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Tuesday, October 27, 2020

The end of the annual flu

The medical and scientific communities can't figure out where the flu has gone or why it has virtually disappeared:

In the Southern Hemisphere, where the flu season happens during our summer months, the WHO data suggests it never took off at all. In Australia, just 14 positive flu cases were recorded in April, compared with 367 during the same month in 2019 – a 96 per cent drop. By June, usually the peak of its flu season, there were none. In fact, Australia has not reported a positive case to the WHO since July.

In Chile, just 12 cases of flu were detected between April and October. There were nearly 7,000 during the same period in 2019. And in South Africa, surveillance tests picked up just two cases at the beginning of the season, which quickly dropped to zero over the following month – overall, a 99 per cent drop compared with the previous year.

In the UK, our flu season is only just beginning. But since Covid-19 began spreading in March, just 767 cases have been reported to the WHO compared with nearly 7,000 from March to October last year. And while lab-confirmed flu cases last year jumped by ten per cent between September and October, as a new season gets under way this year they've risen by just 0.7 per cent so far.... Other research by Public Health England has confirmed this. Globally, it is estimated that rates of flu may have plunged by 98 per cent compared with the same time last year.

'This is real,' says Dr David Strain, senior clinical lecturer at the University of Exeter Medical School. 'There's no doubt that we're seeing far fewer incidences of flu.'

So where has flu gone?

Covid-19 is the flu, obviously. Despite whatever differences there might be between a coronavirus and a rhinovirus, Covid-19 is simply playing the role that the annual flu strain, which is different every year, does. It is a little more dangerous than the normal flu virus, though considerably less dangerous than certain historical strains. Which is why all the lockdown and mask nonsense is now totally pointless, and is merely delaying the natural process of the virus working its way through the population before it finally peters out.

It wasn't a bad idea to err on the side of caution when the virulence of the disease was unknown. But now we know, so there is no reason to continue being paranoid about it.

100 comments:

  1. Blacks in Michigan were passing it around pretty hard, and a number died. But not enough the state governor needed to use the two 1,000 bed army emergency hospitals she demanded Trump give her.

    Then after the first waves she had to send positive patients into nursing homes to kill a bunch of patients and get the numbers up.

    Governor Whitler also said if people keep going to Trump rallies she will lock the state down again. As always, Jill Biden/Harris rallies, and social justice protests, are illness free.

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    1. Well that’s because Biden/Harris rallies are attendant free.

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    2. "Blacks in Michigan" says it all. Blacks don't take Vitamin D, yet they need it the most--especially in winter. Michigan is way too far north to get enough sunlight in summer, let alone winter. Here in Georgia, for 4.5 months of the year blacks don't get enough sunlight to absorb enough Vitamin D--if they go outside during the daytime. This is a big reason for most of their health problems. But they won't take something that eventually makes you healthier. They just don't think that way as a group. And no one tells them to do it either. Noticing differences is verboten.

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    3. But I thought melanin makes you superior...

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  2. There's gona be a lot of pissed off people when the facts become common accepted knowledge.

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    1. The Narrative is collapsing before our eyes. A 98% drop in flu deaths at the same exact time the number of "COVID deaths" happens is too obvious to ignore. They're starting to figure it out already. NY's lockdown ends November 3rd. How convenient.

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    2. Not so sure. They love the covid histeria

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    3. There's no shortage of moon-barkers and pearl-clutchers who will never willingly accept facts into common knowledge. They cling to their masks with the ferver of a cult fanatic.

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  3. The globalists and their step n fetchits the left played the flu card too early, I actually called that one right. They rule the public opinion via the hysterics of white women and that has about burnt out its welcome. Those idiots probably even cost them a good sized portion of the college kid vote such as the antics at my local cow college/football program where the overpaid president played Democratic operative and screwed over the students, probably to the point he needs security to walk about his joint.

    Thankfully it looks like Trump and Company think that SJW always doubling down is actually a weakness and not a reason to cuck harder.

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  4. I could go for another 2 month vacation

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  5. there is no reason to continue being paranoid about it

    That's all most people feel anymore, paranoid that there ARE conspiracies in this world, and they're all directed at THEM! Everybody just has a different boogeyman.

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  6. But now we know, so there is no reason to continue being paranoid about it.

    That won't stop the globalists, of course. Income tax didn't end on Armistice Day. I was telling people in March that if they went this route they would have to do it for every flu season. All the "where's your mask" People will demand it.

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  7. islanti said: There's gona be a lot of pissed off people *when the facts become common accepted knowledge*.

