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Tuesday, July 28, 2020

The medical vector

If you don't want to catch Covid-19, stay out of the hospitals and doctor's offices:
This virus is not being spread the way we're told.

Social distancing is close to worthless.

NY's data makes this quite clear.  So does Florida's.

Both slammed the door; SE Florida and NYC.

The bend should be evident in one viral generation time.  The new case rate should collapse in two viral generation times.  If Community Transmission via bars, restaurants and "social interaction" was more than 2/3rds of the total the effective R0 would go under 1.0 and community transmission would collapse.  If it was half then R0 would be 1.5 and we'd have transmission approximately equal to a bad seasonal flu.

IF you actually bent the curve.

These measures did not bend it to any material degree.  Enough time has passed to know this is true; at most they have lengthened a "turn time" by one day (in other words, R3.0 to R2.5.)  That's effectively nothing!

Why not?

It's being spread in the medical environment -- specifically, in the hospitals -- not, in the main, on the beach or in the bar.

When Singapore and South Korea figured out that if as a medical provider you wash your damn hands before and after, without exception, every potential contact with an infected person or surface even if you didn't have a mask on for 30 minutes during casual conversations with others (e.g. neither of you is hacking) transmission to and between their medical providers stopped.

Note -- even if you didn't have a mask on and were not social distancing in the work environment, which of course is impossible if you're working with others in a hospital, you didn't get infected.

And guess what immediately happened after that?  Their national case rate stabilized and fell.

The hypothesis that fits the facts is that a material part of transmission is actually happening in the hospital with the medical providers spreading it through the community both directly and indirectly.
Keep in mind that this was posted by Denninger back in March. And now, the death rate in Singapore is one in 1,896 cases, compared to one in 29 cases in the USA and one in 25 worldwide.

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Blogger Azimus July 28, 2020 12:51 PM  

This wasn't covered in ANY of the TikTok videos I watched about CoVid 19.

Blogger yoyoyoBigD July 28, 2020 1:06 PM  

Hide Yo Kids, Hide Yo Wife because they infectin' everybody out here! Homeboy!

Blogger Long Live The West July 28, 2020 1:09 PM  

Doesn't help that Americans also tend to be a little on the heavier side.

Blogger Ingemar July 28, 2020 1:15 PM  

People started fleeing the hospitals when they realized that every malady would be transmuted into COVID-19 and that becoming "a COVID" became the fig leaf by which the Establishment would nullify their basic rights by force.

If you see me bleeding on the streets, don't send an ambulance--send a priest. Although it's likely the majority of them are cowering in their hidey-holes enjoying their gubmint funny money.

Blogger The Contrarian July 28, 2020 1:30 PM  

Denninger has been crushing the CoronaCough narrative since March and very much every other mainstream narrative since his blog's inception in 2007.

Blogger Shane Bradman July 28, 2020 1:35 PM  

The government statistic in Victoria, Australia is that 80% of community transmission are "at the workplace". This can't possibly be true in normal circumstances, because the primary mode of community transmission is ALWAYS the family. When they say, "at the workplace", whose workplace do they mean? The hospitals are a workplace for the nurses and doctors, and they all seem to be getting sick, and then bringing it inside the old people homes. Old people carers work multiple jobs because the wage is very poor.

Don't trust the ventilators. I make them. They don't save lives and they don't help you recover. It's a last ditch effort to save the boomers and obese, but it never works because being able to breath will not get rid of a virus.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 28, 2020 1:36 PM  

And now, the death rate in Singapore is one in 1,896 cases, compared to one in 29 cases in the USA and one in 25 worldwide.
Most of the ones who get it in the USA are the sick, so no wonder we have a very high death rate.
Most of the ones who get it in Singapore are healthy, so no wonder they have a very low death rate.
When Singapore and South Korea figured out that if as a medical provider you wash your damn hands before and after, without exception, every potential contact with an infected person or surface ...
Wasn't there somebody who made a big deal about this in the past? Semmelweis or so? But that was before Year Zero, so it doesn't matter.

Blogger Bezzle July 28, 2020 1:37 PM  

Keep in mind that this was posted by Denninger back in March.

It was by February 2 that I'd concluded that Covid was just another overhyped common cold virus. Like most, I caught a nasty cold in lated March, and figured we were done with the BS.

What I didn't predict was the seamless orchestration to implode the economy and implement a global dictatorship based on the most monstrous bald-faced lie of our age.

I'm starting to think that thirty years worth of global-warming propaganda existed solely as a vetting operation to consolidate an iron grip across government-dependent establishment media and academia. The initial wave of deplatformings, you may recall, weren't of SJW MeToo targets, but of "climate deniers".

