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Friday, March 20, 2020

Re-employing the natives

Corona-chan even has the agriculture industry in Britain looking to hire young British workers:
Farmers say the fall-out of the coronavirus chaos means they desperately need an army of Land Girls - and boys. Travel bans brought in to prevent the spread means they have lost the thousands of foreign workers they need to pick fruit and veg crops. The industry trade body British Summer Fruits is warning that produce will rot in the fields and orchards unless they can find replacements....

"Last year 98 per cent of harvest staff were from outside the UK. We are now very concerned about securing enough workers to help harvest our vital crops and get fresh fruit and vegetables to the public. To help, in the next few days the berry industry will be mounting a large-scale recruitment campaign to encourage people who are in the UK and looking for work because of the current economic impact of the coronavirus to come and work on our farms."
If you ever wondered why all those lazy young people can't seem to find work these days, perhaps it's not due to their laziness or lack of a firm handshake, perhaps it's because 98 PERCENT OF THE ENTRY-LEVEL JOBS have gone to foreigners.

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Blogger GrumpusAurelius March 20, 2020 11:14 AM  

This.This.This.This. Until I am blue in the face. This...

Blogger Jason March 20, 2020 11:14 AM  

They must go BACK!

Blogger tdcommenter March 20, 2020 11:15 AM  

Upstate NY hires Caribbean workers for Apple picking and stablehands. In NJ, all of the summer jobs at the boardwalk went to migrants. Cruise lines don't employ Americans much either, which would have been a great pre-plague job for 18+ who wanted to travel.

Blogger Zaklog the Great March 20, 2020 11:19 AM  

And yet any attempt to prioritize the well-being of your own young people will be cast as “racist.” And this is why conservatives will continue to lose because they still consider “racist” a moral category. You grant the left/globalists that one point and you’ve lost everything.

“Racism” is not a valid moral category and never has been. Hammer that at every opportunity.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer March 20, 2020 11:23 AM  

If you ever wondered why all those lazy young people can't seem to find work these days, perhaps it's not due to their laziness or lack of a firm handshake, perhaps it's because 98 PERCENT OF THE ENTRY-LEVEL JOBS have gone to foreigners.

I work in IT and most companies try to outsource all the entry level jobs to Indians, either H1B or working overseas. Then the leadership of those companies complain that they cannot get enough experienced/skilled workers in the US, so they need more H1B visas.

Blogger Maniac March 20, 2020 11:24 AM  

From what I hear, the work is strenuous and very repetitive.

Hard to picture Millennials doing it.

Blogger James Dixon March 20, 2020 11:30 AM  

> ...in the next few days the berry industry will be mounting a large-scale recruitment campaign to encourage people who are in the UK and looking for work because of the current economic impact of the coronavirus to come and work on our farms.

Question: Have you considered raising wages?
Answer: What are you, a bloody commie?

Blogger VD March 20, 2020 11:35 AM  

Conservatives will continue to lose because they still consider “racist” a moral category. You grant the left/globalists that one point and you’ve lost everything.

One of the proximate reasons, anyhow. Conservatism is intrinsically flawed. The morality of anti-racism just happens to be the particular form of the extant destructor.

Blogger babeoss March 20, 2020 11:39 AM  

Youngins need to drink a cup of concrete.. young (and elderly) people in greek and italian villages pick fruit and don't even get paid much for it. if they're lucky they're given a bag of fruit and the reward is a cake/sweet made with it. I did this when i visited my family one summer in peach orchard in Greece. Hard work is fkn delicious.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( The Surprised Pig hadn't had any idea he tasted this good ) March 20, 2020 11:45 AM  

the Republican party was founded on anti-racism and anti-slavery, ENFORCED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN EXPLICIT VIOLATION OF THE CONSTITUTION.

until the Republicans repent of this, how could you expect any rational forward movement?



"Last year 98 per cent of harvest staff were from outside the UK."

don't forget the impact of Western child labor laws. growing up, i was just behind the leading edge of the legal inability of employers to even pay wages to <16 year olds.

just about the only opportunity i even had was newspaper delivery. and who buys newspapers any more?

i do find it interesting that migrant farm workers aren't just a US thing though.

why, it almost looks like Western society was designed to achieve an effect ...

Blogger Steb March 20, 2020 11:48 AM  

Without cheap labour they would have automated, which would provide skilled, well paying jobs. But instead we import the third world and keep our economy in third world conditions.

Never leave us, Corona-Chan. We need you!

Blogger Crew March 20, 2020 11:50 AM  

98 PERCENT OF THE ENTRY-LEVEL JOBS have gone to foreigners.

This point was brought home to me years ago when I drove up to Oregon.

Not far from the border I pulled over at a Subway or something like that and there was not a single Mexican behind the counter. They were all white teens.

It's OK to say White Teens Need Entry Level Jobs In Their Own Country!

Blogger Noah B. March 20, 2020 11:51 AM  

These are perfect entry level jobs for people willing to work hard. Millennials are might not do this kind of work in large numbers, but Zoomers will. As long as the government doesn't get in the way with price controls and other regulations that make this work unattractive, anyway. Produce prices wouldn't need to increase all that much for these to become good paying jobs.

Blogger borsabil March 20, 2020 11:55 AM  

We've now achieved an effective moratorium on immigration to the west for the next two years or more. This is a God sent opportunity to save our nations and we must grasp it like our lives depend on it, which they do.

