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Monday, September 28, 2020

The importance of discernment

I wouldn't go as far as Bruce Charlton in calling a lack of discernment a sin, but then, there is a qualitative difference in being unable to discern evil and being unwilling to do so:

I suspect that the discernment of evil is maybe the most important thing to do about evil; much more important than (supposedly) 'fighting' evil. We absolutely need to identify, and correctly, what and who is on the side of evil: who are evil-allied. And these evil-allied may well turn-out to be almost-everything, and almost-everybody - we should be prepared for that possibility. 

If I am right, this widespread and determined self-blinding to evil, the refusal to identify and acknowledge evil; may be one of the most prevalent and significant of our many modern sins. 

He is correct, however, to observe that the refusal to identify, acknowledge, and oppose evil is both prevalent and significant in society today. I have no patience or respect for those who insist on blathering about "stupidity" or how the Left "just doesn't understand". At this point, the inability to discern evil looks a lot more like a refusal to accept the reality of evil. Because rich and powerful individuals are not abusing children and offering them up to demons out of stupidity.

He's also right to point out that you have to spot the target before you can FFE on it.

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Blogger rognuald September 28, 2020 7:18 AM  

We live in a time of systemic evil.

Blogger tublecane September 28, 2020 7:23 AM  

There is intellectual discernment, in which one follows his own judgement. Abandoning one’s responsibilities here may be evil, but not necessarily so.

Then there is discernment in the Christian sense, in which one seeks for signs of God’s will in reaching a judgement. No one knows God’s mind, so it’s easy to be incapable of discerning the correct thing in light of whatever clues He gives us.

Willfully ignoring manifest evidence of God’s will: that would be evil. I think that’s what Charlton is talking about.

Blogger Solon September 28, 2020 7:24 AM  

The hardest part is knowing that people VERY close to you are evil-allied, and that you may soon be at odds.

Two of my closest friends (who are essentially family to me, despite no shared blood) are wholly on the "LGBT good, Trump bad, Communism good" train.

I dont bring up politics with them, because I know it will only enrage all of us and harsh words might be said, but fast approaching is the time when those harsh words will NEED to be said.

I can only pray God gives me the strength to deal with that time when it arrives.

Blogger Robert Browning September 28, 2020 7:25 AM  

And what is evil to a civilized human being? Evil is the persecution and torment of the weak and the innocent. Why did the Jews kill Christ? WTF did he do?

Blogger Robert What? September 28, 2020 7:29 AM  

I discern evil whenever I look in mirror.

Blogger Rowan September 28, 2020 7:36 AM  

My students say there is no such thing as objective evil. I don’t even know where to begin with that.

The moral and cultural relativists have done their job well.

Blogger MaskettaMan September 28, 2020 7:41 AM  

It may be that a person decides they don't want to fight and then chooses not to correctly identify the target. We know that humans make choices and then rationalize them in a backwards direction. Someone who goes along to get along may choose not to discern enemies because it causes them mental anguish to do so. Then it would be not just a logical failing but a moral failing.

Blogger Doom September 28, 2020 8:06 AM  

Too many don't want to look. Just getting them to study virtues and vices is difficult. I do suspect the refusal has to do with vices they aren't willing to give up. Someone said they would do almost anything to help, but they wouldn't go to hell with, a lost sinner. For me, I have limits. As soon as I realize they know but don't actually care? I'm splits. Christ will have to go for that one. Not even He will get them all, or... even most of them. Still, it's a task He has taken.

Blogger Unknown September 28, 2020 8:10 AM  

Statements like "leftist just don't get it..." are really annoying. The people who we call "leftists" have subverted our countries to the point where it is not clear whether or not they will be able to recover at all, and the smarty pants on the right still continue with this crap. It is like the orcs are beating down the gates of the last fortress and the smarty pant defenders make snooty comments about how ridiculous it is that it takes them 1 hour to succeed even though it should have taken them only 10 minutes.

