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Wednesday, April 08, 2020

Blown cover as cover

Ellen Degeneres "jokes" about being in jail at home:
Ellen has been slammed for being tone deaf after cracking a joke that being home all the time during the coronavirus pandemic was akin to being behind bars.

'This is like being in jail,' Ellen told her fans during Monday's show as she sat in a spacious living room with windows opening onto a large plant-filled yard. 'Mostly because I’ve been wearing the same clothes for 10 days and everyone in here is gay,' she quipped.
An interesting little quip given the rumors about The Storm. And for those who don't understand why the confirmed guilty aren't simply being rounded up and charged, read The Trial of Roger Stone. There is no point in arresting those who will never be charged by corrupt prosecutors, and if charged, will be released by corrupt judges.

We can't possibly know what's actually happening now, but we can observe that at least some potentially related arrests are continuing to take place despite the lockdowns.
An Urbana teacher and cross country coach is now facing child pornography charges. Douglas O. Mynatt, 56 of Savoy, was arrested Friday, April 3. Mynatt is employed as a physical education teacher at Urbana's University High School and is the coach of the girls' cross country program.

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72 Comments:

Blogger Quicksilver April 08, 2020 5:23 AM  

so what is the endgame for the guilty?

Blogger Shield up sword swinging pipes blasting April 08, 2020 5:31 AM  

Ellen Degenerate was raised a Christian Scientist. Talk about a backwards converged Church filled with the spirit of the Antichrist. I should know cause I was raised a C Scientist too.

Blogger VD April 08, 2020 5:52 AM  

The endgame is generally believed to be related to Executive Order 13825 of March 1, 2018, 2018 Amendments to the Manual for Courts-Martial, United States.

Blogger Brett baker April 08, 2020 6:25 AM  

Well, Ellen has lost her vibrant fans.

Blogger Nihil Dicit April 08, 2020 6:51 AM  

If she had said "everyone in here is a rapist", it would have been far more accurate.

On both counts.

Blogger basementhomebrewer April 08, 2020 6:55 AM  

Well, Ellen has lost her vibrant fans.

Indeed, not sure she had many to begin with being an open homo though.

Blogger Gregory the Tall April 08, 2020 7:48 AM  

What about this one:
"U.S. appeals court hands win to Trump plan to resume federal executions"
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN21P2LN?

Blogger Timmy3 April 08, 2020 7:51 AM  

But slamming Ellen for an obvious joke is still ridiculous despite the real world implications that the rich, famous, and powerful won’t will be arrested unless they are Republicans. Maybe the SJWs won’t let get them away with the crime of bad thinking. You’re cancelled and arrested.

Blogger CM April 08, 2020 8:01 AM  

But slamming Ellen for an obvious joke is still ridiculous despite the real world implications that the rich, famous, and powerful won’t will be arrested unless they are Republicans. Maybe the SJWs won’t let get them away with the crime of bad thinking. You’re cancelled and arrested.

Comedy is about playing to your audience. Given the SJW trend in the people who <3 Ellen, she really shouldn't have expected less and it was a poorly landed joke.

Blogger szook April 08, 2020 8:11 AM  

Psweet Psaint Physiognomy that Illinois HS running coach you sighted about looks like Spielberg in the close up photo I pulled up from their local news paper website.....yeesh.

Blogger Knight of Logos April 08, 2020 9:06 AM  

Edge of Wonder made a video talking about some of the weird behavior of celebrities recently, if anybody is interested:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdDYAzKJmew

I have been Q-hopeful but skeptical. That being said, recent events have been making me more hopeful.

Blogger Yossarian April 08, 2020 9:14 AM  

Timmy3 wrote:despite the real world implications that the rich, famous, and powerful won’t will be arrested unless they are Republicans

The presupposition here is that justice = getting arrested.

Blogger Unknown April 08, 2020 9:19 AM  

Well, her popularity based on "I'm gay. You HAVE to like me with a slavering devotion or else you're homophobic " is fading, as she has served her purpose. Now the mindless sheep on Twitter can slam her as well.

Blogger Hoyabembe April 08, 2020 9:22 AM  

All of these repulsive celebrities with their ridiculous ocd are going to end up like dumb versions of late stage Howard Hughes.