We are being provided with some hard lessons. Coronachan is now putting her loving embrace around the nations of Africa, West Asia and South America. We will soon see what she can do in the absence of advanced medical infrastructure. How will the European nations respond to tens of millions of coofing Arab and Africans invaders? Will Mamma Merkel and the other boomer elites implore us to take these coofers into our homes on the threat of being called racist? Will we comply? I very much doubt it. The Italian and Spanish navies will be machine gunning them on the Med in a month or two, and their people will be cheering them on.

Blogger Jean Durtal March 20, 2020 11:55 AM  

Maniac wrote:From what I hear, the work is strenuous and very repetitive.

Hard to picture Millennials doing it.


Step 1: remove all ability for young people to prove themselves/harden themselves up with entry-level jobs

Step 2: mock and criticize same young people for supposedly lacking the "character" needed to perform those jobs.

Boomer logic.

Blogger Up from the pond March 20, 2020 12:11 PM  

Shut up.

Blogger FALPhil March 20, 2020 12:15 PM  

We need to start by repealing the Hart-Cellar Act. I don't think we can depend on the fallout from a pesky microorganism. I sure as hell hope that the zoomers do repeal it, along with a lot of other egregious legislation. I was a kid when it passed and didn't understand why my parents were so upset about it. I remember my dad saying, "We haven't even solved our own racial issues after a hundred years. What is introducing a bunch of other groups going to do but make the situation worse? What in God's name are those assholes thinking?"

History has shown us the unintended consequences, the intended consequences, and what those assholes were thinking.

Blogger Zaklog the Great March 20, 2020 12:16 PM  

@Fkt Opposing slavery was right. Slavery is a moral wrong sand needed to be ended. Imposing “equality” is wrong. The two should not be confounded.

Blogger Better Left Unsaid March 20, 2020 12:29 PM  

The work is typically low skill so farmers don't want to pay much to get it done. The problem is that the job requires fit workers and even then it's hard work compared to fast food or retail. It should command a premium but farmers whine and moan about having to pay what is needed to attract good crews.

Would it bother me that the kid picking strawberries makes twice what the kid at Chick-Fil-A makes? Not in the least. But farmers designed a system to get around that and they'll be loathe to change.

Blogger Uncle John's Band March 20, 2020 12:32 PM  

"perhaps it's not due to their laziness or lack of a firm handshake..."

The cohort of liars who repeat these fake bromides are repulsive.

Blogger Starboard March 20, 2020 12:36 PM  

I grew up in seed corn country, and detassling corn was a great way to make serious money in the summer. It was hard work, but our crews were filled with our friends and led by our high school teachers. They neede summer jobs too.

Now the detassling crews are mostly migrants because "teenagers won't do those jobs." I suspect that parents wouldn't let their 14-17 year olds work in fields with foreigners. I know I wouldn't. As the migrants rise, the teenagers fall.

Blogger PJW Gent March 20, 2020 12:45 PM  

Interesting to note, that some young white guys I know have gone to Home Depot to stand out in the parking lot and look for day work. The regulars don't like them because they tend to get picked up first.

Blogger iDrakian March 20, 2020 12:53 PM  

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Blogger Brett baker March 20, 2020 12:57 PM  

Too many parents consider manual labor beneath their children's dignity, and they pass that attitude on.

Blogger Twisted Root March 20, 2020 12:59 PM  

Young lads should definitely get in there. However, now they can dictate terms and top of the list should be health and safety - no foreign workers. It is well understood that migrant workers are a key vector for the spread of Corona Chan.

Blogger bramley says "Enoch was right" March 20, 2020 1:00 PM  

In the UK it used to be a yearly event that groups of young people travelled off to the country to pick crops in summer. They all piled into a charabanc, had a singsong on the way, and slept in tents or huts, wherever they could lay down.

That was how seasonal farm labour got done for centuries. I think it started to change in the 80s. Suddenly everyone was too good for that kind of work. Why sweat and toil when you could go to the city and make loadsamoney?

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants March 20, 2020 1:02 PM  

I'm so old I still remember when we'd get hippies traveling around the country in old VW buses, looking for picking jobs,back in the 70s.
They'd camp not far from our house and at night would go out in the pastures, hunting magic mushrooms by flashlight.
But, they were white,aged 17-25, and willing to shovel poop, repair fences,paint houses, and whatever other odd jobs you might have.

Blogger xevious2030 March 20, 2020 1:15 PM  

“why, it almost looks like Western society was designed to achieve an effect ...”

In the time of Gaius Julius, when he entered Rome, much of the Senate had country estates, whereby slaves worked, and the citizen had to compete. Julius did not approve of the situation. Hence the Ides. And there was blood. It isn’t the first time. Senators are called CEOs now. And their treachery is recounted. But they missed their Ides. There are faint whispers of “what 2024?” As Octavian the not nephew son waits in the wings.

Blogger Jack Amok March 20, 2020 1:16 PM  

From what I hear, the work is strenuous and very repetitive.

Hard to picture Millennials doing it.


I grew up in Humboldt County when illegal pot grows were a huge business. It remained so for the Millennials entry-level work years. Like any kind of agriculture, it's actually hard work. Trimming is the entry-level job, doesn't pay much and is highly repetitive. Growers never had any trouble filling their jobs.

Because it was a cool job, in a certain context.

The other side of 98% of ag labor being immigrants is that it's uncool. If third worlders are being imported to do the job, only a loser of a first worlder would do it, right? That's the message society sends when it does that. Entire categories of workers become social failures.

Blogger awildgoose March 20, 2020 1:21 PM  

borsabil wrote:Coronachan is now putting her loving embrace around the nations of Africa, West Asia and South America.

