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Thursday, November 19, 2020

We will not back down

 There is no more doubt that President Trump is going to take the battle to the fraudsters in the aftermath of today's press conference.

"We will not back down, we won't be intimidated, President Trump will not be intimidated. You the American people should not be intimidated... this is not a court of law, we will get there, and we have time, and we have constitutional provisions that will step in when we show the corruption and the irredeemably challenged and overturned votes that are absolutely corrupt."

-Jenna Ellis, Senior Legal Advisor to the Trump Campaign

The Nine Key Points detailed today:

1. Observers were allegedly prevented from watching mail-in ballots being opened. Giuliani said that many mail-in ballots were opened without observers being able to check that they were properly signed, a key protection against fraud. Those votes, he said, were “null and void,” especially where the envelopes had been discarded, making recounts useless.

2. Allegedly unequal application of the law in Democratic counties. In Pennsylvania, whose state supreme court created new, relaxed voting rules before the election, Giuliani alleged that absentee voters in Democratic counties were allowed to “cure” defects in their ballots, while voters in Republican counties, which obeyed the state law as written, were not.

3. Voters allegedly arrived at the polls to discover other people had voted for them. Giuliani said that many provisional ballots cast in Pittsburgh were submitted by people who showed up to vote in person, only to be told that they had voted already. He alleged that Democrats had filled out absentee ballots for other people, hoping they would not show up.

4. Election officials were allegedly told not to look for defects in ballots, and to backdate ballots. Giuliani cited an affidavit from an official who swore she was told not to exclude absentee ballots for defects, and to backdate ballots so they would not appear to have been received after Election Day, to avoid a Supreme Court order to sequester those ballots.

5. Ballots casting votes for Joe Biden and no other candidates were allegedly run several times through machines. Giuliani said that there were 60 witnesses in Michigan who would attest to ballots being “produced” quickly and counted twice or thrice. He said that a minimum of 60,000 ballots, and a maximum of 100,000 ballots, were allegedly affected.

6. Absentee ballots were accepted in Wisconsin without being applied for first. Giuliani noted that Wisconsin state law was stricter regarding absentee ballots than most other states are, yet alleged that 60,000 absentee ballots were counted in the Milwaukee area, and 40,000 in the Madison area, without having been applied for properly by the voters who cast them.

7. There were allegedly “overvotes,” with some precincts allegedly recording more voters than residents, among other problems. Giuliani said there was an unusually large number of overvotes in precincts in Michigan and in Wisconsin, which he alleged was the reason that Republicans on the Wayne County Board of Canvassers had refused to certify the results there this week. He also alleged that there were some out-of-state voters in Georgia, and people who had cast votes twice there.

8. Voting machines and software are allegedly owned by companies with ties to the Venezuelan regime and to left-wing donor George Soros. Sidney Powell argued that U.S. votes were being counted overseas, and that Dominion voting machines and Smartmatic software were controlled by foreign interests, manipulating algorithms to change the results. Powell noted specifically that Smartmatic’s owners included two Venezuelan nationals, whom she alleged had ties to the regime of Hugo Chavez and Nicolas Maduro. The legal team alleged that there were statistical anomalies, such as huge batches of votes for Biden, that could not be explained except as manipulation — which, they alleged, happened in the wee hours of the morning as vote-counting had stalled. (The companies have disputed these allegations vigorously.)

9. The Constitution provides a process for electing a president if the vote is corrupted. Jenna Ellis argued that the media, had usurped the power to declare the winner of the election. She made the point, citing Federalist No. 68, that the constitutional process of selecting a president had procedural safeguards against corruption and foreign influence. Giuliani said that the campaign believed that enough votes were flawed — more than double the margins between Biden and Trump in key states — that the president had a path to victory.

As Giuliani himself said, anyone who says there is "no evidence" of mass voter fraud is lying. 

UPDATE: We will not back down, but Tucker Carlson appears to have cucked.

Tucker Carlson says Trump campaign unwilling to provide evidence to back their claims.

Forget the legal definitions of evidence. These people are not even speaking English correctly. 

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137 Comments:

Blogger Chip Hazard November 19, 2020 6:02 PM  

Jenna is a distant cousin.

Blogger CM November 19, 2020 6:18 PM  

And anyone says that you have to prove it in court is also lying.

You have to convince the people and the legislators. The court is just the means to get action against the people responsible for it.

But ultimately, it is the legislators that must be convinced. They should also impeach the judges who allowed this travesty and usurped the role of the legislature.

Blogger Seth S November 19, 2020 6:20 PM  

Trump should personally behead Biden when this is over.

Blogger Karl November 19, 2020 6:21 PM  

hey, I was able to post this link on Parler.

Blogger JD Curtis November 19, 2020 6:23 PM  

Oh yes, I have ZERO doubt what we are witnessing here is 'sedition' and indeed a 'coup'. My only question is how this writer got it exactly a$$ backwards

Blogger Emmanuel November 19, 2020 6:24 PM  

USA now faces more danger than after Pearl Harbor. Yet it is steered by one of the greatest american heroes. I wish justice is achieved for Trump, and justice is delivered to his opponents.

Blogger Balkan Yankee November 19, 2020 6:30 PM  

In technical terms, shit just got real.

Blogger Dafo November 19, 2020 6:37 PM  

The American system of government is getting a real test. Let’s hope its safeguards are not corrupted by the dem locusts.

Blogger MarkyMark November 19, 2020 6:39 PM  

That presser today was EPIC! Giuliani, Powell, and Ellis were all in fire today! I felt better after watching it.

Blogger nbfdmd November 19, 2020 6:39 PM  

I like their strategy. No arguable stuff about Benford's Law or god-knows-what. No hypotheticals. No statistical stuff that smart boys will point to and say "ackshuallly...". Just hard evidence of actual fuckery with actual votes and procedures.

Blogger scimitar November 19, 2020 6:41 PM  

God Bless DJT. The guy has stones.. Where are the GOP ?? Where are the Bushes ?? The GOPe and the never Trumpers don't realize the peril they are in. If they allow the election to be stolen the GOP will never win the POTUS ever again...

Blogger Inquisitor Benedictus November 19, 2020 6:41 PM  

Death to legacy media.

Blogger Redbeard November 19, 2020 6:43 PM  

I like John Rappaport's blog post today, he begs the question: Where are the court filings?

