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Monday, December 28, 2020

Destiny confronts Mike Pence

Neon Revolt addresses Vice-President Pence's decision on January 6, 2021:

For the past four years, President Trump has been the most powerful man on earth.

For one day, on January 6th, you, Vice President Pence, will be the most powerful man on earth.

On that day, you and you alone will have the power to set not just America, but all of humanity free – or you will have the power to sentence us all to slavery.

Which side are you on, Mr. Vice President? The side of truth? The side of the people? Or the side of lies, and all those from which they emanate?

I do not envy your position, sir. This is not how I ever wanted this moment in history to ever play out, and I would give just about anything to have it go any other way.

But it seems to me that you have a rendezvous with destiny, Mr. Vice President. On that fateful day, Mr. Vice President, I expect you to rise to the occasion, and I suggest you start by throwing out the entire fraudulent tally from the Chicom-colony of California, and their 55 electoral votes.

And then you can work your way down the line, tossing out every other fraudulent state tally until the liars and thieves are all vanquished and wailing and deposed, and the rightful leader of this nation, who won without fraud or thievery and who wants the best for her citizens, sits for another 4 years.

You have a choice, Mr. Vice President. Either you will rise up with courage and become the hero who saved the Republic, or you will spend the rest of your days reviled in ignominy as your children, and your grandchildren, and their descendants end up as little more than chattel on the global plantation.

I don’t think I’m exaggerating the stakes. Go with God, Mr. Vice President. Fight for the people on that day. Strike the giants, and cut off all their heads. If you can be entrusted with this immense and Constitutional power – to safeguard the Republic on that day when our enemies would snatch it away from us – we, the people, will know beyond a shadow of a doubt that we can trust you in 2024 and beyond.

Steel yourself, Mr. Vice President.

Greatness awaits.

These are the times that try men's characters. These are the times when men are forced to declare, in public, whom they serve. I very much doubt that President Trump's next term depends upon the actions of the Vice-President, but certainly the future political viability of Mike Pence does.

From a game theory perspective, the decision is a no-brainer. Pence should throw out the electors from the fraudulent states and secure President Trump's victory. But the tentacles of the Deep State are insidious, and no few of its foolish servitors have already betrayed the President.

I make no predictions of what a single man will choose to do. But it is very clear what a loyal man, a logical man, or even a self-serving man, should do.

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133 Comments:

Blogger msieng December 28, 2020 8:06 AM  

My fear is that Barr is not the one who betrays GR, but Pence.

Blogger Rough Carrigan December 28, 2020 8:07 AM  

Deep state: Okay, we've gotta attack this Pence character right now. Activate the usual first step sexual harassment allegations. Oh, wait.

Blogger larry December 28, 2020 8:14 AM  

Mike Pence has been governor of Indiana and VP of the USA yet he had, according to Forbes in 2019, a net worth, including future pension streams, of just $1.2 million.

Does not own his own home.

Still paying off student debt for three daughters.

He may be the man Diogenes was seeking.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2019/07/18/how-mike-pence-became-a-millionaire-from-government-pensions/

Blogger larry December 28, 2020 8:16 AM  

Mike Pence. Former governor of Indiana. VP of the USA. Forbes in 2019 put his total wealth including future pension streams at $1.2 million.

So at least we know he's honest.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2019/07/18/how-mike-pence-became-a-millionaire-from-government-pensions/

Blogger Wayne December 28, 2020 8:19 AM  

I've viewed Pence as the establishment choice for VP. Have the last four years changed that? He would certainly engratiate himself with the DC establishment by delivering Trump to his enemies. The question is if that matters to him now.

Blogger JD Curtis December 28, 2020 8:21 AM  

I very much doubt that President Trump's next term depends upon the actions of the Vice-President

I agree, there are other factors at play here.
Should events somehow turn and Pence is required to take bold action, I'm sure his current digs at the Naval Observatory are quite comfortable and 4 more years of leisure there for a comparatively easy job that isn't worth a warm bucket of spit may play in to his decision making.

Blogger Homesteader December 28, 2020 8:22 AM  

I know what, and whom, I shall be praying for.

I also know who millions of patriots are prepared to fight for.

Which is why, I shall be praying.

God help us all.

Blogger Steghorn21 December 28, 2020 8:25 AM  

Even if Pence does his duty to the Constitution, America and Freedom, the left will never accept it. This comes down to POTUS's exec powers and WE, The People.

