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Wednesday, September 23, 2020

Spielberg's religious fraud

The predatory evil of Steven Spielberg is beginning to become more obvious every year. But while his pedophistry has been largely hidden, his incessant Holocaustian propaganda doesn't survive even the most cursory of examinations, let alone a reading of the fine print:

We note with considerable dismay the dissimulation employed to assert (as Steven Spielberg’s movie Schindler’s List does) that, “The Talmud teaches that to save one life is to save the entire world.”

This preposterous humanitarian gloss applied to the rabidly ethnocentric Talmud, was given credibility, both as dialogue in Spielberg’s movie and as the film’s motto, reproduced on countless posters that probably adorn school rooms to this day. The motto, dramatized in the film, is a purported to be a quote from BT Sanhedrin 37a, but the Talmud contains no such humanistic, universalist statement.

The uncensored Babylonian Talmud in Sanhedrin 37a is concerned only with the welfare of fully human beings, i.e. those described in its text as “Jews.” The actual Talmud tractate reads: “Whoever saves a single life in Israel, Scripture regards him as if he had saved the entire world”

This reflects the ruling of Maimonides in his Mishneh Torah, Sefer Nezikin, Rotzeach u’Shmirat Nefesh, 1:1: “Whenever a person kills the soul of another person from Israel, he transgresses a negative commandment, as it says, “thou shalt not murder.” With his narrow definition of who should not be killed, Maimonides nullified the Word of God in Genesis 9:6, Exodus 20:13 and Deuteronomy 5:17.

Mr. Spielberg’s fraud was peddled throughout American culture and educational institutions. What is instructive about this faking is the extent to which the corporate media have been sublimely complicit in circulating it, while their “fact-checking” departments failed to detect the cheat, if indeed they bothered to undertake the obligation to do so.

To be fair, it is textually possible that a literal English reading of this tractate also means that saving a single Palestinian life is saving the entire world. But I tend to doubt that is the accepted interpretation or that there will be any change of opinion concerning the morality of the BDS movement.

As for Spielberg, it appears he will soon be learning how little it profits a man to gain the Hellmouth by selling his soul.

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76 Comments:

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 23, 2020 11:05 AM  

As for Spielberg, it appears he will soon be learning how little it profits a man to gain the Hellmouth by selling his soul.
Cancer? Didn't kill himself?
God, please bring Spielberg to repentance, or to justice, soon.

Blogger Homesteader September 23, 2020 11:09 AM  

From the linked article:

"According to the Babylonian Talmud, God himself is subservient to the rabbis: “Since God already gave the Torah to the Jewish people on Mt. Sinai we no longer pay attention to heavenly voices. God must submit to the decisions of a majority vote of the rabbis.” (BT Bava Metzia 59b)

That, is very illuminating, in so many ways.

Blogger R Webfoot September 23, 2020 11:23 AM  

“If one sees his yetzer hara (evil inclination) gaining sway over him, let him go where he is not known, put on sordid clothes and do the evil that his heart desires.”

...... What? For real?

Blogger Gettimothy September 23, 2020 11:27 AM  

Mr. Spielberg’s fraud was peddled throughout American culture and educational institutions.

Mr. Gramsci took the long view and it worked for a time.

Blogger Doc September 23, 2020 11:37 AM  

To save one black life is to..

Blogger Ahuehuete September 23, 2020 11:43 AM  

I have to admit, I am truly enjoying watching Hollyweird, and especially the Devil Mouse, go down in flames. The stupid Mulan remake bombed, even in China after all the pandering. The cinemas reopen, but no one is showing up. Woke DC is swirling the bowl, CBS's "Star Trek Day" was a bust.

I get that these are all propaganda outlets, and that profit isn't a requirement. But if people are tuning them out, then they do have a problem.

Blogger Saint September 23, 2020 11:44 AM  

That's a bookmark. Thanks, I'll put it to use.

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 23, 2020 11:46 AM  

I sure hope so. His exposure would break a lot of Boomer brains, but those who survived it without going into full denial would have no choice but to see the world in a much more realistic light. And with him would come the Island and so much more.

Blogger Shimshon September 23, 2020 11:49 AM  

Michael Hoffman has a very large and sharp axe to grind.

Fake News isn't called that because it is full of lies, even though it usually is. It is fake, because even if 100% of the material in it is true statements of fact, they are twisted and perverted in such a way as to paint a completely false narrative. That's all he's doing. Just a variant of outrage porn. And I can see it's working.

The Babylonian Talmud (as distinct from the Jerusalem Talmud which is not authoritative), is the holiest text of the religion of Judaism.

No part, not even the parenthetical portion, of this statement is true.

