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Thursday, October 22, 2020

Which god is that?

 The Fake Pope declares that the unrepentant are "children of god". By which he apparently means children of his god, the god of this world:

Pope Francis has endorsed same-sex civil unions, saying in a documentary that homosexual people are 'children of God' and that they 'have the right to be in a family'. 

'Homosexual people have the right to be in a family. They are children of God. Nobody should be thrown out or be made miserable over it,' the 83-year-old said in one of his sit-down interviews for the film. 'What we have to have is a civil union law; that way they are legally covered.'

He added that he 'stood up for that' in an apparent reference to his time as archbishop of Buenos Aires when he opposed legislation to approve same sex marriages but supported some kind of legal protection for the rights of gay couples. The Pope's remarks will come as a shock to millions of Roman Catholics who have long followed the doctrine that gay relationships are sinful and accepted the Church's stand against the worldwide advance of gay rights. 

I'd feel a lot more sorry for Catholics if most Protestant churches weren't exactly in the same boat. The invasion and infestation of the leaderships of the Christian churches around the world is pretty close to complete. 

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Blogger Mirk Wood October 22, 2020 5:28 AM  

That's why we support The Kurgan!

Blogger Crunchy Cachalot October 22, 2020 5:36 AM  

He's certainly winning some praise from people who would never set foot in any church, much less a Catholic one, so he's got that going for him.

It was nice of Janet Filipovic to remind him that he hasn't bent over far enough yet.

Blogger 1100 October 22, 2020 5:40 AM  

The great falling away?

Blogger RealTalk103 October 22, 2020 5:53 AM  

He's the real Pope, the Holy Spirit won't allow him to make these evil statements, in those certain circumstances that we are protected through infallibility.
Peter denied Christ three times and lacked faith stepping on the water, and he saw the Christ living and breathing. Many others that have followed were huge screw ups as well.

Blogger Chip Hazard October 22, 2020 6:00 AM  

Officially no longer a Catholic.

I was nominal for awhile but never truly leaving it. I haven't left the Word.

Any information anyone could pass re: Holy Orthodoxy, it would be surely welcome.

Blogger Shane Bradman October 22, 2020 6:00 AM  

Archbishop Vigano believes that the un-Pope is trying to get his opponents within the clergy to name him as a heretic, so he can expel them and consolidate his power. Whatever his objectives, the un-Pope is an evil man and probably the most evil Pope there ever has been. If only he followed the footsteps of Pope JPI and got himself assassinated.

Blogger map October 22, 2020 6:04 AM  

Man, this meddlesome priest better hope that those Fatima Prophecies aren't true.

Don't these fools understand by now the real goals of progressive ideology? It is the destruction of competing bloodlines. Homosexuals who never marry women and have children...are extinct. Women on abortion runs and "careers" who never marry and have children...are extinct. Unsuccessful men who fail to secure women and children...are extinct. Grrrlll power chicks who gain weight, shave their heads, get tatted-up, get mean and project unattractiveness that never marry and have children...are extinct.

That is why the Bible refers to the "wages of sin" is death. It is not a bunch of school-marmish finger-pointing about being "unclean."

Blogger Unknown October 22, 2020 6:05 AM  

I grew up in a protestant church that at one time was very conservative. One of the many many sins was legalism, which at one time was living your life trying to obey all the commands in the bible so that you earned heaven, instead of trying to obey but mainly believing God and Christ and that they were your saviors/key to heaven.

Then in the 90s/00s, legalism became redefined as wondering why gay was not only okay but celebrated, and why it was great that not only were women pastors no-- but they could screw around on their spouses, and put the bible down and start lecturing that the real sins are not being green enough, and not being 1000% affirmative action.

That said, the pope's actions here seem ill advised. The churches who have already gone this way have shrunk, and the people who just want to go to a building and sing and listen to pop psych and platitudes can join the stage show mega churches in most larger metro areas.

Blogger Scuzzaman October 22, 2020 6:09 AM  

So many errors it's hard to count.

His implicit accusation that homosexuality is God's fault is noted.

Blogger Rowan October 22, 2020 6:20 AM  

r/Catholicism is of a mind that his remarks were taken out of context.

What context? It seems very clear to me that while he hedges at religious/Catholic homo marriage, Frankie sez it’s cool to be gay and not celibate and you deserve love and sexual satisfaction, too.

How long before pedos deserve it too? Whose children get sacrificed on that altar?

Believing in the power of prayer, as I do, many rosaries will be said. I will not break my faith, but I will not go along with this madness either.

We need a warrior Pope, and now. Cardinal Bergoglio is 83. I can only trust in God’s mysterious ways, and hope that, like Gollum, Bergoglio yet has a part to play in this story.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( you can't untuck the Cuck, but the real question is "Why were you trying to touch a Cuck like that?" ) October 22, 2020 6:20 AM  

"Hitler was a child of God and has a right to be in a family."

Blogger Dan in Georgia October 22, 2020 6:22 AM  

I can imagine that it HAS been worse, but I just can’t imagine HOW.

Blogger Jpc October 22, 2020 6:35 AM  

Could Frank be the last bishop of Rome?

Blogger Damelon Brinn October 22, 2020 6:38 AM  

"his time as archbishop of Buenos Aires when he opposed legislation to approve same sex marriages but supported some kind of legal protection for the rights of gay couples."

They can't say they didn't know what he was when they elected him, or that he's "grown in office." He was always a heretic and ineligible for the papacy.

Blogger steve brown October 22, 2020 6:39 AM  

Fr. Z's thoughts:
https://wdtprs.com/2020/10/francis-has-openly-called-for-civil-unions-for-homosexuals-wherein-fr-z-rants/

Blogger bramley say Enoch woz right October 22, 2020 6:39 AM  

Hmm, makes you wonder whether this pope has ever actually read the bible...

Also makes you wonder why Ratzinger quit, what was he being asked to do?

Blogger basementhomebrewer October 22, 2020 6:48 AM  

“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

When he is talking about the narrow gate he is not referring to the anus. From the same verse, do they think going along with the world is the difficult path?

Blogger bramley say Enoch woz right October 22, 2020 6:55 AM  

And how long before we see the headline 'The Pope smokes Dope'?

Blogger Gregory the Tall October 22, 2020 6:57 AM  

Even Satan technically started out as a child of God. But he lost the right to that title somewhere down the line - just like so many others.

Blogger Gregory the Tall October 22, 2020 7:05 AM  

Somewhat related: there is now a drone brand called "Nazgul". I found it through an ad from a company called "Banggood" that popped up on my computer.

Blogger Paulito October 22, 2020 7:10 AM  

Murderers are children of the Creator too. What we need is some sort of civil murderer protection. And lest you accuse me of exaggerating, note that both murder and homosexuality carry the exact same penalty in the Scripture.

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli October 22, 2020 7:11 AM  

The Russian, Serbian, Romanian, Georgian, Antiochian, Jerusalem, Japanese, Bulgarian, Belarussian, Ukrainian, and Latvian Orthodox Churches are solid. (I cannot speak to the Polish-Slovak or Estonian Churches.) Yes, you can find one or two prelates, even a bishop or two, with some ecumenical tendencies (ecumenism is a heresy), but that's about as far as it goes for false teachings.

Talk about accepting man-on-man analists, women 'preachers' or 'priests', or faggot-infested seminaries? Uh, negative. Never. Not a word. And yet Trad Cats and Prots will attempt to slander us by saying we have 'the same problems.' Not even CLOSE. I say this as an ex-prot and an ex-Romanist. I've walked, talked, and breathed the air in Prot-land and Rome, in parishes all over the world. There is no comparison in terms of scale or potency of the rot found in Prot and Roman parishes. In comparison, it is virtually nonexistent. The greatest threat is ecumenism, which is also an indirect way for some to then try an introduce liberalism and innovations that Protestantism and Romanism have fallen to.

