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Thursday, March 19, 2020

The more things change

The urban rich are beginning to discover why all the rich Romans maintained country estates to which they retreated during the summer plague months:
Wealthy families desperate to escape the coronavirus crisis in London are fleeing the infested city for the country - with some offering up to £50,000-a-month for a rural sanctuary.

British estate agents have been flooded with requests from the super-rich searching for mansions with bunkers, Cotswolds manor houses and uninhabited Caribbean islands to buy. And aristocrats, heiresses and society models are avoiding busy cities like London by staying at their gorgeous countryside homes - including the likes of Emma, Viscountess Weymouth and Lady Mary Charteris.

It comes as London faces plunging deeper into lockdown within days - and potentially with just 12 hours notice - amid fears the 'superspreader city' is driving the UK's Covid-19 crisis.
One thing the open borders and human equality crowds have never understood is that civilization is little more than the art of permitting large numbers of humans to live in close proximity without dying like flies. Import too many barbarians and it won't be long before that art is lost.

In fact, the modern human life expectancy has not significantly increased in two thousand years when compared with the average lifespan of a rural Roman who survived childhood.

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65 Comments:

Blogger RedJack March 19, 2020 10:15 AM  

I am a barbarian. The average urban population is at the end of a staggering supply chain that is three days from collapse at the best of times.

We are going to see this play out live.

Protect and support your family.
VFM Redjack in Occupied Midwest

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 19, 2020 10:19 AM  

Essentially every increase in longevity has come from sanitation, not from medicine. If you are a normal healthy person, modern medicine means nothing to you, but flush toilets keep us all alive.

If we had to keep modern sanitation but give up modern medicine, we would hardly notice the difference. When we import the Turd World, we give up modern sanitation AND modern medicine.

Blogger Longtime Lurker March 19, 2020 10:27 AM  

The Leftist Big City Climatista Crusade against suburbs and exurban areas is going to join the casualty list along with manufacturing vital goods in China, unrestricted immigration, lax border security, public support for the enforcement of Leftist taboo code (aka Political Correctness), and militant secularism.

If I've left anything off the target array, do let me know.

Blogger wgmeisheid March 19, 2020 10:30 AM  

Remove the medically obvious problems such as injury (today mitigated by advances in surgery and stopping infection) or serious infection by pathogens (small pox, cholera, typhoid, plague, etc.) which are naturally mitigated in the past by pastoral living, proper hygiene, a decent diet, the exorcise daily life required, and longer sleep due to limited illumination and you find almost no differences. Our body was designed to heal itself from most issues.

We may be better able to handle the gotchas now, but our natural lifespan has never been improved upon. God knew what he was doing and improving the design is an oxymoron of the first order.

Blogger Ska_Boss March 19, 2020 10:30 AM  

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Blogger MagnusStout March 19, 2020 10:32 AM  

History repeats itself....

Study of the history of Christianity reminds us that it conquered Rome precisely because our ancestors were bold and fearless: when the Plague worked its way through—and the Elites had abandoned all—Christians were the only ones ministering and caring for the sick & dying. Lesson in there.

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“Between 250 and 270 A.D. a terrible plague, believed to be measles or smallpox, devastated the Roman Empire. At the height of what came to be known as the Plague of Cyprian, after the bishop St. Cyprian who chronicled what was happening, 5,000 people died every day in Rome alone.”

https://www.christianpost.com/news/running-toward-the-plague-christians-and-ebola.html
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People are so fearful nowadays—death was far more common in the recent past. It’s a feminine instinct to be lead by fear and to subsume yourself to BigGov to fix all problems. It’s a masculine instinct to soberly face reality—however scary—and take rational measures.

Blogger rikjames.313 March 19, 2020 10:32 AM  

The police in Philly are not going to arrest for anything less than armed robbery. Unarmed, burglary, and auto theft are to go free.

Detroit are less explicit but will stop 'interacting' for 'less serious crimes'.

