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Saturday, August 01, 2020

Lauren Southern goes after Patreon

Patreon's problems are rapidly metastasizing:
Lauren Southern revealed that she is taking the first steps into suing Patreon for deplatforming her. Earlier this week, Patreon lost a lawsuit against fans of Owen Benjamin, who was kicked off the platform due to allegedly violating their policies on hate speech, inspiring Southern to take similar action against the platform.

Southern, the Canadian investigative journalist, was one of the first prominent conservatives to be removed from Patreon in 2017. Southern went on to crowd fund documentaries without the help of the platform.

Speaking to National File, Southern revealed that she is speaking with attorney Marc Randazza, the lawyer who handled the cases of the Owen Benjamin fans, on Friday “to see what steps we can take going forward with Patreon.”

“After the initial case was won this week, I tweeted that any former donors of mine should get in touch if they want to join us in an action against Patreon,” Southern told National File, before acknowledging that “While the initial judgement declared that ‘Patreon changed the rules in the middle of the game’ by changing their Terms of Service, this may not apply to our case.”

Southern continued, “If you have logged into Patreon and accept the new ToS, then you likely will not be eligible to join this action. However, anyone who has deleted their account since the ToS change, or simply not logged in, would not be affected by this.”
As it happens, she's incorrect. Every single user of Patreon has a very strong, virtually open-and-shut legal case against Patreon, as its deceptive practices are literally written into every single version of its Terms of Use, including all three enacted in 2020. While its true that Lauren's supporters will have additional claims related to her deplatforming, the media coverage considerably underestimates the vulnerability of Patreon's position due to its lack of knowledge of California law.

Which lack of knowledge it clearly shares with Patreon's outside counsel. The amusing thing is that it was Patreon's attempt to strike back at the 72 Bears that led the Legal Legion to the analysis revealing what in retrospect is an absurdly obvious self-destruct button that almost anyone can press at will.

Sadly, this excludes me, as I am not, and I have never been, a Patreon user. I just like to read rulebooks. Frankly, if lawyers knew anything at all about wargames, the first questions they should ask an opposing disputant is if they play Advanced Squad Leader and for how long. If the answers are "yes" and "more than 10 years", immediately advise the client to settle.

The intricacies of case law and legal theory are like retarded child's play compared to the ASL rules for everything from routing to vehicular attacks. Consider, for example, the procedure required to calculate the correct Firepower (FP) total while conducting an Overrun attack on exposed infantry by a vehicle.
7.11 FP: The FP base for an OVR is one FP for an unarmored vehicle, two FP for an AFV, or four FP for an AFV whose MA is manned and functioning and is not a MG, FT, MTR, ATR or IFE-capable. The FP base is modified by adding to it the tripled (TPBF) and halved (Bounding First Fire) FP of all manned and functioning MG/IFE armament on the vehicle [EXC: RMG do not add to OVR FP]. CE armored halftrack (only) Passengers can add one-half (and the Passengers/Riders of other vehicles can add one-fourth) of their printed FP to an OVR, but this too is subject to TPBF. All FT FP is added normally with no TPBF/halving adjustment. The total FP of an OVR is halved if the vehicle becomes Immobile or destroyed before it can resolve its OVR (in addition to any halving vs a concealed target; A12.13), but combat results vs Passengers/Riders after an OVR declaration do not affect the OVR FP. The halving of FP for Motion/ Non-Stopped Fire does not apply to OVR FP. 
Of course, one can't blindly apply the rules as written, as one has to keep in mind the game's equivalent of case law, which consists of the expert exegeses, the examples and the errata as well.
The IFT DR will be on the 8 FP column, with a +1 DRM because all of the Tiger’s AF are equal to or better than 8. This +1 DRM is found in Note 3 on the AFV Destruction Table, and also in Rule 7.11. Note, however, the typo at the end of Rule 7.11: it should read ‘+1 if all AF are greater than or equal to 8.’ 
Wait, what typo? That doesn't look right! (checks rulebook version) Oh, never mind, that reference to Rule 7.11 refers to C 7.11 TK# DERIVATION rather than D 7.11 FP, so no +1 DRM.(1)

Now are you beginning to understand why Terms of Use and legal citations are so easy and relaxing to read by comparison? And in not-entirely-unrelated news, the Daily Dot updates its hit piece on Big Bear:
Update 8:35am CT, July 31: On July 30, Patreon lost the suit in California state court. The claims will now be arbitrated individually.

