a worrying ageism in the language surrounding the question of who to treat first. Some medics have been openly admitting that they are prioritising younger patients over older ones.

I appreciate the huge difficulties doctors in Italy are facing, but this is not acceptable. Ageism is the last bastion of acceptable prejudice in society. Phrases such as 'they were old anyway' and 'they've had a good life' are bandied about without thinking about what they really mean.

Does your age mean your life is worth less than someone else's?
Yes, absolutely! There are multiple reasons to prioritize saving younger people in these circumstances and every elderly individual worth his salt wouldn't hesitate to agree. Damned Boomers can't even die with dignity; it's no surprise that so many of them are going out caterwauling and crying about their importance to the bitter end.

First, the principles of triage dictate that the old people most at risk be treated last. Their treatment consumes more medical resources to less avail than any other population. Second, the principles of economics dictate that old people most at risk be treated last. Their treatment costs considerably more, which means fewer of them can be treated. Third, the principles of fairness dictate that old people be treated last. They have already lived most of their lives, where the young have not. And fourth, the principles of societal survival dictate that old people be treated last. They can neither maintain or sustain society, while the young must live if society is to survive.

Prioritizing medical treatement for the young over the elderly is not only acceptable, it is absolutely necessary, especially in times when resources are limited. Not only is it not "agism" to deprioritize the treatment of the elderly, it is pure anti-societal narcissism for any elderly individual to demand equal medical priority for his age cohort.

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161 Comments:

Blogger yoghi.llama March 14, 2020 7:53 AM  

Age is a social construct.

I identify as 16.

Blogger Akulkis March 14, 2020 8:05 AM  

And now the mask over their full-on, perpetual selfishness is fully removed.

Blogger Fred March 14, 2020 8:09 AM  

Im a boomer, 60, and I bet I can bench press more than you. So fuck you Vox.

Blogger Lazarus March 14, 2020 8:09 AM  

The Eskimos got a lot right.

A lot.

Blogger Section 8A March 14, 2020 8:09 AM  

How dare you not grovel before the generation that went to the mooon!!

Blogger spinthathamster March 14, 2020 8:12 AM  

Haha, "ageism", never heard this one.

I don't think doctors have any big ethical dilemmas, to whom they are going to give very limited resources in time of crisis.

Blogger Randomatos March 14, 2020 8:13 AM  

Some boomers would demand a baby be removed from the lifeboat so they can take his place. How did the bonds of love and responsibility get so shattered in the first place? How did Boomers end up so solipsistic? The whole mindset just seems unnatural.

Blogger rumpole5 March 14, 2020 8:31 AM  

The author of the article you quote, Dr Max Pemberton, was born in 1979. Hardly a Boomer. Is it possible that the article is just another example of a Leftist denying biological reality rather than it is an example of "Boomer Logic"? Any fool would first throw the life jacket to the 3 year old with 80 years to live rather than to the 83 year old at the end of his statistical lifespan. Basic triage.

Blogger DarwinIsAHarshMistress March 14, 2020 8:32 AM  

Suddenly, Women and Children First makes sense.

I can die now, in peace, having lived to see this day.

Blogger Rick March 14, 2020 8:39 AM  

Boomer: Please help me! I sick!

Today’s youth: My student loan debt is killing me!

Boomer: FU my bootstraps why in my day lazy hippy!

Blogger ZhukovG March 14, 2020 8:44 AM  

Amen.

Blogger nidus of inflection March 14, 2020 8:46 AM  

Ageism is the last bastion of acceptable prejudice in society.

Spoken like a true Boomer.

Blogger Dole March 14, 2020 8:46 AM  

Boomers are so selfish, so hedonist... it is disgusting to watch. I am not even slightly surprised.

Blogger Jad March 14, 2020 8:47 AM  

The boomer cries out in pain, as he strikes you.

Blogger James Dixon March 14, 2020 8:48 AM  

Basic historical literacy has never been a boomer trait.

Of course that's entirely by design. They were the first "success" of our educational system.

Blogger Johnny March 14, 2020 8:52 AM  

We spend almost 18% of our GNP on medicine here in the United States. Almost half of it goes into people who are in the last six months of life. Die a little sooner and the cost of medicine would go way down. For myself I am okay with letting people die depending on circumstance, but kind of cool on having the government decide it.

People resist having who lives and who dies being decided by utility, usefulness to society. Adolph Hitler stuff, but then maybe he wasn't wrong about everything. How much of an effort should be made to keep the premature babies alive? How young is so young you let them go? Got a disease that costs hundreds of thousands a year to keep you alive, do they let you go? Living in a vegetative state, but can still blink your eyes and stuff, like maybe there is a person in there somewhere?

And then there are the people who will spend human level money to keep a pet alive.

They have been doing triage from the beginning of time. It is just that because it was private it didn't get remembered.

One thing you could say for the really old geezers with this Corona virus stuff (really old defined as people older than me) is that they probably don't last that long and so suck up less medical resources then the younger folk. Maybe pretend to treat them, like the Chinese seem to be doing at times?

Blogger Jeff Wood March 14, 2020 8:53 AM  

Agreed. As an older Brit living in Italy, I have already decided that if I fall ill, I will refuse treatment before an older patient, and also before any Italian of whatever age.

Some of you will know that people in the cities are keeping their spirits up by singing to their neighbours across the street from windows and balconies. There is to be a grand Sing-Off in Rome this afternoon, though who is to judge it and how, escapes me completely.

Out in the country, our isolation can be a bit more flexible, and returning to the village this morning from walking the dog, I found a large Italian flag hanging from the first balcony. My eyes are still stinging.

I suspect Italy will be a slightly different place when this is over.

Blogger urthshu March 14, 2020 8:56 AM  

SOL: There was a world once, you punk
DET. THORN: Yes, so you keep telling me.
SOL: I was there, I can prove it.
DET. THORN: I know, I know, when you were young and people were better.

Maybe play them an assortment of classical music on their way out.

Blogger English Tom March 14, 2020 9:00 AM  

I've just turned 60. If I fell I'll with the virus I would not go to hospital precisely because triage dictates younger people get priority.

I fully understand and accept this. I also agree. Children should ALWAYS be the priority.

Blogger steb March 14, 2020 9:01 AM  

If all lives have the same worth, and saving elderly lives costs more, you save the young ones first. But boomers take it as read that logic will always work out in their favour. Logic of the markets being the prime example.

Blogger The Cooler March 14, 2020 9:02 AM  

Here a decadence, there a decadence, everywhere a decadent decadence.

I wonder what sort of -ism -ist -phobia pretzel Dr. Pemberton can work himself into over the principle of Women and Children First. As he is almost certainly a feminist, he's all for it, I expect; until the shit hits the fan and he's bashing some woman's skull in and kicking her toddler down a fight of stairs all for a can of fruit cocktail.

Blogger wokebb March 14, 2020 9:05 AM  

I agree and I'm a boomer. Perhaps as a Christian boomer I have a different outlook.

Blogger John Cunningham March 14, 2020 9:06 AM  

You are totally correct, O SDL. I speak as a 74-year old with health issues. I've had a good run. Women and children first.

Blogger Skyler the Weird March 14, 2020 9:09 AM  

Boomers gave us Abortion on demand. Can't complain now that the surviving siblings want to do a little euthanasia or simple neglect to ensure their generation gets treatment first.

Blogger Yossarian March 14, 2020 9:10 AM  

I wonder which voting base will get the most favorable treatment.

Blogger VD March 14, 2020 9:17 AM  

Im a boomer, 60, and I bet I can bench press more than you. So fuck you Vox.

You lose. What a pity so many Boomers won't survive long enough to spend their children's inheritances after all....

Blogger Akulkis March 14, 2020 9:18 AM  

"How dare you not grovel before the generation that watched their elders go to the mooon!!"

There, I fixed it for ya!

Blogger Rocklea Marina March 14, 2020 9:23 AM  

Boomer is now a hate term. The preferred term is Stumbly Wumbly. (courtesy of Hampture, a guest on the Killstream.)

