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Friday, November 27, 2020

The PA House steps in

A RESOLUTION

Declaring the results of statewide electoral contests in the 2020 General Election to be in dispute....

THEREFORE, be it RESOLVED that the Pennsylvania House of Representatives—

1. Recognizes substantial irregularities and improprieties associated with mail-in balloting, pre-canvassing, and canvassing during the November 3, 2020 election; and

2. Disapproves of the infringement on the General Assembly’s authority pursuant to the United States Constitution to regulate elections; and

3. Disapproves of and disagrees with the Secretary of the Commonwealth’s premature certification of the results of the November 3, 2020 election regarding presidential electors; and

4. Declares that the selection of presidential electors and other statewide electoral contest results in this Commonwealth is in dispute; and

5. Urges the Secretary of the Commonwealth and the Governor to withdraw or vacate the certification of presidential electors and to delay certification of results in other statewide electoral contests voted on at the 2020 General Election; and

6. Urges the United States Congress to declare the selection of presidential electors in this Commonwealth to be in dispute.


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117 Comments:

Blogger Dad29 November 27, 2020 5:55 PM  

Nice blather. Does it MEAN something?

Blogger Dave W. November 27, 2020 6:01 PM  

So.... #4 is the one that really matters here, at least for Pennsylvania?

Blogger Gettimothy November 27, 2020 6:02 PM  

7. Drops pants and moons you bastards pursuant to Mel Gibsin in Braveheart

8 Embeds "mae axe" in your nervous system pursuant to Gimli at The Battle of Helms Deep.

9. "Fuck You! because Fuck You!" pursuant to Fuck You! because Fuck You!

10.....

Blogger Dave in Ahia November 27, 2020 6:03 PM  

I think this is what Trump wanted all along. Allow the states to make things right. Failing that, the executioner awaits.

Blogger CCP November 27, 2020 6:05 PM  

Trump really, really, really should concede. Or not.

Blogger Jeff November 27, 2020 6:09 PM  

https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/interesting-comment-from-pennsylvania-senator/

My man Col. Mastriano.

Blogger Nostromo November 27, 2020 6:13 PM  

Weak. They appeal to congress to do what they are afraid to do themselves. You have the power. YOU declare the election tainted, and either call for a new one, or award the electors to whom you wish.

Blogger tdcommenter November 27, 2020 6:15 PM  

That sound was either a crack of thunder or the tentacle of a kraken. Either way, it was loud and real.

Blogger The Lab Manager November 27, 2020 6:24 PM  

Did Twattter shut down their feed or any links to this yet?

Blogger Lazy Hero November 27, 2020 6:27 PM  

I heard/read another interpretation of this that the PA Repubs are basically going to give the state's electoral votes to Trump by appointing Trump electors. That they were going to overwrite what the sec of state and governor had done. Can anyone clarify? I guess in the end it doesn't really matter. I've been thinking Trump gets 275 evotes, and PA & MI don't certify.

Blogger A trite re-white November 27, 2020 6:32 PM  

When I was 20, Hollywood was filming a movie near my abode (good old Halifax NS) the movie was called Scotland PA" I got cast as an extra in the movie and got to meet Christopher Walken... Ever since then the initials PA have haunted me even though I've never been there...

Come on PA, score one for the man upstairs!!!

Blogger Reader November 27, 2020 6:33 PM  

Within two sentences of legalese my eyes glaze over and my brain stops even trying. I rely primarily on Vox's commentary and other gluttons for punishment to make sense of it all for me, at which point I will know whether to smile and pray, or just pray. In this case it is pretty straight forward even for me. This is very good news. Cometh the Trumpslide.

Blogger Done with it all November 27, 2020 6:34 PM  

Shits happening. The Army of the Potomac is on the march. Hail General Trump! The hills are worth dying for.

Blogger Glen Sprigg November 27, 2020 6:48 PM  

But...but...but the media insisted it was over! Biden is President! Trump is finished! They promised!!! They said Pennsylvania was for Biden and nobody could do anything about it! ORANGE MAN BAD!!!! ORANGE MAN BAD!!!!! WHERE'S MY BINKY?!?!?!?! ORANGE MAN BAD!!!!!!

Blogger Brick Hardslab November 27, 2020 6:57 PM  

No Orange Man not bad, but he's not exactly safe to oppose either.

