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Wednesday, September 30, 2020

Gab catches up

Gab now has their own servers:

Today is a tremendous milestone for the Gab community.

After over a year of work Gab has finally migrated to our own in-house servers. We own the hardware, which means no one can ban us from using our own technology to host Gab. If you talk to anyone in the technology industry they will tell you that this is no easy task. Most tech startups have the luxury of using third-part cloud hosting providers like Amazon AWS, Microsoft Azure, and others.

Gab does not have this luxury.

Over the past four years we have been banned from multiple cloud hosting providers and were told that if we didn't like it we should "build our own."

So, that's exactly what we did.

Good for them. I'm not being ironic or sarcastic, this is exactly what independent platforms need to do across the West. That being said, both Infogalactic and SocialGalactic have been on their own servers from the start, and Unauthorized has been on its own much more powerful servers since February.

The enemy has Cloud supremacy, but all this does is force us to be stronger and more independent on the ground. And when they go after the payment processors, the banks, and even the entire SWIFT system, as they will, what they will discover is that they will only succeed in creating even more formidable competitors.

The thing they simply don't seem to grasp is that we're not their only enemies. The entire world is increasingly turning against them.

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36 Comments:

Blogger Keith September 30, 2020 6:39 PM  

Wow I had no idea they didn’t actually have their own servers before. It’s amazing what they were able to do, and I’m glad they got to this point.

Blogger rekrapt September 30, 2020 6:40 PM  

I for one would love to know what kind of hardware UATV is using. It would have to be hard core. Streaming video effectively is no easy task. So awesome you pulling it off. Still can't get UATV to work on Roku, tho. I'm screwing something up somehow. :)

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 September 30, 2020 6:45 PM  

Eventually, Cloud Services will be designated as a utility and as such, will be unable to drop organizations for political reasons.

The US government uses them a lot, so the utility designation may happen without a political motive too.

Blogger Billy September 30, 2020 6:48 PM  

So should we go ahead and start sending silver coins to pay for our dope leather books? If so what’s the address?

Blogger Chip Hazard September 30, 2020 6:48 PM  

I'm all for it. If they add some features, like Video and LIVE Streaming, it's a powerhouse.

Blogger Lazarus September 30, 2020 6:48 PM  

Cloud = globalism. Own platform = techno-tribalism?

Blogger crescent wrench September 30, 2020 6:51 PM  

Their method of attacking payment processors is literally defamation:

They accuse their targets of "illegal activity" and slip them onto the MATCH list.

The only thing required to take down this method of attack is to find someone of standing willing to take this tactic up the appeals chain as a defamation suit, and it'd be an easy defamation suit as financial damages are clear.

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 30, 2020 6:56 PM  

When one of the big cloud services or platforms has a failure cascade that they don't have enough smart people left to stop, it's going to be epic.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 30, 2020 7:05 PM  

"The thing they simply don't seem to grasp is that we're not their only enemies. The entire world is increasingly turning against them."

Their entire program is about a combination of ignoring reality --and punishing people who won't-- until reality goes away. Unsurprisingly, people who haven't died out yet aren't champing at the bit to start now, and will oppose the denialists in proportion to how much they are forced to deal with them.

Blogger DourCdn September 30, 2020 7:07 PM  

Our comapany too decided against the cloud. Originally we ran our servers on a managed colocate where they leased us the servers. Now we just migrated to our own servers. They are cheaper to buy and for 50 servers or less pretty easy to manage. The Way is calling you to follow your own path.

Blogger RadixMalorum September 30, 2020 8:18 PM  

In order for that to happen the nationalists must be in some institutional power first. The left won’t do it since they own the institutions and the cuckservatives won’t do it because “muh free market”. I’d wager these converged systems fall to international competition first before any such legislation.

Blogger Jonathan Bennett September 30, 2020 8:20 PM  

Yes, AWS is super easy to spin a service up on, but you can get your own server in a datacenter for $3000 and $100 a month. The problem is that even then, you're reliant on the Datacenter's continual service, as well as your domain name not getting terminated. (As the Pirate Bay about that one)

Blogger SacrificialLamb September 30, 2020 8:36 PM  

I can't get too excited about this, since Gab is controlled by Israeli Mossad. One controlled opposition Derp State group preventing itself from the inconvenience of being "cancelled" by another Derp State group? At the end of the day, it's still (((Rabbis))) having mild disagreements with other (((Rabbis))).

(((Gab))) is headquartered and registered in the Caribbean island of Anguilla, which is a British Protectorate, a tax haven, and a money laundering (cocaine money) haven. New York Jews party there.

South of Anguilla is the island of St Martin/St Maarten (ruled by the Netherlands and France), and it has a Chabad house. Chabad is a Jewish supremacist cult and international Jewish mafia.

So we have New York Jews partying and money laundering there, and we have Chabad there too....which practically screams for the existence of an Israeli Mossad base. And (((Gab))) is registered THERE?