Blogger Doktor Jeep March 14, 2020 9:24 AM  

The Boomer Remover meme and the boomers' reaction to it has been epic. All in 24 hours.
Think of it. A meme where any detractor can be simply answered:"ok boomer".

Blogger Gregory the Tall March 14, 2020 9:26 AM  

Let God and the laws of nature decide. I suggest everybody affected tries to self-cure at home. Then some boomers with a very healthy lifestyle and a strong immune system might survive and some overweight 42-year olds with an autoimmune disease might die. No public resources wasted, and the inheritance if any does not end up with greedy medical providers.

Blogger Dwayne Thundergrit March 14, 2020 9:26 AM  

Yeah, no silly "women and children first" stuff for Boomers.

I got sick reading all the "last big fling" comments from boomers yesterday at one site. Not a single, "payoff the second mortgage so my kids have the house free and clear", "finally set up a trust for my grand kids", "payoff my kids credit cards", or anything related to helping their kids or grand kids with the money they'd know they didn't need any more.
Just.
More.
ME !!!

Oh, and a little bit of whether or not Nancy Pelosi is the woman riding on a beast named Frankie The Mad, and when the golden Hueys will whisk them off to the big aircraft carrier in the sky now that da book o Riverlations is obviously now being fulfilled.


I'm a Boomer, Eff em', you can't find more than one out of a hundred who are worth a shit anyway.

Blogger Akulkis March 14, 2020 9:27 AM  

"How did the bonds of love and responsibility get so shattered in the first place? How did Boomers end up so solipsistic? The whole mindset just seems unnatural"

Their parents, who went through the Great Depression as children & WW2 as adults wanted to make sure that little Johnny and Susie would never have a single unmet desire. In short, they weren't broken or shattered, they were and remain spoiled brats.

Blogger Silly but True March 14, 2020 9:28 AM  

“Marginal Net Utility.”

One’s fond remembrances of recreating the glory days of Kirk Douglas knocking out some pushups on the Oscar stage is great to keep people busy. But eventually even a bioweapon scientist somewhere in the world is going to get fed up with Boomer bullshit.

Blogger Rebel Shoat March 14, 2020 9:29 AM  

If boomers want medical care they should be highly motivated to flatten the transmission curve so hospitals aren't overwhelmed. All this blustering by some boomers of not being afraid is likely just perpetuating a blasé attitude toward preperation and prevention...to their disadvantage.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 14, 2020 9:30 AM  

What would anyone expect from a womanish society? Anyway true story, BIL took MIL to another state from a state where she received decent dialysis treatment to the place where the medical providers at the center told him she did not need it. So she died sooner than she might have, I asked him if the people staffing that center looked like him. Anyone with two brain cells should have figured out why she was triaged in favor of someone who looked like the providers.

Boomers haven't a clue what is coming down the pike, especially the feminized failures. If you have a Boomer wine aunt who makes you miserable tell her this, when she is in the care facility the staff will do unspeakable things to her and get her PINs.

Blogger Gregory the Tall March 14, 2020 9:30 AM  

Im a boomer, 60, and I bet I can bench press more than you. So fuck you Vox.
Ideally to be enjoyed when read in Owen's Babyboomer voice.

Blogger Akulkis March 14, 2020 9:32 AM  

"Some of you will know that people in the cities are keeping their spirits up by singing to their neighbours across the street from windows and balconies. There is to be a grand Sing-Off in Rome this afternoon, though who is to judge it and how, escapes me completely."

Italians may be weird, but at least their weirdness is pro-civilization.

Blogger pyrrhus March 14, 2020 9:33 AM  

I'm a Boomer with children and who has taught and coached other people's kids...I fully support this message and plan to refuse any hospital treatment if necessary..

Blogger Akulkis March 14, 2020 9:35 AM  

@Fred

I'll lay money on Vox being able to out-bench you.

Blogger r7h93 March 14, 2020 9:36 AM  

Absolutely. In addition, someone of some age has had greater reason and opportunity to come to terms with their diminishing role etc. to society. Their mortality.

IIRC, the post-WWII social philosopher Ivan Illich argued for refusing medical care beyond a certain age (and to some degree set his own example). What is one of the related statistics?: Under heroic standards of care, something like 80-90% of lifetime cost for medical care can be in the last 2-4 weeks of life??

What so-called doctor presents triage as if it were only a concept encountered in a medical ethics course?

Blogger rumpole5 March 14, 2020 9:37 AM  

The author of the article you quote, Dr Max Pemberton, was born in 1979. Hardly a Boomer. "Ageism" nonsense is typical leftism denial of biological reality. "Boomer Logic" is just garden variety selfishness. Frankly, I like ageism. It's the reason that I can ride the bus for 1/2 price and get all sorts of discounts. It also gets me past the Triage nurse faster if I come in the emergency room with chest pains. But, as you point out, Triage properly applied sometimes puts the old folks at the end of the queue.

Blogger J Van Stry March 14, 2020 9:38 AM  

Women and Children first.
That's what a civilized society worries about - saving the future.

Blogger VD March 14, 2020 9:44 AM  

The author of the article you quote, Dr Max Pemberton, was born in 1979. Hardly a Boomer.

The object of the criticism is the logic, not the author.

Blogger Jeff Wood March 14, 2020 9:44 AM  

@17

I wrote "older", but of course meant "younger", if anyone noticed.

Blogger DonReynolds March 14, 2020 9:46 AM  

What a relief. There is no problem after all. According to the latest information available, no children under the age of 10 has died of the coronavirus. For persons aged 10 to 39, the fatality rate is 0.2 percent.

Therefore, there is no reason for an emergency. Everyone can get back to work and school. The quarantine should be lifted immediately and no further resources devoted to the pandemic. Trade, tourism, and free movement can be restored. Anyone who deserves to die, will do so. Rather than something to be feared, the coronavirus is going to save the Social Security system in a single season. AND there is no reason to hoard toilet paper any longer.

By the New Thinking, health resources should be devoted to achieving social purposes. (Never let a crisis go to waste, you know.) Illegal aliens will not be permitted treatment in hospitals, medicines, or the attention of health care personnel. If they want treatment and relief, they need to return to their own country.

But why stop short, this is a double-good opportunity to let nature take out the trash at the same time...regardless of nationality or age. Infections in prisons and jails will be permitted to spread without hindrance or delay. Only those with an IQ of 110 or above will be able to purchase medicines or be tested for the disease. Convicted felons, regardless of IQ, will automatically be refused medicine and treatment. The same limitation should apply to anyone receiving a check from the government, including retired government/military, welfare recipients, and civilian retirees. A subcommittee should be established immediately to decide how best to spend the corona-dividend after the election in the Fall.

We stand at the beginning of a New Society, or the restoration of the Old Society, where God himself makes nations into youthful and productive societies, with only strong, fertile families. A new beginning for the nation and the world.

Blogger Salt March 14, 2020 9:47 AM  

Section 8A wrote:How dare you not grovel before the generation that went to the mooon!!

That would be The Greatest and The Silents.

Blogger Homesteader March 14, 2020 9:51 AM  

Those who mortgage with Mephistopheles live in terror
of the terms.

Blogger Avalanche March 14, 2020 9:51 AM  

Some-many years ago, I particpated in a "public" wargaming of a putative H1N1 world pandemic. To my horror and dismay, the participating including some medical personnel, were all "save granny and the babies!" They could not or would not grasp the potential end times that H1N1 and maybe corona-chan, could cause to our country and the world.

My point that, horrific as it felt, the priority for the limited vaccines -- once they HAD one, which we didn't at that moment -- needed to be saving cops and firefighters, the men working in sanitation and water treatment and provision, the men working in electricity production and nuclear power, medical personnel of all sorts including mortuaries, all of whom way, Way, WAY outweighed the desire to save babies and grannies. (H1N1 killed youngsters as well as oldsters.) Thankfully, corona-chna seems to leave the children alone except as virus transmitters to others who may then die.