Blogger Rek. November 27, 2020 7:03 PM  

Would love some expert analysis of this news. But it looks like things are ever more moving in the right direction and according to the plan. It goes slowly at first from various angles and then it goes kaboom and Trump is inaugurated. #4moreyears

Blogger Newscaper312 November 27, 2020 7:03 PM  

Just the first step, but a vital one. Great news, because they n my understanding the Electoral College is critical. Even SCOTUS stepping in is only in context of suits over the process of choosing states electors not being followed. I may be wrong, but I only think the US House only gets involved if the EC cannot come to a majority winner by a certain date.
I dont know of any defined constitutional mechanism by which SCOTUS or the House can step in after the fact of an EC majority vote.
Would love to know if I am wrong.

Blogger VD November 27, 2020 7:05 PM  

Nice blather. Does it MEAN something?

You seriously can't read?

Blogger Redbeard November 27, 2020 7:05 PM  

I think it means: onward to the supreme court

Blogger Newscaper312 November 27, 2020 7:06 PM  

@10 lazy hero
This does not do anything re appointing electors. Rather its a first step, establishing that a problem exists, and hitting the brakes.

Blogger VD November 27, 2020 7:08 PM  

Weak. They appeal to congress to do what they are afraid to do themselves.

You can't read either. The PA legislators are asking Congress to do the same thing they are doing, because the presidential election is relevant to the Federal government. Notice that they did not ask Congress to express an opinion about the state elections.

4. Declares that the selection of presidential electors and other statewide electoral contest results in this Commonwealth is in dispute; and

6. Urges the United States Congress to declare the selection of presidential electors in this Commonwealth to be in dispute.

Blogger Newscaper312 November 27, 2020 7:10 PM  

Hmm. Read the actual link, is the proposed text of the resolution.
Wonder if theyll pass it Monday.

Blogger Didas Kalos November 27, 2020 7:11 PM  

@Dad29 OK Boomer.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 27, 2020 7:12 PM  

Nostromo wrote:They appeal to congress to do what they are afraid to do themselves.
That is their point 6.
Nostromo wrote:You have the power. YOU declare the election tainted ...
That is their point 4.
Nostromo wrote:... and either call for a new one, or award the electors to whom you wish.
Patience.

Blogger Dole November 27, 2020 7:13 PM  

Does anyone have knowledge of the chances of the resolution passing?

Biden did not win. Cross the Rubicon!

Blogger Doktor Jeep November 27, 2020 7:14 PM  

It's all just to get it on paper before the real fun starts.

Blogger Jehu November 27, 2020 7:16 PM  

What's the process for pa to actually declare a set of Trump electors?

Blogger Cedric November 27, 2020 7:18 PM  

They declare it in dispute, which should be binding once voted upon. They can always make another resolution afterwards if their demands are not met, but the first step forward is taken to reasserting their authority over the matter.

Blogger Man of the Atom November 27, 2020 7:19 PM  

Yes, this is exactly what Trump is driving toward: the State Legislatures acting in accordance with the Constitution. Now, let's watch FB and Twitter ban the PA Legislature and their websites, their discussions, and their activities. Light up that Streisand Effect and get more of the average citizens talking about this. There's no losing with this action for PA voters and legislators, or for Trump.

Blogger Darwin is a Harsh Mistress November 27, 2020 7:20 PM  

Doubters and blackpillers better damned well understand every man that signs this becomes an immediate [kill target] and even if it seems weak to you, they just put their lives and the lives of their families on the line.

God bless them all and be with them always through the Storm.

Blogger SirHamster November 27, 2020 7:22 PM  

VD wrote:Nice blather. Does it MEAN something?

You seriously can't read?

No one will mourn the post-literate society.

Blogger Rick November 27, 2020 7:27 PM  

What does a yellow light mean

Blogger Troy Lee Messer November 27, 2020 7:29 PM  

I think #4 is huge. Trump's wants electors more than votes. if Trump can't have those electors, no one can. if no 270 for anyone, all eyes on Congress

Blogger WillBound November 27, 2020 7:30 PM  

I'm not clear whether this resolution has actually been passed yet, as they are asking for co-sponsors. Not being American I don't know the ins and outs of how state legislatures work.

Blogger An Orthodox Christian November 27, 2020 7:35 PM  

The "wait 2 [legislative] days" caveat applies here...

House Co-Sponsorship Memoranda
In the immediate future, we **will be** introducing the following resolution:

No reason to doubt after viewing the actual hearing, but I hear not the melody from the obese soprano.

Blogger The Lab Manager November 27, 2020 7:37 PM  

So the U.S. Third Circuit of Appeals in Pennsylvania has shown itself to be worthless:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/pennsylvania-court-rejects-trump-appeal-campaign-lawyers-say-its-on-to-scotus_3595982.html

Blogger tuberman November 27, 2020 7:38 PM  

This PA thing is fantastic, but I want to add another likely positive find:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1332325278010515457.html Follow this to /pol/ if you need to.