I'm amazed they didn't create their own cloud hosting provider ages ago.

Blogger IAMSpartacus0000 September 30, 2020 8:38 PM  

I have managed systems in "cloud" and in a typical data center environment. You can absolutely do it cheaper if you have decent engineers and spend the time getting your deployment process set well.

Either using your choice of VM tech or good PXE boot and docker hosts setup. Biggest problem comes when you try to do to much with your setup and dont manage capacity.

Capacity planning is a PITA with most corps and it's just easier to use AWS/GCP/Azure so you don't to deal with corporate lack of planning.

There are many small IT companies that basically serve their geographic area that will be served well with a colo or even running a rack of their own equipment out of their office.

Biggest advantage "Cloud" has is their network connectivity but there are Colo's that can serve you better and cheaper.

That said I make good money because of the Cloud and it has it's uses but most of those uses come about due to corporate laziness or creativity accounting.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 30, 2020 9:05 PM  

This is what I do. AWS/ Azure/ GC provide good service at about 50-200% premium over doing it yourself. Sometimes that makes sense.

More often it's done because it's much harder to budget and finance the purchase of say a $200K storage array, as opposed to paying an ongoing monthly expense of $7K. Most organizations are really really brain dead about budgeting IT expenditures, even when their entire business is based out of IT. I guess it's a symptom of the Board trying to pretend they are doing something for the company.

The good thing about going to cloud is that it more or less forces you into a better systems management style. Other than that and the ability to scale dramatically now and pay later, there's not much advantage. Every single option or ability present in AWS is available in OpenStack, and all of them you're likely to use are available on VMWare and whatever the Microsoft hypervisor is.

Blogger Canada78Bear September 30, 2020 9:56 PM  

There was no cloud during .COM era and websites built it themselves. How it took GAB this long is astounding. The dating site plentyoffish ran their own modest servers 10+ years ago with Craigslist like interface.

The cost of cloud or hosting has blown well past commodity hardware DIY as the industry has adopted 'solve it with hardware' mentality. Bloatware is an order of magnitude smaller than work product being delivered today.

Blogger rognuald September 30, 2020 10:39 PM  

Alienating a large segment of the country AND the rest of the world isn't a good survival strategy.

Blogger Unknownsailor September 30, 2020 10:43 PM  

I heard this first from Carl Denninger:

If your data is not on hardware you own and control, it is not your data.

I am very much anti-cloud anything for this very reason.

I hope you are willing to start using your Gab account again, Vox. I know why you left, but the place has grown tremendously since then.

Blogger Seeingsights October 01, 2020 12:23 AM  

On a related note:

Coinbase CEO Brian Armstrong appears determined to decouple his company’s business ethic from that currently predominant in Silicon Valley, that happily mixes social activism with professional priorities.

The CEO has offered a buy-out to unhappy employees.

At first I thought, a simpler solution to the problem faced by the CEO is to fire the Social Justice Warriors.

But then I realized that the company is in California, where state laws make the problem more complicated.

James Damore relied on such laws to his advantage.

Another solution to the problem faced by the CEO is to move out of California.

Reclaim the Net article here: https://reclaimthenet.org/coinbase-ceo-offers-exit-package-to-activist-employees/

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 01, 2020 1:30 AM  

"If your data is not on hardware you own and control, it is not your data."

I don't know what part of that isn't immediately obvious to people. The cloud is only as good as the people operating it, and that includes both quality and trustworthiness. If you don't know them personally, why would you trust them with anything important? We really do have way too much trust in certain things.

Blogger cyrus83 October 01, 2020 1:55 AM  

I've lurked on Gab for a while to follow people who were banned from other platforms, I'm happy they are doing better.

I am against cloud services in general in the business context, it is simply too easy for the third party provider to hold data hostage. I had a situation once where a cloud software provider only permitted full access to data for about a year before they archived it on their end. If we needed to access it for any reason after that, we had to pay hundreds of dollars per instance for temporary access. Not good when most business records need to be preserved for a minimum of 3 to 7 years.

Blogger Bezzle October 01, 2020 1:57 AM  

Alienating a large segment of the country AND the rest of the world isn't a good survival strategy

You can do anything you want, if you're vicious enough to not give a damn about external public perception.

The Soviets could have annihilated Afghanistan if they wanted to, but they wouldn't commit to wholesale slaughter when the rest of the world started snipping about it.

China, otoh, thinks nothing about spending over half a century slowly exterminating the population of a conquered region.

Liberty is a historical aberration.

Blogger Shimshon October 01, 2020 3:25 AM  

Kennedy ran on a Missile Gap. Trump should run on a Cloud Gap.

I don't want to sound like I'm complaining, because I'm not going to stop supporting UA regardless. It could be because I'm in Israel, but UA videos are unwatchable for me. The streaming interruptions are constant, literally every few seconds. Which is strange because if I download the video, the download speed is plenty fast. I'd rather not download to view, but that's what I have to do.