Constantinople and the Greek Churches have been weakened substantially by their leadership (CIA and Turk funded and controlled), which is why the Russian (and Serbian?) Churches have taken the preliminary step of cutting off communion with them and banning concelebration with them. But many good, truly faithful and Orthodox laity, prelates, and bishops still exist even in the Greek Church.

Even with them, I can imagine only a few of those bishops and Bart doing or saying anything so bold. Prelates and laity would begin abandoning ship immediately and finding a bureaucratic home under a truly Orthodox patriarchate. It's not difficult, the parish and the prelates can decide.

Even the Church of Alexandria, whose head has decided to side with Bart, has received warnings from his own African prelates that he does not speak for them in his words or actions in siding with the heretic Bart.

I mean, even the non-Orthodox monophysites, who still cling to much of Holy Tradition, have the problems Western Christianity has.

Thank God for Holy Orthodoxy.

Blogger Honingbij October 22, 2020 7:17 AM  

So far, the Russian Orthodox Church is firmly holding the line.

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli October 22, 2020 7:19 AM  

Chip Hazard wrote:Any information anyone could pass re: Holy Orthodoxy, it would be surely welcome.

The website Journey to Orthodoxy has a lot of great conversion stories. From ex-Romanists, ex-Prots, ex-Mormons, ex-atheists, ex-Rastas, etc. Some of them are theology heavy, most are not so heavy with theology outside of a point or two which resonated with a person on their walk to Holy Orthodoxy. It's a nice mix of personal stories. And if you read a bunch, they pretty much hit ALL the questions that any ex-Prot or ex-Romanist would run into.

For someone thinking about leaving Rome, I would recommend the articles there by Michael Whelton and Paul de Ballester. You can also read their books.

Check out Father Josiah Trenham's video on JewTube about the Orthodox view of Roman Catholicism.

For a devastating and thoroughly historical critique of Papism, and confirmation of Orthodox collegial ecclesiology, you can find a free copy online of Abbe Guettee's "The Papacy." He had full access to primary documents in the Roman archives of Paris and France. A devout Roman priest, he began to write a history of the Church in France, and what he found shocked him. He eventually left Rome for Holy Orthodoxy.

Blogger xevious2030 October 22, 2020 7:20 AM  

“Benedict continued that equal marriage rights, alongside abortion and reproductive technologies were of the Antichrist.”

For contrast, by the immediate predecessor to the seat. The speed of overt change, once the rot is in. Benedict XVI, a religious similarity to Trump, but by one who was to tend for a remnant, and with far less prowess or obviousness in success of mission. Bergoglio, on the other hand, heartily plumbing the depths of the pit with no bottom. Conflict.

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli October 22, 2020 7:23 AM  

Tetro wrote:I mean, even the non-Orthodox monophysites, who still cling to much of Holy Tradition, have the problems Western Christianity has.



Edit: "... don't have the problems Western Christianity has."

Blogger Iskander Magnus October 22, 2020 7:24 AM  

How long till Pope Francis sets up a Pontifical Hirschfeld Institute at the Vatican, with Father James Martin SJ as Director?

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli October 22, 2020 7:25 AM  

Honingbij wrote:So far, the Russian Orthodox Church is firmly holding the line.

Yes, but I am not happy there was a Russian bishop at this ecumenical prayer service with Papa Francis. And a Romanian one too.

That's only two men in very large churches, but I hope this type of nonsense stops. They should be reprimanded.

Blogger Bernard Korzeniewicz October 22, 2020 7:26 AM  

Dear Orthodox brothers... The Patriarch of Rus has been visiting Antarctica a few years ago.
It does not change the fact that the faithfull Catholic priests and parishes in Poland are going an orthodox way - independence from Vatican.
BTW: Funny that Chrtistianity did quite OK when popes were living in St. Johns Basilica on Lateran. All problems started in the time of the reconstruction of St. Peter Basilica and a pope moving there.

Blogger Silent Draco October 22, 2020 7:28 AM  

Cain was a child of God and lived in a family. That also didn't end well.

Ecumenism - it always become the lowest common denominator desired by the world.

Blogger JC October 22, 2020 7:29 AM  

This may sound flippant but if I have to die in a Holy Rain of Fire to end this then so be it.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 22, 2020 7:30 AM  

Francis isn't a Catholic, even if he "identifies" as such in the same way Bruce Jenner identifies as a man. He's not really the Pope, even if he usurped the office.

Novus Ordo Watch
Why Eastern Orthodoxy is Not the True Religion: A Brief Overview

Blogger RedJack October 22, 2020 7:33 AM  

Already had a few Catholics say.
1. This is just one man's opinion
2. It isn't a big deal, since it is not a church marriage
3. You are still going to hell for not following the Pope

Meanwhile at least one local Catholic school is in shambles as a few teachers just came out with gay partners.

Old Frankie better like heat.

Blogger Yossarian October 22, 2020 7:33 AM  

"The invasion and infestation of the leaderships of the Christian churches around the world is pretty close to complete."

You want a Christian Church you've got one.
It's the same one that's been around for over 2000 years and wrote the Bible. At this point it's just willful ignorance not accepting the truth. By their fruits you shall know them and if it's not the Orthodox Church, it's obviously not a Christian church.

Blogger Servant October 22, 2020 7:34 AM  

It's all very simple. Many of you have come to accept home school or die. At the basis of this is perhaps some recognition that you can't hire a shepherd. It's silly. The center and foundation of spiritual instruction in the family is the father. First institute that in your lives. Fellowship with actual Christians follows from instituting a proper chain of command.

Orthodoxy!=orthopraxy. This is the weirdest fetishism. You want to go from burying saints in your yard to licking pictures of em. No graven or molten images must mean it is ok to have drawn images.

Blogger Zaklog the Great October 22, 2020 7:34 AM  

You know, "Is the Pope Catholic?" was supposed to be an ironic joke. Now . . . sigh. I haven't had much of a will to in a while, but I don't see how serious Catholics can even attempt to defend this man anymore. We've had bad popes before, but they've generally been bad in their personal behavior, leaving church doctrine alone. This man is a catastrophe.

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli October 22, 2020 7:41 AM  

Most of the Korean parishes are under Constantinople, so this will have to be resolved, either from above or below, but their laity are faithful and I know at least a few of their prelates are based and very conservative. No nonsense.

I once heard one rightly mocking a bunch of Romanist monks for walking around in civilian clothes like slobs. They were coming to visit him. He scolded them.

The same priest, the very first time I met him, was busy upbraiding a very young Russian man for talking to girls at church. "You want to talk to girls here at the church, you come to ME and you ask ME if you can talk to these girls. This is MY church. You want to be like the Protestants and like everyone outside the Church? Then you can go outside and you go talk to anyone you want, like they do."

I felt bad for the poor kid. But I LOVED it. So refreshing to see and hear.

Of his own materialist, hyper-capitalist nation, "There is no Love here. They have no Love."

Blogger Oswald October 22, 2020 7:42 AM  

He certainly is living up to the charge he is the Apostate Pope. At 83, it seems unlikely he will be the last Pope. Still one can only wonder what his next shocking move will be. It will probably be something to do with Transgender people. Maybe an announcement that they were born that way and of course they are God's children and deserve to be in a family.

