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Sunday, November 15, 2020

A history of the Spanish Inquisition

Or, a reminder that inquisitions are not merely an effective answer, they are inevitable if the West decides to survive:

A critical question arises in light of the recent spate of fatal terror attacks in France and other European nations: How do you once and for all eradicate “extremism” from Muslim communities living in the West?

Western leaders usually respond by citing anything and everything from new “initiatives” meant to foster closer relations between Muslim communities and their host nations, to surveillance measures of hot spots and mosques.

Lamentably, history has already proven that even much more draconian measures against Islam—of the sort that modern Western man cannot even conceive let along implement—are doomed to failure.  

Consider the historical experiences of France’s neighbor, Spain.  In the eighth century, Muslims from Africa invaded and brutally conquered the Iberian Peninsula.  Christians were massacred and subjugated; churches were destroyed and/or converted to mosques.  By the late fifteenth century, however—after centuries of wars to liberate Spain from Islam (AKA, the Reconquista)—Christian rule finally extended to every corner of the peninsula.

Muslims, however, remained, mostly centered in Granada.  Originally, they were given lenient terms: Muslims could continue practicing their religion, enforce sharia in their own communities, and even travel freely.

Even so, whenever the opportunity arose, Muslims rebelled and launched many hard-to-quell uprisings, some “involving the stoning, dismembering, beheading, impaling, and burning alive of Christians.”  Muslims also regularly colluded with foreign Muslim powers (e.g., North Africans, Ottoman Turks) in an effort to subvert Spain back to Islam.

Fed up with this “enemy within,” the Spanish crown finally decreed in 1501 that all Muslims had two choices: convert to Christianity or leave Spain. The motivation was less religious and more political; it was less about making Muslims “good Christians” and more about making them “good citizens.” So long as they remained Muslim—thereby operating under the highly divisive doctrine of “loyalty and enmity”—they would remain hostile and disloyal to Christian Spain; and because secularism, atheism, multiculturalism, or just general “wokeness,” were not options then, the only practical way Muslims could slough off their tribalism and be loyal to a Christian kingdom was by embracing its faith.

Spain’s entire Muslim population—hundreds of thousands of Muslims—responded by openly embracing Christianity while remaining crypto-Muslims, in keeping with the Muslim doctrine of taqiyya.  It teaches that, whenever Muslims find themselves under infidel authority, they may say and do almost anything—denounce Muhammad, receive baptism and communion, venerate the cross—as long as their hearts remain true to Islam.  So, in public, these newly converted “Christians” went to church and baptized their children; at home, they recited the Koran, preached undying hate for the infidel, and plotted how to destroy Christian Spain.

That these “Moriscos”—that is, self-professed Muslim converts to Christianity who were still “Moorish,” or Islamic, as they came to be known—went to great lengths to foist their deception cannot be doubted, as explained by one historian:

For a Morisco to pass as a good Christian took more than a simple statement to that effect. It required a sustained performance involving hundreds of individual statements and actions of different types, many of which might have little to do with expressions of belief or ritual per se. Dissimulation [taqiyya] was an institutionalized practice in Morisco communities that involved regular patterns of behaviour passed on from one generation to the next.

Despite this elaborate masquerade, Christians increasingly caught on: “With the permission and license that their accursed sect accorded them,” a frustrated Spaniard remarked, “they could feign any religion outwardly and without sinning, as long as they kept their hearts nevertheless devoted to their false impostor of a prophet. We saw so many of them who died while worshipping the Cross and speaking well of our Catholic Religion yet who were inwardly excellent Muslims.”

Christians initially tried to reason with the Moriscos; they reminded them how they became Muslim in the first place: “Your ancestor was a Christian, although he made himself a Muslim” to avoid persecution or elevate his social status; so now “you also must become a Christian.” When that failed, Korans were confiscated and burned; then Arabic, the language of Islam, was banned. When that too failed, more extreme measures were taken; it reached the point that a Morisco could “not even possess a pocketknife for eating with that did not have a rounded point, lest he savage a Christian with it.”

