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Tuesday, December 22, 2020

Banishing the Fake Pope

Disclose is reporting that a Vatican source claims Fake Pope Francis will stop pretending to hold the position he's never held after Christmas.

One wonders if this might be related to a certain U.S. President crossing a certain river in Italy that isn't the Tiber.

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Blogger Anonymous December 22, 2020 8:32 PM  

Please Dear Lord, let this be true!

Blogger Karen took the Kids December 22, 2020 8:34 PM  

The Lavender mafia runs deep, he'll be replaced with another degenerate.

Blogger Glaivester December 22, 2020 8:36 PM  

Any thoughts on the provisions in the COVID stimulus that would in effect negate the Insurrection Act? If they can override his veto, can this stop him?

Blogger Jack Ward December 22, 2020 8:37 PM  

The God Emperor may go down in US history as the most active swimming President ever. Crossing all these rivers right now he ought to be baiting hooks daily and making some interesting catches. Then, grilling carefully basting with the finest herbs and sauces, and served with his tradition spring water while we peasants enjoy with a fine chianti.

Blogger Hammerli 280 December 22, 2020 8:42 PM  

This could have interesting consequences. TWO retired Popes running around?

Blogger Dos Voltz December 22, 2020 8:44 PM  

As a thousand year-old Catholic who's now anti-Catholic, this gave me the biggest laugh of 2020.

Lepanto was grand.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein December 22, 2020 8:44 PM  

A Po chance is better than no chance?

*ducks*

Blogger Hilton's House December 22, 2020 8:44 PM  

My only hesitation to be overjoyed is the fact that the Vatican Swamp needs a complete draining. Maybe this is time for a certain Venetian to lead a charge....

Blogger Arthur Isaac December 22, 2020 8:53 PM  

So, three popes? Catholic unholy trinity?

Blogger Dole December 22, 2020 8:56 PM  

Fake presidents go with fake popes.

Cast the die!

On related news I heard something about the Pope conducting the important duty of checking out and "liking" instagram models. Can't comment if true, but reflects our preposterous state perfectly. A Rubicon crossing is needed.

Blogger tuberman December 22, 2020 8:57 PM  

"Good News" indeed.

Blogger NewTunesForOldLogos December 22, 2020 8:59 PM  

This would make the very best Feast of Epiphany, since the first one.

Blogger Brian Davis December 22, 2020 8:59 PM  

Man, I feel like that is a little to much for my brain to contemplate happening. I feel like we may have front row seats to some of the best history that was ever written. What a time to be alive

Blogger Doktor Jeep December 22, 2020 9:02 PM  

Where's that "The plot thickens" riff?
No not the porn one. The other one.

Blogger Warunicorn December 22, 2020 9:03 PM  

Interesting. Very interesting.

Blogger DrM December 22, 2020 9:11 PM  

This blog has been a rare source of optimism for me since I found it earlier this year. This sort of post is exactly why. Some of your prognostications seem unrealistic at first glance, until I remember that the devil is not the only force in play here on earth. God willing these devils will be driven out of government and church alike.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 22, 2020 9:12 PM  

Bullshit clickbait and wishful thinking.

Blogger PeopleMakerBear December 22, 2020 9:14 PM  

Even if Trump were to make the bold move I don’t see how this would translate to anything happening to the Pope who is in Italy.

Blogger D. December 22, 2020 9:20 PM  

President Trump has granted a full pardon to George Papadopoulos (Daily Caller).

https://gab.com/thebias_news/posts/105426595246052323

Blogger Unknown December 22, 2020 9:21 PM  

I wonder if this has anything to do with Epstein and the years of child abuse. The catholic church has yet to seriously address the issue. Sick people involved for decades.

Blogger Tom December 22, 2020 9:23 PM  

Benedict XVI is and always was the sole legitimate pontiff. Francis the Jesuit Marxist (BIRM)never was the true head of the Catholic faith. Let him leave and restore the true heir of Saint Peter.

Blogger Shane Bradman December 22, 2020 9:23 PM  

Bergoglio and his gay cardinals are evil. Their "nativity" scene is blasphemous at best, and downright Satanic if you look at it for more than a second. I don't think the Mother Church will be purged of demonic influence any time soon, but I am hoping and praying it's soon.

Blogger M. Bibliophile December 22, 2020 9:29 PM  

I tend to agree with Snidely: color me skeptical. However, I did find it interesting that our prayers at mass on Sunday were specifically directed towards Pope Benedict. I didn't hear anything for Francis, but then I may just have missed it. It would certainly make for interesting times.