If you live in a vibrant area you are on your own. Good luck

Blogger Azimus March 19, 2020 10:42 AM  

I've sometimes broken civilization down to little more than a simple conversation:

"Don't steal my stuff when I'm not looking, and I won't steal yours, OK?"
"OK"

Blogger Azimus March 19, 2020 10:43 AM  

Funny that in the ancient/medieval/early modern world, the summer months would be the plague months, and now its the winter.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian March 19, 2020 11:04 AM  

- including the likes of Emma, Viscountess Weymouth and Lady Mary Charteris.

Had not heard of either of these two in my cloistered life.

Interesting. They give titles to the men of these women.

Blogger CJ March 19, 2020 11:20 AM  

#3 Longtime Lurker

If I've left anything off the target array, do let me know.

Mass transit, plastic bags, and individually-wrapped straws.

Blogger Dirtnapninja March 19, 2020 11:20 AM  

they should be forced to live with the diversity

Blogger Ledford Ledford March 19, 2020 11:29 AM  

OT:
Please include in prayers a nurse I know in Bergamo, Lombardy who contracted the virus and is now intubated. She had been on a ventilator and apparently got worse. Much appreciated.

Blogger Mile High Honey Bear March 19, 2020 11:30 AM  

I'm wondering, with all this talk of Summer plague months, if our SDL might include something similar in the Selenoth world for Amor. Wow, may we live in interesting times, indeed! Chinese curse, and all that. Anyway, Thank You Corona-Chan for giving our Supreme Dark Lord more free time to work toward completion of what is sure to be his masterpiece. It's my favorite fiction to read!

-VFM #0265 (Bear Extraordinaire)

Blogger Griffin the Grey March 19, 2020 11:34 AM  

the summer months would be the plague months, and now its the winter.

Winter is coming.

Blogger Ledford Ledford March 19, 2020 11:37 AM  

The country is good, but in the modern world avoid rich people's country hideaways. They travel a lot. Their breath is bad luck.

Blogger Lazarus March 19, 2020 11:43 AM  

Ska_Boss wrote:Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

And those who learn from history are doomed to watch others repeat it.

Blogger SouthRon March 19, 2020 11:45 AM  

Many of the founding fathers did the same to avoid malaria and other summer plagues in Philadelphia and New York.

Blogger Brett baker March 19, 2020 11:53 AM  

We drained the swamps. That took care of the summer diseases.
Still, best to say a quick prayer to Father Nurgle, that he take someone else as a sacrifice.

Blogger xevious2030 March 19, 2020 11:53 AM  

"the summer months would be the plague months"

Houseflies, open sewage, and how houseflies eat your food at the picnic table. And of course, mosquitoes. Reading Little House on the Prairie to my oldest, how they were down with malaria. New one on me. Civilization had gotten rid of that here.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 19, 2020 11:54 AM  

"Funny that in the ancient/medieval/early modern world, the summer months would be the plague months, and now its the winter."

Depends on where you are. It's a hot spring where I am....

"Essentially every increase in longevity has come from sanitation, not from medicine."

Yes. The people who wouldn't have lived before soon account for themselves by reproducing more people even less able to live now. Sanitation is the art of numbers in proximity without producing concomitantly more disease. Prevention instead of treatment, it just works better, because you can never regain via treatment quite all that you lose.

Another thing that destroys sanitation? Homosexuals. Michael E. Jones had something to say about that.

Blogger CM March 19, 2020 11:56 AM  

Funny that in the ancient/medieval/early modern world, the summer months would be the plague months, and now its the winter.

Is this why we have summer vacations? It seems to me agrarian societies would be opposite what we currently have.

Blogger Doktor Jeep March 19, 2020 12:01 PM  

Inb4 " country living is racist"

Blogger tdcommenter March 19, 2020 12:13 PM  

Downstate NYers brought infection to rural Greene County.