A Muslim chronicler summarizes these times: “Such of the Muslims as still remained in Andalus, although Christians in appearance, were not so in their hearts; for they worshipped Allah in secret. . . . The Christians watched over them with the greatest vigilance, and many were discovered and burnt.”

Such are the origins of the Spanish Inquisition (which, contrary to popular belief, targeted more Muslims than Jews). For no matter how much the Moriscos “might present the appearance of a most peaceful submission,” a nineteenth century historian wrote, “they remained nevertheless fundamental Musulmans, watching for a favourable opportunity and patiently awaiting the hour of revenge, promised by their prophecies.”

Note that the Spanish Inquisition also had a considerably lower body count than the current program of European tolerance. In its 353-year history, the Spanish Inquisition was responsible for a grand total of 3,230 deaths, which on an annual basis is less than the number of French citizens who have been murdered by Muslims in 2020 alone.

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61 Comments:

Blogger Brett baker November 15, 2020 5:37 AM  

But muh anti-Semitism!

Blogger Unknown November 15, 2020 5:42 AM  

muslim religion is backwards desert paganism, where dogs are seen as unholy, men kiss a fallen rock set on a vagina shaped frame, women produce sperm apparently and allah declared himself to be the greatest deceiver.
whites need to lose a lot of iq points to embrace such a religion on mass.

Blogger Bernard Korzeniewicz November 15, 2020 6:10 AM  

Sounds like Izrael.
In VI century AD the Izrael was 95% Christian (like Egypt). Than Muslim came.
Now former Jews turned Christian turned Moslem are ready to die for Allah.

Blogger God Emperor Memes November 15, 2020 6:39 AM  

Eradicating extremism from Muslim communities is childishly simple, for those with the will to do so.

Blogger Philippe November 15, 2020 6:46 AM  

What I read in this article is the failure for Europeans to understand (back then already) that the conflict is not only spiritual, but also racial. This is clear when I look the state of Southern Spain. I have a hard time believing the typical man of Malaga today was once a Conquistador back in the day.

The rule should have been, and still is: someone doesn't look European and doesn't act as a Christian - - > OUT.

Blogger The Observer November 15, 2020 6:55 AM  

But but but the Black Legend! And popular media! And Monty Python! Dear sir, I was reliably informed that the Spanish Inquisition burned millions of witches, and scientists were suppressed! Science!

Blogger Doom November 15, 2020 6:57 AM  

I'll bet, with almost no effort, we could very well increase those numbers. I'd bet we could get triple that in a year, per nation, with almost no effort. But... not just in Europe. The only way to that would be start with traitorous politicians though.

As Vlad taught, start with your own so that the message precedes the requirement of more force. A kindness to our foreign enemies, one might say. Too bad he couldn't get at the elite traitors, his very brothers. But, for his sacrifice, he did change the dynamic to this day.

Burning, staking, heck... crucifixions, all on the table. The more severe, the fewer required before even muslims get the point. See what I did there?

Blogger JC November 15, 2020 6:58 AM  

Honestly, far more tolerant than our current leaders.

At least the Catholics were honest and direct about what they wanted.

Blogger Pathfinderlight November 15, 2020 7:21 AM  

Part of why the inquisition has such a negative stereotype today is English propaganda regarding the practice, including a horrificly inflated body count.

Blogger Critias November 15, 2020 7:32 AM  

"353-year history, the Spanish Inquisition was responsible for a grand total of 3,230 deaths"

Where does that figure come from? I'm reading the 1884 Catholic dictionary and it says Llorente, secretary of the Tribunal in Madrid, wrote the official history of the Inquisition in the 18th century. He stats that 30,000 people were put to death. There are some caveats to that number as it's from his own calculations and not documents and includes other heretical sentences.

Blogger LoneWolf November 15, 2020 7:34 AM  

"Such are the origins of the Spanish Inquisition (which, contrary to popular belief, targeted more Muslims than Jews)."

Yes, but the latter have always been able to dupe the former into carrying the baggage. Who was it that opened the gates of Granada to the Muslim invaders in the first place?

Blogger VD November 15, 2020 7:53 AM  

Where does that figure come from?

The actual historical records. Look up the 783-page report published in 2004 by Agostino Borromeo of Sapienza University.