I do not know, so I shall pray. As always.

Blogger Crunchy Cachalot December 22, 2020 9:30 PM  

What would this change for the Cuck-o-lick Church? Certainly American Cuck-o-licks have demonstrated they're transcendentally worthless (check out #3, 5, and 7).

Blogger Unknown December 22, 2020 9:34 PM  

You have to understand, that the Church has a leftwing and rightwing, just like the deep state. They have liberals and traditionalists. They can be very different, but are as one on two key issues:

Mass immigration from Latin America into the U.S. and covering up and downplaying the sexual abuse scandal.

From Father Martin of America Magazine to E. Michael Jones of Culture Wars Magazine, they are of one mind in their lack of respect for boundaries.

All are welcome. All are welcome. All are welcome, in this place.

Blogger cyrus83 December 22, 2020 9:36 PM  

Catholic websites have been reporting on several billion that has been mysteriously transferred to Australia in the last several years from the Vatican, it is rumored some news is coming out on that immanently, which might explain the move.

However, a bunch of cardinals were just created last month, so perhaps the powers behind Bergoglio think they now have enough votes to ram through who they really want and no longer need the nearly 84-year old man. At this time a conclave would be made up of 16 from John Paul II, 39 from Benedict XVI, and 73 from Francis, with a 2/3 majority required for an election.

That said, if one holds Francis to be an anti-pope, as I think is the case due to Benedict's resignation being either flawed or coerced, Francis abdicating may result in another anti-pope being elected, since any conclave would be invalid with Benedict still alive. Such a conclave would also be invalid and elect an anti-pope if one holds that neither Benedict XVI nor John Paul II were legit.

Blogger basementhomebrewer December 22, 2020 9:37 PM  

If Trump is rolling up the Globalist, Francis is on the list. He couldn't make his affiliation with the global elite any more obvious if he tried.

Blogger Mr. B.A.D. December 22, 2020 9:38 PM  

Outlaw X pray for us.

Blogger Kingkong December 22, 2020 9:38 PM  

The Arch Grabalonian in Rome protects pedophiles on the highest level. After Trump crosses the Rubicon, I'd fully support him following it up with crossing the literal Rubicon and dethroning that pervert.

Blogger Dire Badger December 22, 2020 9:40 PM  

All I want for Christmas is a forest of Purple Mafia Christmas Tree decorations. Although Lamppost and telephone pole decorations would work as well.

Blogger LoneWolf December 22, 2020 9:50 PM  

@6 Dos Voltz: "As a thousand year-old Catholic who's now anti-Catholic..."

Just curious about "anti-Catholic." Does "Catholic" refer to the 2000 year-old Catholic Church or to the 55 year-old Vatican II sect?

Blogger Silly but True December 22, 2020 9:52 PM  

Remember the Vatican is still investigating Mccarrick and both Mr. Jorge Bergoglio and Pope Benedict were both recently interviewed.

God willing Pope Benedict placed the right people into the right positions to exorcise the demons from the Church.

Blogger ManHugeO December 22, 2020 10:05 PM  

I highly doubt there will be a conservative replacement. The Church is at least two generations from returning to its traditional and true form, but we cannot let it waiver our faith!

Blogger Rusty December 22, 2020 10:08 PM  

Get the stake ready lads, we burning a punster tonight...

Blogger M. ANTHONY December 22, 2020 10:09 PM  

Does this mean he'll revert to Operation Gladio style Bergoglio or go full anti-christ?

Blogger Bill Chunko December 22, 2020 10:11 PM  

I hope that it's true. I also hope that if it happens that they elect a new pope who's, you know, Catholic.

Blogger Pilgrim December 22, 2020 10:15 PM  

Sauce?

Anonymous Anonymous December 22, 2020 10:17 PM  

@18 Because Vatican City controls America Inc. in the land of paper kingdoms.

Also and more currently this, which Neon has covered: Operation Charlemagne, The Silent Ones, and EyePyramid. Italy’s role in Framing Trump!

https://www.neonrevolt.com/2019/05/24/operation-charlemagne-the-silent-ones-and-eyepyramid-italys-role-in-framing-trump-spygate-qanon-greatawakening-neonrevolt/

Blogger T.S. December 22, 2020 10:20 PM  

This may set the stage for the final pope who acts as the False Prophet of Revelation. Interesting times indeed.

