Saturday, March 07, 2020

Mailvox: Ignoring is not passive-aggression

An emailer reveals a number of assumptions:
Emails. The gamma can't help but type novels. So, help me understand this about the hierarchy: I've always thought that most people ignore emails out of passive-aggressiveness, to control conversations, and because they're cowards.

Clearly though, there's a time to ignore people. However, I hate to do it, because I don't want to be the above mentioned things. I'm fine being an asshole, but a coward... no.

How do you choose when and who to ignore? You obviously engage annoying people privately at length. Why?
I'll leave it to the readers here to point out the obvious ironies here, but I will correct a misapprehension and point out that I do not engage annoying people privately at length, ever. Most of my private replies are very short and I very seldom respond to a second email. The only place I provide longer responses is here on the blog.

And for any even modestly public figure, the correct time to ignore emails is every single freaking day. You know those people who say that although they don't respond to every email, they do read all of them? Rest assured, most of them don't even do that.



Blogger The Sasquatch March 07, 2020 3:19 PM  

Me, to Vox, many moons ago:


How does one become a member of the [various groups of minions]?

The sasquatch


Vox, to me, a few moons later...

One doesn't.


Simple, effective, even kinda humorous. I was surprised to even get a response.

I've employed this approach to communication in many areas in life since, and it's made things even better!

-The Sasquatch

Blogger Silent Draco March 07, 2020 3:46 PM  

Silence is self-explanatory. A blog entry is illustrative.
Two claws up :)

Communication is moving data or information from one person to another. The purpose is to increase knowledge with new data/info, or correct misconceptions or misuse. Ensure that these points are understood first. Less communication often generates more information and knowledge.

Those in medium or above organizations have days where the correct pipe is directly from inbox to /dev/null. Especially on monthly or quarterly 'admin' days. Arrgh.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 07, 2020 3:51 PM  

If I see your email, which is not a given, I will ignore it 90% of the time. If I read it, which is not a given, and I care at all about what you say, which is not a given, I might respond.
I'm just a techie guy on the internet. I can't imagine what it's like for people who get hundreds of personal emails a day.

Blogger Fargoth March 07, 2020 4:00 PM  

Starting to recognize more and more gamma behaviors as involuntary symptoms of demonic influence/possession.

It's like there's a spirit that wants to waste time, create/devour negative emotional energy, and divert attention.

Blogger Kraemer March 07, 2020 4:12 PM  

Amen to that

Blogger sammibandit March 07, 2020 4:16 PM  

Vox must get a lot of anime cat girl avatars in his inbox.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( The Surprised Pig hadn't had any idea he tasted this good ) March 07, 2020 4:27 PM  

"I've always thought that most people ignore emails ... to control conversations"


Blogger furor kek tonicus ( The Surprised Pig hadn't had any idea he tasted this good ) March 07, 2020 4:32 PM  

3. Silent Draco March 07, 2020 3:46 PM
Communication is moving data or information from one person to another.

it can be.

but you're ignoring the entire category of using communication to control the behavior of others, typically through emotional abuse, intimidation and gaslighting.

you've seen a husband who is henpecked and pvssywhipped? his wife is usually deploying the full panoply of emotional control and operant conditioning.

this is, of course, possible in the other direction. but the male partner almost always has a large physical advantage as well, thus not so surprising for him to establish relationship dominance.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 07, 2020 4:33 PM  

furor kek tonicus ( Russian meddling must be stopped! the DNC won't put up with the competition ) wrote:wut?
He sees conversations as a form of combat. A game if you like, that he needs to win.

Blogger FrankNorman March 07, 2020 4:34 PM  

"Everybody drop whatever you're doing and pay attention to MEEEEE!"

(Everyone simply ignores the silly demand and continues to go about their business)

"Waah, everyone is being so passive-aggressive!"

Blogger tuberman March 07, 2020 4:45 PM  

VD, I always figure you're super busy, so your time is important.

Blogger Rek. March 07, 2020 5:00 PM  

What I find noteworthy is the underlying assumption that emails, written exchanges and from there probably also discussions and conversations are confrontations, challenges of sorts. Opportunities to show how great/special one is and score points.

It underlies the need to constantly assert a superior/high status. Emailer is fine with being an asshole (power/high) but not a coward (weak/low status).