Blogger VD November 15, 2020 7:55 AM  

Another source is historian Henry Kamen.

We can in all probability accept the estimate, made on the basis of available documentation, that a maximum of three thousand persons may have suffered death during the entire history of the tribunal.

Blogger Canadian Warlord November 15, 2020 7:57 AM  

"Thus, when a rumor arose in 1568 that the Ottoman Turks had finally arrived, Spain’s crypto-Muslim fifth column, “believing that the days under Christian rule were over, went berserk. Priests all over the countryside were attacked, mutilated, or murdered; some were burned alive; one was sewed inside a pig and barbequed; the pretty Christian girls were assiduously raped, some sent off to join the harems of Moroccan and Algerian potentates.”"

There's a second gear that this anti-civilizational behaviour has. We haven't seen that yet. This is merely the Muslims who can't restrain themselves, can't hold on and wait for the cavalry - or the ships.

Blogger Stilicho November 15, 2020 7:58 AM  

Let's start with the crypto-globos who pretend to be on our side.

Blogger Critias November 15, 2020 8:06 AM  

"The actual historical records. Look up the 783-page report published in 2004 by Agostino Borromeo of Sapienza University."

Thank you for those two sources.

Blogger brbrophy November 15, 2020 8:07 AM  

The inquisition and crusades were justified

Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira November 15, 2020 8:13 AM  

"Lamentably, history has already proven that even much more draconian measures against Islam—of the sort that modern Western man cannot even conceive let along implement—are doomed to failure."

Cannot conceive let alone implement? Doomed to failure? Who is this guy kidding! Many of us are willing, able, and studying up.

Blogger Salt November 15, 2020 8:15 AM  

A leftist/Progressive made this comment elsewhere in response to a Trump supporter -

"That's YOUR America and we want NONE OF IT"

It isn't Muslims in the US.

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli November 15, 2020 8:22 AM  

Radio Albion has a great show about The Inquisition. It was 1000 times more humane and just than anything leftists or Muslims have instituted once in power.

And let's not forget (((them))). They were part and parcel to the Morisco betrayal of Christian Spain. Our people and our leaders showed great tolerance, and then showed great Justice and Love for one's neighbor and for the innocent by kicking out the ALL the fake Christians and all the Jews and Muslims. The former for their treachery and lies, the latter because they were clearly supporting the former and undermining Christian law, morality, and society.

Blogger Opus November 15, 2020 8:24 AM  

It will (should) of course be remembered that if not after 1536 but certainly after 1588 Spain was England's primary enemy. Spain though I forget exactly when also controlled The Netherlands that is to say just the other side of the channel from us. Portugal (Spain's nearest neighbour) remains our oldest ally. Being on the wrong side of Spain was as if one would now deliberately choose to fall-out with the United States. Fortunately God was on our side and Spain has not troubled us since their attempted and disastrous (for them) invasion attempt. Spain was Roman Catholic, England (non Roman) Catholic and thus apparently Protestant hence the enmity - Henry's first wife whom he divorced coming from Aragon.

Still it all worked out splendidly for us and South America and its gold already being taken we in search of turkey colonised Massachusettes. You know the rest.

God bless the great Francisco Franco, may his memory never dim.

Blogger Jose Miguel November 15, 2020 8:37 AM  

@5 Phillipe

the conflict is not only spiritual, but also racial. This is clear when I look the state of Southern Spain. I have a hard time believing the typical man of Malaga today was once a Conquistador back in the day.

Your statement is ignorant at best. Many Conquistadores came from Andalucia, they were the ones who created cowboy culture on both sides
of the Rio Grande. Spain is and was a Mediterranean culture. The concept of Europe as we know it is a more modern phenomena.

One central problem with Spain is their desire to be European instead of Hispano. That's why there are more flamenco studios in Japan than in Spain.

