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Thursday, June 18, 2020

Antifa's Minneapolis AAR

They're likely to make more intelligent opposition than the average suburban guy with a rifle is anticipating. This is definitely 4GW in action, being utilized to disrupt the US state. Notice how the "peaceful protesters" are not only being used as a shield, but are actively attempting to protect the violent extremists and conceal their activities:
We call the battles of the second and third days at the Precinct a siege because the police were defeated by attrition. The pattern of the battle was characterized by steady intensification punctuated by qualitative leaps due to the violence of the police and the spread of the conflict into looting and attacks on corporate-owned buildings. The combination of the roles listed above helped to create a situation that was unpoliceable, yet which the police were stubbornly determined to contain. The repression required for every containment effort intensified the revolt and pushed it further out into the surrounding area. By Day Three, all of the corporate infrastructure surrounding the Third Precinct had been destroyed and the police had nothing but a “kingdom of ashes” to show for their efforts. Only their Precinct remained, a lonely target with depleted supplies. The rebels who showed up on Day Three found an enemy teetering on the brink. All it needed was a final push.

Day Two of the uprising began with a rally: attendees were on the streets, while the police were stationed on top of their building with an arsenal of crowd control weaponry. The pattern of struggle began during the rally, when the crowd tried to climb over the fences that protected the Precinct in order to vandalize it. The police fired rubber bullets in response as rally speakers called for calm. After some time passed and more speeches were made, people tried again. When the volley of rubber bullets came, the crowd responded with rocks and water bottles. This set off a dynamic of escalation that accelerated quickly once the rally ended. Some called for non-violence and sought to interfere with those who were throwing things, but most people didn’t bother arguing with them. They were largely ignored or else the reply was always the same: “That non-violence shit don’t work!” In fact, neither side of this argument was exactly correct: as the course of the battle was to demonstrate, both sides needed each other to accomplish the historic feat of reducing the Third Precinct to ashes.

It’s important to note that the dynamic we saw on Day Two did not involve using non-violence and waiting for repression to escalate the situation. Instead, a number of individuals stuck their necks out very far to invite police violence and escalation. Once the crowd and the police were locked into an escalating pattern of conflict, the objective of the police was to expand their territorial control radiating outward from the Precinct. When the police decided to advance, they began by throwing concussion grenades at the crowd as a whole and firing rubber bullets at those throwing projectiles, setting up barricades, and firing tear gas.

The intelligence of the crowd proved itself as participants quickly learned five lessons in the course of this struggle.

First, it is important to remain calm in the face of concussion grenades, as they are not physically harmful if you are more than five feet away from them. This lesson extends to a more general insight about crisis governance: don’t panic, as the police will always use panic against us. One must react quickly while staying as calm as possible.

Second, the practice of flushing tear-gassed eyes spread rapidly from street medics throughout the rest of the crowd. Employing stores of looted bottled water, many people in the crowd were able to learn and quickly execute eye-flushing. People throwing rocks one minute could be seen treating the eyes of others in the next. This basic medic knowledge helped to build the crowd’s confidence, allowing them to resist the temptation to panic and stampede, so that they could return to the space of engagement.

Third, perhaps the crowd’s most important tactical discovery was that when one is forced to retreat from tear gas, one must refill the space one has abandoned as quickly as possible. Each time the crowd at the Third Precinct returned, it came back angrier and more determined either to stop the police advance or to make them pay as dearly as possible for every step they took.

Fourth, borrowing from the language of Hong Kong, we saw the crowd practice the maxim “Be water.” Not only did the crowd quickly flow back into spaces from which they had to retreat, but when forced outward, the crowd didn’t behave the way that the cops did by fixating on territorial control. When they could, the crowd flowed back into the spaces from which they had been forced to retreat due to tear gas. But when necessary, the crowd flowed away from police advances like a torrential destructive force. Each police advance resulted in more businesses being smashed, looted, and burned. This meant that the police were losers regardless of whether they chose to remain besieged or push back the crowd.

Finally, the fall of the Third Precinct demonstrates the power of ungovernability as a strategic aim and means of crowd activity. The more that a crowd can do, the harder it will be to police. Crowds can maximize their agency by increasing the number of roles that people can play and by maximizing the complementary relationships between them.

Non-violence practitioners can use their legitimacy to temporarily conceal or shield ballistics squads. Ballistics squads can draw police fire away from those practicing non-violence. Looters can help feed and heal the crowd while simultaneously disorienting the police. In turn, those going head to head with the police can generate opportunities for looting. Light mages can provide ballistics crews with temporary opacity by blinding the police and disabling surveillance drones and cameras. Non-violence practitioners can buy time for barricaders, whose works can later alleviate the need for non-violence to secure the front line.

Here we see that an internally diverse and complex crowd is more powerful than a crowd that is homogenous. We use the term composition to name this phenomenon of maximizing complementary practical diversity. It is distinct from organization because the roles are elective, individuals can shift between them as needed or desired, and there are no leaders to assign or coordinate them. Crowds that form and fight through composition are more effective against the police not only because they tend to be more difficult to control, but also because the intelligence that animates them responds to and evolves alongside the really existing situation on the ground, rather than according to preexisting conceptions of what a battle “ought” to look like. Not only are “compositional” crowds more likely to engage the police in battles of attrition, but they are more likely to have the fluidity that is necessary to win.
Of course, the only reason they won is that the local and state authorities were on their side and preventing the police from taking the sort of actions that allowed the National Guard to easily control and disperse them.