And as ghastly as it seemed/seems: (surviving) parents of babies who died can become parents again and babies who parents have died can be given to other grieving parents to raise. You CANNOT "re-create" an experienced firefighter, and if you saved granny in pref to him -- well, granny ain't gonna be fightin' no fires!!

God willing -- and, historically, He seems to be less-than-gentle in cleaning up "our" messes -- this virus will be contained and mitigated enough to keep society running well enough; not including the stock market casinos, which are already approaching intensive care...

Stay healthy, protect yourselves and your loved ones, do NOT rely on the govt -- I know, preachin' to the choir here... but realize the "the public" does not and cannot see clearly, and will make related choices!

Blogger Jpc March 14, 2020 9:55 AM  

What about your body?

Blogger Homesteader March 14, 2020 9:57 AM  

"Im a boomer, 60, and I bet I can bench press more than you. So fuck you Vox."

Yet he contributes to society, while you preen vainly over a meaningless metric that impresses no one.

Got it.

Blogger Soap and Ham March 14, 2020 10:01 AM  

It's like the generation of Israelites that had to pass away (with Moses) before they could move into and take Canaan. This generation made some sort of horrible afront that can be forgiven but not repaired with them on Earth. Sad!

Blogger Robert What? March 14, 2020 10:01 AM  

I'm a Boomer and I completely agree with @Vox.

Blogger Doktor Jeep March 14, 2020 10:02 AM  

The whole reason for me to want an end to abortion has been the precedent it sets regarding the value of life.
If a baby can be aborted, now even killed after birth in some states, out of convenience for their whore mother's, then everything is on the table.
For boomers, who gave us Roe v Wade and/or spent a lifetime doing nothing about it like they did nothing about Hart-Cellar, to suddenly face what they have wrought: a brown nation that wants them dead and is not afraid to facilitate it, is somewhat satisfying.
I have spent a life getting outvoted and browbeaten on this, by boomers and genX women who are practically turbo boomers if you look at their "40 years old never married no kids" dating profiles, and finally, even in defeat, I at least get to see them hung up on at least one of their own petards. That would be the "muh freedom of choice" petard. And that came at the cost of the freedom not to have your future sold out, your nation invaded, and your life taxed to death.
And to make things even more fun, boomers have spent a life in indulgence and already sport health problems.
For each aspect, there was a chance to turn things around, but they chose to watch TV and get fat instead.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 14, 2020 10:03 AM  

Even Stephen King is triaging old white people to the grave. I hope the twittercons can taunt him into doubling and tripling down, what an asset that old fool is.

Blogger FUBARwest March 14, 2020 10:04 AM  

Boomers keep proving gen xers right in why they hate them.

Blogger MEGAMUS Maximus March 14, 2020 10:07 AM  

I bet the farm that Vox can Bench you.

Go fuck Yourself, Boomer.

Blogger Brett baker March 14, 2020 10:08 AM  

"I will grant you three score and ten."
"He who shall not work, neither shall he eat". Weren't those in some book important to Western Civilization?

Blogger SgtGideonsDad March 14, 2020 10:10 AM  

I'm a boomer and when I see David Lee Roth on stage doing hi-kicks, it makes me wish boomers would grow the hell up and die!

Blogger TheSavro March 14, 2020 10:11 AM  

I always find these “We went to the hoodilly daddle!” arguments for why the boomers are so great especially hilarious.

Hey boomers, guess what? All of the Apollo astronauts were born in the 1920s - 30s. Bill Anders (Apollo 8) was the youngest man to fly to the moon at 35 years old; and he just orbited the moon and didn’t land.

Blogger VD March 14, 2020 10:12 AM  

Boomers keep proving gen xers right in why they hate them.

That's what's so amusing about these posts. Most of them simply can't help themselves.

Blogger Ransom Smith March 14, 2020 10:13 AM  

I'm super excited by how cheap real estate and classic cars are about to become.
A few NFA firearms will probably pop up too, which is just a bonus.

Blogger Red Pill Angel March 14, 2020 10:14 AM  

Oh, well, "Apres nous, le deluge." Maybe a few of us will be able to hang on until after the election, including TGE, but he needs to stop shaking hands. Do you kids have plenty of ammunition?

Blogger Azimus March 14, 2020 10:22 AM  

My bench press more than VD ergo FU VD

Dang he got you good. You just got Boomer Burned VD.

Next thing he will say is that he has more money in his bank account than you.

Blogger Tars Tarkas March 14, 2020 10:24 AM  

If it comes down to a Boomer or some DACA Millennial or some brown horde Millennial or Zoomer, treat the Boomer!

Our old should be treated before a foreign or fake young person. Let them go get treatment in their own country. The only treatment any of these foreigners deserve is quarantine!

Blogger Jay Will March 14, 2020 10:29 AM  

Boomercaust turns USA blue.

Blogger urthshu March 14, 2020 10:31 AM  

I think this might be the long awaited fourth turning event or at least the dress rehearsal. The generations are supposed to have particular roles and reactions that I'm not as yet seeing.

Blogger Ez March 14, 2020 10:31 AM  

I wonder why they're so afraid of dying?

Blogger D Zniger March 14, 2020 10:32 AM  

Student loans being forgiven. Have you heard that there is a moratorium for payments? Peter Schiff rightly states that no one will enforce the payments again once the economy has started.
Just wanted to mention it...Corona works wonders.

Blogger Uncle John's Band March 14, 2020 10:38 AM  

So, the the empty materialists that wasted their lives LARPing their youths are selfish clingers.

Not to worry, graveyard's the new 80!

@Fred.
Congratulations on outliving your IQ. You'll always have that over us.

Blogger [Redacted] March 14, 2020 10:39 AM  

"Im a boomer, 60, and I bet I can bench press more than you. So fuck you Vox."

You will need more than "grit" to lift the lid of your coffin, vampire. You have lingered too long in this world.

Blogger Stilicho March 14, 2020 10:43 AM  

Sorry Boomers, 70 is the new 90.

Blogger Bernard Brandt March 14, 2020 10:49 AM  

I was born in 1953, so I guess that makes me a boomer.

But I come from a family that continued to follow the old ways.

So we believed in things like 'Honor your father and your mother', and 'take care of your own', and 'women and children first'.

We still do.

We spent several hundred thousand of the family money on honoring our mother's wishes that she live and die at home.

As for me, I plan on infesting this planet for another thirty or so years. And I intend on doing so by staying in as good of health as I can. Not by modern medicine.

I may decide to have cataract surgery, if need be, to be able to keep reading, but that's pretty much all the help I want, or need.

I plan on keeping clear of Covid-19 by self isolating, and by maintaining proper hygiene when I do go out.

If I do get it, I'm hoping to ride it out. Since I've maintained a pretty good immune system, and my lung capacity is more than twice that of the average man (3800 ccs), I figure my chances are better than fair.

But if not, I'll stay at home, thank you.

Blogger Jay Will March 14, 2020 10:54 AM  

The virus has become a great virtue signalling event. You really aren't cool at all if you don't have it.

Blogger Hoyabembe March 14, 2020 10:54 AM  

Italy has always been an interesting combo of the incredibly beautiful and the extremely cold blooded.

Blogger Homesteader March 14, 2020 10:58 AM  

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Blogger Dan in Georgia March 14, 2020 11:07 AM  

The most boomer thing I can think of is the "Reverse Mortgage" concept.
"Got a paid off house? Get a reverse mortgage and spend your retirement years on cruise liners traveling the world! Spend that money, and then some! It's *your house*, after all, who cares what you do with it! Your kids didn't pay for it, you did! You deserve it. You *can* have it all!"

Blogger Daniel March 14, 2020 11:12 AM  

ACHOO BOOMER

Blogger Chris Lopes March 14, 2020 11:13 AM  

That you, Joe Hidden?

Blogger Dan in Georgia March 14, 2020 11:14 AM  

Fred wrote:Im a boomer, 60, and I bet I can bench press more than you. So fuck you Vox.

Did anyone else read that in Owen's "I'm a Boomer" voice?
(Yeah, speed readers, I know you read too fast to do that).

