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Wednesday, March 25, 2020

The TrumpCure worketh

And apparently, the TrumpCure works even better if a megadose of Vitamin C is added for a TrumpCure+:
A physician in New York state claims he has used the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine and zinc to treat 350 patients for COVID-19 with 100 percent success.

In a video posted on YouTube, Dr. Vladimir Zelenko said he saw the symptom of shortness of breath resolved within four to six hours, the Gateway Pundit blog reported.

Zelenko, addressing his message to President Trump, said he's a board-certified family practioner in the community of Kiryas Joel in Orange County, New York, in the Hudson Valley, about 50 miles north of New York City.
The bad guys must know the TrumpCure knocks out Corona-chan, because they're trying very hard to shut it down and prevent the infected from being saved by it. These people are not only sick, they actively promote disease and death.

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Blogger Krymneth March 25, 2020 1:27 PM  

Not only is this another one of those little things that makes me think there's a Cabal of some sort, this is another one of those little things that makes me think its internal communication lines are now heavily compromised, because even an elementary political analysis of the sort a State Governor should either be able to do on his own, or have an advisor on hand that could work this out, would show this is a terrible no-win political move for this governor.

It's obviously wildly insufficient to keep it from being tested. It's obvious that while the media may be able to whip up a lot of hysteria and inject a lot of falsehood into the discourse, that compared to the true fear that someone getting told they need a ventilator but there won't be one available for at least 48 hours, or they could try this treatment, that hysteria will count for nothing. Would we be calling this the "TrumpCure" if they hadn't chosen to politicize this, and perform the miraculous rhetorical trick of making it look like Trump personally cured the plague?

I mean, it's just all kinds of stupid, and I'm talking independent of the evil. It's stupid. There's no win for them in this scenario. Blithering idiocy.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 March 25, 2020 1:28 PM  

First came Obamacare.

Now comes the TrumpCure!

Blogger TheMaleRei March 25, 2020 1:28 PM  

This is a Death Cult. Plain and simple.

Blogger Jeroth March 25, 2020 1:30 PM  

Even outside of Nevada, there will be technocratic, double blind study worshiping, TDS suffering, lunatic doctors out there who will refuse this treatment simply to own Drumpf.

We really need to start publicly jailing and executing people. Swiftly. And we can start with this governor. The idea some are peddling that Trump is going to do it all in secret, with the public never being the wiser, kinda defeats the whole deterrent effect of punishment.

Blogger Joe Katzman March 25, 2020 1:30 PM  

(((Kiryas Joel)))

Satmar Hasidic sect... which I really wonder about, but good job doc.

Not surprised he has so many cases, strongly suspect prayer has trumped social distancing there.

Blogger Matrick March 25, 2020 1:42 PM  

I had to pop to the pharmacy earlier and I asked about chloraquine, expecting them to be sold out. They had it for £45. Of course the pharmacist told me it wouldn't work for CV.

Blogger Manuel March 25, 2020 1:48 PM  

Nevada be like "no way we let orange bad man take credit!!"

Blogger Damelon Brinn March 25, 2020 1:54 PM  

They'd rather see people die than see President Trump get credit for anything. Sick indeed. Americans are recognizing it, too. The more they obstruct, the more his approval rating climbs.

Blogger Crew March 25, 2020 1:57 PM  

@6: It's not CoronaVirus, it's the Chinese Coronavirus Pandemic = CCP!

Blogger Bucephalus March 25, 2020 2:01 PM  

How long until the Covid-19 virus becomes ARDS?

Blogger Jeff March 25, 2020 2:08 PM  

On another subject, I read that Newt Gingrich is trapped in Italy. Can he stay at your house?

Blogger Jeff aka Orville March 25, 2020 2:08 PM  

Yeah, where does a career politician, who never held an honest job, get off telling Nevadans what meds they can and cannot take.

Nevada’s governor has signed an emergency order barring the use of anti-malaria drugs for someone who has the coronavirus.

I hope Corona-chan visits his house.

Blogger Aeroschmidt March 25, 2020 2:13 PM  

Hydroxychloroquine is a zinc ionophore. There are other compounds which do the same action. Perhaps those would work where the government wants you to die. Quercetin.

Blogger Stilicho March 25, 2020 2:14 PM  

Correct on all points

Blogger Azimus March 25, 2020 2:15 PM  

In the article no reason was given for banning the malaria drug, do we know why the Democrat shit lord of Nevada banned it?

Blogger MortemTyrannus March 25, 2020 2:23 PM  

The cabal purposely released a bioweapon to crash the US economy to prevent Donald Trump from being reelected. As a result, their god is appeased by mass murdering millions of people.

Blogger Bellomy March 25, 2020 2:24 PM  

The actions of the democrats to this prayed for miracle are almost too revolting to believe.

Blogger Doktor Jeep March 25, 2020 2:26 PM  

The drug companies are mad they can't combine this into one pill and charge 1000 bucks a sub for it.
This level of evil has to st....oh there's Jared Kushner in the photo with the President. I won't hold my breath.

Blogger Barbarossa March 25, 2020 2:29 PM  

Yeah, where does a career politician, who never held an honest job, get off telling Nevadans what meds they can and cannot take.

Ha, no kidding. Whatever happened to "My body, my choice"? Oh, that's right. Choices for them, not for us.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 25, 2020 2:35 PM  

Azimus wrote:In the article no reason was given for banning the malaria drug, do we know why the Democrat shit lord of Nevada banned it?
From here, it looks like because Orange Man Bad. By the way, it's Dem shit head, not Dem shit lord.

Blogger Manuel March 25, 2020 2:41 PM  

re: Satmar hasidism "Satmar opposes all forms of modern Zionism, and financially supports Jews in the Holy Land who reject financial dependence upon on the State of Israel, and who do not vote in Israeli elections."
https://infogalactic.com/info/Satmar_(Hasidic_dynasty)
So they got that going for them.