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91 Comments:

Blogger Sun Xhu June 18, 2020 8:04 AM  

"Light mages" - They truly are LARPers.

Blogger jijijeac June 18, 2020 8:10 AM  

eh its minneapolis a multiracial, multicultural city led by globalists, multiculturalists and race reality deniers. don't really feel to sorry for them. they get what they voted for. sometimes progress comes with sacrifices and unfortunately some people don't learn to be pro white or race realistic unless shit really hits the fan. i saw on wikipedia that the city is still 60% non hispanic white. maybe they will change some things. or maybe not. only time will tell

Blogger Dan in Georgia June 18, 2020 8:27 AM  

Seems to me like the "leaders" at least have had some training for these confrontations. This was not a spontaneous demonstration, the cops were not prepared for it, and they knew they did not have the support of city hall in case rioters ended up getting killed.

#BlueFlu everybody. No point supporting people who will throw you under the bus and then charge you with murder.

Blogger Wazdakka June 18, 2020 8:27 AM  

No wonder moral in metro pd's across America is in the gutter.
Unless it's turned around soon the war is already lost.

Blogger Balkan Yankee June 18, 2020 8:31 AM  

"Be like water." Poor advice when facing buckshot, pistol fire, and long range rifle fire in well-policed, well-armed, and non-leftist suburban, exurban, and rural areas.

All Antifa and its BLM allies did was cow the leftist city council of Minneapolis into doing what it was already predisposed to do: Defund law enforcement because there just isn't enough municipal money to spread around anymore due to the coronavirus lockdown.

So what if Antifa wins a few cities with large hungry populations? If Mao were still alive, he would say, "Hey Antifa, you idiots, you have it backwards. You have to control the countryside first, only then will the cities will fall one by one."

Blogger The Fez June 18, 2020 8:34 AM  

What has always amused me about the left / right dynamic is that the left has been spelling out their plans and strategies for decades, yet the talk radio conservatives still wave them off as non-threatening. "They're just a bunch of spoiled brats who will break the moment they see some 'real' violence." That perspective seems silly now, but it is still very prevalent among many on the right.

One of the biggest jobs we have on the right is actually convincing people that groups like Antifa and its affiliates are far more organized and dangerous than they presume. I have been told countless times that I am giving them 'too much credit.' The content Vox is providing will be invaluable in showing people the paramilitary nature of Antifa.

Its time to grab Mr. Suburban guy and start working on small-unit infantry tactics.

Blogger Akulkis June 18, 2020 8:36 AM  

I noted earlier, they are using Mao's tactic: the terrorist swimming through "the people" like a fish swims through water.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 18, 2020 8:38 AM  

There may be more to this than a crowd and Hong Kong rules. From American Partisan: Antifa's field organization.

Blogger Akulkis June 18, 2020 8:45 AM  

I participated in crowd control exercises as both manpower and part of the command-and-control apparatus over 22 years. The Minneapolis cops did absolutely everything wrong. Once the rock- (lethal weapon) throwing started, they should have switched from rubber bullets to having their rooftop snipers track and surgically remove the rock-throwers.

Most of the "peaceful" crowd will scatter once it becomes apparent that lethal force is being met with lethal force.

Blogger xevious2030 June 18, 2020 8:50 AM  

The movements follow the tenants of Maneuver Warfare, a brilliant Handbook. The rest is orchestration, script. The lesson is not to play their game. Play actual 4th generation warfare. Make it more than one side in control of the pieces. Until then, it is all state controlled action, globalist deep state, with what is another Bush versus Clinton narrative. The followers of the two, B, C, playing the parts of the fools.

Blogger Grooveware June 18, 2020 8:56 AM  

What's happening in America is coming to Europe, I have prepared as much as I can to defend my family and home. The Small Hats are all in at this moment, where it's to much confidence or desperation, they want the war to start and it has.

Blogger VD Bear June 18, 2020 8:56 AM  

“Of course, the only reason they won is that the local and state authorities were on their side and preventing the police from taking the sort of actions that allowed the National Guard to easily control and disperse them.“

It’s all predicated on knowing your enemy will “follow the rules” while you will do what is required to win. Don’t play their game, don’t go LARP on their turf.

Blogger SamuraiJeff June 18, 2020 9:12 AM  

As much as I hate these guys for ruining our country, I can recognize that it must be fun to be a "light mage" and fight the cops like a videogame

Blogger ZhukovG June 18, 2020 9:16 AM  

Fascinating, a kind of street fighting 'combined arms' approach. If used against a suburb, particularly with armed residents, the result could be disastrous.

If the residents defend their neighborhood, the 'non-violent' shield will take casualties. This will provide the media with video of 'Evil Whites' massacring 'innocent' Protesters of Color.

If the residents fail to defend their neighborhood; it's burned and looted. The media will 'somehow' feel this is not newsworthy. The ferals will be emboldened.

This could be a very interesting summer.

Ultimately, I think the Trotskyists are overplaying their hand and they will be crushed. But, there could be some really bad stuff that goes down getting to that point.

Ad Victoriam, Deo Vindice, Ave Caesar Trump!

Blogger urthshu June 18, 2020 9:18 AM  

That crimethinc site has the entire plan outline and it's way beyond just this. Their ambition is nothing less than a proper communist revolution including breakup of families and gulags or extermination. After reading it I reflected on what an awful strategic position my family is in - easily boxed in and herded to out of sight areas. A quiet and beautiful place but we'll probably have to go.

Blogger Doktor Jeep June 18, 2020 9:18 AM  

Enemy people.