Corona-chan was a bit slow out of the gate, but she may yet give us a lot of...help with the Ummah and the World's Most Important Graph...

Also, 300+ Corona-chan image base here (not mine):

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Blogger Balam March 20, 2020 1:27 PM  

How will people get jobs when you can't give a firm handshake anymore because corona?

Blogger Homesteader March 20, 2020 1:34 PM  

The 2nd Inaugural comes to mind, again.


Pick your OWN damn cotton and fruit.
Hire your OWN damn kids to do it.

This ISN'T rocket science.

Blogger Damelon Brinn March 20, 2020 1:38 PM  

Thirty years ago, my dad would hire a crew of boys from the area for summer farm work. Other farmers would tell him you couldn't hire kids anymore, because they all wanted to go work in the air conditioning at McDonald's. Some probably did, but my dad always had a full crew because he paid better than minimum wage.

Those farmers didn't come up with the idea that kids wouldn't work anymore themselves; they were told it over and over by all the experts running the "ag industry." It takes a lot to turn a good job into a Job Americans Won't Do, and a big part of that is indoctrinating employers into thinking they can't (or shouldn't) hire American.

Blogger Avalanche March 20, 2020 1:44 PM  

@3 "Cruise lines don't employ Americans much either"

One cruiseline DID try for a year or so -- they had two ships running between CA and to and around HI. Still-extant Civil War (!) laws keep cruise liners from going direct between two American ports. They must make a stop in a foreign port, hence sailing Hawai'i to Mexico (4-hour stop) to LA, rather than HI-to-CA.

They could NOT keep American workers onboard. Working on a cruise ship is worse than picking veg in the sun all day: almost no time off, hard work with 16-hours days... Work that, yes, Americans generally won't do -- and foreigners will.

Blogger Doktor Jeep March 20, 2020 1:48 PM  

I really don't think those big fat ratchet weave-wearing queens are going to be working. Nor those that came here to live beyond their means with low wage jobs they don't have any more and do low wage jobs they were too lazy to do at home.
And if anyone wants to give me lip on this, I have done everything to pay the bills, special thanks to outsourcing and H1Bs. From military to suit and tie finance, I did it. In 1998 I worked in a cubicle and did the same exact job as the protagonist in Office Space. By 2002 I was driving a cab. In 2003 I was lucky making 9 bucks an hour. I'm one of those white Hitlers who will take any job to stay off the file, and I have zero sympathy for snowflakes, queens, and immigrants who came here to run up credit.

Blogger Uncle Maffoo March 20, 2020 1:49 PM  

@6

Ok, shut up Boomer.

Blogger GrumpusAurelius March 20, 2020 1:49 PM  

If you've worked a trade, American tradesmen are boxed out not bc they don't work hard but bc outsiders work for less. At the sites I used to work at, every trade but hvac and plumber was under the table. Outsiders can live six to a one bedroom apt and any excess earnings sent home are big money there. Hard to claim any generation won't work hard if they walk up to the table with those chips stacked against them.

Blogger Akulkis March 20, 2020 1:50 PM  

@Maniac

We're you born a moron or did you go to school to become one?

Blogger Uncle Maffoo March 20, 2020 1:50 PM  

Jean Durtal wrote:Maniac wrote:From what I hear, the work is strenuous and very repetitive.

Hard to picture Millennials doing it.


Step 1: remove all ability for young people to prove themselves/harden themselves up with entry-level jobs

Step 2: mock and criticize same young people for supposedly lacking the "character" needed to perform those jobs.

Boomer logic.


"Just go to college!"

Blogger Akulkis March 20, 2020 1:50 PM  

@Maniac

Were you born a moron or did you go to school to become one?

Blogger Gregory the Tall March 20, 2020 1:51 PM  

Universities and schools closed, time to learn how to do some real work

Blogger Akuma March 20, 2020 1:52 PM  

I hope some Millennial purposefully burns one of those crop fields.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella March 20, 2020 1:58 PM  

Cindy Crawford, super- model, detassled corn when she was in high school. No one is too glamorous for that job. She was happy to be around her friends.

No one is going to send a young daughter out into a field with Mexican farm laborers. They rape children.

The entirety of medieval art is people harvesting- including the knights and lords- and most of American history is Americans doing farm work. Even Washington and Jefferson, the most spectacularly wealthy of all Americans, were involved in farmwork. As far as I can tell, only one American early luminary was not involved in farm work- Hamilton. He was from a British plantation island, and nobody liked him, nor found him trustworthy.

It's not like the farming urge disappeared. It was buried under a layer of social garbage- slavery, illegal immigrants, unfair pay practices, spraying poisonous chemicals on laborers. Farming and gardening books abound. People want to have their hands in the dirt. They want to work outside. They don't want to be enslaved, raped, beaten or poisoned.

When other industries got into those practices- underpaying, poisoning their workers and neighbors (see: mining, textiles, shoe factories)- those industries had worker problems, too. It's not the workers, it's the work conditions.

I'm going through training right now that leads to an office job. The only interesting part of the training is the part that would be on a factory line, or at factory desk. It's simply not available here anymore. That sort of job has been shipped overseas. My grandparents- male and female- were farmers and then factory workers in World War 2. They seemed pretty happy.

Bring it all back. All of it. Every little bit. Without the malefactors poisoning the ground, poisoning neighbors, poisoning workers.

Blogger Lazarus March 20, 2020 1:59 PM  

It will be interesting to see how this project fares.