Blogger Homesteader March 25, 2020 2:47 PM  



I know a physician who has been utilizing I.V. Vitamin C treatments for his flu patients; he states their symptoms resolve within 24 hours of one office treatment.

Look up the work of Dr. John Myers, and the Myers cocktail.

We are rediscovering old methods
that were efficacious, but unprofitable.

Blogger tdcommenter March 25, 2020 2:47 PM  

@15 spooked by media account and allies.

Blogger Hoyabembe March 25, 2020 3:02 PM  

Zinc has worked for me against colds in the past when I take the lozenges at the scratchy throat phase. Instead of 2 weeks I'm over it in days, when it works.

Blogger Akulkis March 25, 2020 3:13 PM  

@1

"It's stupid. There's no win for them in this scenario. Blithering idiocy."

Looking at the photo of the governor, he's giving Biden a run for the money in cluelessness WITHOUT suffering from Alzheimers or dementia. And Biden was never a sharp knife in the drawer to begin with.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer March 25, 2020 3:15 PM  

In the article no reason was given for banning the malaria drug, do we know why the Democrat shit lord of Nevada banned it?

The excuse is that the drug needs to be reserved for treating the diseases its approved for. The reason is that the dem gov is a blithering idiot suffering from advanced TDS.

Blogger urthshu March 25, 2020 3:16 PM  

NY gov Cuomo has banned it's use. Executive Order 202.10 specifically prohibits using it for COVID and from refilling prescription beyond 14 days. Additionally he uses "FDA approved" as the bar for allowing it, not CDC recommendation or anything else.

Blogger Akulkis March 25, 2020 3:16 PM  

"In the article no reason was given for banning the malaria drug, do we know why the Democrat shit lord of Nevada banned it?"

1) It works
2) Democrats ABHOR Americans.

Blogger Brett baker March 25, 2020 3:18 PM  

Lawyers are working on that as we post, I bet.

Blogger urthshu March 25, 2020 3:19 PM  

We are currently allowing remsdivir which is new, less well-tested, and has even less evidence of effectiveness for COVID but has the advantage of being more expensive.

I'm assuming Cuomo has stock in Gilead or has been paid handsomely.

Blogger Jack Amok March 25, 2020 3:22 PM  

that were efficacious, but unprofitable.

For some people, the being profitable is the only thing that counts for being efficacious.

Blogger Akulkis March 25, 2020 3:23 PM  

@10

"How long until the Covid-19 virus becomes 'Chinese AIDS'?"

There you go, now it reads correctly.

Blogger Akulkis March 25, 2020 3:25 PM  

@15

"In the article no reason was given for banning the malaria drug, do we know why the Democrat shit lord of Nevada banned it?"

How long is it going to take you to see that the Democrats worship DEATH?

Blogger awildgoose March 25, 2020 3:26 PM  

Bellomy wrote:The actions of the democrats to this prayed for miracle are almost too revolting to believe.

Right? Hasn't the hatestream media spent the last two days ranting and raving about the guy who drank the fishtank cleaner?

I like their new scare pics of empty makeshift tents outside NY Bellevue hospital.

Homesteader wrote:

We are rediscovering old methods

that were efficacious, but unprofitable.



The un-profitability is a system critical failure for Big Pharma.

The woke capitalists running Big Pharma certainly aren't going to pass up the chance to make billions on a newly patented drug while working to prevent Trump's re-election.

Blogger Akulkis March 25, 2020 3:26 PM  

"The actions of the democrats to this prayed for miracle are almost too revolting to believe."

That's a strange way to spell 'totally predictable."

Blogger Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi March 25, 2020 3:29 PM  

Crew wrote:It's not CoronaVirus, it's the Chinese Coronavirus Pandemic = CCP!

Its the diXIse.

Blogger The Cooler March 25, 2020 3:30 PM  

Sisolak said in a statement that there’s no consensus among experts or Nevada doctors that the drugs can treat people with COVID-19

If one looks at what hydroxychloroquine and zinc do, they make perfect sense as concomitant treatments for Covid-19.

Of all of the shortcomings of the middling intellect, the most irritating is arguably that it lacks the equipment to understand that neither logical deduction nor induction require placebo-controlled, double blind studies to predict real-world outcomes with a great deal of accuracy, especially when factoring in instances of almost certain death absent actual application of said deductions and/or inductions.

Alas, midwits must first consult The Oracles; who must, themselves, consult the gods.

Blogger Stilicho March 25, 2020 3:37 PM  

Because Trump endorsed it

Blogger sammibandit March 25, 2020 3:41 PM  

God bless you Dr Zelenko, your 350 patients, and that stellar salt-and-pepper beard.

Blogger Tom d March 25, 2020 3:42 PM  

There was a recent story about a couple in Arizona that allegedly drank fish tank cleaner that contains the TrumpCure chemical in high doses and were subsequently hospitalized. The MSM immediate narrative was to blame Trump for his press conference statements. The linked article doesn't cite the couple or any other reason for the AZ ban - but now I'm skeptical that such a couple actual existed.

Blogger Johnny March 25, 2020 3:49 PM  

What drives this are three things. TDS in the political class. Professionals who don't want to admit to taking into consideration the outcomes of non professionals. And the FDA doing its best to keep the cost of drugs high by having an approval process that only allows for expensive drugs. If you can't sell the thing at a high price, the cost getting their approval is many times too expensive.

Good thing we got the big guy to kick them in the butt, or they would be letting millions of people die to avoid them being inconvenienced. Plus sending the economy into a tailspin.