Blogger Kraemer June 18, 2020 9:36 AM  

This particular strategy requires crazy manpower and supplies. They had to loot during the battle just to sustain the effort. I'd wager they outnumbered the third precinct at least ten to one, if not more. Hence this approach is limited to urban areas with easy looting and hesitant opposition. BB's response of know thy neighbors and learn to shoot should stop any such tactics from working outside the urban hellholes.

Blogger Johnny June 18, 2020 9:42 AM  

If this thing blows up then the two cities with the biggest problem are both female led. Outcomes even worse than the deplorable leadership in New York.

Blogger Firewire June 18, 2020 9:48 AM  

I would LOVE to read Martin van Creveld's take on this. It sounds, in many ways like Israel vs. Hezbollah.

Blogger Stilicho June 18, 2020 9:51 AM  

The police clearly thought and operated in terms of defending territory/static defense for the most part. It's fine to have strong points to defend essential areas and attract enemy action, but the focus has to be on attacking the enemy's vulnerabilities and destroying his will to fight.

Blogger American Nationalist June 18, 2020 10:02 AM  

They may have good tactics, but they don't have firepower. If it came to a REAL fight, all you'd need is a few M4s and M240Bs and they'd run for the hills, being cut down like wheat.

Blogger Darren June 18, 2020 10:10 AM  

"we all saw the same things that helped us win. Thousands of people shared the experience of these battles. We hope that they will carry the memory of how to fight. But the time of combat and the celebration of victory is incommensurable with the habits, spaces, and attachments of everyday life and its reproduction. It is frightening how distant the event already feels from us. Our purpose here is to preserve the strategy that proved victorious against the Minneapolis Third Precinct."
Oh that accurate wording. Yet the Baghdad Bobs on cable news and NormieCon Inc. Will still refuse to acknowledge that this is War.

Blogger ar10308 June 18, 2020 10:22 AM  

Vox's observation is key. They won because forces were restrained from stopping them.
A group of rural and suburban white guys could display equal or more complexity, but using lethal force of rifles and force multipliers like vehicles for transport and drones for scouting. Right now, they are restrained from enter the fight and fray. Also, they're quite content to Democrat voters burn down the Democrat cities they voted for.

There is also a compelling video by Garand Thumb interviewing the guy who disarmed 2 AntiFa who had found themselves with police patrol rifles. His observation is that these people aren't hardened to the level they think they are. Yet.

https://youtu.be/IXoGzJZw4Z4

Blogger John Rockwell June 18, 2020 10:32 AM  

If the Local and State Government is Democrat. Its occupied hostile territory.

Blogger Zastavnik Džemo June 18, 2020 10:32 AM  

"First, with the exception of the street medics, the power and success of those who fought the Third Precinct did not depend on their experience in “organizing” or in organizations.
Rather, it resulted from unaffiliated individuals and groups courageously stepping into roles that complemented each other and seizing opportunities as they arose."

Young(under 30) people are literally idiots, they really believe this bullshit.
I know because as a kid(16) I was part of Soros paid color revolution against my own country. We all believed Soros stories were just bad government propaganda. Every night cops would come and confiscate ALL our printing equipment and computers and other stuff. And every morning we would magically get brand new computers and material. It takes tones of money and logistics to do revolutions, and revolutionaries/useful-idiots never ask any questions because they think they are the cool kids that are going to make a world a better place. And sure we did, we changed our country from "bad" communism to "good" kleptocracy.
Basically the same shit that happened to Russia.

In retrospect the China was the only country that properly reacted at that time == Tiananmen Square.
Good for them, they will be top dog soon.

Blogger Shane Bradman June 18, 2020 10:44 AM  

Peaceful protesters and gentle savages share one similarity. Neither exist.

Blogger Up from the pond June 18, 2020 10:46 AM  

#WhiteStrike

Blogger Jim the Curmudgeon June 18, 2020 10:47 AM  

Agree, people underestimate Antifa and urban black youth. It is interesting that the FBI, in its reports on gang activity within the military, did not fall into the same trap. They warned that a lot of the black street gangs (Gangster Disciples, etc) have members embedded in the military. It is also noteworthy that Antifa-types have fought with the Kurds and with factions in Syria.

The white guys with rifles haven't done enough reading in 4GW. The best urban battlefield weapon is not the rifle - it's the car bomb. A few well placed car bombs and this whole 'crowd flowing like water' stuff is finished. Impossible to detect, easy to construct. The IRA and various middle east factions know fully well the value of this type of weapon. Add IEDs, drones dropping explosives, etc.

I have no doubt that the Antifa types are aware of this, but they also know that they won't be on the receiving end any time soon. They have the full support of corporate America, much of the government, a significant chunk of federal law enforcement, etc. The rioters have are winning the battle when it comes to making the state look impotent, if not complicit.

Burning buildings is indeed a great tactic for diverting police attention as they have to protect firefighters who put out the blazes. The Somalis in Sweden (etc) also use this approach. The problem, of course, is that you now have neighborhoods with no stores. They know full well that there will be endless outpourings of cash to rebuild these shattered areas. Cut off the cash flow and you'll see a counter movement by local residents, like the Latin Kings street gang in Chicago.

Blogger pyrrhus June 18, 2020 10:50 AM  

The guys with rifles are well aware that they will need to use Napoleanic methods against the likes of Antifa, but can't until deep state support for these criminals has been attenuated...

