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Friday, October 23, 2020

All right, we'll call it a draw

I didn't watch the debate last night. But all you have to do is see the mainstream media calling it a draw to know who won:

Biden brought up the former New York City mayor as he lashed out at Trump for not calling out Russia and other foreign powers for election meddling. In turn, Trump claimed Biden had enriched himself with foreign dollars alongside his son.

'I don't make money from China, you do. I don't make money from Ukraine, you do. I don't make money from Russia, you do,' Trump said. The president alluded to Tony Bobulinski, a former business partner to Hunter Biden that Trump brought to the debate as his guest. But it was only a passing mention given the drama Trump's campaign had orchestrated just hours before the clash on stage.

Prior to the debate, Bobulinski addressed White House reporters and claimed he had proof that the former vice president was aware of his son's business dealings with China.

'All of the email, the emails, the horrible emails of the kind of money you were raking in,' Trump said. 'And Joe, you were vice president when some of this was happening. And I think you owe an explanation to the American people, why is it - somebody just had a news conference a little while ago - who was essentially supposed to work with you and your family, but what he said was damning,' Trump continued. 'And regardless of me I think you have to clean it up and talk to the American people. Maybe you can do it right now,' the president added....

Trump also found a way to tie Biden's complaints to his own primary grievance: the Russia probe. After Biden tried to tie the apparent information dumps about his son to Russian election interference, the president scoffed.

'You mean the laptop is now the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax?' Trump asked, incredulously.

'The laptop is Russia, Russia, Russia? You got to be kidding. Here we go with Russia,' he said – taking the issue that most endangered his presidency and brought on the multi-year Mueller probe and turning it on his rival.

Trump found ways to get in many of his favorite digs as the exchange went on and on. He called Hunter's laptop the 'laptop from hell.' He also found ways to put Biden on his heels by asking when he pitched various plans: 'Why didn’t you do it in the eight years' serving with Obama. Biden could only summon a brief answer that only hinted at the GOP opposition he once had to contend with in the House. 'We had a Republican Congress. That’s the answer,' he said, without expanding. 

Even with the personal animosity and charges of corruption, the debate lacked much of the fire of the first encounter in Cleveland, in part due to the technological change with the microphones, and possibly due to deliberate decisions by the candidates to hold some of their impulses in check. But a comparatively calm debate that some analysts were already calling a draw denied Trump the opportunity to reset the race, with Biden leading him by 8 points in the Real Clear Politics polling average. 

62 comments:

  1. "He called Hunter's laptop the 'laptop from hell.'"

    Hm... Why would he say this?

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  2. Joe is going to tell the oil industry to close up shop within 10 years...he has magic wind turbines! Come on, man!

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  3. Biden is a shell.
    There's nothing left.
    If he wins.
    He won't be running the country.
    That is a certainty.

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  4. joe really looked out of touch with reality in these debates. slurring a lot. not controlling his language. trump beat him based on vigor and health alone. biden needs to retire and rest.

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  5. But a comparatively calm debate that some analysts were already calling a draw denied Trump the opportunity to reset the race

    How many of these "pundits" were among the mewling cabbages that described the then-upcoming debates as "pointless" and "a terrible way to choose a president"? Now, a supposed draw is "proof" Trump can't win, because "winning" the debates is vital.

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  6. Yeah, this was a complete freaking massacre by Trump. Biden was just steamrolled.

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  7. Biden clearly ran out of r energy at some point. Calling Trump Lincoln and referencing the 50-whatever intelligence sources saying the laptop is a Russian hoax. Apparently Creepy Joe missed the FBI admitting it’s real.

    Obviously Trump outlasted the amphetamine binge and scored most blows-per-second after the high had passed.

    Worst part was when they had to answer a non-question about “the Talk,” pretending to directly address the black. Suddenly I thought I was looking at a bad meme from 2012.

    Seriously, “the Talk” No follow-up about Derb’s talk for white folk.

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  8. Reset the race .... you mean like the democratic has tried to do??

    Those people are retarded.
    8points lead, 0 full sentences

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  9. It was a route. The only way one could think Biden kept pace is by deliberately forgetting everything Biden said yesterday, last week, last month, and last year. Trump was stronger on the opening COVID response section, even where the moderator cut in to fake fact check, and he obliterated Biden on the laptop, foreign policy, race, immigration, and energy policy. Biden’s insistence that he never said he’d ban fracking was comically stupid—Trump’s team had a link to video posted on Twitter within minutes—and then Biden went full stupid by calling for a ban on all fossil fuels. Those lines work in a Democrat primary, but it’s hard to see Biden winning any coal or oil state with that stance.