- The election fraud was carefully monitored from the inside by 20,000 undercover patriots who report to Durham
- Biggest sting in election history
- Media and big tech are going down

I know this is Paul Furber, who I take with a grain of salt, yet follow this out to read directly as #CongressAnon tells this direct on /pol/.

The larger group of the anons there were asking serious questions, and appeared to give more credibility than typical.

Imagine 20,000 trusted civilians deputized and reporting to Durham about this Cooperative Attempt to Steal. Very logical and believable flow to this #CongressAnon /pol/ thread.

Blogger jijijeac November 27, 2020 7:39 PM  

The more time passes the more fraud is revealed. Not surprising. This might be close and right before inauguration but Trump will win. Also the inauguration can be postponed. No reason not to. Many people are scared that unprecedented things are happening but sometimes you live in historic times when unprecdented things happen. To victory!

Blogger Reader November 27, 2020 7:39 PM  

Praise God and pass the resolutions.

Blogger Tom Rogers November 27, 2020 7:41 PM  

This arises due to Section 13, Article VII of the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, which states:

§ 13. Contested elections.
The trial and determination of contested elections of
electors of President and Vice-President, members of the General
Assembly, and of all public officers, whether State, judicial,
municipal or local, and contests involving questions submitted
to the electors at any election shall be by the courts of law,
or by one or more of the law judges thereof. The General
Assembly shall, by general law, designate the courts and judges
by whom the several classes of election contests shall be tried,
and regulate the manner of trial and all matters incident
thereto; but no such law assigning jurisdiction, or regulating
its exercise, shall apply to any contest arising out of an
election held before its passage.
(May 16, 1967, P.L.1048, J.R.5)

In other words, it is necessary for the Pennsylvania House of Representatives to pass the above resolutions in order for section 13 above to be invoked, thus making these statewide elections 'contested elections'.

I believe the 'general law' referred to in that section may include the Pennsylvania Election Code, a link to which is here:

https://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/US/PDF/1937/0/0320..PDF

Blogger thalios November 27, 2020 7:43 PM  

Nice blather. Does it MEAN something?

Retardation increases...

Blogger Reprehensible Adam November 27, 2020 7:46 PM  

That sounds more like it!

Blogger Silent Draco November 27, 2020 7:46 PM  

Do try to keep up: the language used is always formal. The resolution is a challenge delivered by a 2x4 to the head.

The PA House declared the selection of electors and other statewide electoral results in dispute. Wolf and his minions are welcome to say essentially "nuh-uh! All's fair!" in the face of an avalanche-sized evidence trail. The Attorney General who promised this was in the bag the day before the election now comes under scrutiny. The Legislature can now rescind its delegation of powers and appoint a slate of Republican electors. Somewhere along the line, there will be pitch melted in Newberry Township, the easier to pour in Mt. Wolf.

Urging Congress to do the same gets approval by the federal Senate, and puts the House of Representatives in a cleft stick. A part of the PA delegation will look over their shoulders; with the statewide election results declared in dispute, that includes the states' representatives. Would you want to bet against the outcome of a re-canvassed election, after this blatant a case of Grand Theft - Election?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 27, 2020 7:47 PM  

The next resolution from the PA House will be awarding the electors to Trump.

Blogger Done with it all November 27, 2020 7:48 PM  

We are all in. STFU and tow the line. Quit shitting youself with every new twist. If you haven't figured it out ladies we are at war. Steel yourself, Grab a pitchfork, or go sit with the babies and tend to their needs.

Are you in or you out? Decide and act accordingly. This is real.

The men are trying to have a conversation.

Blogger Azimus November 27, 2020 7:48 PM  

"Does it MEAN something?"

Gamma's gonna gamma

Blogger Grooveware November 27, 2020 7:49 PM  

This will going down in American folk law, there will be ballads wrote about the Kraken.



Blogger thethirdcoast November 27, 2020 7:55 PM  

Just found a link to this declaration posted over at Zerohedge:

http://www.courtlistener.com/docket/18693929/1/15/king-v-whitmer/

It looks legit to me. There are documented claims that foreign powers did interfere in the US elections. Supposedly this is one of many similar court submissions.

I would like to read opinions from folks with more legal experience than I.

Blogger Dafo November 27, 2020 8:01 PM  

Thanks for sharing, Vox. I foresee “reeee”ing in the near future. Topping off supplies.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 27, 2020 8:03 PM  

"...in dispute" is not merely a description. It is a legal term of art. If the election is in dispute, it falls to the legislative to select the president.