    Fear not, citizen; we're making sure that doesn't happen.
    - You're benevolent Social Media oligarchs

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  8. Anders Tegnell has said that the severity of last year's flu season had a direct correlation to this year's magic virus severity. If it was a weak flu season last year, it was a strong one this year, and vice versa. The magic virus is functionally the same as the flu. It only kills the old and severely ill that have less than 6 months to live, the obese who are ticking time bombs, or the heavy smokers who never had a chance to make it past 58.

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  9. There is a lot of crow to be eaten.

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  10. Jill Biden/Harris rallies

    It's really easy to be illness free when no one shows up.

    The SJ Rallies are mystifying.

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  11. It's a shame I can no longer find BBs "My challenge to the world" he uploaded in February...

    Batting 1000.

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  12. The garden variety flu may well be the unintended victim of social distancing, lockdowns and incessant hand washing triggered by governmental reaction to Coronachan. Masks would have little to no impact on the spread of the flu. Distancing would, however. And remember that the regular flu is not caught as easily as Coronachan. You also have to factor in masses of people taking large doses of vitamin C and other supplements, such as zinc and vitamin D, to ward off Coronachan. That would also ward off colds and the regular flu. Why the "scientists" are so stumped about this, I don't know. It's not rocket science.

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  13. Which is why all the lockdown and mask nonsense is now totally pointless, and is merely delaying the natural process of the virus working its way through the population before it finally peters out.

    Flu apparently has an infection reproduction rate in the 1.2-1.5 range, but Covid-19 appears to be well above 4. Trying to wipe out the virus with masking and social distancing is a fool's errand, but it may have ironically enough killed off the flu.

    Or Covid-19 itself killed off the flu by stealing its natural niche, like so many other invasive species have done.

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  14. The normal seasonal vector from China has also been stopped or radically diminished. Unintended benefit of halting Free Trade?

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  15. If you look at the details of how our disease policy rolled out, there is the appearance of our deep state, the UN's WHO, and the Chinese functioning together to produce a fake crises. Probably not provable. And it is apparent that they are pushing fear. It sells copy and draws viewers so our media goes along easily.

    What makes this whole thing at least semi unbeatable is that lots of people aren't quantitative when it comes to risk. A chance of death, be it one in ten or one in a thousand, generates the same feeling of fear.

    And oh yeah. Currently the number of people who have died in the US is in line with an ordinary year. No actual increases in death have occurred during our alleged pandemic. Those who are old or in ill health anyway are well advised to avoid the covid-19. The rest of the reasonably healthy population, it is hardly worth the bother.

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    1. It seems pretty obvious this is a CCP-Who-DNC-Soros gaslighting op at this point.

      The videos where the hazmat guys immediately appear after someone drops dead in the street are a giveaway.

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  16. And if you are smart and up your D3 (Fouci is taking 6000 IUs a day) enough to get your blood serum level above 55 (ideally above 65 - mine is 77) you don't have to worry about it anyway. Haven't had a cold or the flu for 11 years now since I have been taking 10,000 IU a day minimum for that whole time period.

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  17. It is almost as if Beer Flu tardism is a Satanic religious cult than anything having to do with science or public health.

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  18. It wasn't a bad idea to err on the side of caution when the virulence of the disease was unknown.

    This is what I keep telling people. The initial measures around March made sense considering how little we knew. I was in favor of the lockdowns when they were supposed to last a few weeks to make sure the hospitals didn't get overwhelmed (though some aspects were stupid, like letting Walmart stay open while small businesses which have far less foot traffic were closed). Social distancing, sneeze guards at retail counters, regular hand-washing, and sanitizing surfaces all made sense.

    But around May, when the death numbers were already falling, it got retarded. Too many people realized they could benefit from continuing the crisis, whether they were trying to sell vaccines, sway the election, or just push around people of lower class. They convinced NPCs, without ever saying it outright, that if you wore a mask you could forget the other stuff like washing your hands and not picking your nose before you shake hands with people, and your kids could go back to school and you could have football again.

    In my county, we had almost zero cases from late April to late June. Then people in masks started living like normal except for the mask, discarding all the other measures like not picking your nose before you shake hands with people, and cases started back up, just as you'd expect if masks don't do much, which we knew. Very few deaths, but they ignore that and yell about cases all the time, to keep the crisis going.

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  19. Uh no they are just calling flu incidences covid. It didn't make sense to err on the side of caution. The numbers have been tweaked from the beginning and many of the early deaths were medical malpractice/murder.

    God calls you when he calls you. This is stated clearly in the bible. Not one day is added.

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  20. Dr Strain. Influenza expert, also knows a lot about tea.