Blogger Newscaper312 September 28, 2020 8:13 AM  

Ive had quite a few arguments online over the years that, just because situations are often not sharply defined black and white, doesnt mean we cant still to see the shades of gray, much less that we dont still need to at least try.

Blogger IreneAthena September 28, 2020 8:15 AM  

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Blogger SciVo September 28, 2020 8:19 AM  

Well, Churchianity.

Blogger Rick September 28, 2020 8:37 AM  

It goes hand in hand with recognizing patterns, interpreting them, and trying to determine where they’re headed. And where their headed.
Christ I think endorses this by his statement “by their fruits”.

Blogger Nick Roberts September 28, 2020 8:37 AM  

It's time to admit that the official (cucked?) conservative definition of the left/right divide is EXACTLY wrong: conservatives think that liberals are stupid and liberals think that conservatives are evil. Time to accept our ancient error and replace the cliche with the truth.

Blogger Rick September 28, 2020 8:38 AM  

And you can’t discern, if you can’t “see”.

Blogger hysteropotmos September 28, 2020 8:42 AM  

I view the lack of discernment as a primary trait of churchians. They insist on a hard and fast rule for every situation where using discernment would indict them with responsibility. Fighting back is always wrong. Humanitarian aid is always right. Ascribing malevolent motives is wrong, if doing so would require action. More often than not this strikes me as nothing more than a cover for weakness and cowardice.

Blogger xevious2030 September 28, 2020 9:04 AM  

It's even worse. The inability to discern good. It isn't enough to to define by evil, as the natural does as much. It is to discern that which is called outside of both the evil and the natural to be that which is a part of the Kingdom of God. Less than that is not enough.

Blogger Doktor Jeep September 28, 2020 9:11 AM  

One of the things we are "told" is that we don't have the right to judge. How often in media movies and print is someone scolded "who do you think you are having the right to judge people?". And of course the character doing the judging is always the stuffed shirt racistbigothomophobe bad guy antagonist.
When I realized this programming and the damage it does, I decided that yes, I know who I am and yes I DO have the right to judge.
From then on my life had a lot less retards, drama queens, grifters, backstabbers, and literal demons in it.
It was also the end of being a libertarian.
Thing is, they attacked our right to judge and programmed it out of the masses. This is why wherever there is TV, there's degeneracy and evil. If I had a time machine, Hitler would be lower on my target list - though I would try to convince him to homestead and stay out of politics - than the inventors of television. Remember, they call the show's "programs" and the schedule "programming" for a reason.

Blogger dadofhomeschoolers September 28, 2020 9:15 AM  

FFE, im discerning that in this case it's "fire for effect". To give the illusion that you are doing something about the evil.

Blogger peacefulposter September 28, 2020 9:20 AM  

The inability to discern good.

It is amazing how may people can't discern that Trump is good. Of course he has many flaws, narcissism being one of them! But his heart is clearly in the right place.

Blogger Critias September 28, 2020 9:27 AM  

'Discernment' is the cardinal virtue of prudence. Teaching and practice of the virtues has long been abandoned in mainstream education and thought, so people have no understanding of what evil is other than perceiving anything that isn't 'nice' as bad. Boarders are bad, disciplining your children is bad, abstaining from any vice is bad etc.

Blogger Pierre September 28, 2020 9:31 AM  

I recommend the book "Political Ponerology: A Science on the Nature of Evil Adjusted for Political Purposes"

Author was a psychologist living in communist Poland. After understanding the State and government had gone insane on all levels, he decided it was after all his job to study it. And communism being what it is, this turned into the study of evil, psychopathy and other mental deviances, and how they mesh with power and politics.

It is absolutely relevant to current politics.

Quote #1

The ultimate cause of evil lies in the interaction of two human factors: 1) normal human ignorance and weakness and 2) the existence and action of a statistically small (4-8% of the general population) but extremely active group of psychologically deviant individuals. The ignorance of the existence of such psychological differences is the first criterion of ponerogenesis. That is, such ignorance creates an opening whereby such individuals can act undetected.