Blogger Solon November 27, 2020 8:04 PM  

So for those who dont understand legalese, or are unclear on how elections are run at the state level, here's a quick run down:

The PA Congress has passed a resolution. This is an official stance taken by Congress on a subject. Consider it a warning shot across the bow to any involved (in this case, the governor's office).

In it, they officially declare that they view the election to be in dispute, meaning they are going to wait to see what happens in the coming weeks/months.

They also urge the governor and SoS to "undo" or cancel their recent certifications. This is the warning portion of the resolution: the ultimate authority to determine electors falls on the various state congresses and NO ONE ELSE. The governor has had that authority delegated to him in the last few decades, but it can be revoked at ANY time.

Basically, PA Congress is telling Wolf: "Back down. Heel, boy. Or we will remove the authority to select electors that WE gave to you and give it to Trump."

They also urged the other states in the US Congress to do likewise. Some of them might use this as a pretext to do so, since it's an easy way to take power away from the executive branches and put it back in the hands of the legislative (where it belongs) without too much public blowback.

The various governors abusing the covid scare and becoming tyrants have been put on notice, basically.

This year has been a wild ride, and we havent even concluded the election. Buy popcorn.

Blogger Lazarus November 27, 2020 8:08 PM  

There is a meeting scheduled in Arizona on Monday Nov 30 just like the one held in Pennsylvania.

So Elector disputes in Penn & Ariz + SP suits in MI & GA. --------> Trump wins.

Just speculation, but the path is clear.

Blogger D. November 27, 2020 8:09 PM  

"Mastriano told War Room that he has been in communication with Republican Pennsylvania House and Senate members to reclaim their constitutional authority from the secretary of state’s office. The reason why, he said, is due to a hearing in Gettysburg with GOP state senators that heard witness testimony from poll watchers and others who alleged there were significant irregularities and fraud during the presidential election.

He said that about half of the state GOP House and Senate leaders and legislators support the move to reclaim their constitutional authority. Both the State House and Senate are controlled by Republicans.

“So, we’re gonna do a resolution between the House and Senate, hopefully today,” he told Steve Bannon’s War Room on Friday. “I’ve spent two hours online trying to coordinate this with my colleagues. And there’s a lot of good people working this here. Saying, that the resolution saying we’re going to take our power back. We’re gonna seat the electors. Now obviously we’re gonna need the support of the leadership of the House and Senate, we’re getting there on that.”

https://www.theepochtimes.com/legislature-will-seek-to-reclaim-power-to-appoint-electors-pennsylvania-state-senator_3596107.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-11-27-4

Blogger Johnny November 27, 2020 8:14 PM  

Not sure, but if I correctly understand the situation, the state governments can actually (in effect) override the voters in their states in a presidential election by appointing new electors. Not commonly done because in ordinary situations it would be political suicide.

They are probably only doing this because Trump has promised to make a stink, not leave voluntarily, so they are stuck with having to do something. The statement is weakly worded, probably because they want to see the reaction before the proceed. If this thing gets a little traction, it is a really big deal.

Blogger My Shield Is Disgust November 27, 2020 8:14 PM  

PrayingMedic’s Twitter thread. The God-Emperor has already won.

https://mobile.twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1332437041418670080

Blogger Bogey November 27, 2020 8:18 PM  

According to state Senator Doug Mastriano they are working to circumvent the Pennsylvania Governor and override the secretary of state.
From the Citizen Free Press

Blogger islanti November 27, 2020 8:25 PM  

First comment too. You must get push notifications!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 27, 2020 8:31 PM  

The constitution specifies that the state legislative branch has sole responsibility to choose electors. It is also established case law that any state level regulation, law, or even state constitution cannot override this authority.

Blogger Avalanche November 27, 2020 8:31 PM  

@1 Nice blather. Does it MEAN something?

Almost: one of the reps at the 3-hour layout of the Rudy/Jenna stuff with witnesses and affidavits asked WHAT could they do, because the legislature had delegated by statues the setting of electors to the Secty of State. She felt they were unable to DO anything; and the layers that had consulted said they couldn't.

Jenna explained, quite well, that the leg. never GAVE UP that power by delegating it, and in view of the fraud, they could take that power back and use their Constitutionally granted power.

Jenna did not make clear, however, if by 'take it back,' she meant the leg. could or would have to write new statues, or merely take control, as it's their task.

Blogger Rick November 27, 2020 8:35 PM  

I too think the date of the inauguration doesn’t matter much if at all. 1) who would enforce it if it didn’t take place on the proper date? (Who and what army?) 2) there’s no real transition to a new President so I’m not sure the inauguration qualifies as EVEN a formality. He serves until 2024. He doesn’t stop serving if mayhem breaks out anytime before that date.
“You have to leeeeave! You didn’t fill out the proper form!”
Swear him in on 20 Jan either way. If the gammas so desire it, make it so. I hear they back-date stuff all the time.