Blogger phil g December 28, 2020 8:31 AM  

Lord I pray that you give Mike Pence clarity of truth and the courage to act in defense of truth and protection from evil to him and his family to do your will. Amen. In the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit Amen.

Blogger Unknown December 28, 2020 8:38 AM  

Well, on the 6th either the steal is stopped, or a potential very high-value cabal asset gets burned. So either way it is a win (although the former would be a much bigger one).

I don't trust Pence even if he does the right thing (anyone remembers the whole website fiasco situation in 2016?), I'd rather see Mike Scheuer or Rand Paul as VP, but given that is not possible I'll savour the win and be grateful.

PS: VD for POTUS 2024!

Blogger CarpeOro December 28, 2020 8:39 AM  

Too late be far to save the Republic, but it could at least put the brakes on a bit as the State slides toward oblivion. Hopefully a better option than hitting the gas under the oligarchs (no real need to label them Republican or Democrat). Faith in the Lord is always the best bet, to be hedged by our own efforts to band together in trying times.

Blogger Curlytop December 28, 2020 8:41 AM  

I'll be surprised if Pence does the right thing. Exposing Pence to be the traitor he is may be TGE's last domino to set in place before he pulls the trigger.

Blogger Dad29 December 28, 2020 8:47 AM  

Pence didn't earn a red badge of courage as Gov of Indiana vs. Salesforce, or Angie's List.....

Blogger Silly but True December 28, 2020 8:49 AM  

Pence in his August RNC speech:
“The hard truth is...you won't be safe in Joe Biden's America. Under President Trump, we will stand with those who stand on the thin blue line, and we're not going to defund the police -- not now, not ever.

My fellow Americans, we are passing through a time of testing. Soon, we will come to a time for choosing...”

I’ve liked Mike Pence as a politician. I hope I haven’t been wrong about his character these past years.

Blogger SC Rebel December 28, 2020 8:52 AM  

May I also add that it is what a Godly man would do.

A Godly man cannot allow lies and deceit to win the day.

Blogger pyrrhus December 28, 2020 8:53 AM  

It's a lot of drama over something that has already happened at least twice in American history...Thomas Jefferson, after losing the 1796 election when 3 of his electors deserted him for Adams, won the 1800 election outright(otherwise it would have gone to the House) by counting 3 dubious Georgia electors for himself...In 1876, the Republican VP under Grant counted two entirely bogus delegations from Florida and Tennessee who had been selected by the Army of Occupation, defeating Democrat Tilden by 1 vote...

Blogger Timmy3 December 28, 2020 8:58 AM  

I’m pretty sure Mike Pence will disappoint. There’s nothing happening now that will tell us how Trump will try to remain in office beyond January 19. January 20 will come and Trump will leave on his helicopter, but he won’t be packed as his predecessors.

Blogger pyrrhus December 28, 2020 9:03 AM  

If Pence thinks he will be eaten last as a reward for stabbing Trump in the back, he is fatally deluded..On the other hand, he has a reasonable shot at the Presidency down the road, or March 4, 2021, if he is loyal to Trump...

Blogger Daniel December 28, 2020 9:05 AM  

Pence is also a Christian man

Blogger Robert Browning December 28, 2020 9:08 AM  

The fruit does not fall far from the tree.Knowing what will come to be, is knowing the blood of those whom are involved. Pence is Irish and Irish blood is the blood of backstabbing treachery.

Blogger Unknown December 28, 2020 9:12 AM  

I keep seeing this idea of a Pence Card, but I don't find any legal text backing it up when these ideas are put forward.

When I see the 12th amendment referenced, I only find the following:

>The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;

Which seems to me to preclude the idea that Mike can simply count what he wants, and leads me to the idea that the only path is a contingent election with the congressional objections, then perhaps a tie breaking vote in the Senate by Mike, if required.

I haven't found info contrary to this yet.

Blogger Otto December 28, 2020 9:34 AM  

If Pence throws out the invalid states, he will be the leading candidate for the GOP nomination in 2024. The people who rallied around Trump will rally around Pence.

If not, he won't have a chance at the nomination. Not that that would matter, because if the cheating is allowed to stand, the odds of a Republican winning the presidency are all but zero.

If Pence ever wants to be president, this is his moment.

Blogger Doktor Jeep December 28, 2020 9:38 AM  

I don't know.
Pence was "establishment" and early on when Trump announced his running mate I saw a lot of complaining about that choice.
Everybody who was establishment, of whom it was said would betray Trump, has betrayed Trump. That is the only reliable thing we could expect of GOP Inc.

