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Friday, May 22, 2020

For the record

Just thought I'd put these out there for future reference:

The Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China.
January 14, 2020, World Health Organization

There is no evidence that the coronavirus was created in a laboratory.
April 20, 2020, The Conversation

The World Health Organization reiterated that the coronavirus which causes COVID-19 is "natural in origin." Scientists who are examining the genetic sequences of the virus have assured "again and again that this virus is natural in origin."
May 1, 2020

Dr. Anthony Fauci, a renowned U.S. infectious disease expert, has said that there is no scientific evidence to back the theory that the coronavirus was made in a Chinese laboratory. "If you look at the evolution of the virus in bats and what's out there now, the scientific evidence is very, very strongly leaning toward this could not have been artificially or deliberately manipulated," he said.
May 4, 2020, National Geographic

WHO says it has no evidence to support 'speculative' Covid-19 lab theory
May 5, 2020, The Guardian

The British government has not seen any evidence to suggest that the novel coronavirus that causes COVID-19 was man-made.
May 9, 2020, UK Health Minister Matt Hancock

Scientists: 'Exactly zero' evidence COVID-19 came from a lab.
May 12, 2020, Center for Infections Disease Research and Policy

Evidence of COVID’s natural origin mounts even as conspiracy theory about Chinese lab refuses to die
May 13, 2020, Cornell Alliance for Science

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89 Comments:

Blogger Gregory the Tall May 22, 2020 8:06 AM  

I found a statement in the list that has already been proven wrong:

"Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China.
January 14, 2020, World Health Organization"

Blogger Right Republican May 22, 2020 8:07 AM  

Cue your comment stating something along the lines that 'the official story is always likely to be false...'

Blogger RandyB May 22, 2020 8:13 AM  

Because the memory hole hungers.

Blogger TruthsGotMyBack May 22, 2020 8:15 AM  

They never needed a new virus just a new test. The scam works better if there is no virus.

Blogger Sean May 22, 2020 8:16 AM  

One thing I don't quite understand is that China has been opposing an impartial, independent inquiry. If the virus was unleashed by the Deep State on China won't they want this message to get out? Unless China believes that there's no way they'll get an independent inquiry and this "independent" inquiry will be out to get them?

There's also alot of evidence that the virus was out there much earlier than ppl thought - for instance, French doctors apparently found victims as far back as Nov 2019.

Blogger Jack Ward May 22, 2020 8:16 AM  

Thank You. I hope that some day definitive books are written about what may be the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on the United States and the world.
Authors to include Vox Day, Karl Deninger, and all the real docs and scientists that had the courage to stand up and cry bullshit over the government propaganda.

Blogger KBuff May 22, 2020 8:20 AM  

"We came to the conclusion that there was manipulation around this virus. […] To a part but I do not say the total […] of the coronavirus of the bat, someone added sequences, in particular of HIV, the virus of AIDS. […] It is not natural. It’s the work of professionals, of molecular biologists. […] A very meticulous work." - Luc Montagnier, discoverer of HIV. Snopes admits he said this, and then does everything it can to show he's wrong.

Blogger Shimshon May 22, 2020 8:25 AM  

Next, we'll find out that Covid-19 originates from the formerly obscure and even considered extinct moonbat. Nasa accidentally brought one back from the moon in a case of samples. It turned out to be infected with an archaic Covid (aCovid-1970 variant). Wouldn't you know, they're also hermaphroditic, multiply like tribbles (if tribbles were real) and impossible to eradicate. They have settled in very well. Today, we call them...Wuhan bats. Moonbats, from the moon. That's the real conspiracy, not some cockamamie story of manmade viruses.

Blogger Nostromo May 22, 2020 8:30 AM  

Yes. I totally trust a bureaucracy and media entrenched in big government, that it is a total coincidence that a bat virus spread into humans in the same city of a virology lab that studies bat viruses. Just like it happened at every other city that has a virology lab.

Blogger rumpole5 May 22, 2020 8:31 AM  

The hype, of course, is persuasive to the conclusion that it WAS created in a lab, because Governments are so often dishonest. They would be wiser to just state the facts and take no position on the origin. One thing that can be said is that in the past, nature, by herself, has cooked up far worse world wide plagues in the same Asian hothouse that this newest Chinese virus came from. RX: take 1 border closing, plus a dash of xenophobia and high, high tariffs, and call me in the morning.