Blogger Elder Son December 22, 2020 10:20 PM  

All the Petrus Romanus you should know, but probably don't:

https://www.skywatchtv.com/?s=petrus+romanus

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 22, 2020 10:22 PM  

Karen took the Kids wrote:The Lavender mafia runs deep, he'll be replaced with another degenerate.
Perhaps. We should be praying for our Christian brethren in that church.

God, the church of Rome was founded by your people for you, and you still have a few stubborn believers in it. We pray that you will clean the apostates out of that hierarchy, and replace them with godly men who will do your will. Soon, please.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 22, 2020 10:22 PM  

PeopleMakerBear wrote:Even if Trump were to make the bold move I don’t see how this would translate to anything happening to the Pope who is in Italy.
Q keeps prattling on about declass. Who knows what could be made public?

Blogger Brant Thacker December 22, 2020 10:22 PM  

Right so don’t comment. There’s many reasons the pope may have to worry. For one, trump may have evidence that the pope is a pedo. If trump crosses, he’s taking on the “global” order. The swamp, the elite, China, whatever you want to call them, it’s not just about America.

Blogger Elder Son December 22, 2020 10:24 PM  

PeopleMakerBear - The Pope is not in Italy. The Pope is in the Vatican City surrounded by Italy.

Blogger Viking December 22, 2020 10:24 PM  

Well if we find out that Pope Benedict's resignation was invalid because he was pressured into it then Bergoglio will have been an Anti-Pope and I would think that all his decrees, including cardinal appointments will be null. Seems more than we could dare hope for. Further, I doubt he goes willingly. If he is being exposed I would think other shady cardinals will be also. all that would be needed would be for Benedict to be taken to a place of safety where he could tell the world once and for all if his resignation was valid. Simply a few words from him and Pope Francis never was.

Pray for the Pope. The real one.

Blogger Felix Bellator December 22, 2020 10:25 PM  

@18 PeopleMakerBear, you saw what they did to Solemani. The Popemobile won't stand a chance...

Blogger Doktor Jeep December 22, 2020 10:26 PM  

"Even if Trump were to make the bold move I don’t see how this would translate to anything happening to the Pope who is in Italy"

Well the Vatican is at least one organization the spending bill is not sending money to.

Blogger Fabbat1713@aol.com December 22, 2020 10:27 PM  

Bergoglio, please Lord we need him.

Blogger The Other Donald December 22, 2020 10:30 PM  

What is "Disclose"?

Blogger Fabbat1713@aol.com December 22, 2020 10:36 PM  

He’s a regular Mark Stonewall Spitz

Blogger Thoremius December 22, 2020 10:37 PM  

VD you have been rather quiet the last few days. Hope you are planning something to make the rubble bounce.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 22, 2020 10:40 PM  

When McCarrick was deposed and fled to Vatican City, about 2 years ago, several American bishops ordered their priests to start leading their congregations in the Prayer to St. Michael, in hope of driving the demons out of the Church. The prayer was originally composed by Pope St. Leo in 1884 in response to the modernist attacks of the 19th Century. It was one of the Leonine Prayers, recited at the end of every Mass around the world from 1902 to 1964, seeking God's protection for His Church. Every Sunday, millions of Catholics recite this prayer:
Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil; May God rebuke him, we humbly pray; And do thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host, by the power of God, thrust into hell Satan and all evil spirits who wander through the world for the ruin of souls.

Blogger D. December 22, 2020 10:42 PM  

I guess we will see tomorrow:

https://nationalfile.com/exclusive-white-house-memo-details-how-pence-card-can-save-trumps-presidency-on-dec-23/

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 22, 2020 10:43 PM  

The Other Donald wrote:What is "Disclose"?
Disclose.TV is a video sharing site where you can post your "The Grey Aliens Taught Me The Secrets Of Free Energy And Also Gave Me Herpes" videos.

Blogger Jack Amok December 22, 2020 10:43 PM  

You cross the Rubicon first, then throw the bodies of your dead enemies into the Tiber. Though I suppose if you did it the other way around, your enemies would still be dead, so that works too, you just wouldn't win any style points with historians.

Blogger NewTunesForOldLogos December 22, 2020 10:55 PM  

https://youtu.be/cphNpqKpKc4

Blogger Bernard Korzeniewicz December 22, 2020 11:46 PM  

Known to me active catholic visioners are sure.
For Heaven it is too little, too late.
Something extreme is coming.

Blogger A M D G December 23, 2020 12:03 AM  

Wasn't there a massive Wikileaks data dump today? Just sayin...