Blogger Cinco November 19, 2020 6:46 PM  

Matt Braynard stayed on a recent Charlie Kirk podcast that he had more than double the difference of fraudulent votes in Georgia. He plans to release all of the hard numbers of confirmed fraudulent ballots from all of the swing states this weekend. It’s telling though that a private individual with nine employees is the only entity actively investigating the fraud and securing affidavits. The swamp is deep and filled with rot.

Blogger Crew November 19, 2020 6:48 PM  

The Democrats must be pissing themselves ... perhaps they will try the JFK route.

Blogger Long Live The West November 19, 2020 6:51 PM  

"God Bless DJT. The guy has stones.. Where are the GOP ?? Where are the Bushes ?? The GOPe and the never Trumpers don't realize the peril they are in. If they allow the election to be stolen the GOP will never win the POTUS ever again..."

At which point those people will pat themselves on the back for a job well done.

Blogger Dos Voltz November 19, 2020 6:58 PM  

God, please, can we end this non-word "allegedly" for fuck sake?

Blogger Doktor Jeep November 19, 2020 6:59 PM  

Barmaid Occasional Cortex says we are trying to take away black votes.

She's right.

We're trying to take away two or three votes per black so it's only one vote.

Blogger map November 19, 2020 7:08 PM  

Is there a donate button to VD?

Blogger AJ November 19, 2020 7:15 PM  

The counterattack is on.
I'm really hoping that tomorrow (but it's Friday - so it may get postponed to next week), the second volley will have a frenzy that will utterly demoralize the media. So far, they've been doubling down but if the ratings start slipping, the Trump legal team will have driven a wedge deep enough for them to start cannibalizing each other.

Blogger The Lab Manager November 19, 2020 7:16 PM  

I started watching the recording now. It's over an hour, but I'm going to listen. The first 15 minutes by Rudy has some mind blowing stuff.

I'll also have to go read Federalist #68 as well.

Blogger van helsing November 19, 2020 7:21 PM  

11, they don't care. they were fake opposition anyway.

Blogger Newscaper312 November 19, 2020 7:23 PM  

All sounds great, and should be enough by itself in a sane-ish world. Always great to have the lists and enablers called out publicly. Simply standing up and calling a spade a spade has a power all it's own.
Re #8, still no hint as to claims of servers and hardest of hard data? If that was real would there be any reason to not have mentioned it today? It's not like the bad guys wouldn't know they've been raided.

Blogger stevev November 19, 2020 7:26 PM  

The Republicans and Bushes are where they think this will play out, the Court of Public Opinion.

Blogger Brett baker November 19, 2020 7:28 PM  

The Bushies will want to be known as Moderate Democrats in the future.

Blogger Andrew Jackson November 19, 2020 7:28 PM  

"where are the Bushes"please stop!

Blogger Hamilton November 19, 2020 7:32 PM  

Don’t stop at Biden

Blogger Sillon November 19, 2020 7:33 PM  

Giuliani taking the piss of CNN was epic!

Blogger dds November 19, 2020 7:34 PM  

Amazing to say this, but if Trump is sitting in the White House come February 2021, America will have become a VERY different place in just a few short months!!

Blogger onyomi November 19, 2020 7:37 PM  

I was a little worried Giuliani was being a showboat/glory hound after that funny but surreal moment when he stopped to advertise cigars in the middle of a message about the president's cases, but he really shone at that press conference, with the excoriation of the media being the icing on the cake.

Blogger Damelon Brinn November 19, 2020 7:39 PM  

Where are the Bushes ??

On the other side. Didn't they make that clear when they released the locker room tape right before the 2016 election? They don't care whether Republicans ever win again, if those Republicans aren't part of their gang like the last couple Democrats have been.

Blogger Occidental Renaissance November 19, 2020 7:40 PM  

The GOP is in a no-win situation. Better, in their minds, to be reduced to permanent 'opposition' than to be proven completely irrelevant.

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel November 19, 2020 7:41 PM  

Some thoughts.

1.) Larry C should be very gratified now.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2020/11/fuckery-is-afoot.html

His three days after the election list of what auditors call "analytical procedures" directly relate to most if not all nine points here. I hope that he gets credit for bird dogging the sources, nature and extent of the fraud. He was the guy with the "mostest and the firstest".

2 As we learn more about where and how these things occurred, we can be sure that past reports are true:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/nytimes-exposed-massive-scheme-democrats-pennslyvanias-election-system-1994

3.) The pre-election polling, which should have been suspect due to the catastrophic failure in 2016, was clearly about creating expectations not about accurate predictions. Vox was dead on. It occurs to me that pollsters can go on being wrong, because they produce results useful to their customers.

Was there less fear of Trump in 2016, did Hillary think she only needed a little fraud or was the infrastructure not desperate or developed enough to be brazen? Or maybe 24/7/365 Orange Man Bad was enough to have the workers swarm to protect the hive. It's like ever sleeper cell used every thing at its disposal, the goal of minimal conspicuity and detectability be damned.

4.) Any auditor's eyes would be opened by the assertion that individual ballots Could BE tallied without some sort of cancellation. In assessing controls, there are "tests of design" and "tests of operating effectiveness". First you see that it should work, and then that it actually does. The ability to resubmit a ballot would be a design flaw relative to a control objective that votes are counted only once. You would, as an auditor never accept such a situation as having adequate controls unless there were mitigating controls.

A simple example of an effective control against fraudulent reuse is offered by your local old time train ride. The conductor will take your ticket and remove a portion. He also punches a small hole in the rider's portion that shows the ticket has been presented for passage. It will be largely ceremonial as electronic ticketing systems take over but, it was is robust as it was simple. With other applications, BV Tool and M.C. Mieth will still make you a new punch, with your choice of hole shape. Personal hole shapes prevented theft by other conductors if they lost their punch.

The idea that a ballot submitted for tally is not marked with an insignia, herald, code, stripe or other indicia of prior use to prevent the fraud of resubmission could in itself explain the "over voting" (or even the ahistorical excess participation).

5.) I just read that there is now a prediction that the Dems will lose the House in 2022. There's a prospective tell. So they guy that supposedly garnered more votes than anybody in history, more than Obama or Hillary won't be popular enough to keep it?