Blogger VD March 20, 2020 2:01 PM  

Work that, yes, Americans generally won't do -- and foreigners will.

They won't do it because their productivity commands a higher wage than the employers will pay. The idea that they won't do it at all is a poisonous, even treasonous, lie that flies in the face of both history and all mainstream economics.

Blogger VD March 20, 2020 2:02 PM  

Also, Boomers need to keep in mind that real wages peaked in 1973. Today's teenagers are being offered a fraction of the buying power that Boomers were paid when they were teenagers.

Translation: Shut up, Boomer.

Blogger VD March 20, 2020 2:02 PM  

my dad always had a full crew because he paid better than minimum wage.

Imagine that.

Blogger Akulkis March 20, 2020 2:13 PM  

"How will the European nations respond to tens of millions of coofing Arab and Africans invaders? Will Mamma Merkel and the other boomer elites implore us to take these coofers into our homes on the threat of being called racist?"


Migrants Riot At German Refugee Camp, Display ISIS Flags Over COVID-19 Quarantine

Blogger Akulkis March 20, 2020 2:15 PM  

Being a slave was better than being a sharecropper.
Much better.

Blogger Uncle Maffoo March 20, 2020 2:16 PM  

Brett baker wrote:Too many parents consider manual labor beneath their children's dignity, and they pass that attitude on.

When I got laid off from where I was working back in 2014, my Gamma-Boomer dad flipped out at my non-committal idea about getting a part time job at a local burger joint. Even though they put a want ad in the paper, he actually wanted to argue with me about it not being worthwhile since it wasn't busy the one time he ate there.

Blogger SigSyndicate March 20, 2020 2:16 PM  

This hasn't stopped my fellow millennials from shilling for open borders and unfettered immigration, because "borders are just imaginary, man." "They're just looking for a better life, bro."

I feel bad for them, but they openly advocate for yet more radical versions of the policies that made things bad for them in the first place. In their minds, there exists an infinite pile of wealth hidden by all those dastardly billionaires, and once they get their hands on it, everything will be perfect.

Blogger Uncle Maffoo March 20, 2020 2:18 PM  

VD wrote:Also, Boomers need to keep in mind that real wages peaked in 1973. Today's teenagers are being offered a fraction of the buying power that Boomers were paid when they were teenagers.

Translation: Shut up, Boomer.


"Well, *I* managed to pay for tuition, rent, and a car payment on seven bucks an hour, what's your problem?"

Blogger Uncle Maffoo March 20, 2020 2:23 PM  

"Avalanche wrote:Work that, yes, Americans generally won't do -- and foreigners will."

Americans won't do the work for foreigner wages, especially when they have to pay back the loans for the degree without which they wouldn't "meet the qualifications" for those entry-level jobs.

Get a clue, boomer.

Blogger James Dixon March 20, 2020 2:28 PM  

> Slavery is a moral wrong sand needed to be ended. Imposing “equality” is wrong. The two should not be confounded.

Lifetime slavery with no way to earn your freedom is a moral wrong. Inherited slavery is a moral wrong. Indentured servitude for a limited time is probably not.

Blogger Uncle Maffoo March 20, 2020 2:35 PM  

Starboard wrote:I grew up in seed corn country, and detassling corn was a great way to make serious money in the summer. It was hard work, but our crews were filled with our friends and led by our high school teachers. They neede summer jobs too.

Now the detassling crews are mostly migrants because "teenagers won't do those jobs." I suspect that parents wouldn't let their 14-17 year olds work in fields with foreigners. I know I wouldn't. As the migrants rise, the teenagers fall.


You need to consider the opportunity cost that American teenagers and college students face now:

Spend the summer working a minimum wage job that might net 3 grand, which is barely a year's worth of spending money.

OR

Spend the summer in test-prep, pre-college classes, internships, etc., all of which are more impressive to admissions committees and job recruiters.

Blogger Tanner Stephens March 20, 2020 2:38 PM  

Peak globalism and diversity has shown how bad things are for the white working class. Western neo-liberalism thrives on diversity hires and outsourcing work to non-natives while the white working class hangs in the balance. The young Brits might as well seize the means of production when they arrive at those farms or have the owners approve of a new law which would be reverse affirmative action;Companies should now be required to have a certain number of white native employees.

Blogger Nihil Dicit March 20, 2020 2:44 PM  

mounting a large-scale recruitment campaign to encourage people who are in the UK and looking for work because of the current economic impact of the coronavirus to come and work on our farms.

It's going to have to be one hell of a campaign to overcome decades of selling such employment as "dirty work fit only for filthy foreigns", and of course, paying accordingly.

Work that, yes, Americans generally won't do -- and foreigners will.

Yes, and strawberries would cost $10 each if we didn't flood the fields with foreigners, because growing and picking fruit and veg is more time- and labor-intensive than refining gasoline.

Cruise lines don't employ Americans much either

And no American should wish to work for one. Just ask yourself how come all those ships are registered in lawless foreign shitholes and you'll know why.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 20, 2020 2:46 PM  

There is no such thing as "work Americans won't do."
It's in our genes. I remember reading a book a few years back. I don't recall the title, but the content was extracts of letters written by American immigrants who gave up and went back to Europe. One fellow in particular wrote "The money was good, but I could make more money if Germany if I were willing to work that hard for that many hours."

Americans are the most productive, most intelligent and hardest-working workforce in the world. That's a part of the reason America has dominated the world economy for 100 years.