Blogger Fozzy Bear December 23, 2020 12:03 AM  

@Unknown
“downplaying the sexual abuse scandal.”
While I’ve found Dr Jones books edifying, I got into an argument with him in some comment section once. In the article he had cited some Chicago study to downplay the abuse scandal. When I quoted the same study back to him saying the problem was 10 times greater in the Catholic Church than the Boy Scouts of America, he said the study was clearly nonsense because nobody could believe such a thing.

Blogger Kraemer December 23, 2020 12:04 AM  

No. Whenever Trump gets presented with the COVID bill, provided it actually negates the insurrection act, he'll just sit on it and then cross the Rubicon before passing it.

Blogger Kraemer December 23, 2020 12:06 AM  

Gee, I wonder why it got abandoned in '64. That being said, one is advised to pray it more than once a week at Mass, just to hear the demons flee in terror

Blogger Vaughan Williams December 23, 2020 12:08 AM  

Bernard Korzeniewicz wrote:Known to me active catholic visioners are sure.

For Heaven it is too little, too late.

Something extreme is coming.


Are you talking about the visions of Alois Irlmaier? There are things that still have to be put in place before that happens, but yes, every year more of the things come to pass, and the event draws closer.

Blogger Stilicho December 23, 2020 1:23 AM  

>>Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil; May God rebuke him, we humbly pray; And do thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host, by the power of God, thrust into hell Satan and all evil spirits who wander through the world for the ruin of souls.<<

The spirit of that prayer is sorely lacking in most churches these days of any denomination.

Blogger Across the World December 23, 2020 1:47 AM  

Could it be the goal is to put in an even worse pope? Also in keeping with the trend of replacing so-called white people with so-called blacks, the point might be to put in a sub-saharan African clergyman in as supreme pontiff.

Blogger Vaughan Williams December 23, 2020 1:52 AM  

EM Jones is the Jordan Peterson of Alt-Christianity.

Blogger Bernard Korzeniewicz December 23, 2020 1:57 AM  

@Ominous Cowherd
Thank you for your kind prayer.

"Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops" st. John Chrysostomin, as archbishop of Constantinople in the IV century.

Blogger Thad Tuiol December 23, 2020 2:56 AM  

EM Jones: "Ireland could be replaced by 4 million Africans, and as long as they are Catholics, it's fine."

Blogger Pathfinderlight December 23, 2020 2:57 AM  

So, not satisfied with President, the God Emperor is now running for Defender of the Faith too, got it.

Blogger Bezzle December 23, 2020 3:32 AM  

So the Pope joins Putin in the January Retirement Club.

--Anyone else on Trump's 2017 whirlwind world-submission tour fall into that category?

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli December 23, 2020 3:37 AM  

cyrus83 wrote:Such a conclave would also be invalid and elect an anti-pope if one holds that neither Benedict XVI nor John Paul II were legit.

The Benevacantists have serious problems, because both JPII and Benedict self-anathematized, according to Rome's own canons, by kissing the Koran and praying with Muslims, both instances in public and on official visits.

This, of course, is supposedly IMPOSSIBLE according to Vatican I and centuries worth of official ultramontanist teaching and dogma.

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli December 23, 2020 3:37 AM  

Thad Tuiol wrote:EM Jones: "Ireland could be replaced by 4 million Africans, and as long as they are Catholics, it's fine."

A perfect example of the legalistic mind of Romanists. Heartless.

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli December 23, 2020 3:58 AM  

LoneWolf wrote:Just curious about "anti-Catholic." Does "Catholic" refer to the 2000 year-old Catholic Church or to the 55 year-old Vatican II sect?

Does it refer to the Greek Catholics, the Old Catholics, the SSPX, FSSP, Vatican I Catholics, Vatican II Catholics, Charismatic Catholics, Sedevacantist, the newly-formed Benevacantists, Tridentine Mass Catholics, Novus Ordo Catholics, Filioque Catholics, non-Filioque (Byzantine) Catholics, 'Co-Redemtrix' Marian Catholics, Franciscans, Dominicans, Jesuits, Paulists, Pachamama Mother Earth syncretist Catholics, Barlaamite (anit-Palamite) Catholics, Palamite (anti-Barlaamite) Catholics, body-part worshipping Frankish Catholics, monophysite Syriac Catholics, Syro-Malabar Catholics, Ruthenian Catholics....?