Blogger Joe Smith March 14, 2020 11:21 AM  

Time to inaugurate national hug a Boomer day. Maybe cough on them a little if you can manage it, while you're at it.

Blogger Gastguma March 14, 2020 11:21 AM  

Do boomers exist with the same characteristics in European nations like Italy just as they do in the U.S.? I always thought of boomers as a U.S. phenomenon.

Blogger Crave March 14, 2020 11:22 AM  

Will COVID-19 aka the BOOMER DOOMER be the first virus to attain sainthood?

Blogger Dole March 14, 2020 11:22 AM  

"Im a boomer, 60, and I bet I can bench press more than you. So fuck you Vox."

You lose. What a pity so many Boomers won't survive long enough to spend their children's inheritances after all....

-VD

So much winning in this comment, thanks Vox.

These people truly believe the world revolves around them and how much they can bench press. Despite the bench pressing they need an ever increasing amount of preferential treatment and handouts.

Blogger Dan in Georgia March 14, 2020 11:24 AM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:Even Stephen King is triaging old white people to the grave. I hope the twittercons can taunt him into doubling and tripling down, what an asset that old fool is.

The booze and coke has addled his mind. He had a golden chance to sell untold thousands more copies of "The Stand", but no, he had to gripe about old white men with TGE saving our lives.

Dean Koontz will just be quiet as sales of his 39 year old book go through the roof. He writes books with likable characters too, like "Odd Thomas".

Blogger James Dixon March 14, 2020 11:25 AM  

> Perhaps as a Christian boomer I have a different outlook.

That may be a mitigating factor, yes. We don't have a large enough sample size to make a determination.

> I speak as a 74-year old with health issues. I've had a good run. Women and children first.

I'm only 61, but I agree.

Blogger S D Joe March 14, 2020 11:42 AM  

Once again, the putz born in 1967 snarls "die, motherfucker! You're in the way - plus you're everything that's wrong and false in this world!" at the putz born in 1963.

Unfortunately for all putzes everywhere, this phony plague will claim only grandpa & grandma. There are going to be very very few young folks needing hospital beds (unless they have diseases that normally afflict much older people). This ain't the swine flu; that one killed the young and healthy. In six months, as the MSM keeps demanding Trump's head on a pike regardless, the rest of us will see a few thousand dead geriatrics at worst and we'll wonder: was Operation Destroy Orange Man really worth the cratered economy - and all the human misery that brings? We'll look back, both at 2009 as well as Current Year, and marvel at the difference slavish devotion to a POTUS makes, compared to the fanatical hatred of another.

Good going, MSM! You may not be able to divide 550 by 327, but you finally mastered two plus two.

Blogger Crave March 14, 2020 11:46 AM  

They didn't die before they got old
Too narcissistic to be that bold
Why can't they all just fade away
Move on now and we'll s-s-stay
I'm not trying to cause a big sensation
Just talkin bout your g-g-generation

Blogger FP March 14, 2020 11:55 AM  

"The author of the article you quote, Dr Max Pemberton, was born in 1979. Hardly a Boomer."

As said by others, its the mentality not the age. Being Doc Pemberton's age, I've interacted with them my whole life. I ended up in an argument a few weeks ago with a younger guy siding with Mayor Bootygig on decriminalizing hiv/aids type people knowingly transmitting the disease and not telling anyone via sex or blood donations. He justified it because "aids is no longer a death sentence". Cost? Who cares! Quality of life? Who cares! Must stop the stigmas!

Those boomers and sjw's will go to their graves with a clear conscious that they weren't bigots while dragging everyone in with them.

Blogger Warunicorn March 14, 2020 11:55 AM  

@Dan in Georgia Koontz also loves dogs as his books can attest, especially "Watchers."

I'm just saddened by the fact his new book deal is Amazon-exclusive. I gave up my Kindle eReader for a Kobo (which I love). :/

Blogger sammibandit March 14, 2020 12:04 PM  

Any time a person with a babe-in-arms goes to the ER they get priority. Why? The baby can't self-advocate so the presumption is the parent came as a last resort. I've gotten dirty looks at the ER by oldsters because /my baby/ and not me jumped the queue to triage. Sorry, not sorry. Even if I have specific public health nurse instruction to attend ER it doesn't matter to these morons. The lot of them ought to go to hell.

Blogger tweell March 14, 2020 12:11 PM  

I highly doubt I'll be taken by this disease, but if so, well... I've had a good life. Death is lighter than a feather, duty heavier than mountains. Plus, I'd like to see my wife again. No hospital for me, thanks.

Blogger sammibandit March 14, 2020 12:17 PM  

And as ghastly as it seemed/seems: (surviving) parents of babies who died can become parents again and babies who parents have died can be given to other grieving parents to raise. You CANNOT "re-create" an experienced firefighter, and if you saved granny in pref to him -- well, granny ain't gonna be fightin' no fires!!

This utilitarian argument doesn't even make sense. You ought to be ashamed. Even if it made sense you would still be wrong because the premise that babies and parents are fungible is wrong. What are you, Carthaginian? Ah forget it, you don't have one iota of their intestinal fortitude.

Blogger Felis Concolor March 14, 2020 12:19 PM  

Charles Schulz summed it up perfectly on Feb 9, 1960 when Snoopy said, "I don't want to die! I'm too young to die! I'm too nice to die! I'm too ME to die!"

Are your children doing well? Are their children doing well? Then impending death should hold no horror for you.

As the dark world looms for them, Boomers should accept they may exit this world secure in the knowledge they have prepared for the future by propagating their beliefs and values through their numerous offspring - oh.

Blogger justaguy March 14, 2020 12:31 PM  

As a society, we in the West have not had to chose who to save to preserve society in centuries. As such we have forgotten who to make such choices to preserve society, and today too many of the young that VD prioritizes, do not even believe in or propagate that society. The values of the young (Millennials and younger) are not those of any society that would prioritize saving society. In the US we are the product of a society that put the future as a priority as the settlers conquered the continent, but as our youth are horrified that our ancestors conquered, well.....

Blogger Pathfinderlight March 14, 2020 12:32 PM  

Following the sinking of the Costa Concordia, some boomers cried about 'women and children first' not being applied even though there were enough life boats for people and the most dangerous factor was the efficiency of loading. 'Women and children first' kills loading efficiency.

Blogger Jack Amok March 14, 2020 12:37 PM  

If you want resources like health care to be abundant enough for society to splurge on you when you're too old to contribute any longer, you should've done more to make, or at least keep, society prosperous when you were able to contribute.

Funny thing, an economy based on loaning money and selling stuff imported from overseas isn't productive enough to provide medical care for old people in a crisis. Huh. Whodathunk?

Blogger artensoll March 14, 2020 12:43 PM  

Feeling a bit under the weather today, nothing serious just sniffles. There's nothing like a good boomer thread to lift one's spirits when you know they cleared the shelves of all the analgesics and the balm infused tissues. Damn their eyes.

Blogger cylindrical crown March 14, 2020 12:44 PM  

Living in FL, I wonder if left wing boomers agree that triage dictates that young, illegal aliens should be given priority in treatment over them?

Blogger Tars Tarkas March 14, 2020 12:45 PM  

sammibandit wrote:I've gotten dirty looks at the ER by oldsters because /my baby/ and not me jumped the queue to triage. Sorry, not sorry. Even if I have specific public health nurse instruction to attend ER it doesn't matter to these morons. The lot of them ought to go to hell.

Back around 2014 I walked into a very crowded ER because I had woken up that morning unable to control the left side of my face. When I got the window of the ER and told them why I was there, a wheelchair was rolled out to me. That was some scary shit. They thought I might have had a stroke. Turns out it was Bell's Palsy. You really don't want to ever be triaged to the front of the line if you feel OK.

Blogger Solon March 14, 2020 1:05 PM  

@84
"Odd Thomas" was such a unique and interesting character, quaint and charming. I'm glad to see that someone else has read that series.