But you have to pay them appropriately. If you're not willing to pay them appropriately, you wind up with Jose and Pajeet.

Blogger Crew March 20, 2020 2:51 PM  

They are definitely not sending us their best and most moral people!

Did a Chinese female Biogen staffer take her COVID-19 infection on a plane to Beijing without regard for all those others on the plane?

Blogger 1LLoyd March 20, 2020 2:54 PM  

That's why it's called work. And they pay you for it.

Blogger Matthew March 20, 2020 2:55 PM  

Zaklog the Great wrote:@Fkt Opposing slavery was right. Slavery is a moral wrong sand needed to be ended. Imposing “equality” is wrong. The two should not be confounded.

Slavery was basically privatized welfare.

Blogger Oswald March 20, 2020 2:58 PM  

I've already decided when they lock down the whole country, I am going to go out in my back yard and catch up on some work in the garden, that I have been trying to get too. I'm going to get my potatoes going, and I am thinking I am going to go heavy on beans this year, but that will have to wait until it gets warmer. Right now I can get some radishes, lettuce, spinach, and peas going. I will have tomatoes, cukes, squash, and maybe some melons later. I got plenty of garlic already in there from last year. Should be a good haul later this summer.

Blogger Duke Norfolk March 20, 2020 3:05 PM  

Ariadne Umbrella wrote:Cindy Crawford, super- model, detassled corn when she was in high school.

Hey, I did too! In Iowa, about 40 yrs ago. Alas, there were no Cindy Crawfords in those fields. A couple of cuties though.

Blogger Jonathan Bennett March 20, 2020 3:06 PM  

"If you ever wondered why all those lazy young people can't seem to find work these days, perhaps it's not due to their laziness or lack of a firm handshake, perhaps it's because 98 PERCENT OF THE ENTRY-LEVEL JOBS have gone to foreigners."

I'd guess the two issues feed each other. The lack of hard work leads to wimpier young people, and the wimpier young people leads to hiring foreigners. It will be interesting to watch how the new reality sorts things out. On the bright side, it's a correctable problem, and hunger is a great motivator.

Blogger Jack Amok March 20, 2020 3:13 PM  

Lifetime slavery with no way to earn your freedom is a moral wrong. Inherited slavery is a moral wrong. Indentured servitude for a limited time is probably not.

I disagree - regardless of any moral issues between servant and master, allowing any sort of slavery to undercut market wages is bad for civilization (see Xevious' comment about Rome, or see the H1B program which is today's equivalent of indentured servitude). The best case I could see for it is some sort of apprenticeship where an employer is going to train a new hire for free and expects some return afterwards, but even allowing that just gives crappy employers an even playing field with good ones who the trainee would actually want to stay at willingly.

Yes, and strawberries would cost $10 each if we didn't flood the fields with foreigners,

Would they? Or would a whole lot of profit just get cut out of the middle-men? Or changed context - if Schwinn bicycles weren't made in Corona-country, would they cost $10k for a kid's bike? Or would Wal-Mart not make quite as much money? All the outsourcing (to foreign countries and foreign workers) has been driven by corporations trying to increase their profits by using regulations and market position to squeeze their suppliers dry. If it wasn't for free trade and immigration, they couldn't do it, they'd be the ones going out of business.

Blogger urthshu March 20, 2020 3:17 PM  

Seeing anecdotal reports that a lot of illegals are going back to Mexico. Lost job in service industry from coronavirus, can't get unemployment, can't get Trump bucks because they never paid taxes and use phony SSN, and evicted because they can't pay rent.

Blogger Oswald March 20, 2020 3:18 PM  

Maybe we should blame the NBA and WNBA instead of the Chinese for this. They are as global as it gets. What say you Mr. Whiplash?

Blogger The Cooler March 20, 2020 3:19 PM  

Work that, yes, Americans generally won't do -- and foreigners will.

I was heavily invested in Florida's Green/Horticulture industry during it's levels-of-irrationality-that-shouldn't-be-possible heyday. This, of course, was the birthplace of the 'Hard(er) Working Latino' mythos. It was amazing: The combination of positive racism -- e.g. they're darker and can take the heat better -- coupled with 'Harder Working' nearly always actually meaning "will work for significantly less while we keep prices the same." This was the calculus.

It was horseshit then, it is horseshit now.

NOW the problem, however, is one Jack alludes to above: 'We' have trained our young to have reflexive aversions to actual work. This training began, I would argue, with my own generation, GenX, half of which is worthless.

No better way to get hard than to be tossed into the fray, I say. So in you go, young bucks. Sorry your Dad was a fag. The good news is, you don't have to be.

Blogger Brett baker March 20, 2020 3:28 PM  

The customers don't want to pay extra, either.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer March 20, 2020 3:28 PM  

Spend the summer working a minimum wage job that might net 3 grand, which is barely a year's worth of spending money.

OR

Spend the summer in test-prep, pre-college classes, internships, etc., all of which are more impressive to admissions committees and job recruiters.


Those are not the only choices, or wouldn't be if we weren't flooding the country with cheap foreign labor and letting idiots into college to pursue various grievance studies. A true choice would be:

a) Go to work to learn a well paying trade, either in a apprentice ship or trade school or combination of both
b) Go to college if you actually have the intellectual chops for it

Blogger Brett baker March 20, 2020 3:34 PM  

+1

Blogger Uncle Maffoo March 20, 2020 3:43 PM  

Ron Winkleheimer wrote:Those are not the only choices, or wouldn't be if we weren't flooding the country with cheap foreign labor and letting idiots into college to pursue various grievance studies.