Blogger Jack Amok March 19, 2020 12:19 PM  

The "Urban enthusiasts" are already trying to spin this. Citylab (a prog site of astonishing lefty conformity) ran an article trying to claim suburbs were no safer than densely packed metros. It was laughable, but they're trying to keep morale up on their side, I guess.

If you are a normal healthy person, modern medicine means nothing to you...

A huge number of Corona-chan deaths in Western countries have been people with high blood pressure and/or diabetes. There's speculation that some of the more common meds used as "treatments" cause ACE2 receptors to be more vulnerable to the virus. It fits with a lot of evidence that medicating either of those conditions (along with high cholesterol) might not be as great an idea as Big Pharma wants us to believe. The drugs cause a lot of problems.

Blogger Jill March 19, 2020 12:50 PM  

This is correct. People don't understand average death rates, which are brought down by high infant mortality. People did not drop dead at age 35 or 40 in the Roman era. If they survived infancy, they could live to 75-80. Life has always been a series of hurdles to jump over.

Blogger Unknown March 19, 2020 12:52 PM  

Not true. Antibiotics and heart bypass surgery both extend life expectancy. Sanitation is a biggie too.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer March 19, 2020 12:52 PM  

why all the rich Romans maintained country estates

To be fair, Rome is absolutely miserable in August even without virulent diseases.

Blogger Scuzzaman March 19, 2020 12:55 PM  

Six degrees of separation from Kevin Bacon is one thing.

Six degrees of separation from tonight’s cholent is a whole other thing.

Blogger Roy Stalin March 19, 2020 1:00 PM  

What I find entertaining is the people excoriating the Spring Breakers for having fun on the beach while the Doomsday Plague is wreaking havoc across the planet. The gist of it is that while they might not end up with anything more than mild flu-like symptoms, they could transport it home and kill their grandparents or other elderly people in the community. In other words, young people must once again change their behavior for the sake of the boomers, which I think is bit of a lost cause considering that Gen Z has named the virus the Boomer Doomer.

Blogger Damelon Brinn March 19, 2020 1:27 PM  

My neighbors here in the country put their house up for sale a couple weeks ago. At first I thought it was bad timing, because no one would want to go visiting strange homes right now. But maybe I was wrong, and they'll get a bidding war going with people trying to escape the city.

@30, Yes, it'd be just terrible if college students had to skip their annual orgy to keep their grandparents alive. I'm no more fan of Boomers than anyone else here, but for fuck's sake, a little perspective.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants March 19, 2020 1:35 PM  

What kind of trade off of deaths caused by obesity, lack of exercise, suicide, violence, and the 238 Americans who die each day from opioid overdoses?

Blogger Yossarian March 19, 2020 1:46 PM  

wgmeisheid wrote:Our body was designed to heal itself from most issues.

Voltaire wasn't exactly wrong when he said: "The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient while nature cures the disease."

Blogger Nihil Dicit March 19, 2020 1:48 PM  

Funny that in the ancient/medieval/early modern world, the summer months would be the plague months, and now its the winter.

Because they had no DDT.


who survived childhood

Based simply on how math works, child mortality is always going to be the primary driver in decreases or increases in "average life expectancy". It's one of the glaring cases of widespread innumeracy that it's believed everyone used to drop dead at 40 before SCIENCE! saved us.

Blogger WillBound March 19, 2020 1:50 PM  

@10 Conan the Cimmerian. They're both fashion models. Viscountess Weymouth got her title because she's married to Viscount Weymouth who's the heir to the Marquess of Bath (owner of the huge tourist attraction Longleat House). Lady Mary Charteris has her title because her father's the Earl of Wemyss. Her husband Robbie Furze has no title.

Even these days the British Press slavishly fawns on anyone with a proper aristocratic title. On the other hand no one could care less about life peers, who belong to the "reformed" House of Lords, possibly the most ridiculous legislative body any country has managed to lumber itself with.