Back on topic: wasting away in a nursing home while your kids ignore you is no way for a man to go. The most ignoble of ends, really. I think I'd prefer death in battle defending my people from the barbarian hordes and (((pillagers))). Failing that, a quiet, remote homestead, with a little garden. But never a nursing home.

Valhalla ain't so far from Heaven, and the army of Christ needs warriors too.

Blogger justaguy March 14, 2020 1:07 PM  

I love that all of the gen Z with their covid is a Boomer remover, can't wait for their socialist utopia where health care will work.... Once the Boomers who vote conservatively are gove, the VD generation of Gen X joins the in crowd and we see what happens when health care becomes like the DMV--- all uniforms and rainbows...

Blogger urthshu March 14, 2020 1:10 PM  

>I've had a good life
Well I certainly can't say the same. I'd expected there to be nukes but a slow motion equivalent is just dandy by me. My luck I'll be fine.

Blogger Jeff Wood March 14, 2020 1:10 PM  

@81

Gastguma, I have travelled a bit and think it is, at least mainly, a US phenomenon.

Back in Britain, I was often called upon to help people, and their lawyers, arrange their affairs to protect their children. However, I was working among folk who were in business, had a good idea of how wealth was created, and wanted to pass it on. Looking at some of the children, I sometimes wondered if my clients' efforts were going to be worth it.

I suspect there is little of the Boomer philosophy here in Italy, but perhaps I do not see the signs because I am insufficiently into the culture, having come to it late. However, I see little of the outward phenomena complained of here, even in the towns. Our little rural village would like to see the youngsters more engaged with the land, and like me, the auld yins see retirement as something eventually forced on them. It's the rural way, especially when the brats are off working in Milan.

Blogger Scuzzaman March 14, 2020 1:28 PM  

Boomer, your binary thinking is showing.

Nobody of Vox’s age and intelligence is looking forward to what you have bequeathed this world.

We’re just not lying to ourselves - or you - about it.

It’s fucking grim.

Blogger eldiabloloco March 14, 2020 1:32 PM  

Lessee. Triage by age....

If this table is correct:
https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1238856547641495552/photo/1

If you are under 30yo, you are killing people by wasting time or resources of the health care system just by showing up, as there seems to be a 100% survival rate in your category.

If you are under 60, go home and STFU, there is a 98.8% chance the grim reaper passes by without stopping for you.

In triage, a 98.8% chance of survival is a paper cut equivalent. Once the system is overloaded these stats seem likely to hold up for everyone NOT being treated.

They finally found those "shovel ready projects" they were yabbering about, for everyone under 60.

Blogger sammibandit March 14, 2020 1:50 PM  

@Tars,

Sorry that happened to you, dude. It's relieving to know though that they acted as if it were the worst case scenario because until they find out what happened they need to treat it as such.

If my baby had a colic I'd put you ahead if I saw you come in with that presentation even if it was palsy. Temporary discomfort < possible brain bleed. You just don't mess around with that stuff. Then again I try to exhaust my home resources before bringing the kid to the rough and tumble ER.

Blogger Azimus March 14, 2020 1:50 PM  

@ Ransom Smith - it would be fitting, if instead of dragging capitalism to the grave with them by spending every last penny they can and spitting on their descendants, the untimely busting of the boomers flooded the younger generations with resources that gave this nation a new birth of wealth and prosperity in the hands of people who can put it to its most noble purpose - raising children.

Blogger Azimus March 14, 2020 1:53 PM  

Bernard everybody knows there are some good boomers.

Its probably best to sit these comment threads out, rather than using "I", "me" in almost every sentence you wrote. If you know you're not the problem individually, let that be enough - or rather go have the conversation w/your kids and grandkids and then provide for them.

Blogger Tino March 14, 2020 1:57 PM  

Speaking as a doctor Vox makes an ethical algorithm, but that ethical algorithm is in play only in a very narrow moment of the crisis. I would certainly not be doing that early on.

Prior to that I'm intubating as they arrive, and >95% will be elderly. I intubate because on average I will save 2 of 3 to 4 of 5. I may go into this with DNR over 65 mostly because in this cov19 they will inevitably code again and die. I can handle the vast majority of younger patients without ventilators. So we run the algorithm essentially in the 3 doubling range of where the health system goes from strained, to overwhelmed, to collapsed. At strained we kick in the algorithm. At overwhelmed, I'm losing, even with the algorithm, at collapsed, well, I'm losing across the board and every +1 (which will be elderly 4/5 times) will be dying regardless of any attempts by docs. Resources will simply not be there.

Generally, I would certainly not use the false utilitarian-Quality-Adjusted-Life-Years framework for the general medical system. The high cost of the general medical system is purely government-regulatory in nature. If you do want QUALY then hire that fake bioethicist of Ezekiel Emmanuel and his Obamacare QUALY framework that lets everyone under 2 and over 55 die.

Furthermore, when this is done, I hope someone with standing can sue for dereliction of duty and failure to perform. If FEMA was smart enough to start stockpiling food they should have been smart enough to call the CDC and NIH and get 10,000 extra ventilators manufactured NOW, to supplement the 8900 ventilators in the CDC Strategic National Stockpile.

And bless the Chinese for airlifting 1000 ventilators into the Italian crisis. Which at the time of this post has hit 21,157 cases, 1441 total deaths.

Blogger PJW Gent March 14, 2020 2:36 PM  

Didn't this used to be called "triage"? It has been practiced everywhere, forever. You try to save the most people with the resources you have, so you triage the recipients. Basic medicine in warfare and emergencies. This is both.

Blogger VD March 14, 2020 2:44 PM  

The high cost of the general medical system is purely government-regulatory in nature.

Agreed. But we can't even begin to fix it if "don't touch my Medicare" remains the primary priority.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants March 14, 2020 2:52 PM  

I'll take it a step even further-males should be prioritized over females.

That said,F U, Fred. As an old GenXer and a woman,no one should be rushing to save me, either.
You folks are like Jews. You FORCE people to hate you.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( The Surprised Pig hadn't had any idea he tasted this good ) March 14, 2020 3:11 PM  

3. Fred March 14, 2020 8:09 AM
Im a boomer, 60, and I bet I can bench press more than you. So fuck you Vox.



but your sperm are still degenerate, Boomer.

this is what happens when you don't don't go to Carousel at 30, runner.



56. MEGAMUS Maximus March 14, 2020 10:07 AM
I bet the farm that Vox can Bench you.



don't be certain of that. between HRT and non-competition steroid use, he could quite possibly be on of those 60 year old gym monkeys who can press +400 lbs.

the key is that Fred's metric is entirely retarded and stupid, even if true.




Blogger Akulkis March 14, 2020 3:38 PM  

"I think this might be the long awaited fourth turning event"

The 4th Turning event was 9/11 (EVEN IF it was manufactured out of Washington DC or Jerusalem, it kicked off a 19-and-counting year war on the other side of the planet).

Blogger weka March 14, 2020 3:42 PM  

@Rumpole.

It is the luxury of having moral.scruokesnin a crisis. None of these ethicists are accountable and none of the ever have to make a hard decision..

Jacinda said that, the same morons have ensured we don't have enough ICU beds but there is free abortion and gender changes.

And they will try to avoid triage.

@Fred. Corona Chan does not care what you bench press. You are too short for this ride.

Blogger The Professor March 14, 2020 3:43 PM  

I'm 57. How can anyone even question putting children before old codgers like me? I'd like to live a while longer but to may way of thinking, if you've racked up 50 good years you are damn lucky. The kids deserve a chance to live their life span. This used to be considered societal survival instinct. What happened to us?

Blogger Lance E March 14, 2020 4:06 PM  

I believe you are forgetting the all-important fifth principle of Feelings.

Blogger SJ March 14, 2020 4:15 PM  

It's an interesting question just what happened to make the boomers a generation of sociopaths. They were the first generation to be told and to believe that anyone could do or become anything. That they were special. They were also the first generation to be raised with a TV.

Blogger papabear March 14, 2020 4:25 PM  

Biden is not a Boomer but he shares many of the negative qualities associated with Boomers?