Blogger Dan in Georgia April 08, 2020 9:26 AM  

We haven’t seen Hillary in public in a while. Now, if she were to run out of adrenochrome, what we would be her life expectancy? Are we seeing Joe Biden without it? Is this why he’s deteriorating so rapidly?

Blogger Rick April 08, 2020 9:49 AM  

It’s nice to see everyone’s favorite friend Ellen and her brand being devalued among the normies — similar to the Oh-prah.
Will Ellen have to very soon denounce other rumors spread, but thoroughly debunked, by those dangerous Qanons?

Blogger Crew April 08, 2020 10:14 AM  

Did the GE pick the Chinese Coronavirus Pandemic as the perfect excuse to start the Storm?

This is the third report I have seen that suggests deaths are actually down:

What? Total U.S. Deaths DOWN 10% In March From Prior Years, Further Raising Question Of COVID Impact

The other two are:

https://www.euromomo.eu/index.html

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/covid-19-saving-lives

It sure would be interesting to know the death rate of corrupt judges.

Blogger Mustang Mike April 08, 2020 10:25 AM  

Every time I hear about some former celebrity, singer, or football player die of Corona... I wonder if they really did or was it just a cover for an execution?

Blogger TiredPoorHungry April 08, 2020 10:38 AM  

@8 timmy3.
BUTT slamming Ellen? Learn to spell.

Blogger Some Guy April 08, 2020 10:41 AM  

Do you think there is any credence to her being under house arrest? We have the pictures with what looks like a tracker on her leg.

Blogger TiredPoorHungry April 08, 2020 10:55 AM  

Here in Illinois we have a rich tradition of PE teachers/Speaker of the House and community activist/Presidents. Solution lock Doug Mynatt up at Ellens' house.

Blogger Unknown April 08, 2020 11:08 AM  

Just as long as your not the one being executed for what maybe a fed hit job on people they dont like. Innocent til proven guilty. Just cause they say ch!ld p0rz0grapfy does not mean they are guilty, but if you hear those words you assume they are guilty.

Blogger Watchu talkin bout Willis April 08, 2020 11:43 AM  

The one nice thing about this stay-at-home business is that they will know where to pick up these scumbags when the time comes.

Blogger Crew April 08, 2020 12:07 PM  

@23: Not really:

Illinois Mayor Calls on Police to Crack Down on "Stay-at-Home" Violators - Then 48 Hours Later They Catch His Wife at a Bar

Blogger Silly but True April 08, 2020 12:32 PM  

If you look at history of federal executions — few and far between — the appeal ruling is step in right direction, but let’s not expect Bureau of Prisons to be needing to set aside part of Grand Canyon to receive all of the new federal executed that’s going to start flowing.

The ruling will cover about three people, who also all still have other active appeals. They’re the worst of the worst, with one having assisted to suffocate family of three including eight year old girl, and even in that case, the girl’s survivors, the victims’ case State prosecutor, and the victim’s case State presiding judge have all cone out against the guy’s death sentence.

US federal level might get back into execution business maybe by Trump’s last year in office if he keeps getting wins like this.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 08, 2020 12:35 PM  

Crew wrote:This is the third report I have seen that suggests deaths are actually down:
Fewer auto accidents, fewer nosocomial infections ... we shouldn't be surprised that the death rate is down.

Blogger Crew April 08, 2020 12:56 PM  

@24: Are the elites ignoring the lock downs because some of them know that it's cover for something else?

Blogger Doktor Jeep April 08, 2020 1:16 PM  

Strange police activity out here....

Blogger Silly but True April 08, 2020 1:16 PM  

Deaths due to automobile accidents have cratered because of covid-19 stay-at-home orders.

Also the “world’s destruction in 10 years” because of “global warming” is supposedly to have been prolonged for an additional few more years, again largely due to reduced vehicular emmissions and heavy industry resulting from covid-19. Although the cows have all still been farting just the same.

Stan Lee would tease us with the cover message:
“Enter Corona-chan!
Has she come to destroy us—
...or Save Us?!?”