Blogger Stilicho May 22, 2020 8:32 AM  

Yep, definitely man-made

Blogger VD May 22, 2020 8:33 AM  

One thing I don't quite understand is that China has been opposing an impartial, independent inquiry.

Unlike you, the Chinese government understands that the inquiry will be neither impartial nor independent.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 22, 2020 8:36 AM  

"If you look at the evolution of the virus in bats and what's out there now, [the scientific evidence] is very, very strongly leaning toward this could not have been artificially or deliberately manipulated,"

Even propagating and differentiating different strains of it in lab media would be artificial and deliberate manipulation that would provide zero evidence. "Could not" therefore is a bald-faced lie, which in turn with the hedging means there's clear and damning evidence that it was manipulated.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 22, 2020 8:37 AM  

They need it to not be seen as artificial because then they can more easily keep the scare going about it continually naturally mutating.

Blogger FisherOfMen May 22, 2020 8:38 AM  

>There's also alot of evidence that the virus was out there much earlier than ppl thought - for instance, French doctors apparently found victims as far back as Nov 2019.

Even following the mainstream narrative, the virus was emerging in China in either late Oct or early Nov 2019. If it's as contagious as it is proposed to be, and with China not shutting down flights, it should have been seeded everywhere in the world by Thanksgiving.



Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 22, 2020 8:40 AM  

You know, the most annoying part of this is that while the lockdowns are ongoing, anyone who spots a flaw in the argument will find themselves accosted by spam lies and obfuscations. If these people weren't stupid it would be incredibly hard to find the truth, but often they're too stupid to avoid just stating the opposite of what they think the truth is.

Blogger Parrothead Al May 22, 2020 8:45 AM  

The more emphatic and frequent the denials, the better the proof that it is true. The mainstream narrative is always a lie or spin.

Blogger Ranger May 22, 2020 8:54 AM  

"An independent inquiry"
You mean like the one of the OPCW on the Douma incident?

Blogger John Regan May 22, 2020 9:11 AM  

Increasing frequency of repetition noted. Pretty soon it'll have to be multiple "news" items per day. Falsity requires endless reinforcement. Where do they get so much energy to waste?

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia May 22, 2020 9:20 AM  

The first category of statement, "the virus is natural in origin" is of course true. To an extent.

Let's say there's a lab -- we'll call it the Wuhan Virology Lab -- wants to create some sort of deadly strain of a virus, whether for pure academic purposes or for vaccine development or for weaponization -- or for all three.

It would be stupid NOT to start with a virus whose "origin" is natural. You're not going to build a virus from scratch.

These people talk like the slimiest of lawyers.

Second, the boring, cliched, incredibly unhelpful statement

"there is no evidence"

should really read,

"there is either no evidence because it wasn't concocted, or they is as yet uncovered evidence that will prove it WAS or WASN'T concocted."

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VD wrote:One thing I don't quite understand is that China has been opposing an impartial, independent inquiry.

Unlike you, the Chinese government understands that the inquiry will be neither impartial nor independent.


On the other hand, the Chinese government -- i.e., the CCP -- couldn't or wouldn't themselves provide an impartial and independent inquiry for all the reasons we know and are too numerous to mention.

So I guess we're even there.

Blogger bramley May 22, 2020 9:20 AM  

China doesn't want to shoulder the blame for this being a genetic chop suey virus, even if it's a frame-up, which is understandable. And the globalist high priests are wont to object to the same truth for reasons of pushing their one world garbage in public. But maybe they're using what they know as leverage to coerce China to knuckle under to the globohomo regime? If the official story changes it could well indicate that as being the game in play.

Blogger Gregory the Tall May 22, 2020 9:27 AM  

@14 Azure Amaranthine
Very good thought. If it were seen as artificial they could not push vaccination for nobody could plausibly administer a vaccine against something unknown that gene-splicing bio-weapon experts might unleash next year.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 22, 2020 9:38 AM  

"There is no evidence" == guilty

Blogger Crew May 22, 2020 10:10 AM  

Just as the Spanish Flu probably didn't originate in Spain (and most people seem to think it came from the US) maybe the Wuhan flu didn't originate in Wuhan.

Who knows whether it came from bats miles away or a lab in the US. Regardless, its name is The Wuhan Flu!

Blogger Jeroth May 22, 2020 10:22 AM  

Can anyone explain how it got to Iran so quickly and why they were saying it was so deadly in Iran? I personally have no clue if it actually was particularly deadly in Iran or if it even reached Iran. But that's the official story.

Azure Amaranthine wrote:They need it to not be seen as artificial because then they can more easily keep the scare going about it continually naturally mutating.