Thanks boomers!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 20, 2020 3:44 PM  

Jonathan Bennett wrote:I'd guess the two issues feed each other. The lack of hard work leads to wimpier young people, and the wimpier young people leads to hiring foreigners.
You'd guess wrong. The hiring of foreigners came first.

Blogger eclecticme March 20, 2020 3:50 PM  

VD wrote:
Also, Boomers need to keep in mind that real wages peaked in 1973. Today's teenagers are being offered a fraction of the buying power that Boomers were paid when they were teenagers.

Translation: Shut up, Boomer.


It takes about 6 times as many min wage work hours to pay for a state university credit hour now compared to 1970.

Blogger Damelon Brinn March 20, 2020 3:57 PM  

Yes, and strawberries would cost $10 each

No they wouldn't. They just say that to scare consumers. I've done the math before so I'm not going to repeat it now, but the farm labor cost of most food is a small percentage of the whole once you add on land costs, fertilizer, pesticides, herbicides, transportation, storage, refrigeration, marketing, and various other overheads. You could double or triple farm wages and barely notice a difference on most prices in the store.

Blogger weka March 20, 2020 4:00 PM  

It's harvest time here. Shut the universities and slow the virus.

Hard work is good for young people

Blogger urthshu March 20, 2020 4:10 PM  

Hiring foreigners leads to wimpier young people, it's obvious. All for getting all those tough boomers out to the fields though. They can "get their back into their livin" like the song says.

Blogger Zander Stander March 20, 2020 4:19 PM  

Apparently Rex Tillerson picked cotton for summer holidays. Says so right in wikipedia. I think he might have owned people who picked cotton, so it is not entirely false. Cindy would have been too much of a distraction for the other workers.

Blogger Kiwi March 20, 2020 4:19 PM  

This is a very serious situation, if you care about your people that is, and one I have prepared for.

Blogger Jack Amok March 20, 2020 4:20 PM  

You'd guess wrong. The hiring of foreigners came first

I think he just meant the two reinforce each other, and I think history bears that out. We brought in a few foreigners first, and over two generations go to where we are today. From what Bramley said, the UK may have spiraled faster (and based on your comment about the German immigrant, maybe it's because we already stole so many of their harder-working genes).

The good news is, reversing the trend can be self-reinforcing too.

The customers don't want to pay extra, either.

Cruise ships. A guy did a breakdown of Royal Caribbean's financials from 2018 last year. Each passenger spent an average of $1,560 with them. Where did it go?

10.9% to "Depreciation and amortization", I assume this is the cost of building the ship. 7.5% to fuel, 5.7% to "onboard and other", 12% to "other operating expenses", 5.5% to food. "Commissions, transportation and other" is 15.1% and I'm going to be charitable and assume this is paying for booking agents and whatever local excursions are part of the cruise. So at this point, we're at 56.7% and we've paid for the ship, the fuel, the food, and all the general expenses and shore excursions. We still need to pay our crew, and you've figure that labor would be a big chunk of the remaining 43.3%, right?

Ha.

Payroll is 9.7%. Marketing is 13.7%. Profit is 19.1%

Profit is twice payroll. And marketing is - while an important function also a nice slush fund/boondoggle for execs. But even if marketing was fine, you could double wages for the crew and still make almost 10% profit.

Blogger eclecticme March 20, 2020 4:26 PM  

Yes, and strawberries would cost $10 each if we didn't flood the fields with foreigners,

If farm labor is 10% of retail food cost then doubling farm labor wages might increase retail food cost by 5%. Plug in your own numbers. The math is easy.

The thought experiment below applies more to foreigners staying and having kids than farm labor saving money and going home off season. The numbers are made up.

An employer has to fill a position. He has to pay $15 per hour to hire a local citizen. On average such a citizen is paid low and qualifies for some welfare and pays no income taxes because of the low pay.

The employer can instead import a foreigner and pay $14 per hour. The foreigner also receives welfare (medical care, welfare for anchor babies, education, govt services, etc.) and pays no income taxes. These welfare payments cost $10 per hour but are paid for by the taxpayers.

The employer hires the foreigner and externalizes the welfare cost. If the employer had to pay the extra $10 per hour he would hire the citizen. The business model depends on the taxpayer subsidizing the labor. Higher paid labor might warrant paying any welfare costs for the imported foriegner.





Blogger GrzyMcKneezy March 20, 2020 5:20 PM  

You do understand that the absolute youngest millennial is 23-24 right? With the oldest being in their thirties?

Did you pick fruit for a living in your thirties?

Blogger James Dixon March 20, 2020 5:35 PM  

> I disagree - regardless of any moral issues between servant and master, allowing any sort of slavery to undercut market wages is bad for civilization

Bad for civilization is not quite the same thing as morally wrong. That's a different argument completely.

Blogger Jack Amok March 20, 2020 5:37 PM  

The employer hires the foreigner and externalizes the welfare cost.

Yes, and in addition, if it's under the table work, the employer misses out on a whole bunch of other costs, like BoomerCare - I mean Social Security - overpriced state-run Worker's Comp insurance, and the bookkeeping overhead the tax code requires of them. Of course you could hire Americans under the table too, but someone here legally can turn you in without risking turning themselves in too.

All of it adds up to giving unscrupulous employers an advantage over decent ones.

Blogger Arthur Isaac March 20, 2020 5:41 PM  

I'd say March them off the beach, quarantine them and then draft them into a civilian conservation core. Boys and girls. Anyone seen in public flouting public health gets pressed into service. Then $h!t would start getting real for the YOLOs.