Remember, Pence got a letter too.

Blogger Dr Caveman December 28, 2020 9:39 AM  

That's a lot of weight to put on one man's shoulders. But I can't think of a better candidate than Pence. Lots of integrity, lots of faith

Blogger Henry Lee December 28, 2020 9:40 AM  

Aside from the fact that I don't think that he has the 'nads to do it, if Pence wants a life after that day, he won't do it. If 7/9ths of the Supreme Court was afraid to honor their oaths, less even will Pencs.

Blogger KBuff December 28, 2020 9:40 AM  

Given Chris Miller's recent laudatory comments concerning the Vice President, it will be interesting to see if Pence is up to the task, as it will require every bit of the man Miller says he is.

Blogger dienw December 28, 2020 9:50 AM  

Will Pence be named in some future "Profiles in Courage" or described in some future Plutarch's Lives as more contemptuously than Brutus: "...for though Brutus slew his emperor, Pence slew his country and his people."

Blogger Watchu talkin bout Willis December 28, 2020 9:50 AM  

While even a million may curse him, many tens of millions, and more, will revere him. My God give him the fortitude to do what is right and just.

Blogger Nostromo December 28, 2020 9:54 AM  

Pence has seen first hand the loyalty, and devition Trump inspires in the citizenry. Even a mind turned solely to political benefit has to see the way forward is to fight with Trump, and not capitulate.

Blogger xevious2030 December 28, 2020 9:55 AM  

Exactly.

Blogger r1racer December 28, 2020 10:02 AM  

Destiny confronts good from evil.... free from oppressed... and democracy from dictatorships. God bless America.

Blogger Clinton December 28, 2020 10:03 AM  

I trust Pence to do the right thing. Normally I would add some supporting evidence for my confidence but this time its just a gut feeling. My guts have been right more often than not. I suspect being in Trump's presence the last 4 years would increase the courage and boldness of any honest man.

Blogger Bogey December 28, 2020 10:25 AM  

Maybe Pence should talk to Chris Langan (the smartest man in the world).

Chris recently tweeted
"Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. Satan and his legions are making their move, so it's fight or be eaten."

Blogger Jeff aka Orville December 28, 2020 10:27 AM  

I don't trust Pence, but I will pray for him. Sadly, I trust "professed" Christians even less, particularly the political kind.

I still trust that Trump will declare an insurrection and/or martial law if Pence picks the wrong side.

Blogger Karen took the Kids December 28, 2020 10:30 AM  

Christopher Miller seems to have a lot of faith in Pence.
Impressive since they've only worked together for a few weeks.

Blogger Done with it all December 28, 2020 10:31 AM  

I trust Pence to do the honorable deeds. He is a true Christian and will stand up a be counted brave and true.

His conscience will not let him betray good for evil. It will not!

May God be with him and give him all the courage he needs to stand tall on the 6th and stand with righteousness. In Jesus holy name this I pray, amen.

Blogger GregMan December 28, 2020 10:33 AM  

Does anyone, especially Pence, doubt that if the situation were reversed, the Damnocrats would do exactly that to remain in power?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 28, 2020 10:33 AM  

My plug nickel is on Pence cucking even after the promised big dump from Rudy. I'll reference Kuntsler's opinion today on Trump's options going forward.

If only we had quietly had influence within the OPM and put our people in places for information gathering, such as the NSA which should have been the decision point going forward from January 2017. But maybe there is a remnant left within the IC and we are not just a bunch of wishful thinking folk waiting for the plan from Q or something.

Blogger Stilicho December 28, 2020 10:38 AM  

Good Lord, Forbes ran that as a hit piece! Idiots.

Blogger Unknown December 28, 2020 10:39 AM  

I cannot tell you how it will begin, only that war is coming. American patriots will not go quietly into globalist slavery.

http://forthesonsofthewest.home.blog

Blogger xevious2030 December 28, 2020 10:41 AM  

“I've viewed Pence as the establishment choice for VP”
and
“I very much doubt that President Trump's next term depends upon the actions of the Vice-President”
Even a mediocre strategist should be able to consider both. Is he Brutus, is he not Brutus, removed from the equation. Robustness.

Blogger Crush Limbraw December 28, 2020 10:43 AM  

Ted Noel spells out the details - https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/12/its_for_mike_pence_to_judge_whether_a_presidential_election_was_held_at_all.html
It will be Pence who has the choice of going from a non-entity to the greatest hero in recent American history - all with the law at his back!
I don't envy him - but I will pray for him fervently!
The biggest question I have is not about Pence, it's about us AFTER he acts righteously. Mask wearing mobots are not exactly known for wisdom or courage, since their primary concern is their own brief and sorry stay on this earth.
I've said it before - the judgment to come is not about Trump or Pence - it is on America itself. Only God's mercy and grace can cover that sorry legacy.

