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Sunday, July 19, 2020

No anonymous defamation

At least not in California anymore:
Two women who used Twitter to anonymously accuse Justin Bieber of sexual assault may be identified after a judge ruled that the star is allowed to subpoena the social media platform for the info.

Deadline reports that Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Terry Green ruled in Bieber’s favor Thursday, allowing the “Sorry” singer and his attorneys to demand Twitter turn over the identities of these alleged victims.

“We just want to uncover who is behind these two accounts, and it may be the same person,” Bieber’s lawyer, Evan N. Spiegel told the court. He also called the claims “provably false” through eyewitness and photographic evidence.
This would appear to be a very bad time to be someone who posts anonymous written defamation about people on a site operated by a California corporation.

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48 Comments:

Blogger Sean July 19, 2020 8:21 AM  

Don't like Justin Bieber all that much but when you poke falsely at someone who has the financial resources, you're going to pay. It's pretty much guaranteed that he's innocent even without me looking at any evidence.

Blogger Mister Bill July 19, 2020 8:29 AM  

Well go figure... Reddit is located in San Francisco...

Blogger Artisanal Toad July 19, 2020 8:44 AM  

Automattic, Inc., is headquartered in San Francisco. They are the owners of, among other things, Wordpress.

Blogger Silent Draco July 19, 2020 8:56 AM  

That's a certain dark anticipation in the last sentence. The usual trolls are neither clever nor perceptive enough to grasp the implications. The unusual trolls may decide on a safer pastime, like trolling barehanded for mako sharks.

Blogger Pete July 19, 2020 9:02 AM  

Let the 6th shine.

Blogger Shimshon July 19, 2020 9:18 AM  

I wonder if Bieber has a penchant for umbrella-bedecked drinks and Italian loafers. What's next, all his supporters filing arbitration claims for allowing defamation of their idol to happen on the platform?

Blogger Azimus July 19, 2020 9:24 AM  

The world would be a better place if there was no internet anonymity.

Blogger rognuald July 19, 2020 9:55 AM  

Smells like more legal action is coming.

Blogger van helsing July 19, 2020 10:30 AM  

azimus, let knock the satanic ptb down a few more pegs first.

Blogger Shane Bradman July 19, 2020 10:34 AM  

Literally zero chance Justin Bieber sexually abused anyone. Young girls and women have been throwing themselves at him for a decade. That's not the type of person to abuse women.

Blogger Dan in Georgia July 19, 2020 10:42 AM  

While reflexively protecting Hollywood, California accidentally gives us back some of our rights. Neat.

Blogger Yossarian July 19, 2020 10:46 AM  

Azimus wrote:The world would be a better place if there was no internet anonymity.

Post your internet history real quick plus your social media. Don't you want to make the world a better place? Be the first to kickoff this trend.

I shouldn't be made to doxx myself while online in the same manner I don't offer my contact details to the local store. It always starts off with something reasonable and then evolves to them trying to remove all forms of privacy for the general public. Again.

Blogger Maniac July 19, 2020 10:56 AM  

I hope the sow has her life ruined by this.

Blogger Nostromo July 19, 2020 11:14 AM  

I'm waiting to see if Moochie Obama sues to find out the names of everyone who claims xhe has a dick. Because xhe has a dick.

Blogger Nostromo July 19, 2020 11:21 AM  

This is one of my reasons for believing Bill Cosby was railroaded. One of America's beloved negroes, who is funny as hell, and charismatic, didn't drug some whore and rape her. What most likely happened was she said lets go to your room, do drugs, and f$%%.

Blogger Colonel Blimp July 19, 2020 11:32 AM  

Says the guy with an alias...the world would already be ballz deep in 1984 without it.

Blogger Doktor Jeep July 19, 2020 11:32 AM  

Begun, the Great Troll Hunt has.

Blogger Mister Bill July 19, 2020 11:37 AM  

There is a case for anonymous but identifiable (aim for a 1:1 relationship with real life persons, but not necessarily know who they are)

All I would claim is that this would be something I would aim to do if I ran a social platform.

Note they think this might be two people. Also bot leverage will soon make the current internet a complete clown world.

Blogger Attila is my bro July 19, 2020 11:46 AM  

>> ... allowing the “Sorry” singer and his attorneys ...

I could care less about bieber, and I assume "sorry" is the name of one of his songs, but they just can't help getting a dig in somehow.

Blogger BalancedTryteOperators July 19, 2020 12:08 PM  

Don't curse Justin by declaring him to be a fag. He's a good man.

Blogger Karen took the Kids July 19, 2020 12:29 PM  

It's probably a gay man

Blogger Damelon Brinn July 19, 2020 12:42 PM  

We'd be better off if everyone was anonymous online. Verified accounts and blue checkmarks haven't made the world a better place. But as long as SJWs run Big Tech, it's effectively impossible to stay anonymous if you draw their ire. Compared to that current state of affairs, zero anonymity would be an improvement.

Blogger Maniac July 19, 2020 12:45 PM  

"What most likely happened was she said lets go to your room, do drugs, and f$%%."