Blogger Rick November 27, 2020 8:37 PM  

Yes. And least of all, be of good cheer. You are incredibly fortunate to watch this happen in real time, while sitting on your couch, and not at Valley Forge.

Blogger Bibliotheca Servare November 27, 2020 8:37 PM  

On the page linked in this post, at the top it says "In the immediate future, we will be introducing the following resolution:"

And at the bottom it says "Please join us in cosponsoring this critical resolution."

So, unless I misunderstand, they haven't actually passed the resolution yet. Damn it.

God willing they will pass it though.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume November 27, 2020 8:38 PM  

Darwin is a Harsh Mistress wrote:Doubters and blackpillers better damned well understand every man that signs this becomes an immediate [kill target] and even if it seems weak to you, they just put their lives and the lives of their families on the line.

God bless them all and be with them always through the Storm.


Amen. These guys just took a real stand, one with real consequences beyond just worrying about their next election. Good for them and God speed.

Blogger Pathfinderlight November 27, 2020 8:39 PM  

I like seeing some stones on these PA state lawmakers. For those who want a rough translation from a non lawyer:

1) The PA legislature basically calls out this entire election for being a shit show and lays the blame squarely on the commies' main corruption vectors.

2) They jab the media for stepping all over their turf.

3) They then declare their state's secretary of state didn't do his job properly 4) because Biden won the fraud while Trump won the votes.

5) So the secretary needs to pull his head out of his ass before the governor does it for him.

6) And tells the US congress to acknowledge that Pennsylvania will not allow fraud to determine the election's outcome.

That's about how I read that resolution. Use of the word "urges" comes from the fact that they're telling someone else to do something within the confines of their own sandbox, so to speak. The PA legislature is signaling that it's not going to put up with BS and will throw around its full constitutional power.

Blogger Clint November 27, 2020 8:50 PM  

The senate resolution is stronger.
https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/Legis/CSM/showMemoPublic.cfm?chamber=S&SPick=20190&cosponId=32629

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 27, 2020 8:59 PM  

Pennsylvania senate version is much more specific, and reserves the right of certification of election results strictly to the legislature. https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/Legis/CSM/showMemoPublic.cfm?chamber=S&SPick=20190&cosponId=32629&mobile_choice=suppress

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 27, 2020 9:09 PM  

@59, Av, if you have delegated a power, that means it's your power. Also, it's a fundamental principle that one legislature cannot bind a later legislature. If an earlier legislature passed legislation delegating power, this legislature can pass legislation to un-delegate it.

Blogger Up from the pond November 27, 2020 9:10 PM  

The lower courts and circuit courts rejected every case brought in Bush v. Gore until it reached the Supreme Court. Blackpillers are going to lose a lot of underwear before this is all over.

Blogger Lazarus November 27, 2020 9:20 PM  

What we know so far:

Obama's bad actors used software to defeat Romney.They expected to pull off the same thing in 2016, but good guys intervened in key counties and Trump won. Hillary was pissed cuz she was promised the job. Good guys let the fraud go in 2018 to allow the Dems to reveal themselves while protecting the needed Senate seats as Q predicted. Good guys set up sting for 2020. Key people in legislatures in the fraud states were informed of the sting operation and their role.

I don't know how the rest of the Plan goes, but there definitely is one.

Blogger JM November 27, 2020 9:28 PM  

Twitter just banned the PA senator who started this:
https://reclaimthenet.org/twitter-suspends-senator-doug-mastriano/

Now I'm 100% convinced that it's very important and will be very effective.

Blogger Jondolar November 27, 2020 9:33 PM  

While I've not read all current comments I urge anyone out there who can access Mark Levin's show, "Life, Liberty & Levin" for 11/22 - or last Sunday - to watch this fantastic episode which explains the broader picture of what's going on, which includes an interview on this issue with Victor Davis Hansen.

Blogger jkmack November 27, 2020 9:36 PM  

guys, i crossed the rubicon. it is kinda lonely over here, can you cross it too?

Blogger Other Josh November 27, 2020 9:48 PM  

I love this! The tide is turning. Do you see how victory happens? You start with an absolute resolve like we witness in President Trump. Never give up. Never give in. Even when the opponent looks undefeatable, keep swinging like a windmill. At first it seems foolish and futile, but then you slowly begin to gain traction... little by little. Slowly the tide grows. Slowly, people are drawn to your leadership and join your cause. Slowly people wake up to the truth you've been shouting. With patience and time the movement becomes an unstoppable force. And then your enemy suddenly doesn't look so big anymore. They look hollow and frail, like a shadow that can be snuffed out with the light of truth and justice.