(1) Of course, as is my wont, I left a little trap for the first ASLer tempted to sperg about this. 100 points to the first non-ASLer who can spot what it is. -100 points to the first ASLer to fall for it. If you play ASL and you see it, keep your mouth shut and see who doesn't.

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69 Comments:

Blogger Scott August 01, 2020 8:26 AM  

Wow I barely remember that from Junior High days. I think I switched to Napoleonics rules later, as I enjoyed painting miniatures.

Blogger My 1 millionth internet profile August 01, 2020 8:37 AM  

the Daily Dot updates its hit piece on Big Bear

And man, is she upset that people are pointing out she was a complete dupe.

What are those points good for? Not that I'm going to earn them, although I do love the sentence "The FP base for an OVR is one FP for an unarmored vehicle, two FP for an AFV, or four FP for an AFV whose MA is manned and functioning and is not a MG, FT, MTR, ATR or IFE-capable" simply for the acronym overload. WETSU!

Blogger Dole August 01, 2020 9:04 AM  

@VD Sargon's fan are also now wanting to go after Patreon. Is there a possibility of writing some instructions for them? Many also have interest in paying the $250 fee, maybe possible legal costs...

Sargon should definitely sue Patreon. The termination of his account was illegal. The argument that it would be too harsh for those whose livelihood depends on Patreon is laughable cuckery.

Blogger Silent Draco August 01, 2020 9:07 AM  

“I spent a decade reading and editing ASL rules.”
(Dread Pirate Wesley voice)

I'll need to re-read the ASL rules. Been a while.

Blogger FUBARwest August 01, 2020 9:07 AM  

And Air BnB decided to step into the ring voluntarily?

I'll get the popcorn.

Blogger Kraemer August 01, 2020 9:08 AM  

After attempting to read the ASL passages, I feel illiterate. Is that normal?

Blogger d August 01, 2020 9:09 AM  

"It backfired ... Update"

LMFAO @ yellow journos of Daily Dolts.

Blogger Dan in Georgia August 01, 2020 9:17 AM  

Sargon better go hurry up and get in line if he wants a piece of what's left of Patreon.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( The Surprised Pig hadn't had any idea he tasted this good ) August 01, 2020 9:26 AM  

good thing i didn't play ASL, i can't fall into Vox's trap.

Blogger ar10308 August 01, 2020 9:37 AM  

Not sure where the idea that logging on to Patreon means you can't file against them cane about. Sargon repeated it in his stream yesterday, too. The Legal Legion could legitimately start their own firm based entirely on arbitrating against bad actors in Silicon Valley and run all the way to the bank.

Randazza did a good job at getting Patreon's suit denied, but I don't think they have the cunning and craving for bounced rubble and skulls that the Legion has.

Blogger Yossarian August 01, 2020 9:58 AM  

Patreon be like: "Nani??"

Blogger Rabid Ratel August 01, 2020 10:07 AM  

So these lawyers are basically a bunch of noobs trying to play ASL against the SDL and LLoE.

Lawyers seldom understand the law they practise. Knowing and understanding is not the same thing.
Nor do they think about or understand the long-term ramifications of the law.

Playing against the SDL & LLoE, given these handicaps, will lead to a shortage of popcorn.

Blogger Wayne August 01, 2020 10:23 AM  

Did IndieGoGo have better lawyers than Patreon? It appears that is the case as they hit the bat chute early in the process.

Blogger CostelloM August 01, 2020 10:26 AM  

And to think I used to believe that Star Fleet Battles rules were complex...

Blogger McChuck August 01, 2020 10:35 AM  

Don't forget Star Fleet Battles. When I stopped playing, the core rules were in three volumes, and stacked about six inches high. A quick search of the site shows there are currently 37 separate rule books for this game. That doesn't include the years of rules and errata published in the magazine.

The 2012 "silver edition" of the master rulebook boasts 460 pages. You can't play the game with it, because it doesn't include any charts, maps, diagrams, forms, etc.

The joke twenty years ago was that tournament play consisted of flying your ships to two hex range and then firing overloaded rulebooks at each other.