Once reliably certain that a preposterous narrative could be browbeaten into a demoralized populace, they could spring the agenda that they really cared about.

Blogger Lazarus July 28, 2020 1:39 PM  

Among 2,035,395 community individuals and 99,795 frontline health care workers, 5,545 new reports of a positive COVID-19 test were documented. Compared with the general community, frontline health care workers had an 11.6-times higher risk of testing positive and those who reported that they had inadequate access to PPE had a 23% higher risk. Also, compared with health care workers reporting adequate PPE who did not care for patients with COVID-19, workers caring for patients with documented COVID-19 had a nearly 5-times higher risk of testing positive if they had adequate PPE and a nearly 6-times higher risk if they had inadequate PPE.

https://www.massgeneral.org/news/coronavirus/study-reveals-risk-of-covid-19-infection-among-health-care-workers

Don't hang out with health care workers.

Blogger The Only Cigar in the Box July 28, 2020 1:42 PM  

I've been following Karl on this for a while. Lately he's made some good points on why CV being spread primarily via airborne drops really doesn't make sense, given that we've seen infection rates soar as heat and humidity levels have risen in the Northern Hemisphere. Colds and Flus, which are thought to be spread primarily via aerosol droplets, have a rate of infection inverse to heat and humidity levels (which is why we have cold and flu season), the theory being that in the heat and humidity aerosol droplets are more likely to collide and combine with other suspended moisture droplets in the air and quickly attain a mass where gravity sends them crashing to the ground. (Also, viruses seem to have a shorter lifespan on surfaces when it is hot and humid.) His ultimate points being:

1) Why isn't this virus following the laws of physics?
2) WASH YOUR HANDS (with soap and water), because the primary source of spread is probably fecal-oral (like norovirus on a cruise ship). Especially if you are a doctor. Especially if you are working with vulnerable populations.

Blogger Chris Ritchie July 28, 2020 1:45 PM  

Wait, wait! You mean to say that arrogant doctors won't wash their hands enough?!?

https://www.webmd.com/women/news/20040706/study-doctors-dont-wash-hands-enough

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/25/pandemic-hospitals-more-handwashing/

https://infogalactic.com/info/Ignaz_Semmelweis - This is the guy who died an ignominious death because the professional medical community refused to believe that they needed to wash their hands after working on cadavers and before they deliver babies.

This is why I have much skepticism towards some in the medical community and "Science."

Blogger Yossarian July 28, 2020 1:47 PM  

Viruses can only survive a few minutes on skin.
Viruses can survive on fabric for hours even days.
Masks are made of fabric.
COVID is a respiratory disease.
Masks cover the breathing airways.
The more people wear masks, the more COVID cases appear.

I guess we'll never figure this mystery out out...

Blogger Damelon Brinn July 28, 2020 1:50 PM  

I wouldn't be surprised. Our local infection rate flat-lined for two months and then started back up when they started doing standard medical procedures again. Problem is, they're testing everyone for corona before they come in for hangnail removal or whatever, so it's hard to tell whether they're just finding more people with antibodies who were never sick enough to get tested before, or if they're really "new" cases.

The question of which test they're doing, for virus or for antibodies, and whether either one can reliably be distinguished from other coronaviruses, almost never comes up. I don't think most people yelling strong opinions about it even know there's a difference between any of those things.

Blogger VFM #7634 July 28, 2020 2:03 PM  

The medical profession is mostly Democrats by now, and they've definitely shown themselves to be devotees of Nurgle. Masks, social distancing, and lockdowns are practically a religion -- or death cult -- among the left.

And then there's the ignored fact that East Asians appear to almost certainly have more resistance to Corona-chan than Europeans, who in turn have far more than Africans, American Indians, or South Sea Islanders. (Which would of course biologically include the vast majority of Latinos.)

So while the newsmedia crows how East Asian and European countries suppressed the virus, all a country like the United States or Latin American countries like Brazil can do to get over Corona-chan is to let the virus burn through the population. It spreads far too quickly for any of the standard leftist prescriptions to work, especially with our demographic mix.

I had to laugh sourly when the NYT speculated the other day that new cases stopped rising in the USA because people started to wear masks and social distance more. Even though the governor of Georgia recently banned his state's jurisdictions from making mask orders, and the virus is still topping out there. Surprise surprise.

Blogger Ingot9455 July 28, 2020 2:10 PM  

Dr. Semmelweis, call your office.

Blogger Stilicho July 28, 2020 2:11 PM  

Typhoid Mary/Wuhan Willy work at the hospitals and nursing homes.