They say slippery slope arguments are fallacies, but to ignore them is stupid. One can easily see where this is going, and it ultimately leads straight to hell.

Blogger jijijeac October 22, 2020 7:45 AM  

most large churches are globalist-progressive hotspots which barely tolerate the bible to appease to older worshipers. people in the leadership of these churches are are left-wing and progressive as they come. time to abandon all churches that have this type of infestation and more to less indoctrinated independent churches

Blogger Northodoxy October 22, 2020 7:46 AM  

Chip, check this out. https://orthodoxethos.com/

Father Peter Heers, an American convert to Orthodoxy has created courses based on Father Seraphim Rose's Orthodox Survival Course. He is one of a very few speaking the actual truth. Many of our Orthodox bishops around the world, especially here in Canada and the US have fallen away kneeling and praying with BLM etc.

Good luck and God bless you all.

Blogger Mr. Buford October 22, 2020 7:46 AM  

So, I guess this means it’s now ok for the Lavender Mafia to come out and fully converge the Church into Unitarianism? Also, I assume it is only a matter of time until priests can now get married (man or woman) or shack up with whomever they wish?

Blogger Claudio October 22, 2020 7:50 AM  

The Catholic Church has had such good popes over the last couple of hundred years that when a bad one comes along, it’s truly mesmerizing.

A bad pope emboldens anti-Catholics like Vox and are truly an embarrassment to the only Church Christ founded. But God often chooses flawed individuals in his plans and I, as a daily church-gore, can already see the reaction to Pope Francis’ boneheaded gaffes... though I’m starting to think he’s very well aware of what he’s doing.

Freaking Jesuits!

Blogger Scuzzaman October 22, 2020 7:56 AM  

Can I recommend to you:

No creed but the Bible.

Blogger urthshu October 22, 2020 8:08 AM  

>Pope Francis’ boneheaded gaffes...

In other news, Pope Francis is expected to issue a new encyclical entitled YOLO

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli October 22, 2020 8:11 AM  

Northodoxy wrote:Chip, check this out. https://orthodoxethos.com/

Father Peter Heers, an American convert to Orthodoxy has created courses based on Father Seraphim Rose's Orthodox Survival Course.


I second this motion.

One of the few life-changing books I've ever read is Father Seraphim Rose's "Nihilism." Not for gammas nor for those unacquainted with the major religious, political, or philosophical, existential movements and revolutions of modern Western history. Anyone under 30 who is not well-read and decently fluent in these areas will be pretty much lost. I would not recommend women of any age even try.

Now, I read this nearing 40 years of age, having already spent 23 years reading economics, politics, and history on an every day basis. Nothing in the book in particular was new or a revelation (in the secular sense), but rather Fr. Rose explains it all in such a manner, he rearranges everything is such a way, as I had never seen or understood before. And it makes perfect sense. He puts everything in its proper place. All within the Light of Revelation and the Truth of the God-Man Christ and His Church.

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli October 22, 2020 8:14 AM  

Silent Draco wrote:Ecumenism - it always become the lowest common denominator desired by the world.

Kinda like multiculturalism.

Blogger robomuff October 22, 2020 8:50 AM  

I'm in the proccess of converting to Eastern Orthodox (OCA). It's been wild learning about all of the traditional views of the church and just how far away it is from Roman Catholicism and Protestants. Plenty of Orthodox groups on telegram if you want to learn more.

Blogger Billy October 22, 2020 8:56 AM  

Fake Pope: More like The Father, The Son and the Holy Squirt! Amiright guys!?

Blogger Damelon Brinn October 22, 2020 8:57 AM  

r/Catholicism is of a mind that his remarks were taken out of context.

He's done this same dance many times. He does an interview, frequently with a Jewish friend, and says something blatantly heretical. The Vatican II clingers say it's a lie or that he was taken out of context. You can't prove he said it, so they can stick to that position. But he never comes out and denies it, either. So he gets the effect of having said it--everyone now knows the "pope" supports homosexual civil unions--without the responsibility of having said it. And the Catholics who are desperate not to be lumped in with the weirdo sedes can cling to that, calling him papa while ignoring his teachings, which isn't Catholic at all.

Of course, letting people think you're teaching heresy, when you could easily correct the record, is just as bad as teaching it outright. But that's too subtle for people who don't really believe in sin anymore.

Blogger Honingbij October 22, 2020 9:03 AM  

@28 Tetro:
I'm in full agreement with you.

Blogger d October 22, 2020 9:18 AM  

How to Conquer CandyCons


1. Point to something you claim to want, but reject entirely.
2. Declare your rejection of it to be evidence of its wrong.
3. Demand it be transmuted into whatever satiates your momentary whims.

Blogger Wyndie October 22, 2020 9:21 AM  

Try a Missouri Synod or North American Lutheran Church.

Blogger The Masked Menace October 22, 2020 9:22 AM  

Oh man, it's horrible over here bros. It's really bad. However we're not going anywhere. We're staying and we're going to fight these Judas Priests every freaking step of the way. We're going to make it really hard for them. God bless all of you and may He strengthen all of us.

Blogger Ingemar October 22, 2020 9:24 AM  

Already I have been shamed by do-gooder Catholics for pointing out Heresiarch Jorge is a heretic. It's really amazing (and monstrous) the mental gymnastics NuCatholics will go through to defend Fwancis.

For FagJesuits it's total gamma behavior (I'm a good boy because I agREEEEEEEEEEE!). For those clinging to some kind of Trad cred, it's abused-spouse behavior.

Blogger Ceirwyn October 22, 2020 9:25 AM  

This is where we have to go back to basics in scripture, and the encouraging sign is many seem to be doing just that. Frank Viola has an entire series of books trying to work out removing detritus that has been added to the idea of what God considers church vs what religion thinks it is. His entire first book is looking at what we do and where it actually came from then throwing out anything that isn't backed up by scripture: church buildings, hired staff, pulpits, etc. It's pretty damning about the current state of what is considered normal in Christianity, and frequently contrasts descriptions from scripture of what the early church was like.

Then there's the whole 501C3 Incorporated status that no church ever should have, as even the IRS will tell you churches are NOT an entity recognized by the government. So no one should be listing theirs as a charity organization. There are some DIRE consequences for doing that.

Blogger Scuzzaman October 22, 2020 9:27 AM  

Tetro wrote:Silent Draco wrote:Ecumenism - it always become the lowest common denominator desired by the world.

Kinda like multiculturalism.


That's a very good point. That's exactly what it is.

Ecumenism is religious multi-culturalism. Just ignore our differences and pretend we can live (worship) together because if we don't acknowledge our differences then they don't exist. The same magic thinking we see in politics when it comes to differences between cultures (which, as we know, are not unrelated to religions).

Blogger Aeroschmidt October 22, 2020 9:36 AM  

@Scuzzaman that would be a creed other than the Bible.

Blogger The Masked Menace October 22, 2020 9:38 AM  

@42
Oh it's way past "bad" bro. A word like "demonic" comes to mind. A Pope who merely frequented prostitutes would be an improvement.

Blogger Gettimothy October 22, 2020 9:57 AM  

Scuzzaman wrote:Can I recommend to you:

No creed but the Bible.


The Bible was codified ~300AD. Prior to that, the Christians, presumably, had creeds, worship, a church...What was that about? How did the peoples, closest in time to Jesus think and worship?

Investigating that, I found


Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi, Lex Vivendi


Based on that, and the self refuting fact that Sola Scriputura is a creed nowhere found in Scripture, I cannot accept the rejection of Tradition.