Blogger Ken Prescott August 01, 2020 10:39 AM  

Should also ask the same questions about Star Fleet Battles.

Blogger tbourdon August 01, 2020 10:41 AM  

Of course the big difference is that with these types of games the participants agree that when a pair of dice are rolled for a total of nine that it's actually nine. As we continually are reminded in court rooms, judges are free to say, nah, I know you think the dice read nine but I interpret them as ten. See Judges Sullivan and Roberts.

Blogger nyan August 01, 2020 10:42 AM  

God bless you, Vox. You describing Advanced Squad Leader and its relation to your exploration of Californian law is very relatable. I'm going through a rather parallel process right now in doing my sister's corporate taxes, having implemented/automated income tax calculation, deductions calculation, et cetera previously from tax-org documentation.

Once again, our familiarity with Logos bears wonderful fruit for those we love, and our universal competence happens effortlessly out of experience, which always points at God's involvement.

No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.

Blogger Doktor Jeep August 01, 2020 11:20 AM  

Now for wrath. Now for ruin..

Blogger Br1cht August 01, 2020 11:29 AM  

Likely they put forward Ms. Southern to loudly proclaim that piece of disinformation while "attacking" Patreon. She was ever a puppet of Soros organization.

Blogger Eduardo August 01, 2020 11:41 AM  

Vox pushes a tile on his office wall. The wall slides showing a secret wooden door with a large mask carved on it, under it lies the inscription "War Room". The door gives access to a dark and large room, lit by candles with a giant table made of fine redwood, perfectly centered in the middle of it. On top of it, a giant warzone mock-up of 10x10 meters greets and intimidates you. It was like an old battlefield, probably from World War II, maybe the Ardennes or Normandy, but it could be Minnesota in a dark nearby future.

The walls sing to the glories of warfare. The room's walls are filled with rule books, war history books, political history books, pictures of old generals, military gear specs, guns, swords, shields; and pictures of bright men defeated in this very room, but none seem sad, they have wine on their hands.

Vox throws a few dices over the miniature: "Gaming in the morning smells like... "

The pieces moved on their own as if they had a life of their own, speakers installed under the table and around the room gave the impression of a marching army going by.

Psykosonik was playing in the back for some reason...

Blogger Section 8A August 01, 2020 11:48 AM  

"I just like to read rulebooks."

Reading this gave me a feeling of peace. An atavistic connection was made as I remember telling people why I tirelessly read about and study long defunct railroads: "I just like trains."

Blogger Argus Bacchus August 01, 2020 12:04 PM  

"The Daily Dot updates its hit piece on Big Bear:"

What a letdown that there's no snarky
insights in the update from authoress Claire Goforth.

You would think that a writer who covers unicorns, which she mentioned with pride in her previous Daily Dot bio, would come up with at least some sort of riposte.

Like so many other things in the West, the caliber of unicorn writers isn't what it used to be.

Blogger Darren August 01, 2020 12:26 PM  

Marc Randazza will soon need to clone himself...
https://nationalfile.com/exclusive-lauren-southern-taking-first-steps-to-sue-patreon/ " Speaking to National File, Southern revealed that she is speaking with attorney Marc Randazza, the lawyer who handled the cases of the Owen Benjamin fans, on Friday “to see what steps we can take going forward with Patreon.” "

This is the best timeline. After Sargon did his hilariously passionate livestream*** -- "You get what you deserve, Jack Conte. I can't tell my audience what to do, but ... [wink?] I am not sure if I want Patreon to die because of all the innocent human shield creators that will suffer" -- now even Tim Pool is *warning* those normies...

https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1289560224769089538
"If you still use Patreon you should consider warning your subscribers about potential disruption.
Due to the legal defeat they recently faced some lawyers are speculating that Patreon will collapse under the weight of legal costs.
You Could LOSE Your entire income stream"

...so, no excuses now. Scorched Earth.

*** "It's not about the money" https://www.bitchute.com/video/jvA05bOCQVk/
https://youtu.be/jvA05bOCQVk

Blogger Angantyr August 01, 2020 12:26 PM  

And I thought Star Fleet Lawyers... err... "Battles" was bad... SFB is positively clearly written by comparison.

Blogger VD August 01, 2020 12:29 PM  

Did IndieGoGo have better lawyers than Patreon?