If Trump does not prevail what comes next is unpleasant. He is all that stands between us and ANTIFA/BLM nation. God, grant him vigor and wisdom. Either way, we are a lot less naive about the potential for national scale election manipulation.






Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 19, 2020 7:42 PM  

map wrote:Is there a donate button to VD?
No.
You think he is in this for money?

Victory is life.

Blogger Sean November 19, 2020 7:43 PM  

I watched near the end of the press conference and the way Giuliani took on the penultimate reporter was epic:
- Which fake network are you from?
- We had lawyers back down from lawsuits because they fear for their lives because of your irresponsible reporting
- He compared the fake news media with "almost as dangerous, of even equivalent" to stealing the election

Blogger Other Josh November 19, 2020 7:51 PM  

Any more word/evidence on this story: https://greatgameindia.com/us-military-raided-scytl-germany/

This site says it was Scytl servers. Others claim it was Dominion servers. I just want to know if there is truth to it. Truth is stranger than fiction, and there seems to be a lot of weird stuff going on!

Blogger Sam November 19, 2020 7:53 PM  

Did you catch the part about the votes being counted "overseas?"

Blogger Newscaper312 November 19, 2020 8:03 PM  

Thanks, I'll try to find that. Was only able to catch some short bits, then scanning summaries.

Blogger VFM #7634 November 19, 2020 8:12 PM  


Barmaid Occasional Cortex says we are trying to take away black votes.

She's right.

We're trying to take away two or three votes per black so it's only one vote.


Ironically enough, they’re not representing blacks but only themselves with their ballot-box stuffing.

It’s a good bet the Democrats were actually wiping away a lot of black votes for Trump.

They’re projecting, as usual.

Blogger VFM #7634 November 19, 2020 8:15 PM  

This site says it was Scytl servers. Others claim it was Dominion servers. I just want to know if there is truth to it. Truth is stranger than fiction, and there seems to be a lot of weird stuff going on!

Scytl is the central hub for all computerized voting systems, not just Dominion. So seizing Scytl servers should be more useful than going after Dominion.

Blogger Cedric November 19, 2020 8:18 PM  

@36 From what I have seen across, it sounds correct. All the voting companies are incestual between themselves and the CIA from what I'm seeing, may have been a government building they raided, but it's hard to determine who is who.

I'm certain the raid is related to civilian special forces now reporting to the DoD, as announced by Miller and Cohen-Watnick recently. If loyalist elements of one of them was involved, then they now have a new chain of command and can report and hand off to loyalist DoD instead of through corrupt civilian agencies.

We'll have to see more later though.

Blogger Avalanche November 19, 2020 8:31 PM  

@34 "map wrote:
Is there a donate button to VD?
Snidley: No. You think he is in this for money?
Victory is life."

Snidely, that is kinda harsh to a new person here, beginning to awaken to reality. There are others out here who also wish to support Vox directly, which HE does not wish. I am not the only Ilk who asked Vox to let us 'support' him at Unauthorized.TV as we can Owen and The Legend and Wranglerstar and so on.

Vox chose to not do that. He told us to join UA.TV, or support Infogalactic, or buy his books and comics at Castalia or Arkhaven.

It's not a matter for we who have asked, of thinking Vox is "in it for the money"; it's a matter of wishing to SHOW how deep our appreciation and gratitude is for this place of refuge and education Vox provides.

MAP, go join Unauthorized.TV and give yourself the amazing gift of access to a gazillion videos that will help you grow.



Blogger crescent wrench November 19, 2020 8:38 PM  

Crowder somehow managed to keep a stream on CensorTube where he steps through wayne county's voter data showing dozens of districts with 0 registered voters and thousands of returned votes.. no doubt using 1.21 gigawatts and a flux capacitor.

Blogger Lazarus November 19, 2020 8:50 PM  

The Pitchfork Rebel wrote:5.) I just read that there is now a prediction that the Dems will lose the House in 2022.

It is quite possible they will lose it in 2020

Blogger ZhukovG November 19, 2020 8:54 PM  

Impressive, and I imagine Giuliani has a few Aces he hasn't played yet.

Ad Victoriam, Deo Vindice, Ave Caesar Trump!

Blogger crescent wrench November 19, 2020 8:54 PM  

@44

They've won enough officially-declared seats to maintain a single-seat majority.

This doesn't rule out 1 or more moderates becoming disgusted with antics like sending Antifa after people's children (or simply being bribed by the GOP) and swapping parties.

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 19, 2020 8:59 PM  

Allegedly....legalese for "seems".

We get this cleaned out maybe we can start dealing with the lawyers.

Blogger Stilicho November 19, 2020 9:02 PM  

Stop with the "civilian special forces" stuff. What was announced was creating an equivalent civilian leadership structure for spec ops forces as other branches of military have. Sort of the civilian/DOD partner of JSOC rather than leaving it divided among the respective branch secretaries to handle piecemeal.

I wasn't a fan of JSOC, and have serious doubts about this as well, but the forces being discussed are the various "spec ops" troops from the different military branches. At least getting their own budget will proba ly be helpful if nothing else.

Blogger D. November 19, 2020 9:15 PM  

" Q: What do you think of CIA Director Gina Haspel--stay or go?

Oh, she's gotta go.

Q: Why?

Well, because that facility that was raided in Germany was a CIA facility that was moving the data from Scorecard--not from Scorecard--but from Dominion voting booths. That's why they [DoJ?] went in there. I think my conversation--I think, I'm guessing on this--on Steve Bannon on the Monday before, it was around 2 o'clock in the day--alerted to them [the Trump team] that they had to get overseas with the servers, which they [Dominion] had there as a backup. And they turned up, they [the servers] were CIA.

I was trying to think of this. And based on what Sidney said yesterday--that she [Haspel] had to go--the fact is I think they [CIA in Germany] probably called her [Haspel, on election night] and said, 'Look, we're gonna hafta use our backup.' [When they realized the election wouldn't go to Biden without emergency measures.] See, they didn't have a backup in 2016--that's why they lost, that's all I can tell you."