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  21. Covid-19 like climate change is a brand. They will spout endless stupidity to protect it.

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  22. Wow, covid killed the flu? Is there anything it can't do? Well, besides kill people who aren't already half dead...

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  23. But the lockdowns, social distancing, and masks stopped the flu!

    Then why didn't they stop the China virus?

    Crickets...handwaving...Orange Man bad!

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  24. "There's no chance of mistaking one for the other – the fragment of viral genetic material from the coronavirus looks like a bit of spaghetti, while the flu genetic material we test for looks like eight pieces of penne pasta"

    It's been a long time since Bio 1 Class, and I'm not trying to Smart Boi, but wut? Why should strands of R/DNA look different between virus species? Perhaps by length? And what can be gained from looking at them?

    The PCR test either amplifies what you're targeting or it doesn't. That's the test they were using to determine covid all year. No one was "looking" at the shape of the DNA strands. That requires much more than a desktop microscope. Electron mic scans are expensive.

    I could be way off, if so my apologies to Dr. Groppelli, but I think she just wanted to shake off a reporter without addressing the sceptics assertions that the TESTS can't distinguish between cov and flu.


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  25. It's obvious at this point that the virus is a weapon of the left and nothing more. And because they opted to weaponize it. Must have stabbed them in the heart to see Trump beat it in a week and then take a podium telling us not to let the virus dominate us.
    Covid seems to me like a surrogate for gun control. They can't wave a bloody shirt after a windup toy OP and demand civilian disarmament, so instead they show a grandma and demand destruction of civilization. Ever and always all about wrecking everything "to protect the vulnerable". This has always been their modus: use guilt to make people destroy things. We see this when SJWs go into shark frenzies after a target apologizes.
    The best defense has been to mock their guilt trips and feel sorry for nothing nor apologize for anything.

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  26. The flu, kicked out of 109 countries.

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    1. The people responsible for this hoax needed to be charged with crimes against humanity the day before yesterday.

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    2. They should be but they won't. The only people who are being or will be charged are the people defying the people perpetuating this deadly hoax

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  28. Social distancing more careful hand sensitization and overall lockdown is killing the flu. I haven't been sick with anything for a year. Transmission rates are down.

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  29. dude's name is really "Dr. Strain" I can hear bb laughing about that in a stream already. The world is so funny today.

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  30. I know a lot of smart people still say "it was good to be cautious while it was still unknown".

    But in fact, the necessary data was all there back in March to indicate an eventual IFR of no more than .5%, and that it was being totally overblown.

    I did do the research and calculations in mid March as soon as I heard the possibilities of lockdowns - I was utterly horrified at the idea, and as such was highly motivated to determine if lockdowns were a proportionate response to the known data available at the time.

    Lockdowns were never a justifiably proportionate response, by a long shot, had one done the necessary research, and had the aptitude to crunch (and understand) the relevant numbers.

    It was gutting to watch the whole western world cut itself off at the knees, while - presumably - China (by March or April quietly enlightened to the fact Covid was not much to fuss over) looked on, marveling at the catastrophic self destruction of their enemies. Who needs actual physical warfare!?

    As predicted in March, the CDC has steadily dropped the estimated IFR (currently at .69%), as has the WHO who in their latest bulletin on the subject estimated .27%. (Influenza is estimated at .1%, although some other coronaviruses are estimated higher also).

    I wasn't the only one - I had the company of many much greater (and more qualified) minds - such as John Ioanidis who I believe predicted much the same (and started backing it up with actual studies) as early as late March early April.

    It was disheartening to see my favorite commenters for quite some time either buying the hype (including Stefan Molyneux) or at least seriously fence sitting (Milo, even Vox).

    But I realise not everyone has time to research everything, and I'm grateful to see all the greater minds seeing the light one by one over time, as the data becomes increasingly more obvious.

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    1. The Diamond Princess data told us everything we needed to know, especially because the population on it skewed towards higher risk elderly people.

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    2. Yes indeed, that was one of the key early pieces of data, although there were others.

      Basically, people got scared as a result of footage of "leaked" from China of people dying in the streets (which turned out to be fake - and as such happened nowhere else) and constantly repeated footage of over crowded ICUs in Northern Italy - which I knew run at 95% capacity every normal flu season.

      Too many smart people took the emotional and visual bait without digging the data.

      Its great people are changing their minds now. But I will remain outraged at the level of gullibility amongst people who should have known better back in March/April/May, forever, no doubt.

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  31. But the Prometheans have their Great Reset to pursue. Why would they allow this gift horse to bolt?

