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Monday, July 06, 2020

Daily Beast interview with Owen Benjamin

The Daily Beast interviewed Owen Benjamin about the Patreon lawsuit filed against 72 of its users who backed him. The piece was originally supposed to run on June 24, but apparently never appeared on the site. So, Owen sent me the interview to post for your reading pleasure here.

DB: Patreon says you urged your fans to file claims against Patreon to punish the site, through arbitration costs, for ending your account? Do you think that's a fair account of what happened?

OB: Not at all. Patreon violated their rights just as it violated my rights when it tortiously interfered with the separate legal contract between me and them. They are exercising their right to legal redress, which Patreon mandated be done through arbitration, just as I am. It's not their fault, or my fault, that Patreon's lawyers were dumb enough to impose a legal structure on its users that literally guarantees its own bankruptcy.

Did your fans realize, when they filed the arbitration complaints, that they could potentially get sued? It strikes me that some of these people might not have realized their names and locations would be outed. In that way, do you think this plan backfired?

No. Nor did I, because they shouldn't be getting sued in the first place, much less sued in a group action. The only reason Patreon brought the lawsuit now is to try to dox and harass them into withdrawing, because it has been losing every decision related to my arbitration and their arbitrations for the last six months. But I guess if you're going bankrupt, you might as well go down swinging.

Do you have plans to cover your fans' legal fees or expenses?

Of course. And we'll set up a legal defense fund if that turns out to be necessary, which it probably won't. Remember, the Patreon Terms of Use specifically bar group actions, and what Patreon filed is a group action.

Feel free to add anything else on the case you'd like to share.

Your readers may not be fans of mine, but they should be aware that Patreon has repeatedly attempted to strip the California consumer protections from ALL of its creators and is also trying to strip legal rights from all four million of its users. The lawsuit isn't the first time they've doxxed people either; they sent me the complete account information for 2,700 complete strangers - someone else's patrons - as a result of a data breach.

The real story here is that there probably won't be a Patreon by the time this is over.  Their CEO openly admits that their business model isn't sustainable, their numbers reported on Graphtreon suggest they're losing something like $1.5 million every month, and I've been told they have already received hundreds of notices of arbitrations unrelated to my situation. I think this lawsuit is mostly their outside counsel trying to keep the checks coming in for a little while longer.

You've been described as "alt right" and engaging in "Holocaust denial" in articles, including Bethany Mandel's in the Jewish Telegraphic Agency. Do you think those are accurate descriptions?

I raise goats, I tell jokes, and I voted for Obama. I don't know who Bethany Mandel is, but since I am a history major, I'll bet I know a lot more about World War II history than she does. You know perfectly well those are not accurate descriptions.

For a considerably less-informed take on the situation, read the Daily Dot article, which manages to get everything wrong from the very start and commits two egregious errors in the first seven words of the headline.

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49 Comments:

Blogger A rebel without a General July 06, 2020 9:10 PM  

They never ran this because they couldn't get him to say the right words.

Blogger VFM Bear July 06, 2020 9:11 PM  

'I raise goats, I tell jokes, and I voted for Obama.'

That probably caused a little short circuit in the mind of the DB interviewer.

Blogger Jason the Gentleman July 06, 2020 9:27 PM  


Such perfect responses. Fan-freaking-tastic. My inner bear is quite pleased.

Blogger 7916 July 06, 2020 9:32 PM  

Owen is on message! Love how he drops factual nukes with some rhetorical napalm at the end.

Blogger NP_see July 06, 2020 9:32 PM  

Crushing

Blogger Centurion Revolt July 06, 2020 9:35 PM  

Why the hell did he vote for Obama? I can understand not voting for McCain or Romney, but to affirmatively vote for O?

Blogger MJ July 06, 2020 9:40 PM  

OT but Scalzi is embarrassing himself again...must be a day ending in Y.

https://twitter.com/scalzi/status/1279843679994351616?s=19

Blogger Lazarus July 06, 2020 9:41 PM  

Masterful. How to destroy a hit piece. That data breach was probably a gift from God.

Blogger Autarky Bear July 06, 2020 9:41 PM  

Cool thank you for posting. I didn't know there was an interview. If there is ever a video released I would love to watch it.