Blogger Nostromo June 18, 2020 11:07 AM  

I prefer .223, and .45 warfare. Trumps 4th gen warfare every time. Or as Iron Mike says, "Everyone ha'f a plan 'til you busts d'em in de' mou'f"

Blogger Moniker J June 18, 2020 11:24 AM  

"Undercover Investigation Minneapolis Riot Was Preplanned"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MmS-72YQKM

Apparently the "Sunrise" movement recruiting teenage youth is informed by a business which consults on 4GW to both protest organizations and Law Enforcement -- playing both sides. This video includes AOC on a zoom meeting post-riot, apparently approving of workers who organized for conflict in Minneapolis in advance.

There is also a hint in this video that Joe Biden is a manipulatable asset based upon multiple me-too claims which are not public, and used for leverage e.g. get AOC into more influential position in a Biden administration.

Blogger Akulkis June 18, 2020 11:30 AM  

>> Seems to me like the "leaders" at least have had some training for these confrontations. This was not a spontaneous demonstration,

When you see the same TTPs (Tactics, Techniques, and Procedures), that indicates a centralized training organization (maybe not all trained at the same place, but definitely all trained by people who all trained at the same place (most likely at the Midwest Academy
https://www.midwestacademy.com/).

Identical TTPs across the country doesn't happen by accident. The propositioned pallets of bricks and FROZEN water bottlers is the most obvious, but also the actions of the Panti-Fags.)

Blogger Akulkis June 18, 2020 11:38 AM  

>> No wonder moral in metro pd's across America is in the gutter.
Unless it's turned around soon the war is already lost.

Seriously? Because if the 0.01% who are cops can't stop leftists riots (due to stand-down orders), then everything is lost.

SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH THAT LOSER-TALK.

If the cops can't stop this, then at that point, the war has JUST BEGUN.

Michigan's deer hunters alone, if put in uniform, would constitute the 4th largest army ON THE PLANET. And that doesn't even count the rest of us in Michigan who own rifles but don't hunt deer.

Go write for National Review. I hear David French needs more petrified bow-tie wearers.

Blogger Unknown June 18, 2020 11:39 AM  

Antifa is merely using the tactics of the Palestinians. Putting women and children in the front lines to generate a sympathetic front while the "terrorist arm" was creating assaults and mass destruction. The "peaceful" Palestinians would condemn the actions of the terrorists while being sympathetic. While the world allied supported the "peaceful" determination, the Israelis and their government knew who their foe really was.

Blogger ADS June 18, 2020 11:41 AM  

Equip marksmen with precision rifles and target all rock/molotov throwers. A camera that cowitnesses with the scope (see airsofter videos for examples) to record engagements and prove that the fire was targeting violent instigators to counter media narratives. Dress infiltrators as antifa to move freely through the crowd and eliminate ringleaders, as well as violently attacking any media presence to eliminate the propaganda arm while insuring any video broadcast out is tainted with false flag antifa vs reporter optics. Antifa-dressed counter media livestreaming cell phone video of violent rioters. Clear areas with tear gas and advance a line of police MRAPs at transmission speed to prevent the ground from being retaken. Deck gun of a fire engine spraying flame retardant foam mix does double duty of protecting buildings and making the area untenable for rioters. Pre-staged prison busses to remove arrested rioters to a remote location for processing, combined with interdiction of interstates to intercept bussed-in rioters, reducing bad actors by attrition. Cell service shutdown to disrupt enemy comms and limit propaganda collection. Electrical service shutdown to force protesters to bring flashlights and increase their command and control difficulties. Plenty of options for a police department to effectively fight these tactics, but all require a willing and spirited police department backed up by local government. Antifa success so far is completely dependent on handicapped police, sympathetic politicians, and allied media narratives.

Blogger Akulkis June 18, 2020 11:41 AM  

>> One of the biggest jobs we have on the right is actually convincing people that groups like Antifa and its affiliates are far more organized and dangerous than they presume. I have been told countless times that I am giving them 'too much credit.' The content Vox is providing will be invaluable in showing people the paramilitary nature of Antifa.

They are dangerous ONLY SO LONG as nobody does anything.

So far, 2 Panti-fags have been shot in the chest for attempting to use deadly force on the men who shot them.

This is only beginning.

Blogger urthshu June 18, 2020 11:44 AM  

>Play actual 4th generation warfare.

I think it would take one pithy post by Q to set it off. "The way is clear. Get them now."

Blogger braq June 18, 2020 11:52 AM  

Many of these tactics were honed and shared during the months-long Dakota Access Pipeline "protests", and probably during the Occupy Wall Street operation as well. Professional black-block provocateurs are highly trained and social media allows them to disseminate information and adapt very quickly to shifting events.

"Medics", safe-houses, pre-positioned supplies, different corps of agitators with corps-specific offensive/defensive tactics, all orchestrated and organized by Soros-paid/trained/funded lawyers and registered non-profit groups. This is domestic terrorism and there is no effective response available beyond recognizing it as such and acting accordingly.

I don't hold out much hope that Trump or any of the converged federal law enforcement agencies will be able or willing to do so. The entire federal apparatus is so highly converged - judiciary, congress, executive - that any such attempts have been and will continue to be attacked and shut down via manipulation of the moribund "legal" system, which serves only TPTB. Fake impeachment based on a subversive coup attempt, treasonous Supreme Court rulings violating the separation of powers on DACA (and a dozen other cases), lawsuits for trying to enforce a border, civil rights granted to self-proclaimed leprechauns and multi-gendered furries, kneeling female Latinx police chiefs and mayors galore.

In my view things are going to get much worse before (or if) they get better. Schlichter's "People's Repuplic" is looking more prescient every day.