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 08, 2020 1:55 PM  

There is new Q. The latest says
https://twitter.com/chrisbergPOVNOW/status/1247680994821509121
What is the primary benefit to keep public in mass-hysteria re: COVID-19?
Think voting.
Are you awake yet?
Q

I'm guessing that the Chinese Communist Virus epidemic starts getting downplayed in about 1 to 2 weeks?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 08, 2020 2:01 PM  

Dan in Georgia wrote:Are we seeing Joe Biden without it? Is this why he’s deteriorating so rapidly?
Ol' Creepy has some kind of dementia, but Adrenochrome's effect on the brain really doesn't sound much like dementia.

Blogger Ray - SoCal April 08, 2020 2:03 PM  

The two standard system of justice in the US is disturbing.

One for those connected.

And one for everyone else, with a 99.8% Conviction Rate for Federal Cases.

Evidence of this is Anthony Weiner's laptop contents are still a mystery, 4 years later.

And the Aswan Brother cover up.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 08, 2020 2:58 PM  

Ray - SoCal wrote:The two standard system of justice in the US is disturbing.
Yes. A Storm that doesn't let us SEE that the law again applies to the Ruling Class is not going to re-legitimize government, and is not going to slow the breakup of the empire.

Blogger Crew April 08, 2020 3:10 PM  

@26: Another view suggests it's an artifact of the late arrival of death certificates:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/04/07/coronavirus-correcting-recent-u-s-weekly-death-statistics-for-incomplete-reporting/

Blogger AndyT April 08, 2020 3:12 PM  

VD or other non-disbelievers:

At what point would you admit you are wrong? What will or would it take? Will Ellen going back on the air prove you are wrong? Or going to a movie premiere, or going out in public? Or Oprah?

Or how about Pres. Trump leaving office and no actual evidence of "The Storm" ever materializes?

Blind faith in something with minimal evidence is not the sign of a high IQ. Inherent distrust in the official story is a sign of intelligence, but just because it's an alternate explanation doesn't mean it's the correct one.

The nature of Q and other alternate theories is that they are non-falsifiable in many cases. Do you accept that this makes them inherently sub-par explanations?

Blogger Crew April 08, 2020 3:21 PM  

This article by the Brookings Institute puts things into perspective:

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/future-development/2020/03/23/a-mortality-perspective-on-covid-19-time-location-and-age/

Blogger sammibandit April 08, 2020 3:37 PM  

Oh boy are you in for a ride, AndyT. Get thee behind me.

Blogger Mathias April 08, 2020 4:12 PM  

@AndyT

Please consider this Ellen video in rebuttal to your well reasoned and intelligent arguments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCCwBYcPads

Be sure and listen to it all the way through. You are such a smart boy.

Moving on to serious business, I'm betting Mrs. Degeneres has a new ankle accessory by this point, and will be wearing it regardless of whether or not the show goes on. The Hughesification of Hollywood actors en-mass will probably be live-streamed. A fitting end, really.

Blogger Silly but True April 08, 2020 4:38 PM  

@AndyT:
You assert a false binary choice.

Who TF cares if Q is a cosplayer or real, or just the result of caged monkeys typing on keyboards.

The impact Q phenomenon has _already_ had on media (their undue focus betrays their fear), and our culture, is God’s work enough.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 08, 2020 5:44 PM  

A very real Storm that nobody ever hears about looks most likely today. I've been wondering what signs we would see. Maybe substantially less overt anti-Americanism in DC? Maybe Google and Facebook stopping the anti-Americanism? Fewer H1Bs?

Blogger Hieroglyph April 08, 2020 6:24 PM  

Will he joke about actually being a dude? Because he is.

I am Q-flicted. I'm genuinely not quite sure what to make of Q. However, I find it disturbingly easy to believe that Hollywood is full of MK Ultra zombies who are involved with child trafficking. And Lady Gaga and Oprah genuinely creep me out. I mean, serial killer vibe right there.

And of course SDL's streams about Q are intriguing. Something is up, I'm fairly sure of that.

Blogger Voracious Reader April 08, 2020 6:32 PM  

If a benevolent leader wanted to implement the Storm, there is no time like the present. I can't believe we are actually standing here at the edge of the forward trench, waiting for the off.

-- The National Guard actually has been activated in all 50 US states
-- The majority of Americans are at home ensconced away from false flag attacks
-- The MSM has been thoroughly discredited in the eyes of most Americans
-- GITMO is ready and open for business
-- 150,000 guilty suspects have been identified and run by grand juries
-- We have a strong leader determined to clean up 120+ years of Cabal disasters and outright evil and permanently remove them from this world
-- And the Q prep messages worked, with over two years of solid seasoning among millions of Americans and those of other nations, knowing what lies ahead and who can't wait for the show to begin.