Yes, they hired one of the best law firms in Silicon Valley, one that is ranked as one of the top 3 venture capital firms and ranks as one of the top 25 global arbitration practices. Patreon hired a boutique firm out of Oakland that specializes in litigation.

Neither of them can hope to compete with the Legal Legion. The difference is that IGG's case law game was better than the Legion's then, but the Legion has improved it to the point that their case law is much better than Patreon's counsel's case law game.

Hence "the cases Patreon cited for the first time at the hearing do not support its position".

Blogger cyrus83 August 01, 2020 12:34 PM  

Those ASL rules make sales tax law and its related regulations and guidance look like child's play in comparison.

Blogger Dole August 01, 2020 12:37 PM  

The video of Sargon also discussing the possibility of suing Patreon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvA05bOCQVk

Cerno unfortunately stated that "Patreon is net good" for providing income to many creators. This is false, but even if not, being a net good is not good enough reason to forfeit from suing someone for a clear wrong-doing. A truly good company would understand, repent the wrong-doing and right the wrongs.

However, given that Patreon originates from the depths of the nether world it should be easy to come to the correct conclusion. Patreon would have banned Sargon even sooner if it was revealed he was "net good". Many more people will retain their incomes by cancelling the cancel culture.

Blogger VD August 01, 2020 12:39 PM  

Not sure where the idea that logging on to Patreon means you can't file against them cane about.

On July 16th they changed their Terms of Use again and now have a click-wrap notification, as opposed to the unenforceable January 1st browse-wrap claim that logging in means accepting the Terms.

Blogger Beans August 01, 2020 12:46 PM  

Kraemer - it's not that the rules are incomprehensible to mere mortals. It's the fact that Avalon Hill released ASL to clarify and simplify the regular Squad Leader rules that got kind of bodged by the supplements (Original Squad Leader only included Germans, Russians and Americans with only a few of the tanks, trucks, cannon and support supplies and was an easy game to play. Further supplements introduced more Germans and Russians and more of their stuff, Americans with all of their stuff, British (up to the Fall of France, then later all the other British stuff) and so forth. With new or 'enhanced' rules to make the game 'play better.'

It would be equivalent of taking Monopoly (please!) and then improving and simplifying it by handing it over to the IRS to adjust the rules.

Great game, ASL, and they really did a good job of thinking about every little item that modifies combat. But... like later versions of Dungeons and Dragons, more emphasis on the 'official rules' and less emphasis on playability and imagination.

Which is sad. I know some ASL players who, before playing, decide which rules they will ignore because they only have a weekend to play 5 or 6 squads slogging it out in a scenario actually based on a fight that lasted 2 hours.

Blogger Jack Amok August 01, 2020 12:56 PM  

It's been years since I was an active ASL player, but I was once was so I'll keep my mouth shut but I'm pretty sure I spotted Vox's misdirection.

For Patreon, it's funny that CA law is such a downer for the SJW crowd. California progs are still reflexively anti-business (or in some cases, pro-troublemaking customer) even though they're now hosting a bunch of businesses that are their allies. It is also a reminder to us that the old Liberal-Conservative split was a phony split. Some of the old liberal positions are valid positions, like protecting consumers from exploitative companies.

We've hopefully already figured out what conservative positions were trash. The cohesive right-wing position of the future will incorporate some of the old left-wing. Not the commie/socialist parts, but the protection for the little guy parts.

Blogger Teleros August 01, 2020 1:16 PM  

Had a go at VD's little challenge, working shown below. Not touched ASL before so I turned all the abbreviations back into English, and when I got to the quoted errata I had to find out if a higher or lower dice roll was a better result in ASL.

Anyway, based on that, I can't see anything wrong with the errata, so back to the main bit of the rules. Time to eliminate stuff, working backwards. Final sentence ("The halving of FP...") - looks okay. Penultimate sentence ("The total FP of an OVR...") - ditto.

"All FT FP..." seems weird that Flamethrowers don't give anything to the base FP, but I assume that's because their FP values are greater than 4, so it'd be a nerf to them. Okay, that makes sense for overrunning infantry.

"CE armoured halftrack..." hmm. "This too is subject to TPBF" smells fishy. Moving on for now.