Blogger Chip Hazard October 22, 2020 10:01 AM  

@11

Gandhi was a child of God and must be admitted to Heaven.

Blogger Chip Hazard October 22, 2020 10:08 AM  

@22

Thank you, Tetro. I was looking into a local Armenian Church, which is Eastern Rite. I am wholly ignorant of the practical aspects.

Not a huge fan of the calendar, it's really jarring, especially after decades of the Roman Liturgy. But this ain't cafeteria Catholicism, am I right?

Blogger Shane Bradman October 22, 2020 10:11 AM  

If Kurgan was right and Francis is not a legitimate Pope, it would be easy to fix this by calling him mean names until he slinks away, but he is a legitimate Pope which makes it an extremely hard situation. He's the worst legitimate Pope ever, and many of the illegitimate Popes were better Christian leaders.
Bergoglio must be removed from the Church because he is not serving God. It is not us, the Orthodox, that should leave the Catholic Church, but these pederast imposters that promote sodomy. The Church belongs to us, not to Satan.

Blogger The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey October 22, 2020 10:12 AM  

Which god is that? Gods, plural, actually. I identify two false of Secular Progressivism that are driving the boat here. The first one is the Zeus of Secular Progressivism, Progress. The second the terrible and vengeful god, History. I'm quite sure that their got Science is lurking in the wings and will be trotted out before to long on a divan.

All pretense is put aside now, the matter is settled, the debate is over. Pope Francis is a heretic pope. Here he substituted the false gods of Secular Progressivism to guide his social policy, not Scripture, not the Catholic Magisterium that he is charged with defending and preserving.

Many will say and already have that the pope is not speaking ex cathedra here, nor in encyclical form nor in any formal written decree. True, but nobody is fooled. We've all seen this movie before. Once you introduce the false gods of Secular Progressivism into the mix and grant them currency, once their tenets and mythos achieve footing on par with traditional or Christian thought, the inexorable logic leads to the upending and usurpation of all previous doctrines.

How can this be a surprise when this is their stated mission, openly said with hosannas? Secular Progressivism is at open war against traditional cultures everywhere, Christianity, social taboo, in short life in all the forms that life has been lived on this planet everywhere for eons. They pave the way for their own messianic savior whom they believe will immanently appear, Social Justice, the King of Kings.

Yeah, what the pope has done with this hat tip is to warrant attacks and to weaken the Catholic Magisterium. This is not only a betrayal of his fundamental purpose, but it's done in the service of these false and evil gods.

He's a heretic.

Blogger Avalanche October 22, 2020 10:14 AM  

@11 "Hitler was a child of God and has a right to be in a family."

"Charles Martel was a child of God and has a right to be in a family."

If one is defending one's people against a clear enemy, does not your statement depend on WHERE you are standing?

Blogger Chip Hazard October 22, 2020 10:19 AM  

@40

Thank you, brother.

I've been drifting towards Orthodoxy for quite a while. I am reluctant to leave my Church, for many reasons.

However, It isn't my first introduction.

My nanny (when I was a real little kid), was a Tlingit Indian who was a member of the Russian Orthodox Church.
The iconography was both comforting and frightening to a four year old, especially when surrounded by the cultural trappings of the Tlingit tribe.

Blogger xevious2030 October 22, 2020 10:19 AM  

“You want to talk to girls [...], you come to ME and you ask ME if you can talk to these girls”

Undoing this has been one of the worst things. The farce, law, has been implemented to attempt to delegitimize the rule, by a father, of the family. In the case of Rome, it has substituted a whore to the prince of this world.

Blogger Maniac October 22, 2020 10:20 AM  

The False Prophet spoken of in Revelations will be a Pope. That much is obvious by now.

Blogger Servant October 22, 2020 10:22 AM  

Those aren't the priest's girls either. This is usurpation of the father's authority. It might be well intentioned, but there we go.

Blogger Didas Kalos October 22, 2020 10:26 AM  

@realtalk103. Ridiculous. Peter wasnt even a Christian when he denied Christ. All popes are fake popes.

Blogger Jose Miguel October 22, 2020 10:28 AM  

@35 Servant

No graven or molten images must mean it is ok to have drawn images.

Why did God order the Hebrews in the same book a few chapters later to have images in the Tabernacle, both woven and cast? Does God contradict himself in your view?

@32 VFM #7634

Orthodoxy bears good fruit, ergo it's the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil to tempt away the faithful. I must admit I've never heard that argument before, Novus Ordo Watch is a pro contortionist.

Blogger Barbarossa October 22, 2020 10:33 AM  

I was at some parish gathering about a year after Francis became Pope. For some reason we were asked what we thought of the new Bishop of Rome. Most of it was the usual gushing churchian nonsense. When they got to me, I said, "He is evil incarnate, and the church will rue the day they allowed this worldly creature into its highest office." Well. You would have thought I had strangled a puppy the way they reacted, but this isn't that hard to understand. If the general culture is tossing hosannas at the leader of your church, it ain't because of his unshakable faith in God.

Blogger LES October 22, 2020 10:46 AM  

1 Corinthians 5:12 "For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside?"

We can't expect unbelievers to have the same moral standards as Christ followers.
Yet, we are to hold up Biblical morality as the ideal. Even when we fall short we are not hypocrites because we still believe the ideal is true.

Society used to accept Christian morality as the ideal standard even if many people were not committed believers. And so the problem with democracy is when morality is confused with the law and is decided by a majority of 50% plus 1.

The world may abandon Christian morality but Christians and Christian leaders must not.

Blogger Chip Hazard October 22, 2020 10:49 AM  

@33

Average Catholics, by and large, are morons. St. Thomas Aquinas? Who's that? Summa Theologica? WUT

IMHO they haven't a clue. They haven't been tested in real life and Catholic education is fractured since the 1980's, also converged with lay Communist-Socialist teachers and the Nuns' own versions of 'their truth' [insert Scott Baio - Nicole Eggert reference here].

Once you get into the island Catholics or Latin America, you get even a more dumbed-down, watered-down version of the faith if not out-and-out paganized version.

I was taught by the Dominicans in grade school and the Franciscans as a teen, so I have a pretty broad Catholic education, furthered by my father (a 3rd Order Dominican)and supplemented by my own reading.

The Pope is supposed to be infallible on Faith and Morals according to Catholic tradition and law.

In this instance, either the Pope is WRONG, or he ain't the Pope.

Blogger MarioM October 22, 2020 10:50 AM  

No worries about the Catholic Church. Popes come and go and the one true Church will survive.

Blogger Hank Archer October 22, 2020 10:52 AM  

I'm catholic and Catholics are instructed to avoid those things and activities which might lead one into sin. Would "civil unions" be a perfect example of an occasion of sin?

Blogger W Molders October 22, 2020 10:53 AM  

I have heard that Pope Francis is very shrewd. His statements in the past show him to be a political globalist. I believe this statement and its timing is a deliberate push to demoralize Catholics and Christians, particularly ahead of the US election. As Vox has noted about the polls, they are about demoralization. Part of the call of the Church is to be the army of Christ, and we are to attack evil. It seems that this current pope is using his office of leadership to demoralize the church because it is very demoralizing when leadership goes astray.

Blogger Up from the pond October 22, 2020 11:28 AM  

"Hitler was a child of God and has a right to be in a family."

The one thing no pope would ever say.

Which shows us where the wafer is loxxed.

Blogger Azimus October 22, 2020 11:34 AM  

The lie is that they couldn't have been in a "family" in the first place as far as legal protections. They could've paid a lawyer to draw up contracts that would've provided the precise legal protections and benefits that a marriage provides, WITHOUT foisting the lifestyle onto the public - joint property, guardianship of children, last will and testament, etc, insurance beneficiary, etc - it just wouldn't have been called "marriage."