However, I see little point in commenting further. I am typically accused (a pejorative to non-Jews I suppose) speaking Talmudically. Or other things.

None of this is to excuse Spielberg's, or Jews' writ large, propensity for Holocaustianity (Covid has had the positive benefit of putting to stop some of the worst of this, like sending tens of thousands of Jews every year to Poland on a "March of the Living"). Would that that were the worst of Spielberg's (in particular) sins.

Blogger Doktor Jeep September 23, 2020 12:07 PM  

We are referring to a filmmaker whose trademark is face close ups. Tolerating such lack of talent is what lets losers in so easily. That's the mark of the ticket-taker: they are not really all that good at their craft.
I would like to say that truly talented people don't need no ticket. But that would require being blind to the system that ensures good people never go anywhere. Not so-called mainstream anyway. That is how "fake and gay" the world has become.

Blogger Apoliteia September 23, 2020 12:08 PM  

Well, as far as I know, 'Israel' under the New Covenant translates as 'Christendom'.

I find myself at liberty to interprete Stevie, as his film was aimed at mainly Christian audience, as 'infidels, however, are free game'.

But then again Mr. Spielberg is a Jew and therefore is probably in argument with himself as to the ultimate meaning of the excerpt.

Blogger Richard Holmes September 23, 2020 12:16 PM  

As for Spielberg, it appears he will soon be learning how little it profits a man to gain the Hellmouth by selling his soul.-VD

Is he sick?

Blogger Reprehensible Adam September 23, 2020 12:21 PM  

It really makes no sense if you save one life your saving one life not the entire world. I think that’s moronic to think one life is equivalent to millions.

Blogger The World War II Fanatic September 23, 2020 12:28 PM  

Swindler's List was debunked decades ago

https://www.bitchute.com/video/nrU26XJCYBVj/

Blogger The World War II Fanatic September 23, 2020 12:34 PM  

Like Fuentes point out....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IY0JwskiLE


....the pro mass-migration crowd thrive on the Hitler hysteria and obsession with events that occurred over 75 years ago. "You want to keep your borders closed???? OH NO, AUSCHWITZ IS ON THE HORIZON, I CAN PRACTICALLY SMELL THE ASHES!"

Blogger Lazarus September 23, 2020 12:36 PM  

Shimshon wrote:The Babylonian Talmud (as distinct from the Jerusalem Talmud which is not authoritative), is the holiest text of the religion of Judaism.

No part, not even the parenthetical portion, of this statement is true.


On the other hand:

The Talmud (/ˈtɑːlmʊd, -məd, ˈtæl-/; Hebrew: תַּלְמוּד‎) is the central text of Rabbinic Judaism and the primary source of Jewish religious law (halakha) and Jewish theology.[1][2][3] Until the advent of modernity, in nearly all Jewish communities, the Talmud was the centerpiece of Jewish cultural life and was foundational to "all Jewish thought and aspirations", serving also as "the guide for the daily life" of Jews.[4]

Blogger OneWingedShark September 23, 2020 12:37 PM  

Homesteader wrote:From the linked article:
"According to the Babylonian Talmud, God himself is subservient to the rabbis: “Since God already gave the Torah to the Jewish people on Mt. Sinai we no longer pay attention to heavenly voices. God must submit to the decisions of a majority vote of the rabbis.” (BT Bava Metzia 59b)

That, is very illuminating, in so many ways.

That is the whole point of pupil: to ignore what God has commanded, elevating themselves above their rightful authority.
It is also the principle that is applied by the courts with modern "opinions" and "rulings" — often using "precedent" to countermand what the law actually says.

Ahuehuete wrote:I have to admit, I am truly enjoying watching Hollyweird, and especially the Devil Mouse, go down in flames.
If you want to see them collectively shit their pants, consider what applying the text of the Constitution in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 8 would do to them.

Blogger Quartermain September 23, 2020 12:49 PM  

https://feralhouse.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/46188171-Pederastic-Park-Adam-Parfrey-on-Steven-Spielberg.pdf

Blogger VD September 23, 2020 12:53 PM  

Michael Hoffman has a very large and sharp axe to grind.

First, attacking factual statements with motivation is a non sequitur.

Second, Jews are now given as much benefit of the doubt as the ADL gives the average white man. Which is to say, if there is anything that can even possibly be interpreted in a negative way, it will be.

Those are the rules now, Shimshon. You know this. Neither you nor I made the rules, but those are the rules by which we now must play.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 23, 2020 12:54 PM  

Shimshon wrote:No part, not even the parenthetical portion, of this statement is true.
Shimshon, what books are more important to you all than the Talmud? The law books that say the only way to be right with God is to offer sacrifices only in the Temple that God tore down 2,930 years ago? Or maybe the prophets, like Isaiah, Jeremiah and Daniel, who predicted the Messiah and even the date of His first coming?