Blogger buzzardist July 28, 2020 2:11 PM  

Especially early in the outbreak when testing was not widely available, Japan sent many people with symptoms home and told them to avoid contact with others for at least a week. There was no rigid lockdown or economic shutdown, only a call for voluntarily limiting travel and contact with others. A lot of ex-pats in Japan, drunk on the American and international media, were screaming bloody murder at these policies. Months later, Japan has barely passed a thousand deaths for a country of 120 million, despite much of the country living in areas as densely populated as New York City. Go figure.

Blogger Jack Ward July 28, 2020 2:26 PM  

Denninger has been my go to source for accurate info on the covid since before March. I've come to trust his logic and thinking.
For a long, but seems accurate look at the covid hoax, there is Angello Codevillas 'The Covid Coup'. Kudos to Peter Grant for providing the link.

https://americanmind.org/essays/the-covid-coup/

Blogger Zaklog the Great July 28, 2020 2:27 PM  

Not quite the same, but on the topic of Covid-19: Show you care. Show your face.

Blogger Skyler the Weird July 28, 2020 2:34 PM  

If Saint Floyd had been a cracker, he'd just be another Corona Chan death.

Blogger Kingly Gift July 28, 2020 2:46 PM  

I have a hunch that if we were capable of going back in time and investigated the legendary "triple wave" of the Spanish flu, we would also find hospitals largely to blame. But since that pandemic has largely been mythologized to set the psychological preconditioning for future over-reactions to any infectious respiratory disease, the truth about the Spanish flu can never really be known.

My wife recently had to get a silly covid test as a screening to do an elective procedure. While waiting in the drive through line, I watched the workers move from their work station where they were collecting nasal swabs from people, over to another table to grab their water bottle to take a drink. Did they remove their gloves? No.

I personally don't blame them. I've worked in an infectious disease lab, and the level of OCD procedure you have to follow to maintain full sterility is practically impossible. So the bottom line is that if we just stopped obsessing about this virus, it would pretty much disappear. Yes, it would still find it's way to a subset of elderly people who were probably going to die of something else later this year or the next. But for society as a whole, it would just be a slight bump atop the expected level of total deaths this year. Followed by a lower than expected level of deaths next year.

Blogger Pete July 28, 2020 2:57 PM  

Yes, unfortunately, it seems most doctors are leftists, especially in academic hospitals. The appeal to "authority" in the most unquestioningly disgusting fashion, runs rampant. Protocol medicine rules the day, under the excuse that an variation in medical practice is "too confusing for the nurses", and places hospitals at greater liability when a patient dies if any doctor does anything differently than any other doctor. Well done medical studies that support medical practices that are not in sync with the all powerful NATIONAL GUIDELINES put physicians who try to use them in danger of losing their jobs. Hell, I was called on the carpet by my departmental supervisor for saying "Wuhan coronavirus" instead of the PC term COVID-19 in a departmental meeting, for being xenophobic. I was informed that nurses complained about my doing things differently than the other ICU doc and when I explained why I changed the treatment plan the reposte was "Yes, the nurses say you always say you have a reason." The fact that the patient improved after I changed the treatment was irrelevent. It was a variance from sacred protocol.

Blogger Krymneth July 28, 2020 3:02 PM  

buzzardist wrote:Months later, Japan has barely passed a thousand deaths for a country of 120 million, despite much of the country living in areas as densely populated as New York City.

We all know how to handle pandemics. We've done it several times before.

The simple truth is, this one wouldn't be bad enough to take note of if it weren't for the number of people working hard to make it as bad as possible.

And even with them working as hard at that goal, they really aren't succeeding very well. It's taking a lot of lying and more of those mysterious "mistakes" that, like "mistakenly" censoring conservatives, only ever seem to swing one way, to even get as far as they have.

I have wondered this aloud before, but on the grand scale of biowarfare, I wonder what they thought of this virus? Did they think it was going to kill more people? Did they think this was on the deadlier end of the arsenal? Or do they consider this one of their weaker efforts? I'd love to know.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 July 28, 2020 3:04 PM  

Remind me again what races in the US tend to be less than sanitary?

Blogger Akulkis July 28, 2020 3:07 PM  

>> Colds and Flus, which are thought to be spread primarily via aerosol droplets, have a rate of infection inverse to heat and humidity levels (which is why we have cold and flu season), the theory being that in the heat and humidity aerosol droplets are more likely to collide and combine with other suspended moisture droplets in the air and quickly attain a mass where gravity sends them crashing to the ground. (Also, viruses seem to have a shorter lifespan on surfaces when it is hot and humid.)