The McInerney Theory

https://meaninginhistory.blogspot.com/2020/11/the-mcinerney-theory.html#more

Blogger Nostromo November 19, 2020 9:18 PM  

The Cabal monitored the election from Spain, watching the vote tabulations. The use of Dominion systems were programmed to funnel a certain percentage of votes away from Trump to Biden. Enough that they could win, and still maintain plausible deniability for voter fraud. The C_A was in charge of the monitoring. They had gameplanned maybe needing a plan B if the unthinkable happened and it was too big a wave to siphon off the votes, so the reliably corrupt Democrat cities all corralled their observers away from the counters. They did not expect to use them. When the Trumpslide occurred the Cabal called an audible, and counting stopped until the requisite # of ballots could be produced. A lot were on hand, pre-manyfactured, but many more were needed. The ballot counters(not America's best or brightest) panic, and in their hurry start running Biden ballots through 2 or 3 times. Then rely on your partners in crime, the media, to cover the theft of a country.

Blogger Cappuccinobear November 19, 2020 9:19 PM  

An interesting tidbit thats been known for years..

https://patriots4truth.org/2018/07/04/malloch-or-moloch-either-way-evil-is-as-evil-does/

Blogger thethirdcoast November 19, 2020 9:19 PM  

Everyone who predicted Tucker would eventually take 30 pieces of silver was right:

https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1329597175869935616

Blogger Crew November 19, 2020 9:25 PM  

As Giuliani himself said, anyone who says there is "no evidence" of mass voter fraud is lying.

And the #LyingMSM is full of lying liars!

Blogger Quietpaw123 animal jam! November 19, 2020 9:38 PM  

Vox sells a bunch of stuff, that’s about as close as anything I’ve seen where he accepts money. But I could be wrong.

Blogger VFM #7634 November 19, 2020 9:38 PM  

They've won enough officially-declared seats to maintain a single-seat majority.

Assuming they don’t lose a declared seat or two through lawfare.

Blogger Quietpaw123 animal jam! November 19, 2020 9:38 PM  

Vox sells a bunch of stuff, that’s about as close as anything I’ve seen where he accepts money. But I could be wrong.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 19, 2020 9:39 PM  

Avalanche wrote:Snidely, that is kinda harsh to a new person here, beginning to awaken to reality.
I will admit to being a semi-pro asshole on the internet for free.

On the other hand, map has been around a while.

Blogger braq November 19, 2020 9:39 PM  

I saw a comment on the chans that called it "They will be talking about his sweating for weeks!"

Optics are like visual rhetoric, and #SweatGate is what the LyingPress has gone with if you glance at the agitprop over on Drudge.
"Hundreds of sworn affidavits + statistical evidence indicating US elections were hacked in a coordinated nationwide conspiracy with the help of foreign entities? Who cares - look at Rudy's hair dye leaking onto his face!"

I've never watched Rudy before, he's pretty entertaining and well-spoken. I barely noticed the sweating until the LyingPress pointed it out.

Blogger Chip Hazard November 19, 2020 9:43 PM  

The Republicans are the Democrats are the Republicans...

The End is the Beginning is the End...

Wake up.

Populism. They need to go back.

Blogger Sam November 19, 2020 9:44 PM  

@46
Politicians aren't governed by morality, but power. If Trump appears to be the strong horse and can insure those who support him won't be murdered by antifa you'll get some Democrats crossing over to save their skin from their enemies and their 'friends'.

Anyone else think a rebrand as the National Union Party is in the works come civil war or do you think Trump has another name in mind?

Blogger Rambam November 19, 2020 9:55 PM  

Greatest hoax ever:
Lunar Landing or Covid 19?

Blogger Crew November 19, 2020 10:02 PM  

My wife was euphoric after she watch the presentation by Giuliani today.

She felt that Trump was going to win. I hope she is right!

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 19, 2020 10:02 PM  

I actually liked the Tucker segment. Sydney has the goods and doesn't need to waste her time and case arguing on Fox.

Blogger braq November 19, 2020 10:10 PM  

RT has a good pair of articles contrasting actual reporting with rhetorical propaganda on this topic.

It's afraid - but it also knows what its NPC minions will be most easily consume and fixate upon.

Blogger Asun November 19, 2020 10:37 PM  

Highlight from the presser:
https://streamable.com/9q5ptt

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 19, 2020 10:46 PM  

Rambam wrote:Greatest hoax ever:

Lunar Landing or Covid 19?

People have been taking the LL seriously for decades now. The Chinkypox will likely be a fading memory by February.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 19, 2020 10:51 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:I will admit to being a semi-pro asshole on the internet for free.

On the other hand, map has been around a while.

I did think that map's question showed good intentions, even if it was a little tone deaf.

Contribute to Vox's projects if you want to help him out. There is social/infogalactic, unauthorized, the several book projects, the comic books ... Vox is building platforms and winning the culture wars. Backing that stuff lets us take a tiny part in the wins.

Blogger Doom November 19, 2020 11:03 PM  

Other Josh wrote:Any more word/evidence on this story: https://greatgameindia.com/us-military-raided-scytl-germany/

This site says it was Scytl servers. Others claim it was Dominion servers. I just want to know if there is truth to it. Truth is stranger than fiction, and there seems to be a lot of weird stuff going on!


I have heard it was both. One in Germany, at least, one in Spain, and possibly another in Canada? Though, to be honest, there may have been others. The German one, I believe, was Scytl. The others, from various sources, seem mostly to be Dominion.

Sources? Look around. I've had two or three various sources, but haven't kept track. Oh, and believe nothing. Skepticism is good. Just go for the ride, or don't.

Blogger Doktor Jeep November 19, 2020 11:18 PM  

I see the leftist shills trying to blow this Tucker thing up into something bigger.

Sometimes perhaps some things are bigger than the needs of punditry.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 19, 2020 11:19 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:I did think that map's question showed good intentions,
I'm sure you are right.
I repent of my asshole response. I'm sorry map.

If you want to support Vox, support his platform building efforts;
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Link the Darkstreams to your friends.
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When you want to cite a reliable source on the Internet, link to Infogalactic.

These all help out the effort, and they are great resources on their own merits.
If you want to send money to Vox, buy the books he writes. And read them, they're great books. And review them. Even so-so reviews boost the numbers and make the books more visible.

Blogger Unknown November 19, 2020 11:29 PM  

@3. I would pay top $$$ to watch that on live tv.

Blogger tdcommenter November 19, 2020 11:29 PM  

I'm seeing ytube videos about prosecuting Trump & rando headlines at hotair, which I stopped checking, about "Why it would be good for the country to pardon Trump". Projection & demoralizing still abound.