Also if he doesnt feel good about ignoring someone he can simply say "this is not a discussion i want to have with you/i am not interested but thanks for reaching out" or whatever but maybe that's too douchey for him.

One last thing, with his response Emailer gives me the impression of having a very significant part of his self-worth and self-representation invested in these and all kinds of interactions. With that kind of mindset getting rejected by an attractive young woman must be devastating.

Blogger Crew March 07, 2020 5:02 PM  

I tend to think of the term 'passive-aggressive' as another meaningless term like 'racism' and 'microaggression'.

Blogger Sargent.matrim March 07, 2020 5:09 PM  

I'm not a public figure and I don't even read, or respond to every email. And I never expect anyone who is not a work colleague or friend to respond.

Being a small church pastor is bad enough for random emails. I am so thankful I'm not famous. I can imagine it is very annoying.

Blogger FallenImmortal March 07, 2020 5:22 PM  

What did you expect from the devil's play book? Promise everything, dissolve the target slowly, laugh when they fail.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf March 07, 2020 5:26 PM  

RE: "I've always thought that most people ignore emails out of passive-aggressiveness, to control conversations, and because they're cowards."

During some times of the year, I receive 80 - 120 emails a day. I used to try to reply to those that were pertinent. I ended up developing carpal tunnel. Stop and think of the time required to respond to even 20 emails - assuming 3 minutes per email. Do YOU have ~ 30 hours a month free to waste on these useless emails?? Come on. That's enough time to produce a thousand+ dollars worth goods/services. And you're going to waste it on retarded emails? Often asking questions you've (A) already addressed or (B) already pointed out where the information can be found (C) or are literally retarded. 

As an aside: The Evoluent verticle mouse is a wrist saver (wired, not blue tooth). The Kinesis Advantage2 Keyboard is also very good and corrected a number of bad habits I had formed over the years regarding typing. I found adding a superset of reverse curles also helps with some elbow issues and Pop-Top smartphone grip was helpful.

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei March 07, 2020 5:26 PM  

to control conversations

That's what many people think emails are, a "conversation", which is why they spaz out if you don't respond within minutes of their sending one. Or one hundred.

Yet another detriment of the internet, with its speed and convenience. At least a letter takes time and effort to create and deliver, and people understand the time lag involved. The "information superhighway" hasn't even done anything to improve most people's orthography, grammar, or clarity of thought.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( The Surprised Pig hadn't had any idea he tasted this good ) March 07, 2020 5:40 PM  

10. Snidely Whiplash March 07, 2020 4:33 PM
He sees conversations as a form of combat. A game if you like, that he needs to win.

i understand that.

the question is how he got so goddamn stupid as to code that characterization to "ignore emails ... to control conversations".

he has completely inverted the fact of what's going on.

HE is leaping into every conversation because HE is attempting to control everyone else's speech and behavior.

but he's accusing people not responding of being "controlling".

if someone says something i disagree with, and i do NOTHING, how am i "controlling" them? aren't they just going to continue to say things that i disapprove of? ( yes, i understand that they may continue to disagree even after i run my mouth )

these may be levels of Tard never previously observed by Science!

Blogger VD March 07, 2020 6:05 PM  

I tend to think of the term 'passive-aggressive' as another meaningless term like 'racism' and 'microaggression'.

It's definitely not. It's merely a disguised form of aggression.

he has completely inverted the fact of what's going on.


Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 07, 2020 6:07 PM  

furor kek tonicus ( Russian meddling must be stopped! the DNC won't put up with the competition ) wrote:he has completely inverted the fact of what's going on.

HE is leaping into every conversation because HE is attempting to control everyone else's speech and behavior.

You're right. I hadn't looked at it from the gammatard perspective.

Blogger God Emperor Memes March 07, 2020 6:27 PM  

Proverbs 10:19

Blogger weka March 07, 2020 6:31 PM  

Most emails I get are either.

1. Missives from work that have to be sent out because HR says so. Ignored.
2. Offers to contribute to vanity publications or conferences. Ignored.
3. Phishing. Sent to IT to add to spam filters.
4. Real stuff. That is probably 10 emails a day.

Ignored by our host, but then I email rarely. I'd rather he was writing.

@Snidely, you do good with the filtering.