I can't think of another scenario where we would be any more ready for the revelations ahead.

Let the tanks roll and the arrests begin, Mr. President. There is no time like April 2020 to change History for the better.

__We're ready. And we're behind you.__

Blogger AndyT April 08, 2020 6:59 PM  

"The impact Q phenomenon has _already_ had on media (their undue focus betrays their fear), and our culture, is God’s work enough."

I mean it's a lot of wasted energy if this is just all to "own the libs" or whatever.

You have a lot of dedicated true believers. And apparently and otherwise smart people like VD entertaining it sayings like (paraphrasing), "its not the craziest possibility" or "it could be true" or "its probably more true than the official story".

Which are all likely true statements but also, very carefully worded to be non-falsifiable.

It rings really hollow. Its hard to keep the right frame of mind when on the one hand you have really a lot of people very excited about DJT and his presidency, but a huge overlap of them who are excited about it because they appear to be functionally retarded - people like the morons in Idaho who are pretending that the Constitution never contemplated civil restrictions of gatherings to prevent outbreaks of pestilence or plague (it does, it always did), people like the morons literally hang off QAnon and will just justify any failure like believers in end-times prophecies forever re-calculating the numerology of the end-times, and people like mega-church goers happily exposing themselves to an elevated chance of death because of a belief that God will somehow bestow on them immunity from viral infection.

Its hard not to look at people who are excited about the GE and realize a lot of them are just idiots. For every idiot or two, there's a person who seems decent, reliable, and steady and who just wants to have a functioning country where white people aren't the enemy and things are more or less stable. That's where I thought we were heading, but every time it feels like we might get some of that, we also get QAnon, talk about a Storm, etc. I mean, it's been 80% of the Trump administration already, and where we are is supposedly some celebrities are secretly locked up, waiting to be secretly executed, and it's all a secret because... ??? reasons no one can explain?

The whole administration is going to be over and nothing will have happened. And then we're just back to waiting for the next GOP douche bag like Ted Cruz or Lindsey Graham to run for office, either in 2024 or 2028?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 08, 2020 7:21 PM  

AndyT wrote:Which are all likely true statements but also, very carefully worded to be non-falsifiable.
Yes, we acknowledge you are a very very smart boy.
AndyT wrote:Its hard not to look at people who are excited about the GE and realize a lot of them are just idiots.
A VERY VERY VERY SMART boy.
AndyT wrote:The whole administration is going to be over and nothing will have happened. And then we're just back to waiting for the next GOP douche bag like Ted Cruz or Lindsey Graham to run for office, either in 2024 or 2028?
Go sell your black-pill bullshit somewhere else. There's no market for it here. Traitors before enemies, and morale-busters are the worst of the traitors.

Blogger Crew April 08, 2020 9:33 PM  

I guess the question to AndyT is:

What evidence will convince you that Pizzagate is true?

What evidence will convince you that members of the elites diddle children and use adrenachrome?

What evidence will convince you that members of the elite want ordinary Americans to die?

Blogger map April 08, 2020 11:19 PM  

AndyT wrote:I mean it's a lot of wasted energy if this is just all to "own the libs" or whatever.

You have a lot of dedicated true believers. And apparently and otherwise smart people like VD entertaining it sayings like (paraphrasing), "its not the craziest possibility" or "it could be true" or "its probably more true than the official story".

Which are all likely true statements but also, very carefully worded to be non-falsifiable.


Ok...why would you want to set up a standard of "falsifiability" when it is obvious that "falsifiability" is neither a feature of politics nor propaganda?

In fact, the media has been running its own version of QAnon for the first three years of Trump's presidency...he's Bob Mueller.

Remember all of the breathless accounts of how, any day now, Trump is going down, as Mueller, the square-jawed Marine, closes in on Trump and his Russian cronies? Any day now, Mueller is going to "get the goods" and Trump is going to ousted from office and sent to jail? Remember, how this was all over the airwaves?

What was the result? Mueller looking like an addled fool in front of Congress, unable to understand what was in his own report, and assuring everyone that his job was to "exonerate" Trump.

Remember that?