As for me, for the first time, I will need to watch the donation limits for a Federal election.

Blogger map November 19, 2020 11:47 PM  

Snidely and all,

Hey, I don't take the comment as harsh. I've subscribed to a monthly tier on Patreon for the last couple months.

I just wanted to do an impulse donation and I was looking for a "donate" button.

No biggie.

Anonymous Anonymous November 19, 2020 11:53 PM  

Well, every single thing VD has been saying here came right out of Rudy Giuliani's mouth this afternoon at the press conference. BTW, one of the lady lawyers was sweating like a racehorse too. Is there is a drug that can do that to someone? Or did somebody on staff get paid to run up the heat? It reminded me of when Condoleezza Rice spoke at the RNC years ago and had lipstick on her teeth. Someone probably slipped her makeup artist a couple of thousand to make her look bad. I have a feeling that the entire RNC and Conservatism, Inc., is riddled with infiltrators.

I hope Tucker hasn't taken the ticket but he might well have been threatened. At this point, for the President's lawyers to share all their evidence with Tucker would ensure that only those on the right see it, and give the left permission to ignore it, not to mention spilling all their beans before they get to court.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 19, 2020 11:56 PM  

map wrote:I've subscribed to a monthly tier on Patreon for the last couple months.

Oh, good point. I forgot about that.

Anyone who wants to help out can subscribe to Patreon for $20 and get a book every month, in paperback.

Blogger Jack Tanner November 20, 2020 12:02 AM  

I'd like nothing more than to settle some old scores when that day comes.

Blogger God Emperor Memes November 20, 2020 12:06 AM  

"Chinkypox" has entered my lexicon. Thank you.

Blogger Jack Amok November 20, 2020 12:13 AM  

I just wanted to do an impulse donation and I was looking for a "donate" button.

I just assume the "donate" button is labelled "buy" and is over on the Castalia House website.

Blogger Gettimothy November 20, 2020 12:24 AM  

"do you think Trump has another name in mind?"

Yes.

"Trump"

Blogger Trid November 20, 2020 12:28 AM  

@mother country

Take a room the size of a largish home's living room, cram 20-30 people in it, shut down ventilation to prevent microphone interference, and erect two very bright lights for the cameras. Anyone would sweat buckets like that, and you don't even need that many people to do it.

When briefing leaders in the army we'd have 5-6 of them, 3 of us, and a projector in a 200 sqft room and within 30 minutes we'd have sweat running down our faces and backs. It's stupid and wholly avoidable but it keeps happening

Blogger IAMSpartacus0000 November 20, 2020 12:37 AM  

Yes, Parler had many links not just this site that were erroneously invalidated. They fixed it earlier this week.

Blogger liberranter November 20, 2020 12:49 AM  

I sincerely hope that one of the first things Trump does following his inauguration is to permanently revoke the White House press credentials of the entirety of the MSM. They have proven themselves to be liars of a criminal kind and do NOT deserve official access to any information released from the White House. We know that they're going to continue to lie nonstop and in the most egregious manner possible anyway, so there is no reason to give them official access by which to do so. Indeed, by committing themselves to lying as a matter of Standard Operating Procedure, the morons have effectively removed every ounce of leverage the might have ever had.

Blogger Shimshon November 20, 2020 12:49 AM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:map wrote:I've subscribed to a monthly tier on Patreon for the last couple months.

Oh, good point. I forgot about that.

Anyone who wants to help out can subscribe to Patreon for $20 and get a book every month, in paperback.


Snidely, do you have any inside info on the selections? I was a $20 subscriber but went down to $3 last month when Jordanetics was being offered, which I already had. I would like to resume, even for November, but I don't want to end up with books I already own.

Blogger Azimus November 20, 2020 1:18 AM  

He has no evidence to evaluate. Nobody bats 1.000% not even Big Bear. He'll come around when it counts.

Blogger Doktor Jeep November 20, 2020 1:18 AM  

I think that whole "delivery of Hunter Biden docs" getting lost in the mail that Tucker did a while back seems fishy to the lawyers. It certainly does seem strange.

Blogger Grooveware November 20, 2020 1:35 AM  

Public hangings would deter this fraudulent behaviour in the future.

Anonymous Anonymous November 20, 2020 1:46 AM  

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/10/senate-republicans

And if Trump is a Russian asset, again I say...who cares?! Operations with heads of state are notoriously unreliable and tend always resort to liaison plus that wants to pretend to be an asset but really isn't because "puppets" are only puppets when it's in their interest. Noriega was an asset- how'd that go? we flipped the Ba'athists into being "puppets" - how'd that go again?? Obama's father was a west african communist, known Cuban Commie recruitment stomping grounds, but hey! he's sort of black so Obama could never be considered an asset. Jimmy Carter is actively consorting with Cuban disinfo agent William Leogrande via GWU's National Security archive scam, but HEY he could never be an asset! JFK is sleeping with Cord Meyer's communist wife and is familially connected to and sexually competing over women with bisexual orgies king crypto-nihilist Gore Vidal-- BUT HEY he could never be an asset!! The only person whose back channel connections is unacceptable to the permabureacracy is Trump- the only president who's done a good thing for this country in my entire life. Let him be an asset I don't even care- this would change nothing. Why not form an alliance with another european nation while the entire world tries to kill off europeans?

What's most infuriating is this audacious claim to the 9/11 Commission Report as a basis to bully the cabinet into the 25th amendment coup, claiming maybe kinda sorta according to the rambling of analysts who conclude exactly and only what the DO (maybe it's since been renamed?) tells them to conclude based upon their chosen reporting streams that maybe if the transition were smoother in 2000 maybe 9/11 wouldn't have happened!! What a shameless thing to resort to. Shame on you people. How about wasting an entire year of collection and analysis on UBL focusing on him as merely a finance guy rather than a planner due to an erroneous analytic line, as one CTC guy once complained...or maybe even, yes, Deep State networks were involved and thus it was inevitable due to internal and external sabotage - "deep state" being a phrase I first heard said in perfect seriousness by an analyst who intended to use it in a final product...maybe THAT contributed more to 9/11 than your shameless never ending exploitation of that event for your own crazed pursuit for power?? What's even more enraging is that this could doubly be taken as an obscene threat by them, a veiled threat of a false flag terror attack on their own populace to justify seizure of power if things don't go their way. Do they have pressing intel of a planned attack by china or Iran? If so they should get to preparations and stop conspiring in shadowy corners to get that next EPA that all the SISes hand out to each other in a giant circle jerk.