Blogger Peter C December 28, 2020 10:48 AM  

>The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;

I'm sure the Secret Service keeping all Senators and Representatives say, a hundred feet away from Pence during the counting is more than constitutional since they had no problem keeping poll observers too far away to see the ballots. Turnabout is fair play, after all.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 28, 2020 10:54 AM  

larry wrote:Mike Pence. ... Forbes in 2019 put his total wealth including future pension streams at $1.2 million.

So at least we know he's honest

If he's crooked, he's definitely not getting rich off it.
Dad29 wrote:Pence didn't earn a red badge of courage as Gov of Indiana vs. Salesforce, or Angie's List.....
He surrendered at the first whiff of opposition.
SC Rebel wrote:A Godly man cannot allow lies and deceit to win the day.

A devout Churchian man, on the other hand, will nobly surrender, because Judeo-Christ said: ``Surrender to Satan, or he will flee.''

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 28, 2020 10:56 AM  

Daniel wrote:Pence is also a Christian man
Christian? Or Judeo-Christian? The way he has cucked in the past suggests the latter.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 28, 2020 10:58 AM  

Unknown wrote:>The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;

Which seems to me to preclude the idea that Mike can simply count what he wants,

Dude, that is exactly why the VP can count whatever he wants to count: it is a plenary power, not subject to any kind of oversight.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 28, 2020 10:59 AM  

Doktor Jeep wrote:
Remember, Pence got a letter too.

Remember, we don't know what was in any of those letters.

Blogger Ingot9455 December 28, 2020 11:08 AM  

My favorite Donald Trump quote is the one where he came out at 3 am on the night of the 2016 election and said, "Sorry to keep you waiting, folks. Complicated business."

I'd love to hear him say it again when everything comes out.

Blogger Claudio December 28, 2020 11:10 AM  

Do not trust in princes,
In mortal man, in whom there is no salvation.

Psalm 143:3

Is Pence a mortal, or will he remain in history books forever alive?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 28, 2020 11:14 AM  

Nostromo wrote:Even a mind turned solely to political benefit has to see the way forward is to fight with Trump, and not capitulate.
A mind turned toward kiddie-diddling, to the extent that he neglects to enrich himself, would see that the way forward is to betray Trump. I really don't think that describes Pence - I don't think he's deliberately evil. I do think he's got cuckservative noble loser syndrome really, really bad.

Blogger Cinqueports December 28, 2020 11:17 AM  

Certainly a time for separating the sheep from the goats.

Blogger SecondComingOfBast December 28, 2020 11:17 AM  

Giuliani says important info is coming out, in his words after Christmas, which I took to mean Monday, today, the start of a new weekly news cycle.

Of course, the media including Fox
will ignore it, if it happens at all. But this has gone beyond the scope of any one, two or more secondary persons' wills or abilities at any rate.

There's only one person who can make things right. Put it this way, Caesar didn't test the waters by sending Octavian or Antony to cross the Rubicon ahead of him. He knows what he has to do and he'd damn well better do it. Because if he doesn't, we're finished.

Blogger Ghog December 28, 2020 11:31 AM  

Pence is GOPe. He will jump ship and head for the safety and security of the Party, leaving the Captain with a leaky boat.

Blogger MJ Meyers December 28, 2020 11:36 AM  

The socio-sexual hierarchy may help us speculate on the likelihood of Pence's decision. Is Pence enough of a bravo, willing to put those in their place who would usurp his alpha? Trump is in need of a very strong bravo for the just decision to be made.

No doubt much is being inferably promised to Pence if he'll simply accept the slates presented by the governors. Pence could be a materialist of two types: (1) a materialist enjoying the prospect of money and power he might relatively net in the future and/or (2) a materialist enjoying the thought of his legacy being held in higher esteem after his death.

I think an especially-religious man is needed to overcome these two innate material desires. McCain sold out for the media praise he knew he'd receive (and did) after his death. A religious man will do the just thing even if his legacy will be tarnished for a thousand years and he'll be hated by his former loved ones. His sense of justice, then, is higher than what is perceived by the material world, as the only judgment that matters is that of his maker.

