Tuesday, September 15, 2020

Mailvox: the ideas, they spread

 Readers note some familiar ideas popping up in some unfamiliar places.

Holy cow, Michael Anton’s new book reads like he’s been swiping you for years. In fact I’m shocked at how far he and the Claremont Institute are pushing the envelope.

“In sum, America is for the Americans—just as France is for the French, India for the Indians, Israel for the Israelis, Japan for the Japanese, Mexico for the Mexicans, and each of the world’s countries for its particular people. That’s not to say, necessarily, that America should never take in immigrants—though I personally think that, after fifty-five years and at least ninety million newcomers and their descendants, a moratorium is warranted, not least in order to assimilate this latest wave. It is to say that America is not the common property of all mankind, that every one of the world’s nearly eight billion people is not “more American than the Americans.” If everyone in the world is American—actually or potentially—then no one is. The logic of immigration absolutism leads to its own unraveling: in insisting on the universality of Americanness, it strips Americanism of all distinction or meaning. The ruling class welcomes that outcome. Have any of the “conservatives” thought it through?"

It sounds as if he might have read Cuckservative. And then there are these observations on the effects of social justice on an organization:

People like @GadSaad, @ConceptualJames and @PeterBoghossian have been saying once you let social justice in an organization it will eventually destroy it. (Even if well intentioned, it deviates from the core org goals.)

- Dave Rubin

I believe that's what is called "convergence". Someone may have written a book or two about it. 

I'm not at all bothered at the fact that the popularizers will be credited for these ideas, as Friedrich von Hayek recognized the problem with social justice and J.S. Mill decades before I did, and the idea that American universality is self-negating is logically inescapable. Anyone who actually thinks the matter through will necessarily reach the same conclusion. We don't create truth, we can only observe it.

Anyhow, I'm very pleased to observe that my personal radioactivity is proving insufficient to prevent these ideas, and more, from escaping this particular intellectual ghetto and permeating the mainstream discourse.



Blogger KBuff September 15, 2020 1:11 AM  

Personal radioactivity. Maybe to some, but not here.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch September 15, 2020 1:43 AM  

"I'm not at all bothered at the fact that the popularizers will be credited for these ideas..."

There's actually a lot of concepts and terminology that you first mention here, at this blog, and then it later trickles into the national discussion. It's why I keep reading this blog.

Blogger Ska_Boss September 15, 2020 1:45 AM  

The fire rises.

Blogger RadixMalorum September 15, 2020 1:52 AM  

The truth is only radioactive to liars.

Blogger "William Berke" September 15, 2020 1:58 AM  

May your enemies be fortunate.

Blogger Cinco September 15, 2020 1:59 AM  

This is not an intellectual ghetto VD, it’s an intellectual paradise filled with wisdom, humor and truth. This island is not for everyone, nor should it be; and, may it go in for at least another ~20 years!

Blogger Autarky Bear September 15, 2020 2:05 AM  

This should be obvious to most people, but the civic nationalism sold to Americans in the 40s and 50s was so deeply accepted that even if possible to undo, the damage has already been done. The only way it will change is with the inevitable collapse that eventually breaks the USA into geographic regional governments that produce city-states and new countries with distinct nations coming out of each one.

Blogger map September 15, 2020 2:10 AM  

I have to admit, Tucker Carlson is fantastic. Watching some of his shows in re-runs.

His monologue now is how a lot of these affluent white kids rioting with BLM have stunted economic opportunities compared to their parents. He'll talk about the usual brainwashing and I quote:

"For many of them, underneath it all, they are frustrated and rightly so, by vanishing economic opportunity. They sense, correctly, that they will never be as successful as their parent's generation. For them, the American dream has died, so they no longer believe in America. All of that combined [brainwashing, decadence, boredom] accounts for all of the radicalism you are watching."

Of course, Tucker is against rioting because it is rioting.

Great stuff. Tucker's writing team could scraping material from here.

Blogger Gregory the Tall September 15, 2020 2:35 AM  

If they admitted whom they are really quoting everybody would go right to the original.

Blogger rumpole5 September 15, 2020 3:23 AM  

May the glow never dim!

Blogger Rattlesnake_Kid September 15, 2020 3:43 AM  

@Cinco, ghettos were not thw unilaterally enforced jewish containment regions they are made out to be. Common rabbis opposed emancipation as they feared losing jurisdiction, and the integration/dissolution of jewry. I prefer VP remain a ghetto.

Blogger jessant September 15, 2020 3:56 AM  

I'm really glad I found you at this time in history. A lot of what you are saying has been echoed by others in the Sanatana Dharma circles on youtube, particularly DharmaNation. It's nice to get a Christian perspective on what is happening.