Blogger Silent Draco March 25, 2020 4:00 PM  

TRUMPCURE WORKS
Trans-women and (((minorities))) affected most

Blogger Tanjil Bren March 25, 2020 4:00 PM  

"Nevada’s Governor Steve Sisolak (D) on Tuesday issued an emergency order barring the use of anti-malaria drugs such as chloroquine for Coronavirus patients."

We certainly have some insane leftist politicians in Aus', but I'm not sure even they're stupid enough to do something quite so nuts as this.
(Then again, Pelosi just saw fit to put the political version of a sawn-off in her mouth and gaily pulled the triggers, so I guess all bets are off.)

Blogger D Zniger March 25, 2020 4:06 PM  

In German media they are mentioning that the reason Spain and Italy have so high numbers is of the resistance to antibiotica, which is supposedly in Germany only 0,6% and in Italy as high as 24%. Also they mention that the hygiene in the italian hospitals is disastrous. They apparently have every year some 20.000 deaths of people who broke their leg, went to the hospital and got a antibiotica resistant super bug and went out dead. These numbers are for Germany around 2000 and in the Netherlands almost nonexistent.

Blogger Avalanche March 25, 2020 4:13 PM  

@9 " it's the Chinese Coronavirus Pandemic = CCP!"

Problem with CCP is -- unless you're an insider to the joke -- it means *nothing*. Bad rhetoric.
Chinese Flu is midway.
Chinese Pandemic would best serve! Good rhetoric.

Blogger Avalanche March 25, 2020 4:15 PM  

@15 "In the article no reason was given for banning the malaria drug, do we know why the Democrat shit lord of Nevada banned it?"

Prolly cause of that idiot dead couple who took fish tank cleaner!!

Blogger Argus Bacchus March 25, 2020 4:19 PM  

Nevada ain't what it used to be.

Who knew that electing Gov. Sissywacked and Senator Wacky Chosen (Jacky Rosen) would be a bad move?

Anyone who isn't a complete moron or a leftist (but I repeat myself),that's who.

Blogger Jack Amok March 25, 2020 4:26 PM  

NY gov Cuomo has banned it's use

So much for the "draft Cuomo" movement.

Blogger Avalanche March 25, 2020 4:28 PM  

*Liposomal Encapsulated C (LEC) Absorption Facts*
1,000 mg (1 g) vitamin C tablet or capsule: Absorption 20% = 200 mg into blood

1,000 mg Liposomal Vitamin C (1 TBL LEC): Absorption 80% + = 800+ mg into blood stream

In other words, 1 g of LEC is equal to 4+ g worth of regular vitamin C pills.

*Vitamin C Facts*
LEC is even more effective than ascorbic acid injections for absorption into cells.

There is no toxic dose of vitamin C.

Both FDA and Health Canada recommend 60 mg of vitamin C per day, which is about the content of 1 orange. Of that 60 MG, you will absorb 12 MG (20%) and the rest will be destroyed by stomach acid. With one tablespoon of LEC, you absorb about 422 mg.

Since high oral doses of vitamin C can cause digestive problems, note that LE is an efficient and safe way to take high doses of vitamin C.

Blogger Weak March 25, 2020 4:29 PM  

If this was an engineered virus, as appears likely, the reason for the ban is that they are abashed that it can be cured so easily. They thought they had a devastating bioweapon with no vaccine that couldn't be stopped. Nope! Turns out easily synthesized generic meds cure it. Oops.

So the last redoubt is to simply ban the cures.

Blogger Leahn Novash March 25, 2020 4:33 PM  

He's willing to sacrifice his political capital and maybe career to move on with the plan.

Blogger Akulkis March 25, 2020 4:37 PM  

The end result of this:

The FDA is going to be wrecked, as their role in IMPEDING medical progress is now on full display.

The CDC has also been exposed as feckless -- The reserves of N95 and P100 masks were substantially depleted in 2009/10 during the minor N1H1 outbreak and Obama's functionaries NEVER REPLACED THEM.
Trump is getting flack for not being *clairvoyant* to realized that Obama's CDC officials in charge of emergency stores were/are criminally negligent -- why should we replace the masks when we can let the same money be spent giving full-ride welfare to able-bodied layabouts?

Blogger Kordl March 25, 2020 4:38 PM  

Hallelujah thank you God

Blogger Leahn Novash March 25, 2020 4:39 PM  

The reason was given. "Not proven to work."

Blogger Gregory the Tall March 25, 2020 4:41 PM  

The Trump-Cure (at least the hydroxychloroquine part of it) is being included in a European research project:
https://www.france24.com/en/20200324-chloroquine-can-work-some-insist-as-debate-on-using-anti-malaria-drug-against-coronavirus-rages

The WHO also goes ahead with this drug:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/who-launches-global-megatrial-four-most-promising-coronavirus-treatments

Blogger George March 25, 2020 4:42 PM  

Can you imagine how angry the Chinese people will be at their leadership if the "Trump Cure" really works? Two months of imprisonment and their economy shattered for something the West figured out fairly quickly.

Blogger Robert Browning March 25, 2020 4:42 PM  

You want to know why the Trump cure must be shot down? The Trump cure cost pennies a dose. There is no way to profit.

Blogger Leahn Novash March 25, 2020 4:43 PM  

I solve my flu with C Vitamin hyperdosing. 1g every hour until your body can't take it anymore. It's usually gone in a day.

Blogger Macs March 25, 2020 4:43 PM  

They are counting on having a critical mass of people with TDS going to the polls. Honestly I've heard some takes from people not totally braindead that were really shocking. "This pandemic proves we need socialized medicine." Really? The CDC is proving itself to be a gaggle of inept liars who throw so much red-tape around we can't even churn out some respirators on the fly and you want MORE bureacracy!?!

Blogger tuberman March 25, 2020 4:46 PM  

I've been following this Malaria Drug and extras for several days now. It's amusing how the DIMs are self-destructing again with these bans. They will lose even more rank-and-file supporters over this. Stupid get stupider.