Blogger RedJack November 15, 2020 8:46 AM  

It is a mix of Judaism, Christian heresy, and paganism. But it closer to Jewish law than anything else

Blogger thechortling November 15, 2020 8:49 AM  

Sowell pins Reconquista on the demise of the Welfare State... minute 34:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS5WYp5xmvI

Blogger Unknown November 15, 2020 8:52 AM  

In speaking of Moriscos, Communists hold beliefs similar to those, where lying to the face of decent people is considered to be moral. It's a disgusting practice of falsehood that destroys communities from the inside. It's a wicked religion set to victimize the innocent and vulnerable of their enemy.

Blogger Jose Miguel November 15, 2020 8:56 AM  

@21 Opus

You do realize the medallions made to commemorate the defeat of the Spanish Armada by the pirate Drake were struck in Latin and Hebrew? Which god did the English ruling class serve when they embraced divorce, alchemy and piracy?
Was that victory ultimately worth being ruled by (((them)))?

Blogger NobobyExpects November 15, 2020 9:41 AM  

While the Habsburgs were fighting the Turk, do anyone wonder what Protestants were doing?

https://infogalactic.com/info/Liever_Turks_dan_Paaps

Blogger flyingtiger November 15, 2020 9:52 AM  

#17: I seconded that statement.

Blogger Latigo3 November 15, 2020 10:43 AM  

Of all that has been written about on this blog and in your books, the truth about the Spanish Inquisition is probably my favorite. Too much truth!

Blogger Ray - SoCal November 15, 2020 10:56 AM  

How many “Secret” Christians are killed each year for being an apostate to Islam?

The beauty of Islam is any covert from Islam is considered an apostate, and per the Koran in the Hadiths should be killed, by any good Muslim, including family.

The link has a story of a Ugandan Father killing his daughter for finding Christ.

https://www.raymondibrahim.com/2020/06/29/32000-christians-butchered-to-death-muslim-persecution-of-christians-may-2020/

10 million plus converts per a 2015 study. My guess that is low.
https://infogalactic.com/info/List_of_converts_to_Christianity_from_Islam

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 15, 2020 10:59 AM  

Doom wrote:As Vlad taught, ... The more severe, the fewer required before even muslims get the point.
Mass impalements is the only way to make sure mohammedans get the point. It worked for Vlad, it'll work today.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 15, 2020 11:04 AM  

Unknown wrote:In speaking of Moriscos, Communists hold beliefs similar to those,...
Satanism has many forms, but they all have lying in common.

Blogger Yukichi Sensei November 15, 2020 11:07 AM  

Inquisitions are necessary. Especially inside the church.

Fight heretics and evil. It is one of the purposes of the church.

Blogger Chris Mallory November 15, 2020 11:45 AM  

Building the American Colonies.

Blogger Doktor Jeep November 15, 2020 11:56 AM  

Jews and muslims are both desert religions and better off in those deserts.

Blogger Miguel November 15, 2020 12:09 PM  

Fun fact: when neo-palestinians claim that they were persecuted by the Inquisition, they are admitting that they were lying when they claimed to be Christians.

Blogger cyrus83 November 15, 2020 12:28 PM  

The left gets the need for something like an inquisition to crush and eliminate dissent, just as they also get that organization and institutional control is necessary to carry it out effectively.

At some point new inquisitions will be needed to root out and crush the heretics in the church, and it wouldn't be surprising to see inquisitions in the political sphere as well once the nationalists come out on top in Europe.

Blogger Up from the pond November 15, 2020 1:10 PM  

"the Spanish Inquisition (which, contrary to popular belief, targeted more Muslims than Jews)"

I don't know about the veracity of that statement. What's clear is that the Jewish faction of the Semitic race, not the Arab or Muslim faction, is the main problem in the West as a whole now. This faction of committed anti-Christians is far more subversive, and under various colors and ideologies has had millions, not thousands, killed. The two factions are operationally connected as well: Jews are the principal driver of the West's problem of invasion-by-immigration. Or as I saw it phrased once, the paler-skinned Semites on top are holding the door open for their less pale cousins (Muslims) on the bottom. Both practice taqiyya or the related rhetorical tactic of pilpul, which conservatives are forever impotently decrying as "hypocrisy" or "double standards"; and the pastier legions plan or pine for (further) genocides of Christians or "White supremacists" worldwide, from Syria to Russia to the U.S. heartland. The old phrase "British in public, Jewish in private" encapsulates the life of lies they lead while they bide their time; and what they are in private is perhaps best represented by a "joke" told by many Jews of my personal acquaintance years before Sarah Silverman told it to a naively shocked nation. That "joke" is: "You bet we killed Christ. And when he returns, we will kill him again."