Blogger Sicilian Switchblade March 07, 2020 6:37 PM  

Some weeks I can barely keep up with important pertinent business oriented emails. The kind that involve people who are key to my livelihood. I cannot imagine thinking somebody was being 'passive aggressive' by not answering me back.
What the actual hell... A guy like VD has how many projects and communications going on a daily basis??

Aww geeze he just doesn't like me cuz he din't answer my retarded question now he's being passive aggressive!

I'm reminded what it was like to be 11 years old and starving for attention, with no concept of how actual men interact every time I read these gamma emails.

Blogger Up from the pond March 07, 2020 6:46 PM  

>>"I tend to think of the term 'passive-aggressive' as another meaningless term"

Many husbands would beg to differ.

Blogger Gulo Gulo March 07, 2020 7:24 PM  

Owning and running two businesses, my time is at a premium. My rule of thumb: if the email isn't directly related to the maintenance or growth of my businesses - its ignored.

Blogger Gulo Gulo March 07, 2020 7:28 PM  

If you observe a wolf pack, the Alpha of the pack will ignore the lesser males of the pack when they play, wrestle etc.. Its only when the lesser males attempt to mate with their females or attempt to eat the kill first will they beat the snot of out of the challenger. Its very alpha to ignore a lot of petty sniping etc...

Blogger Zaklog the Great March 07, 2020 7:30 PM  

I'll leave it to the readers here to point out the obvious ironies here, but I will correct a misapprehension and point out that I do not engage annoying people privately at length, ever. Most of my private replies are very short and I very seldom respond to a second email.

Can confirm.

Blogger Gulo Gulo March 07, 2020 7:46 PM  

Over the course of 6 years reading this blog, twice I have emailed our esteemed host. Once was with a legal question, relevant to my own life - to which he promptly responded. For a guy with a lot on his plate - responding to someone he doesn't know- that was very generous.
The second time was a question relevant to SG, that ultimately answered itself. In that case he, rightfully, didn't respond. When time is at a premium, why respond to a question that where the writer will eventually have his question answered. I get it - the same approach is applied in my own life. Life is too short responding to useless questions.

Blogger Farnarkler Bear March 07, 2020 7:49 PM  

Isn't being afraid of being seen as a coward a form of cowardice itself?

Blogger John Rockwell March 07, 2020 8:17 PM  

This person's effeminacy is off the charts.

Blogger RMH in StL March 07, 2020 8:20 PM  

I reached out to Vox by Email asking for his prayers concerning a diagnosis of cancer. I also lamented my own guilt for not taking better care of my own health.
His response was both gracious and encouraging. I am presently on the winning end of this struggle.

Blogger Solon March 07, 2020 8:30 PM  

"When I became an adult, I had to put away all sorts of childish fears, including the fear of being childish." -C.S. Lewis, paraphrased

To answer your question, Farn: yes.

Blogger Newscaper312 March 07, 2020 8:52 PM  

@16 Meng

On more of a budget, I found plenty of relief using the Microsoft Ergonomic Keyboard and a Logitech Track Man Marble -- the one w trackball at front center of device for manipulation w fingertips, not the horrible one w ball under thumb. Just wish there was a low noise mechanical version of the keyboard.

Blogger MaxEMiller March 07, 2020 9:38 PM  

They dont make computer health cheap, but great recommendations. I'm going to be moving over to IT at my company in the Fall and these will be my first purchases. Much appreciated

Blogger CM March 07, 2020 11:18 PM  

I think my test of that assumption is do I think I'm being passive aggressive when I ignore my kids' protests on occassion?

Sometimes it's appropriate. Not always. I don't know if I can adequately make the distinction.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants March 08, 2020 12:28 AM  

My husband says his favorite things about my personality is that I'm extremely blunt while not being meanspirited or hateful, that I don't play games, I'm not needy and instead of being passive aggressive, I'm just plain old aggressive with everyone except him
True. I have no reason to be petty, play mind games or be passive aggressive to someone I love.
I never understood that.

I only open/answer work email or a response to some mail I've sent.

Blogger Jill March 08, 2020 1:59 AM  

I remind myself constantly: "do not answer a fool according to his folly..."

Also, who emails these days? Boomers? My clients don't even email me (or rarely), and I have a folder set up for them when they do.