Blogger Macs March 25, 2020 4:46 PM  

I don't know, but my guess would be it's a generic drug with low profit margins. They hate those!

Blogger urthshu March 25, 2020 4:51 PM  

No that's the PenceCure

Blogger crescent wrench March 25, 2020 4:51 PM  

@45

I'm still going with "Kung Flu"
It has all the stickiness of Chinese Pandemic but with the added benefit of causing triggered opposition to involuntarily amplify it and adding some levity in daily briefings to buoy public mood.

Blogger Yossarian March 25, 2020 4:51 PM  

Now I'm wondering if they've accurately diagnosed the COVID-19 as the cause of the pandemic. The world-wide COVID-19 craze might have masked an underlying pathogen that's the true cause of the high mortality rate.

The 2 forms of the illness can be explained by the presence of the hidden pathogen (severe) or the lack of it (mild = just the flu, bro).

The use of certain medication causing a more severe infection might be another indication of using the correct treatment for the wrong disease.

Using the wrong treatment and yielding positive results indicates the alleged cause of the illness is wrong.

Researchers freaking out at the mutation rates of the COVID-19 might be just looking at a basic mutation pattern of the common flu, which nobody bothered to study in depth because it's just the flu.

The cure for gastric ulcers used to be surgery until someone figured out it's a bacterial infection. Now the cure is just and anti-body course. This medical example is also used in the movie "Contagion" which a lot of conspiracy enthusiasts have pointed out the parallels between its story and the current pandemic.

Blogger urthshu March 25, 2020 5:03 PM  

It's not in the news. It's in a lot of medical charts. Patients are asking for it and being denied on that basis.

Blogger Raker_T March 25, 2020 5:05 PM  

>>>>pLandemic

Blogger Newscaper312 March 25, 2020 5:05 PM  

I guess "My body, my choice" was always BS too.

Blogger Tanjil Bren March 25, 2020 5:10 PM  

"Prolly cause of that idiot dead couple who took fish tank cleaner!!"

AC thinks that whole thing has an odor.

Blogger Bobiojimbo March 25, 2020 5:26 PM  

They are the plaguebearers of Nurgle.

Blogger Azimus March 25, 2020 5:47 PM  

Sorry - slipped there. Did not mean to insult the shit lords.

Blogger Azimus March 25, 2020 5:50 PM  

@ Newscaper312 - now THAT is an excellent piece of rhetoric!

Blogger Akulkis March 25, 2020 5:53 PM  

"Can you imagine how angry the Chinese people will be at their leadership if the "Trump Cure" really works? Two months of imprisonment and their economy shattered for something the West figured out fairly quickly."

There's a reason the Chinese steal western tech, and it has NOTHING to do with cost savings.

Over dozens of centuries, Chinese leaders have executed anybody who shows dissatisfaction with the status quo:

This eliminates:
1) Genes that lead to a proclivity for doing research
2) Creativity
3) Critical thinking with regards to the safe vs unsafe use of technology.

In this case, #1 is the primary factor.

And the funny thing is, the initial experiments on various treatment regimens was coming out of neighboring SE Asian countries (Vietnam, Thailand, etc.).

If the Chinese monkey doesn't see someone doing it, he doesn't have anybody to copy from.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume March 25, 2020 5:54 PM  

I can't find any reference for Cuomo banning the TrumpCure. Anyone have a link?

Blogger Akulkis March 25, 2020 5:57 PM  

"I guess "My body, my choice" was always BS too."

Of course -- the aborted baby never has a choice as to what's done to it's body!

Blogger Frank Lee March 25, 2020 6:01 PM  

First thing I thought when I heard about the virus was the anti-malaria drug. I'd used it traveling before with no ill effects. Always seemed likely there was an existing drug that would at least help in most cases. This wasn't the Andromeda Strain.

Yep, they might be suppressing it just to screw with Trump. But money is always a bigger motivator. Possibly big Pharma is working on an expensive patented "cure" that they want to make a bundle on, particularly if the government pays for it. Screwing Trump is just a bonus.

Blogger jarheadljh March 25, 2020 6:18 PM  

So, gin&tonic w/citrus then? I guess we can suffer. Might have to suffer 3-4 times a day.

Blogger mike March 25, 2020 6:39 PM  

So a sample of 350 is almost 385 that's required for "scientific" 95% of confidence for population of 350mln, just saying

Blogger Lazarus March 25, 2020 6:42 PM  

The cure for gastric ulcers used to be surgery until someone figured out it's a bacterial infection.

Traditional Chinese practitioners always treated it as such.

Blogger Lazarus March 25, 2020 6:44 PM  

George wrote:Can you imagine how angry the Chinese people will be at their leadership if the "Trump Cure" really works? Two months of imprisonment and their economy shattered for something the West figured out fairly quickly.

One of the papers the dr. in the story used was Chinese.

Blogger Reader March 25, 2020 6:44 PM  

I want to see this heinous biological attack on the world investigated with Nuremberg-like trials and the guilty executed. See Bill Gates, Rothchilds, etc, etc. But this is simply a fantastical notion with zero chance of becoming reality. The most evil criminals are protected by the Prince of this world, so long as they are useful to him, and will never see true justice in this realm.

But this pandemic of evil will bring many closer to God.

Blogger Damelon Brinn March 25, 2020 6:47 PM  

AC thinks that whole thing has an odor.

It stinks to high heaven. Trump suggests a possible cure, the Democrats and media say he's nuts, and some guy offs himself trying to self-medicate with it. Mighty convenient.