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  32. wondering if mask wearing and social distancing has had an effect at play here.
    it's the same kind of virus to one would assume that all the measures taken to reduce covid19 spread would also reduce flu spread as well.

    now for the reduced immunity to all kinds of coronaviruses and rhinoviruses we will have at the end of this, that's another story...

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  33. Yesterday a town near me(Eastern Europe) had a carnival, despite restrictions. We don't care anymore.

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  34. Other area where it gets confounded is to what extent some of the anti covid measures: masks, distancing and barriers in stores, more handwashing, possibly worked better for flu than for covid. Of course cost-benefit is another story, and peak northern hemisphere flu season hit yet.
    Shooting from the hip, seems no reason to think that covid is somehow displacing flu wrt host availability. No obvious reason one couldnt get hit with a double whammy at same time, which might be a reason to consider flu shot even if you normally avoid it.
    Another thought... Perhaps the large unknown mild exposure to covid has left people with amped up immune systems generally, making it harder for flu to get a foothold.

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    1. "which might be a reason to consider flu shot even if you normally avoid it"

      Just
      F
      O.

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  35. Cut the crap , we really had enough of this corona virus propaganda

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  36. Read an article yesterday on how all of these countries in Europe have no choice but to do more sever lockdowns due to rising doom floo cases.
    It's weird because I could have sworn Sweden was in Europe.

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  37. Clearly, cellular pathways for respiratory virus infection are similar between covid-19 and more typical flu. Since those pathways are currently occupied you can only have one or the other. Who would have guessed the Chinese super bug would be bound by the laws of physics?

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  38. I attribute the lack of seasonal flu to the lack of international travel. People aren't taking the new strains from China where it originates to the rest of the world.

    I wonder when the lockdown ends if there will be a double flu season, passing around the stuff that has been brewing for a year as well as the new variety.

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  39. Elderly Aunt, Texas, went in for flu, tested positive for flu. Was asked if she wanted a Covid-19 test as well, tested positive for that also. Her usual flu symptoms were worse, and she recovered quickly. At the testing centers, the concern is no mask, closer than 16 feet, exposure longer than 15 minutes, all combined. Took a few seconds, but recognized the test cases/standard for this criteria was likely restaurant study. With that criteria though, it’s over.

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  40. This may be a leap, but introducing a new virus would not stop the several regular flu types that happen yearly. So the lack of the regular flu makes me wonder if it was also a virus that was spread intentionally by some group, and they did not continue spreading it this year.

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    1. Swine and fowl are the natural reservoirs for flu. Since we raise both for food, contact between them and us is, for all intents and purposes, constant, especially in the animal husbandry sector of most every land on the planet.

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  41. I suspect the answer is that those who were most susceptible to Influenza have already died from SARS-CoV-2 ... so this year's Influenza will not take any near as many people.

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    1. Yes, re death rates. Lowest hanging fruit already taken. But not infection rates.

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  42. When they tot up all the children now living in cars because their parents lost their jobs to Boomer panic

    Also the suicides and deaths to cancer and other conditions because people couldn't get treatment or were afraid to. The other day when one of my co-workers starting talking about the "rising cases" I pointed out that we will never get a count of people who were killed by the lockdown itself.

    At the beginning, anyone with a brain understood it was a tradeoff: take an economic hit in exchange for making sure the hospitals could keep up. That's why it was supposed to be temporary, for a few weeks. If they'd told us they would be demanding masks and threatening more lockdowns seven months later, no one would have gone along.

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  43. The stupid on display from people who should know better by this point is astounding. MPAI and it appears to be insurmountable.

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  44. @38. I really wouldn't get a flu shot if I were you. Depending upon the manufacturer, the influenza (flu) vaccines contain varying levels of different ingredients, including adjuvants and preservatives.....and these can cause adverse reactions. These influenza (flu) vaccines might contain flu viruses, chicken egg proteins, genetically engineered dog kidney cells, genetically engineered caterpillar cells, antibiotics, formaldehyde, cetyltrimethylammonium bromide, polysorbate 80, gelatin, squalene oil, thimerosal (an ethylmercury-based preservative), and God knows what else. If you don't understand precisely how all the ingredients work individually and together in your flu vaccine (or any other vaccine, for that matter), then it would be extremely unwise to take it.

    What I'm saying is this:

    Do you really trust the men who control the vaccine industry now, when they're so obviously in favor of "population control"? I wouldn't.

    JUST WASH YOUR HANDS, take your vitamins, exercise, get proper sleep, manage your stress, and try to limit your exposure to environmental carcinogens. Doing this is not sexy, but it's drastically more effective than wearing a Satanic mask or getting a potentially toxic vaccine.