There are a lot of "good Muslims" too, just to anticipate an objection.

Lastly I'd like to mention that the Spanish Inquisition was less effective on Marranos than on Moriscos. The Muslims were beaten back. The Jews subverted the Church.

Blogger Crew November 15, 2020 1:22 PM  

Universal schooling seems pretty effective at eliminating any beliefs the elites do not like.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 15, 2020 1:33 PM  

"Eradicating extremism from Muslim communities is childishly simple"

Only if you consider "eradicating Muslim communities" a satisfactory solution.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 15, 2020 1:41 PM  

"I don't know about the veracity of that statement. What's clear is that the Jewish faction of the Semitic race, not the Arab or Muslim faction, is the main problem in the West as a whole now."

Not-so-coincidentally, the author of the OP-linked article:

"Raymond Ibrahim is a Shillman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center."

Can't even make this sh** up. It bears repeating, the enemy of our enemy is not necessarily our friend.

Blogger Yossarian November 15, 2020 2:23 PM  

Doom wrote:As Vlad taught, start with your own so that the message precedes the requirement of more force. A kindness to our foreign enemies, one might say. Too bad he couldn't get at the elite traitors, his very brothers. But, for his sacrifice, he did change the dynamic to this day.

Are you talking about Vlad The Impaler? If so I think you've got some major facts wrong. He only had two brothers. His older brother was pretty much his idol: crusader extraordinaire when he was merely a teen, and one of the first to ever use canons in warfare. His younger brother was a ward of the Sultan from a fragile age which is why he changed his loyalties to the Ottoman Empire. Vlad never talked about or with him since.

Vlad The Impaler was one of those people with no equal historic counterpart. Both a feared and loved ruler. His word was law but he was just and ruthless. He genocided everything that wasn't Christian: men, women, and children. He did express revulsion at killing women and children but in his words "it had to be done". His method of impalement may have been visually gruesome but in reality it was merciful compared to the alternative. He used the horizontal method of impalement which offers a quick bloody death. In order to hoist and hold the bodies up the impalement rod had to have a specific shape otherwise the body would just slide down: that of a cross. The Ottomans got the message loud and clear.

Sorry for my fanboi sperg out.

Blogger natschuster November 15, 2020 2:42 PM  

I read that Rabbi Isaak Abarbanel financed the Reconwuista. How does that fit in?

Blogger DourCdn November 15, 2020 3:12 PM  

Yes, as Observer above noted its called "The Black Legend" , part of a English, possibly calvanist, huguenot anti-spanish, anti-hapsburg, anti-catholic propaganda campaign.

Blogger Balam November 15, 2020 3:22 PM  

With the long dirty work of the inquisition it does sound easier to just expell all Muslims and Islamic sympathizers. If only more nations would make a more extreme version of the funny Greece made; from what I hear they just ship resident africans straight to Germany with the ''they will be happier and better provided for there'' line.

Blogger Solon November 15, 2020 4:41 PM  

@40 "Only if you consider "eradicating Muslim communities" a satisfactory solution."

Do you NOT consider that satisfactory?

Blogger Doom November 15, 2020 5:15 PM  

Yossarian wrote:Doom wrote:As Vlad taught, start with your own so that the message precedes the requirement of more force. A kindness to our foreign enemies, one might say. Too bad he couldn't get at the elite traitors, his very brothers. But, for his sacrifice, he did change the dynamic to this day.

Are you talking about Vlad The Impaler? If so I think you've got some major facts wrong. He only had two brothers. His older brother was pretty much his idol: crusader extraordinaire when he was merely a teen, and one of the first to ever use canons in warfare. His younger brother was a ward of the Sultan from a fragile age which is why he changed his loyalties to the Ottoman Empire. Vlad never talked about or with him since.