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli October 01, 2020 3:46 AM  

Lazarus wrote:Cloud = globalism. Own platform = techno-tribalism?

Or maybe Cloud = Big Brother.

If it's owned or run by Eskimos, then it's virtually worthless and the same as having a CIA-run social media site. Don't use it.

Continue building your own.

Blogger Harambe October 01, 2020 4:20 AM  

Couldn't have been cheap either.

Blogger Raker_T October 01, 2020 9:10 AM  

So eventually, the -right- people will have servers big enough to offer hosting services? Galactic Daddy?

Blogger RandyB October 01, 2020 9:26 AM  

Cloud moves the cost from CapEx - and Payroll, they wish - to OpEx, which the money people love to see.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 01, 2020 12:56 PM  

RandyB wrote:Cloud moves the cost from CapEx - and Payroll, they wish - to OpEx,

Exactly. That's what the premium pays for.

Blogger Valar Addemmis October 01, 2020 1:31 PM  

swiftfoxmark2 wrote:Eventually, Cloud Services will be designated as a utility and as such, will be unable to drop organizations for political reasons.

The US government uses them a lot, so the utility designation may happen without a political motive too.


You don't seem to understand the game. Almost nobody claims they are dropping customers for political reasons. There is always a health and safety (or criminality) reason.

There could be carte blanche ban on dropping customers for political reasons and the landscape of deplatforming would look exactly the same. There would be a possible disparate impact avenue of attack opened (that is, they ban far more on the Right than the Left), but that would only work in cases where the deplatformers are being willfully sloppy.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 01, 2020 4:53 PM  

Valar Addemmis wrote:You don't seem to understand the game. Almost nobody claims they are dropping customers for political reasons. There is always a health and safety (or criminality) reason.
If you say I'm a criminal before I'm convicted, I have a defamation case against you, just for starters. There is a reason all the media talks about ``alleged'' crimes.

Blogger Valar Addemmis October 01, 2020 6:16 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:

If you say I'm a criminal before I'm convicted, I have a defamation case against you, just for starters. There is a reason all the media talks about ``alleged'' crimes.


Sure. And if other people claim to me that you are doing bad things, scaring people, risking their health, or even if those people defame you and call you a criminal, and I choose to cut you off from my business which is providing your web hosting (as I ensured I had the ability to in any hosting agreements we have), what do you have? I make no such claims; I simply don't want a problematic client (or so I pose, in this scenario).

At some point, tortious interference gives way to "legitimate" reasons to drop a customer. Not to sound like I'm criticizing any ongoing tortious intereference claims (go team!). This started with me just noting that "utility designation" precluding overt political censorship would have very little (or no) impact at all on the current deplatforming efforts.

Blogger Boo Boo the Fool, Esquire October 01, 2020 11:50 PM  

Among other things, the Cloud is the primary engine of money laundering in Silicon Valley. It is easy to overcharge fellow cabal customers for CPU-hours that never get used. This is also what Tesla does, sell expensive vehicles that never get built. The whole point of the Cloud is so they can pull the plug on everyone at once and bring them into the NWO under duress, which is the same end-goal as centralized power companies.

Something to look out for: private DNS directories. We haven't yet seen the intended fruits of Obama giving away ICANN.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 02, 2020 1:02 AM  

Boo Boo the Fool, Esquire wrote:The whole point of the Cloud is so they can pull the plug on everyone at once and bring them into the NWO under duress, which is the same end-goal as centralized power companies.
As someone who works with them on a daily basis, I can say you have a much more generous estimate of their competence than I think is warranted.

Blogger Damelon Brinn October 02, 2020 8:00 AM  

As someone who works with them on a daily basis, I can say you have a much more generous estimate of their competence than I think is warranted.

Ditto. If you're using them, incompetence is what should keep you up at night, not their master plans. I have a $5/month server at Digital Ocean that I use for some unimportant things. The first few years I had it, the service seemed rock solid. In the past couple years there have been more few-second network outages, and at times it doesn't seem like the CPU/disk resources are what they're supposed to be. And they laid off a bunch of people this year. There's no way to know what's going on behind the snazzy web sites and dashboards at these companies. For all I know, there's one guy frantically running around doing the work of ten, and when he calls it quits, my "server" will just disappear. I've seen it happen at small providers; nothing says it can't happen to a big one.

Also, if you're using one of the big cloud providers, you're already in the NWO. Why would they need to make you move anywhere?

Blogger Unknown October 04, 2020 9:03 PM  

I have ROKU. I pay UA monthly despite no access. Now youtube has some videos. Please keep trying. We appreciate it!

Blogger Bezzle October 04, 2020 11:37 PM  

Is this the same Gab on which you still can't delete a post you've shared to your timeline if you later change your mind?

It may not be a ghetto, but they need to fire some chairwarmers over there.

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