    P.S. Influenza vaccine injury and death claims are the leading types of claims submitted to the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP), and they're the second most frequently compensated.

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    1. Re flu claims, that is by far the most common vaccination given to anyone not a child, so unsurprising, in absolute numbers. However, number claims per 100k doses might be more relevant for assessing risk.

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  45. WuFlu belief is just another Leftist class marker, now, like climate change and BLM.
    It's part of their religious beliefs and rituals.
    (See today's other post.)

    Therefore, it is now beyond reason or
    debate- because Orange Man Bad, and Deplorables, and Science!

    It's also a handy social index of fear. When I see someone wearing an unforced mask, I know who's afraid, in an unreasonable way, especially given the data on WuFlu morbity, mortality, and the non-efficacy of masks in respiratory illness prevention.

    (I do enjoy the solo drivers wearing masks.)
    It's like the new white feather for cowardice.

    To be so afraid. How ridiculous.

    Ultimately, fearing death is like fearing sleep.

    "On the day you are fated to die,
    nothing will save you.
    On all the other days,
    nothing will kill you.
    Therefore, be at rest."

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  46. B wrote:You also have to factor in masses of people taking large doses of vitamin C and other supplements, such as zinc and vitamin D, to ward off Coronachan. That would also ward off colds and the regular flu. Why the "scientists" are so stumped about this, I don't know. It's not rocket science.
    There's no money in vitamins and minerals, so if you're a scientist, it pays to not notice that they work better than your quack cures.

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  47. VFM #7634 wrote:Or Covid-19 itself killed off the flu by stealing its natural niche, like so many other invasive species have done.
    If you're in bad health, flu would be a big threat to you in a normal year. This year, chinkypox killed off the people flu would have made ill, left the poor li'l flu bug with nobody who will get sick enough to go to the quack and get counted.

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  48. @40 Funny enough one of Bill Gates book recommendations is "How To Lie With Statistics". I bought the book and found a paragraph about how you should look at the death numbers instead of the case numbers since they are harder to fake.

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  49. Dan in Georgia wrote:A 98% drop in flu deaths at the same exact time the number of "COVID deaths" happens is too obvious to ignore.
    With every sniffle and every death being diagnosed as the chinkypox, this was obviously going to happen. I wouldn't rule out that many of the ``chinkypox deaths'' were flu, maybe with a side order of corona, just as many of them were auto accidents with the same side order.

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  50. PJW Gent wrote:Haven't had a cold or the flu for 11 years now since I have been taking 10,000 IU a day minimum for that whole time period.
    I can say the exact same thing, right down to the 11 years.

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  51. Newscaper312 wrote:Other area where it gets confounded is to what extent some of the anti covid measures: masks, distancing and barriers in stores, more handwashing, possibly worked better for flu than for covid.



    And that's exactly the reasoning that will be used to force people go thru this excercise every flu season from now to eternity. It will be demanded by all the Karen's of all the genders.

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    1. Hence my comment about cost-benefit.
      I do think a fairly large subset taking C and D more might be another factor, which would be the ideal one to push. Obscene that D3 in general and bug hoist I'm C and D if feeling suck isn't be shouted from the rooftops, when cheapest and least invasive thing.

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  52. These uSA stopped tracking influenza deaths back in April 2020.

    NCHS Mortality Surveillance Data
    Data as of April 9, 2020
    For the Week Ending April 4, 2020 (Week 14)
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/04102020/nchs-data.html

    ====

    Talking about how to obfuscate the numbers.

    Daily Updates of Totals by Week and State
    Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

    ====

    And you have to go to the middle of the page, comorbidities section, to find that "For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death."

    Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics
    Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

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  53. One of the most informative blogs on this has been Jon Rappoport's at - https://nomorefakenews.com/ - many of which I archived in DaLimbraw Library.
    Another is Bill Sardi, where he posted without comment the total deaths from all causes - unchanged!
    So, logic dictates that Covid has cured all illnesses, including auto accidents and various murders in our favorite cities.
    What a wonder of modern medicine, eh?

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  54. Damelon Brinn wrote:If they'd told us they would be demanding masks and threatening more lockdowns seven months later, no one would have gone along.
    Let's all stop going along NOW, since we can't stop any earlier. Be the change you want to see.
    Lazarus wrote:It will be demanded by all the Karen's of all the genders.
    Karen can go to hell.

