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Saturday, March 21, 2020

Coronavirus and medication

Spacebunny passed on a translated warning concerning several common over-the-counter medications from the French government. TL;DR: do not take aspirin or Advil or other forms of ibuprofin for headaches, flu, or fever at this time. Tylenol is to be preferred.

The virus has just been shown to enter the lung alveolus cell through the ECAII receptor. When it binds to it it overexpresses it and kills the alveolar cell. Hence everything it produces. Men have more receptors than women, Asians more than Caucasians and people who take anti-hypertensive drugs such as antiECAs and especially Anti-ECAII have a brutal overexpression of the receptor and therefore are more susceptible to infection and infection is more serious.

The serious cases of young people are patients who have taken anti-inflammatory drugs at the beginning of the disease. Aspirin, ibuprofen, naproxen, voltarene (diclofenac), etc. must be avoided, because they favor the grave forms. You should only take Paracetamol.

Do not take ibuprofen or anti-inflammatory if you suspect Covid. In France, four serious cases of young people without previous pathology have in common the taking of ibuprofen. Apparently it makes the infection develop much faster.

They are reminded that they should NOT take Ibuprofen, Motrin, Advil, or aspirin for flu or fever symptoms. In Italy and France they have discovered that people who have died from Covid-19 have taken ibuprofen and causes the virus to be potentiated five or more times.

Anyone who has symptoms should take only and exclusively PARACETAMOL  (except, of course, medical prescription), drink plenty of water, and very often (if possible sips every 15 minutes). We also have natural antivirals such as Garlic, Ginger, Propolis, and almost all aromatic plants (Mint, Melissa (Torongil), Rosemary ...) Cinnamon, Curcuma, Fruits with Vitamin C ... in direct infusion.

I've also heard from various sources that large daily doses of Vitamins C and D3, as well as zinc, have been reported to be efficacious.

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Blogger Newscaper312 March 21, 2020 11:55 AM  

Paracetamol = european for acetaminophen (Tylenol)

Blogger Chief_Tuscaloosa March 21, 2020 12:02 PM  

Shades of 1918 flu--some epidemiologists have hypothesized that heavy use of aspirin is what took the death rate for the Spanish flu up to 11.

Blogger Unknownsailor March 21, 2020 12:02 PM  

I get migraines, and take a lot of ibuprofen to kill them when they come on. Guess I need to switch to Advil.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim March 21, 2020 12:03 PM  

Zinc Ionophores stop virus replication:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21079686/

This comments thread is pretty informative as the comments are restricted to MDs only:
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/927033

To access the comments, click the little thought bubble icon with the number inside

Blogger Brett baker March 21, 2020 12:04 PM  

Now we get the acetaminophen will kill you crowd in 3...2...

Blogger Darren March 21, 2020 12:05 PM  

"Men have more receptors than women, Asians more than Caucasians..."
I love that truth espousing communities like this blog's still exist; sharing of "discriminatory" facts like the above = banned on the alleged "public square" named Twitter now. Wish I was joking.

Blogger Sgt Polite March 21, 2020 12:05 PM  

A couple weeks back I felt something coming on (throat tingle, start of congestion). I had read about the Vitamin D protocol for virus. I normally take 1000 IU day and night. I bought some 50,000 IU D3 just for the protocol. At the first sign of symptoms take 50,000 IU, 8 hours later take 50,000 more, and 8 hours after that take 50,000. Repeat for up to 4 days if needed. In my case the first day knocked it out. High dose D3 is cheap too.

Blogger Iamblichus March 21, 2020 12:08 PM  

Great info vox

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim March 21, 2020 12:10 PM  

My SO is in the medical field, her hospital was running short on docs so they brought in an “ambassador” from New York. While on shift, he’s walking around talking about how his wife probably has Covid 19 and he had her on pequenil ( malaria Chloroquine).
Docs should start giving it off-label to high risk populations. If you can’t get it because you are currently asymptomatic, 30mg of zinc paired with green tea is your best bet. Also, if you are on hypertension medication, go to the hospital as soon as you notice any symptoms ( may just be digestive at first).
God Bless and His will be done.

Blogger Rowan March 21, 2020 12:16 PM  

Unknown Sailor,

Advil is brand name ibuprofen.

You need to switch to TYLENOL

Blogger Gregory the Tall March 21, 2020 12:17 PM  

Just do not take too much of the Paracetamol, especially not over a long period of time, as that will damage your liver automatically. Because of this, many countries have reviewed their policy of it being available OTC in petrol stations etc.

Blogger sammibandit March 21, 2020 12:17 PM  

Unknownsailer, do not take Advil. I know it sucks but we like you around here so don't take Advil.

On another note I didn't realize Voltaren was a no-go. Almost slapped some on my shoulder. Thanks Spacebunny!

Blogger Darren March 21, 2020 12:28 PM  

Lucky you. For a while I would ship in high dose Vitamin D3 but it seems Health Canada no longer wants us taking care of our own health; a few years ago the source of my previous orders shut it down because they can no longer ship across our Canadian border anything higher than 1000 IU (or something similarly useless; I think that's the highest I see in health food stores.)
By the way is it true that with high dose D3 you need to also take Vitamin K to reduce loss of tooth enamel and bone density?

Blogger Mauldication Bear March 21, 2020 12:28 PM  

As a young person taking a daily prescription NSAID for a genetic arthritis disease, I find this concerning. I suppose I'll try transitioning to extended release Tylenol temporarily, you know, just in case.