Blogger IAMSpartacus0000 September 15, 2020 3:58 AM  

We live in the upside down where good is evil and evil is good.

We don't call him "The Dark Lord" for nothing

Blogger papabear September 15, 2020 4:12 AM  

Apparently not everyone associated with Claremont is a cuck. Some will even engage with parts of the alt-right.

Blogger tublecane September 15, 2020 5:43 AM  

Come to think of it, I read volume two of Law, Legislation, and Liberty, subtitled the Mirage of Social Justice, before I discovered this blog. So my head was sufficiently softened up for your message.

Blogger Shakey September 15, 2020 5:54 AM  

One man's radioactive glow is another mans beacon in the dark.

Blogger Brett baker September 15, 2020 6:02 AM  

Wonder how long until National Review declares Claremont isn't "conservative"?

Blogger Kari Hall September 15, 2020 6:11 AM  

Vox. you said it a long time ago, eventually they will all be far-right as there is no other place to go.

Blogger Attila is my bro September 15, 2020 6:14 AM  

Je suis radioactive.

Blogger Grooveware September 15, 2020 6:26 AM  

This is my go to site every day, informative topics and responses, finest blog in the Shire.

Blogger Balkan Yankee September 15, 2020 6:31 AM  

Obvious truth is obvious. Even if all the Right people are slow to catch on.

The flipside is that all the Left people are now whining about "nativism" as if Birth of a Nation was just released for the first time on Netflix.

Blogger Doktor Jeep September 15, 2020 6:56 AM  

Has anybody noticed a run on skull polish and boxed wine lately?

Blogger Apoliteia September 15, 2020 7:15 AM  

[...] Friedrich von Hayek recognized the problem with social justice and J.S. Mill decades before I did[...]

Same could be said of Julius Evola phrasing the logical phallacy and accompanied ugliness of egalitarianism, as the said concept was becoming prevalent in post-war Europe via American example.

One could go even farther, of course (Joseph de Maistre comes to mind), but it was more mainstream back when modern democracy was only experimented with.

Who first said it is not as important, I guess, as who brings it up in a fashion fitting the time and place so that it catches on. That it is said at all is what counts.

An OT question: how known is Evola in American scene? I'm asking because I don't remember him being mentioned here and us evil far-righters of Europe hold him in a rather high regard. Some tropes like Kali Yuga (in political sense) and Riding the Tiger are his novelties.

He was an anti-Christian, though, so there's that grain of salt.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch September 15, 2020 7:30 AM  

@6 "This island is not for everyone, nor should it be; and, may it go in for at least another ~20 years!"

Vox needs to collate his blog into a multi-volume book set at this point. Seriously. His daily posts are a day-by-day historical record with an insight that most historians miss.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 15, 2020 7:31 AM  

Over-the-top BLM-based cancel culture and the blatant convergence of sports is pretty much causing a giant sucking sound for your ideas into the mainstream, where only the most benighted cuck would turn his nose up at them now.

Blogger DavidFromOhio September 15, 2020 7:38 AM  

Nothing is more powerful than an idea that's time has come. Please let it be this ideas time

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 15, 2020 7:45 AM  

I always make it a point to thank Hart-Cellar when ever a "New Better American" does the usual.

What Tucker did was Disqualify and Discredit antifa and more importantly antifa's enablers, Tucker has guile and is so much more effective than the usual conservative dope.

Blogger wreckage September 15, 2020 7:54 AM  

Hey, much as I find Vox a weird blend of enlightened and scary, this right here is where you find out what's coming next. Our host's foresight for upcoming political trends and imperatives is a refreshing change from the usual forecasters and their inanity.

Blogger rognuald September 15, 2020 7:55 AM  

Listening to some of the things Rush Limbaugh has said in the last couple of years has me believing he reads this blog.

Blogger Stilicho September 15, 2020 8:23 AM  

Yes, the ideas are spreading and gaining wide support.

Blogger Delaware Blue Hen September 15, 2020 8:35 AM  

Rick Galloway, the main protagonist in Jerry Pournelle's Janissaries Series, made the observation that there were no limits to what you can accomplish if you do not worry about taking credit for it (borrowing some wisdom from President Truman). It seems that Vox and Pournelle are liked minded on this approach.

Blogger PJW Gent September 15, 2020 8:39 AM  

Re: "We don't create truth, we can only observe it."

Thank you Vox. That is a profound truth that everyone, especially philosophers, politicians, and teachers need to apprehend. Another important linchpin added to the so many you have brought to the fore. I cannot express my thanks strongly enough for exposing this "truth'.

Blogger Avalanche September 15, 2020 8:42 AM  

@22 "Has anybody noticed a run on skull polish and boxed wine lately?"