(...)

Living in a world whose morals and customs are meaningless to them and even seen as oppressive, psychopaths dream of a "happy" and "just" world where their depraved worldview is accepted as reality. They seek, by any means necessary, to achieve positions in government where their dreams can be brought to fruition. If injustice does exist in a society, their statements regarding the 'unfairness' of their situation can resonate with those who actually do experience such injustice. Thus, revolutionary doctrines can be accepted by both groups for diametrically opposed reasons.


Quote #2

Our modern Western culture lacks an adequate framework to understand the causes and processes of what we commonly refer to as evil in our history. The Third Reich, the Bolshevik Revolution, Stalinism… Our body of literature, social sciences, and our common sense of morality only scratch the surface of a true comprehension of the nature of evil. Thus, the very people who are, in fact, the initiators of the greatest ponerogenic [evildoing] activity pass undetected. Our lack of understanding will inevitably lead to the very problems that the majority of humanity seeks to prevent.


Blogger Hezekiah Garrett September 28, 2020 9:35 AM  

Fire for Effect

Blogger VFM Bear September 28, 2020 9:38 AM  

I wonder if a lot of it isn't fear-based. Not necessarily fear of the sinner, but the fear of what recognizing the sin entails, condemning the sin/sinner, all that uncomfortable stuff.

IKAGO writ large, treating the exception as disproving the rule as opposed to proving it.

Like pretending that how certain groups are portrayed on tv, or that one lovely person of x they know, is how they choose to view that group because they aren't prepared to deal with the reality. Or ignoring the distasteful parts of someone they know so as not to have to deal with it.

Willful ignorance.

Blogger braq September 28, 2020 9:39 AM  

Like the old saw:
>The Greatest Trick the Devil Ever Pulled Was Convincing the World He Didn’t Exist

Blogger The Masked Menace September 28, 2020 9:39 AM  

"At this point, the inability to discern evil looks a lot more like a refusal to accept the reality of evil." - VD


Thank you. This is an example of why I've been coming to your valuable blog for over a dozen years. You're able to distinctly state in one simple freaking sentence a thought which would take me a long muddled paragraph to get out of my confused mind.

This is exactly what I faced with my mind-numbing T.D.S. relatives. Evil is staring them in the face, but they absolutely REFUSE to acknowledge it. And they get VERY angry at anyone who simply states the obvious.

Blogger plishman September 28, 2020 9:41 AM  

Comes under the leftists' rubric "do not discriminate, except against those who do".

Or to put it in its archaic form: "let do what thou wilt be the whole of the law"

Same origin, same author, same meaning, nothing new.

Blogger nyan September 28, 2020 9:51 AM  

Proverbs 8:13: The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

We're not to "discern" evil. We're to HATE it.

Blogger Doc September 28, 2020 9:53 AM  

Discernment is the 6th pillar of wisdom in Proverbs. Discretion, discernment in action, is the 7th. One follows the other. Inability to discern = inability to take action...

Blogger McChuck September 28, 2020 9:55 AM  

It's the willingness to FFE that we really seem to lack.
Mountains of skulls, rivers of blood, and oceans of tears.

Blogger JD Curtis September 28, 2020 9:55 AM  

I was thinking of this just the other day when discussing massive voter fraud in the US with a leftist.

Does he not realize that such fraud exists?
If he does realize it, is he OK with it and is he privately egging it on?

If election results indicate Trump lost the election it will certainly be due to fraud.

Link from yesterday

Blogger John Rockwell September 28, 2020 10:16 AM  

@4


"25Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.


26Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, so that the outside may become clean as well.

27Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside, but on the inside are full of dead men’s bones and every kind of impurity.

28In the same way, on the outside you appear to be righteous, but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

29Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the monuments of the righteous.

30And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partners with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.

31So you testify against yourselves that you are the sons of those who murdered the prophets.

32Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your fathers.

33You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape the sentence of hell?"