Because it wasn't. And it still isn't.

Blogger MJ October 22, 2020 11:38 AM  

Family is a biological concept, not a political one. A man, a woman, and their children is a family. Two men living together isn't a family, it's roommates.

Blogger Christopher John October 22, 2020 11:49 AM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:r/Catholicism is of a mind that his remarks were taken out of context.

He's done this same dance many times. He does an interview, frequently with a Jewish friend, and says something blatantly heretical. The Vatican II clingers say it's a lie or that he was taken out of context. You can't prove he said it, so they can stick to that position. But he never comes out and denies it, either. So he gets the effect of having said it--everyone now knows the "pope" supports homosexual civil unions--without the responsibility of having said it. And the Catholics who are desperate not to be lumped in with the weirdo sedes can cling to that, calling him papa while ignoring his teachings, which isn't Catholic at all.

Of course, letting people think you're teaching heresy, when you could easily correct the record, is just as bad as teaching it outright. But that's too subtle for people who don't really believe in sin anymore.


He's done I believe 10 interviews now with Eugenio Scalfari, the 96 year old Marxist/atheist editor of La Repubblica who relies only on memory to recall his interviews (no notes, not recordings). In each interview, Mr. Bergoglio has promoted some heresy or another. He's never directly refuted or corrected anything Scalfari has written (his staff has "clarified" things), nor has he ever refused Scalfari future interviews or even reprimanded the man for misquoting him.

It's blatant, in-your-face gaslighting, like everything else he does. Unfortunately, rank and file Catholics, even so-called "conservatives" (I despise the word more with each passing day), are falling for it and tying themselves in knots to make excuses for an obvious antipope.

Traditionalists see right through him, and understand what having him on the chair means in terms of where we are on the timeline. That's why those churches are packed, while the Novus Ordo antichurches are barren and insolvent. It's only a matter of time before Jorge comes after the traditionalists and drives the true Church underground.

Blogger NedFlinders October 22, 2020 11:52 AM  

I guess the jewish media is only telling the truth when it gives folks a reason to bitch about the pope and erode faith in the Alpha-Christian Church.

It certainly seems to chum the waters for the gamma protestants.

Blogger Enjcj October 22, 2020 12:14 PM  

Oh Ann (Barnhardt), your thoughts are ever relevant.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( you can't untuck the Cuck, but the real question is "Why were you trying to touch a Cuck like that?" ) October 22, 2020 12:20 PM  

64. Avalanche October 22, 2020 10:14 AM
If one is defending one's people against a clear enemy


you think Hitler was Christian leader "defending" his people?

i'm not sure you understand that i'm lampooning Francis' statement. i don't particularly care whether it makes any logical sense whatsoever, the logical failures COME FROM FRANCIS.

Blogger Gen. Kong October 22, 2020 12:30 PM  

"Hitler was a child of God and has a right to be in a family."

Pol Pot too. Lenin, Stalin and Mao all had wives (the latter two multiples) but they be all God's chillen too. What a trainwreck.

Blogger Anonymous White Male October 22, 2020 12:34 PM  

This is why I can't take practicing Catholics seriously. Don't get me wrong, I find Catholics to be well-meaning, usually educated, and often as strong or stronger on family and abortion related issues. But, Pope Frannie Poo is obviously satanic. Many Catholics view him as apostate, but even those don't connect the dots as to the historical evil actions of the papacy. I mean, what do you expect from an institution that is, first and foremost, a political and financial entity? There will be those Catholics that excuse his sacrilegious actions with a, "Well, it's not an ex-Cathedra pronouncement, so it can't be taken as infallible", but that only allows themselves to ignore the fallacy that is a man claiming to speak for God. I know the Messiah told Peter he was his rock that he would build his church on, and whatever he bound on earth would be bound in heaven. I just don't see in the Bible where he said, "Oh, yeah...the guy that follows you will be the recipient of your essence until I return, so mindlessly obey them"".

Blogger Servant October 22, 2020 1:31 PM  

@jose miguel

Please explain how God commanding the casting of certain artifacts for the temple to (many believe) more closely resemble the heavenly throne room equates with the casting of false idols. Please explain how those two things are the same.

Now please explain where in my statement I implied that any statue at all is wrong. Or this is big, read it slowly, and realize I was calling out orthodox hypocrisy. They believe the statues of Jesus are a violation of a commandment, yet a picture of Jesus you kiss is fine. Their focus on the method of fabrication of the object of worship as opposed to the very clear prohibition of the worship of objects is but one example of how wrong headed it is to cling to silly fetishes rather than first reclaim the responsibility of teaching the word to your family. The institution, no matter the flavor, never fails to miss the mark.

Blogger Chip Hazard October 22, 2020 2:20 PM  

What also gives me pause is that the Post must, MUST, consult with the College of Cardinals. Did even *one* enter in a minority report? Or did they just roll over? Or did they all agree and the Pope ignored it? Or did he go off the reservation half-cocked?

It will not be known if so for several generations if there were any minority reports.

I submit there were a few who did so, but as in Sodom, there's got to be even ten men worthy of not blasting the city to atoms, right?

In the end Sodom was atomized though, and a broad was turned to a pillar of salt.

Blogger Chip Hazard October 22, 2020 2:26 PM  

in light of all this, a few sayings come to mind today:

"He is a good man, but until all men are like him, we must keep our swords bright."

"In GOD we trust, all others pay cash."

"Praise the LORD and pass the ammunition."

Blogger Jean Durtal October 22, 2020 2:28 PM  

Of course the gamma-sperg, Orthobro Neo-Protestants like Jay "The Liar" Dyer are having a field day with this. Complete trash, those people.

As someone who has actually lived in orthodox countries, their ridiculous LARPing at being "Orthodox" would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic. Orthodoxy is inextricably linked to the cultures in which it is practiced. They are essentially national churches. Makes about as much sense as a Chinaman converting to High-Church Anglicanism. There's a reason Orthodox have never been big into converting those outside their home countries.

This is really very simple. Bergoglio is an open and notorious heretic. In other words, he is NOT CATHOLIC. A true Pope is a microcosm of the Church, and the representative of Christ and the TRUTH on Earth. Therefore a NON-CATHOLIC, in other words a LIAR, cannot be the representative of Christ on earth and a microcosm of the Church.

As to whether "Sedevacantism" is true, or there is another true Pope out there that we are unaware of is immaterial to this situation. You don't need to know the exact reason for a problem or the solution to see that there is a problem.

Blogger Br1cht October 22, 2020 2:42 PM  

Yossarian wrote:You want a Christian Church you've got one.

Yes, I have come to believe that as well and will go there this weekend.

Blogger Valar Addemmis October 22, 2020 3:41 PM  

Chip Hazard wrote:What also gives me pause is that the Post must, MUST, consult with the College of Cardinals. Did even *one* enter in a minority report? Or did they just roll over? Or did they all agree and the Pope ignored it? Or did he go off the reservation half-cocked?



The Pope came back with a response and said he was talking about not kicking kids who identify as homosexual out of your house/family. Weirdly, the media wasn't interested in that part and did not amplify it. That makes some of the "civil union" verbiage problematic, but I won't try to interpret how they interpreted his words in Italian and whether it correlates to how the term is used in the US or if he was referring to the union of a family taking care of its children.

Blogger widlast washere October 22, 2020 3:53 PM  

Bergoglio is an anti-pope, an arch heretic. Hopefully Hell will come get their own before he does much more harm.