Can laboratory designed viruses not mutate?

Blogger Didas Kalos May 22, 2020 10:34 AM  

Sometimes we just need a good slap upside the head. It does a mind good.

Blogger Yossarian May 22, 2020 10:35 AM  

I had no idea that patents are now considered anecdotal evidence by scientisticians.

Blogger Section 8A May 22, 2020 10:39 AM  

Lists like this, and lists of the ever changing statements by gov't officials via 'experts' regarding how to handle CV, make the NPC's apoplectic. It's quite entertaining to watch.

Blogger Joe Smith May 22, 2020 10:39 AM  

The mainstream is a fairly reliable guide to truth. Just un-invert anything said, and voila, truth.

Blogger Gettimothy May 22, 2020 11:03 AM  

The brazenness takes my breath away; there is no common ground; this is war.


Off-topic, but in the Spirit of the Good, the Beautiful and the True, I found a bit of rhetoric that those here might enjoy deploying; it certainly works in heartening our forces, giving something to fight for.

Beauty is Objective





Blogger Jack Ward May 22, 2020 11:22 AM  

29. Joe SmithMay 22, 2020 10:39 AM
The mainstream is a fairly reliable guide to truth. Just un-invert anything said, and voila, truth.

Unfortunately, you are oh so correct. Where oh where do we find a ruling government that we can trust?
Maybe in a parallel universe?
With the insanity of Calif. wanting to pay illegal border crossers, I will have to say that if the present government in power, bails out Calif. and the other radical usually dem ruled states that have, far more than the blue states, trashed their own nests, I will have to seriously consider saving my time on Nov. 3, not vote, and, have a few adult beverages while morning the loss of the United States. The founding fathers did try to do the right thing. Ultimately, it's looking more and more they should have saved themselves the trouble and moved to New Zealand, perhaps, and tried again. Sad. I hope I'm proved wrong. Please.

Blogger Jack Ward May 22, 2020 11:26 AM  

Oh, question. Joe Smith, from up the page, are you the Joe Smith from Clearlake? If so, I once knew you and your family. If so, you had the most dry humor I had ever met. Wonderful, it was/is. Keep up the skeer.

Blogger sappbe May 22, 2020 11:32 AM  

The Ministry of Science doth protest too much, methinks.

Blogger Didas Kalos May 22, 2020 12:01 PM  

@jeroth.I'm guessing there are lot of Chinese in Iran and are helping with oil rigs and stuff. I don't think the deep state Globalists are fond of Iran, being that they've threatened Israel and all.

Blogger OldFan May 22, 2020 12:05 PM  

The correct translation of "There is no scientific evidence." is "Give me some grant money and I'll make some for you." The profession of Science has become totally debased.

We cannot find anyone as fearlessly independent as Dr. Richard Ballinger Seaton any more . . . or even a Dr. Marc C. Duquesne (ancient SF reference) to ruthlessly speak the truth. Such men no longer come to prominence in Science - they are weeded out in grad school.

Like so many other institutions, Science is now run only for political power and personal gain.

Blogger Nathan Hornok May 22, 2020 12:05 PM  

Fauci's quote "If you look at the evolution of the virus in bats and what's out there now, the scientific evidence is very, very strongly leaning toward this could not have been artificially or deliberately manipulated,"

I can't wrap my head around how much that guy lies. There is zero reason to think this virus (especially the polybasic cleavage site between the s1 and s2 portions of the spike protein) could NOT have been made in a lab. That doesn't mean it couldn't have come about naturally either, but to say there is clear evidence it was NOT made in a lab is just so blatantly dishonest. This guy's is a total con artist.

The very fact that he says "this could not have been artificially or deliberately manipulated' indicates he knows this was manipulated in a lab. If he was being honest he would say "there is no clear evidence this came from a lab and not nature." That would be one thing. But since he says "could not have been," it seems like he's purposely hiding something. It's one of those "she doth protest too much" situations.

Blogger Up from the pond May 22, 2020 12:18 PM  

We did not create COVID-19, and I did not sleep with that woman.

Blogger Crew May 22, 2020 12:22 PM  

I am getting whiplash from the speed with which Hitler changes who he wants as his successor!

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/obamas-ambassador-beijing-compares-trump-hitler-chinese-tv

Blogger wgmeisheid May 22, 2020 12:27 PM  

KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia wrote:

VD wrote:One thing I don't quite understand is that China has been opposing an impartial, independent inquiry.