Blogger Akulkis June 18, 2020 12:14 PM  

Looks like the generals weren't treasonous after all. All part of a giant head-fake.

https://mobile.twitter.com/catesduane/status/1270005444015280128

Blogger Barbarossa June 18, 2020 12:35 PM  

If the cops can't stop this, then at that point, the war has JUST BEGUN.

Exactly. For so many of us, our hand is stayed from drawing the sword from the scabbard from a vestigial respect for the admittedly frayed American way, hoping that somehow the ship will right itself. Law enforcement finds itself in the unenviable position of having ordinary citizens look to it as a mechanism for correcting what has gone wrong but also being feared as the coercive agents behind what has gone wrong.

If the police get sidelined, then it's them versus us, and it won't matter how many orphans, bunnies, puppies or ducklings they throw into the front line as a screen.

Blogger Wanderor June 18, 2020 12:36 PM  

"Here we see that an internally diverse and complex crowd is more powerful than a crowd that is homogenous. We use the term composition to name this phenomenon of maximizing complementary practical diversity. It is distinct from organization because the roles are elective, individuals can shift between them as needed or desired, and there are no leaders to assign or coordinate them."

Is it correct to say that this was the same strategy employed by GamerGate?

Blogger Akulkis June 18, 2020 12:59 PM  

>> If the residents defend their neighborhood, the 'non-violent' shield will take casualties. This will provide the media with video of 'Evil Whites' massacring 'innocent' Protesters of Color.


The left has long planned to use the blacks as the Revolutionary Vanguard (i.e. shocktroops), and just like the Nazis (who they study endlessly), they give mothers of the future R.V. free food and housing for pumping out as many as possible (compare to how the Nazi Party would give the same to any woman who got pregnant by a member of the SS).

Most blacks have no clue how they are basically being bred to be the left's cannon fodder.

Blogger thethirdcoast June 18, 2020 1:02 PM  

Gotta run, but I would merely point out that the experience of the US Army Rangers and Delta Force in Mogadishu '93 and the experience of the ex-Spec Ops contractors at the Benghazi embassy show exactly what a well-trained, highly-outnumbered bunch of white guys with rifles can achieve in the urban battlefield.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 18, 2020 1:03 PM  

Thankfully we have nostromo to explain the generations of warfare.

Blogger thethirdcoast June 18, 2020 1:05 PM  

Akulkis wrote:Looks like the generals weren't treasonous after all. All part of a giant head-fake.


I really, really hope you're right about this. A Seven Days in May scenario led by a coterie of pozzed up flag officers would be horrific on many levels.

Blogger camcleat June 18, 2020 1:14 PM  

Akulkis wrote:
Most of the "peaceful" crowd will scatter once it becomes apparent that lethal force is being met with lethal force.


While that is true, it is also short sighted.

At this point in time, that will lose the Moral Level. The propaganda crap-storm that would follow would be horrendous.

This was recently discussed in regard to Trump's restraint.

Right now, they are mostly burning blue cities and hurting each other. Meanwhile, we gain chips in the Moral Level game since more and more are being redpilled to what is really happening.

I may be wrong, but on the balance right now, I think our Moral Level momentum is far exceeding theirs. They've shot their wad and are redpilling Normies left and right.

Also, notice how no one is talking about the Democratic Primary, Biden, AOC, Omar, et al? They are completely out of the news cycle, a sideline.

Blogger Joe June 18, 2020 1:15 PM  

"Seems to me like the "leaders" at least have had some training for these confrontations. This was not a spontaneous demonstration, the cops were not prepared for it, and they knew they did not have the support of city hall in case rioters ended up getting killed."

This has obviously been planned and prepared for years, probably decades.

Here's an interesting interview that explains how communists historically take over countries, detailing the same tactics that we are experiencing right now:

https://youtu.be/bvLW4IYhgaw?t=3345

Blogger Akulkis June 18, 2020 1:40 PM  

>> The police clearly thought and operated in terms of defending territory/static defense for the most part. It's fine to have strong points to defend essential areas and attract enemy action, but the focus has to be on attacking the enemy's vulnerabilities and destroying his will to fight.

Police snipers are failing to take out the platoon, company, and battalion commanders, all of whom are glaringly obvious as they're constantly fiddling with electronics and have bicyclists (who are very out of place in a riot) visiting and then leaving them.

Take out the crooks who are directing all of this, and the whole thing falls apart very rapidly.

Blogger PaulSacramento June 18, 2020 1:47 PM  

Everyone has a plan, until they get hit.
The protesters and the like have NOT gotten hit, yet.
Thing is, they probably won't.

Blogger Max Blancke June 18, 2020 1:49 PM  

There is certainly planning involved.
However, their main advantage is that although they are openly at war with us, we will go to almost any length to avoid fighting back. We have homes and lives and families and are very conflict averse.
Since the police do not seem to want to protect anyone,and the hard left will be unlikely to stop escalating, we may find that there are limits to that conflict aversion.
My community is very rural. We don't have much in the way of paved roads or parks, but we have a first rate public gun range. A very large percentage of the local population goes there regularly. It is likely that any random 16 year old chosen from our population can consistently hit targets at 500 yards and beyond. Many of us are combat veterans, and know exactly what it is like to clear an urban building of armed insurgents and IEDs.
The AntiFa folks have a lot of practice fighting an urban enemy who refuses to fight back. My experience is that those tactics will be fairly useless against any real enemy.

Blogger Gen. Kong June 18, 2020 1:53 PM  

ar10308 wrote:

Vox's observation is key. They won because forces were restrained from stopping them.