Blogger Dicky Willy October 22, 2020 4:16 PM  

This is shared from a friend's post:
"Pope Francis' exact words: "Las personas homosexuales tienen derecho a estar en la familia, son hijos de Dios, tienen derecho a una familia. No se puede echar de la familia a nadie, ni hacer la vida imposible por eso. Lo que tenemos hacer es una ley de Convivencia civil."
Literal translation. "Homosexual persons have a right to be in a family. They are children of God, they have a right to a family. You can't throw anyone out of the family, nor make life impossible for that. What we need to create is a law of civil coexistence."
The word "Convivencia" is important here; it literally means "living together", but that I know of, is not used to refer to civil unions. That would be "Unión civil" which he did not say.
"Convivencia" has connotations, particulary in european Latin countries such as Italy and Spain, meaning to live peacefully with people with whom you strongly disagree, especially in a religious context. It was used with the Moors in Spain for example.
Given the context of his words immediately preceding the statement, it seems, and I don't know this for certain, but it seems, that His Holiness was talking specifically about laws to protect people from being ostracized and disowned by their families and communities. Not endorsing civil unions in the sense of a legally recognized romantic partnership.
We should all take *everything* the media says with a grain of salt, and regardless of what other issues we may have with The Pope, we should be very careful of how harshly we criticize and accuse him. We should also, in all cases, remember to pray for him."
I thought it worth having this here for the record. We all know the media is an enemy, we all know that Catholics don't run the media. And I do regret the ambiguities of our Pope. But there have been a few instances where the media have misrepresented what he has said. I hope a strong clarification comes from the Vatican soon.

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel October 22, 2020 4:36 PM  

@85

"This is why I can't take practicing Catholics seriously. Don't get me wrong,"

It might come as a surprise to you, but we don't care what you think.

On the contrary, I don't take YOU seriously.

I found out about this yesterday when two Protestant friends called me. One, a nominal Lutheran, the other an active AoG member.

They didn't spike the ball or gloat, if for no other reason than our (former) workplace is located close to a Lutheran Church where the sign identifying the church and its pastor is adorned with a rainbow and "Black Lives Matter". We are all aware of the cancer that afflicts most of what is left of Christianity.

They understood that this pronouncement was a tragedy for ALL Christians. They also understood it is largely irrelevant, because it is not a matter of faith or morals and as a practical matter, it will be ignored. It's not an issue. Other than Islamic countries, pseudonogamy is the law of the land.






Blogger Doom October 22, 2020 4:44 PM  

I appreciate the sentiment, and reciprocate. However, I am not worried about them. In a certain way. I worry about the souls of the righteous, that they aren't swayed by the evil that surrounds them. Look to God in the darkness, not into the darkness. I pray these elites, in so many areas... not just religious if most egregiously there... find a way to turn around their own lives, as Trump seems to be doing, but take that on into their roles as leaders.

I don't worry about them tainting the faithful. They can't. They can cause us problems, and they can lead the next generations astray as they have tried with us, but... that was a given when we chose to allow the unworldly to govern, and we chose to surrender even to our lives for our Lord. Sad to see them hellbound, but that doesn't confront me none. Salvation isn't communal. And their loss is theirs alone. Amen.

Blogger Jose Miguel October 22, 2020 5:06 PM  

@86 Servant

Please explain how God commanding the casting of certain artifacts for the temple to (many believe) more closely resemble the heavenly throne room equates with the casting of false idols.

Contrast that with your 1st claim:
No graven or molten images must mean it is ok to have drawn images.

Do you hold to no graven images under any circumstance? Then God's commands of not just images but statues of angels would be problematic.

2nd Never have I heard any Orthodox Father give that statement to support icons. Even statuary can be fine if it matches its prototype and follows the tradition of iconography.

You are actually closer to the truth than I expected from your line "equates with the casting of false idols." Making icons of those who've completed the race and run it well aren't idols, nor are they false, but rather part of the great cloud of witnesses St. Paul refers to in Hebrews who cheer us on as we run that same race. It's in the same category as The Israelites making images/statues of the heavenly hosts in the Tabernacle/Temple.

very clear prohibition of the worship of objects
The Orthodox Tradition affirms this, through all time. λατρεία is God's alone.

Blogger Jose Miguel October 22, 2020 5:21 PM  

@89 Jean Durtal

Orthodoxy is inextricably linked to the cultures in which it is practiced.

Yes, I want Orthodoxy to transform my own culture, and have mine bonded to the Faith in the same way. It's almost as if the Orthodox Faith baptizes the culture with the people.

There's a reason Orthodox have never been big into converting those outside their home countries.

Demonstrably false throughout time. The largest Antiochian parish in the world is in Brazil with 100,000 baptized. Orthodoxy is growing as fast as Islam in Italy, and Antioch sent missionaries all over Latin America, with Mexico and Guatemala being the most fruitful. Alexandria has brought in a million in Kenya in a decade. The Korean Orthodox Church is also booming.

Historically, the event that sparked the Filioque controversy was when missionaries from Rome and Constantinople in Bulgaria realized they were preaching conflicting theology. With Rome cutting off the West, and Islam cutting off the East and South, Orthodoxy brought in the Slavs to the north. Rome, irked that Orthodox missionaries in Finland were having more success than theirs, blessed crusades to take Finland. Not bad for Orthodoxy given their situation. They catechized the Russians far better and consistently than the RC did with the New World natives.

Blogger Chip Hazard October 22, 2020 5:24 PM  

@91 and 93:

I anticipated these factors. I understand the dangers from within and from without the Church, and understand the legalese that the Holy See employs.

The Media spins shit their way. That being the case, we are all acutely aware of the pedophile problem in the Church which has been going on for some time in the modern era. The Church has covered for them, as they have invested time, effort and money in their studies and education and can't deplete their rolls faster than they can fill them.

This type of purge would lead to decreased presence, which translates to money, influence, and dare I say 'power', as the Church is not only a spiritual entity but also a temporal and political one.

I'm not attempting to defuse the moral part of it, I'm only pointing those real aspects (of course it was Sam Kineson who noted that the Popemobile was "...a real statement: we know God protects the Holy Father, but just in case!").

In any event, Francis needs to step up and clarify those statements for the faithful and say, NO, that's not what I said, and make a pronouncement. But he won't, it's not in his global interest to do so. The College of Cardinals should do something about his heretical ass.

Either way, it doesn't matter to me. It can't possibly be the right church with abortion and pedophilia and all this faggot Socialist stuff going on right under our noses and they did NOTHING. Marching doesn't make a damm bit of difference if you don't leverage the numbers.

They didn't excommunicate Nancy Pelosi et al when they should have done so and still won't do it. You want to be a political power, then swing it like a club. It seems to be all money and bullshit and I'm so incensed I can barely see straight.

Blogger Chip Hazard October 22, 2020 5:32 PM  

And as far as expelling sinful members of your families, Christ himself said to DO IT. The LORD came here to set families against each other when sin is ivolved.

You CAN expel sinful members of your families until they get right with God. You have a DUTY to do it. When they repent, you can and should allow them back into the fold but NOT until then.

I have personally ejected people from my life who have stated they have had had abortions. GONE. Get away from me, you are evil and evil is contagious.

Basically, we can follow Christ, or we can follow each other. The first is an orderly attack against sin and evil. The second is a shambles of a rearguard action; chaos and more sin, and the wages of sin is death.

Blogger Cinco October 22, 2020 5:34 PM  

How long until it comes out that this pope bangs dudes, or did in the past?