We are rapidly reaching that point.

I'll admit, I am guilty of impatience. Back in 2017 and 2018, I was angry at Trump. Why isn't he draining the swamp? Now I understand. Don't doubt the man... he knows what he's doing!

Blogger Hector November 27, 2020 9:53 PM  

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Blogger Matthew T November 27, 2020 9:59 PM  

Hahaha, hilarious comment. I now can't stop picturing some guy jumping over a stream, and being like, what, what's the big deal about this guys...

Blogger Timmy3 November 27, 2020 9:59 PM  

I approve this resolution.

Blogger Homesteader November 27, 2020 10:29 PM  

The tide turns.

Patriots arise.

May we all do our part to reclaim our nation.

Blogger cyrus83 November 27, 2020 10:31 PM  

The part that will really make the SJW heads explode is that the National Popular Vote Compact they've been pushing all these years already assumes the state legislature has the authority to disregard the popular vote results of its state, fraudulent or not. They just never imagined the other side might choose to use that power to nix voter fraud efforts.

Blogger Mast Abeam November 27, 2020 10:34 PM  

Hi Vox,
So I’ve been the crazy (but polite ) Uncle at the family table.

The 2 pm EST ruling from PA shut me down for a while: Now I’m back discussing the 2nd Gettysburg address.

We need more cigars.

Blogger Unknown November 27, 2020 10:36 PM  

So PAs 20 electoral votes if this is honored are out in the 270 count?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 27, 2020 10:42 PM  

No, the PA Senate resolution explicitly leaves certification of results and seating of electors to the state legislature.
This means that the electoral votes are still in play, and will be decided by the legislature.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 27, 2020 10:47 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:No, the PA Senate resolution explicitly leaves certification of results and seating of electors to the state legislature.

This means that the electoral votes are still in play, and will be decided by the legislature.

True, and they will probably go to Trump. However, if PA merely fail to send electors for Biden, I believe he will fall short of 270, and Trump wins.

Blogger Tom Bombadil November 27, 2020 10:57 PM  

#5 If they just said "we declare the certification null" or something like that, it would sound a lot stronger. Asking someone else to do it seams weak, but maybe there's some sort of protocol or curtesy there

Blogger Newscaper312 November 27, 2020 11:04 PM  

@78 Cyrus

GREAT catch! COuld be very useful rhetorically. Haven't seen that connection made anywhere else.

Blogger MonsoonBear November 27, 2020 11:07 PM  

How interesting that all these new names show up with blackpills when things move forward...

Blogger Other Josh November 27, 2020 11:12 PM  

@79 "We need more cigars."

Bourbon. More bourbon! I've already told my wife when this finally comes to a head and Trump is victorious, I'm gonna be out of commission for a couple days.

Blogger Akulkis November 27, 2020 11:22 PM  

>> Nice blather. Does it MEAN something?



Drop dead, you ignorant, moronic, braindead tool.

It means that the legislature just declared the current condition of the Pennsylvania canvass to be void unless the fraud is removed. Next step, if they don't make another resolution declaring the counts to be properly done, is for Pennsylvania's Republican majority to appoint fervant Trump supporter as the state electors.
It also means that the whole rest of the canvass has been declared null and void until such time as Philadelphia and the other Dem strongholds eliminate their stuffed ballots and other vote-fraud.

Blogger FUBARwest November 27, 2020 11:48 PM  

Assuming this goes through(since both the house and senate have written these up it's a reasonable safe bet that happens) Biden's assumed 301 EC total goes down to 281. Pennsylvania probably won't be the only state to do this. A change in the wind is happening, going to be an exciting next couple of weeks.

Blogger pyrrhus November 27, 2020 11:59 PM  

Has this Resolution actually been passed? Or is passage going to occur imminently by both the House and Senate?

Blogger Hammerli 280 November 28, 2020 12:25 AM  

It's probably worth pointing out that there is a Plan B. The state legislators don't have to appoint electors. They can appoint NO electors. If nobody gets 273 electoral votes, the Presidential election goes into the House, which votes by state delegation. Trump wins that one.

I actually think this the most probable path to victory, as nobody can claim "the courts/legislatures stole the election".

Blogger Jack Amok November 28, 2020 12:25 AM  

Ultimately I assume this ends up (or at least takes a trip through) the US Supreme Court, since the law and the facts are on Trump's side but the Democrats have hijacked the process and will try to brazen out their fraud. What the PA legislature does, or how specifically it's worded, will adjust the dials on the USSC case, but unless there's an Art of the Deal that has the PA Democrats bow out in exchange for not being hanged (or shot) for treason, they'll try to use their administrative control to ram the fraud through.