Blogger Newscaper312 March 21, 2020 12:32 PM  

@3
I assume that is humor.

Blogger jblowrod March 21, 2020 12:32 PM  

"I get migraines, and take a lot of ibuprofen to kill them when they come on. Guess I need to switch to Advil."

Typo? Advil is a trade name.for ibuprofen, so no to Advil.

Acetaminophen - Tylenol is the example substitution.

I dont care about grammar, but it's maybe a life or death matter.

Blogger Crew March 21, 2020 12:39 PM  

Zinc seems to be good against Coronavirus, as indicated by this:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2973827/

However, how do you get it into your cells? Pyrithione.

Turns out that the Persian shallot has that stuff in it:

https://infogalactic.com/info/Allium_stipitatum

Blogger D E K March 21, 2020 12:39 PM  

Thank you! Makes perfect sense.

Blogger Matthew T March 21, 2020 12:46 PM  

"I get migraines, and take a lot of ibuprofen to kill them when they come on. Guess I need to switch to Advil."

You mean you need to switch to Tylenol bro.

No, this isn't a spergout when it's a mistake that could kill you.

Blogger Zwiebel March 21, 2020 12:48 PM  

Health authorities in Spain and the German press are claiming this is "Fake News", so it must be true.

Blogger Akulkis March 21, 2020 12:49 PM  

Advil *IS* Ibuprofen.

Blogger borsabil March 21, 2020 12:49 PM  

I've been dosing on Vitamin C and Zinc for a week now. I have no idea if it works or not but like I said when I started prepping last month, it can't hurt.

Anyhoo who's up for predictions? In my country our retarded leader, Wilma Morristone, despite being a strong wymin is still refusing to shut down the schools and only yesterday stopped mass beach gatherings. This is the same faggot who was talking about going to watch the football when he'd just banned all big sporting events. Even better they allowed a cruise ship to dock and discharge all their crew and passengers a couple of days ago because it was coming from New Zealand and so it was obviously safe, forgetting that the crew were not from New Zealand and some of them had the Corona. Hilarity ensued and a big round of 'oh well, shit happens' during the news conference as Wilma's underlings attempted to explain how they could let a ship full of coffers disembark in Sydney.

So anyway a mass pandemic a la Italy and Spain seem baked in. I expect a real mass panic next week. I'm predicting a full lock down here in 5-7 days max. It will last 12 weeks and it will be effective. I don't expect the lock down strategy to work in Europe or the States, they're too big with too many shared borders, but here it should work.New Zealand, Tasmania (which will effectively become an independent country for 2 years), some of the Pacific Islands and parts of North Asia (with disciplined high IQ populations) can likely ride this out without going Mad Max. The rest of you, IMO, are completely fucked.

Blogger James Dixon March 21, 2020 12:52 PM  

Cholorquine is supposed to be very effective at treating it ( especially in conjunction with Azithromycin, per one of the President's recent tweets). Unfortunately, it's prescription only in the US.

Other anti-malaria drugs might also be effective, and Artemisinin (https://infogalactic.com/info/Artemisinin) is over the counter. But I know of no studies with it.

Blogger tuberman March 21, 2020 12:54 PM  

"...people who take anti-hypertensive drugs such as antiECAs and especially Anti-ECAII have a brutal overexpression of the receptor and therefore are more susceptible to infection and infection is more serious."

Anti-hypertensive Drugs are broken down into the following classes:

thiazide diuretics

calcium channel blockers

ACE inhibitors

angiotensin II receptor antagonists (ARBs)

beta blockers


Which of the above Anti-hypertensive Drug Classes are antiECA / Anti-ECAII?

Blogger Crush Limbraw March 21, 2020 12:55 PM  

I have followed Bill Sardi for perspective on health advice at - https://knowledgeofhealth.com/ - and his emphasis on proper supplementation.
They will also pop up in my "Is it time for some Coronavirus PERSPECTIVE?" which I posted yesterday in DaLimbraw Library - http://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/2020/03/is-it-time-for-some-coronavirus.html?m=0 - but keep in mind that we are somewhere between hysteria and apathy - and we are all responsible for our own learning and understanding.
That's why I stay clise to Vox Popoli.

Blogger Haus frau March 21, 2020 12:56 PM  

@7 both my husband and i tried high dose vitamin d protocol for the same symptoms. It worked overnight for both of us

Blogger stevev March 21, 2020 12:56 PM  

Unknown Sailor, hope it was just a typo... the article says both Ibuprofen and Advil are the no-no. Tylenol(Paracetamol) is advocated.

Blogger James Dixon March 21, 2020 12:57 PM  

> Now we get the acetaminophen will kill you crowd in 3...2...

N-Acetylcysteine is the recommended treatment for acetaminophen overdose. See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2637612/ and https://www.mdcalc.com/acetaminophen-overdose-nac-dosing

It's probably a good idea to keep some on hand, just in case.

Blogger dtungsten March 21, 2020 12:58 PM  

@Uknownsailer Advil is ibuprofen.

Blogger glueballs March 21, 2020 1:00 PM  

Wish I had known. The white foam I had been coughing up changed to deep bloody foam once I began taking large doses of aspirin. On advisement by a doctor, I switched to Tylenol to address the pain and my symptoms worsened to hacking up what appeared to be tissue. I likely caused myself permanent damage.

My experience tracks the report. Not attempting to be a drama queen.

Blogger Joeplanet March 21, 2020 1:01 PM  

This. This is how we defeat this particular invisible enemy. I’m hoping there are powerful remedies for the other invisible enemy of mankind.