What book is holier to you all than the Talmud? You all are ignoring all the Old Testament, so it's obviously not any part of the OT, which points to Christ in almost every chapter.

Blogger Bezzle September 23, 2020 1:19 PM  

Like his friend George Lucas, Spielberg made competent movies in the 1970s and early 80s. Kathleen Kennedy appears to be the succubus that got to both of them.

Blogger Servant September 23, 2020 1:23 PM  

Cowherd I'm confused. Nehemiah rebuilt the temple less than 2900 years ago. It was present for Christ. Are you a missing 1000 years person? I don't necessarily have a problem with that modern history is borked.

Blogger Steve Canyon September 23, 2020 1:46 PM  

His subtlety lessened as his star ascended. Each subsequent success motivated him to push the boundary just a teensy bit further.

The proclivities were always there. Like most others who have fallen before him, hubris will catch up with him. The king of this world shows he calls the shots by making you pay what he is owed in this world.

Blogger Jack Amok September 23, 2020 1:56 PM  

“The Talmud teaches that to save one life is to save the entire world.”

This raises a question that's been rattling around my brain a bit lately. What's wrong with saving one life and being happy with that? Why this ego-maniacal obsession with saving the world?

A few months ago, I finally got around to watching The Expanse. I hadn't bothered because I assumed it was the typical modern SyFy crap, but figured I'd give it a try. The first two or three episodes were actually pretty good - interesting at least. Then it degenerated into all manner of tired old tropes, including saving all of Mankind from space zombies.

Can someone just tell a story where the point is to save one life instead of the entire damn galaxy?

This conflating one life with the world, I think it's part of a dys-civic impulse to blow every problem up into something artificially too complex for the average person to deal with so that wanna-be elites can say "we'll handle it for you."

Blogger MC September 23, 2020 2:06 PM  

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Blogger Solon September 23, 2020 2:37 PM  

@9 Shimshon - "I am typically accused of speaking Talmudically, or other things."

See, Shimmy, we would ask you if you were, in fact, speaking Talmudically, but the Talmud also says that it is permissible and in fact encouraged to lie to goyim (so long as it wouldnt harm the reputation of Jewry as a whole).

There's no point in asking a thing of someone whose religion allows them to lie. We'd never know the truth.

That is one of the reasons, and a very small one at that, that (wise) goyim dont trust Jews. You didnt make that rule, it's true, but you are bound by it nonetheless. My recommendation is to gather as many of your people as you can and flee to Palestine, for there WILL be a reckoning soon, and it's only gentlemanly to give your people's ancient foe a fair warning, even if they havent earned it or deserved it.

Blogger MC September 23, 2020 2:42 PM  

(updated to correct typos. Why do I never spot them in "preview"? One of life's mysteries...)


Shimshon

I must take issue with you

"The Babylonian Talmud (as distinct from the Jerusalem Talmud which is not authoritative), is the holiest text of the religion of Judaism."

*is* *essentially* true, at least as far as Orthodox Jewry is concerned. ie those who consider there is a God and we lovingly revere him and obey his commandments as we understand them whether they are popular today or not.

The Talmud is the text which is the source of our religious law today.

Yes, the Torah (eg 5 books of Moses) are more *Holy*.

But PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, we accept the (Babylonian) Talmud's INTERPRETATION of the Torah as fully binding.

Off the top of my head, I am not aware of a single main tenet of Jewish religious law which is not firmly rooted in the Talmud and its commentators.

Technically, it is the “Oral Law” which interprets the Torah.

But it is the Talmud which is the authoritative written record of the Oral Law’s interpretation.

So technically Shimshon, you are right.

But essentially, Michael Hoffman (I know nothing about him) is right.

It is the same with many accusations against Jews, or aspects of Judaism. Often the accusation is not technically 100% accurate. But it is usually broadly and essentially correct. Perhaps exaggerated. But not that much.

So the decent thing, the Godly thing is to accept the truth and not fear it. We are approaching Yom Kippur and trying to be “on our best behaviour”. That includes facing up to the Truth however uncomfortable. God does not want or need us to lie for him. The Talmud doesn’t either.

The most shameful thing is when you have to have to hear the truth from those who hate you, because those who love you cover it up.

PS Some parts of the Talmud are allegorical, or general “good advice”. The parts that are binding religious law are clearly worded that way. They are then codified in books such as Shulchan Aruch.