Blogger Doktor Jeep March 19, 2020 1:53 PM  

Well, the seniors of today, born between 1945 and 1965, didn't consider the youth in their decisions and actions. Hence the youth have not had consideration for others inculcated into them.
Some might call it cause and effect. From here it's looking like commeupence.
The downside to this urban flight is shitlibs contaminating the country with their votes.

Blogger Gregory the Tall March 19, 2020 2:04 PM  

I was in London about a year and a half ago. When I tried to enter the underground (a.k.a. the tube) at rush hour the train stood in the station for about 5 minutes in vain trying to close its doors as so many people tried to press themselves through the doors into the last bit of remaining space - with hundreds more waiting on the platform. I decided to walk, inhaled a hefty portion of smog, and left London wishing I will never have to return there. If they shut down the underground and the doubledecker buses there will be traffic jams all the way from Brighton to Cambridge. If they do not cancel public transport, there will be 20000 new infections per day.

Blogger WillBound March 19, 2020 2:11 PM  

James Delingpole has the answer:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/19/chloroquine-known-as-effective-against-coronavirus-since-2005/

Blogger Homesteader March 19, 2020 2:16 PM  

Having a homestead in times like these does offer a certain comfort.

My valley is only accessible by 2 small roads, which run along cliffs. 2 cars could block it all.

I know, or know of, most of my neighbors. No one steals while I'm gone.

We help each other, mostly.

I've enough land, water, and stores to provide for myself
and mine, in terms of any quarantine I might face.

I am fortunate, and know it.

That being said, I'm in the city right now.
(Bay Area.)
The fear is slowly creeping in.
They are awakening to their precariousness. I have a retreat.
They, do not.

In light of that, I supect many a truck garden will be planted hereabouts, very soon.
We just created millions of new preppers, with a concomitant change
in worldview. This will have
unexpected ramifications.

David the Good, forever.

Blogger Silly but True March 19, 2020 2:42 PM  

US life expectancy since 1900 has increased about 30 years, 7 years since 1950.

Of this, John Bunker in 2001 Journal of Epidemiology article “The Role of Medical Care in Contributing to Health Improvements Within Societies” credits increase in life expectancy of about 5 years since 1900 and 3 years since 1950 due to medical care.

Remaining 25 years since 1900 and 4 years since 1950 are nearly all due to improvebrs in sanitation.

Blogger Dyspeptic March 19, 2020 2:55 PM  

@2 "the Turd World"

This sums it up perfectly for me. I live in an urban west coast enclave which has been completely taken over by cow worshippers, ancestor worshippers and alleged Catholics who still worship Aztec demons and think witch doctors are Christian.

Blogger Homesteader March 19, 2020 3:56 PM  

But really- think of the restaurants!

Oh, wait..

Blogger Joe Smith March 19, 2020 4:30 PM  

@40 What happens to your numbers when you include abortion in the calculation?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 19, 2020 4:53 PM  

Silly but True wrote:Of this, John Bunker ... credits increase in life expectancy of about 5 years since 1900 and 3 years since 1950 due to medical care.
That's a year or two more than I would have guessed.

I expect that there are a few people who are saved by modern trauma medicine. Their lives are extended by life support that keeps them alive long enough to heal themselves. Other than that, we keep hearing that 90% of our medical expenses happen in the last six months of life. That suggests that actual life extension for the elderly and infirm is six agonizing-for-them-but-profitable-for-the-doctor months.

Modern trauma medicine plus milking Medicare must average out to five years extra longevity.

Blogger Akulkis March 19, 2020 5:00 PM  

Summer vacation was for kids to not be in school so that they could be working on the family farm. Even into the 1900s, over 98% of Americans lived on farm or in an agricultural tosn
Less than 2% were urban before 1920 or so.

Blogger Duke Norfolk March 19, 2020 5:00 PM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:Yes, it'd be just terrible if college students had to skip their annual orgy to keep their grandparents alive. I'm no more fan of Boomers than anyone else here, but for fuck's sake, a little perspective.