Blogger Fozzy Bear December 28, 2020 11:50 AM  

Robert Browning wrote:The fruit does not fall far from the tree.Knowing what will come to be, is knowing the blood of those whom are involved. Pence is Irish and Irish blood is the blood of backstabbing treachery.

Pence might be Irish, he might not - It's a common American mistake. His closest "Irish roots" are a Cawley/McCauley grandparent, and a Downs, which are just as likely Scots-Irish names - meaning Scottish gentry, not Irish peasants. Many Americans who believe they are Irish are actually Scottish, just confused by the "Scots Irish" name. They don't realize that emigrating out of Ireland, particularly right at the end of a bloody civil war that the Irish won*, doesn't turn a Scotsman into an Irishman when they've only had 200-300 years of exposure to the magic dirt. I do however see a Flannery name further back in his tree, so yeah, watch him like a hawk.
*The Cawleys arrived at Ellis Island in April 1923

Blogger Tom Bombadil December 28, 2020 12:00 PM  

Either there’s a massive rally in DC to save the country, or there is not.

Asking Pence to stand alone in Washington is like asking the guy to commit a symbolic suicide so you can watch it on tv with your popcorn. Even if he does, it will be meaningless in the end without the overwhelming show of support from the people. The people need to stand up and force the government to their will. It is the only way. A secret group of “white hats” in “military intelligence”, even if they exist, have zero power to change the course of world politics if the people are going to sit back passively and allow themselves to be herded along.

Blogger SmokeyJoe December 28, 2020 12:10 PM  

"...that is exactly why the VP can count whatever he wants to count: it is a plenary power, not subject to any kind of oversight."

Absolute power in this matter. Absolute. Why cross "the Rubicon" when you can goad the other side to do so first? Brilliant tactics to further your strategy. "See? They started it. Broke the law! (insert more showboating in this space)"

Blogger Delaware Blue Hen December 28, 2020 12:11 PM  

If I understand the situation correctly, it takes one senator and one representative to object (in writing) to an electoral vote. The assumption seems to be that it would have to be Republicans to make the objections. Several Republican congressman have stated that they would do so, but no senator has publicly stated yet that they would do so. However, what if Pence were to accept the alternate (and correct) elector slates in place of the fraudulent slates returned by GA, PA, etc. The shoe would then be on the other foot--the Democrats would then have to put in the objections. The burden of proof would be on them to prove that the fraudulent slates were on the up and up (which they cannot do). This would put the Trump team on the offense--a better position than playing defense.

Blogger SouthRon December 28, 2020 12:23 PM  

Until now, Trump's request for everyone to be in DC on January 6th hasn't made much sense to me. After reading this, I suspect it is intended as a visible show of strength to help put steel Pence's backbone that he does not falter in the mission.

Blogger Silly but True December 28, 2020 12:33 PM  

This endears him to me more. Pence seems pretty much like a normal guy with normal guy problems who has not gotten in on the take.

Blogger Cinco December 28, 2020 12:41 PM  

On of the positive things going for VPOTUS is that he was a governor and not a swamp rat; so, he had less interaction with the deep state prior to his current position.

Blogger Better Left Unsaid December 28, 2020 12:42 PM  

Pence was forced on Trump like Bush was forced on Reagan. I'd love to Pence leading the charge but I'm not counting on it.

The first Deep State attack against Trump played out against Flynn. Flynn was pressed to resign not just because he lied to the FBI but because he had contradicted what Pence had said about the administration's talks with the Russians. This is one of those "coincidences" that probably isn't.

Blogger Cinco December 28, 2020 12:44 PM  

Even Ghengis Kahn, Alexander the Great and George Washington were mortals, regardless of their disposition in the history books... Only the Prince of Peace is to be trusted.

Blogger Jack Amok December 28, 2020 12:49 PM  

To everybody predicting Pence won't throw out the fraudulent electors, why? Why are you reveling in predicting gloom? Do you really think saying "See, I said he would" in the nightmare of a civil war - or the worse nightmare of Biden administration - will offer you any comfort? Only a pathetic soul would find comfort in being right about something like that. Unless your job is to plan the alternative, predicting how something won't work is Gamma to the core. Bitter, useless, unwanted Gamma.

Pence will do what Pence does. If if betrays the country and you say "see, I told you he would," I hope a patriot punches you in the mouth.

Blogger Rex Little December 28, 2020 12:54 PM  

I suggest you start by throwing out the entire fraudulent tally from the Chicom-colony of California, and their 55 electoral votes.