    The only issue that might have been a draw was health insurance, and that was largely because the moderator framed the entire question around Democrat talking points and then gave Biden nearly twice as much time.

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  10. Trump: King Arthur
    Biden: The Black Knight
    VP: Making Monty Python References Funny Again.

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  11. Down to 8 points? Trump will win 40+ states!

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  12. The number of self-owns/goals by Biden makes me think he's intentionally trying to throw the election. He looked like a cowed man with no will left of his own. The fact he brought up North Korea, Iran, Russia and China as an attempt to dig at Trump caused me to laugh the hardest I had all nadministration.
    North Korea is one of Trump's massive, contrasted success stories when compared to the previous admin. Likewise with China and Iran.

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  13. It's all about creating perceptions because they're trying to rig it anyway. Funnily enough been that way in key elections of past, this time it's so blatant because he's a genuine retard who's decades deep in corruption and only the blindest and most biased can't see what the team behind Trump is trying to show them. Curiously enough, the former MI6 chief got interviewed in Time recently and if you see his follows (NYT, The Economist) and see his take (our problems aren't Russia, we created the problems we have), you can see what America is up against with the implications of Five Eyes and intelligence communities trying to entrap a U.S. President. The Deep State was never American Owned, although it had plenty of useful elite idiots. I'm amused that JFK set up the DIA and made the first real attempt to squash this, being Irish and all. That was also a fun video watching Prince Charles walk straight past Mike Pence while eyeballing him, "These Irish guys have a bit more organisation behind them than the IRA hey ol' big ears."

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  14. Biden may have accomplished the unthinkable: making Ted Kennedy look dignified and principled.

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  15. I happened to watch it all, and Joe seemed like his back was against the wall most of the debate.

    The moderator was overly generous to Biden, but Trump's performance made up for it.

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  16. It's going to be so damned much fun when Trump wins. Life is going to be like one giant Dame Pasos TYT election night melt down video for a whole month.

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  17. Trump soundly thrashed Biden's ear bug committee.

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  18. four of us watched it with our mouths wide open - yawning
    three of us said "just political theatre", the other one said "how else are the MSM channels supposed to make money."
    All four us said, "what a waste of time; it's The Donald vs. Harris. the ex let the cat out of the bag yesterday: he wants his wife for VP. what a waste of time!"

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  19. Now my turbo-sperg brain is going to be stuck on which person is most like which character.

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  20. Trump crushed him like a bug

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  21. Trump didn't even have to get into the details of Biden's corruption emerging from the laptop. The small allusions were quite sufficient.
    Everyone in this country who isn't being forcibly ventilated by Cuomo already knows.

    Big Tech, Biden, and the media are learning that you can't stop the signal.

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  22. Trump was cool ,calm and collected. Beijing Biden sounded like the Grim Reaper.

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  23. It wasn't close. Biden had a few good moments, but Trump made Old Joe look like the sleazy politician he has always been. Fun to watch.

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  24. My biggest takeaway from this debate was how "moderate" the moderator turned out to be.

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  25. I still can't believe just how much the mask has slipped since Trump came on the scene. That alone makes him better than any president for a very, very long time.

    It's also amazing what he's done to my impression of Biden. I think there was a for a long time a bi-partisan consensus that he was simply a buffoon. Something I generally shared. Now I can see he is far, far worse than that. It would be a massive improvement if Congress and the Senate were all just buffoons.

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  26. Denied Trump an opportunity to reset the race? Why does the guy who's ahead need to reset anything?

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  27. I don't think the polling is having the effect that the Left would want; many people are taking their own measure of the way the race is going:
    - Talking to people
    - Noting the lack of enthusiasm for Biden - few signs, no crowds - even Kamala couldn't generate a crowd in her Biden substitution rally
    - The constant disappearing into the basement - Trump noted that in the debate. Not just Joe, but also Kamala are often 'not available' to media or to campaign. Are they planning to abscound with the cash left in the campaign after the election?
    - The clamp-down on information is having an effect. I'm getting less pushback on pro-Trump tweets and posts, except for the most rabid defenders with TDS. People are starting to ask questions.

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  28. The writer details multiple instances of trump knocking biden back on his heels and then calls it a draw. Biden is like the Black Knight in the holy grail
    "ill bite your ankles!come backnhere and fight you coward!"