Blogger RandyJJ October 22, 2020 5:56 PM  

Demonstrably false throughout time. The largest Antiochian parish in the world is in Brazil with 100,000 baptized. Orthodoxy is growing as fast as Islam in Italy, and Antioch sent missionaries all over Latin America, with Mexico and Guatemala being the most fruitful. Alexandria has brought in a million in Kenya in a decade. The Korean Orthodox Church is also booming.
So... they're converting people who are already Christian?

Kenya is almost 50% protestant, with Romans having 23% and "other forms of Christianity" being a whopping 11.9% of the population.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/religious-beliefs-in-kenya.html

Blogger Dorvannnn October 22, 2020 6:11 PM  

According to some interpretations of Saint Malachy's Prophecy of the Popes, the current Pope will be the last one before Rome and the Church is destroyed.

This just gives more evidence supporting that view.

Blogger Servant October 22, 2020 7:21 PM  

@jose miguel
We return to orthodoxy!=orthopraxy.

I won't get too deep into the nitty gritty of what constitutes an act of worship. This is not eating meat on Fridays stuff probably, from your point of view. You seem of sound mind about it honestly. I will state that the current church does not recognize the primacy of the father in the family (God-Father-Mother-Children), and so is an abomination. Where the Greek Orthodox stands on this might very well be sound. I don't know I don't care. I've come to recognize institution and organization as the enemy, and what I see most frequently in these people looking for a church to fix them is they have abrogated all their authority and refuse to take it up again. It is too easy for these people to fetishize based pastors/priests who get wrong headed and think it's ok for them to give permission to a young man to talk to someone else's daughter.

Blogger Jose Miguel October 22, 2020 7:32 PM  

@101 RandyJJ

So... they're converting people who are already Christian?

Some yes, from syncretic versions of Christianity mostly. Others are from tribes that were still animist. If you have the fullness of truth, and you see Apollo preaching a limited version of it, is it wrong to better inform Apollo so that he has the fullness of the faith?

Blogger liberranter October 22, 2020 7:37 PM  

I'd feel a lot more sorry for Catholics if most Protestant churches weren't exactly in the same boat. The invasion and infestation of the leaderships of the Christian churches around the world is pretty close to complete.

BINGO

Blogger Shane Bradman October 22, 2020 8:04 PM  

@94. Yes, I'm in a similar position. There are several churches in my suburb. A mild and boring, but not Satanic, Catholic Church, a flamboyantly gay Anglican church, a blatantly un-Christian Methodist "church" that denies the historicity of Christ, and a Baptist church which is never open and probably a tax fraud scheme. Being criticised by gay flag waving Anglicans about how the Pope is evil, which he is, is a confusing experience. We welcome the criticisms from the Eastern churches about the lack of orthodoxy, because they're completely correct. What we don't welcome is uncharitable attacks that aim to tear down all that is good to remove the evil. We can remove evil without throwing the Baby Jesus out with the bathwater.

Blogger John Rockwell October 22, 2020 8:04 PM  

You know compared to the Roman Catholic Church. Orthodoxy suffered far more.

Byzantium fell to the Turks.
And the Orthodox in Russia were forced under the Mongol Yoke after having much of its population massacred or carried off into slavery

Likewise Georgia was ravaged by Tamerlane in the same manner.

And the Orthodox in Anatolia were subject to Pogroms and massacres themselves too.

Blogger Shane Bradman October 22, 2020 8:07 PM  

@89. Jean, the Pope, if he can be considered Catholic, is one of the least Catholic Catholics around. And unfortunately he is the Pope. Running away from this reality like the Sedevacantists do doesn't help anything, because a bad man is still the Pope, and still leading hundreds of millions into hell. Stuffing our fingers in our ears and letting that happen would be unconscionable. We need to kick them out of the church and redeem it, not run away and let them take it further and further away from God's light.

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli October 22, 2020 8:10 PM  

Chip Hazard wrote:Get away from me, you are evil and evil is contagious.

I agree that this is the correct path with some. So many people these days do not recognize their sins and/or worldview as the cause of their relationship issues, their mental issues, or the problems of our nation, and they need to be told by someone and told that they have lost their relationship with you because of it.

Sometimes this is ok. Because for many of them it will be the first time in their lives they've ever heard that from someone.

Blogger John Rockwell October 22, 2020 8:10 PM  

@Jose Miguel

"Why did God order the Hebrews in the same book a few chapters later to have images in the Tabernacle, both woven and cast? Does God contradict himself in your view?"

That is true. Although it can be argued that none of them were ever used for veneration themselves. They were in the background or around God as a form of Ambience.

To show that the Temple and the Tabernacle is a type of Eden where when God manifested himself Paradise results.

Just as Eden itself is a holy temple and garden of delight. Full of various blessings. Pleasing to the eyes a work of delight by God. The perfection of beauty that will come once again when God returns in Jesus Christ.

Whilst the veneration and worship is still directed towards the Glory of God which manifested between the Cherubim.

A terrible and wonderful Majesty.

Blogger Chip Hazard October 22, 2020 8:23 PM  

Tetro,

I can't tell you how many women I've met who claimed they had an abortion. Four out of Five in the 90's.

I told them, sorry, I can't talk to you. "That's shocking. I have to go." In the middle of dates. They went crazy, but more in a clingy sort of way. I told them, you don't get to have someone like me. Phones rang off the hook. I almost vomited. I refused to engage.

Even to this day, I tell these people, get away from me, very vocally and very loud. You're right, they've never had someone speak to them this way. Therein lies the problem.

We must shame evil. Some good may come of it. As for me, I can't forgive, I can't forget. It's monstrous and they should know better, even if they weren't taught.

Blogger Chill Penguin October 22, 2020 8:46 PM  

@93 9I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
do you really think it's merciful to tell kids who were molested that they were born gay, God loves them as gays, and they should get gaymarried? The mercy of metrosexuals is cruel.
Metrosexuals, men who are deeply concerned with their appearance, hold meetings at work about what to rename the master branch to, and fornicate with any loose woman they find, justify themselves by arguing that you're a puritan feminist closet case and they're an alpha male. In order to make that argument, they have to uphold the homosexual/heterosexual dichotomy.
Licentiousness is not mercy or charity, Jesus is mercy and charity.

Blogger Chill Penguin October 22, 2020 8:54 PM  

@106 the qualifications to be a pastor are listed in 1 Tim 3 and Titus 1. Sounds like your area needs someone to stand up and preach.

Blogger Jean Durtal October 22, 2020 9:47 PM  

Jose Miguel wrote:@89 Jean Durtal

Orthodoxy is inextricably linked to the cultures in which it is practiced.

Yes, I want Orthodoxy to transform my own culture, and have mine bonded to the Faith in the same way. It's almost as if the Orthodox Faith baptizes the culture with the people.



I'm talking about the other way round, obviously. Orthodox religious practices, aesthetics, and beliefs are heavily influenced by the cultures they originated within because they have been corrupted by their arrogant severance from the True Church. In the same way that National Protestant beliefs are a product of their respective countries.

Jose Miguel wrote:@89

There's a reason Orthodox have never been big into converting those outside their home countries.

Demonstrably false throughout time. The largest Antiochian parish in the world is in Brazil with 100,000 baptized. Orthodoxy is growing as fast as Islam in Italy, and Antioch sent missionaries all over Latin America, with Mexico and Guatemala being the most fruitful. Alexandria has brought in a million in Kenya in a decade. The Korean Orthodox Church is also booming.