Blogger RC March 20, 2020 5:49 PM  

Removing all foreign labor would cause serious dislocations. Some products would dramatically increase in price. Food might rot in the field. I don't care and neither should you. It would be a small price to pay for saving our civilization.

Blogger LAZ March 20, 2020 5:53 PM  

"a) Go to work to learn a well paying trade, either in a apprentice ship or trade school or combination of both"

Around here you have to have a job in the industry to even think of certification in the pluming and electrical fields. You'll earn about minimum wage until you're certified. You also have mandatory classes every year. Funny how they're the only industries around here not taken over by foreigners.

"We brought in a few foreigners first..."

A few!? How about 150,000,000 in the last 60 years. That's half the population of this country.

Blogger Doktor Jeep March 20, 2020 5:59 PM  

Ah the 10 dollar strawberries trope.
Let see, factor in the illegals bringing in their kids, going on programs, the schools, using the hospitals as their family doctors. Tell me, how much do those strawberries cost after all that?
Boomernomics: using the future of your nation and children as currency to get everything as cheap as possible while you are still alive.
Gluttony appears to be more than just about food.

Blogger rikjames.313 March 20, 2020 6:14 PM  

In law the corporations sent all the 'contract compliance' jobs to india. They speak good enough English there that a few good US lawyers can classify contacts, the indians fill in tickler data for programs to keep the companies on track, and the US guys briefly check their work. It means a lot of formerly good jobs are gone.

The other good place for new noncriminal lawyers is discovery review. The indians tried to take that as well but their lack of actual training and ability caught them out pretty soon.

The bad news is that during the effort larger firms outsourced their okay paying with benefit jobs to okay paying no benefit contracting houses.

Blogger Jack Amok March 20, 2020 7:11 PM  

Bad for civilization is not quite the same thing as morally wrong. That's a different argument completely.

Between you and God, I'll leave that up to you. Between you and me, if we're trying to live in the same civilization, that's a different story.

A few!? How about 150,000,000 in the last 60 years. That's half the population of this country.

Did you forget to read the part about two generations later we got to where we are now? I'll admit to a typo, but FFS, I still think the idea is pretty clear. We didn't bring all of them in at once. You your own self said 60 years. That's the point - start with a few, and keep adding. The first few start the process of driving Americans out of the jobs by making them progressively less attractive. Every little drop in the real wage, every additional foreign coworker with foreign ways who wants to give your job to his cousin, every percentage uptick in the number of third world immigrants working the job, every one of those drives down the willingness of Americans to do the job.

Blogger wgmeisheid March 20, 2020 7:34 PM  

Doktor Jeep wrote:Ah the 10 dollar strawberries trope.

Let see, factor in the illegals bringing in their kids, going on programs, the schools, using the hospitals as their family doctors. Tell me, how much do those strawberries cost after all that?

Boomernomics: using the future of your nation and children as currency to get everything as cheap as possible while you are still alive.

Gluttony appears to be more than just about food.

Very accurate observance. So many selfish people...

Blogger Hunsdon March 20, 2020 7:39 PM  

Thank you for posting this.

Blogger Laconic March 20, 2020 8:14 PM  

Lol maniac probably a boomer. Btw I probs work harder than you :)

Blogger James Dixon March 20, 2020 8:15 PM  

> Between you and me, if we're trying to live in the same civilization, that's a different story.

Of course. But like I said, a different argument, and not one I'm trying to make or interested in making.

Blogger Crew March 20, 2020 8:25 PM  

@80: And here is the article on Zero Hedge:

The Economics Of Cruise Ships (& Why They Don't Deserve A Bailout)

Blogger Up from the pond March 20, 2020 9:40 PM  

This work should be automated. Still having the Nineteenth Century system of hiring darkie field hands for cheap is absurd.

Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira March 20, 2020 9:43 PM  

Finally.

My boomer parents harassed me as a teenager to get a job get a job get a job. When I explained to them that the teenager job market was completely dominated by middle-aged foreigners, I was called racist.

This was 20 years ago.

The only way I could get a decent job and a career started, was to join the military fresh out of high school and fight an unjust war in Afghanistan, which cost me dearly.

Feels good to see this thing finally turning around.

Blogger Jack Amok March 20, 2020 10:15 PM  

And here is the article on Zero Hedge:

The cruise ship industry is going to be begging for a bailout. They have about $60 Billion in new ships ordered that they aren't going to need.

Blogger Doktor Jeep March 20, 2020 10:38 PM  

I used to work for a company that was contracted for some radar system repair on cruise ships. I got to know some crew members.
Most of them are getting paid under 1000 dollars a month.

Blogger justaguy March 20, 2020 11:08 PM  

#74: Yes tuition went up dramatically since college and grad school became a way for middle class men to avoid Vietnam. Back then colleges were heavily subsidized by taxpayers (at least the state ones) and except for the ivies and a few weird classes, students were actually taught to think and analyze facts. Now states have other means tested programs to spend their funding on and colleges no longer teach students to think. Something changed drastically since 1970.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 20, 2020 11:17 PM  

The "Arbitrary rule" that keeps the cruise ships from going straight from Oahu to LA, is the rule that any trip between two American ports can only be made by a ship under a US flag, or one that meets all the requirements of a ship flying the US flag.
Companies flag their ships in Panama, Honduras, or Indonesia so that they don't have to follow US safety, staffing, food service or sanitation rules. That way theey can get away with working their staff for 16 hours a day for $3 an hour. They can get away with untrained and unqualified crew. They can get away with unsafe and unmaintained fire equipment.
If they can't bother to flag in the US, they are not our concern for bailouts.