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  29. Biden tried his absolute best the entire night to use crappy rhetoric, and it was clear that he didn't have any responses for the god-emperor. Trump went after so many laughable claims made by Biden the entire night that it felt like more of a beatdown session than an actual debate. The actual irony was that whenever Biden tried to accuse the god-emperor of being controlled by foreign powers, he got absolutely carpet bombed with the Hunter narrative. In my opinion,the most important takeaway from the debate was that Biden didn't go out and deny that the emails were real, and it will be interesting to see how the media will fumble their coverage of that story till November 3rd.

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    1. I think Trump’s counter-punching with Hunter narrative was brilliant rhetorical jiu-jitsu.

      By counter-punching, it allows him to sidestep any objections about him shifting to foreign policy in a debate where the topics were intentionally focused on domestic policy.

      It also permits hearty and hale Trump to avoid accusations of beating up on a gentle, weary old man like Joe.

      Finally, "Queens," was the pitch perfect moment of the night, and one of the best of his Presidency.

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  30. I didn't watch either; debates give me hives. But the second-hand running commentary was very good. It sounds like the media's attempt to "control" Trump with the threat of muting his microphone backfired on them. Without interruptions, Biden was able to ramble and get himself in trouble. Apparently a few times the moderator even interrupted Biden to try to get him back on track.

    Biden said he would shut down the oil industry and stop fracking, which should go over great in the Rust Belt. He wants to give gibs and amnesty to tens of millions of illegals because a few thousand of them have worked as Holy First Responders. If debates have any effect, those two points alone would sink any chance he had.

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  31. Oh, and Biden called Trump Abraham Lincoln and said he was the most racist president? I may need to go to the transcript to figure that one out.

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  32. I can't help but wonder, did Hunter Biden want to be caught?

    He obviously hates himself.

    But how could he not hate the man, who made him what he is?

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  33. Here's at least one funny summary:

    THUG LIFE: BEST Trump Debate Moments! Biden Officially PWNED! | Louder With Crowder

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  34. I watched it. Biden is pretty whiney, much less impressive as a speaker. Trump had facts, figures and a bit of genuine outrage, he brought his A game. The moderator wasn't awful, did allow him to make his points, but her bias was also fairly clear - about as good as you could have expected. Revealing that she had closed down her twitter, and the punishment dished out to CBS probably worked to keep her on a leash.

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  35. I watched it this morning, still digesting it but I was surprised how much they let the GE get away with after all the hype about mute buttons.

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  36. Biden rote learned his answers, the moderator questions were no doubt provided to his campaign long before and he's had a week holed up in his basement to learn his lines. He was competent enough doing this, he is a career politician after all and despite the dementia muscle memory, his ear piece and whatever they had him hopped up on carried him through.

    But when he attempted anything spontaneous, especially when responding to Trump's interjections, it was painful to watch. The confirmation that he intended to close down the nation's oil industry just cost him Pennsylvania, Texas and Ohio have never been in play. That was a brain fart of epic proportions.

    "with Biden leading him by 8 points in the Real Clear Politics polling average."

    8 points you say? Last week it was 14. Enough with all this malarkey, Joe has some little girls hair to sniff. Can't let Hunter get all the action.

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  37. @thaen99October
    >>>"Joe is going to tell the oil industry to close up shop within 10 years...he has magic wind turbines! Come on, man!"
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    Why do meet Germans, everywhere? Because the place is losing people by the bucketload. It's become a second world country with brownouts because of those policies. But let's bring those ideas here, great plan democrats.

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  38. Sun Tzu Highlight of the Debate: Trump got Biden to admit he would rid the country of the oil industry.

    And the Democrats still think they can turn Texas blue.

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  39. Watched the highlights and the best moment was when the Emperor told the Creep he ran because of him. Trump psychologically redirected the left's hatred of himself onto Joe for being the cause of the "Trump nightmare". Simultaneously, he asserted complete dominance over Biden by saying "I'm looking at you now", thereby forcing Biden to look at him before saying it again right to his face. The deer in the headlights look on Biden's face says it all. It has been, and will continue to be, an absolute privilege to witness the Emperor work.

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  40. Luntz, to whom you just recently made reference, spinning

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  41. Balkan Yankee wrote:Sun Tzu Highlight of the Debate: Trump got Biden to admit he would rid the country of the oil industry.

    And the Democrats still think they can turn Texas blue.