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  55. I noticed this when looking at the CDC numbers. That 220,000 that gets tossed around is not COVID deaths. It's COVID, Influenza, and Pneumonia deaths. The thing is, when you limit it to all deaths involving influenza, (not exclusively influenza, just involving it), that number crashes to 6,745. That's so crazy low I convinced myself I wasn't understanding the data. But no, the flu is gone. We found the cure, and it's COVID.

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  56. It's hilarious watching the Left continually try to use COVID against Trump.

    But the GE was right about COVID from the beginning, as usual.

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  57. @43
    The California wildfire model.
    Interesting.

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  58. Let's all stop going along NOW, since we can't stop any earlier.

    Already have. It's interesting to look at who's getting it. I go to bars on weekends to shoot pool, and no one's wearing a mask. Local businesses like the butcher shop or mechanic, no one's wearing a mask. And as far as I can tell, no one in those social circles is getting the coof, or if they are, they're getting over it without enough sickness to get tested.

    But the kids wearing masks in school are getting it. Office workers who wear masks and check their temperature every day are getting it. Sometimes I wonder if they started pushing masks because we'd flattened the curve too well, and they wanted to get cases up. People staying home can't spread it, but people walking around adjusting their mask can.

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  59. On a brighter note if the Left/Establishment wants to delegitimize itself with the flu bug who am I to object in a 4GW manner.

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  60. It wasn't a bad idea to err on the side of caution when the virulence of the disease was unknown. But now we know, so there is no reason to continue being paranoid about it.

    If only governments could evolve their thinking like this. If only America weren't saturated with "think tanks" trying to find ways to politicize and weaponize everything to push their private agnendas.

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  61. It's been obvious for at least a few months that the chinkypox are not that big a deal. The powers that be just thought they had a way to scare everyone into sacrificing more control. Based on my admittedly limited sample size, it seems to have been pretty effective. I live in the land of the faceless at the moment.

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  62. If someone has the seasonal flu and dies from a heart attack the cause of death is the heart attack...this logic was turned upside down with Corona-chaN

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  63. Is it possible that the annual flu case counts have been inflated by 2 or 3? Is it possible that the annual flu mortality rate is actually between .025 and .04? Meaning that the current case count for Covid is close to the annual flu case rate and it's current .025 mortality rate is on the LOW end of the annual flu mortality rate?

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  64. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
    Table 1

    Total Deaths
    Deaths involving Pneumonia, Influenza, or COVID-19 (U07.1 or J09–J18.9)5
    337,721

    Total Deaths
    All Deaths involving COVID-19 (U07.1)1
    211,282

    My calculation is that
    Deaths involving Pneumonia, Influenza, excluding COVID-19
    126,439 (337,721 - 211,282)

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  65. If you point this out to a mindless masked zombie they will just say that the flu shot worked this year. Finally, after all of these years... the aluminum injections worked.

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  66. No one has ever asked if there is any correlation with positive cases and individuals having taken last year's flu vac. A flaw or contamination of the vac might explain everything, including all the lies.

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  67. There are a grand total of 655 deaths in my county from corona-chan this year so far. Sure sounds like typical flu to me.

    A virus that requires no action for 3+ months all of a sudden needing masks and distancing? We didn't know how serious it was? The first case in the USA was in Jan. in Seattle area but it takes 2 more months to spread across the country? Just after the dems told people to go out and live life in the Chyna new year's parades in SF and NYC?

    How long was the deadly virus running around Chyna before they CCP admits it? How many got sick and it was just a new flu variant that was more virulent than normal?

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  68. Is it possible that the annual flu case counts have been inflated by 2 or 3?

    I'd say likely, considering the obvious motive. They want people to get the flu vaccine so badly they give it out at grocery stores. Pretty soon they'll be offering it while you're in your car stopped at a light, like homeless guys offering to wash your windows.

    I would bet that they've been inflating flu numbers for years the same way they've inflated the COVID numbers: 85-year-old with heart disease and diabetes enters the hospital with the flu and doesn't leave = flu death. Now those are COVID deaths because funding and politics.

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  69. Anyone giving odds on a massive lockdown in key states for about 3 days starting Nov 1 ?

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  70. Tracy Coyle wrote:Is it possible that the annual flu case counts have been inflated by 2 or 3? Is it possible that the annual flu mortality rate is actually between .025 and .04?
    That is almost surely the case. As far as I know flu deaths aren't actually counted, they are modeled. The primary factor in the model seems to be how many ``flu deaths'' are required to keep the flu vaccine selling briskly.

    Ask yourself: how many people you actually know died of the flu? If you're a typical adult, you've been aware of causes of mortality for decades. You've probably known a couple of people who died, maybe a dozen or more if you knew some of your parents' friends. Did any of them die of flu?