This is a recent trend largely brought on by the Neo-Protestant "Orthodox" of your ilk. Protestantism is obviously spiritually bankrupt so people have moved on to Orthodoxy as they want a "based" religion, but can't stomach having to submit to the hated Pope.

Russia was a huge power for Orthodoxy starting in the 18th century, controlled one of the largest empires in the world, and did fuck-all to convert anyone outside of their ethnic group, especially compared to the massive missionary efforts of the Catholics.

Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira October 23, 2020 1:15 AM  

I anathematise Jorge Bergoglio.

Blogger NedFlinders October 23, 2020 2:26 AM  

Faithful Catholics are learning that when you're the alpha big dog that there is never any shortage of gammas around to bite your ankles.

As the Chinese convert said:
"Haters gonna hate. Pray-ers gonna pray."

Blogger Karen took the Kids October 23, 2020 3:17 AM  

Sede vacante

Blogger Ranger October 23, 2020 4:08 AM  

And during that time most of Orthodox nations were under the Ottoman yoke, and Russia mostly focused on that (though there were missionaries as far as Alaska; not many ethnic Russians there). When they were about to free the Orthodox, a Catholic-Protestant-Muslim alliance was forged to stop them, a crusade, according to the Catholic Archbishop of Paris.
But then, the Crusades ALWAYS were mostly directed against the Orthodox for daring to defy the Pope.

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli October 23, 2020 5:52 AM  

Chip Hazard wrote:We must shame evil.

I agree we should be shaming many types of evil more often. I would say 'publicly' but I am not sure that does much good when it's not even done privately.

Case in point: What are fat girls doing when they think they can date? What alternate universe do they live in to say: I am capable of and worthy of man-attraction and sexual attention? From this Chad.

It's because no one has regularly told them, privately, that first things come first. She needs to lose weight and learn self-control first, and accept some healthy and normal standards of beauty, the rules of the dating and marriage game, the sexual marketplace, and her realistic position in it. Her father and mother failed her, and her other male family members did as well.

I once told a liberal family member "you don't know what the hell you're talking about, you're an idiot when you talk about religion, politics, or economics." Profuse tears and cries of victimhood.

I had realized that no one in her ENTIRE LIFE had ever told her this. That she was NOT smart or knowledgable about certain things.

This is what feminism has wrought.

I got told to leave the house by the 'man' of the house. Who then backtracked because he didn't want to upset his children. Not because of whether it was the right thing to do or not. I understand that this question hardly ever arises in the minds and hearts of liberals, the question of some standard of truth. Especially when they're fighting.

Blogger papabear October 23, 2020 6:35 AM  

Chip Hazard: what info would you like?

Blogger RedJack October 23, 2020 7:27 AM  

Very interesting. I have noticed in some of my wife's coworkers that the ones who are pro infanticide are the ones who killed their children.

One of her friends had a bastard child, but then came to God for repentance. She is very prolife.

Blogger Br1cht October 23, 2020 10:10 AM  

I, a mid-wit Cuckistani farmer can see how this subject neatly feeds the easily led into the the false binary spiral, Whataboutisms and other coping mechanisms that the Prometheans so very effectively have programmed you go to.

If the Head Wizard is a sodomite it still doesn´t wash away the Protestants Churchians betrayal and debasement of their Church and nothing you say will make it so why behaving like little Talmudic scholars?

The right reaction would be to identify the Promethean filth wherever it´s foul lizzard beak shows itself and joining with other good Christians, no matter what "team" you favor.

Vox shows to the way here, listen.

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli October 23, 2020 11:57 AM  

Chip Hazard wrote:I can't tell you how many women I've met who claimed they had an abortion. Four out of Five in the 90's.

Hard for me to believe. But I believe it.

Blogger Beloved October 23, 2020 12:27 PM  

I've met our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ face to face. He told me that the KJV is perfect and the version of the bible he wanted me to recommend to people.

Sola Scriptura may not be in the Bible, but it's what led me to meeting the author IRL.

Blogger Brian Dean October 23, 2020 9:15 PM  

@45
"Father Seraphim Rose's "Nihilism.""

A quote from that piece of work
"The unreflective scientific specialist sees no need for any other kind of knowledge; occupied with the demands of his specialty, he has, perhaps, neither time nor inclination for "abstract" questions that inquire, for example, into the basic presuppositions of that specialty. If he is pressed, or if his mind spontaneously turns to such questions, the most obvious explanation is usually sufficient to satisfy his curiosity: all truth is empirical, all truth is relative."

If Fr. Seraphim Rose were to get a rare disease and he is REFLECTIVE of the experience, he would learn the following:

Fr. Seraphim Rose needs the "specialist scientist" for his existence. The "specialist scientist" doesn't need him.

Blogger NedFlinders October 23, 2020 11:46 PM  

@124 "Fr. Seraphim Rose needs the "specialist scientist" for his existence. The "specialist scientist" doesn't need him."

Nope. The Fr. might need the specialist to remain on this mortal coil but not to save his existence. Men of orderly spirit close to God do not fear death. Death is the conundrum of the godless atheist.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 24, 2020 12:32 AM  

Strangely enough, the Specialist Scientist does need Fr. Seraphim, or at least the knowledge and message of salvation that Fr. Seraphim is trying to impart, well, not to continue his existence, but to continue it in anything other than regret and incredible suffering.

Blogger Brian Dean October 24, 2020 2:53 AM  

@126
"The Fr. might need the specialist to remain on this mortal coil but not to save his existence. "

He needs the specialist in order to create his book "Nihilism" so that others can read it. He needs the specialists who came up with the PDF format, the specialist that came up with the TCP/IP protocol, the specialist that came up with efficient ways of producing paper, the specialist who came up with efficient ways of farming so that we would only need 2% of the population to farm in order to produce the food we need (otherwise, Fr. Seraphim Rose would be too busy working the field). If these "specialist scientists" didn't exist, then Fr. Seraphim Rose and his book "Nihilism" wouldn't exist.

However, if Fr. Seraphim Rose didn't exist, all of these specialist scientists would still exist.

So, Fr. Seraphim Rose needs the specialist scientists (for me to have even heard of him, let alone read his book). The specialist scientists don't need him.

Blogger Brian Dean October 24, 2020 2:56 AM  

@127
"or at least the knowledge and message of salvation that Fr. Seraphim is trying to impart"

Funny, those specialist scientists seem to do just fine doing science and the majority of them have probably never heard of Fr. Seraphim Rose.

How about I go to the science department of any university and tell them that the students need to read Fr. Seraphim Rose's "Nihilism" if they are to become successful scientists? What do you think the department head is going to say?

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli October 24, 2020 6:48 AM  

I warned those without sufficient intellectual maturity and education NOT to jump into Father Rose's 'Nihilism.'

It is obvious Brian Dean did not heed this warning. Painfully obvious.

Many such cases.

Brian Dean, you have no clue what he's talking about. It is way over your head. You have failed to recognize the context in which he is writing, which is to say, the ENTIRE THESIS of the book. Yes, you have missed the ENTIRE POINT of his book. Making your smart-boy comments abjectly laughable.

Blogger Bezzle October 25, 2020 6:24 AM  

The job of the Kremlin's pope is to poison all faiths not under its thumb (i.e., Russian eastern orthodoxy).

Blogger Daniel October 25, 2020 3:19 PM  

Argebtinian here. Imagine 90% of congress and president office run by people like him. We are screwed.

Blogger Akulkis October 25, 2020 7:29 PM  

@ Brian Dean


>> Fr. Seraphim Rose needs the "specialist scientist" for his existence. The "specialist scientist" doesn't need him.



I'm a computer engineer, and you're an idiot.

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