Blogger d July 06, 2020 9:47 PM  

That wasn't an interview.
It was a fishing expedition.

Blogger jkmack July 06, 2020 9:47 PM  

#crushing

Blogger Dan in Georgia July 06, 2020 10:08 PM  

Was this a text interview? If so, Owen handled it very well. I can see why they didn't run it, now. Doesn't fit the Narrative.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( The Surprised Pig hadn't had any idea he tasted this good ) July 06, 2020 10:32 PM  

OB
You know perfectly well those are not accurate descriptions.


even if Daily Beast prints this interview, they're not going to include that sentence.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants July 06, 2020 10:42 PM  

The fact they carelessly doxxed 2,700 customers to another user should be the most shocking part.

Blogger SamuraiJeff July 06, 2020 10:45 PM  

Owen sounds more bad ass in written form

Blogger Unknown July 06, 2020 10:49 PM  

Legend.

Blogger Mr Smith July 06, 2020 10:55 PM  

As a communication crisis expert, I rate that response A+
(not *the* Mr Smith)

Blogger [Redacted] July 06, 2020 10:57 PM  

Big Bear: I don't know who Bethany Mandel is. I raise goats.

I laughed hard at this. Every time Jews name-drop their shifty organizations, expect a reaction and get none, it is comedy gold. It reads like a skit.

Blogger Submitted2Christ July 06, 2020 11:05 PM  

Genius

Blogger Reprehensible Adam July 06, 2020 11:25 PM  

Daily Beast more like Daily Pipsqueak.

Blogger Reprehensible Adam July 06, 2020 11:26 PM  

Daily Beast more like the Daily Pipsqueak.

Blogger Canadian Warlord July 06, 2020 11:36 PM  

In the context of every discussion having to involve god's chosen and their reaping the whirlwind in the 1940s, it really is no surprise that the "_______ denial" racket involves rabbis on both sides. The central focus has to always, always be on them.

As long as the media narrative involves their (((special victimhood))), then we must discuss it on their terms. Ignore every mention. I walk out of the room immediately.

Skull and Bones had one good idea - leaving the room as soon as a certain subject is raised. Accidental genius.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( The Surprised Pig hadn't had any idea he tasted this good ) July 07, 2020 12:24 AM  

6. Centurion Revolt July 06, 2020 9:35 PM
Why the hell did he vote for Obama?


because, at the time, he was in, of, and about Hollywood.

on the subject of the Left eating itself, now the 2nd and 3rd wave feminazis are trying to cannibalize each other:
https://twitter.com/JessCluess/status/1280214961709555719

Blogger Hylemorphist July 07, 2020 12:33 AM  

Oof, that last answer secured a SJW memory hole.
OT:
Owen's Soy boy song is legendary. This election cycle is ripe for a version 2.0 to include words like Creepy Joe, kids on his hairy legs, corn pop, you ain't black etc. I am sure he can do better than this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BS5HCi-zsYE

Blogger Silly but True July 07, 2020 12:54 AM  

Lol. Certainly an art: If you can devour the interview and troll them as added cherry on top, then the prohibition against doing interviews need not apply, I guess.

Blogger Gregory the Tall July 07, 2020 2:59 AM  

What did the Daily Beast receive from Patreon for not publishing this?

Blogger JC July 07, 2020 4:19 AM  

Every answer is concise and direct. There is nothing for them to print.

Blogger DroppingBear July 07, 2020 4:25 AM  

Owen's a straight killer when push comes to shove. Masterfully done!

Blogger Zastavnik Džemo July 07, 2020 4:30 AM  

> They never ran this because they couldn't get him to say the right words.

No they never ran this because Vox was saying it would still damage the narrative by simply spreading the info and people questioning it even with them twisting the truth.

And enemy was listening on Vox and decided to change tactics.
Vox and Owen failed to appear weak when strong.

There was too much #crushing lately and confidence is high.
I would become more careful, there might be a big enemy attack coming from the blind side.

Blogger SciVo July 07, 2020 5:12 AM  

No, the prohibition still applies, because it's heads you lose and tails you don't win.