    Interestingly, it's not just Texas here. And even if he was disciplined in his "only banning fracking on Federal land, that still doesn't help him. 5 states have >50% federal ownership of land (Texas is less than 2%, but that still represents 727 oil and gas leases - heck New Mexico has 10x as many leases at 8,282 and they always want to turn it blue). Of note is that California is ~46% owned by the feds, so this could actually hurt them there even -- for the most part, anyone opposed to fracking is already voting Biden so this could only hurt him (or hurt down ticket in redder areas).

    https://ballotpedia.org/Oil_and_gas_extraction_on_federal_land_in_Texas

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  42. I only watched 5 minutes but it seemed like Trump was way more "presidential". That doesn't matter to me - in fact I cast my vote at lunch yesterday - but for the "form over function" crowd (and there are many - think suburban women), it seems like last night's performance was a win and might've picked him up some votes.

    Considering the fact he's sharing a stage with an a-hole and known criminal that personally plotted to throw the president in prison, the restraint was apostolic.

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  43. Uh-oh. The FBI cancelled Bubolinksi's interview with the Senate this morning to interview with the FBI instead and...turn over his phones. I sure hope he's not planning to not kill himself soon...

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  44. @18. boronOctober
    I also yawned and thought it a waste of time.

    I give Trump. Trump is my guy but it drives me nuts the way he speaks.

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  45. anyone opposed to fracking is already voting Biden so this could only hurt him (or hurt down ticket in redder areas).

    Are they? I mean, certainly they're not voting Trump, but the Donks problem is they might not be voting at all.

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  46. Biden blew himself up in the first five minutes explaining how everyone was going to strap the diaper full-time under his administration.

    Donald was just along for the ride after that, although the "He did nothing except build cages for children!" crack had us Q followers cheering ourselves hoarse.

    = = =

    Most telegraphed mat-dive in history. (Mitt Romney, eat your heart out.)

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  47. @41: "anyone opposed to fracking is already voting Biden so this could only hurt him (or hurt down ticket in redder areas)."

    It is going to wreck him in western PA faster than he can say, "Marcellus shale formation? What's that?!"

    The Biden campaign is not confident about PA at all. They rolled out Obama in Philly two days ago because Joe is just not winning over black voters like he must.

    And then Scranton Joe just had to go and screw the pooch on fracking. Again.

    His campaign is hard at it today, trying to explain what Joe really meant as opposed to what Joe really said. (I hear this pays well.)

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  48. Brett baker wrote:Down to 8 points? Trump will win 40+ states!
    If the polls think they can only lie 8 points worth, Trump is on track to win all 57 states!
    Jack Amok wrote:Are they? I mean, certainly they're not voting Trump, but the Donks problem is they might not be voting at all.
    After six+ months of the Dems being the party of riots, lockdowns, antifa and blm, there are a lot of registered Dems who are going to vote for Trump because at least he's not a Dem. There are multi-generation union stalwarts who always vote Dem because granpappy always voted Dem who are going to vote for Trump in a couple of weeks.

    The Dems have thrown away any shot at winning elections at the national level, and that's going to hurt them badly down-ticket at the state and local level. Anyplace the Dems can't engage in unlimited cheating, Trump wins the popular vote, and other Rs are going to get swept along by his coat tails.

    Back in 2015 I really wanted to see Trump burn the GOP to the ground. Looks like he's starting with the Dem wing of the uniparty.

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  49. https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/10/22/rasmussen-says-trump-just-hit-the-holy-grail-of-reelection-numbers-n267439

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  50. @29 FallofthaEmpire:

    Biden tried his absolute best the entire night to use crappy rhetoric, and it was clear that he didn't have any responses for the god-emperor.

    Didn't watch it, but a lot are agreeing, and going further, as mentioned by others, and also detailed in something I found on the Instapundit's page:

    It was plain to see that Biden had attempted to memorize a script. Just as in the first debate, he never directly answered a question. He’d launch into a talking point, then say, ‘This guy,’ and begin a personal attack on the president that wasn’t germane to the question. By the end of the debate he was glitching a lot and having difficulty remembering the script. He also had difficulty articulating any of his own policies. He just kept telling people to look at his website to know what he thought.

    If it was really that bad, this debate alone was enough to shift a close election in Trump's favor. That's assuming we have a real election, of course, but:

    @35 Steve Samson

    I watched it this morning, still digesting it but I was surprised how much they let the GE get away with after all the hype about mute buttons.