Yes, I am totally with you. But, alas, we are reaping what was sown. Only this coming Greater Depression is likely to change all that. And it is coming.

The people at large have no clue what's coming down the pike. Although those who have already lost jobs or seen their business drop off a cliff have the first inkling, I'm sure.

Blogger Akulkis March 19, 2020 5:08 PM  

"
When I tried to enter the underground (a.k.a. the tube) at rush hour the train stood in the station for about 5 minutes in vain trying to close its doors as so many people tried to press themselves through the doors into the last bit of remaining space"

You can take the Hindu out of India, but can't take India out of the Hindu.

Blogger Up from the pond March 19, 2020 8:00 PM  

The economy will be okay by Autumn. Pray the virus doesn't come back in a more virulent form then.

Blogger VFM #7634 March 19, 2020 8:01 PM  

The Leftist Big City Climatista Crusade against suburbs and exurban areas is going to join the casualty list along with manufacturing vital goods in China, unrestricted immigration, lax border security, public support for the enforcement of Leftist taboo code (aka Political Correctness), and militant secularism.

If I've left anything off the target array, do let me know.


I've always wondered how open borders, producing all your crap in China, and admitting millions of poor immigrants every year was consistent with reducing carbon emissions.

The only thing that makes sense is the leftist ur-rule: "whatever's bad for civilization is good".

Blogger John Rockwell March 19, 2020 8:42 PM  

@Silly but True

Wonder if the medical care especially of those who should long be dead kept on machines is worth it. Personally I think not.

Sanitation,nutrition has done the lions share of improvement in health.

Blogger John Rockwell March 19, 2020 8:45 PM  

@xevious2030

I for one support the dream drive. I want them mozzies annilated from this earth.

Blogger John Rockwell March 19, 2020 8:46 PM  

@xevious2030

Gene drive I mean.

Blogger John Rockwell March 19, 2020 8:52 PM  

@Willbound

A far cry from classic military elite that aristocracy ussd to be.

Blogger Dire Badger March 19, 2020 9:29 PM  

The last great medicine invention was Penicillin, invented by turks sticking bread between their saddle and their horse and eating the resultant mess to stave off infections.

Since then the only 'improvement' was sulfa drugs. Everything else, in both trauma medicine and long term care, was just variations on improved hygiene.

I have vastly more respect for a nutritionist or sports therapist than I do for even the most accomplished 'doctor', and even the nuts that run GNC and whole foods store know more about how the human body actually works than the vast majority of harvard medical grads.

All doctors really know is what you look like inside after you are dead.

Blogger Silly but True March 19, 2020 9:31 PM  

They asked my father and grandfather to go to war. Now we’re asking our sons and daughters to make the ultimate sacrifice and stay home on their couch:

They’re doing God’s work to save all mankind:
https://www.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/pkew4g/gamestop-instructs-employees-ignore-law-enforcement-not-shut-down-coronavirus

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( what do you get if you make a honey bear Gen Sec of China? Winnie the Flu ) March 20, 2020 12:10 AM  

54. Dire Badger March 19, 2020 9:29 PM
Everything else, in both trauma medicine and long term care, was just variations on improved hygiene.



eh, i think mayhap someone who has had a limb amputation re-attached might beg to differ with you.

Blogger Bibliotheca Servare March 20, 2020 12:47 AM  

@Dire Badger

Not life support, respirators, defibrillators, the ultrasound, incubators for preemies, or anything else that has been developed since penicillin? The only thing "hygiene" related on that list was the incubators.

Doctors can be bad, or good, and I've had lots of experience with the former. But the good ones are worth their weight in gold. Modern medicine isn't nearly as scientific as they like to claim, it's a lot closer to witch doctors than particle physics, but it's better than you indicate here.

And I'd sooner impale and burn the guy running a whole foods store (almost guaranteed to be a child-murder supporting minion of Satan) than take medical advice from him. And as for nutritionists? They gave us the food pyramid. They can burn too.