I haven't even exhausted the list yet. But you know, Rome is "one" and "united" and always has been? Just try your best to figure out which one is the 'true' church, which creed is the 'true' creed, which ecclesiology and christology is the 'true' theology, which one is the 'true' pope amongst the centuries of 'anti-popes'.

Anonymous Anonymous December 23, 2020 4:48 AM  

Very heartening to see Trump refuse to sign another mammoth waste of taxpayer's money on bribing foreign governments, who hate the people funding their wastrel ways. Finally a man who means what he says not only when threatening more wars.

Blogger Chuck Blythe December 23, 2020 4:53 AM  

I see a movie in their future... Grumpy Old Popes?

Blogger Boaty Bear December 23, 2020 5:16 AM  

....directly.

Blogger Reichenberg December 23, 2020 5:25 AM  

Pope Francis was validly elected, therefore he is a real pope.

Even if he is a heretic (probably so), he is still a pope, a real pope. There were heretical popes before, like pope Honorius.

The Catholic Church is the One True Church of God on Earth, outside of which there is no Salvation.

Blogger HispaniaCatholica December 23, 2020 5:27 AM  

Arbishop Carlo Maria Viganò would surely be the best candidate so far to undo so much mistakes.

Blogger Linda Fox December 23, 2020 5:42 AM  

Please God!
As a lifelong Catholic, I've had about all I can take over the last 1/2 century or so.

Blogger Bernard Korzeniewicz December 23, 2020 5:48 AM  

@Reichenberg

To be elected as the pope one does not need to be a priest.
One must be Catholic.
freemason => not-Catholic => not the pope.
There never was the pope called Francis.

QED

Blogger VFM #7634 December 23, 2020 5:53 AM  

@Reichenberg

Honorius was never a heretic. That has been debunked many times. There were never heretics whose claim to the Papacy has been regarded as valid until 1958, and in the same way Biden will be found to be illegitimate, these last six Fake Popes eventually will be too.

Blogger Karen took the Kids December 23, 2020 6:10 AM  

Unfortunately, the bravest men of the Catholic Church such as Vigano are retired or muzzled or a combination of both. But bigger cancers have been excised in the past and will be in the future.

Blogger Br1cht December 23, 2020 6:34 AM  

Reichenberg wrote:Pope Francis was validly elected, therefore he is a real pope.

How very good of you to explain that he very (S)elected to the SDL and us..

You didn´t start with "Akshually" so there is that at the very least.

Blogger Silly but True December 23, 2020 7:03 AM  

Reichenberg,

There’s nothing wrong with those who follow St. Antioch’s line of the Apostolic church, but don’t be an idiot: the so-called “Catholic church” is not the only catholic and Apostolic church; St. Antioch’s line is not the only line.

Blogger Reichenberg December 23, 2020 7:34 AM  

Linda Fox wrote:Please God!

As a lifelong Catholic, I've had about all I can take over the last 1/2 century or so.


The end of our hardships is stil a long way away. This was foretold in Fatima and in many other places.
Repent, take the sacraments and attend the Latin Mass.

When God gives us hardships, he also gives us the means of grace to overcome it. "Where sin abundeth, grace abundeth all the more."

T.L. Ciottoli wrote:LoneWolf wrote:Just curious about "anti-Catholic." Does "Catholic" refer to the 2000 year-old Catholic Church or to the 55 year-old Vatican II sect?

Does it refer to the Greek Catholics, the Old Catholics, the SSPX, FSSP, Vatican I Catholics, Vatican II Catholics, Charismatic Catholics, Sedevacantist, the newly-formed Benevacantists, Tridentine Mass Catholics, Novus Ordo Catholics, Filioque Catholics, non-Filioque (Byzantine) Catholics, 'Co-Redemtrix' Marian Catholics, Franciscans, Dominicans, Jesuits, Paulists, Pachamama Mother Earth syncretist Catholics, Barlaamite (anit-Palamite) Catholics, Palamite (anti-Barlaamite) Catholics, body-part worshipping Frankish Catholics, monophysite Syriac Catholics, Syro-Malabar Catholics, Ruthenian Catholics....?
.


yours is a fake list. Most of these are in communion with Rome, and have no problems with each other whatsoever.

In your other comment, you accuse Catholics of being "legalists". You accuse others of your own fault. Like evil people do.

Bernard Korzeniewicz wrote:@Reichenberg

To be elected as the pope one does not need to be a priest.

One must be Catholic.

freemason => not-Catholic => not the pope.

There never was the pope called Francis.

QED


You have provided zero arguments for Francis being a freemason. BTW, you can be heretic without being a freemason, so it's not necessary.