IIRC, Cosby offered one of his "victims" some pills that he said would help her relax. She voluntarily downed them with a glass of wine.

Feminists want equality in everything except responsibilities and outcomes.

Blogger Saint July 19, 2020 12:46 PM  

What is it called when a rich and famous man has meaningless sex with an obsessed fan and leaves in the morning?

Because whatever it is, it's not Sexual Assault.

Blogger My 1 millionth internet profile July 19, 2020 12:47 PM  

@7 - Sure would be. It's not like anyone is being cast into outer darkness for expressing unpopular facts by spineless goons for whom the accusation is the conviction. We could finally have complete public conformity to the prevailing political ethos. What a fun time it would be.

By the way something, accusing someone of a serious crime anonymously is a long, long, long, long, long way from "trolling".

Blogger Turpentine July 19, 2020 1:00 PM  

Interesting implications.

Blogger God Emperor Memes July 19, 2020 1:21 PM  

I'm quite certain that the only one who was abused was Bieber himself.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella July 19, 2020 1:22 PM  

Bill Cosby did not have one accuser: he had dozens of accusers, but only one who would go to court.

Mr. Bieber is allowed to defend and maintain his good name. It is very easy to sneer at a married Christian man who was silly when young and in the public eye. He has grown up enough to marry a Christian young woman who wants to bear his children and raise a happy family with him. He is mentored by a Christian pastor. He has every right to not have sneaky attacks on his good name- the one he wishes to pass on to his future children, unsullied.

Christian culture is a youth culture- Christians are the ones having babies. It's a happy, creative culture, which means it looks silly to older, wealthier, more bitter, hopeless people. If anyone online is called stupid or dumb by the media, it only takes a week of digging to find articles in the rest of the world's press about that person's open display of Christianity.

Blogger Henry July 19, 2020 1:23 PM  

maybe it was his publicist :)

Blogger Henry July 19, 2020 1:25 PM  

Please scratch that, too ambiguous. Not hating on publicists.

I meant "maybe his publicist is making up the whole thing:)"

Blogger Azimus July 19, 2020 1:29 PM  

@Colonel Blimp
My opinion your opinion. Internet anonymity is certainly priming people to hate and think of their political opposition as subhuman, and anonymity gives cover to bots, click farms, etc to manipulate weak people who just want to go along with the crowd. It even emboldens snarkiness among erstwhile allies, like your "says the guy with an alias" jab. I am certain that the government, amd by their consent several corporations, know who you are, so why shouldn't I? For my part I find little value in things like Q or rumors from anonymous sources anyway - but certainly organizations like wikileaks are able to reveal hidden information even while they operate in the open. What else is gained from anonymity?

Blogger SamuraiJeff July 19, 2020 1:35 PM  

@mister bill have your heard of 4chan..

Blogger SamuraiJeff July 19, 2020 1:36 PM  

@damelon brinn have you heard of 4chan?..

Blogger Azimus July 19, 2020 1:42 PM  

@yossarian - this is a straw man, I'm not talking about 100% access to the full breadth and depth of everyone's online habits. Regarding social media, VP is the closest I participate to that rats nest. Regarding sites you'd rather hide - well I think the world would be much better off if no one could go to a porn site anonymously. I sure as hell never would, but I do today, though I'd like to think it was rarely. Although again, I'm not referring to a list of what pornos you prefer to watch, as much as I am the kind of shenanigans that this post is originally about.

Blogger DannyDanger July 19, 2020 1:50 PM  

@ Damelon Brinn - Good point here. The current state of anonymity on the internet basically allows trolls who support the narrative to flourish while those that don't are easily targeted/exposed by the ptb. I guess the question is would it be worth burning the whole thing down just to level the playing field and strike some real world fear into the hearts of the SJWs who currently operate with impunity?

Blogger rikjames.313 July 19, 2020 2:04 PM  

I don't know California law. In my state, if you knew the tortfeasor must have agreed to venue in a given jurisdiction, but you need information on who they are, and the info was in the hands of the third party, then good lawsuit.

Non tech example: When you are in a pub eating small plates and a strange guy broke a bottle on your head for no reason and ran away, but you know the pub scans IDs with a reader when he came in, then you can file the suit and subpoena the scans.

Blogger VFM #7634 July 19, 2020 2:19 PM  

Literally zero chance Justin Bieber sexually abused anyone. Young girls and women have been throwing themselves at him for a decade. That's not the type of person to abuse women.

Especially given his response to this accusation, rather than assuming the fetal position and apologizing.

I must admit I'm rather surprised. Especially since he's Canadian. And I can't say he's doing any of us a disservice, with this unexpected war on anonymous accusations of sexual assault.

Blogger Akulkis July 19, 2020 3:01 PM  

"Bill Cosby did not have one accuser: he had dozens of accusers, but only one who would go to court."

Some women will do anything if they think it's the newest fad.

Blogger SamuraiJeff July 19, 2020 3:41 PM  

For anybody thinking Justin beiber is a good guy. Here is a link to all the satanic imagery he hid in just 1 of his music videos https://www.google.com/amp/s/lamiyaslearningportfolio.wordpress.com/2016/04/10/more-than-just-a-music-video/amp/

Blogger Damelon Brinn July 19, 2020 3:49 PM  

@damelon brinn have you heard of 4chan?..