The insulting story about Jesus (not explicitly written that it’s him, but I was certainly taught that it presumably refers to him) is not part of binding religious law. Neither is the part about if you need to Sin, better go where you are not known which R Webfoot quoted above. That is not religious law at all. They are not codified.

(@ R Webfooot (“sordid clothing” is a mistranslation. “discreet clothes” is more accurate)
That advice is certainly not taken to refer to abusing someone else. I was taught it to refer eg to an illicit but consensual affair, at least don’t do it proudly in a way that will influence others to copy you.

(So eg even if someone suffers with LGBT temptations, at the very least, don’t participate in “Pride” or promoting it.)

But I do understand that it seems open to much more nefarious interpretations and that is something that bothers me very much. But denying it cannot be serving God

It is entirely true that the quote is “He who saves one life in Israel etc” not “He who saves any human life”.

(“In Israel” does not mean geographically, the “beis” letter prefix means “among” in this sense, ie a Jew.)

I would only add in closing that virtually all of the worst-behaving Jews eg Soros, Rothschilds, RBG, Weiners of various sizes, Spielberg, Epstein, Weinstein, Celler, Marx, Trotsky do not respect the Talmud at all. They do not keep a single word of its commandments. (not the Torah, either). They may occasionally quote-mine a phrase out of all context as if it some “ancient wisdom” (usually to justify themselves or to mindbend the goyim) - but the Rabbis of the Talmud would clearly consider them all apostate evildoers.

However – as the Talmud itself states, in many contexts – we Orthodox are also partly responsible and will be held accountable, for never speaking out, never stopping them, not helping their innocent victims, shielding them under the “anti-semitism” umbrella and so on.

Blogger Dan B September 23, 2020 3:03 PM  

Amen.

Blogger doctrev September 23, 2020 3:07 PM  

Shimshon, I genuinely feel for you. You have an increasingly large number of Americans becoming suspicious or hostile of your very ethnicity... meanwhile, these "rabbis" are inducing absolute cringe among anyone who isn't injecting the RBG Kool-Aid directly into their veins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fZV_ZJMsZI&feature=emb_title

And that's before we get into Wilhelm's intense hostility towards the Orthodox in New York. I pity American Jews- they have no idea how bad it's going to get.

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 23, 2020 3:16 PM  

Can someone just tell a story where the point is to save one life

"I try to save a life a day. Usually it's my own." -- John Crichton, Farscape

Blogger The Masked Menace September 23, 2020 3:20 PM  

Just two of the many important things I've learned in life:

(1) We live in a world of deception. Nothing is ever as it seems.
(2) Never discount any explanation for an event except for the official one.

Blogger Silent Draco September 23, 2020 3:25 PM  

Reading the post, article, and comments brings an entirely new meaning to his first breakthrough hit: "American Graffiti".

Blogger Br1cht September 23, 2020 3:29 PM  

Well.. Rabbi E. Zundel told us so.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 23, 2020 3:39 PM  

Servant wrote:Cowherd I'm confused. Nehemiah rebuilt the temple less than 2900 years ago. It was present for Christ.
The second temple, the one that Jesus of Nazareth walked in, was torn down in 70AD, which would be about 2,950 years ago in 2020, not 2,930 like I said.

Nehemiah spearheaded the rebuilding of the wall around Jerusalem. The Second Temple was completed decades earlier.

Blogger CM September 23, 2020 3:41 PM  

I think he meant 1,950 years (temple destroyed in 70 AD by Titus).

Blogger CM September 23, 2020 3:45 PM  

This raises a question that's been rattling around my brain a bit lately. What's wrong with saving one life and being happy with that? Why this ego-maniacal obsession with saving the world?

Is it explicitly stated anywhere in Torah that God intends to save the world through Israel?

I mean, that's what I get out of it, but what is implied is easily lawyered away. So if it is explicitly stated that God will save the world through Israel, and Israel suffers from pride and thinks it will be their doing and if they all have a Jonah complex, THEN saving one Jew being equivalent to saving the world is a means of getting around the plain meaning of the words.

Blogger Manuel September 23, 2020 3:48 PM  

Rabbis have been revising and deleting certain passages from the Talmud since the middle ages. Check out this article and the accompanying comments about another grabbled passage.
https://redeeminggod.com/babylonian-talmud-sanhedrin-ch-4-fol-37-recto/

Blogger DroppingBear September 23, 2020 3:51 PM  

'Ulrrrrggh. Directly quoting our horrific satanic books is anti-semetic!'

Blogger doctrev September 23, 2020 3:55 PM  

Solon wrote:it's only gentlemanly to give your people's ancient foe a fair warning, even if they havent earned it or deserved it.