Blogger Boomer55 March 21, 2020 1:09 PM  

@3 Advil is a brand name for Ibuprofen! It will not help.

@5 Yeah, from what I have read, the safety margin (diff between toxic and therapeutic dose) of Tylenol/Acetaminophen has shrunk over the decades based liver damage from user reports, which don't always account for each patient. Just don't drink hard liquor. I'm an undocumented Pharmacist, but as always, be careful and YMMV.

Blogger Road to Erudition March 21, 2020 1:10 PM  

The benefits of vitamin D3 were recently confirmed to me by a family member who is a Dr. in the California medical system. I think its pretty safe to say to take 1000-2000 IUs per day if you suspect you will get the virus.

Blogger Chiva March 21, 2020 1:12 PM  

Thank you for the timely info. Just started to feel symptoms of the flu.

Blogger DJ | AMDG March 21, 2020 1:14 PM  

I don’t know why the MSM is so adamantly trying to debunk this. I remember vividly when in the 70s/80s kids were getting Rye Syndrome from taking aspirin (a similar NSAID to ibuprofen) when taking it for fever accompanied flu.

Blogger PH March 21, 2020 1:14 PM  

Re Vit C

Dr. Mao has been using high-dose dose IVC to treat patients with acute pancreatitis, sepsis, surgical wound healing and other medical conditions for over 10 years. When Covid-19 broke out, he and other experts thought of vitamin C and recommended IVC for the treatment of moderate to severe cases of Covid-19 patients. The recommendation was accepted early in the epidemic by the Shanghai Expert Team. All serious or critically ill Covid-19 patients in the Shanghai area were treated in Shanghai Public Health Center, for a total of 358 Covid-19 patients as of March 17th, 2020.

Dr. Mao stated that his group treated ~50 cases of moderate to severe cases of Covid-19 infection with high dose IVC. The IVC dosing was in the range of 10,000 mg - 20,000 mg a day for 7-10 days, with 10,000 mg for moderate cases and 20,000 for more severe cases, determined by pulmonary status (mostly the oxygenation index) and coagulation status. All patients who received IVC improved and there was no mortality. Compared to the average of a 30-day hospital stay for all Covid-19 patients, those patients who received high dose IVC had a hospital stay about 3-5 days shorter than the overall patients. Dr. Mao discussed one severe case in particular who was deteriorating rapidly. He gave a bolus of 50,000 mg IVC over a period of 4 hours. The patient's pulmonary (oxygenation index) status stabilized and improved as the critical care team watched in real time. There were no side effects reported from any of the cases treated with high dose IVC.

http://orthomolecular.activehosted.com/index.php?action=social&chash=0a09c8844ba8f0936c20bd791130d6b6.148&s=bad97c655476f96a390a72c05a742011

Blogger DJ | AMDG March 21, 2020 1:14 PM  

Sailor. It’s the same thing.

Blogger bramley says "Enoch was right" March 21, 2020 1:16 PM  

Paracetamol is very hard on the liver and stomach lining, so go easy, people.

My secret weapon so far has been Sambucol, but it looks like the cat is out of the bag as i can't find any at the usual places.

Also, a whiskey gargle for sore throat is magic, and a good excuse to have loads of whiskey around. Hot toddies ftw.

Blogger Careless Whisper March 21, 2020 1:20 PM  

D and Zinc carefully! Re: vitamin D, you want to have an optimal blood level before you even get sick, the better to handle the response to the initial infection. For most people, 2000iu a day is adequate. Start right away.
Zinc should be taken at moderate doses, 20 to 50mg/day. UNTIL YOU ARE OBSERVE SYMPTOMS OF ILLNESS. At which point you take roughly 100mg SPREAD OUT OVER THE COURSE OF THE DAY, repeat for the first 48hrs or so. Then back off.
You see zinc modulates T cell activity, and T cells are the white blood cells that "tag" the incoming threat. After two days or so the T cells have done their job. Overdoing zinc for prolonged periods can run you down, adversely effect your mood, and constipate you. The last thing housebound people need.

If you know someone who is going buckwild with the zicam, be a friend and warn them to cool it!

Blogger CS March 21, 2020 1:25 PM  

Here's the story on vitamin D and the flu:

On the epidemiology of influenza

Seems compelling and is likely relevant to avoiding Covid-19. At least I can't be the only one to think So. At the supermarket this AM all vitamins were available except D.

Blogger Up from the pond March 21, 2020 1:26 PM  

Post says Advil is bad too.

Blogger Jack Amok March 21, 2020 1:30 PM  

Add oregano oil to the naturals, it's a powerful immune system booster. For Vitamin D, remember that sunlight on your skin is the natural source of it, and some indication it's more effective than taking supplements.

sharing of "discriminatory" facts like the above = banned on the alleged "public square" named Twitter now. Wish I was joking.

The info about Asians and men being more susceptible because they have more of the receptors the virus attacks has been known for at least a month, but admitting there are two sexes and different races is worse than killing people to the damn progs.

Blogger Arthur Isaac March 21, 2020 1:33 PM  

Quinine, malaria dose. 500 mg up to twice daily.

Blogger Salt March 21, 2020 1:35 PM  

Someone elsewhere mentioned, un-sourced, the French backed off that.