But that doesn't justify banning it altogether anyway. No one was saying people should track down their own and have a cocktail; the idea is that doctors should consider it for patients fighting the virus. Telling doctors they can't use it is just insane. Especially since other countries will use it and we'll see the benefits. I'm guessing they'll back off after a few days and claim they were just trying to counter Trump's "irresponsible behavior."

Blogger Laramie Hirsch March 25, 2020 6:52 PM  

Doctors Are Hoarding Unproven Coronavirus Medicine by Writing Prescriptions for Themselves and Their Families

https://www.propublica.org/article/doctors-are-hoarding-unproven-coronavirus-medicine-by-writing-prescriptions-for-themselves-and-their-families

Blogger Out of Nod March 25, 2020 6:53 PM  

The Nevada governor's wife is Chinese. They've been married since 2018. I wonder where this governor stands in relation to Pompeo's list of governors who are beholden to China?

Blogger Richard March 25, 2020 7:03 PM  

When I was a kid, a rancher explained to me how they branded horses: They first tie a rope garrote around the horses (very sensitive) nose and then tighten it (causing significant pain) such that the horse wouldn’t move (every movement would increase the pain in its nose). They would then apply the red-hot brand to the horse’s flank. Because the pain in the nose was so much greater, the horse would not buck/kick when the branding iron was applied. I wonder if this paradigm is an applicable to this pandemic scare (i.e., distract the attention of the public away from what they REALLY wish to accomplish--e.g., further reduction of civil liberties, bail out the banks, wipe out the value of people’s savings in stocks/bonds & etc./market manipulation)? I understand this was a technique used by Henry Flagler (founding partner of Standard Oil Company with Rockefeller) in accomplishing his business goals he later had in Florida.

Blogger lowercaseb March 25, 2020 7:10 PM  

Needless to say, It's time to start megadosing with Gin and Tonics.

Blogger Newscaper312 March 25, 2020 7:11 PM  

In the last hour I've been admitted to a hospital here in Mobile.
What I thought was bad constipation is some sort of bowel obstruction. No suspicion of CoViD.
I wore my own mask to doctor, then into hospital. Fortunately direct admit so no loiter in the ER.
Funny/sad thing my mask 3M particulate/surgical is better than any of the ones worn by the general purpose staff at either location. Still had my stash from the swine or bird flu scare several years back

Blogger Newscaper312 March 25, 2020 7:11 PM  

Great timing.

Blogger Geoarrge March 25, 2020 7:12 PM  

A somewhat more, but not completely charitable explanation is that the NY government suddenly realized that any upstate peasant could get a prescription for these meds while the Important People haven't yet gotten their 6 months of prophylactic doses squared away.

Blogger Hieroglyph March 25, 2020 7:14 PM  

"Dear Voter,

I want you to die, and am actively promoting policies which will help kill you. Orange Man Bad. Vote for me. Plz check out my website if you wish to donate.

Regards,
Team Democrat Commie Pedo."


I'm not sure what's more disturbing. The relentless TDS, or the fact that millions will read this pitch, and still vote for them. Personally, I keep hearing the distant whirr of helicopters ...

Blogger Hammerli 280 March 25, 2020 7:19 PM  

There should be some serious questions asked of the FDA and CDC when this is all over. And perhaps new leadership.

One thing I'm noting is that the medical community is obsessed with conventional controlled drug trials. In the first place, this is an emergency. And in the second, have none of these twerps heard of Parametric Analysis? We have methods to pull out data curves involving multiple parameters, given enough data points.

Blogger AbnEng March 25, 2020 8:05 PM  

The Democrat - Trump show reminds me of the Coyote - Roadrunner show we had over on the Berenstein timeline. Did you guys have it too? I wonder if this is how things looked while Cyrus the Great built the Persian Empire? Even though he may not have been a believer (definitely wasn't in the beginning) God totally helping him every step of the way, and whatever his enemies did just turned into their faceplant.

Blogger David F March 25, 2020 8:20 PM  

Yossarian, a similar idea has occured to me, but with the 'other disease' being an earlier strain of COVID-19. I recall seeing an L vs S strain discussion about 3-4 weeks ago, and little since.

In general (as I understand it), species-jump diseases like this tend to mutate to become more infectious but less lethal over time, as that increase the rate of spread (dead people don't spread it, after all).

It seems plausible that part of the problem in Italy is that it got a big dose of the early Wuhan Flu direct from the source. I'd love to see genetic comparisons of the Lombardy strain vs newer outbreaks in the US.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 25, 2020 8:26 PM  

"Now I'm wondering if they've accurately diagnosed the COVID-19 as the cause of the pandemic. The world-wide COVID-19 craze might have masked an underlying pathogen that's the true cause of the high mortality rate."

Very close to the biowarfare primer-and-agent hypothesis.

Blogger MaskettaMan March 25, 2020 8:40 PM  

Once again, the right shows why it fails at getting rhetorical blows to stick. Trump named it China Virus, therefore it's China Virus or NOTHING. All these names being thrown around will only diffuse the purity of the original idea and won't stick.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 25, 2020 8:46 PM  

"Telling doctors they can't use it is just insane."

Particularly since people can just self-apply it by drinking fishtank cleaner, apparently, if they're dumb enough or paid enough.

Blogger pyrrhus March 25, 2020 9:00 PM  

@79. The Chinese were using chloroquine in heavy doses of 2 500mg pills per day, no doubt relying on the paper showing very increased penetration of zinc ions into the cell...

Blogger Auriga March 25, 2020 9:44 PM  

Aeroschmidt wrote:Hydroxychloroquine is a zinc ionophore. There are other compounds which do the same action. Perhaps those would work where the government wants you to die. Quercetin.