A group of rural and suburban white guys could display equal or more complexity, but using lethal force of rifles and force multipliers like vehicles for transport and drones for scouting. Right now, they are restrained from enter the fight and fray. Also, they're quite content to Democrat voters burn down the Democrat cities they voted for.


Vox's observations bracketing the quoted text are indeed key. Suburban whites with guns will not be allowed to defend even their own homes, families or lives since the police and those who give them orders nearly everywhere are clearly in league with Antifa, BLM and Mockingbird Media. Note what they did do a guy who pulled a gun on dindu trespassers in Spotsylvania County, VA. The kind of brute force actually required to deal with Antifa - which basically involves killing lots of them - can't take place until the criminal occupation regime and media are destroyed. As noted by Eric Striker on Unz, a virtually parallel case in Shenandoah County took place where a black pulled a gun on white trespassers. The police behavior was completely different, with the black not bothered and the whites charged with additional crimes by the Sherriff in Gov. Coonman's soviet bantustan.

Remember the big march for 2nd amendment rights in January?? Coonman's government and its rubber-stamp parliament have been passing gun laws left and right ever since the great show. In yet another example of typical conservative behavior, not a single county in the Coonmanwealth of Coomnanistan has seceded from the wretched shithole and joined West Virginia, despite invites from the neighboring state.

Blogger Akulkis June 18, 2020 2:11 PM  

>> Is it correct to say that this was the same strategy employed by GamerGate?

No. On the internet, there are no layered formations of using "innocent" human shields to protect those making direct attacks.

Blogger Jack Amok June 18, 2020 2:11 PM  

No wonder moral in metro pd's across America is in the gutter.
Unless it's turned around soon the war is already lost.


Cheer up Sparky. The police were never going to be fighting this war, certainly not on our side, not as cops anyway, though some will as private citizens.

Blogger Unknown June 18, 2020 2:17 PM  

"Michigan's deer hunters alone, if put in uniform, would constitute the 4th largest army ON THE PLANET."

LOL shut the hell up. If Michigan deer hunters harm one hair on the head of a black rioter, they will be labeled a white supremacist militia, and given the Weaver/Waco treatment. And your boys Trump and Barr will be right there signing executive orders to make it happen.


"So far, 2 Panti-fags have been shot in the chest for attempting to use deadly force on the men who shot them."

And the whites who shot them will be going to prison for a very long time.

Blogger Jack Amok June 18, 2020 2:33 PM  

Ultimately, I think the Trotskyists are overplaying their hand and they will be crushed. But, there could be some really bad stuff that goes down getting to that point.

I agree. They've crossed a rubicon of sorts by insisting everyone parrot their message. For decades, Right wing folks have decided debating lunatics was pointless and retreated to the suburbs, exurbs and rural areas, and their own private spheres. Leftists have declared that isn't an option any more.

They're like Ray Rice's fiancee, not letting him walk away and getting up in his face in the elevator. Didn't work out great for either of them.

The best urban battlefield weapon is not the rifle - it's the car bomb.

Plus, car bombs can have ambiguous "authorship" so to speak. BOOOM! followed by claims it's infighting among the protest crowd? BOOM! followed by claims it's Russians trying to stir up trouble? BOOM! followed by claims it's Antifa blowing up black people and trying to blame it on White people?

Also, Hertz just declared bankruptcy. They have half a million cars in their fleet. I wonder how well guarded those lots are these days? I mean, a car bomber wouldn't want to use their own car.

Blogger Damelon Brinn June 18, 2020 2:52 PM  

"They're just a bunch of spoiled brats who will break the moment they see some 'real' violence."

That's still true, at least of most of them. They're winning these skirmishes because they're fighting on their own territory against forces they know have been told to go easy on them because they're on the same side.

That's not to say they're harmless, or that you shouldn't take them seriously if they ever come your direction. Even a spoiled toddler can do damage if someone sticks a weapon in his hands.

Blogger Arthur Isaac June 18, 2020 3:10 PM  

These tactics would obviously have to be adapted to a live fire engagement. A difficult time to adapt. Especially when you you're starving because supplies are no longer arriving at your autonomous zone.

Blogger liberranter June 18, 2020 3:14 PM  

If Mao were still alive, he would say, "Hey Antifa, you idiots, you have it backwards. You have to control the countryside first, only then will the cities will fall one by one."

Won't work in most of America. Armed rural folks will turn Antifa invaders into lead-filled buzzard feed.

Blogger Akulkis June 18, 2020 4:10 PM  

>> This has obviously been planned and prepared for years, probably decades.

Since the 1960's riots. This is the First-wave BOOMER HIPPIES' LAST CHANCE to see, all the way through, the civil war/revolution that they have been babbling to each other about since the late 1960's.

David Horowitz, long ago, when he was still a red-diaper baby commie, was writing a book about the American Revolution. His commie father was just ecstatic -- "What do you think it will be like?"

"Not that revolution, Dad, the one in 1776!"

His father's reaction that was significantly less than enthusiastic.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 18, 2020 4:18 PM  

Unknown wrote:LOL shut the hell up. If Michigan deer hunters harm one hair on the head of a black rioter, they will be labeled a white supremacist militia, and given the Weaver/Waco treatment.
That is only possible if the Micheganders choose to let it happen.

If one little group stands up for themselves, they can be Wacoed. If even a few hundred individuals stand up for themselves, it's all over for Antifa and TPTB.
Unknown wrote:And your boys Trump and Barr will be right there signing executive orders to make it happen.
If any substantial number of people in even one state were to act, the feral government would be powerless to stop them.