Blogger SJ March 14, 2020 4:34 PM  

It's disgusting. A few years ago I told my boomer father that I would like to buy our family home from him. At a fair market price as well and that he would be able to continue living their but no longer alone. He'd be around his grandchildren every day and my lovely wife could help him through his old age.

He put me off and baffle garbed me. After some pushing he told me he's reverse mortgaged it so he could live a big life in his retirement. A pension I'll never get and social security I'll never get just wasn't enough for him to also lease a new car and get that cabin he's always wanted.

So I bought a different house and he continues to live alone. Good riddance

Blogger Up from the pond March 14, 2020 4:42 PM  

Decent people in an emergency situation: "Women and children first."

Boomers: "ME. ME. ME FIRST. You're an ageist, racist, classist if you don't put me on the boat RIGHT DAMN NOW. ME! ME!"

Blogger Akulkis March 14, 2020 4:43 PM  

"Boomercaust turns USA blue."

Don't be so sure of that.

Who will inherit the boomer wealth?
White Gen-X.

Blogger Akulkis March 14, 2020 4:47 PM  

@72

It's too bad there aren't more like you, because a column such as this would never exist.

I know of a couple good boomers. Interestingly, every one of them not only did military service, but far beyond their initial obligation -- they stayed in to pass on what they learned to Gen-X soldiers. For the same reason, I stay in to pass on what I learned to Millenial and Zoomer soldiers.

Blogger Akulkis March 14, 2020 4:50 PM  

@81

"Do boomers exist with the same characteristics in European nations like Italy just as they do in the U.S.? I always thought of boomers as a U.S. phenomenon."

As best as I can tell, it's a phenomenon in every nation which suffered significant losses in WW2.
It's worst in those nations which were industrialized and which had no damage to their physical plant during WW2 -- Australia, New Zealand, the United States, and Canada.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia March 14, 2020 4:57 PM  

Boomercaust??

Nah..there are too many of us.

I understand one of Reinhard Heydrich's tunic is for sale on Ebay. not the one he was shot it...one from his extensive wardrobe. Think it will fit?

Alas, the Wannsee House is a museum now. Maybe it's for rent. Should we inquire?

Blogger Akulkis March 14, 2020 5:05 PM  

@99

" I had woken up that morning unable to control the left side of my face. When I got the window of the ER and told them why I was there, a wheelchair was rolled out to me. That was some scary shit. They thought I might have had a stroke. Turns out it was Bell's Palsy."

I had a similar incident. Thank God it was just a viral infection (turned out to be shingle-related.. you know, Chicken Pox 2: Electric Boogaloo). I wasn't put in a wheelchair, but when what prompted me to go to the ER at the VA was my eyelid drooping on one side of my face and the muscle tone between the right and left cheek being decidedly different, and my attempts to smile in the mirror looked like something out of a horror movie. I was sure I had suffered a stroke. I was soooo relieved when the ER Doc said it was probably Bell's palsy and said it's almost always a latent viral infection at the heart of it.

This was right before Halloween, and looking back, I wish I had delayed taking the antiviral meds for a few days to make the phenomenon somewhat useful and entertaining for a night.

Blogger Akulkis March 14, 2020 5:10 PM  

@101
"I love that all of the gen Z with their covid is a Boomer remover, can't wait for their socialist utopia where health care will work.... Once the Boomers who vote conservatively are gove, the VD generation of Gen X joins the in crowd and we see what happens when health care becomes like the DMV--- all uniforms and rainbows..."


And you know who's responsible for
A) aborting 1/3 of Gen-x
B) NOT abolishing the 1965 Hart-Cuellar Immigration Act, but instead, looking at it as personal financial opportunity, and
C) Destroying the public school curriculum, introducing social promotion, and dumbed-down classes

We all know WHO is responsible for that, and it's NONE of the people you're telling to make the best of the now thoroughly fucked-up society which your generation created.

Blogger Akulkis March 14, 2020 5:16 PM  

@109
"
And bless the Chinese for airlifting 1000 ventilators into the Italian crisis. Which at the time of this post has hit 21,157 cases, 1441 total deaths."

The ONLY reason the Chinese airlifted those vents to Italy is because the overwhelming majority of people dying in Italy are Chinese.

Blogger GrumpusAurelius March 14, 2020 5:24 PM  

It's insane how many Boomers will rattle their swords here, but kept quiet as they built a ponzi scheme in ssa, ran up unthinkable deficits, and allowed their nations to be overrun.

Blogger awildgoose March 14, 2020 5:42 PM  

Gastguma wrote:Do boomers exist with the same characteristics in European nations like Italy just as they do in the U.S.? I always thought of boomers as a U.S. phenomenon.

In Europe they have a generation known as the, "68ers" that is roughly analogous to Boomers in the US.

Blogger Avalanche March 14, 2020 5:49 PM  

@92 "This utilitarian argument doesn't even make sense. You ought to be ashamed. Even if it made sense you would still be wrong because the premise that babies and parents are fungible is wrong. What are you, Carthaginian? Ah forget it, you don't have one iota of their intestinal fortitude."

Oh Sammi, I'm not even implying that parents and babies are fungible; I'm saying that IN A WAR both parents and babies die. Do you suggest we 'expose' those babies who've lost parents? Or put them in Romanian-style orphanages instead of getting parents who've lost their own children to take on raising someone else's orphaned children?

Or are you suggesting we SHOULD let the firefighters and water treatment guys DIE so long as grannies and infants are saved? The follow-on to which is that ALL. OF. THEM. can die together?

No, I am not at all ashamed. I am looking at how to SAVE a civilization so that the MOST members of the nation cans survive. Saving grannies and babies in preference to the people who can KEEP that nation alive is a BAD choice. Does it take intestinal fortitude to make the hard choices that are necessary to keep the TRIBE alive?
Ever hear of "put your OWN oxygen mask on before helping others?" Else you BOTH die?!

If you have 100 doses of a lifesaving medication (say, a vaccine in a pandemic?) -- and you have the choice between saving the adult folks who can KEEP the civilization alive, and the much loved but useless in keeping the civilization alive babies, you would save the babies -- and then watch THEM DIE anyway, along with their parents and the rest?

Utilitarian? Maybe so. "Designed to be useful or practical rather than attractive." The nation surviving the deadly pandemic by using the available vaccines to KEEP as much as possible of that nation alive by keeping alive the men needed to keep it alive -- is useful and practical. IF the babies (and grannies) manage to survive -- absolutely that is best. But if the choice has to be between the babies and grannies as against the men who will keep the nation -- and all the babies who manage to survive without the vaccine -- which is more practical? Which will keep MORE babies and future babies alive?

Would you have every single baby die (along with the rest of their tribe) by letting the people (mostly men) necessary to keep the tribe mostly alive through the pandemic by saving the babies who got the vaccine, just so they could die with everyone later?

Harsh? Absolutely. In war -- or in a deadly pandemic -- it's not a choice between good and bad; it's a choice between terrible and worse!

Blogger Up from the pond March 14, 2020 6:35 PM  

Always an excuse not to pass the torch. "I would leave an inheritance BUT"

The future can choke because the young people just aren't...you?

One reason the elites are elites is because they pass it on. Multi-generational capital accumulation, centered in families, builds civilzation-scale wealth, even accounting for wastrels.

By contrast, peasants stay poor from generation to generation mainly because they rarely leave behind whatever they get. Their attitude is typically: "I struggled - let Junior start from scratch, too - it will be good for him. I will spend it all on me because I deserve it." Result: no accumulation, while most elite families keep piling it up and up.

One of the worst things the elites are doing to "the lower orders" is lying to them about inheritance. Buffet says he won't leave his kids a nickel. He's lying, but he says it so that poor people a. will not enviously attack him and b. will follow his alleged example and maintain a poor posterity, one that offers no competition to his and other elites' kids.

But the bottom 99% leap to embrace his shtick on inheritance as a rationalization of their selfishness. They are too selfish to grow generational wealth, just as they are too selfish to plant new trees: "These are MY seeds! Mine! And I'm eating them! Go get your own seeds!"