I think it was Vox Day who once suggested that those with true animus to the Jews would be smiling and telling them everything's going to be all right, even as they ran checks on cattle cars in the background. It's the difference between simply disliking people versus hunting them down- no exceptions.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 23, 2020 3:55 PM  

Hey guys, @Shimson is a religious JEw living in Israel. You know how you react to Atheists telling you what Christians really believe? Yeah, he doesn't need you to tell him what he believes.
If you think he's lying, just say it, but be able to back it up. Otherwise listen to him about what he believes, not what some website told you.

Blogger yoyoyoBigD September 23, 2020 4:00 PM  

Jack Amok wrote:“The Talmud teaches that to save one life is to save the entire world.”

This raises a question that's been rattling around my brain a bit lately. What's wrong with saving one life and being happy with that? Why this ego-maniacal obsession with saving the world?

saving the world is usually code for white nationalists need to die for the judeo globalist agenda

Blogger VD September 23, 2020 4:04 PM  

I do understand that it seems open to much more nefarious interpretations and that is something that bothers me very much.

I hope you understand that everyone from China to Poland is about as interested in hearing explanations about correct "interpretations" as the ADL is in hearing a white nationalist explain why he opposes immigration.

Blogger Robert Browning September 23, 2020 4:09 PM  

It is our ability to reason that separates us humans from the animals. If Jews are human, then what reason did the Jews have for killing the innocent Christ? Why?

Blogger MC September 23, 2020 4:12 PM  

100% understood - and agreed

I think the Talmud stands accused by the behaviour of the Jews

For God's sake, let us repent - starting by being honest - and then we can talk about what the right meaning of the Talmud is

Our time is running out

Blogger Akulkis September 23, 2020 4:17 PM  

"“If one sees his yetzer hara (evil inclination) gaining sway over him, let him go where he is not known, put on sordid clothes and do the evil that his heart desires.”

And so they fled Eastern Europe for America. And immediately started calling us Nazis.

Blogger MC September 23, 2020 4:29 PM  

@45 Robert Browning

"It is our ability to reason that separates us humans from the animals. If Jews are human, then what reason did the Jews have for killing the innocent Christ? Why?"

I have no idea.

If the story happened in any way like the Gospels describe, then all I can say is that despite being an "Old Testament" Jew, if they were going to crucify him, they would have had to come through me first.

I apologise for this sounding offensive to Christians - I will not lie to you - but the tradition I was handed down does not agree that the story that the Gospels describe is what happened.

Despite that, it is clear to anyone not blind how much kindness, purity and goodness Christians today practice, inspired by their belief in Jesus - and I have found personal inspiration in different ways by eg Chesterton, CS Lewis, Orson Scott Card and VD (spot the common factor) - so although I can't intellectually explain it with certainty, I cannot but see Christians and Christianity as in some way holy.

I can't explain it fully as I am a Chassidic Orthodox Jew, but it simply cannot be that God looks down at a Christian child praying with innocence, a Christian man working hard to support his family in such a Godless age, a Christian woman choosing modesty and religion and is not worshipped and exalted by them. It simply cannot be. IT cannot be that God intends a redemption for Jews and not for the rest of humanity. It simply could not be. Those words and God simply can't go in the same sentence.

Blogger Angantyr September 23, 2020 4:33 PM  

Doc wrote:To save one black life is to..

...save Wakanda!

Blogger tublecane September 23, 2020 4:50 PM  

@Reprehensible Adam- At best it’s a consolation prize. Like a pathetic version of “I didn’t win, but at least I did my best.” (If one life saved is the best you can do trying to “save the world,” you suck at it.)

I wonder why anyone’s trying to save the world in the first place, whatever that means. Shouldn’t they be preparing for the arrival of a Messiah and God’s judgement or whatever?

What would Jordan Peterson (insanity be unto him) say if you told him you failed to clean your room but you did clean one corner of it?

Blogger RadixMalorum September 23, 2020 4:54 PM  

All one has to do is look into Spielberg's daughter Mikaela to see what type of person Spielberg is.

Blogger tublecane September 23, 2020 5:22 PM  

Happened to be reading a short article bashing the Boy in the Striped Pajamas movie by an international law-type academic. (Who managed to hold professorships in Europe and Australia simultaneously.) It treated of Schindler's List in passing as though everyone who matters knows it's junk. Or at least serves Holocaustianity poorly. I couldn't tell why, exactly, but picked up a couple tidbits:

1. It focuses on a relatively small group, at least compared to the entire 6 Gorillion. Which is apparently a failing. (As if anyone could make a dramatic movie covering the supposed suffering of 6 Gorillion peoples.)