Our God knew the Trajectory of their religion. When their hearts are unclean and they became Hypocrites. Whited Sepulchers.

Their lack of belief of Jesus Christ means there would be no sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit in their hearts to cleanse them.

Of course they will end up sacrificing children to demons.

Blogger Starkman September 28, 2020 10:20 AM  

That's because these people are evil themselves to varying degrees, and to recognize evil within others would require them to first do so within themselves. To truly be able to hold someone responsible for their behavior, you must do so with everyone, including yourself.

The average person (read here: the vast, crushing majority of modern people) is not a good but clueless or misguided individual, but rather a sickening, self-victimizing coward who would sacrifice their own children to complete monsters in exchange for nothing but a pat on the head and the reassurance that they've done "the right thing" at no cost to themselves. They just want to be "left alone", you see, even if that implies letting atrocities happen right in front of them to the people they (very loudly) pretend to love and care about.

The self-appointed "elite" know that, encourage it and exploit it for all it's worth, as it is the main source of their power. Like the one they serve, their main selling points are basically irresponsibility and impunity, as every deal with the Devil revolves around the words "it's not your fault" and "there will be no consequences". In other words, "do as you will (someone else will pay)".

Case in point: the Boomers (they're far from the only ones, but are pretty much the ultimate example of it).

Normies are basically complicit in heinous crimes against entire generations, having sold out their own children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren to get castrated, raped, pimped out and force-drugged into oblivion, not to mention forcing them into debt slavery through public debt and worthless college degrees, or the untold numbers of infanticides and familial holocausts (I refuse to call them "abortions" and "divorces") they've taken a part into instead of getting off their lazy ass and dealing with their own lives responsibly.

So yeah. It's not that "leftists don't get it", and I don't believe conservatives or churchians or what have you actually believe any of the shit that comes out of their own mouth. It's an out they're giving themselves by playing dumb when they could have, should have, and did know better, hoping to go unnoticed.

Blogger Crush Limbraw September 28, 2020 10:25 AM  

First read Ezekiel 33:1-11 - DaWatchman!
Then read Hebrews 5:11-14.
All summarized at - https://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/2018/07/note-to-mentors-when-watchman-falls.html?m=0 - that is why DaLimbraw Library exists.
There is nothing new under the sun - anyone with a brain who reads the Bible for UNDERSTANDING will receive it. It's called WISDOM and according to James, God grants it if you ask.
When our conscience is seared, we're freaking blind to reality - and truth is reality - like it or not!
Get to work!

Blogger IreneAthena September 28, 2020 10:35 AM  

The devil, in the guise of an angel of light, prowls around like a lion looking for believers to deceive, and sometimes those farthest along the road toward Heaven are the most mouth-watering targets. If that's the state of even committed believers, what possible hope is there for people who've been born into and brought up in rich and powerful child-trafficking families? SOMEONE's got to pray for them I guess, though I wonder, would Heaven really be Heaven with THEM there? I can pray that their souls be "delivered to Satan for the destruction of the flesh" (whatever that means exactly?) "so that the spirit may be saved"-- and the innocents they've been molesting be comforted and healed.

Blogger Tars Tarkas September 28, 2020 10:41 AM  

Notice how they never ascribe to us a motive of wanting to do good or coming from a good place. In fact, they always do the opposite. They always assume we are evil from their point of view. They ascribe to us their own evil intent.

Good people cannot imagine the evil in others and the evil people cannot imagine goodness in others.

Blogger Bobo #117 September 28, 2020 11:03 AM  

I have paid attention for a while, but isn't Bruce a Morm?

Blogger Up from the pond September 28, 2020 11:17 AM  

"It is amazing how many people can't discern that Trump is good."

What if they do discern that he's good and that's why they hate him - because he's good? Not every TDS case can be from "inability" or "stupidity."

We shy away from acknowledging evil in someone, but sometimes evil individuals are shown to be such to our faces. Forgive 7 times 7. But then...