My list is beautiful long and glorious. We should get real creative with things when the real purges emerge, Operation Mongoose style (alas, they will probably never come, as I gamble all these guys are in on this treason together...but one can dream). Proposition one: defenestrate the Czech in the tradition of his homeland. Or perhaps polonium in his favorite e-cigarette/vaping device he thinks makes him look cool? Mary Meyer the insubordinate wench. Mongooses are very creative indeed. How about it? Yes??? ...No? ;( Sigh

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 20, 2020 2:11 AM  

I have literally no inside information at all. Vox does not discuss his businesses with me. In fact, I only interact with Vox here, or via email very infrequently. The last time I sent him an email was over a year ago.

I too was disappointed by Jordanetics, mostly because, like Vox, I smelled the fraud on him from the start. I didn't need the extended argument. But I loved the hell out of both Lawdog Files and Lawdog in Africa.

Blogger My Comment November 20, 2020 2:51 AM  

I hope the news about the seizure of the servers is real and that there will be a true dissection of the data found. My guess is that the true picture of the vote may be radically different in other races and not just Trump. I really want to see the statistics on federal and state legislative races. They could have just a easily programed in switching gop votes to democratic ones on senate races as they did in the presidential one

Blogger Shimshon November 20, 2020 2:54 AM  

It's not that I was disappointed by the book, although I too never took him him seriously. I already own it. But in the future, people will scratch their heads wondering why Vox not only wrote the book, but how on earth it could justify making it a priority to the point of temporarily sidelining other projects.

I've got the Lawdog in Africa book. I have not received the other one. Did they come in one or two packages for you?

Blogger John Williams November 20, 2020 3:15 AM  

Avalanche, tone policing anyone is setting a bad example. You should know better.

Blogger Akulkis November 20, 2020 3:38 AM  

No, he BEGETS the question.

Begging the question is using your conclusion as evidence that your conclyis true.

There are many ways to prove that the bible is true and the wordeof God, but referencing statements within the bible itself saying such is not the way to do it, as that is begging the question.

Blogger Corvidae November 20, 2020 3:40 AM  

Hello everyone. Long time lurker, first time commenter. I have a question regarding the recounts in Georgia and I hope someone can share some insight. Georgia also used Dominion, and yet the hand recount has not uncovered any shifting of voters there. If what Sidney Powell was saying was true, would we not expect to find a very different number with a hand recount? Not trying to negative or blackpilled here. I'm genuinely curious.

Blogger Akulkis November 20, 2020 3:41 AM  

"Allegedly" is a legal protection against being sued for libel and fraud.

Blogger Akulkis November 20, 2020 3:46 AM  

"Where are the Bushes ??”

Who in the hell cares where any members of that thoroughly corrupt family is.

Blogger CoolHand November 20, 2020 4:34 AM  

Those Lawdog books are some of the funniest things I've ever read.

The actual laughing out loud while reading alone on African Adventures was on-par with The Missionaries, and a couple of stories surpassed even it.

All three of those books are worth whatever they cost to obtain, I assure you.

Blogger Shrugger November 20, 2020 5:15 AM  

Wondering if the media will be able to disappear these accusations and evidence. I know they will try.

Blogger Unknown November 20, 2020 5:41 AM  

Haven't they found e-mails from Tucker Carlson on Hunter Biden's laptop? People need to be careful when it comes to news outlets or social media. They first try to build a reputation. But they only do so in order to be able to increase the reach of their propaganda machine. There will be a new Fox News tomorrow (apparently News Max, or whatever the name is, is the new incarnation) just as Parler will become the next twitter etc etc.

Blogger NobobyExpects November 20, 2020 5:53 AM  

Corvidae, there was no recount in Georgia. Have a look here:

https://www.breitbart.com/news/explainer-is-georgias-upcoming-ballot-audit-a-recount/

Blogger Akulkis November 20, 2020 5:55 AM  

>> And if Trump is a Russian asset, again I say...who cares?!

Other than during the Cold War, Russia has always been one of our best allies, and I would certainly trust Putin, a Christian, with the well-being of our country than I would the leadership of the DNC and all of the judeo-satanists who run and finance that party.

Blogger wreckage November 20, 2020 6:12 AM  

@93 1. Is the count complete? 2. Was the shifting dynamic? 3. Did the shifting occur everywhere or only in particular places or after a particular time? 4. Are the Dominion systems in question direct voting type, marksense type, or tabulation type?
One of those probably answers the question.

Blogger Corvidae November 20, 2020 6:46 AM  

NobodyExpects, from that article

The specific type of audit that Georgia has chosen is known as “risk-limiting.” It involves checking paper ballots against machine tallies to ensure the accuracy of those machines. This year was the first time Georgia used a fleet of ballot-marking, voting machines that produce a paper record of every ballot cast in person.

Risk-limiting audits typically start with an initial sample of ballots. That sample increases depending on the level of discrepancies that are found. This kind of audit ends when either election officials reach a certain level of confidence that the outcome is correct or a full count has been performed. It is not meant to produce results that are an exact match to a previous tally.

But Georgia election officials say they will be reviewing every ballot to start. They say it will be easier for county officials to manage because the large number of ballots and the close margin are likely to result in a tally of every ballot anyway.


Would not "checking paper ballots against machine tallies" uncover switched votes? Am I missing something?

Blogger Paulito November 20, 2020 6:48 AM  

Tucker had more important things to cover, like Democrats not following Commie Flu rules. Those are more important than election rules, donchaknow?

Blogger Avalanche November 20, 2020 7:01 AM  

@57 "I will admit to being a semi-pro asshole on the internet for free."

And I enjoy and respect your @ssholery; you ARE definitely a master.

However, it's hard for new-ish folks (or folks just beginning to want to support Vox Day) to find directions for ways to do so. Being a girl-sperg -- sorry, I really am trying to get better -- I struggle to avoid pointing 'lost' folks toward the map (ha.) to the promised land.

Blogger Harambe November 20, 2020 7:14 AM  

Stage lighting is hot. It's just a thing that is how it is. No on was paid to make anyone hot and sweaty.