The iron law that built Europe's wealth: leave it to your first-born son (primogeniture). If he's a wastrel, leave it to the second-born son. If you have no other sons, leave it to the first-born anyway and pray. Leave it to a daughter only if you have no sons.

Blogger Dwayne Thundergrit March 14, 2020 7:02 PM  

@127 A) aborting 1/3 of Gen-x

Considering the fact that damn near all contraception pills work by keeping an already fertilized egg from attaching to the wall of the womb, I'd say 1/3 is a gross understatement.

If nothing else, not the narcissism, not the greed, not the braggadocio, false hardship yarns, and claiming the work of others as their own, just for abortion the Boomers deserve a far worse end than simply of dying of a virus.



Blogger Brett baker March 14, 2020 7:22 PM  

....everyone under 2 and over 55 die.
Like back when Western Civilization was vigorous?

Blogger justaguy March 14, 2020 7:52 PM  

#131: I agree-- we haven't had to face how to save our civilization since times of either the muslim destruction or the fall of rome. But of course today's Gex X and younger no longer want to save civilization because they are too woke.

Blogger sammibandit March 14, 2020 7:55 PM  

Av, you're my friend but you know better than to dig yourself a hole. I'd be a crappy friend if I didn't pause and say something. You're better than this.

Blogger Akulkis March 14, 2020 7:59 PM  

"Boomercaust??

Nah..there are too many of us."

Is there some sort of natural limit preventing Boomers from dying off at the same rate as which they were born?

Blogger Akulkis March 14, 2020 8:01 PM  

"
In Europe they have a generation known as the, "68ers" that is roughly analogous to Boomers in the US."

It is the SAME generation. Same phenomenon, too. And marched and demanded for the exact same silly nonsense.

Blogger eclecticme March 14, 2020 8:54 PM  

Ageism? Ha!
On the Titanic there was rampant ageism AND sexism in awarding life boat seats.

Blogger Stephen March 14, 2020 10:22 PM  

Thanks for opening my eyes fellas.
I now am now quite clear about inheritance. It is that which is bequeathed, not that to which one is entitled.
I didn't want to see the covetousness in so many of those around me. Again, thanks for opening my eyes.

Adjustments to my last will are in order. The reading of that document will include references to insights I've gained here.




Blogger GrumpusAurelius March 14, 2020 10:38 PM  

We save it or perish. The criteria of the post boomer world is slowly but surely becoming clear.

Blogger Greg Hunt March 15, 2020 12:09 AM  

@Akulkis
A lot of Fourth Turning in this thread, so I looked it up.

www.lifecourse.com/about/method/the-four-turnings.html

Criminy.

GenX. Nomads. Cynical. Guilt.

Does a good job summing things up. On the plus side, I think this means my own children will be in the Hero group.

Blogger Tino March 15, 2020 12:13 AM  

@128 You are simply wrong. The majority of victims are elderly Italian.

Blogger Greg Hunt March 15, 2020 12:14 AM  

"aborting 1/3 of Gen-x"

When I was a kid, Elementary Schools were closing, because there weren't enough children to keep them open.

Whether it was abortion, or the pill, or "family planning", these assholes decided to not have children. Fuck them.

Blogger R Devere March 15, 2020 12:20 AM  

As a Boomer (in name only), I'm loving reading all these comments from the Student Loan Debt-slaves and daddy-hating "Cat's-in-the-Cradle" soy boys! As a Stoic, I'll pass when the time comes and not in some damned hospital. Til then I'm too busy working (and working out to keep my immunity up) for maintaining my kids and grand-kids in good stead. Gotta keep that inheritance intact for both them and the old lady ---together for 47 years---she's too good at being a grandma!

But let's at least change the theme to: "Northern European, non-feminist, fertile white women and their pure-bred, all white children first". Diversities need not apply!

Blogger Unknown March 15, 2020 12:23 AM  

Advanced triage during times of mass illness/injuries necessitates that you don't treat people with little likelihood to survive. The aim is to maximize the total number of lives saved.

My guess is that doctors facing this dilemna during the coronavirus crisis use a combination of pre-existing conditions and age due to the fatality risk factors and the amount of resources used to treat patients (see: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/lamvo/coronavirus-death-rates-age-charts-us-china ).

For example, a fit 60 year with no pre-existing conditions may have a survivability rate higher than a 40 year old with diabetes and hypertension. After all is said and done, I will just leave it up the medical professionals to save the most lives.

As far as "useless old people", I worked in a position dealing with many old people along with younger people too. I have come across very sharp people in their 80s and 90s (and even over 100 year old) because they made sound dietary/exercise decisions plus had good genes. For example, the Japanese age much better because the eat more fish and suffer far less cognitive decline than Americans. On the other hand, I have called up people in their 60s who have their televisions going and I can tell they are already on the road to cognitive decline.

At my church's monthly lunch gathering, the pastor says women and children first when it comes to getting the food. I recently joked during one of these monthly gatherings that I felt like I was on the Titanic.

Blogger Scuzzaman March 15, 2020 12:36 AM  

It's insane how many Boomers will rattle their swords here, but kept quiet as they built a ponzi scheme in ssa, ran up unthinkable deficits, and allowed their nations to be overrun.

To be fair to boomers most people will happily kill you when you threaten their image of themselves. The boomers are different only in degree, in this respect. As you see in this thread they’re both extremely sensitive to any imagined slight and they’re willing to sacrifice the entire civilisation for the sake of one more breath.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 15, 2020 8:36 AM  

I'll trump anyone's Boomer entitlement story, neighbor 70 yrs young is with 3000 people in Branson for a music fest today and soon to jet off on an international trip. I guarantee you your triage plans are totally unsat to her.

Blogger Nathan March 15, 2020 8:58 AM  

Think Hazony makes very good points here: https://twitter.com/yhazony/status/1239003296729268224

Even if the medical system has to triage and my Boomer parents get left behind, that doesn't mean we can't try to do everything possible to avoid having to triage in the first place, or caring for, preferring, our own aging parents over others when it comes to spending our own money and property on them.

Blogger Avalanche March 15, 2020 9:15 AM  

@136 "Av, you're my friend but you know better than to dig yourself a hole. I'd be a crappy friend if I didn't pause and say something. You're better than this."

Sammi,hon -- it's not a hole; it's a bare lifeline for our people. I know you cannot look at your baby and imagine not doing anything, not killing anyone, to save that precious life!

I understand your horror and anger at the thought of prioritizing ANYone above your child. Giving "the grannies and babies" a tragically limited vaccine; rather than hoping that some of them will survive without it and giving it to the men who will protect you and the rest from whatever the deadly danger is -- is the *terrible* choice, because the *worse* choice is save the babies and let the men die: because the entire group likely follows the men into death. Saving the babies by the limited vaccine may be sentencing the entire group; and then those babies die anyway.

Horrible, horrible trade-off. No question. We White Westerners created a society where those sorts of horrific decisions are almost never required. Other nations, not so much.

An example: see insanely lopsided sex ratios in China and India. WE do not support murdering girl babies for such a purpose; albeit "we" now "allow" it for those nationals who've invaded our societies. On the other hand, we have, for many, many generations, managed to keep our nation, our people -- our babies and grannies -- OUT of the 'survive or die' situations that require such horrific choices.

I'm sorry this harsh view of a possible oncoming decision has shocked and horrified you. I'm not digging a hole, and I'm not "better than this." Bad times make hard men. We're heading into bad times; I beleive we're almost certainly there already! CoVID19 may be just the icing on an already poisonous cake!

If corona-chan turns out to be as randomly and massively deadly as seems possible (remember the 1918 Flu killed the most on its SECOND wave, not its first and third waves!); then such questions WILL come up! Pray God it does not; but that's not within our control.

Blogger Christopher March 15, 2020 11:04 AM  

GENERAL SCHMUCK (judiciously) You mentioned the ratio of ten women to each man. Wouldn't that necessitate abandoning the so-called monogamous form of sexual relation- ship?