Blogger Starboard March 21, 2020 1:37 PM  

Unknown Sailor, I suspect a typo, but just in case:

Ibuprophen = Motrin
Acetimenophen = Tylenol = Paracetamol

My beloved husband is rolling his eyes at me for packing away the vitamin M and keeping out only the Tylenol. He works in a hospital, takes blood pressure meds, and gets bronchitis from almost every cold. Yeah, I'll err on the side of caution all day every day on this.

Blogger Doktor Jeep March 21, 2020 1:39 PM  

Rum it is then

Blogger Crew March 21, 2020 1:46 PM  

Which of the above Anti-hypertensive Drug Classes are antiECA / Anti-ECAII?

The French do everything backwards. The are probably referring to what the rest of the world calls ACE2: Angiotensin Converting Enzyme 2.

Blogger David March 21, 2020 1:49 PM  

Ibuprofen restriction is face news. Started with a Lancet article with a proposed mechanism re: ACE inhibition. It is not proven at all-just speculation. CDC says IBU OK. WHO has reversed prior advisory. I suspect the French will as well as this seems more of an overreaction out of fear.

Blogger APL March 21, 2020 1:53 PM  

Unknownsailor: "I get migraines, and take a lot of ibuprofen to kill them when they come on. Guess I need to switch to Advil."

Immagran, Sumatriptan, are excellent and speedy remedy for Migrane

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 21, 2020 1:58 PM  

Road to Erudition wrote:The benefits of vitamin D3 were recently confirmed to me by a family member who is a Dr. in the California medical system. I think its pretty safe to say to take 1000-2000 IUs per day if you suspect you will get the virus.
For about five or six years, I've been taking 10,000 IU of D3 every day that I don't get a touch of sunburn. That's well over 300 days per year.
PH wrote:The IVC dosing was in the range of 10,000 mg - 20,000 mg a day for 7-10 days, with 10,000 mg for moderate cases and 20,000 for more severe cases, determined by pulmonary status (mostly the oxygenation index) and coagulation status. ... Dr. Mao discussed one severe case in particular who was deteriorating rapidly. He gave a bolus of 50,000 mg IVC over a period of 4 hours.
From reading some medical papers from 100 years ago, 50 grams of IV vitamin C is an appropriate dose to stop a viral infection in an adult. It's a happy surprise that the lower doses worked.

Blogger The Course of Empire March 21, 2020 2:01 PM  

Sadly, as my daughter pointed out ,this isn't great for Celiacs like her; as Tylenol uses gluten in it.Aspirin may or may not have gluten; depending on the brand, so for all Celiacs and gluten intolerant, be careful (my daughter can have severe reactions to gluten, which compromises her immune and nervous systems).

Blogger anorganicbear March 21, 2020 2:08 PM  

@42 it's still a good idea to supplement the D3, since the majority of us don't get enough sunlight to naturally produce the recommended dose.

Blogger Salt March 21, 2020 2:13 PM  

Road to Erudition wrote:I think its pretty safe to say to take 1000-2000 IUs per day if you suspect you will get the virus.

The D3 I got at the store is 5000IU, right off the shelf.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 21, 2020 2:17 PM  

The Course of Empire wrote:Sadly, ... this isn't great for Celiacs like her; as Tylenol uses gluten in it.
Tylenol is a brand name for acetaminophen. There may well be gluten-free generics for it. Also, acetaminophen is a febrifuge, not a cure. Skipping it entirely is perfectly OK. You can bring down a fever with a cold bath or alcohol rubs.
bramley wrote:Paracetamol is very hard on the liver and stomach lining, so go easy, people.
True. If you do use acetaminophen, moderate, temporary use isn't going to toast your liver. Pay attention to the instructions on the label.

Blogger Unknown March 21, 2020 2:19 PM  

"AntiECAII" => "Anti-ACE2". It was only a cursory translation.

Blogger Damelon Brinn March 21, 2020 2:20 PM  

"people who take anti-hypertensive drugs....are more susceptible to infection"


That could be part of the reason it's hitting older people so much harder. Most people's blood pressure rises as they get older, and it's pretty standard for doctors to put them on anti-hypertension meds just in case. They plug the patient's BP and cholesterol levels and a few other factors into the Framingham calculator, which tells them the patient has X% chance of heart attack in the next Y years, and toss some BP-lowering meds into the prescription. They're some of the most-prescribed meds in existence, so an old person taking several pills every day is probably on some.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia March 21, 2020 2:24 PM  

tuberman wrote:"...people who take anti-hypertensive drugs such as antiECAs and especially Anti-ECAII have a brutal overexpression of the receptor and therefore are more susceptible to infection and infection is more serious."

Anti-hypertensive Drugs are broken down into the following classes:

thiazide diuretics

calcium channel blockers

ACE inhibitors

angiotensin II receptor antagonists (ARBs)

beta blockers

Which of the above Anti-hypertensive Drug Classes are antiECA / Anti-ECAII?


Your list is correct, and as you imply the Anti ECA is unclear.

In the literature, ECA stands for enterobacterial common antigen, which is cell surface antigen on bacteria -- nothing to do with blood pressure issues.

See:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26400887

The phrase "ACE Inhibitor" in French is Inhibiteur de l'ECA.

So that maybe what it means, but there are no "Class II" designations for ACE inhibitors, as far as I can tell.

The difference is the various forms of ACE inhibitors turns one thing -- how they active ingredient is eliminated from the body -- basically, do piss it out or shit it out?

Basically ACE inhibitors decrease the constriction of blood vessels by acting/neutralizing the enzyme ACE (well, duh!) which in turn coverts another enzyme into a vasoconstrictor.