Only because we're storing it up for our Dark Lord. Don't want the next tp panic to expand and limit his desires.

Blogger Avalanche September 15, 2020 8:44 AM  

@24 "Vox needs to collate his blog into a multi-volume book set at this point. Seriously."

{wince} I'd suggest Vox might want to assign or allow someone(s) of the Ilk to do this for him; he is way more busy than to allow him to do that TOO!

Blogger Avalanche September 15, 2020 8:46 AM  

@28 "... is where you find out what's coming next ...Our host's foresight for upcoming political trends and imperatives"

'Our host's memory for everything he has ever read and his deep synthesis of human history's political trends and imperatives is why we come here to find out what's coming next.'

There. FIFY.

Blogger Fozzy Bear September 15, 2020 8:51 AM  

@8 What Tucker is describing was described by both Strauss and Howe (Generations), and by Peter Turchin (Cliodynamics). They rightly predicted that the ultimate cause of the impending collapse/4th Turning would be too many junior elites fighting for too few remaining spoils.

I visited Mom in Australia back in December, and she still can't understand how I told her I had to get back home before the borders closed. I told her then I didn't know what the catalyst would be, but not to expect to be able to travel overseas for the foreseeable future, and that I wouldn't risk extending my trip until January in case I couldn't return.

The only question I have now is if this is the final 4th turning before the apocalypse, or the beginning of another cycle. I lean towards the former.

Blogger JovianStorm September 15, 2020 8:54 AM  

Hayek might have birthed it but you distilled it into a potent essence for the mind.

SJWs Always Lie was like smelling salts for me.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer September 15, 2020 9:26 AM  

..., from escaping this particular intellectual ghetto and permeating the mainstream discourse....

No way. This place is an oasis of knowledge, beuatiful, and true in a desert of disinformation, mediocrity, and out right evil. a beacon in the storm.

Vox gives us the tools to fight the every day evil we all have to combat personally I am always learning. Oh and thanks for being a catalyst in helping me find Christ. How do you repay a debt like saving a soul when you cant even afford to buy his books?

Blogger Seeingsights September 15, 2020 9:29 AM  

This is from a review of Hayek’s Law, Liberty and Legislation:

Hayek demonstrates that it is human conduct which is just or unjust and not states of affairs. To say that a given state of affairs is unjust is meangingless unless it can be shown that unjust conduct brought that state about. In a spontaneous order where no one person or group wills the present order (as it is a product of a multiplicity of actions), it makes no sense to say that a certain state of affairs is unjust. In such a system the actions of people or of a government can be just or unjust but the "actions" of a society cannot.

Blogger Chris September 15, 2020 9:47 AM  

I did notice a nice backpack made for carrying boxed wine with a nice side spigot.

Blogger Dylan J. Thompson September 15, 2020 9:52 AM  

I saw the phrase 'Luciferian inversion' in a letter addressing BLM from a pastor in my synod. I'm not sure I've seen inversion specifically used as a marker for the works of the devil in other places than here.

Blogger Homesteader September 15, 2020 10:19 AM  

Steven Covey told a tale, which seems apropos here, of the battleship captain, signalling an oncoming light. The captain orders the other vessel to turn. The oncoming vessel tells HIM to

The captain replies,"I'm a battleship. YOU turn!"

The reply came back," I'm a lighthouse."

The captain turned.

Truth, is a lighthouse. You can only observe it in its steadfastness, and the mightiest vessels must ultimately defer to it, or be destroyed.

Blogger kmadison76 September 15, 2020 10:25 AM  

I'm in the middle of Anton's book. Vox, chapter two is basically a defense of civnattery. I'm guessing that the reasoning owes to Anton's Italian and Greek ancestry. He makes the claim that the founding was basically a compact of civic nationalism. The country was always pluralistic and the English aren't really English (Saxon and Norman ad-mixture). He also hits the south and lionizes Lincoln. I couldn't figure out why I"m dragging in finishing his book. Now I know why. It's the Lincoln and civnat worship that I can't seem to get past. He gave an interview the other day with Jack Murhphy practically begging for someone to try and refute his civic nationalist foundation. The book makes many excellent points but the mooring is loose and not connected to a solid foundation. Close but no cigar.

Blogger Crush Limbraw September 15, 2020 10:56 AM  

"We don't create truth, we can only observe it." - another jewel from VD to be added to my repertoire and my library!
"Logic is the systematic study and practice of discerning and telling the truth!" - from Joel McDurmon's "Biblical Logic".

"Discovering truth for us mortals is a process, not an end state!" - I believe I saw a commenter here say something like that which I modified to fit the reality of our limitations.

As I seek, I find - and I find them regularly at Vox Popoli - which is why it is a mainstay in DaLimbraw Library.