2. It had a happy ending, in the sense that not all the characters died. (In reality not everyone died, otherwise who would be collecting all that Holocaustianity lucre?)

These are not real criticisms. Leaving me to wonder: what's the beef? There are the obvious problems anyone might have with this overhyped hunk of manipulation are not raised. However, allow me to speculate that the movie is simply out of step with Progressive Holocaustianity. The Narrative is ever-evolving, and it's been almost 30 years. No way could it fit whatever insane international law theories hills sway today.

For instance, it doesn't show anyone being gassed to death. Also, it depicts Jews collaborating with Nazis.

Even without those, time alone pulls its tricks. Think about it: Schindler's List stars a giant Irishman who publicly admitted to stalking the streets of Dublin, looking for a black male to bludgeon to death as random reprisal for another black man raping his lady friend. I don't think such men are allowed near film sets these days.

Blogger Tetro September 23, 2020 5:26 PM  

Hoffman's "The Occult Renaissance Church of Rome" is a great read. Lays waste to the trad-Cat fantasty narrative of Rome being some kind of holy trad-land until Vatican II.

Blogger The Masked Menace September 23, 2020 5:27 PM  

@45

Why did Lucifer fall from Heaven? Why did Adam and Eve fall from Grace? Why do each of us fall into sin?

Pride

(((They))) wanted a political Messiah. (((They))) didn't want one who taught we were (((their))) brothers. (((They))) wanted one who would make us (((their))) slaves.

Blogger Crunchy Cachalot September 23, 2020 5:39 PM  

@32 - That's Lucas. Spielberg had nothing to do with it.

@21 - Steve made one good film, Jaws, and has been crapping out manipulative, maudlin crap ever since. Lucas was more productive, until he came to believe he was a true auteur.

Blogger Grooveware September 23, 2020 5:49 PM  

His "black" daughter is a pornstar, he openly said he is proud of her choice of careers. Most ladies that choose this industry have been sexually abused as a child.

Blogger VD September 23, 2020 6:32 PM  

I'm just curious.

Sure you are. You're banned for hasbara, Unknown aka natschuster. You're not allowed to comment here.

Blogger VD September 23, 2020 6:38 PM  

It's always amusing how these "just curious" Unknown commenters just happen to comment 20 times "refuting" things that anyone can easily verify to be legitimate.

When the ADL and AIPAC lets Americans speak freely, we can contemplate returning the favor.

But regardless, no one whose religion, philosophy, or creed permits self-serving lies can ever be assumed to be telling the truth on the Internet.

Blogger VD September 23, 2020 6:40 PM  

This is an amusing response.

So the truth hurts? Eh.

There is no truth in you. You're projecting. Also, Gamma confirmed.

Blogger Taignobias September 23, 2020 7:05 PM  

It is little exaggeration to say that the entire Tanakh (Old Testament) is a history of the blasphemies and sins of Israel against their patient, merciful God. Jesus of Nazareth, who is the promised Messiah in fulfillment of the prophets, rebuked the scribes and Pharisees in no uncertain terms (Matthew 23).

Am I to believe that this stiff-necked people have changed dramatically in the last 2000 years, when they did not in the millennia recounted in their own holy texts?

Blogger MC September 23, 2020 7:12 PM  

@49 Natschuster

Consciously or not, you’re practicing Taqiyah. A milder form, not outright lying, but also not "Emess" - holy truth.

You can't glorify God with a lie

You’re not in a debate where you'll be killed for one wrong word (when maybe you have to dissemble)

You're talking *over the internet* to sincere, clever people - among the only ones standing up for Godly values in an insane world.
Tell the truth.
If there is something offensive in our scriptures - tell the truth.

You can worship God beyond the letter of scriptural law . You can teach your children how holy the life of a non-Jew is. You can cite other parts of Talmud teaching very positive things about how to behave towards non-Jews.
But don't pretend it says something it doesn't, here.

I know you feel you are doing a "mitzvah" by sticking up for our holy religious writings "by all means necessary".
Like telling a lie or perpetrating an Epstein "to save Israel"

This is such a deep and sad mistake.

It is NOT "saving Israel". It is building a Babylon.
It is NOT "defending holy writings" - it is profaning them.

Please hear me - I am not trying to bash you - I thought like you as well once.


-Okay I'll try again. The Talmud yerushaimi doesn't say save a life in Israel it just says save a life. This thing about saving a life is derived from the fact that one person was created originally, so it has to include gentiles-

The quote is not from "Gemora" section of the Talmud (compiled 475 CE) but from Mishna (compiled 200 CE)
So it should be identical in both Bavli and Yerushalmi, as it predates their divergence.