    No matter how much the Left keeps talking about resisting anything but a Biden win, explicitly all the way to succession and civil war, will the have the guts to try it? Sure, that mute button was a tasty temptation, but someone realized there were limits to what they could get away in using it. Turning off Trump in mid-paragraph would be extremely obvious, with plenty of potential counters, like his pulling out a sign as some imagined, he might pull out or arrange to get handed by the Secret Service a small bullhorn, and after either or the like, he could just walk out and attack the Fake News Media.

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  51. Jack Amok wrote:anyone opposed to fracking is already voting Biden so this could only hurt him (or hurt down ticket in redder areas).

    Are they? I mean, certainly they're not voting Trump, but the Donks problem is they might not be voting at all.


    Fair (good catch on my logic error), but I'll be defensive and note that if they're not bothering to show up to the polls "I'll ban fracking" isn't going to get them there. That's what "free college" is for. Positive benefits, not negative ones.

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  52. "who built the cages Joe?"

    Calling Biden by his first name like a teacher scolding a naughty boy was entertaining to watch. I didn't find it boring at all.

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  53. The Biden campaign is not confident about PA at all.

    They claim Democrats are outpacing Republicans in early/mail-in votes in PA something like 6-1, which doesn't fit with the PA state polls, other states, or anything anyone's seeing. Either they've been tossing hundreds of thousands of Trump votes in a shredder, or there's some extra BS going on there.

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  54. Despite the lefty moderator and an agenda full of lefty talking points (seriously, why no foreign policy, stacking the supreme court, antifa riots etc), Trump went on to steamroll Biden on every issue.

    Biden was also targeting his victimhood voters with tales of woe while Trump presented a much more appealing message of strength and hope

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  55. I didn't watch the debate, but I assume Trump must have cleaned CreepyJoe Your Basement Biden's clock because none of the usuals are posting on FB about how awesome Biden did.

    there are a lot of registered Dems who are going to vote for Trump because at least he's not a Dem. There are multi-generation union stalwarts who always vote Dem because granpappy always voted Dem who are going to vote for Trump in a couple of weeks.

    Absolutely, but those aren't anti-fracking people. That's all I was referring to - people who would vote for Biden because he's anti-fracking. It's like a lot of other Democrat issues - gains votes with a niche segment, loses votes with a majority of the country. That's a problem with a Coalition of the Malcontents - the various groups don't really like each other and sooner or later, you can't keep the messages segregated.

    "I'll ban fracking" isn't going to get them there. That's what "free college" is for. Positive benefits, not negative ones.

    Eco-nuts are already generally well-off with an astonishing sense of entitlement. Even "gimme free tuition and birth control" dingbats assume someone will pay their way one way or another, they've already moved beyond free stuff. Now they want power. They want to push those badthinking frackers around, show them who's really boss.


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  56. Biden debate prep. 1 min video clip. Humor. .
    https://youtu.be/Qu6PH9E5jiA
    "Weekend at Biden's"

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  57. I was watching some liveblogging and decided to tune in.

    I could not stay hooked up on what Biden said at nearly any time. I kept thinking "what the hell did that babbling geezer just say?"

    Meanwhile, Trump hit all the points I was looking for. "Well, we call can't stay in our basement like Joe". Hit him on the fact that guys like Biden always say they'll do this and that, and never had. Old dude's been there 47 years. I loved how he kept asking why him and Obama didn't get it done. One of the best lines - "You have to convince them", Trump said when Biden blamed his failures on a republican congress (which wasn't there 2006 - 2010 or so.)

    How many republicans would've turncoated had he or Obama shown a little respect and willingness to deal. Nearly all, I'd guess.

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  58. "reset the race"

    I don't really know what that means. But I'm going to assume it's based on the mistaken belief that Trump is behind and needed to use the debate to catch up. No.

    Reality is the other way around. I am convinced the only reason Biden bothered to show up is because he knows he's in trouble.

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  59. @55: Three days ago, Larry Schweikart reported that Trump campaign internal polls showed a "tie" in PA.

    My guess: That 6-to-1 ratio indicates the Democrats are cannibalizing their November 3 in-person vote. (A significant portion of those D mail-in ballots will go to Trump, just like in 2016.)

    Of course, cheating will occur, but PA will among the most heavily scrutinized states in that regard.

    And remember: Politics is a continuation of war by other means!

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  60. Turning off Trump in mid-paragraph would be extremely obvious

    Absolutely, and I absolutely thought they'd do it anyway. Whoever that girl is, she did a bang up job of appearing impartial. When MSM jobs start drying up she should head on over to Netflix.

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