Unlike you, the Chinese government understands that the inquiry will be neither impartial nor independent.


On the other hand, the Chinese government -- i.e., the CCP -- couldn't or wouldn't themselves provide an impartial and independent inquiry for all the reasons we know and are too numerous to mention.

So I guess we're even there.

Don't you think that if the CCP had ANY evidence of manipulation of the virus outside of their Wuhan lab they would touting it as much as possible. Also, Fauci contracted with the lab to manipulate the coronavirus after he was prevented from continuing that kind of research in the U.S. That has been fully documented. Everything points to the Wuhan lab. Add the strange two week cell phone blanking at the lab in early November and you have all of the circumstantial evidence of an accidental release of a manipulated virus.

Blogger Dr. J May 22, 2020 12:28 PM  

They're going to have to shut down research on this thing to maintain the narrative. Our friend SARSCoV2 binds most strongly to the human ACE2 receptor. More strongly than to bat, dog, cat or pangolin. Just an accident of nature, I'm sure. Do the craplibs LOVE this SCIENCE?

Vox I can't meet the shutdowns with your equanimity. The economic costs are hitting a little too close to home, they completely defy logic, and your projections of the aftermath differ from mine. But if it drives a stake through the heart of the public schools, gets swamp creatures carted off and recalled and helps the God emperor then I'll call it square.

Blogger Joe Smith May 22, 2020 12:32 PM  

@Jack Ward No, that wasn't me. And no government is trustworthy, though they don't have to be as bad as ours is currently. Also, no cause for despair. The powers that be are busily self-imploding as we speak.

Blogger Dwayne Thundergrit May 22, 2020 12:34 PM  

An impartial investigation ends up at UNC Chapel Hill, NC and Fort Detrick, MD.

Anyone who thinks any investigation that could possibly end up admitting that the US is the actual origin of this strain that's clearly been though the 'gain of function' process is living in fantasy land.

Blogger wgmeisheid May 22, 2020 12:37 PM  

Looks like Australia is bucking this "natural mutation" trend.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/21/australian-researchers-see-virus-design-manipulati/

Blogger Magson May 22, 2020 12:42 PM  

Aussies are releasing a study that indicates that the virus is indeed lab modified -- https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/21/australian-researchers-see-virus-design-manipulati/

Blogger Crew May 22, 2020 1:14 PM  

@43: We know that Australia responds to the beck and call of the Deep State, so what does that article tell us that is new?

Blogger OneWingedShark May 22, 2020 1:21 PM  

KBuff wrote:"We came to the conclusion that there was manipulation around this virus. […] To a part but I do not say the total […] of the coronavirus of the bat, someone added sequences, in particular of HIV, the virus of AIDS. […] It is not natural. It’s the work of professionals, of molecular biologists. […] A very meticulous work." - Luc Montagnier, discoverer of HIV. Snopes admits he said this, and then does everything it can to show he's wrong.
There were some papers on the possible after-effects, some being things like lung-scarring and/or testicular-tissue scarring… the fallout of "LOL! You got Corona-chan so you can't have kids!" would be extreme, especially considering the obviousness of it's engineered origins as shown above. — And it's at least credible enough that the military is banning survivors from recruitment.

Blogger Damelon Brinn May 22, 2020 1:26 PM  

Don't you think that if the CCP had ANY evidence of manipulation of the virus outside of their Wuhan lab they would touting it as much as possible.

They can't point to evidence showing the research started in the West without admitting that it continued at Wuhan and that's where the outbreak happened. If they're going to stick with the "It was a bat and we didn't know anything. What? Are you racist?" narrative, they have to pretend to know nothing about any lab origin at all.

Blogger OneWingedShark May 22, 2020 1:28 PM  

Jack Ward wrote:29. Joe SmithMay 22, 2020 10:39 AM

The mainstream is a fairly reliable guide to truth. Just un-invert anything said, and voila, truth.

Unfortunately, you are oh so correct. Where oh where do we find a ruling government that we can trust?

Prayer, and fasting, and becoming that government; at least, this is the US's traditional answer. There's stories all over about prayer being very intertwined with the birth of the US, and John Adams even proclaimed a day for solemn prayer, fasting and humiliation.

Blogger Gallant May 22, 2020 1:37 PM  

Funny a friend just shared a "'no evidence' that has antibodies confers immunity" - but also said the bar to changing that would be to do a study pushing virulent virus into people, which they could never ethically do.

Like statistics, seems people sometimes use "no evidence" to deceive.