Blogger SmockMan March 08, 2020 6:24 AM  

Looking forward to Alphas are from Uranus and Gammas are from Ganymede by Vox Day

Blogger Silent Draco March 08, 2020 10:55 AM  

Newscaper312, think I'll try that Logitech trackball. Cold or damp weather make harder to use a mouse or touchpad. Good suggestion.

Blogger Tars Tarkas March 08, 2020 10:55 AM  

Normal people don't send walls of text to people they may follow. It's common sense that they probably already get a ton of email and spam already. With Vox, there are already other ways of getting a general question possibly answered either through superchat or comments here on under the video on yt.

Blogger Tars Tarkas March 08, 2020 11:11 AM  

Jill wrote:Also, who emails these days? Boomers? My clients don't even email me (or rarely), and I have a folder set up for them when they do.

I use snail mail whenever possible in business. I am far from a Luddite, but you use the tools available to you based on effectiveness, not availability. I always found most email to be a bit throw-away. The amount of spam that shows up decreases its usefulness.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( The Surprised Pig hadn't had any idea he tasted this good ) March 08, 2020 1:31 PM  

20. Snidely Whiplash March 07, 2020 6:07 PM
I hadn't looked at it from the gammatard perspective.

i'm not looking at it from a Gamma perspective.

i'm going at this from Dialectic.

he is presenting what he purports to be a chain of logic ( IF non-responsive THEN controlling AND cowardly ). but none of the terms or consequences follow one from another.

the faux Logic chain is how you know that this wasn't simply a transcription error where he failed to attach a negating prefix or something because "not not responding" makes even less sense than what he actually did type.

otoh, he IS accurately describing a portion of the interaction, he's just assigning his own behavior to everyone else.

therefore, at some level whether "conscious" or not, HE UNDERSTANDS WHAT'S GOING ON.

now, it's perfectly possible that he is lying to himself about what's happening and why he's doing it.

but he's DEFINITELY lying to everyone around him about what's happening and why he's doing it.

so now i've described WHAT he's doing and HOW. if i were to make a guess at WHY i would say:
1 - very high on the Narcissism spectrum
2 - probably high on the Sociopathy spectrum

Blogger Newscaper312 March 08, 2020 1:55 PM  

@ Silent Draco
Re trackball, way I actually use it is not tip of index finger (like their own photo stupidly shows), but rather have middle finger an ring finger in the ball, w ball under the first knuckle or so. I JLjust keep the fingers more or less flat and roll the ball by shifting the fingers and let ball roll against the hand. Whole hand might move a bit for bigger cursor moves -play w pointer acceleration - but it is vastly less movement than driving a mouse around. My particular problem with a mouse, which is smaller, was I tended to lean into it, puting pressure on the heel of my hand against the desk/mousepad, getting numbness. I suppose may depend on what specific motion your issue was with.
Between the MS 4000 ergo keyboard, the trackball, and a surprisingly cheap <$150 "Hyken" ergonomic chair from Staples that hits me just right, I have no particular ergonomic problems now.
Worth a try for $23 or so.

Blogger Akulkis March 08, 2020 7:48 PM  

"Isn't being afraid of being seen as a coward a form of cowardice itself?"

Bravery is when you do the right thing or what needs to be done, when every fiber of your body is terrified that you're going to get maimed or killed in the process.

Bravery is a near opposite of fearlessness.

Fearlessness is literally having no fear of obvious and tangible dangers. It leads to being the nth Flying Wallenda to die performing an m-hour tightrope walk without a net. Nothing is gained by doing their performances without any netting, but much is lost, in the form of lives.

On the other hand, putting together parts of a bangalore torpedo to blow a wire obstacle on a Normandy beach, literally losing all bladder control while doing so, when it would be MUCH safer to just hunker down and let some other guy do it and risk getting shot.. THAT is bravery.

Acts of tremendous bravery are almost always accompanied by soiled underpants. Bravery is working THROUGH the fear, doing what needs to be done DESPITE the fear.

Are you getting this?

Blogger Akulkis March 08, 2020 7:53 PM  

"On more of a budget, I found plenty of relief using the Microsoft Ergonomic Keyboard"

When I was in college, I was sometimes on a keyboard as much as 12-hours straight on weekends (computer engineering major). Never had a single problem with carpal tunnel. Getting out of college, had a few incidences with it.