"The FP base..." makes me wonder why you add the tripled AND halved FP values, but I assume an overrun means you're moving (so Bounding First Fire sounds appropriate) and shooting at very close range (literally overrunning a position), so I guess that's okay too. Rear MGs not adding anything... yeah I can understand that.

That just leaves me with the first sentence, and I can't find anything wrong there (see note about Flamethrowers above).

So based on that, I think VD did something to the following line:

"CE armored halftrack (only) Passengers can add one-half (and the Passengers/Riders of other vehicles can add one-fourth) of their printed FP to an OVR, but this too is subject to TPBF."

Are these weapons not also subject to the Bounding First Fire rule? I assume based on the name & effect (halving Firepower) that it means if you move and shoot you're less accurate, which vehicle passengers most assuredly should be. The fact that they benefit from the TPBF rule but NOT the BFF one is definitely fishy.

(Wrote this up when the last visible comment was #29. Fingers crossed :) .)

Blogger Groffin August 01, 2020 1:17 PM  

Patreon is a mid-sized coastal catch in the grand scheme of “Digital Financial Transaction Infrastructure”. People need to go after PayPal, MasterCard, and especially Visa next, or somehow manipulate Patreon into kicking the tortuous claims up the chain and dragging them down with it for pressuring it into being so ban-happy in the first place. Maybe hit the web-hosts too. And this needs to be done ASAP.
Burning crowd-funders is a good opening salvo, but nothing major gets fixed until we manage to put the screws to the big-name money-handlers at the foundation of the pyramid, and the window of opportunity shrinks even as we crawl through.

Blogger VD August 01, 2020 1:36 PM  

Sorry, Teleros. Nice effort, but no.

Blogger VD August 01, 2020 1:59 PM  

nothing major gets fixed until we manage to put the screws to the big-name money-handlers

"We", Groffin?

Who are these "people" who "need to go" after various companies? And why aren't you doing it already?

Blogger Jason the Gentleman August 01, 2020 2:08 PM  

@VD - I joined in the 'noticing' by contacting the lawyer as requested with my info a while back to join in - does that effectively mean I'm taking part in this as much as I'm able to? Or is there yet more still that I can do to join in the consumer protectioning?

Blogger Daniel August 01, 2020 2:47 PM  

ASL practically can't be computerized other than through a sort of simplified emulation. The errata alone can knot up "corrections" but, more importantly, there are simply too many nuances that AI can't account for, and whose wrong agreements can break the game.

Example: Soviets enter on Turn 1 along the east or west board edge.

Simple, right? Not for AI. The choice certainly can be randomized, but at what percentage? More importantly, the player makes this choice with later strategic goals in mind. The side they choose is dependent on an already existing vision, not just objectives.

Worse: do the above simple instructions necessarily prohibit the player from splitting forces and entering on both edges. (Are they free to enter either edge, or must they pick). Well, the rules provide guidelines for parsing that, but the scenation may adjust the parsing...or there could be a typo.

Blogger Groffin August 01, 2020 2:48 PM  

Vox, I meant exactly what I said: people like Sargon, Southern, et al, and their fans scalping Patreon or Kickstarter for banning them is good in the short-term and as a general direction, but the whack-a-dissident cycle won’t be broken for good until the game is taken directly to the banks and the credit card companies that demonstrably put the pressure on the crowd-fund aggregators to censor so badly in the first place. The video below goes into how that is the case; you don’t have to watch it, but it’s there to show what I’m talking about isn’t made-up rambling:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=LL8U88Lv4eQMlMLKS2pwvf6Q&v=IAM3RPRDncU&index=1408
I haven’t actually put any money into anyone that’s since been banned, so I can’t take action yet, but that doesn’t mean I don’t have an interest in this fight, or that I can’t make a reasoned observation. And frankly, given how often you make posts snapping at Gammas accusing you of not being involved enough in the cultural/legal trench warfare, I’m honestly baffled as to why you took my general statement as a personal challenge and felt the need to go “well, what are YOU doing, huh!?”

Blogger VD August 01, 2020 2:58 PM  

I meant exactly what I said

No one, and I mean literally no one here, cares what you say or mean.

I’m honestly baffled as to why you took my general statement as a personal challenge.

Because you Gammas always want to play armchair strategist and tell other people what they should be doing despite the fact that you're not doing anything at all.