A better zinc ionophore than quercetin is epigallocatechin-gallate (EGCG), a polyphenol extracted from green tea, according to:
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Zinc-ionophore-activity-of-quercetin-and-from-Hepa-Dabbagh-Bazarbachi-Clergeaud/9f28bfa5ebf0466f697cb9c820220366fc149c0f

Unfortunately, they don't have a recommended dose for humans. Green tea drinkers get around 200 mg/day, a dose of 800 mg/day increases serum transaminases:
https://efsa.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.2903/j.efsa.2018.5239

so the EGCG dose should not be higher than 700 mg/day. Quercetin supplements typically provide 500 mg/day. The recommended dose is between 500 and 2,500 mg/day:
https://www.vitamedica.com/product-category/surgery-recovery/quercetin-supplements/

Zinc acetate lozenges are better against colds than zinc gluconate/gluconium lozenges, but the difference is small and if you can't get zinc acetate, zinc gluconate is good enough:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/05/170503110808.htm

Overall, to get some of the effects of hydroxychloroquine using non prescription products, take zinc acetate lozenges if you can get them, and zinc gluconate/gluconium lozenges (like Cold-EEze) if you can't. I think it's better to take zinc lozenges rather than capsules, because the lozenges will provide a large amount of zinc in your throat. Then take a high dose of EGCG (700 mg/day), along with a high dose of quercetin (2,500 mg/day). Because these are high doses of EGCG and quercetin, look up the side effects, and if you get some or feel worse, reduce the dose. Only use zinc lozenges, along with high dose EGCG and quercetin for the duration of the coronavirus, do not use high doses of these products as a preventative, use common sense.

Blogger tuberman March 25, 2020 9:47 PM  

"Now I'm wondering if they've accurately diagnosed the COVID-19 as the cause of the pandemic. The world-wide COVID-19 craze might have masked an underlying pathogen that's the true cause of the high mortality rate."

Nonsense, COVID-19 is just one of a number of Corona viruses, and they know how they kill, Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS). CV-19 is just more virulent, and hits the lungs harder then the others, but the killing action is the same. Many doctors do not even know how to use respirators on these viruses, and end up hurting the patient worse.

"Using the wrong treatment and yielding positive results indicates the alleged cause of the illness is wrong."

Many drugs are not specific.

It's not the "wrong treatment," it's just A Treatment. This Malaria treatment is also a strong arthritis treatment, which was likely uncovered after the fact of it's Malaria treatment. It is a powerful anti-inflammatory, and it enhances the absorption of Zinc into tissue, and zinc is strong defense against pneumonia . Although ARDs isn't pneumonia, it shouldn't be a surprise that enhanced zinc absorption helps here as well.

Go with Occam's Razor not convoluted Robert Ludlum fictions.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants March 25, 2020 9:57 PM  

This story is HILARIOUS to me. Kiryas Joel is the Hasidic Israeli settlements in NY where they live packed in like sardines and they came in and took over the entire town and have now spread to several more.
They are still having weddings, bris, sitting Shiva, the works, no isolation, and it has spread like wild fire. They are also the ones responsible for the huge measles outbreaks last year and the fight with Cuomo over their refusal to vaccinate.
These people, sheeeeesh.

Blogger Canada78Bear March 25, 2020 11:02 PM  

Scott Adams (Dilbert) went off on this and told his viewers to go-to Dr.'s now and get it. Provided script and talking points to get the prescription. Episode 871, lots of swearing and treating into the Dems.
Even he is starting to see what is going on.

Blogger Nihil Dicit March 25, 2020 11:06 PM  

The excuse is that the drug needs to be reserved for treating the diseases its approved for.

Well, that makes sense, given the endemic scourge that malaria is in Nevada, indeed the entire US of A.

Blogger Jack Ward March 25, 2020 11:44 PM  

Link below to pro/semi-pro RX site that talks about Plaquenil [hydroxychloroquine]
If after reading this you don't want a doc to help you with it, you are insane.
Convinced my to only use if things get rough.

https://www.rxlist.com/plaquenil-drug.htm#indications

Blogger Jack Amok March 26, 2020 1:02 AM  


Well, that makes sense, given the endemic scourge that malaria is in Nevada, indeed the entire US of A.


Well, left untreated, I understand malaria makes your skin turn yellow and your vote turn OrangeMan. So, clearly that's the bigger danger at this moment.

Blogger weka March 26, 2020 1:36 AM  

Mark Thomas at Auckland is going an RCT involving chloroquine right now.

Of course he's a like and it won't count to the USA who don't believe other countries do research.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( according to the 13th Amendment, Slavery is neither Cruel nor Unusual: MSAGA ) March 26, 2020 1:39 AM  

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko

there's just no end to Russian attempts to influence US elections in favor of Donald Drumpf.



44. D Zniger March 25, 2020 4:06 PM
They apparently have every year some 20.000 deaths of people who broke their leg, went to the hospital and got a antibiotica resistant super bug and went out dead.


due to her RCC fetish, Barnhardt keeps up with a lot of Italian news.

she claims that the wops are testing fresh corpses for COVID, and assigning cause of death to Corona-chan if it comes back positive.

even if the patient was already in ICU with 2+ major co-morbidities.

https://www.barnhardt.biz/2020/03/24/wait-just-a-damn-minute-italian-figures-are-with-not-from-coronacold-19/

i particularly like the guy in PA falling down and knocking his head on a table being attributed to Corona-chan.

this is Michael Mann levels of research and data fraud.

Blogger Yossarian March 26, 2020 1:46 AM  

tuberman wrote:Many doctors do not even know how to use respirators on these viruses, and end up hurting the patient worse.

The whole job of an anesthesiologist revolves around helping the patient breathe.

tuberman wrote:It's not the "wrong treatment," it's just A Treatment. This Malaria treatment is also a strong arthritis treatment, which was likely uncovered after the fact of it's Malaria treatment. It is a powerful anti-inflammatory, and it enhances the absorption of Zinc into tissue, and zinc is strong defense against pneumonia .