Your problem is NOT traditional keyboard vs. angled-and-split "ergonomic" keyboard.

The problem is that your keyboard is at the wrong height -- to wit, MUCH too high. Get a keyboard tray, mount it at the proper level, and you can go back to using ANY keyboard you want, rather than limiting yourself to the 3~5 models of "ergonomic" keyboards on the market.

What's truly ergonomic is having your keyboard at the proper height (just a tiny bit above elbow level), not at standard "desk" height level (regardless of what shape and elevation-angle the keyboard at that height is at).

Blogger Farnarkler Bear March 08, 2020 11:12 PM  

Oh, I get it.
I'm not sure that you do, however.
Being afraid of being perceived badly (and thus not acting when action is required or vice versa) is the epitome of cowardice.
It has almost nothing to do with acting brave despite being terrified.

Blogger Monotonous Languor March 09, 2020 1:30 AM  

Anyway, nobody is really listening.

Only when you tell somebody to go to hell will they wake up and then it may start to have some kind of effing impact.

Blogger Kiwi March 09, 2020 5:18 AM  

This is why I have several email accounts. My main one I check every few days, and by check I mean delete all.

Blogger Akulkis March 09, 2020 7:28 AM  

"Oh, I get it."

No. You do not get it.

Have you ever left the safety of a concrete building during the middle of a rocket barrage, because the soft building next to you with many people who were sleeping (night shift) just got hit, because you were one of the people to whom a Combat Lifesaver Bag was issued and instructed to keep it with you at all times in case of it being needed?

Have you ever been in a firefight?

Or anything similar.

You have no concept of what is the difference between cowardice and bravery.

In my younger days, I've been guilty of cowardice. Thankfully, by the time it mattered, I had overcome that.

Anybody who has graduated from basic training in the US army or marines has been put into a position of being in fear of being called a coward if they didn't do something.

Acting out of fear of being called a coward is not cowardice. It's the first step to learning to OVERCOME your fears of physical danger or social disapproval.

I know that doesn't sound logical, but believe me, rather than speculating, trust someone who has been in that situation as well. I've seen this issue from all three sides (being cowardly, acting out of fear of being perceived as cowardly if I didn't, and acting despite my fears because , even if NOBODY would judge me for not acting, I did it anyways, because it was the right thing to do at the moment).

If you're not understanding what I'm talking about, then you don't have enough life experience yet to fully evaluate the question.

Blogger Daniel March 09, 2020 8:12 AM  

People ignore you because they are busy actually doing stuff

Blogger Farnarkler Bear March 09, 2020 8:55 AM  

Golly gee
Another essay
Many, so many words
Much projection and assumptions
And none of it worth reading

Blogger Akulkis March 09, 2020 10:40 AM  

Please explain a complex subject in one sentence, ridiculous bear.

Blogger Akulkis March 09, 2020 10:45 AM  

By the way, ridiculous bear, if you ask a question, don't get all pissy when someone with the level of knowledge and experience to answer the question gives you an answer which contradicts the one you expected.

If no amount of reasoning and evidence will sway your opinion, then don't ask the question, because then you act like a complete jackass when you get an answer from a competent source, which is what you just did.

Instead, just bite your tongue and remain silent.