You're not one of us. You haven't stood with us. And you damn sure don't speak or think for any of us.

Blogger Ransom Smith August 01, 2020 3:02 PM  

Burning crowd-funders is a good opening salvo, but nothing major gets fixed until we manage to put the screws to the big-name money-handlers at the foundation of the pyramid, and the window of opportunity shrinks even as we crawl through.
Blah that's such bad advice I felt my first rank of axemen die on impact.
You never never never go after the big target unless you can hit them so hard they won't get back up and you'll only get stronger.
It's basic combat 101 that you never fight an enemy unless your resources can match or close the gap with his.
And if there's one institution that has unironically everything at its disposal, it's the banking/financial industry.

Blogger Damelon Brinn August 01, 2020 3:21 PM  

The argument that it would be too harsh for those whose livelihood depends on Patreon is laughable cuckery.

They can learn to code.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 01, 2020 3:42 PM  

@VD, Groffin has gone full gamma in the comments. I left his latest contributions in the spam folder if you care to read them.

Blogger Megamerc August 01, 2020 3:54 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:@VD, Groffin has gone full gamma in the comments. I left his latest contributions in the spam folder if you care to read them.

Aw man, these can be very amusing sometimes.

Hmm, this popcorn needs butter

Blogger VD August 01, 2020 3:59 PM  

You're banned for Gamma, Groffin. And for breaking the rules of the blog.

Go play armchair general somewhere else.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 01, 2020 4:06 PM  

Megamerc wrote:Aw man, these can be very amusing sometimes.
SamuraiJeff was amusing in the purity of his gammahood.
Groffin is more like a cornered rat. No, scratch that. A cornered chipmunk that thinks he's a badger.

Blogger Silent Draco August 01, 2020 4:17 PM  

Snidely, that's an amazing description. I'll borrow it and attribute it (somehow), being perfect for another Gamma, different environment.

And ... thanks for sparing us. My dosimeter is up after SeppukuJeff; can only take so many Gamma bursts at one time.

Blogger Megamerc August 01, 2020 4:26 PM  

Groffin wrote:anyone calling you a Monday Morning Coach is just whataboutism.

Vox was a former columnist. This is his blog. People come here to read his opinions on purpose. No one comes here to read yours. As far as I've seen, and I've been reading and listening to Vox since 2013, Vox doesn't justify his actions by using relativity. You have no understanding of whataboutism. Did your memes tell you all the things?

You have publicly admitted to blag blag blah blah

Meh. Even butter doesn't help here. Too many lies.

Blogger Megamerc August 01, 2020 4:30 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:No, scratch that. A cornered chipmunk that thinks he's a badger.

I rest my case.

But he lost the amusing quality very very quickly.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 01, 2020 4:38 PM  

And he continues to post as if VD were reading his blithering, instead of someone who doesn't care how many times he insults and accuses Vox. As if Vox were going to bother to read them if he ever does see them.

Blogger Damelon Brinn August 01, 2020 4:59 PM  

Every victory, no matter how large or small, attracts some loser to tell us how it's not really a big deal, there are bigger fish, doom still awaits, too soon to celebrate, blah blah blah. Every single time. A turd in the punchbowl might be amusing once; every time is just tiresome.

Blogger tuberman August 01, 2020 5:24 PM  

50. Damelon Brinn

This is even worse with the Culture Wars, as some have told me in a intense way that the Culture Wars contain no victories, as they don't even exist.

Blogger RadixMalorum August 01, 2020 6:08 PM  

I saw the Sargon stream and wasn't surprised at his reaction. He gloated about Patreon being in trouble but then made a statement half encouraging his fans to take action "if they want to". Talk about demoralizing and weak. Imagine if any general talked like that to his troops before battle. There would be mass desertions and mutiny.

This just proves the old adage “An army of sheep led by a lion is better than an army of lions led by a sheep.”. I suspect even if Sargon's fans do take action he probably can't get as many people as Owen to show up despite having an order of magnitude more followers. No one wants to follow a weakling who doesn't rally the morale of his troops.