It's simpler than that, and humidity doesn't help or harm viral longevity outside the body.

1. Heat is the major killer of viruses. Summer means not only that sometimes the ambient air temp is high enough to kill it, but microclimates (like near an elecric motor) can get above the temperature to denature a virus in warm air months more quickly and for longer than in cold air months.

2: UV kills a LOT of microorganisms. The more you are outside in the sun, the more you are getting your hands and face disinfected by the sun.


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Blogger 7916 July 28, 2020 3:12 PM  

Surfaces.

This is why gloves are more effective than masks.

This is why hispanics, especially illegals, are so prone to infections. Meatpacking and other food processing offer perfect environments for the virus to remain on surfaces. It is also why density of population results in more infections. immivaders live in denser conditions, as do ethnic populations, nursing homes, etc.

So glove up.

Blogger Revelation Means Hope July 28, 2020 3:16 PM  

One of my projects in our hospital system is to improve handwashing compliance.

At the very tip top height of the scare in March, we achieved 85% compliance in hundreds of audits of our personnel.

Dropped back to 40% by May. It's mostly our nurses from, um, well, races that weren't seen much in American hospitals a hundred years ago.

Luckily by shining a light on this we are creeping back into 70%'s.

This is on units where some coworkers nearly died from this virus.

That's about all I should say. Except to add to fellow Ilk...wash your hands. We live among people who rarely wash theirs and never do it properly.

Blogger Sheila4g July 28, 2020 3:39 PM  

The whole rationale for using ventilators was not that they worked (which is why most doctors would not permit themselves to be ventilated) but because they prevented the purported spread of droplets. The concern was entirely for the convenience of the 'first responders.'

And no, @26 7916, do NOT glove up. Gloves (like masks) will carry the germs everywhere you touch. Just do what you were taught (if you're White) as a child. Cover your mouth and nose if you sneeze and cough, and wash your damned hands multiple times a day.

Blogger Russell Morrison July 28, 2020 3:43 PM  

This fits with my understanding of how viruses and immunity work. The key is not *whether* one is exposed, but rather *how much* of the virus one is exposed to.

If the exposure is to a small amount, the immune system has an opportunity to develop defenses. Larger amounts, the immune system still develops defenses, but the virus multiplies and causes symptoms before the defenses can be deployed.

Too much virus, and the body is overwhelmed (and killed) before enough defense is in place.

Medical personnel are exposed to a *lot* of virus, over and over again. And, once they're sick, they shed the viral particles to their patients, causing the patients' immune system to be overwhelmed.

And out response so far (quarantine, social distancing, stay home/indoors) is designed to provide environments where people get a *lot* of virus, over and over again.

If we had treated this like any other seasonal disease (flu, cold, etc.), we'd be done by now. Most of us would have been exposed to just enough virus to become immune; a majority of the rest would have had the sniffles and recovered, and become immune.

Instead, the "experts" are telling us to do the precise opposite of what we do for every other flu- and cold-type viral "pandemic" -- and make no mistake, seasonal flu and cold are pandemic, by the same logic as Covid-19.

Blogger Jack Amok July 28, 2020 3:44 PM  

2: UV kills a LOT of microorganisms. The more you are outside in the sun, the more you are getting your hands and face disinfected by the sun.

Yes, and UV on your skin also produces Vitamin D, which is essential for your immune system. Cold and Flu season is more a factor of less sunlight (and less time outside, conversely meaning more time inside where contagion is higher) than anything directly about temperature or humidity.

Blogger FrankNorman July 28, 2020 4:09 PM  

The idea that doctors and other medical people should be washing their hands between patients is hardly new. Have things regressed that much already?

Blogger VFM #7634 July 28, 2020 4:17 PM  

Remind me again what races in the US tend to be less than sanitary?

The racial affect appears real. The Chinese are filthy, especially the FOBs, yet they get the virus much less than other races.

Blogger Jonathon Davies July 28, 2020 4:28 PM  

Hospitals, doctor's surgeries and care homes. The only person I know who has had the virus is a cousin who was working as admini in a GP surgery.

Blogger Zaklog the Great July 28, 2020 5:16 PM  

@26 As far as I understand it, gloves are only effective if you change them frequently. If you wear the same pair of gloves for hours at a time, it makes almost no difference. Again, as far as I understand it. I could be wrong.

Blogger tdcommenter July 28, 2020 5:46 PM  

The GP making house calls would probably do better at sanitizing himself that trying to clean a whole hospital. Plus it could cut down on secondary infections.

Blogger Silent Draco July 28, 2020 5:51 PM  

Clean and disinfect surfaces, too. Hot soapy water, hot water rinse does a lot. Disinfecting with bleach solution and hot water rinse works well. Do high contact areas like door handles or knobs, faucets, toilet handles, etc.