    Ask your doctor the same question: how many of his patients have actually died of influenza?

    We can expect there will be a little under 3,000,000 deaths this year. Fewer than 10,000 of them were caused by the chinkypox. Odds are good that in a typical year far fewer than 10,000 deaths are caused by influenza.
    So yes, the chinkypox is more deadly than the flu.
    So no, neither one is particularly deadly.

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  71. Corona-chan victim list now includes the credibility of the media, the medical establishment, and generally, the left. Let it run its course.

    I almost wish I had the cbc so I could watch stern-faced trudeau and that stunned-looking chinese bitch in charge of the local brand of hoax. Must-ignore tv!

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  72. The initial measures around March made sense considering how little we knew.

    It's worth remembering also that the Democrats were 180 degrees out of phase with common sense. Back at the end of February, all we knew about the Kung Flu was:

    -it was related to SARS (which killed one out of 9 who caught it)
    -and MERS (1 out of 3)
    -may have escaped from a Chinese bioweapons lab
    -had an entire province of China locked down
    -death rates were spiraling in Iran and Italy

    At that point, when it looked like it could be a very serious problem, Democrats were calling TGE racist for wanting a travel ban on China and prominent Dem big-city mayors were telling people to go out and party.

    Fast forward to when the data tells us it's mostly elderly and sick people who are at risk, and that overall while it's worse than the flu, it's no where near the deadly pandemic it might have been, and Democrats are insisting everybody hide in their basement and wear a mask.

    Democrats are dangerous lunatics who are wrong about everything important.

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  73. It's worth remembering also that the Democrats were 180 degrees out of phase with common sense. Back at the end of February, all we knew about the Kung Flu was:

    It's like everyone's forgotten the first couple months of this thing, when Trump was trying to shut down travel and the Democrats, media, and CDC/WHO were saying it was no big deal and you should go hug a Chinaman to apologize for Trump's racism. I think Trump has taken the right position all along, being cautious at first and then relaxing as more facts came in.

    The numbers we had then were coming through the CDC/WHO, which I would trust about as far as I can throw their headquarters. We also had disturbing videos leaking out of China and bad things happening in Italy. It was pretty easy to see why the CDC/WHO *could* have been downplaying a serious pandemic for political reasons, to make the president look bad.

    It turns out they were right, although I still doubt they were right for the right reasons, considering how easily they flipped to wrong when the political motives changed, pushing panic and masks after spending the first few months telling us not to. I think they took the opposite position from Trump in the beginning and got lucky.

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  74. Summary of the 2017-2018 Influenza Season
    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2017-2018.htm

    (snip)

    When did the 2017-2018 flu season peak?

    During the 2017-2018 season, influenza-like-illness (ILI) activity began to increase in November, reaching an extended period of high activity during January and February nationally, and remained elevated through the end of March. ILI peaked at 7.5%, the highest percentage since the 2009 flu pandemic, which peaked at 7.7%. Influenza-like illness (ILI) was at or above the national baseline for 19 weeks, making the 2017-2018 season one of the longest in recent years.

    (snip)

    How many people died from flu during the 2017-2018 season?

    (snip)

    During the 2017-2018 season, the percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia and influenza (P&I) was at or above the epidemic threshold for 16 consecutive weeks. During the past five seasons, the average number of weeks this indicator was above threshold was 11 (range of 7 to 15 weeks). Nationally, mortality attributed to P&I exceeded 10.0% for four consecutive weeks, peaking at 10.8% during the week ending January 20, 2018.

    As it does for the numbers of flu cases, doctor’s visits and hospitalizations, CDC also estimates deaths in the United States using mathematical modeling. CDC estimates that from 2010-2011 to 2013-2014, influenza-associated deaths in the United States ranged from a low of 12,000 (during 2011-2012) to a high of 56,000 (during 2012-2013). Death certificate data and weekly influenza virus surveillance information was used to estimate how many flu-related deaths occurred among people whose underlying cause of death on their death certificate included respiratory or circulatory causes.

    (snip)

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  75. Fast forward to when the data tells us it's mostly elderly and sick people who are at risk, and that overall while it's worse than the flu, it's no where near the deadly pandemic it might have been, and Democrats are insisting everybody hide in their basement and wear a mask.

    With a reproduction rate of over four versus just above one for the flu, it's far more contagious, and therefore spreads around and kills people far more quickly than the flu does, but its intrinsic mortality is about typical for the flu, and in fact lower for younger people.

    It was its SPEED, not its intrinsic lethality, that made it appear so deadly in March and April.