Blogger Pedro Rocha August 01, 2020 6:09 PM  

Not an ASLer, so the only thing that pops to mind is "(checks rulebook version)" as in more than one version, and since "one can't blindly apply the rules as written, as one has to keep in mind the game's equivalent of case law, which consists of the expert exegeses, the examples and the errata" I would say that one must be aware of previous iterations of rules and modifications. There may be some incoherence problems, or precedent that make some new rules invalid.

Anywhere near the target?

Blogger qwsae10 August 01, 2020 6:44 PM  

This patreon business is a huge coup for owen and vox. Have read some shade being thrown on this effort from the right, calling it extortion. hope they apologize.

Blogger John E. Boyle August 01, 2020 7:58 PM  

Reading the ASL rules is just like reading the US Federal Tax Code, so...

Nope, can't see it. Dang; it must be staring me right in the face.

Blogger weka August 01, 2020 8:34 PM  

When reading jargon you don't use every day, yes.

Blogger Dangeresque August 01, 2020 8:53 PM  

Southern always struck me as a CIA sex operative. Tell our boy Randazza to observe the Pence rule.

Blogger dweb August 01, 2020 9:37 PM  

Having never played ASL - the errata is probably related to the concealed target calculations related to A12.13.

As in legal docs, footnotes (or the equivalent in ASL) are important.

Blogger FreedMind0102 August 01, 2020 10:17 PM  

"On July 16th they changed their Terms of Use again and now have a click-wrap notification, as opposed to the unenforceable January 1st browse-wrap claim that logging in means accepting the Terms."

I don't recall seeing that notification pop up but I suppose it's not exactly something I can prove.

Blogger HoosierHillbilly August 01, 2020 11:33 PM  

No clue what all that acronym stuff means, but why "so no +1 DRM"? It is referring to where that +1 drm stuff with 8s is coming from. Just because we missed the paragraph does not mean that the +1 drm does not get applied. Not a dang clue what the sentence before means, but any help there would be appreciated in trying to sort out the puzzle.

Blogger Canadian Warlord August 02, 2020 12:49 AM  

Always wondered if Lauren Southern semi-retired a while back to distance herself from Ezra Levant. I've worked with more than one engineer who went to university with that idiot. He had some school newspaper apple polishing job at the U of Alberta (Edmonton), and it's been downhill ever since. He is trying to subvert, redirect, or destroy whatever he can of nationalism or the right in western canada. Talk about a worthless blowhard, 'rebel media' is an embarrassment (oops it's now called 'rebel news').

Blogger JamesB.BKK August 02, 2020 1:38 AM  

Have read some shade being thrown on this effort from the right, calling it extortion. hope they apologize.

If descended from the likes of Wm. Buckley the original deplatformer and "helper" they'll more likely find some way to lend support even as pretending to oppose Patreon's actions.

Blogger Akulkis August 02, 2020 6:22 AM  

>> I think I switched to Napoleonics rules later, as I enjoyed painting miniatures.

That's why I have never got into miniatures. Too much emphasis on aesthetics over solid rules.

Blogger Akulkis August 02, 2020 6:25 AM  

>> After attempting to read the ASL passages, I feel illiterate. Is that normal?

Not only normal for ASL, but similarly so for the original SL/COD/COI/GI:AOV rules which were replaced by the ASL rules.

Blogger Akulkis August 02, 2020 6:27 AM  

>> Randazza did a good job at getting Patreon's suit denied, but I don't think they have the cunning and craving for bounced rubble and skulls that the Legion has.

An attorney's emotional detachment from a case is generally a good thing -- it keeps him from overestimating the strengths and underestimating the weaknesses the case. It's up to the client to have the emotional motivation.

Blogger Akulkis August 02, 2020 7:18 AM  

>>

And I thought Star Fleet Lawyers... err... "Battles" was bad... SFB is positively clearly written by comparison.


ASL's rules ARE clear. Complex, but clear (those acronyms are clearly understood by anybody who plays the game, and are to reduce sentence complexity).

Blogger xevious2030 August 02, 2020 9:05 AM  

Given the bolding, and having no familiarity, derivation being the combination, in better, rather than each, in greater? In other words, pre and post computational?

Blogger Darren August 02, 2020 5:24 PM  

Many of us are also wondering about this!

I #NOTICED from here in Canada if that matters VD.

Blogger The Last Roman August 03, 2020 8:41 PM  

And that's why I was never able to get anyone to play more than one game of the original Squad Leader with me.

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