Also Giuliani is allowed to let his grey hair show. He should even grow a nice beard. Just look at the difference it made to Ted Cruz.

Blogger Avalanche November 20, 2020 7:16 AM  

@93 "Georgia also used Dominion, and yet the hand recount has not uncovered any shifting of voters there. If what Sidney Powell was saying was true, would we not expect to find a very different number with a hand recount?"

Metaphor: I have 1,000 $1 bills. *Some* number of them are counterfeit. If I re-count all 1,000 bills, will I get any idea which are real and which not?

GA is carefully, specifically, NOT validating signatures or submission dates or otherwise trying to determine which ballots were falsely presented. Election-theatre.

Blogger Avalanche November 20, 2020 7:18 AM  

@98 "Haven't they found e-mails from Tucker Carlson on Hunter Biden's laptop?"

"Allegedly" {wink} Tucker and Hunter have been good friends for some number of years. I haven't seen proof, haven't cared to investigate -- but read past that somewhere.

Blogger The Lab Manager November 20, 2020 7:18 AM  

Interesting that Tucker's segment focused only on the software fraud. Even without the software fraud (that I do not doubt) it's clear each of the states made a cluster f__k of the mail in ballots, violated their own election laws/rules, dead people were voting, ballot harvesting, ballots with Biden only and no downstream votes, and several other issues most of which were enumerated by Rudy in the first half hour or more that he spoke.

Blogger mjusiq November 20, 2020 7:31 AM  

@74 and others. Giuliani and the sweating. I cant find the video I saw of the press conference - but I was very surprised to see how Giuliani was lit up by what seems as very heavy lamps/spots - straight down on his head. I found a picture illustrating it though - my suspicious meter went up:

https://www.document.no/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/rudy-sidney-powell-19-jacquelyn-martin-1024x683.jpg

Blogger Corvidae November 20, 2020 7:33 AM  

@106
Yes I understand that, but there are two separate claims here. One is that ballots were forged, and another is that Dominion was switching legitimate votes from Trump to Biden. My question relates to the second claim, that if Dominion was switching votes, would not the recount ( or whatever you want to call what Georgia is doing ) uncover that?

Guiliani did not seem to think that the recount would change anything, so that would indicate to me that Trumps team either did not think Dominion was switching votes in Georgia, or that the votes were switched in such a way that the recount would not find them.

Blogger wreckage November 20, 2020 8:01 AM  

@98 the machines prints a paper receipt. If the machine was hacked, it will produce a fraudulent electronic vote, and a hardcopy of the fraudulent vote for later "auditing".

But don't believe me, believe the New York Times!
https://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/100000005790489/i-hacked-an-election-so-can-the-russians.html

Blogger matism November 20, 2020 8:19 AM  

Nothing more than the tribe in action, yet again, as they yearn for the "good old days" of their Messiahs - Lenin and Stalin - who they helped murder FIFTY MILLION across Russia and Eastern Europe. But those do not count, since they were mostly only Goyim!!!!!!!

The "bullet box" is almost here.

Blogger Corvidae November 20, 2020 8:32 AM  

@111
I'm assuming that comment was targeted at me. I'm hesitant to believe the New York Times, but I will believe you. Thank you, that answers my question.

Blogger tuberman November 20, 2020 8:33 AM  

I believe Tucker's audience was already down by 31% before the latest strings being pulled by his masters just due to being on Fox. Now... Tucker is Toast, Burnt Toast. Watch the drop, worse than the NBA.

Blogger Balkan Yankee November 20, 2020 9:28 AM  

Cucker Tarlson.

Get some.

Blogger MidnightSun November 20, 2020 9:55 AM  

@112
THIS is why our children are no longer taught any kind of truthful history. It the same evil trying to provoke a revolution here like they have in every country where banking is introduced; This has been going on for decades if not centuries; They cause the revolution then go in and rape said country of all resources and wealth. Argentina and Ireland are just two countries I have familial ties with and the absolute devastation and misery suffered just recently in these countries is astonishing! And nobody till now has had the balls to fight against it. Most people don't even realize whats happened. With the fraud of elections that we now know has happened worldwide the children of darkness have been exposed. We now have 80 million+ strong ready to fight. And this does not include the rest of the world who are now catching on to the vile deeds of this globalist cabal. Pray for GEOTUS to prevail. We cannot lose this war.

Onward Christian Soldiers!

Blogger RedPillPaul November 20, 2020 10:10 AM  

Just a thought but vote switching is likely as they cant let the public know that Trump won the popular vote. He probably won the popular vote in 2016 as well. Any "victory" to help their narrative.

This go around, it was such a landslide, they had to stop the count and add more votes. You can only switch so much. No "proof" just a gut feeling

Blogger Azimus November 20, 2020 10:27 AM  

VD: UPDATE: We will not back down, but Tucker Carlson appears to have cucked. Tucker Carlson says Trump campaign unwilling to provide evidence to back their claims.

Full disclosure I like Tucker Carlson. He's done a lot of good including I think, keeping us out of the Syrian War by standing up to false flag chemical weapons attacks in Syria [by demanding evidence]. I don't think asking for evidence is cucking. If Joe Biden were claiming the election was rigged, you all would doubtless be asking for evidence, and nodding in assent when Tucker did same. The only evidence provided at the press conference related to Dominion was elements of an affadavit from a former Venezuelan, which by Rudy's very definition in the same press conference is circumstantial evidence at best.

I don't understand this emotion-driven fury to turn on anyone who expresses the slightest variation from true north. We should put our collective big girl panties on, stop looking for enemies everywhere. No two men think the same exact thing at the same exact time about any topic of substance, much less 75 - 80 million. Its early and its going to take time. The evidence and the truth will come out. Have patience. Trust the plan. The Lord knows His own and will guide them to the truth.

Blogger Seth S November 20, 2020 10:30 AM  

Giuliani was epic and so was Jenna Ellis, The tall lady's voice wavered a lot.

Blogger Doc November 20, 2020 10:30 AM  

Tucker is a controlled pressure relief valve.
"You tell 'em Tuck!"
"Our man Tuck sure showed 'em. We're lucky to have him."
Nom, nom, nom, crunch, burp...