With the no-evidence ones above, I guess you have to figure which are intentionally deceptive, and which are just dumb PR. . . ?

Blogger OneWingedShark May 22, 2020 1:41 PM  

Dr. J wrote:Vox I can't meet the shutdowns with your equanimity. The economic costs are hitting a little too close to home, they completely defy logic, and your projections of the aftermath differ from mine.
There's a short article that ends with the supposition that this could be used to essentially enslave the people.

Blogger glueballs May 22, 2020 2:05 PM  

@Yossarian
I had no idea that patents are now considered anecdotal evidence by scientisticians.

I say this against interest as a “patient liar.” Inventions described in patent registrations need not work or necessarily operate as expressed in their claims and specifications. Patents are metes and bounds of claimed intellectual territory. Enter the territory bounds, you infringe arguably subject to dispute and practicality decided by a federal judge who probably took as undergrad a course “the history of science” to fulfill their minimal academic math and science requirements for their sociology degree or some jurors who need their juror pay to survivve. – an active patent lawyer

Blogger Shane Bradman May 22, 2020 2:18 PM  

If they're this desperate, it means we're right and the message is spreading.

Blogger basementhomebrewer May 22, 2020 2:37 PM  

There's a short article that ends with the supposition that this could be used to essentially enslave the people.

I think there is a good chance of that. The amount of fear mongering in the media about it is disproportional to the results we have seen to date. Also, the weekly national article "this person/chruch/protestor was skeptical of the virus and now they died from it" are getting to be pretty suspicious as well. I believe there is a virus, and I would even buy that some of these skeptics got it and died. I am doubting it is as common as the media is trying to make it sound. Especially the stories that report of unnamed members of a church or a protest group. How is anyone to know if those stories are true when there are no names associated with them?

The worst part is it is working to stir up a low level panic in a large portions of the populace. I see posts regularly now from people who are actually counting the number of people who are wearing masks vs the number who aren't when they go out in public. They are heaping scorn on those that aren't wearing masks. They are also lamenting that governors backed off masks in public mandates. They are begging for tyranny and mock the people who point that out to them.

However real or fake this incident is, it is clear that globalists have found an angle and are exploiting it.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 22, 2020 2:39 PM  

Any time you see the words "there is no evidence" you know you are being lied to.

Blogger Geir Balderson May 22, 2020 3:08 PM  

Dr. Fauci, as does Greta Thunberg, always flings out that old favorite. We have to listen to the 'science'.

'Science', is the magical incantation that makes all of their statements right and correct.

Better not dispute the 'science'. Science is magical!

Blogger Reprehensible Adam May 22, 2020 3:09 PM  

Didn’t the dog eat the bat meat and lick his balls then the Chinese ate the dog meat? That’s what I heard and it’s hilarious!

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia May 22, 2020 4:25 PM  

wgmeisheid wrote

Don't you think that if the CCP had ANY evidence of manipulation of the virus outside of their Wuhan
lab they would touting it as much as possible.


They have just as much reason to keep secret “exculpatory” evidence like this because the next question folks would ask is, “How did you find this and how do you know this?” Maybe keeping this knowledge – unlikely as it is – as a secret benefits them in that they don’t have to reveal sources and methods. In fact, casting doubt about where the source is, without evidence, may be paradoxically MORE beneficial to the CCP as it gets adversarial intelligence organizations pursuing the attractive, but ultimately worthless, shiny objects

wgmeisheid also wrote:

Also, Fauci contracted with the lab to manipulate the coronavirus after he was prevented from continuing that kind of research in the U.S. That has been fully documented. Everything points to the Wuhan lab. Add the strange two week cell phone blanking at the lab in early November and you have all of the circumstantial evidence of an accidental release of a manipulated virus.


Agreed.

I mentioned in another thread that this is my “operating theory.” What was going on in the lab is maybe less of a bioweapons program than it was a way for the NIH and academic researchers to do dangerous vaccine research, which China was more than happy to do because part of their long term plan to extricate themselves from the 17th century is to have a big thriving pharma business.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia May 22, 2020 4:50 PM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:Don't you think that if the CCP had ANY evidence of manipulation of the virus outside of their Wuhan lab they would touting it as much as possible.

They can't point to evidence showing the research started in the West without admitting that it continued at Wuhan and that's where the outbreak happened. If they're going to stick with the "It was a bat and we didn't know anything. What? Are you racist?" narrative, they have to pretend to know nothing about any lab origin at all.