Those are two huge ifs, and they are wildly implausible today, but at the rate we're going, they may not be so implausible in just a few weeks. Trump is obviously waiting for things to get worse. So are a lot of well armed people. We'll see who gets forced into action first.

Blogger Akulkis June 18, 2020 4:20 PM  

>> LOL shut the hell up. If Michigan deer hunters harm one hair on the head of a black rioter, they will be labeled a white supremacist militia, and given the Weaver/Waco treatment. And your boys Trump and Barr will be right there signing executive orders to make it happen.


You know, if the cops come to arrest my neighbor down the street, I'm not waiting until they come to my door to start picking them off.

You're a moron if you think white suburbia is going to sit by idly and let their local police act as enemy agents in a civil war.

About a year ago, the Houston PD did a no-knock raid on a white couple ... killed both of the elderly residents of the home. But not before the husband took out 4 cops permanently. As in funerals.

The next day, the mayor of Houston ordered an end to no-knock raids.

You don't seem to get it. All the white rifle-owning suburbanites have to do kill one cop, and in no time, the local PD will be eradicated. 200 cops vs (200,000 residents with 5% rifle ownership = 10,000) are NOT odds in the cops' favor.

Blogger Akulkis June 18, 2020 4:21 PM  

>>And the whites who shot them will be going to prison for a very long time.

A jury is going to convict a man who was being attacked with a heavy skate board and a crowd yelling "we're going to kill you!"

Not a chance.

Blogger Balam June 18, 2020 4:28 PM  

The imposed restraint or the cops reminds me of the imposed rules on the US troops in the middle east. The cops are more poorly trained and worse stock of character but at least Antifa isn't IEDing them and hitting their families yet. Both sides are waiting for the other to make a collossal moral mistake and it's hard to decide between a) beleaguered spoiled cops on a power trip vs b) emboldened spoiled socialists getting attention for the first time.

Will the cops Boston massacre some antifa on TV first, or will antifa pull a 9/11 before them? In this case the cops would have been better off bribing the local kitten club animal shelter to defend the station and then move in with extreme prejudice once the cameras catch antifa stomping little kittie heads against the curb.

Blogger Balkan Yankee June 18, 2020 4:33 PM  

@58: Precisely.

Blogger Avalanche June 18, 2020 4:36 PM  

Semi-OT: the Brits are picking it up:

George Floyd protests: Who are Boogaloo Bois, antifa and Proud Boys?
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-53018201

Blogger God Emperor Memes June 18, 2020 4:43 PM  

These people would last about 60 seconds against a company of Marines *if stupid ROE weren't in place*

Blogger map June 18, 2020 4:46 PM  

Unknown wrote:LOL shut the hell up. If Michigan deer hunters harm one hair on the head of a black rioter, they will be labeled a white supremacist militia, and given the Weaver/Waco treatment. And your boys Trump and Barr will be right there signing executive orders to make it happen.

You're not seeing how this going to evolve. The whites who defended themselves are following a self-defense procedure...waiting at the scene while police come to resolve the problem. That will change going forward.

This is all rule-following behavior. No one has started using Antifa tactics against them.

Blogger Hammerli 280 June 18, 2020 5:07 PM  

COL Cooper may have been on the right track with his idea of suppressed .22 rifle fire. Shoot the agitators...in a way that makes it very hard to track who did it.

And if a "reporter" gets tagged...well, they are the enemy center of gravity.

Blogger Avalanche June 18, 2020 5:28 PM  

@9 "they should have switched from rubber bullets to having their rooftop snipers track and surgically remove the rock-throwers."

From your keyboard to Saint Michael's sword arm!!

Blogger Avalanche June 18, 2020 5:36 PM  

@21 "a few M4s and M240Bs and they'd run for the hills,"

We don't want them out here in the hills -- clean 'em out where yah found 'em; then feed 'em to the hogs.

Blogger Paradise Lost June 18, 2020 5:50 PM  

Project Veritas infiltrated Antifa over a long period of time. They have been training for years and recieve money from European connections. The counter intelligence training they have is similar to FBI tactics.
Don't be surprised to find deep state connections.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants June 18, 2020 6:01 PM  

Not even making it into the rural countryside. They'll get their stuff pushed in if they hit the well armed suburbs in certain parts of the US.
Going into the Atlanta suburbs is a good way to get shot. Same with Philly, Florida, and judging by the last couple of weeks, parts of Cali.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants June 18, 2020 6:11 PM  

People are clueless s to how many folks are armed up, living in the hills and plains
of Kentucky, Tennessee, Georgia, Ohio, Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Pennsylvania, W Virginia, Kansas, etc.
They mind their own business and quietly follow laws and are good contributing citizens, until they aren't.

Blogger VFM #7634 June 18, 2020 6:18 PM  

If Mao were still alive, he would say, "Hey Antifa, you idiots, you have it backwards. You have to control the countryside first, only then will the cities will fall one by one."

Won't work in most of America. Armed rural folks will turn Antifa invaders into lead-filled buzzard feed.


Yes. Also why the Communists lost to Franco in Spain, and won in 'Nam.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants June 18, 2020 6:19 PM  

Antifa and BLM are def not Afghanis or ISIS hiding in the Syrian mountains, lol. If you take them to a truly rural area and it becomes wooded and pitch black without any city lights, Transpo, or cell service, they will lose their d*mn minds.
All you have to do to outrun BLM is jump into a deep lake. :)

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants June 18, 2020 6:23 PM  

You're obviously correct, but I think he was referring to a time post police. Right now if white people try and join together, they will most certainly Waco'd and any individual small groups they deem dangerous will be Ruby Ridge'd.
Now is NOT the time for all of that.
That comes much,much later.