So how come this anti-inflamatory treatment works whereas other anti-inflamatory treatments do damage?
Pneumonia can be caused by a whole variety of pathogens including viruses. Zinc has been shown to be efficacious against pneumonia in the past. Coronavirus pneumonia represents a tiny fraction (very tiny) of all the pneumonia cases prior to COVID-19, therefore the effects of Zinc against pneumonia is an argument for the presence of a different pathogen. In other words: no studies have been done on the efficacy of Zinc against coronavirus pneumonia specifically whereas there are plenty of studies showing Zinc to be efficacious against bacterial pneumonia (vast majority of cases) and other viruses lumped as a whole (of which coronaviruses represents a small fraction).

Blogger Tanjil Bren March 26, 2020 2:25 AM  

I'm finding these scare stories about hydroxychloroquine spectacularly tedious.

Exhibit A:

"Paracetamol poisoning, also known as acetaminophen poisoning, is caused by excessive use of the medication paracetamol. Most people have few or non-specific symptoms in the first 24 hours following overdose. These include feeling tired, abdominal pain, or nausea. This is typically followed by a couple of days without any symptoms, after which yellowish skin, blood clotting problems, and confusion occurs as a result of liver failure."

Paracetamol, otherwise known (in the USA) as Tylenol, Excedrin, Calpol, and Panadol.

Yep, it can kill you if you take too much...*painfully*.

Seriously. Don't play the leftist media's game.

Blogger Kiwi March 26, 2020 4:23 AM  

@ 104 Weka.

I don't understand what you mean about the US won't listen to other countries research? The University of Auckland, where Mark Thomas is an associate professor, has many partnerships with America. With a degree from UOA you can even apply for a special visa to go to America specifically to do research.

Blogger Nihil Dicit March 26, 2020 4:29 AM  

@107- https://twitter.com/ZbraPntedDonky/status/1241558376049328128?s=20

Blogger Lazarus March 26, 2020 4:44 AM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:It stinks to high heaven. Trump suggests a possible cure, the Democrats and media say he's nuts, and some guy offs himself trying to self-medicate with it. Mighty convenient.



There is no way to know if that guy ever even existed. The whole story could be fiction.

Blogger Scuzzaman March 26, 2020 5:05 AM  

Whatever happened to Muh Bod, Muh Choice!?

Blogger Kiwi March 26, 2020 5:06 AM  

@ 100. Canada78Bear

I just watched that. He has similar concerns as myself, around the time frame of tests and limited data on ventilator numbers. However, he was more emotional than I'd ever seen him before. I thought he was going to cry when he talked about the ventilators. Emotionally charged people concern me because it clouds judgment. I thought his words about the government were a tad on the reckless side. Fueled by emotion maybe.

However, he's right about how he suggested to talk to the Dr. If you know enough about a drug and can logically provide a reason for them to prescribe it legally, then they will. An honest one anyway.

Blogger Scuzzaman March 26, 2020 5:12 AM  

The most evil criminals are protected by the Prince of this world, so long as they are useful to him, and will never see true justice in this realm.

They will all die alone and afraid.

We will all die, but we will not be afraid.

There is some justice in this world that cannot be escaped because it is inherent in the design of life.

Blogger wreckage March 26, 2020 5:49 AM  

I think it's a bit surprising that people are saying "Bbubububut it's a MALARIA drug", when any farmer can tell you about off-label usage and indeed, off-label usage with formal approval from the relevant authorities.
There's no such thing as "a malaria drug". There is a chemical, which, when ingested at a range of rates, has many effects, which include one or more that, in turn, either relive the symptoms or shorten the observed infection time of malaria. In some cases we don't even know why it does that, only that it does, and many chemicals become "the drug for X" entirely by accident.

Blogger tdcommenter March 26, 2020 7:39 AM  

@114 Farmers have a wider range of hands on experience and therefore can more accurately disgusted risks from that experience and word of mouth than many urban and suburban dwellers.

Blogger Avalanche March 26, 2020 8:19 AM  

@90 "these twerps heard of Parametric Analysis? We have methods to pull out data curves involving multiple parameters, given enough data points."

No, of course not -- they don't understand the math of controlled trials, much less anything more involved! That's why they hire statisticians to torture their "results" to find ANY little-bitty thing that the hired guy says is significant, so they can publish something!

"Falsifiable hypothesis before experimenting? We don't need no stinkin' falsifiable hypothesis! Gimme that data -- *I* will make it confess!"

Blogger Avalanche March 26, 2020 8:33 AM  

@105 "i particularly like the guy in PA falling down and knocking his head on a table being attributed to Corona-chan."

Hold up a sec... if this KungFlu/Chinese flu does have the neurological effects some reports describe and there are folks collapsing on the streets/in front of classrooms who are not doing so because of some *unattributable* lack of oxygen (and wouldn't THAT have been awfully noticeable BEFORE the O2 levels got so low as to cause passing out?); then it's entirely possible a guy passing out FROM COVID-19 could hit his head and die -- and it was legitimately a death from Corona-chan. No?

Blogger Avalanche March 26, 2020 8:41 AM  

@114 "I think it's a bit surprising that people are saying "Bbubububut it's a MALARIA drug""

*MPAI* applies a gazillion-times-over about anything medical or physiological or curative. People rarely want to investigate and self-educate about even their own ailments... just get the doc give them a pill; any pill, regardless of the non-desired "effects" that drug has.

ALL drugs have "effects": we just benefit from and thus use some of those effects on some diseases. Cost-benefit weighting: do the good/desired effects outweigh the bad effects? Docs usually won't go over the trade-offs -- and most people don't give a d@mn but blindly and willingly follow the docs orders without any research on their own.

Yer on yer own, son!