VFM #7634 wrote:@Reichenberg

Honorius was never a heretic. That has been debunked many times. There were never heretics whose claim to the Papacy has been regarded as valid until 1958, and in the same way Biden will be found to be illegitimate, these last six Fake Popes eventually will be too.


Honorius in mentioned as an heretic explicitly in the declarations of the VIth, VIIth, and VIIIth Ecumenical Councils. If you are declared a heretic, then you are a heretic.

@Every reader and commenter of this post
The Catholic Church is the One True Church of God on Earth, outside of which there is no Salvation. I am willing to debate this with anyone, anytime.

Anonymous Anonymous December 23, 2020 7:37 AM  

Some of you may know that it was Vatican II that declared that Catholic academics/theologians should study the ancient Jewish traditions (like the feast days of Mosaic Law) and "encourage" Christians interest in keeping them.

Something about a dog returning to its vomit. I'm not a Catholic but I sincerely hope those who are get around to repudiating everything Vatican II, and sooner rather than later.

Blogger Cinqueports December 23, 2020 8:31 AM  

As a Catholic convert, I can assure all that the Church looks a lot different from the inside than from the outside.
Bergoglio may or may not be a heretic, but he is corrupt and/or compromised or both. He has systematically protected the Curial Pornocracy and has elevated unworthy men to the Cardinalate. The Cardinal Electors in the next conclave (whenever that may be) will elect another like him but perhaps without Bergoglio's capacity for intrigue and deception.
The Church has survived worse, and it will survive this. But it will happen in God's time and not in mine.

Blogger Storm Rhode December 23, 2020 8:35 AM  

The Vatican needs to be forced to house and pay for all the immigration they're pushing.

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli December 23, 2020 8:37 AM  

VFM #7634 wrote:Honorius was never a heretic.

Yes, he was a heretic. As was confirmed by many successive popes. Regardless, the very fact that an Ecumenical Council felt it had the authority to judge a pope and depose him proves the ill-named 'Petrine Doctrine' wrong. 'Nuf said. Not that any of the hardcore papists will listen to reason or see the obvious right before their very eyes.

Blogger Storm Rhode December 23, 2020 8:38 AM  

Part of me thinks the faster things go from bad to worse the sooner my neighbors will wake up their resolve to fight, but perhaps complacency goes clear to the bone.

Blogger cyrus83 December 23, 2020 8:55 AM  

@70

Logically Sedevacantism became impossible once there was no longer any way under the canons of 1958 - or whichever year is used as the break point, opinions vary - to elect a new pope.

It was plausible in the 1970s and 1980s, and even into the 1990s, but time and the death of all possible electors is a demonstration that at the very least John XXIII and Paul VI have to have been legitimate popes to avoid a situation where no pope can be elected according to canon law.

Blogger Avalanche December 23, 2020 9:07 AM  

@68 "the God Emperor is now running for Defender of the Faith too, got it."

**GOD** knows, he's a better fit for the office!!

Blogger B December 23, 2020 9:33 AM  

I don't care what lacky & sycophant Austen Ivereigh says, Bergoglio is too addicted to power and The One World Order to quit. He is a Stupid Commie (as my refugee mother would say) and viciously anti-American. As a Roman Catholic, I would ask President Trump to sever relations with the Holy See during his second term, and to give Abp. Carlo Maria Vigano permanent residence in the U.S., if the Archbishop does not now have permanent residence or has not yet acquired U.S.citizenship. Oh, and throw out the current nuncio to the U.S.

The Vatican as it exists today is bought and paid for by communist China. Ask Cardinal Zen. It is a security threat to the United States.

Blogger Chip Hazard December 23, 2020 9:40 AM  

@84

Good post. We've had disagreements I think. But I'm generally with you.

In regards to the Church, and the papacy, the damage is extensive.

Blogger VFM #7634 December 23, 2020 10:02 AM  

@Reichenberg @T.L. Ciottoli

It's really, really interesting how willing people are to believe that a heretic was Pope to defend their ridiculous "a heretic can be a real Pope" sacred cow.

Quit cucking.

Here are a couple of references:

The Case of Pope Honorius I
The Calumny against Pope Honorius I

Blogger Silly but True December 23, 2020 10:09 AM  

Reichenberg:
“The Catholic Church is the One True Church of God on Earth, outside of which there is no Salvation”

1. Define: “One True Church of God on Earth,” and how you think this is any different or any less arbitrary label than “Catholic” Church, and why you think it then is the one true church of God on Earth, and...