The ACE enzyme is prevalent in lung capillaries. It's possible that buy relaxing these capillaries, there is more likely to be a additional fluid build up in the lungs if you get pneumonia.

That's the only chain-of-reasoning that makes sense to me, but it's a pretty tenuous one for now.

By the way, I take an ACE inhibitor, so I've learned quite a bit about it. But there's tons of stuff out there explaining the downstream effects, but I've never see any literature that says excess lung fluid build up is a side effect.

Blogger Doktor Jeep March 21, 2020 2:25 PM  

I'm totally high on thieves oil right now. Where can I get one of those plaque masks with the beak.

Blogger Seth S March 21, 2020 2:27 PM  

Thanks for the heads up, I had been using Advil for the occasional headache and sciatica flare up, but I'll get some Tylenol instead.

Blogger Bibliotheca Servare March 21, 2020 2:27 PM  

And Tylenol is a no-go for me...joy. Good information to have though, so thanks for sharing it. Any chance of a link to the original? Some of my family members in Europe speak French, and it'd be nice to be able to send it to them.

Hope everyone is staying safe and healthy! Praying for y'all.

Blogger Sambuca_Ford March 21, 2020 2:28 PM  

The ladyfriend vouches for D3, cinnamon, and zinc among other natural preventatives. Working here. Be well friends.

Blogger The Cooler March 21, 2020 2:31 PM  

Glutamine + Citrulline Malate + Turmeric with high curcuminoid content + Ginger -- fresh shaved, if you can get your hands on it = natural pain reliever/anti-inflammatory.

I take this daily for DOMS and am rarely sore because of it, but it works for any kind of pain/inflammation, even migraines. Sniffing a fresh citrus peel or orange essential oil also works on migraines.

Blogger SirHamster March 21, 2020 2:31 PM  

Crew wrote:Zinc seems to be good against Coronavirus, as indicated by this:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2973827/

However, how do you get it into your cells? Pyrithione.


On a similar note with respect to Zinc, Anon. Conservative linked this
tweet:


To be clear, Zinc is no help w/o Chloroquine. Zinc can inhibit the replication of the coronavirus, but first it has to get inside. It can't penetrate the outer membrane of the respiratory cell the virus has hijacked w/o Chloroquine first opening up a gateway across that membrane

Reports in AC's same blogpost that Hydroxychloroquine is effective treatment for COVID-19.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia March 21, 2020 2:33 PM  

Since I had pneumonia 4 years ago, I have been taking daily 1000 mg in Vitamin C powder and 5000 IU of Vitamin D3.

No colds, no flu in the meantime. Anecdotal of course and YMMV, but it certainly hasn't hurt.

Blogger Bucephalus March 21, 2020 2:35 PM  

Awesome info, Vox. Man I gotta tell you, been reading this blog for 10 years and it has totally shaped my world view, and how I approach just about everything. Very smart people that have taught me many thanks way more than any college education could have. Thanks man! You have a positive affect on people thousands of miles away!

Blogger PixelNinja March 21, 2020 3:09 PM  

The fever is a beneficial immune response. Ibuprofen is an anti-pyretic (fever suppressing).

Blogger Auriga March 21, 2020 3:21 PM  

Darren wrote:By the way is it true that with high dose D3 you need to also take Vitamin K to reduce loss of tooth enamel and bone density?

Yes, Vitamin D3 on its own puts some calcium in soft tissues like arteries, which leads to arterial calcification, and does not put it all into bone. Vitamin K2 takes calcium from soft tissues and puts it into bone. Along with Vitamin D3, people should also take 45 to 120 mcg of Vitamin K2 MK-7.

You can get Vitamin K2 MK-7 separately, you can also get it with Vitamin D3, and you can also get it in some multivitamins. However you get it, ensure that your total dose is between 45 and 120 mcg/day.

The multivitamins I know of which have between 45 and 120 mcg of Vitamin K2 MK-7 are Controlled Labs - Orange Triad Multi, Douglas Laboratories - Ultra Preventive X, Legion - Triumph Multivitamin, Naturelo - One Daily, and Naturelo - Whole Food. The only one daily multivitamin which has a sufficient amount of Vitamin K2 is Naturelo - One Daily, all the others require multiple capsules/tabs.

Once you have your Vitamin K2 MK-7, then you can safely take high doses of Vitamin D3 forever. Vitamin D3 is also available in liquid form, which is preferable because you can't choke on it like with capsules.

It's much better to take Vitamin D3 for the flu than not, it is better still to take Vitamin K2 MK-7 along with it.

Blogger SmockMan March 21, 2020 3:25 PM  

Darren wrote:By the way is it true that with high dose D3 you need to also take Vitamin K to reduce loss of tooth enamel and bone density?

As far as I understand no. D3 increases calcium absorption. Calcium free in your blood causes plaque build up in your veins. K2 helps direct calcium to its proper place (bone, teeth, etc) and to reduce the plaque build up. This is why it is always recommened to be take with d3. d3+k2 combo pills are now easy to find.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume March 21, 2020 3:26 PM  

Jack Amok wrote:Add oregano oil to the naturals, it's a powerful immune system booster. For Vitamin D, remember that sunlight on your skin is the natural source of it, and some indication it's more effective than taking supplements.

My old Doc, before he passed away, used to say that was the reason Colds and Flus went away for the most part in the summer. It wasn't justthe hot weather/temp, it was people actually being outside in the sunlight.