Blogger Critias September 28, 2020 11:23 AM  

@18 "One of the things we are "told" is that we don't have the right to judge."

That has to be one of the most destructive poisons ever to be poured into a civilization.

Blogger Kraemer September 28, 2020 11:30 AM  

Does it matter, fundamentally? Sure, he might be wrong about certain things, but we can always discern if his insight into any particular topic is good

Blogger JamesB.BKK September 28, 2020 11:37 AM  


FFE, im discerning that in this case it's "fire for effect". To give the illusion that you are doing something about the evil.

There should be at least two examples to support each claim in that second sentence there.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 September 28, 2020 11:44 AM  

The fact that there is a vast conspiracy of elites who, among other things, sacrifice children to Satan (or whatever they call it) after abusing and raping them is a very uncomfortable and frightening concept. Not only is it very hard for people to grasp just how evil and depraved some people can be, the idea that it is done on a mass scale is just too hideous for the normal human mind to understand.

They think it's all just concepts from a horror movie or that it's just a lone serial killer, not a network of people committing such atrocities.

But it's all very real and more and more of it is coming to light these days. God-willing, we'll see these monsters dragged into the open, exposed and naked for the world to see.

Blogger Dan in Georgia September 28, 2020 11:53 AM  

A friend of mine has a brother that is terrified of the beer bug. He's way above midwit IQ. I was wondering why he would fall for the narrative. Then he told me is brother doesn't believe in objective evil. That was why. He literally thinks it all comes down to honest disagreement. The highly intelligent can really tie themselves into pretzels when they have no spiritual foundation.

Blogger Enjcj September 28, 2020 12:08 PM  

Barnhardt has a good number of articles on this. Called cowardice/effeminancy.

https://www.barnhardt.biz/2020/09/07/when-prudence-truly-dictates-that-something-must-be-said-or-done-inaction-then-becomes-a-sin-no-matter-how-one-might-try-to-justify-that-inaction-as-prudence-that-sin-is-called-co/

Blogger dadofhomeschoolers September 28, 2020 12:23 PM  

Hmm, theres a chance, probably approaching 1, that I am backwards in that statement. What was in my head was the bow tie brigade and their tut tutting over something they have identified as "evil", and the legions of electons they inconvenience as a result.

Blogger RadixMalorum September 28, 2020 12:39 PM  

Doom wrote:Too many don't want to look. Just getting them to study virtues and vices is difficult. I do suspect the refusal has to do with vices they aren't willing to give up. Someone said they would do almost anything to help, but they wouldn't go to hell with, a lost sinner. For me, I have limits. As soon as I realize they know but don't actually care? I'm splits. Christ will have to go for that one. Not even He will get them all, or... even most of them. Still, it's a task He has taken.

When the wicked suffer the consequences of their actions they shouldn't be mourned. It should be celebrated.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 28, 2020 1:03 PM  

Not only do we have the right to judge, we are ORDERED to discern. We are even given the standards by which w should judge.
"By their fruits". Not by their words, not by their reputations, not by their credentials, not by their belongings, not by their appearance, not by their learning, not by their power, not by their utility, not by their family.
By what spiritual fruit they produce, you must judge.

Blogger Canadian Warlord September 28, 2020 1:18 PM  

I think it's wrapped up in our psychological view of sacrifice. We know deep down that hard work today means easier life tomorrow, this basic understanding can be a tool for our rulers. They play with what is sacrificed and what is gained. Taxes feed destructive social policies, militaries that target citizens, and oligarchal structures that are a net drain on resources. But it all seems so natural to us, it's connected to us in a way that we feel we own.

Blogger Pathfinderlight September 28, 2020 1:54 PM  

For real constructive argument to take place, it requires some shared principles.

In the case of your students, you can't find one...so your job is to take their logic to its absurd conclusion to show them exactly where it breaks down. For poorly thought out Marxist religion, this happens in ways that will shock most normal people.