Blogger steve November 20, 2020 10:44 AM  

Don't expect me to take you seriously when you put Rudy in charge of anything. The guy is a clown who does nothing but hurt Trump when he opens his mouth.

Blogger VD November 20, 2020 11:07 AM  

I don't understand this emotion-driven fury to turn on anyone who expresses the slightest variation from true north.

Because you are either standing strong against the demoralization campaign or you are aiding it. Tucker is aiding it. No one is saying he is the enemy, we are saying that he has waved a token of surrender at the enemy.

Blogger VD November 20, 2020 11:09 AM  

The only evidence provided at the press conference related to Dominion was elements of an affadavit from a former Venezuelan, which by Rudy's very definition in the same press conference is circumstantial evidence at best.

What part of "you don't present evidence at press conferences" is hard to understand? Have you ever seen a science experiment performed at the press conference or do they talk about a summary of the evidence concerned?

Blogger mrpinks November 20, 2020 12:03 PM  

Here we go: crossing the Rubicon in progress.
The God Emperor is on his way!

Blogger Seth S November 20, 2020 12:08 PM  

This doesn't make Tucker irredeemable but he is showing weakness here when he had seemed fearless in the past.

Blogger Azimus November 20, 2020 12:17 PM  

122. VD November 20, 2020 11:07 AM
Because you are either standing strong against the demoralization campaign or you are aiding it. Tucker is aiding it. No one is saying he is the enemy, we are saying that he has waved a token of surrender at the enemy.


In the context of "at this present time", I don't disagree, it is a surrender token. However its also true that (more) evidence is coming. My only point was that all of Napoleon's soldiers loved him, but only the Guard showed unflinching devotion to his every whim and utterance. That didn't mean that the infantry of the line was the enemy of France.

123. VDNovember 20, 2020 11:09 AM
What part of "you don't present evidence at press conferences" is hard to understand? Have you ever seen a science experiment performed at the press conference or do they talk about a summary of the evidence concerned?


The only reason I brought this up was to clarify that Tucker was asking for further/direct evidence specific to Dominion, not the charges of fraud as a whole. I have the Guardsman's outlook - I have no difficulty believing Giuliani and Powell without direct evidence, my family and I have personally committed and taken action in Wisconsin. Tucker has the Line Infantry outlook - he can gather the courage to attack if the commander proves the moment is ripe for success by leading the charge. Maybe Tucker thought it was more important to energize the normies and encourage them onto the attack? I don't know. The whole thrust of my statement was he isn't the enemy.

Blogger RC November 20, 2020 12:27 PM  

"Giuliani was epic and so was Jenna Ellis, The tall lady's voice wavered a lot."

The tall lady's voice always wavers. Don't be fooled.

Blogger RC November 20, 2020 12:41 PM  

Though I'm still seeking a dataset time stamped by precinct, even the time stamped NYT state data is beyond convincing. In Georgia, starting with the first tranche of votes after Biden took the lead, the next 58 reports were DJT at 49.95% and Biden at 50.05%. Then at 11/7 23:52 Biden received 85.9% out of 7K votes. Then the pattern resumed for the next 38 tranches going 49.90% for DJT and 50.10% for Biden. Impossible unless directed. Even then, foolish, unless it's a four fingers moment.

Blogger VD November 20, 2020 12:41 PM  

The whole thrust of my statement was he isn't the enemy.

True. But he also isn't a) a leader or b) someone in whom you should place any trust.

Blogger Azimus November 20, 2020 1:18 PM  

128. VDNovember 20, 2020 12:41 PM
True. But he also isn't a) a leader or b) someone in whom you should place any trust.


That's fair.

Blogger Damelon Brinn November 20, 2020 1:28 PM  

Because you are either standing strong against the demoralization campaign or you are aiding it. Tucker is aiding it.

Right. He just handed the media a talking point: "Look, even right-wing Trump supporter Tucker Carlson says they can't produce any evidence." That will be more demoralizing to Trump supporters who don't know the whole context than a thousand statements from CNN.

Blogger map November 20, 2020 2:32 PM  

Corvidae wrote:If what Sidney Powell was saying was true, would we not expect to find a very different number with a hand recount? Not trying to negative or blackpilled here. I'm genuinely curious.

Georgia did not do a proper recount. That is why Lin Wood is trying to get an injunction against Georgia for certifying an improper count.

Blogger MidnightSun November 20, 2020 4:30 PM  

@map

I don't know if anyone mentioned this upblog but a recount is counting the same ballots that were entered into voting machines. An 'audit' is what is needed as each ballot and/or envelope is examined by both parties for timestamp, fraud, illegal markings etc,.

Blogger Hercules, not that one though November 20, 2020 7:53 PM  

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
Ephesians 6:12

When we are done thinking we are in control, and being super smart , will we put on the armor of God, and follow Geo. Washington's lead by getting on our knees? Can gamers do that? It doesn't cost anything to make Trump your Savior. Jesus asks for a little more.

Blogger OvergrownHobbit November 21, 2020 1:19 AM  

@34 "map wrote: Is there a donate button to VD?"

Snidley
[responded]: No. You think he is in this for money? Victory is life." ~ Avalanche

Or, give the real gift. Figure out how to edit infogalactic and put in the time to update and add to any topical areas of interest. And recruit other tech a minded people to do so.

Build up, build over, build around.

Blogger Avalanche November 21, 2020 6:46 AM  

@105 "No on was paid to make anyone hot and sweaty."

On the contrary -- when the yuuuuge push for 'global warming: we'll all gonna DIE!' was being made against the Congress, Al Gore and his handlers prepared the meeting room in hot, humid, height-of-summer room the D.C committee was meeting in, by turning down the A/C, opening some windows, and making the room truly 'Southern-unbearable' for the Congresscritters to listen to lies about the end of the globe in high heat and dead reefs...

Manipulation by environmental conditions is a massively effective manipulation, because folks don't consciously notice it, they just feel uncomfortable, and attribute it to the TOPIC, not their controlled surroundings.

Blogger Avalanche November 21, 2020 6:50 AM  

@109 "I was very surprised to see how Giuliani was lit up by what seems as very heavy lamps/spots"

And what professional lighting crew today does NOT use LED bulbs? Lamps that do NOT heat up -- neither the bulbs themselves or the objects/folks those lamps are focused on? To make the saying more accurate: Never attribute to stupidity what can explained away by malice!

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