So the question which set of printers have the original version.

1. Mishna: "among Israel" (Yachin u'Boaz, in front of me now)
2. Mishna/Bav. "among Israel" (BB & Sanh, also in front of me, now)
3. Mishna/Yer. Sanh: "among Israel" is not there.

But context (Me-ayaim eidim) is clearly a Jewish life (eg, per Rmbm Hil. Rotz 2:11)

So, as this is one single written source, and given the direct context, which is more likely:

1. That the word "among Israel" was mistakenly added in, in 3 places (Mishna, Bavli x 2) ?
2. That the word "among Israel" was quietly "dropped" from one printed version, perhaps because seen as offensive, or through external censorship?

You know that 2 is overwhelmingly likely to be true.



-My version of the Mishna Tirah doesn't say murdering a soul in Israel, rather murdering a human soul-

It clearly says "among Israel". 1.16. also see 2.11. in front of me right now.


-The shulchan oruch yoreh deah 158 says jews are obligated to save the lives of gentiles-

Does not say that. Not in front of me right now. Perhaps "mishum aivoh" - not the same thing and you know it.

-The Talmud in Gittin says that Jews are obligated to support gentile poor, visit gentile sick, and bury gentile dead-

"Mipnei Darkei Shalom".


If your aim is to show that Jews *are* commanded to treat non-Jews decently and honourably, and the Talmud does say that in several places - fair enough, this is completely true and good to point out.
But if your aim was to prove your claim that the original verse cited probably didn't say "among Israel" – sorry.


- Palestinians and other Arabs are treated in Israeli hospitals. So Arab lives matter to Jews-

True


-The Talmud is based on a very close reading of the Torah. It is assumed that every word even every letter is there to teach us something. Even if two passages are written together the juxaposition is telling us something. The Tslmud expounds on the Torah. It doesn't replace it-

True


-How do gentiles feel about saving jewish lives?-

In over 100 years of lived history in England,US,etc we Jews have been treated incredibly well by our gentile hosts, which binds us to gratitude, respect, appreciation and reciprocity where needed

Blogger Gen. Kong September 23, 2020 7:16 PM  

Homesteader wrote:

From the linked article:

"According to the Babylonian Talmud, God himself is subservient to the rabbis: “Since God already gave the Torah to the Jewish people on Mt. Sinai we no longer pay attention to heavenly voices. God must submit to the decisions of a majority vote of the rabbis.” (BT Bava Metzia 59b)

That, is very illuminating, in so many ways.


Yes it is. Many centuries and endless volumes of lawyering, grabbling and kvetching and it all really boils down to the four words written down by Crowley:

Do what thou wilt.

... or so they think. At the end of the day all they will end up doing is the will of the one they truly serve and whose spawn they truly are: lying, stealing, killing and destroying. Their "god" will trick them in then end. They lose.

Blogger Gen. Kong September 23, 2020 7:38 PM  

It is our ability to reason that separates us humans from the animals. If Jews are human, then what reason did the Jews have for killing the innocent Christ? Why?

They accepted the offer that he refused - and have hated him and his followers ever since. The joke is really on them however. They see themselves as "Masters of the Universe" but they're really just slaves - even the Soroses and the Spielbergs. For most, this will not be realized until it's too late. It's no different for the goyim who've accepted the same offer.

Blogger RedJack September 23, 2020 7:55 PM  

Gramsci repented before death.

Blogger VD September 23, 2020 8:00 PM  

My version of the Mishna Tirah doesn't say murdering a soul in Israel, rather murdering a human soul

It clearly says "among Israel".


Quelle surprise. As if anyone in this community was ever going to miss, much less be taken in by, that "my version" deceit. 115 is not a high IQ here.

Blogger Major Styles September 23, 2020 9:58 PM  

As Schopenhauer said, jews are a master race of liars.

Blogger John Rockwell September 23, 2020 11:37 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:As for Spielberg, it appears he will soon be learning how little it profits a man to gain the Hellmouth by selling his soul.

Cancer? Didn't kill himself?

God, please bring Spielberg to repentance, or to justice, soon.


Both can be true at the same time in Death Row. Many a Prisoner doomed to die can and do receive Jesus.