Blogger pdwalker March 26, 2020 10:01 AM  

plandemic. nicely worded.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( according to the 13th Amendment, Slavery is neither Cruel nor Unusual: MSAGA ) March 26, 2020 10:49 AM  

117. Avalanche March 26, 2020 8:33 AM
then it's entirely possible a guy passing out FROM COVID-19 could hit his head and die -- and it was legitimately a death from Corona-chan. No?



Dialectically, yes, you can probably construct a hypothesis in which Corona starts chain which eventually leads to *fall / clonk / ded*.

Rhetorically, why are you helping them? "sudden, unexpected unconsciousness" is not listed among the official COVID symptoms.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/symptoms-testing/symptoms.html

further, as you note, hypoxia has some rather obvious signs. you shouldn't have been walking around if your lips are blue.

Blogger braq March 26, 2020 11:06 AM  

#73, here's a Twitter link regarding Cuomo prohibiting docs from writing scrips for hydroxy/chloroquine in NY

And here's the actual executive order, 202.10

>No pharmacist shall dispense hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine except when written as prescribed for an FDA-approved indication; or as part of a state approved clinical trial related to COVID-19 for a patient who has tested positive for COVID-19, with such test result documented as part of the prescription. No other experimental or prophylactic use shall be permitted, and any permitted prescription is limited to one fourteen day prescription with no refills.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( according to the 13th Amendment, Slavery is neither Cruel nor Unusual: MSAGA ) March 26, 2020 11:21 AM  

more succinctly:
it's the difference between PRIMARY and CONTRIBUTING.

if i'm a 600lb, bed ridden 60 year old with hypertension, kidney failure and Stage 3 cancer ... and i get kissed by Corona-chan ... did i really die BECAUSE OF Corona?

no. i was in the process of dying already and i probably had <6 months no matter how you look at it.

similarly, the man in question died BECAUSE OF a head injury.

you know, like how old people fall down go boom all time. it's kind of what they do.

Corona might have been a CONTRIBUTING factor. then again, given how many people have little to no symptoms, perhaps not.

assigning him as a death CAUSED BY Corona is just flat out malpractice.

Blogger Akulkis March 26, 2020 12:17 PM  

". And in the second, have none of these twerps heard of Parametric Analysis? We have methods to pull out data curves involving multiple parameters, given enough data points."

The only math most doctors understand is enough algebra to figure out if Medication A is in an X% dilution, how much is needed to give the proper mg/kg dosage.

Blogger Bearable Pain March 26, 2020 1:50 PM  

A patient cured is a patient lost..

Blogger rotekz March 26, 2020 4:06 PM  

YouTube took down the video of Dr Zelenko. Also, Fauci has 100 Million conflict of interest involving Bill Gates and the push for a vaccine. They are rushing it through and desperate not to have Hydroxychloroquine ruin plans to drug the goyim cattle with mRNA concoctions.
https://nationalfile.com/amp/president-trump-vs-bill-gates-on-treatment-fauci-has-a-100-million-conflict-of-interest/

Blogger weka March 26, 2020 4:14 PM  

@Kiwi. I know Mark Thomas and I'm part of one of the expert groups at the NZ science media centre. I've been in the press lately.

Any more and I'll out myself.

There are combination trials happening now. Since effect size is big, numbers needed is low.

Note.. I am not a respiratory physician. Also note... All my degrees are from UoA, and include a MPH.

Blogger MrNiceguy March 26, 2020 10:12 PM  

I'm a big fan of Wu Ping Cough.

Blogger Emmanuel March 27, 2020 4:42 AM  

https://asiatimes.com/2020/03/why-france-is-hiding-a-cheap-and-tested-virus-cure/

Blogger RMH in StL March 27, 2020 5:19 AM  

"I wore my own mask to doctor, then into hospital."

I own a construction/Home Maintenance company and have always carried a supply of N95 masks on hand. We use them in certain situations such as mold remediation work in contaminated homes. A doctor we work for called me to ask if we had any since he and his whole team have been forced to use the really weak and crappy masks. I gave him what I could, leaving myself four, one for each of those in my household. Some ass in Illinois apparently bought up tons of these things having rightly predicted the panic that was to come. Then he was trying to sell them at $15 a piece on the internet. He got busted.

Blogger Damelon Brinn March 27, 2020 8:45 AM  

It's interesting that some rando could predict the mask shortage, but it doesn't seem that the CDC or any of our government officials had the foresight to take inventory, see the Chinese buying them all up, and kick production into high gear two months ago.

Blogger Akulkis March 27, 2020 2:12 PM  

Government bureaucrats aren't hired for competence -- they are hired for diversity pokemon points and political connections.

The Civil Service exam was outlawed decades ago.

Blogger Megamerc March 28, 2020 5:15 PM  

Pure speculation on my part, but assuming this disease is a tool used by the bad guys, then going outside into the sunlight is probably detrimental or even deadly to the virus, the same way you might hang your contaminated clothes in the sun to sterilize and sanitize them. Perhaps social distancing is not only a means of shutting down the economy but also a means of spreading the illness at a faster rate?

My own research indicates the virus is spreading at almost twice the rate currently in the U.S. than it was prior to March 3rd. Social distancing wasn't adopted in the U.S. until March 16th, so we should be seeing its effects very very soon, if any.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 29, 2020 10:36 AM  

Megamerc wrote:My own research indicates the virus is spreading at almost twice the rate currently in the U.S. than it was prior to March 3rd. Social distancing wasn't adopted in the U.S. until March 16th, so we should be seeing its effects very very soon, if any.
The infection rate stats are probably actually testing rate stats. To guess at past infaction rates, it's probably best to take today's deaths and multiply them by some arbitrary guess like 100 and call the result the number infected two weeks back. Deaths are the closest thing we have to an accurate number.

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