Blogger Reader March 21, 2020 3:36 PM  

A handy tip, maybe. I love horseradish and it's supposed to be good for the immune system, among other benefits. I make it fresh. Buy it in the store in its root form. Peel the outer dark skin. Roughly cut it up, then grind it in the food processor - adding only white vinegar. Keep adding the vinegar and grinding it until it gets to the typical consistency that you see in the jars. That stuff is powerful. Be careful when you take the lid off the processor, the vapors will burn your eyes. Store it in the fridge.

I've used horseradish to clear my nose from allergies.

Horseradish is delicious with steak. I also mix it with a little mayo and add some honey for a nice veggie dip. Right now, I'm cooking some turkey sausage in the oven and mixed up the last of horseradish with mayo and mustard to eat with the sausage. I will be going to the store for more horseradish root today. I don't expect it will be sold out.

Blogger tuberman March 21, 2020 3:45 PM  

> Ibuprofen restriction is face news.

THIS article is very logical, thus unlikely to be fake. It's great info for further caution.

Blogger Unknownsailor March 21, 2020 4:05 PM  

jblowrod wrote:"I get migraines, and take a lot of ibuprofen to kill them when they come on. Guess I need to switch to Advil."

Typo? Advil is a trade name.for ibuprofen, so no to Advil.

Acetaminophen - Tylenol is the example substitution.

I dont care about grammar, but it's maybe a life or death matter.

Yes, typo, I meant Tylonol.

Blogger PH March 21, 2020 4:10 PM  

Darren, yes with D3 take K. Most pills already have it combined.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume March 21, 2020 4:11 PM  

My gay leftist neighbor down the street just hung a big gay rainbow flag outside and put an even bigger rainbow sign on their porch. So, I looked up holidays and observances for 3/21. I had no idea there were so many. Insanity. Anyway, I didn't find a gay holiday for that day specifically, but it turns out, last week was National Introverts week.

Isn't that some crazy timing.

Blogger SigSyndicate March 21, 2020 4:11 PM  

What's odd is the the WHO endorsed the ibuprofen restriction initially... and then immediately rolled it back the next day. And then the media jumped on it, talking about how great and safe ibuprofen is and how there's no evidence it makes anything worse.

Blogger Vaughan Williams March 21, 2020 4:20 PM  

@58 Jeep, if you find out, let us know. Those bird beak face masks look awesome, I want one too.

Blogger Kiwi March 21, 2020 4:26 PM  

@58. Doktor Jeep

heh

Blogger Kiwi March 21, 2020 4:32 PM  

The french government sent their thugs to NZ and bombed one of our boats in port, sinking it and killing one person. I'm not going to take any of their advice. After that we changed french stick to kiwi stick and french fries to shoe strings.

Blogger Yossarian March 21, 2020 4:51 PM  

Suppressing your body's natural immune response to a pathogen is a bad idea in any illness. The cases where such anti-inflamatory medication is life-saving are rare. Hydration and a good diet is key. Given no other medical condition like heart disease or epilepsy, the cases out there of people dying of fever you can count on your fingers.

There is no such thing as an immune system booster. The key in any disease is for the immune system to recognize the pathogen. Nothing you can take will help boost your immune system's ability to recognize said pathogens (aside from lab-grown antibodies). That being said you don't want your immune system to run on fumes so supplement away but don't expect it to turn into a superhero. Same goes for missing a dose of whatever supplements you're taking, it won't make your immune system crash so don't freak out.

Facemasks don't do anything against a virus. Their proper use should be for the ill people to wear them so others know to stay at a safe distance. Those dust masks with filters and an ergonomic seal will help. From what I've seen how people are using gloves they might as well not be used at all. Washing your hands is enough. Washing your hands and wearing gloves defeats the purpose of wearing gloves in the first place.

Blogger BriarRabbit March 21, 2020 5:07 PM  

This is exactly what killed so many in 1918. The 1918 Spanish flu pandemic has been misunderstood and wildly misrepresented. People died, but not from flu.


https://foodfreedom.wordpress.com/2011/07/09/bayer-and-death-1918-and-aspirin/

Blogger Jack Amok March 21, 2020 5:23 PM  

it's still a good idea to supplement the D3, since the majority of us don't get enough sunlight to naturally produce the recommended dose.

The D3 produced by sunlight is slightly different than what you get in supplements. It's sulfated where supplements are not, and it's possible that it's the sulfate that really does the magic. None of this is definitive, Science! and all that, but on the possibility that it's true, try to get some mid-day sun on your skin. Don't stop taking supplements, but do get some sun.

My old Doc, before he passed away, used to say that was the reason Colds and Flus went away for the most part in the summer. It wasn't justthe hot weather/temp, it was people actually being outside in the sunlight.

Yep, plus the sun is higher in the sky during summer so you get more UV rays (it's the UVs that oxidize cholesterol and sulfur in your skin cells to create D3 sulfate). In winter, the rays have to go through more atmosphere to get to you and more of the UV rays are blocked.

30 minutes of sunlight between 10am and 2pm.

Blogger Daniel March 21, 2020 5:34 PM  

Vox, excellent useful information. Thanks as always. It always amazes me what I learn on this site.

Blogger Damelon Brinn March 21, 2020 6:10 PM  

By the way, I take an ACE inhibitor, so I've learned quite a bit about it.

I've just started taking one, so I appreciate the info. I doubt that my doctor would know as much.

Blogger cyrus83 March 21, 2020 6:24 PM  

Certain versions of Excedrin use paracetamol and are free of aspirin and NSAIDs, check the labeling at the pharmacy (the one I used included caffeine for treatment of migraine).