Yes. Anonymity is what makes the chans the one place you can talk about things that can't be said anywhere else. I'd hate to lose that. But even that anonymity has its limits. If Google and friends put me on their hit list, I know that they would be able to match me with my posts there. I'm only anonymous there because I'm not important.

Of course, if you accuse someone of sexual assault on 4chan, no one will take you seriously, partly because you *can* say anything there. Accusations on Twitter are taken more seriously because many people aren't anonymous there, so there are different expectations. Somewhere below printing in a newspaper, but above idle gossip in a bar. A forum should probably have anonymity for everyone or for no one, so it doesn't end up with this phenomenon of random gossip by anonymous people being taken seriously enough to be damaging.

Twitter also has the magnifying effect of retweets, so that something said by one person can get repeated by others who make it look more credible. If someone makes an anonymous accusation, and it's retweeted by others until it's trending, they all share responsibility for the damage, but they probably wouldn't see it that way.

Blogger Avalanche July 19, 2020 4:11 PM  

@25 "By the way something, accusing someone of a serious crime anonymously is a long, long, long, long, long way from "trolling"."

You mean like accusing someone of something that can be twisted to sound, or even IS, raciissssss or sexist or homophobic or transphobic or pedophilic -- thus causing them to lose jobs, income, friends, social standing?

"Serious" crime?!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 19, 2020 4:38 PM  

SamuraiJeff wrote:For anybody thinking Justin beiber is a good guy. Here is a link to all the satanic imagery he hid in just 1 of his music videos
... 5 years ago.
Do you not believe in the transformative and redemptive power of the Holy Spirit?
Or are you just one of those Christian Justice Warriors that exults in bringing down the recently converted? A man with a withered soul who would rather point out his neighbor's sin than stop committing his own.

I'd hate to be held forever to the stupid and sometimes evil things I did when I was 20 years old.

Blogger weka July 19, 2020 4:58 PM  

You keep employed in the land of the woke.

Blogger Canadian Warlord July 19, 2020 5:06 PM  

@10. Shane Bradman
>>>Literally zero chance Justin Bieber sexually abused anyone. Young girls and women have been throwing themselves at him for a decade. That's not the type of person to abuse women.
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Justin Beiber is ultra-lucky to not live in his birthplace. C-51 as described by the rag national post:
"C-51 expands the “rape shield” protections for sexual assault complainants, by restricting the ability of the accused to use communications by a complainant or witness that are “of a sexual nature” or “for a sexual purpose” as part of his defence, particularly to establish the defence of “mistaken belief in consent” (remember Lucy DeCoutere’s email to Ghomeishi following an allegedly harrowing assault, “I love your hands!”?). An accused will be prohibited from introducing these kinds of sexually explicit texts or emails as evidence in court unless a judge first rules them to be admissible, after conducting a closed hearing with the Crown prosecutor, which the complainant may attend, accompanied by her own lawyer if she chooses (giving the phrase “lawyered up” new depth of meaning)"

C-51 was brought in after the Gomeshi trial to make sure that any woman can literally throw herself at a man, send him texts, e-mails, etc., and it doesn't matter if she changes her mind afterwards and goes to the police.

Blogger SamuraiJeff July 19, 2020 6:19 PM  

We will know them by their fruits. Not what they claim to be now. Let's see him as actually do good before you choose to back him up. So far all he has done is play into the devil's hand

Blogger Jack Amok July 19, 2020 6:49 PM  

Some women will do anything if they think it's the newest fad.

Especially if the newest fad involves claiming victimhood for enthusiastically engaging in the previous fad.

Blogger Ransom Smith July 19, 2020 8:05 PM  

C-51 was brought in after the Gomeshi trial to make sure that any woman can literally throw herself at a man, send him texts, e-mails, etc., and it doesn't matter if she changes her mind afterwards and goes to the police.
I swear me and a couple buddies could conquer Canada in a weekend.
They went from decent people total laughingstocks in three generations.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( The Surprised Pig hadn't had any idea he tasted this good ) July 20, 2020 1:24 AM  

42. Snidely Whiplash July 19, 2020 4:38 PM
Do you not believe in the transformative and redemptive power of the Holy Spirit?


didn't Bieber start out his career pretending to be a goodie two shoes churchian? and i'm supposed to believe him uncritically now?

Ariadne claims that his wife is a "good Christian woman". Hailey Baldwin is actor Stephen Baldwin's daughter ( of the acting brothers Baldwins ) and has been signed to a major modeling agency since the age of 17. in other words, she's straight out of the Hellmouth.

also, why did they decide to attend a church ( Hillsong ) which has been concealing the child abuse history of the chief pastor's father for years?

they couldn't find a pedophile pastor or priest closer than Australia?

whatever, i guess we'll just have to wait until his next music video drops and see whether or not he stacks it to the rafters with Illuminati and Monarch symbology like he normally does.

https://vigilantcitizen.com/

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