Blogger John Rockwell March 20, 2020 3:36 AM  

Bibliotheca Servare wrote:@Dire Badger

Not life support, respirators, defibrillators, the ultrasound, incubators for preemies, or anything else that has been developed since penicillin? The only thing "hygiene" related on that list was the incubators.

too.


The question is if they function just as crutches the dependency of which will end up degrading health in the long term over generations or do they permanently enhance human health.

I look forward to CRISPR to fix up hereditary issues and prevent it from being passed on.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 20, 2020 5:50 AM  

"eh, i think mayhap someone who has had a limb amputation re-attached might beg to differ with you."

Even in the extremely rare case where the severing was clean enough to make that a possibility, likely not much consequence on general life expectancy. Quality, sure, duration, usually not so much.

Much more can be said for the advent of EMT teams in fast ambulances on smooth roads, mostly doing the same things that have been done by battlefield surgeons for hundreds of years, just with better antibiotics and shinier tools.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 20, 2020 6:04 AM  

"Not life support, respirators, defibrillators, the ultrasound, incubators for preemies, or anything else that has been developed since penicillin?"

We've already been over infant mortality being the primary driver of increased life expectancy, so there goes your ultrasound and incubators.

For defib, how often do you think that was needed before people used electricity? Almost never.

Anything that would have needed respirators or life support was almost certainly killing you anyway without antibiotics, other than concussions which are still pretty hit or miss with the ones people survive via life support being rare indeed.

Impact of everything non-infant mortality or antibiotic on general life expectancy? Low single digit percent.

Blogger Homesteader March 20, 2020 9:10 AM  

Clean water (Dr. Snow at Broad Street) Clean food (Harvey Wiley) Clean surgery ( Dr. Lister, American Civil War)
Clean Birth (Dr. Ignaz Semmelweis) Antibiotics, (Penicillin, Alexander Fleming), and the vaccination principle (Dr.Edward Jenner).

Hygiene, immunity, antibiotics, and, now, antivirals.

Everything else is detail, for the most part.

Blogger OneWingedShark March 20, 2020 11:13 AM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Essentially every increase in longevity has come from sanitation, not from medicine. If you are a normal healthy person, modern medicine means nothing to you, but flush toilets keep us all alive.

If we had to keep modern sanitation but give up modern medicine, we would hardly notice the difference. When we import the Turd World, we give up modern sanitation AND modern medicine.

Perhaps that's why the Congress has been so hell-bent on importing people from India.

Homesteader wrote:But really- think of the restaurants!

Oh, wait…

Actually, this is going to be one of the sadder casualties: the mom-and-pop/local restaurants will die off.
It's things like this that make me wish the idiots in DC would simply say Screw off! You get nothing. to the big corporations asking for handouts.

Blogger VD March 20, 2020 11:37 AM  

Not life support, respirators, defibrillators, the ultrasound, incubators for preemies, or anything else that has been developed since penicillin?

No. Those operate at the margins and make little difference to the statistical averages. Factor in abortion and life expectancies have fallen since 1973 along with wages.

Blogger John Bosch March 20, 2020 12:01 PM  

I'm in a similar (if not the same) situation. Ironically it was the Chinese that started and enforced their own quarantines after bringing it here escaping China.

The restaurants have been dead quiet or closed weeks before things got serious here. Time for them to use those under-the-table wage savings.

Blogger Bibliotheca Servare March 21, 2020 2:47 PM  

Um, I guess cause I'm on mobile it wasn't clear, but I wasn't saying those things increased life expectancy in any meaningful way, I was responding to Dire Badger's statement that

"The last great medicine invention was Penicillin, invented by turks sticking bread between their saddle and their horse and eating the resultant mess to stave off infections...”

because I disagreed with it.

The things I listed were examples of great medical advances since the invention of penicillin, regardless of how great an effect they had on average life expectancy.

I'm not sure how to insert quotes like I've seen others do in the comments, so I just put "@Dire Badger" at the top.

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