My doc has had me on 10000 IU per day of D3 OTC for a while and is a big believer in it. Haven't really gotten seriously ill in the last few years while on it, just some mild sore throats, snuffles, and coughs at times. Zinc you should probably check with your GP if on any medications, it can interact with a lot of things, including apparently chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine; most Zinc products are a no-go for me due to the interaction risk.

Blogger crazyivan498 March 21, 2020 7:59 PM  

Thanks for the reference. I will use at work tomorrow.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction March 21, 2020 8:07 PM  

Should we stay away from antihistamines like Benadryl as well?

Blogger nswhorse March 21, 2020 8:15 PM  

Jack Amok wrote:it's still a good idea to supplement the D3, since the majority of us don't get enough sunlight to naturally produce the recommended dose.

The D3 produced by sunlight is slightly different than what you get in supplements. It's sulfated where supplements are not, and it's possible that it's the sulfate that really does the magic. None of this is definitive, Science! and all that, but on the possibility that it's true, try to get some mid-day sun on your skin. Don't stop taking supplements, but do get some sun.

My old Doc, before he passed away, used to say that was the reason Colds and Flus went away for the most part in the summer. It wasn't justthe hot weather/temp, it was people actually being outside in the sunlight.

Yep, plus the sun is higher in the sky during summer so you get more UV rays (it's the UVs that oxidize cholesterol and sulfur in your skin cells to create D3 sulfate). In winter, the rays have to go through more atmosphere to get to you and more of the UV rays are blocked.

30 minutes of sunlight between 10am and 2pm.


Is this another example of longstanding government health advice being less than helpful? I've been told since I was a child in the 80s to avoid the Sun between 10 and 3 so I won't get skin cancer.

Blogger OvergrownHobbit March 21, 2020 8:15 PM  

@54 Fever at lower levels is your friend vs. infectious agents.

From the comments section of the above linked hydrochloroquine Medscape article: A how to on "fomenting" as treatment.

Dr. Benjamin Lau 1 day ago--
I have successfully used hydrotherapy for more than three decades to treat pneumonia with SARS and now SARS-CoV-2. (Just this week I have received several emails from friends and former patients reporting their successful treating of colds and pneumonias in their homes). The hydrotherapy is called Fomentation meaning the use of moist heat. The process begins by heating a wet towel in a microwave oven for three minutes, wrapping this hot towel in a dry towel, and placing it directly on the chest or the back. Fresh hot towels are prepared approximately every five minutes, and total treatment lasts 15-20 minutes. Treatment is given every 4 to 6 hours.

Moist heat penetrates the tissue to a depth of 2 to 5 inches killing all microbes including viruses. Moist heat also loosens mucus so that patients will be able to cough it out. With lower respiratory infection, alveoli can fill with mucous secretions so thick that the person is unable to cough it up. Left untreated, the mucus can eventually cause breathing problems and hypoxia. Moist heat enhances blood circulation, recruiting immune cells and cytokines to destroy viruses. Moist heat also encourages perspiration allowing toxic byproducts to be eliminated through skin.

*Any pony-mad readers find the name amusing?

Blogger wgmeisheid March 21, 2020 8:20 PM  

Here is a very good lifesaving article by Dr. Russell Blaylock about flu, the cytokine storm (what kills you), and how D3, Vitamin C, Circumin, n-Acytl Cysteine, and magnesium and zinc will stop it in its tracks.

My experiences supports this. I have the 50,000 D3 unit capsules because about 7 years ago I went to a small writers conference (12 writers and a very successful author) where the host author tore up our manuscripts for 3 days. It is where I met my final editor for my book on Moses (Beginnings - on Amazon). She is his editor. Anyway, as we were signing in, the guy in front of me was from the University of Tennessee (webmaster for their athletic department) and he said he had been exposed to the two week flu going around where he came from and was starting to get chills and felt he had come down with a fever. He said he was going to leave.

The gentleman behind me told him to hold off, since he had paid a large amount to come to the event (it was over $2000 for everything), and he reached into his bag and gave him 2 50,000 unit vitamin D3 capsules and said wait an hour, and if you don't improve, go home. Well he did improve and the gentleman, who was a General Practitioner from Georgia, gave him another 100,000 at dinner and another 100,000 at breakfast. The guy from Tennessee made it through the conference with what ended up like a mild cold. So he went from onset of full-blown flu back to a mild cold in several hours and it never got worse.

As to dosage, the GP told me that for the whole of its existence, East Germany had supplemented all newborns with 200,000 units of vitamin D at birth and if you are out in the sun at the beach you get anywhere from 150-250,000 units of D each day, so no, what he gave him wasn't excessive. He told me that every cell in the body has a D3 receptor and one important thing it does is that it helps the cell resist viral penetration so it stops the viral cascade. That gives your body has a chance to catch up and deal with the virus. The article I sent you focuses more on stopping the cytokine storm, also important, but a different vector.