Then it's either the USSC or SoCOM that will arbitrate the dispute.

Blogger Bezzle November 28, 2020 12:39 AM  

@69. Lazarus November 27, 2020 9:20 PM
Obama's bad actors used software to defeat Romney.

Romney was the deep state's Republican candidate in 2012, so it didn't really matter who won. Primary races is where the real vote fraud goes on. If it has to cheat in the national election, something went seriously wrong.

In 2000, both Bush and Gore were deep state, but the race was kept close to energize the useful-idiot left comprising the Democrat party base, observe their reactions, and promote upward those with a demonstrated willingness to further corruption.

Where it went wrong, I conclude, is that technology evolved too fast for them to adapt. In the span of only a decade, everybody now has a video camera in their pocket, and can almost instantly share what they see around the planet.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( Joe Biden is the president Glenn Reynolds wants and the Chinese Owned Pedophile is the president Glenn Reynolds deserves ) November 28, 2020 12:45 AM  

45. Trump Soldier November 27, 2020 7:48 PM
We are all in. STFU and tow the line.


you know, if we're going to be slamming people for being post literate we should probably know how to
TOE
the line.

Blogger Rambam November 28, 2020 1:32 AM  

It anyone, other than God, is the God of this world, I would say it is the unbelieving (in Jesus) Jew.
I think, for all practical purposes, they have achieved global domination. God gave it to them. That's what they wanted in a Messiah. Christ's kingdom is on a different plane.

Blogger JD Curtis November 28, 2020 2:08 AM  

Can anyone here name a time when democracy wasn't more truly under assault ??

Blogger Imwill November 28, 2020 2:21 AM  

I’m angry you breathe the same air as me, gamma.

Blogger Catchthefox November 28, 2020 2:24 AM  

It means you get helicopter ride.

Blogger travvyboy November 28, 2020 2:31 AM  

Feels good man *cracks open Red Bull, knowing they've excised corporate cancer*

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel November 28, 2020 2:46 AM  

Apologies if this is a duplicate: Vivaldi returns a message "Blogger refused to connect".

"Mastriano told War Room that he has been in communication with Republican Pennsylvania House and Senate members to reclaim their constitutional authority from the secretary of state’s office. The reason why, he said, is due to a hearing in Gettysburg with GOP state senators that heard witness testimony from poll watchers and others who alleged there were significant irregularities and fraud during the presidential election.

From all appearances the Senator is a straight up decent guy- military, and serious student of history.

I note that in the House, Frank Ryan (also military) is a a sponsor. Ryan is also a CPA and was a popular instructor for the PA Institute of CPA's. I imagine he can see a fraud a mile off.

It's my personal opinion that Kathy Boockvar was made SoS precisely for the purposes of stealing this election:

From 2008 to 2011, Boockvar worked for Advancement Project, a non-profit organization focused on "voting rights" in Pennsylvania. Their website is the deep left blather about the "legacy of white supremacy".

March 2018, Boockvar was named Senior Adviser to the Governor on Election Modernization in the Pennsylvania Department of State by Wolf.

She was appointed Acting Secretary of the Commonwealth on January 5, 2019 and confirmed by the Senate on November 19, 2019.

In August 2019, she was named co-chair of the Elections Committee of the National Association of Secretaries of State.

The smell of Soros is deep here.



Blogger boogeyman November 28, 2020 2:47 AM  

So I'm assuming the PA legislature doesn't need the governor to sign off on this like it's a normal piece of legislation.

I've also been thinking, if it ends up with neither Trump or Biden getting 270 and this gets thrown to the House, what are the odds Pelosi just refuses to allow a vote? She's stupid/stubborn/corrupt enough to do it. How is that dealt with? Get a SCOTUS ruling saying she is bound by the Constitution to hold a vote?

When Trump is sworn in again, I pray this whole election gets a prostate exam level investigation, state by state, county by county, vote by vote. May the righteous be rewarded, and the guilty know justice.

Blogger Johnny November 28, 2020 2:59 AM  

Do the words "Disapprove" and "Urge" amount to anything legally or are they like the UN when it passes a resolution saying it's "Deeply concerned about X" without doing anything? Also the resolution wasn't even passed. It's just lip service to appease their base until otherwise. If you're from Pennsylvania call up your state representatives.

Blogger Miguel November 28, 2020 3:34 AM  

So......"conspiracy theorists" were right.

Blogger Timstick November 28, 2020 4:35 AM  

Depends what you mean by mean.