Blogger Doom September 28, 2020 1:58 PM  

RadixMalorum wrote:Doom wrote:Too many don't want to look. Just getting them to study virtues and vices is difficult. I do suspect the refusal has to do with vices they aren't willing to give up. Someone said they would do almost anything to help, but they wouldn't go to hell with, a lost sinner. For me, I have limits. As soon as I realize they know but don't actually care? I'm splits. Christ will have to go for that one. Not even He will get them all, or... even most of them. Still, it's a task He has taken.

When the wicked suffer the consequences of their actions they shouldn't be mourned. It should be celebrated.


Absolutely. But from personal experience, I like to think some can be... brought around. Some others. As much as I despise Lenin and Stalin, I have more hope they figured it out before ending up in hell. Goes doubly for some mixed up punk.

When it's done, I will not a tear shed for those in hell.

Blogger Revelation Means Hope September 28, 2020 3:12 PM  

They rarely sacrifice children. Instead, the child is left to grow up and repeat the abuse, normalize it further, and become a slave of various addictions that provides money and resources to their evil plots.

Each abortion leaves multiple victims, as Satan laughs at the young woman. She will know for the rest of her life she committed the murder of her own innocent child. Every child she sees forever will be a reminder.

Blogger McChuck September 28, 2020 4:33 PM  

@51 - The DC region has the highest rate of missing children in the nation. It is more than double the rate of any other municipal area.

Blogger Ahărôwn September 28, 2020 6:18 PM  

Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

Proverbs 4:7 KJV

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( you can't untuck the Cuck, but the real question is "Why were you trying to touch a Cuck like that?" ) September 28, 2020 9:26 PM  

speaking of discernment, the Secret of Hollywood through the lense of Mulholland Drive:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiCfHW3N3vo

not that it's been much of a secret. as i've pointed out before, the 1932 Cary Grant ( playing a character named "Romer" ) vehicle "Hot Saturday" is pretty much a recruiting video for the casting couch.

Blogger John Rockwell September 28, 2020 9:44 PM  

IreneAthena wrote: SOMEONE's got to pray for them I guess, though I wonder, would Heaven really be Heaven with THEM there? I can pray that their souls be "delivered to Satan for the destruction of the flesh" (whatever that means exactly?) "so that the spirit may be saved"-- and the innocents they've been molesting be comforted and healed.

"10By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as an expert builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one must be careful how he builds.


11For no one can lay a foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.




12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw,


13 his workmanship will be evident, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will prove the quality of each man’s work.



14If what he has built survives, he will receive a reward.


15If it is burned up, he will suffer loss. He himself will be saved, but only as if through the flames."


The the one who dies but his flesh is saved is the one whose work is burnt up but he himself is saved. And he will have no reward outside of access to Jesus Christ and a part in the New Jerusalem and the New Creation.

At the lowest of the lowest rank and reward basically and nothing else since there is no deed based on Jesus Christ to merit to him.


Blogger John Rockwell September 28, 2020 9:48 PM  

I am not sure in any of your guys know about Common Filth. But his comment on modern society is that many normies are nothing more than Veal wrapped in cotton:

The normie denial of the evil of homosexuals is a prime example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cEomJLSf7o

Blogger John Rockwell September 28, 2020 9:49 PM  

McChuck wrote:@51 - The DC region has the highest rate of missing children in the nation. It is more than double the rate of any other municipal area.

Evil corrupt people are attracted to power like bees to honey:
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/06/23/washington-dc-the-psychopath-capital-of-america-218892

Blogger IreneAthena September 28, 2020 11:35 PM  

@55 Thanks, John Rockwell. That does shed light on it.

Blogger Alex September 29, 2020 1:10 AM  

Identifying evil is a good first step to rediscovering what is good.

A good first step is calling out the materialists. Those that openly and proudly state that they themselves don't have souls should be taken seriously at their foolish word. Evil gets it foothold when it convinces Man that God never existed and that Man is merely matter; these are Evil's useful midwit idiots.

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Vox all the way

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