Right.

The conniving, secretive, and perfidious Han will NEVER coming clean about any of this. It's more useful for them to deflect, rumor monger, and/or keep quiet. Having any of the possible truths revealed is inimical to them.

Blogger Robert Browning May 22, 2020 5:43 PM  

Why are kids getting inflammatory syndrome instead of fever and coughing? If it is natural occurring should the symptoms be the same?

Blogger Avalanche May 22, 2020 6:11 PM  

@19 "Falsity requires endless reinforcement. Where do they get so much energy to waste?"

Tortured children's blood.

Blogger James Dixon May 22, 2020 6:46 PM  

> Unlike you, the Chinese government understands that the inquiry will be neither impartial nor independent.

True. But there's no sign they're performing their own investigation either.

> ...with China not shutting down flights, it should have been seeded everywhere in the world by Thanksgiving.

Which pretty much matches what we've seen.

> Don't you think that if the CCP had ANY evidence of manipulation of the virus outside of their Wuhan lab they would touting it as much as possible.

You'd think so. Which I take to mean either they don't have any such evidence or they're trying to build an airtight case.

Blogger Goose May 22, 2020 7:40 PM  

You forgot 3 additional reasons, just putting them out there
1. The check is in the mail
2. Of course, I will love you in the morning
3. No, I will not c*m in your mouth

Blogger Akulkis May 22, 2020 8:06 PM  

So Fauci and all of thse other jackasses are telling us that a sequence from HIV got into the Coronavirus by "natural causes"

Yeah, natural processes manipulated by man, just as a magnetic field inducing electric current in conductors is completely natural, even if the conductors, magnets are assembled into by people to make a device, and the varying magnetic fields comes from spinning the axle of that device. Totally natural -- because all processes follow natural laws, UNLESS there is divine or satanic activity involved.

Blogger Akulkis May 22, 2020 8:09 PM  

"what may be the biggest hoax"

Hundreds of thousands of dead isn't a hoax.

But it probably is part of either a scam, a public manipulation, or a power play, or even two or all three of the above.

Blogger Akulkis May 22, 2020 8:19 PM  

"Falsity requires endless reinforcement. Where do they get so much energy to waste?"

By not spending energy reporting other news and actual facts.

Blogger :^) May 22, 2020 8:22 PM  

How "coincidental"!

"Covid-19 Coronavirus: Scripted by the CDC in 2003"...

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/05/no_author/covid-19-coronavirus-scripted-by-the-cdc-in-2003/

Blogger Akulkis May 22, 2020 8:24 PM  

"Can anyone explain how it got to Iran so quickly and why they were saying it was so deadly in Iran? I personally have no clue if it actually was particularly deadly in Iran or if it even reached Iran. But that's the official story."

Here's the RumInt:
1) about 50% of Iran's leadership was taken out
2) Iran had a hidden by close relationship with China

I've seen confirmation of neither.
I think that someone from the Wuhan lab delivered some of it to a mole inside the Iranian government.

Blogger Akulkis May 22, 2020 8:28 PM  

" I don't think the deep state Globalists are fond of Iran, being that they've threatened Israel and all."

The financial/Deep-State doesn't like that Iran wants to sell oil in something other than U.S. dollars.

Blogger Akulkis May 22, 2020 8:30 PM  

"I am getting whiplash from the speed with which Hitler changes who he wants as his successor!"

Your turn and mine, are both coming eventually.

What are you planning to do with your 15 minutes of being (((Hitler)))?

Blogger Andrew Brown May 22, 2020 8:38 PM  

The Promethean cries,
"Harken to the One Eyed god",
That official narrative,
The Remnant despise.

Blogger Crew May 22, 2020 8:56 PM  

So, HCQ and Zinc reigns supreme. Remdesivir is shit!

https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/remdesivir-study-finally-out-drug-only-helped-those-oxygen-finds-mortality-too-high

Blogger Tino May 22, 2020 9:53 PM  

How a free society deals with pandemics by the guy who eradicated smallpox Excellent...

Blogger Edjamacator May 22, 2020 10:11 PM  

For you guys way smarter than I am, which is pretty much everyone here: I came across this site detailing how even N95 masks don't do anything against a virus. Considering I've been going shopping wearing one and I have kids, I'd like to know if this is right or wrong. Lots of reference links, so looks legit, but I can't be sure. The site.

Blogger SaltHarvest May 22, 2020 10:16 PM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:They need it to not be seen as artificial because then they can more easily keep the scare going about it continually naturally mutating.