Vlad The Impaler was one of those people with no equal historic counterpart. Both a feared and loved ruler. His word was law but he was just and ruthless. He genocided everything that wasn't Christian: men, women, and children. He did express revulsion at killing women and children but in his words "it had to be done". His method of impalement may have been visually gruesome but in reality it was merciful compared to the alternative. He used the horizontal method of impalement which offers a quick bloody death. In order to hoist and hold the bodies up the impalement rod had to have a specific shape otherwise the body would just slide down: that of a cross. The Ottomans got the message loud and clear.

Sorry for my fanboi sperg out.


That isn't my understanding, if my understanding is... potentially weak. Not that I haven't tried, in the past, to track things down. Time and propaganda against him... makes the trail murky.

If you have a source, accessible in English. I'd... relish the opportunity to dig a bit more.

As to poling, I am still holding to the notion that he was not merciful in that. However, propaganda... As well, it may have depended upon which people he was putting up. Remnants of a defeated army? Dubious citizens? Or just... examples to clear out the rest? I think... there may have been differences. Although, in any case, he did it rather coolly. Business. Even a blessed business. I... dig.

Not sure I am a fanboy, more a kindred spirit. As I see things. You do you.

Blogger Yossarian November 15, 2020 6:33 PM  

Doom wrote:Time and propaganda against him... makes the trail murky.


Vlad The Impaler is venerated as an unofficial Orthodox Saint. The Church refused to canonize him because there was a rumor at the time that he converted to catholicism. Nobody believed the rumor but the Church's response was irrefutable: "if Vlad didn't convert, how come he's dead?".

Anyway, most of the propaganda against him comes from the Hungarian King he was under which eventually imprisoned him for years in a dungeon. The more you read into the events the more the official narrative changes. The King actually liked him. He wasn't imprisoned but more put under house arrest at the King's palace. Whenever foreign statesmen would dine with the King, Vlad would always be present at the table, at the King's side. Eventually Vlad would marry the princess. The Pope at the time was a fanboi of Vlad as well.

From a political standpoint building up the reputation of your son-in-law as a ruthless and sadistic maniac which has the blessing of both churches to do whatever can be quite helpful.

Doom wrote:As to poling, I am still holding to the notion that he was not merciful in that.

One option is getting stabbed in the chest with a stake.
The other option is getting hoisted up with a pointy pole up your taint and left in complete agony for days.
There's really no competition.

Blogger ZaijiaN November 15, 2020 7:31 PM  

How it started/it's going

Blogger NegrosBear November 15, 2020 7:55 PM  

@38

"Lastly I'd like to mention that the Spanish Inquisition was less effective on Marranos than on Moriscos. The Muslims were beaten back. The Jews subverted the Church."


No that came later when they get in through the commies and cia.




Though an interesting thing people forget is that the key players for advocating the final expulsion, Torquemada, Ferdinand etc. Were decedents of sincere Conversos, by 1500 if you were still recalcitrant you had to go.

Blogger NegrosBear November 15, 2020 8:03 PM  

@22

"Your statement is ignorant at best. Many Conquistadores came from Andalucia, they were the ones who created cowboy culture on both sides
of the Rio Grande. Spain is and was a Mediterranean culture. The

concept of Europe as we know it is a more modern phenomena.

One central problem with Spain is their desire to be European instead of Hispano. That's why there are more flamenco studios in Japan than in Spain."



Yeah a quick search of list of Conquistadors from Adalucia will do the trick.

People always forget a ton DID convert, and the ones who were kicked out where the hard heads who were never going to.

Blogger Bezzle November 15, 2020 9:31 PM  

@18. Daniele Grech Pereira November 15, 2020 8:13 AM
"Lamentably, history has already proven that even much more draconian measures against Islam—of the sort that modern Western man cannot even conceive let along implement—are doomed to failure."

Cannot conceive let alone implement? Doomed to failure? Who is this guy kidding! Many of us are willing, able, and studying up.



Raymond Ibrahim is either blatantly blackpilling, or unwilling to deduce that the Reconquista was too generous to a fault, and that the Inquisition was the consequence of that myopic leniency.