Blogger rognuald July 07, 2020 5:28 AM  

Every response from Owen included the statement that Patreon was going bankrupt. Master stroke. There is no way Patreon wanted that to get out.

Blogger VD July 07, 2020 5:34 AM  

I would become more careful, there might be a big enemy attack coming from the blind side.

Shut up, cucky. There WILL be more enemy attacks. But there is no blind side. For example, we knew perfectly well what their changes signified concerning their attempt to retreat into court, it just never occurred to us that they would be dumb enough to actually breach their own contract and try it.

Blogger VD July 07, 2020 5:36 AM  

No they never ran this because Vox was saying it would still damage the narrative by simply spreading the info and people questioning it even with them twisting the truth.

I'm pretty sure they figured that out on their own. They do this sort of pre-publication memory-holing of their own articles all the time without any help from me.

Blogger spacehabitats July 07, 2020 6:00 AM  

Did the DB interviewer literally make little air quotes around "holocaust denier"?
I love the image.

Blogger Zastavnik Džemo July 07, 2020 6:16 AM  

@VD
I don't think anyone has described me as "cucky" before :D
There is ALWAYS a blind side.
I was not talking about attack from patreon, they are not "the enemy".

I was referring to the simple fact that the more successful you are the bigger target you become for the enemy side, i.e. they can justify using the bigger guns / more resources on you.
You said so yourself multiple times.

Blogger spacehabitats July 07, 2020 6:16 AM  

As a supporter of the anti-establishment candidate Ron Paul and a GOP national delegate from Iowa in a couple of election cycles, I can attest to the fact that CNN, NPR, etc. Will never print the good stuff. I'm proud to say that almost nothing I said in any interview ever made it to print or on the air.
Owen is a master.

Blogger Ronius_Maximus July 07, 2020 6:24 AM  

What a great way to start my day.

Blogger Brute_swayne July 07, 2020 6:28 AM  

Have you not heard the Ballad of Big Bear?

Blogger Dole July 07, 2020 6:34 AM  

Glorious yet beautiful.

Blogger VD July 07, 2020 7:09 AM  

I was not talking about attack from patreon, they are not "the enemy".

I've been under nearly non-stop attack since 2005. So spare us the smart boy strategery. People who are primarily concerned about being careful are the reason the Right has been losing ground for decades.

I don't permit demoralizers and black-pillers to comment here. There is absolutely no need whatsoever for your "warnings".

Blogger A trite re-white July 07, 2020 7:13 AM  

Owen just keeps getting better, I used to be simply impressed with his material. Now I am fully in awe...

Blogger Zastavnik Džemo July 07, 2020 7:34 AM  

**
I don't permit demoralizers and black-pillers to comment here. There is absolutely no need whatsoever for your "warnings".**

noted

Blogger Section 8A July 07, 2020 8:16 AM  

Not only did BB strategically and rhetorically destroy, they sent the junior varsity in there to do a hit piece. No wonder it hasn't seen the light of day.

Blogger Gregory the Tall July 07, 2020 9:40 AM  

I think they asked Patreon for their side of the story, and Patreon made them an "offer they could not refuse".

Blogger JovianStorm July 07, 2020 10:21 AM  

Never ever talk to the media.

And watching Patreon crumble is the cake; hearing the high pitched keening of the Twitter banshees as their simp money dries up is the sweet salty frosting!

Blogger Ray - SoCal July 07, 2020 10:37 AM  

All is proceeding as Vox foretold with Patreon. I look forward to when Vox can finally update the ending in Corporate Cancer.

I’m surprised that Patreon would sue Owens backers - that is so short sighted / insane. What is Patreon thinking?Why would anyone use Patreon with this risk? I’m glad Owen will help out in funding their legal response.

Blogger Karen took the Kids July 07, 2020 12:07 PM  

"I voted for Obama" That's what all the secret racists did. Checkmate

Blogger R Webfoot July 07, 2020 12:47 PM  

Zasta, Vox Day doesn't need a reminder that success invites further attacks. That's one of his mantras. What is your reward when you complete a level? You get a harder level.

Blogger Darren July 11, 2020 7:05 PM  

And they didn't expect him to so frequently say the wrong things in a red pilling way.

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