Blogger Newscaper312 July 28, 2020 6:14 PM  

@34 The issue w gloves in this context is reducing cross contamination, a nurse passing it from patient A to patient B.

Blogger Cinco July 28, 2020 6:21 PM  

Heavier, older, weaker immune systems, terrible diets, the list goes on.

Blogger The Last Roman July 28, 2020 6:54 PM  

Didn't they already figure this out during the Crimean War (1853-1856).

Blogger Sicilian Switchblade July 28, 2020 7:00 PM  

So wearing a cloth mask hanging half way off your face that hasn't been washed in days doesn't stop particulates of about .6-.4 micron??

Last time I looked HEPA filters will Barely stop something that small.

The mask mandates are nothing more than a sniff test to see what percentage of the population are mind controlled slaves.

This has turned into the dumbest and most costly game of "simon says" I've ever witnessed in my life.

I have a feeling these bastards will drag it along until people just start not complying in some meaningful numbers.

Blogger Damelon Brinn July 28, 2020 7:01 PM  

The racial affect appears real.

Early on, I read a theory somewhere that it affected people differently according to blood type, but I've never heard anything more about that. That would make sense if it attacks hemoglobin, and it could also explain racial differences. I don't know enough about blood types per race to know if that holds up, though.

The idea that doctors and other medical people should be washing their hands between patients is hardly new. Have things regressed that much already?

Yes. People are just damn retarded, and now they're caught up in extra-stupid group-think over this, and doctors are no exception.

The other day I'm in a store where they ask that you wear a mask if you can't maintain 6 feet of separation in the store, and they have arrows on the floor. I was not wearing a mask, but I was following the arrows, because why not? That way it's easy to keep your distance from people. So I'm going down the aisle, and here comes this guy wearing a thin cloth mask, walking against the arrows, nearly rubs shoulders with me as he goes past.

Now, since he's wearing a mask, he's either genuinely afraid of catching the virus, or he's a good boy who follows orders. Either way, why isn't he obeying the arrows and trying to avoid me? Probably because he thinks since he's wearing a mask, he's already doing his part, so he doesn't have to go to the inconvenience of stepping a few feet to the side to follow the arrows.

There's just a lot of stupid out there, and most people are focused on following the herd and setting themselves apart from the badthinkers, not on staying healthy.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville July 28, 2020 7:29 PM  

I wouldn't be so mad if the health Nazi Karens would say "wash the hands" instead of "wear the mask".

2) WASH YOUR HANDS (with soap and water), Especially if you are a doctor.

Infections are always an issue with at risk patients such as those with end-stage renal disease who receive chronic dialysis. Those patients have access sites from which their blood is pumped out of their body and cleansed for several hours three days a week.

They are in a healthcare setting several times a week yet Medicare still has to hammer home the need for hand washing by both the patients and the staff to prevent blood stream infections.

Blogger MATT July 28, 2020 7:39 PM  

My stepfather had some appointments at NYU and said there were people walking in and out without masks, people touching things without gloves, no one really cared all that much.

So whatever it is that we're supposed to be doing, many in hospitals and doctors offices aren't doing it. Not surprising, considering what type of person most nurses, PAs, hospital workers, front desk etc. tend to be, at least here in NYC. Can't speak for the rest of the country.

For what it's worth, a co worker of mine caught it. He's in his early 50s, smoked his entire life, and has asthma, and it gave him was vertigo. He's fine.

Blogger MichaelJMaier July 28, 2020 7:55 PM  

swiftfoxmark2 wrote:Remind me again what races in the US tend to be less than sanitary?

Remind me again which countries in Europe tend to be less sanitary?

Blogger Bobiojimbo July 28, 2020 8:20 PM  

And just like that:

"A further 11 cases linked to a Danang hospital were reported late on Monday, and seven in Danang and nearby Quang Nam province on Tuesday."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vietnam/vietnam-suspends-flights-to-and-from-danang-due-to-virus-outbreak-idUSKCN24T07T

Blogger John Regan July 28, 2020 8:38 PM  

I don't know where you're getting 1 in 29 deaths in the US. Death date here is flat, about .88 percent, almost exactly what we would have expected, COVID or no COVID.

Blogger nswhorse July 28, 2020 9:31 PM  

Anecdotal, but I've noticed that Australian medical staff tend to be very fastidious hand-washers. Could this possibly explain why our numbers are so low?