Blogger Farnarkler Bear March 09, 2020 11:08 AM  

Let me ask you something, fella;
Have you ever had to drag yourself 66 miles through desert, in the middle of the hottest summer on record, because your legs were broken and its the only chance you've got? Hoping beyond all hope of a watering hole that may no longer exist, that you vaguely recalled was in that direction? It's the kind of heat so intense that the memory of sweet rain is not just distant, it's as if it's a myth that you barely remember, a legend one of the elders spoke of in your youth.
Have you?
And then having to fight your way past 33 aggressive emus, wild and feral, with the glint of rapine in their eyes and you armed only with a spork that you stole from a retarded kid back before the plane crashed, leaving you as the sole survivor?
But you've got to get this kidney, which you managed to salvage from the smoldering wreckage, to little Timmy, the reason for this whole adventure, because his story was on the tv and the music they played during the editorial was powerful and it made you sad.
Day passes to night and back to day and you keep going, on and on, fueled only by thoughts of brave little Timmy and all the likes you will get on Facebook when, if, you make it back home.
Have you fella? Have you?
Have you ever drunk the blood of a goanna that you caught with your bare hands, as if it was the finest wine? Not just because you were desperate, but because you had been watching Twilight on the plane and the whole vampire thing seemed kinda cool. Even though that main vampire seemed like a bit of a sodomite. Maybe I'd also read too many Anne Rice books. Maybe. But I'm team vampire still, not those bogan werewolves.
Dont talk to me about courage, bloke. Until you've had to perform a kidney transplant, with no prior medical knowledge, because the doctor had been on a bender and passed out from too much whiskey and you desperately needed those Facebook likes. Timmy fought bravely, desperately, against the odds. But I managed to knock him out after a brief struggle and I got the job done.
Unfortunately we lost little Timmy two days later and the doctor had finished all the whiskey.
That's the kind of shlt that haunts a man, it affects his soul.
And I still can't bear to be near an emu.
On the positive side, I got 911 likes on Facebook, something I cherish to this very day. And I've still got the spork.
Dont talk to me about bravery, bloke. I've been through the valley of shadow.
RIP little Timmy.

Blogger The Cooler March 09, 2020 12:10 PM  

Farnarkler Bear: New Best Poaster.

Blogger Akulkis March 09, 2020 10:05 PM  

Ridiculous bear: Try staying within the bounds of reality, not nonsense fantasy.

Blogger Akulkis March 10, 2020 9:28 AM  


What I told you about was nothing extraordinary -- just doing what needed to be done at the time and place.

You seem to be new here, so, I suggest you read the Rules of the Blog.

Starting with Rule #1

Rules and Facts of the blog
1. You will be addressed in the style you choose. If you come in here slinging insults and acting disrespectfully, you will be treated with a contemptuous and derisive disdain that will, based on past experience, probably upset you. This is particularly true for visitors who are under the impression, mistaken or not, that they are far more intelligent than the average individual here. If instead, you elect to offer substantive and civil criticism, then you will meet with a similarly civil response. Because we are equally capable of polite intellectual discourse and appallingly creative verbal cruelty, the form the interaction will take is up to you. Vox Popoli is not an echo chamber, but it is also not the typical Internet cesspool where you can expect to get away with spouting factual nonsense or blatant illogic with impunity.

Keep acting like an asshole, asshole, and see where it gets you.

Blogger Akulkis March 10, 2020 9:38 AM  

Rules of the Blog, continued

5. You are expected to be polite to your fellow commenters, especially if you don't know them. The regulars, who have been commenting here for years and know each other reasonably well, often engage each other in a vicious and vituperative manner that you should not try to imitate because you are not an accepted part of the group yet. Take your best shot, by all means, but attack the idea, not the individual.

6. The long-time regulars will always be favored over drive-by commenters.

12. If you have repeatedly shown yourself to be the sort of petty, ankle-biting critic who has no genuine interest in discussion or debate, but merely wishes to criticize by any means necessary, it is very unlikely that you will receive a response. This failure to respond should not be interpreted as the difficulty of the former or the strength of the latter. If you are not willing to argue in good faith, then there is absolutely no need to pay any attention to you. Furthermore, if you are one of the small group of persistent anklebiters who insist on making the same tedious and incompetent attacks over and over again, your comments will be deleted.

14. If you give a moderator reason to believe that you are not interested in honest, straightforward interaction, he will simply spam your comments. Continued attempts to post comments here will be considered harassment and dealt with accordingly. The police have already intervened twice to deal with cyberstalkers harassing this blog and it will not be a problem to identify you and contact your local authorities if necessary.

I'm NOT a moderator, but my observation over the years is that these rules ARE enforced upon those who refuse to abide by them.

I suggest you learn some manners, pronto. Especially when someone takes the time to answer YOUR QUESTION, and who has the life experience, knowledge and intelligence to actually give you a good answer, acting like a spoiled brat is exceedingly bad form.

Blogger VD March 11, 2020 6:19 AM  

Go away, Farnarkler Bear. Go snark and gamma somewhere else. And Akulkis, stop sperging and trying to "teach" people who haven't asked to be educated.

Blogger Farnarkler Bear March 11, 2020 6:58 AM  

Yes sir.
My apologies.

Blogger Akulkis March 11, 2020 1:48 PM  

Got it.

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