Blogger wgmeisheid March 21, 2020 8:22 PM  

Re: Blaylock's article and vitamin C. https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/0418-Blaylock.pdf

Dr. Blaylock does not believe your body could deal with massive amounts of vitamin C but the Linus Pauling institute disagrees as does a book I have by two research MDs, The Science of Vitamin C. Linus Pauling argued that anything less than 3.5-4 grams of vitamin C a day is not therapeutic. He took 10-12 grams of C orally every day (distributed doses) up until he died in his early 90's from cancer. You will know when your body cannot absorb or utilize the C because you will get loose stools, telling you to cut back on your dosage. That happens to me above 4 grams in a dose (ascorbic acid crystals), but when I was sick (before going on the high D3 regimen) even doses above that did not cause the problem as my body must have been utilizing it as fast as I could supply it. However, there is another delivery channel called Liposomal C, where the C is encapsulated in a lecithin molecule where is absorbed both more quickly and more easily in both the intestines and the cell. It has been shown to be about as 90% effective as intravenous C and is the chosen method for high doses where an IV is not practical (self-administration for example) of up to 25-50 grams in a day.

There are documented cases where 100 grams of C administered intravenously over a day stopped Ebola. Don't ask me why none of this is not more commonly known or used as a solution. Adherents argue that there is no money in C and D3. Here is a case example of intravenous C and the flu. https://isom.ca/article/high-dose-vitamin-c-influenza-case-report/

All I know is that I have seen it work and work for me. I haven't had a cold or the flu since I started the 10,000 a day D3 7 years ago and neither has my wife. We both do not get flu shots (see the Blaylock article). I take 7-9 grams of C every day split between crystals and liposomal C. This is one of the reasons I am still going strong at 72 and soon to be 73 (April 8) working a full 40 hour week (4 - 10 hour days). Yes I technically a boomer, but I have been fighting the fight my whole life, and this is part of the fight.

I hope this helps. Pass on to whomever is willing to receive the info and do be safe.

Blogger Bibliotheca Servare March 21, 2020 8:25 PM  

Apologies, should have googled first. Found it. Thanks!

Blogger Damelon Brinn March 21, 2020 8:49 PM  

I've been told since I was a child in the 80s to avoid the Sun between 10 and 3 so I won't get skin cancer.

SunBURN is bad. SunLIGHT is good. A tan is good because it protects from burns, without blocking the beneficial rays like many sunblocks do. You just want to get it gradually. If you get some midday sun on each sunny day in the spring, you'll gradually pick up a tan and won't get burned like the people who go outside on a hot summer day for the first time in months.

Blogger Servant March 21, 2020 9:22 PM  

Got used to the vitamin M in the service for treating aches and pains of exercise stress. Doing two extensive reno projects leaves me feeling battered (not in the best shape of my life). Long steam shower takes the edge off. Coronu: great excuse to diet and get some sun since I was laid off. As well as finish these projects.

Stay safe all.

Blogger wgmeisheid March 21, 2020 9:26 PM  

I thought it was interesting they closed the beaches in Florida when good advice would have sent everyone to the beaches, into the sun, to get that vitamin D.

Blogger MrNiceguy March 21, 2020 9:32 PM  

Overdoing zinc for prolonged periods can run you down, adversely effect your mood, and constipate you. The last thing housebound people need.


On the other hand, there is a toilet-paper shortage.

Blogger Didas Kalos March 21, 2020 9:35 PM  

Is it possible that this region of Italy had a high number of citizens receive a new vaccine that may have weakened their immune system at the wrong time?
https://www.italymagazine.com/italy/health/italy-produces-new-meningitis-vaccine

Or another one? Pneumonia perhaps?

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction March 21, 2020 11:37 PM  

News travels fast, I just received two separate forwarded recordings of someone reading the above.

Blogger Jack Amok March 21, 2020 11:43 PM  

I've been told since I was a child in the 80s to avoid the Sun between 10 and 3 so I won't get skin cancer.

The UV light hitting your skin has to have it's energy put somewhere. Initially it goes to oxidizing cholesterol and sulfur in your skin cells, creating D3 sulfinate (good thing). But if you're in the sun long enough, the cholesterol and sulfur get depleted and the UV rays start to damage your skin. So exposure until just before you start to burn is good. After that, bad.

Blogger Revelation Means Hope March 22, 2020 1:41 AM  

Fever is your body's way to deal with infection . Suck it up and let the fever rage. Only dangerous at really high numbers for certain lengths of time. I expect the Finnish love of sauna will be of great help

Blogger Mindcrime2015 March 22, 2020 5:09 AM  

ACE = Angiotensin converting enzyme inhibitor. ACE inhibitors typically end in -pril, e.g. lisinopril, captopril, enalapril, etc. Angiotensin 2 receptor antagonists = ARB ARBs end in -artan, Irbesartan, valsartan, etc. If the above information is correct, best to avoid these.

Blogger James Jameson March 22, 2020 5:55 AM  

If it helps anyone, you can repair liver damage by drinking lots of coffee (decaf works so it's not just the caffeine). Doctors sometimes even recommend this to people getting organ transplants.

Blogger James Jameson March 22, 2020 6:01 AM  

What kind of arthritis? Would be amazing luck if your doctor could switch you to a hydroxychloroquine prescription.

Blogger Timmy3 March 22, 2020 10:16 AM  

“Updated: WHO Now Doesn't Recommend Avoiding Ibuprofen For COVID-19 Symptoms”

I don’t have additional details.

Blogger Scuzzaman March 23, 2020 4:25 AM  

@97

Startling admission from that article:


"Alberto Ugazio, Director of the Bambino Gesù Children’s Hospital in Rome says that paediatricians must talk to mothers to clarify the position and reassure them that today’s vaccines are much safer than those of the twentieth century."

funny, since they were telling us in the 20th century that we were crazy to resist taking them.

Blogger JamesB.BKK March 23, 2020 10:27 AM  

How many G&T medium strength units (GTUs) using Schweppes would that be per hour approximately?

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