Blogger thethirdcoast July 28, 2020 9:41 PM  

The disinformation campaign against HCQ is totally out of control:

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/07/28/dr-simone-gold-squarespace-shuts-down-americas-frontline-doctors-website/

These people truly are sick and evil.

Blogger Joe July 28, 2020 9:48 PM  

People were going around in March taking videos of empty hospitals and erroneously calling it evidence of a hoax. The truth is that people knew hospitals are the number one worst place to go and naturally avoided them.

Blogger commoncents July 28, 2020 9:50 PM  

Video - First phase 3 trial of a coronavirus vaccine in the U.S. begins

https://commoncts.blogspot.com/2020/07/video-first-phase-3-trial-of.html

Blogger Akulkis July 28, 2020 9:57 PM  

>> Last time I looked HEPA filters will Barely stop something that small [0.4 micron].

Not even close. HEPA's only rated for 3.0 micron. 9x larger. HEPA will only stop 0.4 micron just before it's totally clogged.

Blogger L.Fairchild July 28, 2020 10:01 PM  

In January, a nasty bug went through my family and only the blood type A members got sick. The rest of us are O type and were fine, and I was in very close proximity to my sick brother as I took care of him.... so there may be some merit to the blood type argument.

Blogger The Only Cigar in the Box July 28, 2020 10:05 PM  

@27 I live in Utah. Hispanic/Latino population here has made up a disproportionately large number of the CV cases - something like 40%, when they are only 14% of the state's population. It has to be 100% because they aren't wearing their masks, right?

Blogger 7916 July 28, 2020 10:30 PM  

Forgive the bombast, but I stay in the country as much as possible. Gloving up is limited to town trips. Changing gloves regularly if you have to be moving around in town as part of your daily business makes good sense. They're cheap. This protocol makes sense for me.

Blogger Damelon Brinn July 28, 2020 10:38 PM  

This has turned into the dumbest and most costly game of "simon says" I've ever witnessed in my life.

Thank you, that's the reference I've been trying to think of for weeks.

I thought most of the restrictions made sense back in March, much like the travel ban the president wanted. We didn't know much about the virus except that it most likely escaped or was released from the Wuhan lab, and things were looking pretty bad in Italy. Better safe than sorry; it wouldn't kill us to shut things down for a little while. But part of intelligence is being willing to rethink your position as new information comes in. By late April it was clear that it wasn't the plague, and except for in a few crowded, vibrant cities, was being handled pretty easily with some basic precautions. It was only *after* that that Maskapalooza started.

I wouldn't be so mad if the health Nazi Karens would say "wash the hands" instead of "wear the mask".

Other people can't watch you ostentatiously wash your hands to show what a good person you are, and you can't tell how recently others have washed their hands in order to scold them. Hand-washing also doesn't give you any opportunity to be stylish in your choice of facial wear. Mask Mania is catnip for Karens, but constant hand-washing is just boring.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine July 28, 2020 10:46 PM  

For bonus points, even if they don't manage to give it to you, if what you have is any kind of coronaviroid they'll test you as positive for nCoV19, so you can "catch" it that way too in a hospital.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine July 28, 2020 10:48 PM  

"Remind me again which countries in Europe tend to be less sanitary?"

Maybe Turkey, if it counts, and Spain? I'm not really up on my inter-European stereotypes, do you have a more nuanced take?

Blogger Akulkis July 28, 2020 11:19 PM  

>> Last time I looked HEPA filters will Barely stop something that small [0.4 micron].

Not even close. HEPA's only rated for 3.0 micron. 9x larger. HEPA will only stop 0.4 micron just before it's totally clogged.

Blogger Oswald July 28, 2020 11:30 PM  

Got it, stay away from Hospitals.

Blogger Margaret Man July 28, 2020 11:38 PM  

My boss's mother in law is from Tianjin & was over there in Feb, said that one vector was sick people taking an ambulance to the hospital, being turned away, then taking public transit back home.

Blogger Silly but True July 28, 2020 11:43 PM  

Singapore & South Korea don't have a good handle on COVID mortality mechanisms like FL does. FL COVID can kill you when your motorcycle flips over a car, attacking COVID victims' lungs and heart through high impact blunt force trauma.

Blogger Reph July 29, 2020 12:46 AM  

John Regan, I believe it's 1 in 29 out of the infected. Perhaps they're only using "resolved" cases as well.

Blogger Iamblichus July 29, 2020 2:41 AM  

Big bear smelt the big lie early. Virus theory is false. Neither contagion or causality ever proven. Check Dr Andrew Kaufman work. Usually Vox spots these false assumptions early

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim July 29, 2020 3:26 AM  

1 out of every 29 people who get Covid in the US die? Infection fatality rate is nowhere near that high.
That’s only if the positive tests account for a true number of infections, yet there aren’t many people who are infected and don’t get tested because they are asymptomatic.