Trump has been routing the establishment in ways that could not be possible if he wasn't getting the kind of help QAnon or something is providing...no "falsifiability" necessary.

Again, don't operate on higher standards than necessary against your enemy. You don't want to get your bow tie spinning.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 08, 2020 11:25 PM  

Voracious Reader wrote:Let the tanks roll and the arrests begin, Mr. President. There is no time like April 2020 to change History for the better.

__We're ready. And we're behind you.__

Yes. We need open action against the Swamp and the Left to restore legitimacy to government. There is no time like the present.

Blogger TiredPoorHungry April 08, 2020 11:37 PM  

@AndyT
I'm new here, just a 2 year Dark Steam lurker but I know what love is. I believe echo chambers form from repeated talking points. Thats not what I see here. The true and the beautiful are not always beautiful. Your not tall enough for this ride.

Blogger James April 09, 2020 1:10 AM  

Trust Sessions. Hahaha.

Blogger John Rockwell April 09, 2020 2:01 AM  

@map

There is no higher standard than being a strategic genius.

Blogger Silly but True April 09, 2020 8:17 AM  

“Owning the libs” — especially if and for the lulz — is never wasted energy.

Blogger BastionHarm April 09, 2020 10:46 AM  

Crew wrote:I guess the question to AndyT is:

What evidence will convince you that Pizzagate is true?

What evidence will convince you that members of the elites diddle children and use adrenachrome?

What evidence will convince you that members of the elite want ordinary Americans to die?


I don't know AndyT, but one can agree that Pizzagate is real and our elites really are pedos who want the legacy population dead and gone...

...and yet still be increasingly skeptical that "the God Emperor" is ever going to do anything like "unleash The Storm!"

I have a proposal: instead of calling him names for his skepticism, why not just propose a wager with him? He seems to be pretty sure now that no "Storm" is coming and "the God Emperor" is never going to get around to rounding up his enemies and putting them away, while those calling him names like "traitor" and saying that "he's too short for this ride" seem to think otherwise...

OK. Place your bets. Pony up and propose to AndyT a certain dollar amount, say...$500, which says "the Storm" happens by a certain date. November 2020? January 2021 (if he is reelected?)

Blogger TiredPoorHungry April 09, 2020 12:25 PM  

@52 BastionHarm
I won't bet on a horse race that has already been won. What storm? How about the one that took financial control away from the fed and restored it to the Treasury.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 09, 2020 12:42 PM  

BastionHarm wrote:OK. Place your bets. Pony up and propose to AndyT a certain dollar amount, say...$500, which says "the Storm" happens by a certain date. November 2020? January 2021 (if he is reelected?)
For a bet, need a date, and a definition of Storm.

Maybe some percent of a pre-defined group of Hollywood names openly arrested for crimes like pedophilia?
Maybe some percent of a pre-defined group of DC Swamp critters openly arrested for crimes like treason or seditious conspiracy?
Maybe some predetermined number of Americans openly in Gitmo, openly facing tribunals?

I get that it has to start quietly and under cover. If The Storm isn't open and notorious at its ending, it's not going to be adequate to the purpose of restoring legitimacy to government. I don't expect to see open Storm conditions until the second term, if ever.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 09, 2020 12:53 PM  

TiredPoorHungry wrote:What storm? How about the one that took financial control away from the fed and restored it to the Treasury.
We were hoping for tanks in the streets and the last administration in jail.
We're getting dozens of significant, behind-the-scenes power shifts.
It's all good, but none of it is satisfying.

Blogger JamesB.BKK April 09, 2020 1:00 PM  

Do you accept that you have asked multiple non-rhetorical questions that will go unanswered? Blithering in wind.

Blogger TiredPoorHungry April 09, 2020 1:05 PM  

@52 BastionHarm
Ok you talked me into it. Soon as I get my Government money from the GE, I'm going to place a $100 bet on Vox Day and another $100 bet on the Big Bear.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 09, 2020 1:08 PM  

The whole point of electing Trump was to keep the tanks OUT of the streets.

Blogger JamesB.BKK April 09, 2020 1:08 PM  

Andy T? More like Andy low T.