At the point it's irrelevant. Even if this strain of coronavirus is not natural in origin, does not mean nature will let it go to waste. A bioweapon can be redesigned by a more competent designer.

Blogger SaltHarvest May 22, 2020 10:39 PM  

Dwayne Thundergrit wrote:An impartial investigation ends up at UNC Chapel Hill, NC and Fort Detrick, MD.

Anyone who thinks any investigation that could possibly end up admitting that the US is the actual origin of this strain that's clearly been though the 'gain of function' process is living in fantasy land.


According to the Lancet, a moratorium on gain-of-function research was lifted in the US two years ago.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(18)30006-9/fulltext

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 23, 2020 1:03 AM  

"Can laboratory designed viruses not mutate?"

They can, however people don't think about it that way. The thought process goes: Artificial = dangerous because designed to be, therefore natural mutation = less design toward dangerous.

It's an entertaining microcosm, showing off how people intuitively and usually correctly assume that something must be designed toward a function. Our opponents know this even though they hate it, so if they have stake in the continued scare from nCoV19, such as Fauci and crew, they can't allow it to be known as artificial. In addition, people knowing that SOMEONE had their thumb in a pie soon tend to wonder exactly how many thumbs have been in there. "Oh, so the pandemic is designed? What if the response is manipulated too?"

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 23, 2020 1:14 AM  

"At the point it's irrelevant. Even if this strain of coronavirus is not natural in origin, does not mean nature will let it go to waste."

Right, but ninety-some out of a hundred people don't think that far. To be fair to them, probabilistically speaking about viruses with degenerate/divergent/divaricated genomes, while they aren't necessarily right, they're more likely to be right. Artificial things become unworkable more often with a simple change.

Blogger Tetro May 23, 2020 1:35 AM  

Akulkis wrote:By not spending energy reporting other news and actual facts.

Burn.

These people are all such faggots. It's not the dorky, weak, yet honest kids who deserved wedgies and getting stuffed in their lockers. It's these people, who are such weasels that they lie, cheat, steal, and posture just to get some fame, money, or status.

Could we just make Mexico our 'Siberia' and send people like this there to dodge satanic drug dealers whilst doing hard labor in makeshift shanty towns, never to return again?

Blogger Tetro May 23, 2020 1:39 AM  

Nathan Hornok wrote:Fauci's quote "If you look at the evolution

The moment someone starts with 'evolution', brace for incoming wave of shoddy logic or outright bullshit.

Blogger Akuma May 23, 2020 1:43 AM  

The statement by Fauci is using subtle language. At that level he knows what hes doing. The virus is natural in orgin, but that doesn't mean it wasn't cultivated in a lab. All it needs is the right natural material to grow on. Move it from petri dish to petri dish, and in no time you have a new virulent strain.

Blogger map May 23, 2020 3:28 AM  

Edjamacator wrote:For you guys way smarter than I am, which is pretty much everyone here: I came across this site detailing how even N95 masks don't do anything against a virus. Considering I've been going shopping wearing one and I have kids, I'd like to know if this is right or wrong. Lots of reference links, so looks legit, but I can't be sure. The site.

The study you are reading is a meta-analysis of other studies, which, btw, is not a real analysis anyway. It is a survey of other research that may or may not be related to the issue at at hand.

But let's assume the meta-analysis is correct, that masks do not block because a SARS-Covid particle is 2.5 microns and the mask may only block 3 microns or larger.

Let's think about this. In an aerosolized environment, you are going to have all kinds of particles of different sizes competing for space, which means a SARS-Covid is sharing room in the air with other particles of smaller, equal or greater size. This means that, at random, larger particles will block smaller particles, depending on how and what lands on your filter. Conceivably, then, the mask can successfully reduce the covid because you accumulate larger particles that block covid. Or, your filter prevents particles that carry covid from getting in. Of course, this will vary from breath to breath, but you are more certainly reducing the incidence of covid infection with a mask then without.

These studies are testing for a condition that does not exist in the real world: air with only aerosolized particles that can get through a mask.

What's next? Hand washing does not work because the stuff stays in the air and not your hands? Do hazmat suits not work now, either? Everything is the same as licking door knobs?

Again, the argument is too stupid to be believed. Next they are going to tell you that covid always hangs in the air at the face-level of a person.

Blogger Damelon Brinn May 23, 2020 9:40 AM  

I'd like to know if this is right or wrong.