VON KLUTZ Regrettably, yes. But it is a sacrifice required for the future of the human race. I hasten to add that since each man will be required to perform prodigious service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics, which will have to be of a highly stimulating order.

AMBASSADOR DE SADE (enthusiastically) Von Klutz, I must confess you have an astonishingly good idea there.

Blogger Boaty Bear March 15, 2020 1:11 PM  

I saw last nights Darkstream, but I have to ask
When's "Boomers always triple down" out VD?

Blogger Gettimothy March 15, 2020 2:17 PM  

Scott Adams explains that children will kill the boomers.


https://mobile.twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1239187385562193923

Blogger spacehabitats March 15, 2020 7:47 PM  

I am a boomer and an ER physician and I agree completely with your prioritizing younger people over older people when resources are limited and given that all other factors are equal.

Unfortunately, they almost never are. And frankly, this relentless boomer bashing and treating the worst of my generation as exemplary gets really annoying.
The only person I know personally who has ever whined about "they just want to let the old people die" is my 94 year old mother who, by the way, had already been retired for 5 years on a government pension by my age.

Right now a great percentage of the patients I see in the ER are Millenial welfare mothers who drag their bundles of joy into the ER at 3 A.M because they sneezed or their baby daddies who are high on meth and tried to vault over a chain link fence ripping a hole in their thigh.

Oh and Gen X guys who killed their liver with alcohol, fried their lungs smoking and huffing, or are returning for the umpteenth time with one of their limbs rotting from gangrene because it's too much trouble to take care of their diabetes.

I'm not saying that there aren't many entitled and irresponsible boomers out there, but I can guarantee you that many if not most of the precious "younger" patients who will present in critical condition will be people who have helped to create their own co-morbidities.

But I'm supposed to give them priority over treating someone like the other fulltime ER doctor in our hospital (in her 60's) or one of the other boomers in our town whose only sin is being born into a generation you villify.

Blogger Akulkis March 15, 2020 10:09 PM  

"But of course today's Gen X and younger no longer want to save civilization because they are too woke."


The only woketards are Millenials.

GenX != Millenials.
GenZ != Millenials.

Blogger Akulkis March 15, 2020 10:14 PM  

"As a Boomer (in name only), I'm loving reading all these comments from the Student Loan Debt-slaves and daddy-hating "Cat's-in-the-Cradle" soy boys!"

You do understand that
1) They have every reason to hate their fathers, and
2) if their fathers were such completely narcissistic jackasses, then they wouldn't have turned into soyboys.

And you are evil.

Blogger OneWingedShark March 16, 2020 8:39 AM  

yoghi.llama wrote:Age is a social construct.
I identify as 16.

You jest, but that is essentially what the "80 is the new 40!" headlines are.

Fred wrote:Im a boomer, 60, and I bet I can bench press more than you. So fuck you Vox.
How, exactly, is bench-pressing going to save society?

Randomatos wrote:Some boomers would demand a baby be removed from the lifeboat so they can take his place. How did the bonds of love and responsibility get so shattered in the first place? How did Boomers end up so solipsistic? The whole mindset just seems unnatural.
They utterly rejected the bonds to their parents, because they knew better, and they completely spited their youngers, that whole "pull the ladder up behind you" and "let's make pensions not a thing anymore!" and "why train a new US graduate when we can import three Indians for the same price?" — That "spending my kid's inheritance" bumper-sticker is true.

Rick wrote:Boomer: Please help me! I sick!
Today’s youth: My student loan debt is killing me!
Boomer: FU my bootstraps why in my day lazy hippy!

Ever notice how Boomers can't be bothered to listen to the problems of younger generations? IT's always utterly their fault for not being as smart/tough/gung-ho as the Boomer… it's like they're completely unaware that sometimes shit happens.

Blogger OneWingedShark March 16, 2020 9:11 AM  

Tars Tarkas wrote:If it comes down to a Boomer or some DACA Millennial or some brown horde Millennial or Zoomer, treat the Boomer!

Our old should be treated before a foreign or fake young person. Let them go get treatment in their own country. The only treatment any of these foreigners deserve is quarantine!

The only treatment the foreigners deserve is deportation or .45… but so far no person in power has had the will to treat invaders like invaders.

Jay Will wrote:Boomercaust turns USA blue.
And whose fault is that?
Who was it that so devalued traditional US values and spent their whole lives importing hoards of replacements for the children they killed?

Crave wrote:Will COVID-19 aka the BOOMER DOOMER be the first virus to attain sainthood?
Heh, St. Corona-chan.

VD wrote:The high cost of the general medical system is purely government-regulatory in nature.
Agreed. But we can't even begin to fix it if "don't touch my Medicare" remains the primary priority.

I, for one, would like to destroy Medicare and Social Security, and before the Boomers whine about paying into it their entire lives: so have I!

Akulkis wrote:@101
"I love that all of the gen Z with their covid is a Boomer remover, can't wait for their socialist utopia where health care will work…. Once the Boomers who vote conservatively are gove, the VD generation of Gen X joins the in crowd and we see what happens when health care becomes like the DMV— all uniforms and rainbows…"

And you know who's responsible for
A) aborting 1/3 of Gen-x
B) NOT abolishing the 1965 Hart-Cuellar Immigration Act, but instead, looking at it as personal financial opportunity, and
C) Destroying the public school curriculum, introducing social promotion, and dumbed-down classes

We all know WHO is responsible for that, and it's NONE of the people you're telling to make the best of the now thoroughly fucked-up society which your generation created.

And the absolutely infuriating thing?
If there is any acknowledgment of guilt, which is improbably, it's likely "I'm glad I'll be dead before shit hits the fan."

Blogger OneWingedShark March 16, 2020 9:32 AM  

justaguy wrote:#131: I agree-- we haven't had to face how to save our civilization since times of either the muslim destruction or the fall of rome. But of course today's Gex X and younger no longer want to save civilization because they are too woke.
There are those that want to save Civilization; unfortunately our elders both deny us the means and [try to] shame us — "But illegals are human beings, you can't just kill them" vs. "They're invaders, and the just and proper response is to kill them."

Akulkis wrote:"Boomercaust??
Nah..there are too many of us."

Is there some sort of natural limit preventing Boomers from dying off at the same rate as which they were born?

I'm really tempted to write a book where Boomers are vampires, draining the life of younger generations and stealing their wealth, looking upon them as cattle.

Stephen wrote:Thanks for opening my eyes fellas.
I now am now quite clear about inheritance. It is that which is bequeathed, not that to which one is entitled.
I didn't want to see the covetousness in so many of those around me. Again, thanks for opening my eyes.

Adjustments to my last will are in order. The reading of that document will include references to insights I've gained here.

That's actually not true, it is bequeathed but it is also entitled. That is one of the subtextual points in The Prodigal Son: when he demands his inheritance, that is the equivalent of saying "I wish you were dead" to the father.

Gettimothy wrote:Scott Adams explains that children will kill the boomers.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1239187385562193923

The mental-image there is hilarious.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 17, 2020 12:21 PM  

OneWingedShark wrote:Fred wrote:Im a boomer, 60, and I bet I can bench press more than you. So fuck you Vox.
How, exactly, is bench-pressing going to save society?

Dude, he's a Boomer. Saving society is the last thing on his mind.

Blogger Paul M March 18, 2020 11:05 AM  

SJ wrote:He put me off and baffle garbed me. After some pushing he told me he's reverse mortgaged it so he could live a big life in his retirement.

Holy shit, I just put it together. My older half-brother. Born maybe 1950. Mum died, left us 80k each. I saved mine for a house one day. Brother - with three kids, mind you, kids just starting out married life with young children of their own - *immediately* commenced to spend the fuck out of that money. Bought an overpriced RV. Bought a camper trailer thing (stupid purchase, for a variety of reasons).

Some other shitty life choices. Guns and pitbulls, while the house falls apart around his longsuffering wife from lack of maintenance. Anyone but a boomer would, when inheriting at 65-ish, have passed most of that money onto their kids and grandkids. I just found it incomprehensible.

Boomer. It all makes sense now.

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