Blogger Macs July 29, 2020 7:55 AM  

I had assumed it was because air-conditioned environments are dry.

Blogger Taylor? July 29, 2020 8:22 AM  

I just tested positive yesterday and am now in, "isolation" for 14 days. Symptoms were basically flu-like, headache, fever, runny nose, and a sore throat. Those had pretty much all gone away within 24 hours though, aside from still having a mild cough. I'm 26, no prior health conditions, and have type A blood (but the soldier in front of me in line tested positive and he was type O blood so make of that what you will).

Pretty unremarkable so far, I'll update if symptoms worsen.

Blogger Reph July 29, 2020 9:55 AM  

1 in 29 is a correct approximation going by the "official" numbers.

I do agree that it's more complicated than that with asymptomatics and the looseness of reporting the cause of death.

Blogger The Only Cigar in the Box July 29, 2020 9:59 AM  

@61 - My roofer fell off the roof and died of covid when he hit the ground. It's definitely a massive blunt trauma type of disease. His family is heartbroken. The local news ran a human interest piece about it. The reporter was absolutely beside herself with grief . . . or was it glee (hard to tell sometimes with lefties) . . . that they had yet another confirmed covid fatality.

Blogger Balazs Varga July 29, 2020 11:29 AM  

Eastern European and some far east Asian countries like Hungary, Slovakia, Japan did manage to curb the virus, at least for now.

Democrats can't enforce a quarantine well they are inept.

Blogger PJW Gent July 29, 2020 12:45 PM  

We have still not found anyone who has stuck with the NIH recommendations beginning with 10,000 IU of vitamin D3 (and then staying on 10,000 IU a day) who has gotten COVID-19. While those other things (hand washing, common sense distancing from casual interactions) I believe the blood serum levels of vitamin D are directly correlated with COVID resistance.

Blogger Owen July 29, 2020 12:47 PM  

Fortunately for me, my doctor is doing video appointments.

Blogger John Best. July 29, 2020 12:54 PM  

I went to a hospital in the UK, for the first time in my life I would smell the disinfectant, I hope this continues after the virus. And I wear gloves if I am going around people. It explains why so many Asians and Africans are getting it and dying in the UK, there are more of them in the NHS and they are bringing to back to their people because of poor hygiene.

Blogger PJW Gent July 29, 2020 12:56 PM  

Reph: I will tell you how a G.P. I know in Georgia treats every patient he sees who presents with flu symptoms and COVID-19 is a flu virus. He immediately gives them 100,000 IU of D3, then 8 hours later another 100,000, and then 8 hours later a final dose of 100,000 IU of D3. The symptoms usually disappear in 6-8 hours with immediate improvement in the first hour. It will not hurt you to take what the sun would give you for 2 days at the beach.

Blogger Owen July 29, 2020 12:59 PM  

Hope you recover fully. I definitely don’t want to get this virus; it can have long lasting and unpredictable effects, even after it’s passed. And you can get it again. My wife and I are taking zinc, 500mg of vitamin C, D3 and B complex daily. I recommend Peak Prosperity on YouTube: good information about treatment and prevention, not political. And good economic analysis as well. I take it from your comment that you’re being inducted into the military? Good luck with that. I got out 30 years ago after a 5 year hitch in the army and still have fond memories of my time in it. It’ll get you in shape, give you some good opportunities and you’ll probably make some lifelong friends.

Blogger Owen July 29, 2020 1:01 PM  

Me too... in fact we moved to the country to get away from the craziness. Very good decision.. had no idea how crazy it would get!

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim July 29, 2020 4:26 PM  

How in can anyone know if it has “long lasting effects” at this point? That’s all speculation. Lungs are pretty resilient if you stop damaging them.

Blogger RedJack July 29, 2020 6:30 PM  

When little bear was in the nicu, a lot of doctors would refuse to wash. I was told the most common problem was infection spread by staff, but it was still a fight to get them to wash

Blogger Bezzle July 29, 2020 9:05 PM  

@. The Contrarian July 28, 2020 1:30 PM
Denninger has been crushing the CoronaCough narrative since March and very much every other mainstream narrative since his blog's inception in 2007.

- Just be careful making market trades based on Denninger. He's what they call a perma-bear, and blew himself up good during the 2009 bounce.