Blogger Jack Amok March 21, 2020 2:20 AM  

The "Arbitrary rule" that keeps the cruise ships from going straight from Oahu to LA, is the rule that any trip between two American ports can only be made by a ship under a US flag, or one that meets all the requirements of a ship flying the US flag.

Hmmm. So, maybe we amend that rule to say a non-US flagged ship can't dock in a US port more than once every.... two weeks? Month? Or maybe, non-US flagged vessel can't discharge passengers it picked up from a US port?

Stupid lawyers who get elected to office, can't make rules that don't get cheat-coded. Vote for a game designer next election.

Blogger Pathfinderlight March 21, 2020 4:01 AM  

The biggest enemy of domestic employment has been the HR profession. Not only are they chronically incompetent at their main job of providing suitable employees, they actively discourage people from seeking holdover employment in different fields.

"Mr. James, your resume here says after you graduated with a degree in engineering, you went to pick apples for 5 years, could you explain why?"

"Why yes, my state suffered a severe economic downturn and couldn't find a job in manufacturing due to all the outsourced production, so I chose a job that would keep me physically fit and prove useful for the local business. I don't mind that it wasn't high paying. I even got mechanical experience by working on machinery in person."

"Thank you, Mr. James for showing us how you tracked yourself for mediocrity of menial labor. We will let you know when we have apple picker positions come available."

Blogger Avalanche March 21, 2020 8:17 AM  

Huh. Maybe we should quit talking about agricultural workers?

"Only 4 percent of illegal immigrants and 2 percent of all immigrants do farm work. Immigrants (legal and illegal) do make up a large share of agricultural workers — accounting for half or more of some types of farm laborers — but all agricultural workers together constitute less than 1 percent of the American work force....
only about one million people of any nativity work on farms in the United States, accounting for less than 1 percent of the entire civilian labor force of 160 million."

https://cis.org/Report/There-Are-No-Jobs-Americans-Wont-Do

Problem is: they keep referring to "native-born" without making clear if these are second-gen immigrants or not. Weasel words, spell-casting...

Blogger Dole March 21, 2020 9:27 AM  

- Wages will rise and the nationals will get valuable on the job experience.

- The prices will be cheaper as the tax cattle won't need to be burdened for all the services offered to non-nationals.

- The natives will be able to have children of their own rather than funding the children of non-nationals. Provided of course they also take other correct steps such as keeping young women in check.

The corona may turn out to be a force for good...

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 21, 2020 9:39 AM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:The "Arbitrary rule" that keeps the cruise ships from going straight from Oahu to LA, is the rule that any trip between two American ports can only be made by a ship under a US flag, or one that meets all the requirements of a ship flying the US flag.
Jones Act. It's the only reason we still have a very few US-built, US-crewed ships.

Blogger Sencom March 21, 2020 10:25 AM  

Working in IT. Can confirm. Anyone has the source for the 98% number? Might be a good read.

Blogger flyingtiger March 21, 2020 10:51 AM  

require HS and college students to work a month as a graduation requirement. The students would love this. You get to escape the PC classes and get paid to do a workout.

Blogger Silent Draco March 21, 2020 10:54 AM  

Pathfinderlight, thanks to Corona-chan the HR females are home with their 3.5 cats or 0.8 children. Executive orders 'for the emergency' can waive or eliminate a lot of what granted their power. When quarantine gets lifted, will anyone want them back? Will they notice the difference, except for having more office space and less drama?

Blogger Coyote Man March 21, 2020 2:26 PM  

@80

"10.9% to "Depreciation and amortization", I assume this is the cost of building the ship."

If I remember my Accounting 101 correctly, this is a way of figuring the decline in value of an asset and spreading that decline over time.

Blogger Jose Miguel March 21, 2020 6:14 PM  

@58 Snidely

Jose got tired of Pajeet management so he left for something that paid less.

Blogger Polemicist March 21, 2020 7:48 PM  

@103

That is a very good point, Pathfinderlight.

When the average person hears of employers bemoaning "skills shortages" they tend to think "Oh dear, Britain (or America or x country) isn't training enough dental nurses or electrical engineers. There may even be politicians who think the same.

However, an employer sees a skill shortage when he cannot recruit someone who is already doing the exact same job he wishes to fill. This even applies to the sort of positions that require only a relatively short period of on-the-job training.

Also, once immigrants get into hiring positions, no one should underestimate the lengths to which they will go to ensure that any jobs go to their own countrymen and women.

Blogger eclecticme March 22, 2020 5:52 PM  

@99. Doktor JeepMarch 20, 2020 10:38 PM
I used to work for a company that was contracted for some radar system repair on cruise ships. I got to know some crew members.
Most of them are getting paid under 1000 dollars a month.


I took a cruise long ago. I cannot remember the exact details. Toward the end of the cruise they tell you that your cabin boy and table servant are paid almost nothing. They live on the large tip you are expected to leave at the end of the cruise. You are asked to rate them. If they receive a negative review they are sent home.

I read that on the Diamond Princess around 80% of the passengers were not infected. Half of those infected showed no symptoms.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/03/16/diamond-princess-mysteries/

Is it true that no LNG ships are US flagged and therefore cannot ship US LNG to US ports? NY recently allowed LNG trucks to supply NY to overcome their idiotic anti NG pipeliine policies.

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