Blogger Dole November 28, 2020 4:39 AM  

PA courts are now also stepping in halting certification. It appears mail in voting in PA is illegal, but they decided to do it anyway.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/11/pennsylvania-state-judge-halts-certification-finds-likelihood-mail-in-balloting-procedures-violate-pa-constitution/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Blogger hideous November 28, 2020 6:22 AM  

There are currently 4 co-sponsors of the Senate resolution, which ends with this line.
"Please join us in cosponsoring this critical resolution."

I think it has been reported that Senator Col. Mastriano has been contacting his fellow senators and so some at least have not yet agreed to be cosponsors, since the resolution ends with the request.

The PA house and senate Republicans are going to come under ENORMOUS pressure to cave and not pass these resolutions when they come up for vote.
I imagine death threats to themselves and family members at the least.

Many Trump supporters have wanted to know if there is something they can do to help. Here is something that is real and absolutely needed.

EVERY Trump supporter in the nation, not just the ones in PA, should BOTH call and email every PA republican in the house and senate to urge them to sponsor and pass these resolutions.

https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/home/member_information/mbrList.cfm?body=S

And, more importantly, use every means to urge every other Trump supporter to to the same.

Millions of calls and emails to the PA house & senate republicans to help counter the inevitable shrieking of leftist media and mobs.

Blogger VD November 28, 2020 7:01 AM  

Also the resolution wasn't even passed. It's just lip service to appease their base until otherwise.

Don't be such a Blackpill Bitch, Johnny. Of course it hasn't been passed yet. Do you not understand how the legislative process works?

If you don't propose and sponsor a bill, it doesn't get passed. This is the first step.

Blogger Avalanche November 28, 2020 8:20 AM  

@66 "Pennsylvania senate version"
and
@ 67 "that means it's your power."

YIPPEE!

Blogger Avalanche November 28, 2020 8:29 AM  

@95 "Can anyone here name a time when democracy wasn't more truly under assault ??"

Don't much CARE that democracy is under assault.
Care hugely that our democratic REPUBLIC is under assault!

If it were democracy, then Biden won by the numbers and he's it. Thank GOD and the Founding Fathers that is not our system!

Blogger Cappuccinobear November 28, 2020 9:04 AM  

With all the illegals in America, perhaps English isn't his native language?

Blogger NoobishTitan November 28, 2020 12:36 PM  

It's official now

Blogger Jon P. R. November 28, 2020 1:50 PM  

Except even in a democracy that's incorrect. Biden did not win the popular vote. His total votes are largely inflated by fraud and manipulation. Trump also has been artificially reduced in vote totals in several states by the same illegal actions.

Blogger Crew November 28, 2020 2:50 PM  

News Max on the PA Legislators efforts to handle the electors themselves!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDdpk5ldZeI

Blogger some dude November 28, 2020 3:23 PM  

Boomers gotta boom

Blogger Kilo4/11 November 28, 2020 4:15 PM  

Can't tell yet if the Pa. resolution has passed, so, if Vox permits, I'd like to pass along the letter I've written to Pa. state reps, urging them to support the res. Obviously you delete the part about the Marines and Vietnam if you weren't one and didn't go there. Put in "Patriotic American" or "minion of Kraken", if you like.

Dear Representative,

I strongly urge you to support your colleagues' resolution, initiated by Reps Diamond, Nelson, et al on November 27, 2020, declaring the Pennsylvania 2020 federal election results in dispute. This will take courage and involve risk for you, but this is a matter of profound importance for our Republic!

As a Marine Corps veteran of Vietnam, I fought to preserve our system of free and fair elections where every legal vote counts and no illegal votes replace legal ones. There is clear evidence of election fraud in Pennsylvania. Here in Illinois where I live, the Democrats are in total control, but you in the great state of Pennsylvania have the rightful power, given you by the U. S. Constitution, to fight back against the steal. I urge you to fight for the millions of Trump voters, including myself, all across our great land who have had our votes stolen!

Respectfully,
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Blogger Tom Bombadil November 28, 2020 4:29 PM  

MonsoonBear wrote:How interesting that all these new names show up with blackpills when things move forward...

For myself, I'm new here and the reason is that lately it's been hard to find decent info sources, so I've been digging a little deeper. Doesn't mean I'm new to understanding how screwed up the world is (whatever pill that is called)

Blogger phil g November 29, 2020 8:33 AM  

The more time passes the more rats will crack under pressure and the bigger the witness pool gets until even MSNBC can't ignore it.

Blogger phil g November 29, 2020 8:59 AM  

Wish we could banish the word 'democracy'. People throw it around with no clue what they're saying.

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