As we speak, he's predicting another stock-market crash before the election. And not just any old crash retesting the March low of this year, but a crash lower than the March 2009 bottom. (In order to hold this theory, one must accept that the Fed is currently inflating the market in order to pop it, and the magnitude of the crash would need a war-sized event to precipitate it.) He's basically a counterweight to the goldbugs and Bitcoin hodlers betting on the imminent demise of the fiat dollar.

Needless to say, anyone holding short positions right now is feeling a good deal of pain. Just when you think that pure garbage can't go any higher, it does.

Blogger Owen July 29, 2020 10:56 PM  

Because people have turned up at doctors and hospitals with lung scarring, serious blood clotting and other damage AFTER being declared “recovered “ from Covid. Lung scarring doesn’t heal.

Blogger Hezekiah Garrett July 30, 2020 12:44 AM  

I'm an EMT in a southern state. Today I transported e mentally ill patient who was under a temporary mental health hold to a psychiatric facility for evaluation. The hospital desperately wanted him gone,tout suite. In report they mentioned he had a pending Covid test from earlier in the day, but results wouldn't be in for a day or 2.

The psych facility had set up screening at the entrance to the property. Not the building, the property. In the course of screening, the patient claimed to be a Tennessee paramedic who had THREE positive tests dating back to March. They refused the patient.

When the hospital learned the patient was refused, and why, they IMMEDIATELY discovered his negative results had JUST arrived!

This hospital system has a very close working relationship with a certain federal entity charged with Disease Control.

I'm more convinced than ever the whole thing is a scam.

Blogger VFM #7634 July 30, 2020 7:39 AM  

I definitely don’t want to get this virus; it can have long lasting and unpredictable effects, even after it’s passed. And you can get it again.

Anecdotes aside, that's just flat-out wrong. The lamestream media keeps saying that, but it's not true for the vast majority of people.

If you could get it again, previously hard-hit states like New York would've seen a new spike this past month along with the rest of the country. But they haven't.

Because people have turned up at doctors and hospitals with lung scarring, serious blood clotting and other damage AFTER being declared “recovered “ from Covid. Lung scarring doesn’t heal.

But what proportion of all people who get it have those complications? MSM anecdotes don't count when we have no idea how common that problem is.

Another one is the MSM blaring on about pediatric deaths. But the seasonal flu kills more children than this bug does.

Blogger Owen July 30, 2020 10:27 AM  

Anecdotes are what doubters call real world examples. Now it may be that the people who claim to have got it again just had bad tests the second time. That’s more common than the medical authorities would like. But there’s no doubt that many people have had a second onset of serious illness after being cleared and symptom free for some period. That’s not super surprising; many colds are caused by corona viruses and we keep getting colds over and over; I.e., the antibodies aren’t persistent. NY and California ARE getting recent spikes.

I don’t know what proportion of people get serious complications but some people do and they are not always old people with serious comorbidities. I’ve heard the flu figures before, but aren’t they estimates? I don’t think they test everyone. Not that the Covid numbers are always straight... in particular I think the Chinese figures are bogus.

The point is, I’d REALLY rather not get this thing if I can avoid it. I’ll relax my guard a bit when we get a handle on this thing. Until then, I’ll avoid it like the plague that it is.

Blogger Darren July 30, 2020 10:43 AM  

(!) W = single letter for Wayfair, wow how did they manage that?

And speaking of the incredible, their puppet @jack was never removed as CEO of Twitter during the 2015/2016 nosedive -- how did shareholders not riot over this?
https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/TWTR

Blogger phunktor July 30, 2020 11:12 AM  

And toxins. You can't ignore toxins.
They're worse than chemtrails.

One.Simple.Trick...
Ignorant gullible fools abound.

Blogger Owen July 30, 2020 1:38 PM  

Why then were South Korea and Taiwan able to stop the spread of the virus but we have not? Part of it was strict contact tracing but they also wear masks. If what you say is true, they would still see increased cases but they do not.

Blogger Owen July 30, 2020 1:40 PM  

They also wear masks as a matter of course.

Blogger Bezzle July 30, 2020 8:59 PM  

@83. Darren July 30, 2020 10:43 AM
(!) W = single letter for Wayfair, wow how did they manage that?
And speaking of the incredible, their puppet @jack was never removed as CEO of Twitter during the 2015/2016 nosedive -- how did shareholders not riot over this? https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/TWTR


- For the real market corruption this year, you have to look to flat-lined dead husks that suddenly announced receiving a boatload of FedGov swag for medical research. For instance, how would you like to be at Goldman-Sachs or JPM trade-desk front-running the Eastman-Kodak deal by snapping up $2.10 shares at 30% margin-requirements to unload them a few days later at +$50 for a tidy x75 multiplier?

We are scalp-deep into the Vampire Economy phase of this thing.

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