    If you take your typical flu deaths during an entire year, and then cram them all into the space of two months -- that's what Covid-19 does. So since March, we've basically had about four years' worth of flu deaths.

    Speed, not lethality. It's also why lockdowns are so laughably ineffective against it -- they may have originally been concocted during bad flu seasons because they actually worked for them. But for Covid-19, lockdowns simply slow it down. They can't actually stop it unless you completely blow up the economy.

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  76. Put the mask over your nose, sir! The mouth alone is not enough, because...well because.

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  77. VFM #7634 wrote:With a reproduction rate of over four versus just above one for the flu, it's far more contagious, ...
    Is it really, though? On the Plague Princess, 80% never got infected, despite visiting epidemiologists saying that no one was taking adequate precautions against spreading the disease. On the aircraft carrier, only 50% got infected. Is it really very contagious?

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  78. But for Covid-19, lockdowns simply slow it down.

    Which is what they said back in March: you can't stop this without complete quarantine because of the long incubation period, so the goal is to slow it down enough that the hospitals aren't overwhelmed by a surge of critical cases.

    Then after that danger was past, they shifted to acting like we *could* stop it altogether, so that any new cases are a crisis to be blamed on someone, without ever saying the goal had changed or what the new goal is.

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  79. All this really does is expose how much BS and lies are in Medicine.
    I've never seen any data on the viral load required to tip over to risk of death so why would it not be possible that this is a bad flu season and we just happen to find covid in all of these cases. There isn't just one virus in a sneeze coming out.
    Same thing as that odd sound your car makes after getting it serviced and it must be something they did; or you finally noticed something that was there before.

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  80. It was pretty easy to see why the CDC/WHO *could* have been downplaying a serious pandemic for political reasons

    Back then, the WHO at least, and maybe the CDC, were covering for their CCP paymasters. China didn't want people blaming them for something bad. They've done similar stuff for the bad flu's that always come out of China.

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  81. I bet that the flu is still alive, but 'underground.' People are scared to go to the doctor.

    In other news, hypochondria is almost entirely cured as well.

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  82. Let's look at a few more numbers.

    Youtube … at 3:58 … Number of deaths from influenza and pneumonia in England and Whales are greater than deaths from COVID-19 since June 2020.

    Youtube … at 9:25 … The risk of death for school aged children in the last 5 years is 5-10x greater for influenza compared to COVID-19.

    Youtube …Dr. Simone Gold reported that out of 70,000+ reported cases of COVID-19 on universities there were only 3 hospitalizations and 0 deaths.

    Sweden which did not lock down and has no mask mandates has a lower death rate for COVID-19 than many countries and US states.

    The whole mask wearing and economic shutdown are a scam to destroy the US economy. And given the comparatively low risk factors for people under 30 years of age, shutting down schools and social gatherings makes no sense.

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  83. "Or Covid-19 itself killed off the flu by stealing its natural niche, like so many other invasive species have done."

    No, it's because it was always the same thing.

    As an example, I'll explain a bit of linguistic magic for you. Nearly all things are seen in one sense as parts of a single larger entity and in other senses not, or as composed of smaller entities or not. It is easy to list only the similarities or dissimilarities of things in order to alter the categories within which most people place them, whether it ought to be done or not.

    In the topical case, the common flu and colds that go around every year or so are mostly rhinovirus and coronavirus variants. In that sense, covid19 is nothing out of the ordinary.

    Also in the topical case, there is some evidence and much speculation that the given coronavirus has been genetically modified or otherwise "boosted" to be more dangerous, and this is what people use as the excuse to categorize it as "not the common cold". Experience, however, now shows us that it really is not so much more significantly severe than the annual viruses to merit more than perhaps a fraction of a hundredth the attention and response it has received. Attention shows us that this information has been available since the first week of it being in the USA, or even earlier.

    Properly categorized, covid19 IS this year's seasonal flu, howerver because certain parties are making filthy lucre, gorging their vanity, or abusively accruing power for which they seek not to be held responsible, this cannot be admitted, because it would stop all of the above flowing.

    The above doctors know perfectly well where the flu has magically gone, however because they are dishonest and benefiting somehow from the present scenario, they must claim that it is just magically gone, and that covid19 is something new and particularly horrendous.

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  84. "I know a lot of smart people still say "it was good to be cautious while it was still unknown".

    But in fact, the necessary data was all there back in March to indicate an eventual IFR of no more than .5%, and that it was being totally overblown."


    Yes, it's as I called it in late February. All the data was there, but not everyone can be expected to make a good call off the bat. The supposed experts on the other hand, by April, had no possible excuse remaining.

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