--The Chinese certainly aren't having any problems "eradicating" Islam. Unlike the squeamish West, they have no problems tapping the market for valuable Moslem internal organs.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 15, 2020 9:54 PM  

"Do you NOT consider that satisfactory?"

Satisfactory, yes. A satisfactory solution to the posed problem, technically no.

Blogger John Rockwell November 15, 2020 11:36 PM  

The Mongols were even more effective in taking down Islam compared to Vlad. This is their policy which ensured utter terror to Muslims:

1)Best Case: City submits. City pays tribe in Men and money.
2)If only garrison and leaders resist. Only they are killed. Population spared.

3)Punishment for siege. Where the people of the city resists the Mongols themselves. Men are killed. Women and children taken enslaved. Craftsmen taken elsewhere. City plundered.

4)City kills a Prince or General. Or an extremely difficult siege. Everything that breathes was killed City destroyed.

Mongols return few days later to scour the ruined city for survivors to kill. Leave no one alive not even any animals or pets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tVjMuKURxw

Blogger John Rockwell November 15, 2020 11:38 PM  

In cases where the cities under Mongol rule rebelled afterwards. They slaughtered every last Male from the Oldest to the Youngest and took the women and children captive. And destroyed the Town or City that revolted.

Blogger Yossarian November 16, 2020 2:15 PM  

John Rockwell wrote:The Mongols were even more effective in taking down Islam compared to Vlad.

Compared to the Mongols the Ottomans weren't that bad so I don't know where you're going with this. Islam is not a race and there's a huge difference between Somali Muslims and Turkish Muslims. Nations matter. Never forget that Constantinople is still there with the Christian holy sites preserved up till this day by your feared "political Islam". Christian (Orthodox) holy land = Islamic holy land.

What did the Mongols leave behind? Some dumb South Park memes?

Blogger Jason the Gentleman November 16, 2020 3:48 PM  

Owen did a stream a few weeks back that kind of touches on the question of religion vs tribe.
967-symphony-of-spell-breaking-tribe-versus-religion
I suspect he would say the tribes which were being monitored were largely those who have a very violent bent to them, with many being unwilling to truly convert, and/or put aside their false beliefs. How does one handle a belief system that teaches it's ok to blatantly lie? There is no way to know if you can trust them, and as this speaks to, many changed everything about their public lives to trick and deceive others into believing they were true in their conversion.
The only solution I can see in such situations is to cast them out completely and hope their ideology hadn't already poisoned local citizens of your race/tribe/nation.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 16, 2020 4:33 PM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:Only if you consider "eradicating Muslim communities" a satisfactory solution.
I do consider that satisfactory. It's certainly necessary, and probably sufficient.

Blogger John Rockwell November 16, 2020 10:14 PM  

Yossarian wrote:John Rockwell wrote:The Mongols were even more effective in taking down Islam compared to Vlad.

Compared to the Mongols the Ottomans weren't that bad so I don't know where you're going with this. Islam is not a race and there's a huge difference between Somali Muslims and Turkish Muslims. Nations matter. Never forget that Constantinople is still there with the Christian holy sites preserved up till this day by your feared "political Islam". Christian (Orthodox) holy land = Islamic holy land.

What did the Mongols leave behind? Some dumb South Park memes?


Is the Kwarezeim Empire still here? Nope. Completely gone.

Blogger Jash November 17, 2020 4:47 PM  

Our 2% Muslim demographic can be assimilated and in two or three generations they will not be practicing Islam anymore. If we can stop bringing them in.

Muslims here are already divided because their youth are adopting a social justice agenda that subverts Islam. They adopt the Leftist agenda because the Left has backed the importation of Islam. In the meantime, the Leftist agenda will destroy American Islamic orthodoxy.

See MuslimMatters "How Liberal Alliances with Destroy Muslims" (7-27-2017). They are well aware of this fact.

American Islam will go down the tubes unless they can bring in more orthodox Muslims from the ME and South Asia. They need enough numbers to ghettoize and control their own young people.

France is a numbers game and that is a totally different matter.

Blogger DC November 18, 2020 2:15 PM  

Do the Cathars count in those numbers?

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