In addition to what map said, if anything we think we know about the virus is true, the more important thing is maintaining some distance from people, not letting anyone sneeze or cough on you, washing your hands after touching things in public, etc.

Keep in mind that in the first month of so of this, the CDC was telling people *not* to wear masks because there was a shortage they didn't want to explain. In my area, you didn't see many masks until May, when the governor mandated them after the CDC did a 180. We'd already flattened the curve basically to zero by that point, with nothing more than social distancing and more careful cleanliness. Consider a mask an additional line of defense.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 23, 2020 10:13 AM  

Edjamacator wrote:... I came across this site detailing how even N95 masks don't do anything against a virus.
A mask is going to filter out some stuff. If you are in a contaminated environment, you should assume that all the particles have virus in them. An N95 mask will filter out all the big particles with multiple virus. If it lets through some single virus, you are getting far less virus exposure than if you don't wear a mask. The ``N95 masks don't protect'' should be ``N95 masks don't protect 100%.'' There have been indications that minimal exposure can produce asymptomatic infection and immunity, so partial protection might be better than perfect protection!

Of course, if you are in a non-contaminated environment, it's all moot.
If you are in the 80% who aren't going to get infected if exposed, it's all moot.
If you already had it and are immune, it's all moot.

It's time to quit worrying about this. There are real problems, and this isn't one of them. It's a real virus, but it's not a real problem.

Blogger Crew May 23, 2020 10:33 AM  

Wow. The CDC has released a new document:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios-h.pdf

They discuss five different scenarios, but their so-called 'best estimate' has the Symptomatic Case Fatality Rate (overall) is 0.004, or 0.4%.

However, they also say that their best estimate of the asymptomatic percentage of infections is 35%.

That puts the IFR at 0.0026 overall, or 0.26% which is around the same as the 1957/58 Flu pandemic.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 23, 2020 2:29 PM  

"Conceivably, then, the mask can successfully reduce the covid because you accumulate larger particles that block covid."

If that happened enough to matter, you wouldn't be able to breathe through those masks at all.

"you are more certainly reducing the incidence of covid infection with a mask then without."

I'll buy reducing because they actually do reduce your ability to breathe slightly. The question is, reducing how much? I'd bet less than 10% reduction.

"Again, the argument is too stupid to be believed."

No, the argument is logical. Particularly when you need what-ifs to address it because you have nothing else.

Blogger map May 23, 2020 5:30 PM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:"Conceivably, then, the mask can successfully reduce the covid because you accumulate larger particles that block covid."

If that happened enough to matter, you wouldn't be able to breathe through those masks at all.


No, as you exhale the mask is cleared of whatever particles are accumulated. I am not arguing that the mask traps particles, although I can see why someone may assume I wrote that.

Azure Amaranthine wrote:"you are more certainly reducing the incidence of covid infection with a mask then without."

I'll buy reducing because they actually do reduce your ability to breathe slightly. The question is, reducing how much? I'd bet less than 10% reduction.


I would bet more, simply because the local atmosphere is a very chaotic environment with all kinds of particles competing for space. It is not possible that you would only be inhaling covid viruses.

Imagine you are watching Star Trek Discovery, and the script writers have a female pilot running the ship through an asteroid field. Knowing she can't fail, the script writers include several scenes where smaller asteroids barreling down on the ship are fortuitously intercepted by larger, more massive asteroids, thus confirming to us that women, too, can be pilots and land planes on aircraft carriers.

I imagine the covid virus faces the same environment as that asteroid field.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 23, 2020 8:08 PM  

"No, as you exhale the mask is cleared of whatever particles are accumulated."

Some particles, and this includes the ones you needed to block the others.

"I would bet more, simply because the local atmosphere is a very chaotic environment with all kinds of particles competing for space."

Not at that kind of concentration. Even China's air in a major industrial zone likely isn't bad to that degree. You'd be breathing in enough particles to make a mask of similar volume within a few breaths if it were.

"I imagine the covid virus faces the same environment as that asteroid field."

Funny, considering that the density of particles in air that is breathable without instantly choking is going to be much closer to that of asteroids in a real life belt, which is to say many orders of magnitude lower than your imagination.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 23, 2020 8:11 PM  

Plus, the mask trapping particles is your best case scenario for blocking viral particles.

Plus, it wouldn't matter if they were ALL cleared on every breath, because you need almost all of them to be blocked again nearly instantly on the next inhalation again to present any kind of meaningful obstacle to the viral particles.

^ Basic logic rather than distended what-ifs.

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