Blogger JamesB.BKK April 09, 2020 1:15 PM  

Trump alternatively bashes or removes every standard media crisis criticism in the playbook. From "You're a third rate reporter. You'll never make it." to "I didn't know him but his resignation was accepted," his depth and flex here unscripted are amazing. Meanwhile he is claiming to be using military deployments to attack human trafficking / slavery. That ain't Q posts.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 09, 2020 1:16 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:The whole point of electing Trump was to keep the tanks OUT of the streets.
I voted for him mainly to see him destroy the GOP.

Blogger JamesB.BKK April 09, 2020 1:17 PM  

What's your wager Mr. Helper?

Blogger TiredPoorHungry April 09, 2020 1:39 PM  

Whatever happened to "Chester the Podester"?

Blogger Akulkis April 09, 2020 2:03 PM  

To destroy the DNC, it's puppet, the GOP had to be destroyed first. Intermediate goal has been achieved, now to finish the job.

Blogger TiredPoorHungry April 09, 2020 2:54 PM  

This Tulsi Gabbard thing is going to get some attention. She could be effectively used to corral the young bucks who are swinging from left to right.

Blogger Ingemar April 09, 2020 3:02 PM  

Just had a talk with one of my blue pill friends. When I mentioned that Fauci is an "interested party," he quipped "Yeah! Of Trump!"

This got me to thinking that any great revelation that will occur is not going to take unless the MSM, UN and WHO are fully discredited. Which leads to another thought--even if the Deep State organs are discredited, some (most? A few?) have become so inured that they will still not accept.

Blogger sammibandit April 09, 2020 3:39 PM  

And to think Ellen thought her devil deal made her cool. She looks like a Sultana raisin.

Blogger mrpinks April 09, 2020 7:59 PM  

She was mis-quoted. She actually said "'This is like being in jail, except the sex is better in jail"

Blogger AndyT April 09, 2020 11:52 PM  

I have a proposal: instead of calling him names for his skepticism, why not just propose a wager with him? He seems to be pretty sure now that no "Storm" is coming and "the God Emperor" is never going to get around to rounding up his enemies and putting them away, while those calling him names like "traitor" and saying that "he's too short for this ride" seem to think otherwise...

I would take the wager and escrow it with any reasonable third party.

The layers of "owning" people are so deep, it is confusing at what point people believe this, or are playing along to be on the inside of something fun, or just hoping it's true for some excitement in politics.

From my own limited direct interactions in the real world with QAnon believers it is fairly surprisingly they can make a grilled cheese sandwich on their own. They are certainly operating at the level of most the people here appear to.

There is no point in arresting those who will never be charged by corrupt prosecutors, and if charged, will be released by corrupt judges.

This is what it boils down to. If they are never going to be arrested or charged, but instead are on secret lock down awaiting military trial they are also permitted to post to social media.. because.. reasons?

VD's own question begs the question. It is flatly illegal to hold people without trial, it's flatly illegal to execute citizens under military tribunals at peacetime, it's flatly illegal in many ways. So why not just execute them now and skip the waiting period?

There are two options among others: it's all lies, and the Trump administration is basically incompetent and floating from one crisis to the next with no real direction, or Trump on top of being a world class bullshitter who can't keep a secret for a day is running the greatest secret operation in the history of the world.

In either 6 months or 5 years I'll guess we'll know.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 10, 2020 3:24 AM  

@Andy_T, ordinarily I would not have let that post through, as basic bitch black-pill bullshit.
In this case, I made an exception, because it so perfectly encapsulates the gamma self-importance, combined with the purposeful impotence and limitless self-regard of the black-piller.
Look upon his snark and unhappiness, you gammas, and despair.

Blogger Todd Bruno April 10, 2020 11:42 AM  

He raises a good point though. Why.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine April 11, 2020 2:44 AM  

"It is flatly illegal to hold people without trial, it's flatly illegal to execute citizens under military tribunals at peacetime, it's flatly illegal in many ways."

For the first, people are routinely held for weeks or months before their trials, depending on the crime. For the second, are you retarded? We've got at least two different declared wars going on, and good luck arguing with the last few Commander-in-Chiefs about those, notice we're a flipping empire? You wouldn't know illegal if it strolled in your door, shat in your lap, and then sued you for not providing proper disability restroom rails.

"There are two options among others:"

Oh come on, that's weak bull as either dialectic or rhetoric. Try growing a pair and actually saying something.

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