2. Outside of which there is no salvation.

Please just use the words and truth of God as contained in the New Testament only in your justification, but don’t feel any need to be constrained by this request as it will be obvious where you delve into religious and Biblical Expanded Universe or catholic franchise fan-fiction and fables.

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli December 23, 2020 10:13 AM  

Reichenberg wrote:Most of these are in communion with Rome, and have no problems with each other whatsoever.

You prove my point, thank you.

The only thing that 'Roman Catholic' means is to bow the knee to the Papacy. Do that and you can believe whatever you wish, profess any creed, mix it with any other religion, use any type of liturgical innovation... and you'll still be officially 'Roman Catholic', even if one or several of those things contradict the others.

Blogger Bernard Korzeniewicz December 23, 2020 10:31 AM  

"You have provided zero arguments for Francis being a freemason."

https://leozagami.com/2020/02/06/vatican-intelligence-officer-confirms-pope-francis-is-a-liberal-freemason/

Read, son, and Gamm no more.

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli December 23, 2020 11:29 AM  

Reichenberg wrote:@Every reader and commenter of this post

The Catholic Church is the One True Church of God on Earth, outside of which there is no Salvation. I am willing to debate this with anyone, anytime.


There is an entire phalanx of OrthoBros on YouTube most willing to debate you on this topic. Email them and inform us of the time and channel. Looking forward to it.

You might want to check in with your recently demolished and publicly humiliated co-religionists Erick Ybarra, Taylor Marshall, Timothy Flanders, et al. to see and hear how badly they got owned.

If your apologetic powers are akin to theirs, you'll probably need to brush up on your reading for the next 10-20 years. Godspeed.

Blogger Cinqueports December 23, 2020 12:31 PM  

@96:
With respect, it is one thing to be juridically Roman Catholic. It is quite another to be an orthodox Roman Catholic.
And no, orthodox Roman Catholics do not merely kowtow to whomever occupies the See of Peter. A case in point is Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò (who has denounced Bergoglio and as much as called him a liar). Another is Bishop Athanasius Schneider. Add Robert Cardinal Sarah, Gerhard Cardinal Müller, Archbishop Charles Chaput, Raymond Cardinal Burke, and many others. Count also my much admired and beloved local Parish Priest and (with prayer that I am genuinely orthodox) myself. And yet we all remain in communion with the Bishop of Rome.
Ecclesiology (in its proper sense and not what Merriam-Webster calls it) is exceedingly complex and has occupied the best minds of two millennia. I do not pretend competence in the subject beyond knowing it a proper object of study.
I fully realize that there are many fine Protestants on this board (as well as non-Christians). One of my friends whom I greatly admire, and of whose salvation I am very much convinced, is a rabidly anti-Catholic Calvinist. We discuss, we disagree, we never make ourselves angry.
That being said, I am neither an indifferentist nor a sycretist. I am a Roman Catholic who recites all of the prayers of the Rosary every day, with my youngest son, and without a nanosecond of doubt as to every word in them. It is a blessing to recite the Apostle's Creed and to know that it is all true.

Blogger Oswald December 23, 2020 12:51 PM  

"The Catholic Church is the One True Church of God on Earth, outside of which there is no Salvation. I am willing to debate this with anyone, anytime"


The thief on the cross, was he catholic? If you don't know what I mean, then you don't know scripture very well. Try reading the bible and get away from man's doctrine. You are deceived.

Blogger John in Indy December 23, 2020 12:56 PM  

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Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 23, 2020 1:06 PM  

It might seem like it's on topic to have a "my church vs your church" dick-measuring contest. It's not. Stow your monomania. It's boring and off topic.

Blogger Reichenberg December 23, 2020 1:13 PM  

Blogger Cinqueports December 23, 2020 1:33 PM  

@100:
I am taught, and I believe, that the thief on the cross, in great pain and on the point of death, with every human reason to be bitter and angry, recognized Jesus Christ as the Eternal Son of God and asked Him for salvation. He was saved by faith and by his confession of faith and by His promise of salvation. Catholic merely means "universal." Catholicism is not a sect. There was no Pope at the time of the crucifixion; the Church (qua Church) was not born until Pentecost.
Christians have genuine doctrinal disagreements. For the most part those disagreements are worth having. But I'm not in the business of making anyone's confession but my own and I don't cast stones that I know merely rebound to my own face.