Blogger Avalanche June 18, 2020 6:55 PM  

@54 " If Michigan deer hunters harm one hair on the head of a black rioter, they will be labeled a white supremacist militia, and given the Weaver/Waco treatment."

Guess you haven't read up on the Revolutionary War? Where the Brits were all lined up, and the "militias" shot out from the woods and then faded away, over and over? "Breaking the rules" of gentlemen's warfighting?

Why do you think the deer hunters would stand around and wait for the arresting officers? Why do you think the 'arresting' officers wouldn't be in the same militia, ALSO protecting their homes and families?

Blogger Damelon Brinn June 18, 2020 6:56 PM  

You're not seeing how this going to evolve.

He's not trying to. He's a demoralization troll. "Your boys Trump and Barr" should have been enough indication.

Blogger Paul M June 18, 2020 6:58 PM  

The terrorist swimming in a sea of nonviolent allies is also how Islam works. Most Muslims would never burn a church. But they'd shelter and protect one that does - it's their duty.

Blogger Rocklea Marina June 18, 2020 7:39 PM  

Black Block tactics are sound. Getting shot would be considered a strategic victory.

Blogger Jack Amok June 18, 2020 8:13 PM  

Black Block tactics are sound. Getting shot would be considered a strategic victory.

One Antifa guy in one place getting shot might be a 4GW victory. Hundreds in multiple places at the same time would be a crushing defeat.

The enemy's greatest 4GW advantage at the moment is the belief (on both sides) that next to nobody is willing to shoot them. I don't know if that belief is true or false, or if it might go from true to false in the near future, but if either side stops believing in it, it'll be a different battle.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 18, 2020 8:15 PM  

Zeroh Tollrants wrote:People are clueless s to how many folks are armed up, ...

They mind their own business and quietly follow laws and are good contributing citizens, until they aren't.

Some of them probably do follow laws. They are part of the problem.

Some of them are probably doing what's right. That looks a lot like following the law, until it doesn't. Folks who do what's right are going to wind up part of the solution.
Zeroh Tollrants wrote:Right now if white people try and join together, they will most certainly Waco'd and any individual small groups they deem dangerous will be Ruby Ridge'd.
One group could be Wacoed. One group with a few other groups backing them would be the end of the cops and TPTB.

It's really not going to take much to take out law enforcement. Just one Dorner had every cop in LA in a blind panic, and Dorner was an affirmative action idiot. Imagine if two or three groups of a dozen+ intelligent people each started targeting their badged enemies. Imagine if every SWAT raid got shot up from behind as they stacked up on somebody's porch. Imagine cops who are in it for the pension and the graft realizing they aren't likely to live long enough to collect.

Blogger Kevin June 18, 2020 8:39 PM  

I watched how they used "peaceful protestors" to close the gap with the police line. Then the terrorists started throwing bricks with maximum effectiveness.

The police should have just shot the human shields.

Blogger Wanderor June 18, 2020 8:50 PM  

@52 That is a good point, thanks. I was more focused on the aspect of leaderless formation composed of diverse individuals adapting to the situation on the ground.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 19, 2020 3:08 AM  

"LOL shut the hell up. If Michigan deer hunters harm one hair on the head of a black rioter, they will be labeled a white supremacist militia, and given the Weaver/Waco treatment."

That'd happen about once, and then feds would start disappearing as people made them. This is not a "still have space to flex" scenario, this is a reflexive "us or them NOWNOWNOW" scenario. The feds depend on local cooperation which would suddenly need fertilizer rather than bullsh**.

Blogger Damelon Brinn June 19, 2020 7:07 AM  

The enemy's greatest 4GW advantage at the moment is the belief (on both sides) that next to nobody is willing to shoot them.

I think lots of people are willing, even eager to shoot them. But no one wants to be the *first*, because that's what the left, the media, and the cucks are waiting for, and they will destroy him and his family in a flurry of anti-racist, anti-white propaganda and virtue-signaling. He might be remembered as a hero someday, or simply forgotten. But in his lifetime, he would take it in the shorts.

Blogger xevious2030 June 19, 2020 7:39 AM  

“They won because forces were restrained from stopping them.”

The name of this skit, Rocky and Bullwinkle style, is “Creating and Measuring the Cuck,” or, “It’s ok to burn, we gotch your back.”

Blogger Canadian Warlord June 19, 2020 7:56 AM  

Suburbs are the inflection point here. If pantiefa takes the fight to the people that the media is trying to make feel guilt, then they will have passed through their own looking glass.

Blogger Akulkis June 19, 2020 6:34 PM  

"Black Block tactics are sound. Getting shot would be considered a strategic victory."

Until they run out of cannon-fodder.

In a several-thousand person mob, there's only about 100 Panty-fags.

Blogger Bobiojimbo June 19, 2020 10:00 PM  

"Black Block tactics are sound. Getting shot would be considered a strategic victory."

The thought has occurred to me that they do want to be martyrs, they just don't actually want to die.

Are there no peaceful protests? It seems to me that every peaceful protest is a screen for sort of evil.

Blogger Damelon Brinn June 20, 2020 11:17 AM  

Are there no peaceful protests?

Tea Party. They even cleaned up after themselves. That's the problem with conservative or right-wing protests: they actually play it straight and aren't just a cover for effective action.

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