"Anyone who has been a regular visitor here must be familiar with Vox Day. It is my go-to site almost every day and often posted in the library– why?" - quoted from: Vox Day – The Featured Blogsite Today – Why? -

In fact, DaLimbraw Library is an archive from a variety of sources which - while NOT in any way official or exhaustive - has collected almost 6000 items in the last 5 years for anyone who is serious about this war which now encompasses us. While all are welcome to visit, DLL is NOT designed for casual readers - it is a research tool - categorized roughly by topic and word searchable.
You might enjoy entering VOX POPOLI - you'll be reading for hours, if not days.
Bottom line - for us average deplorables - how and where to begin DaProcess when our eyes are opening to WTF is happening all around us?
That is exactly why I started collecting wisdom from multiple sources and Vox Popoli just happens to be a major source by simply telling DaTruth!

PS - I can still remember reading his stuff years ago at WND - you know - DaGuy with DaMohawk!:)

Blogger Crew September 15, 2020 11:13 AM  

And some are starting to realize we are in deflation as well!

Blogger Phelps September 15, 2020 11:22 AM  

Jeremy at the Quartering said yesterday, "And as we all know, SJWs always lie."

As soon as I heard it, I thought, "et tu, Jeremy?"

Blogger Andrew Jackson September 15, 2020 11:32 AM  

The money power preys on the nation in times of peace, and conspires against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than monarchy , more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. It denounces , as public enemies, all who question its methods or throw light upon its crimes. Abraham Lincoln

Blogger OK September 15, 2020 11:53 AM  

"As Hiram W. Evans, the surprisingly articulate Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, wrote in 1926, the old stock American of his time had become

'a stranger in large parts of the land his fathers gave him. Moreover, he is a most unwelcome stranger, one much spit upon, and one to whom even the right to have his own opinions and to work for his own interests is now denied with jeers and revilings. "We must Americanize the Americans,' a distinguished immigrant said recently.'"

--Walter Russell Mead, "Special Providence"

The unfortunate thing is that Vox's work has been necessary even though various people have indeed understood the problems for a long time. Vox playing the part of a god of the copybook headings.

Blogger Andrew Jackson September 15, 2020 11:54 AM  

Our republican system was meant for a homogeneous people. As long as blacks continue to live with the whites they constitute a threat to the national life. Family life may also collapse and the increase of mixed breed bastards may someday challenge the supremacy of the white man. Abraham Lincoln

Blogger MJ September 15, 2020 12:10 PM  

It's almost comical how illogical the "anyone can be American" argument is.

>America is just about the ideals
>The main ideal is that there is no main ideal, you can believe whatever you want
>Calling someone un-American is itself un-American
>Being American is therefore a self-negating concept

How has this "reasoning" tricked so many people for so long?

Blogger Ceirwyn September 15, 2020 12:43 PM  

Good sound ideas based on truth will always win eventually, regardless of the messenger. The only question is how much pain it will take before the realization sinks in; I'd say we're there. I think a Nationalist party in the US is inevitable, and that the ethnic nationalists will make up the majority eventually. There's no question, IMO, this party will be pro-Christian and pro-Western.

What remains is to see how many non-whites cope with losing their jewish privileges as magic specially people.

Blogger papabear September 15, 2020 3:00 PM  

@43 Yes. As his family are arrivals in the 18th ce, he's only been indoctrinated with the civnat narrative and no other history, and this is reinforced by his Straussian education.

Blogger lynnjynh9315 September 15, 2020 9:38 PM  

"A House divided cannot stand."
"The empire once united must divide."

Truth is truth. Individuals and societies come to the same conclusions independently and from different directions. No one owns it.

Blogger wreckage September 16, 2020 12:17 AM  

@35, yes, precisely. Plenty of people read though, Vox has a real knack for distilling it down into something akin to the aphorism in philosophy. A sentence instead of an essay. Or, per Taleb, a heuristic.

Blogger Dan in Georgia September 16, 2020 11:37 AM  

If Rush doesn’t read it, Bo Snerdly surely does. I would also bet his brother David lurks here too.

Blogger SciVo September 16, 2020 12:38 PM  

wreckage wrote:Hey, much as I find Vox a weird blend of enlightened and scary, this right here is where you find out what's coming next. Our host's foresight for upcoming political trends and imperatives is a refreshing change from the usual forecasters and their inanity.

The scariness is a Gen-X thing. Life sucks, and then you die. So the nihilism becomes a virtue when it allows a cold hard look at what is.

Blogger Gypsy September 17, 2020 12:50 AM  

VD "We don't create truth, we can only observe it"
God Bless You for this, I will keep it as a warm blanket for the rest of my days.

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