Blogger John Rockwell September 23, 2020 11:40 PM  

"Rava said that this is what the mishna is saying: An adult man who engaged in intercourse with a minor girl less than three years old has done nothing, as intercourse with a girl less than three years old is tantamount to poking a finger into the eye. In the case of an eye, after a tear falls from it another tear forms to replace it. Similarly, the ruptured hymen of the girl younger than three is restored"

-Ketubot 11b

I hope that this quotation actually is a fabrication. Otherwise. Damn this is really evil.

https://purejudaism.home.blog/2019/06/23/does-the-talmud-jewish-oral-law-promote-pedophilia-you-be-the-judge/

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( irregularly and inconsistently appended Sarc tag ) September 24, 2020 12:00 AM  

29. doctrev September 23, 2020 3:07 PM
meanwhile, these "rabbis" are inducing absolute cringe among anyone who isn't injecting the RBG Kool-Aid directly into their veins.


play "who's got the Manjaw", i dare you.

given his affectations, there's a good chance his penis is smaller than her clitoris.

Blogger Shimshon September 24, 2020 1:47 AM  

VD wrote:
First, attacking factual statements with motivation is a non sequitur.

Second, Jews are now given as much benefit of the doubt as the ADL gives the average white man. Which is to say, if there is anything that can even possibly be interpreted in a negative way, it will be.

Those are the rules now, Shimshon. You know this. Neither you nor I made the rules, but those are the rules by which we now must play.


Vox, of course I know it. I didn't leave America for the same reasons you did, but I left, long ago. I didn't leave because I saw the rules would change, though I believed they would. I even told some of my buddies years ago this would come to pass, even for ones who think distinctions should be made, and that they personally are worthy of such. No one believed me. I think you said you tried to tell others of what you saw for America's future. No one believed you either, correct?

MC, your tochacha is appreciated. I stand corrected.

"Our time is running out"

It does feel that way, doesn't it?

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( irregularly and inconsistently appended Sarc tag ) September 24, 2020 1:53 AM  

A female proselyte, a woman captive, and a woman slave, who have been redeemed, converted, or freed [when they were] less than three years and one day old — their kethubah is two hundred [zuz] there is upon them a claim of non-virginity.


why does the Talmud assume that Gentile girl slave conversos under the age of 3 are no longer virgins?

it wouldn't have anything to do with the common practices of their ((( Masters ))), would it?

Blogger Catchthefox September 24, 2020 4:28 AM  

"The insulting story about Jesus (not explicitly written that it’s him, but I was certainly taught that it presumably refers to him) is not part of binding religious law. Neither is the part about if you need to Sin, better go where you are not known which R Webfoot quoted above. That is not religious law at all. They are not codified."

This is interesting. In the interest of mutual understanding, could you explain how we can distinguish between actual religious law as expressed on the Talmud and those parts of it that aren't? How do those sections in which lying to goyim fare in this scheme?

Blogger Catchthefox September 24, 2020 4:36 AM  

No one that I know believes such fantasy narrative, Most protestants I know believe the Whore of Babalon on the seven hills narrative. "Better Turks than popists", you're getting what you wanted.

Blogger VD September 24, 2020 5:39 AM  

I even told some of my buddies years ago this would come to pass, even for ones who think distinctions should be made, and that they personally are worthy of such. No one believed me.

I know you did. That's why I have a high regard for your insight. Although that doesn't mean I'm not going to apply the same rules to your people's words that are applied to mine by the ADL, SPLC, etc.

I'm always happy to have a dialectical discussion with honest individuals, whether I agree with them or not. But I'm not going to grant dialectical benefit of the doubt in a rhetorical public conflict.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 24, 2020 8:30 AM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:... the Temple that God tore down 2,930 years ago?
Oops, I meant 1,950 years ago. I wrote that while sober, too.

Blogger MC September 24, 2020 10:01 AM  

@ 66 John Rockwell
@ 68 Shimshon
@ 69 furor
@ 70 Catchthefox

you all deserve answers - but I have to finish some quarterly accounts & VAT returns first or I'm in serious trouble.


PS: I have just spent an hour in a small local shop where every one of 40-ish people bar me was cowering behind a face mask.

(First time that many - new insane rules came in yesterday in UK.)

That was a weird and intense experience. God keep me strong and happy.

Blogger Catchthefox September 25, 2020 3:40 AM  

don't worry, take your time.

Blogger MC September 30, 2020 8:18 PM  

@ 66 John Rockwell
@ 68 Shimshon
@ 69 furor
@ 70 Catchthefox

This my first time at computer in days - and I only have a few seconds

Thank God I am super-busy between Shabbos, Yom Kippur, Building succa, and son's Barmitzvah in midst of Covid MSM-driven mass-insanity here in UK - I can't reply to you all yet

(For context, I spent a few hours of research in my printed volumes for my comments earlier in this blogpost. I have put about an hour into @66 so far - as far as I've got.)

I will return to this after this is all behind me - in about 3 weeks- it's important to me. I will find some way to "tag" you if possible then.

Apologies and profound blessings to all of you

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