Blogger A Beautiful Saturday Morning December 23, 2020 2:18 PM  

I'm a disillusioned, non-practicing Catholic. I visited the Vatican in Aug 2019. I did not feel good there. It felt oppressive, creepy. I wouldn't go back. This pope is the worst. It needs to all come down.

Blogger A.D. December 23, 2020 2:42 PM  

How so? I'd like to know more about him. I wonder if he's a bona fide intellectual, a true paleocon, if he can be trusted, etc. I've seen him being interviewed and have tended to like what I've heard. Haven't read his books.

Blogger Oswald December 23, 2020 3:12 PM  

104. You understand what I am saying. If you substitute universal for catholic in the following sentence you get:

"The Universal Church is the One True Church of God on Earth, outside of which there is no Salvation. I am willing to debate this with anyone, anytime."

Blogger Tommy Hass December 23, 2020 3:31 PM  

"Debunked" Careful there, you're using Morlock language. ;)

Blogger Cinqueports December 23, 2020 3:36 PM  

@107:
I stated what I believe to be a truth of the Catholic Faith. But I also mean that the Roman Catholic Church (i.e., in the narrower sense all persons in communion with the Bishop of Rome) is not a sect. As stated in an earlier comment, I claim no expertise in ecclesiology. I don't argue with Protestants about Protestantism - it's just not something I do.

Blogger Cinqueports December 23, 2020 3:53 PM  

@105:
I cannot imagine anyone finding St. Peter's oppressive. I've been there many times (forty-five years ago you could just walk in and the Pieta was in the first alcove of the right aisle after passing the doors and not behind a plexiglass shield - the most beautiful piece of marble ever crafted). I've spent hours within the Basilica filled with awe and wonder completely outside of myself. The Sistine Chapel is art beyond imagining. If you take the time and trouble, you can take the Scavi Tour and visit (at original ground level) the tomb of St. Peter.
Despair is a sin to which I am also prone. God bless you and please do not be disillusioned by the fact that we are betrayed by the hierarchy.

Blogger VFM #7634 December 23, 2020 4:03 PM  

"Debunked" Careful there, you're using Morlock language. ;)

It's been DEBOONKED, I tell ya!

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel December 23, 2020 6:45 PM  

@96 @98

Your view of Catholicism aside; let me rephrase your comment from my perspective:

The only thing that 'Protestant' means is to reject the Papacy. Do that and you can believe whatever you wish, profess any creed, mix it with any other religion, use any type of liturgical innovation... and you'll still be officially 'Protestant', even if one or several of those things contradict the others.

Did that make you recoil? It was just as repellant to us when you wrote the original.

With that said, I'm with Snidely on the utility of religious wars. We are in a civil war, no need for two fronts. I'm more inclined to say "Merry Christmas" than debate ecclesiology, eschatology or soteriology. In the present moment, the common enemy is the Happy Holidays, Holiday Armadillo crowd.

I suspect that I am a less proficient Catholic than Cinqueports but we don't bow to Francis or any other Pope. His authority isn't unbounded or unlimited. When he opines on or about some expanded role of the UN, that's not binding, it's not a matter of faith or morals, and IMHO opinion a violation of what we call subsidiarity. There are "prudential matters" that are supposed to be guided by informed understanding and consciences.

I understand sincere Protestants who are scandalized by PF's extemporaneous comments or any of the McCarrick type scandal or for that matter the lack of episcopal backbone in applying Canon 915 to politicians because they scandalize me.

When it comes to the hierarchy, I'm with Belloc:

, the “Catholic Church is an institution I am bound to hold divine – but for unbelievers a proof of its divinity might be found in the fact that no merely human institution conducted with such knavish imbecility would have lasted a fortnight.”

As a younger man, I thought that to be florid rhetoric, now not so much.

I think if we are honest, we realize the cancer that is the sins of the world affects every tradition/denomination, because they are all comprised of sinners. Some are now hollow shells of their former selves; others are waging internecine strife to reject the three things St. Catherine of Sienna spoke of as our chief enemies, the world, the devil and our own weak flesh.

I don't know whether this Pope is a Mason, I'm pretty sure he has statist inclinations and is a part of Wilhelm Röpke's "Cult of the Colossal" and my education and conscience tell me "small is beautiful", again in part because subsidiarity, neglected as it is now.

He's also temporary. Take no pleasure in our struggles, I take no pleasure in what has happened to the Anglicans, ELCA Lutherans or Methodists. I am alarmed by the recent post about the Southern Baptists, because they have respected many things I respect.

We'll see if he departs sooner or later.


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