California? Really? Biden reportedly won by over 5 million votes there, out of about 17 million cast. Is there evidence of that much fraud?

Blogger LES December 28, 2020 12:55 PM  

I think that Trump would need to provide all the evidence of election fraud by January 6.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 28, 2020 1:07 PM  

Rex Little wrote:Biden reportedly won by over 5 million votes there, out of about 17 million cast. Is there evidence of that much fraud?
Is there any reason to trust the results from any blue state?
Until they prove there was no fraud, we should not count any of their votes.

Instead of starting to clear themselves, they have started destroying evidence. They are guilty.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 28, 2020 1:10 PM  

Jack Amok wrote:To everybody predicting Pence won't throw out the fraudulent electors, why?
Anything we can see, Trump can see better. Therefore, I'm not worried about Pence being a worthless squish. Since Pence probably isn't deliberately evil, he might even do right. Either way, Trump will have a path; that's been a consistent pattern.

Blogger VFM #7634 December 28, 2020 1:22 PM  

Robert Browning wrote:
The fruit does not fall far from the tree.Knowing what will come to be, is knowing the blood of those whom are involved. Pence is Irish and Irish blood is the blood of backstabbing treachery.


Pence might be Irish, he might not - It's a common American mistake. His closest "Irish roots" are a Cawley/McCauley grandparent, and a Downs, which are just as likely Scots-Irish names - meaning Scottish gentry, not Irish peasants. Many Americans who believe they are Irish are actually Scottish, just confused by the "Scots Irish" name. They don't realize that emigrating out of Ireland, particularly right at the end of a bloody civil war that the Irish won*, doesn't turn a Scotsman into an Irishman when they've only had 200-300 years of exposure to the magic dirt. I do however see a Flannery name further back in his tree, so yeah, watch him like a hawk.
*The Cawleys arrived at Ellis Island in April 1923


@55 Fozzy Bear
Yikes, you don't say... I'll hotly deny that Irish are more treacherous than other people, but Cauleys... you can't trust any of them further than you can throw them.

Blogger John Regan December 28, 2020 1:26 PM  

There doesn't seem to be anything in Mike Pence's past that would suit him for an act of such political courage. Accordingly, given the times, we might expect exactly that!

Blogger Damelon Brinn December 28, 2020 1:29 PM  

To everybody predicting Pence won't throw out the fraudulent electors, why?

I'm saying I don't expect it because I see people pinning all their hopes on Pence, and they'll be demoralized and feel like it's all over if he doesn't come through. There's no need for that, because Trump has other, maybe better, options. It's fine to hope Pence stands tall, but no need to think it's necessary.

Blogger Done with it all December 28, 2020 1:30 PM  

I like what Jack Amok said, when they say I told you so, bust em in the head.

The "I told you so" are pathetic people who show up when they get it right. Never heard one say he was wrong, never. I find these people are of a general low character across the board. Losers whose only victory is guessing right every now and then and announcing it at every opportunity.

Mike Pence will do the right thing. He definitely has it in him.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 28, 2020 1:32 PM  

LES wrote:I think that Trump would need to provide all the evidence of election fraud by January 6.
I do think that would give Pence more cover to do the right thing on the sixth. We did hear he might do that.

Blogger Fabbat1713@aol.com December 28, 2020 1:38 PM  

Absolutely right.

Blogger Hammerli 280 December 28, 2020 1:38 PM  

@66 Les: I agree that Trump needs to put ALL the cards on the table. Probably no later than the evening of Monday 4 January. Preferably in a prime-time address.

Ideally, this would include proof of enough felonies to support the arrest of several Senators and at least two dozen members of the House. Enough to give a comfortable majority when it comes to a vote.

Blogger John December 28, 2020 1:50 PM  

Talk about a chance to write one's name into the history books. What a position to be in: to be given the unilateral power to decide for the world between the Great Reset, infinite lockdowns and globohomo pozzing forever, or a chance to break the back of the devil-worshipers once and for all. May God speak to VP Pence and give him the wisdom and fortitude to seize this moment.

Zeal makes all things possible. Duty makes all things simple.

Anonymous Anonymous December 28, 2020 2:00 PM  

@ Rex Little

California? Really? Biden reportedly won by over 5 million votes there, out of about 17 million cast. Is there evidence of that much fraud?

The Frankfurt server map had Trump winning Cali. Plus California has the biggest voter fraud infrastructure in America.

Blogger Giraffe December 28, 2020 2:05 PM  

Rex Little wrote: I suggest you start by throwing out the entire fraudulent tally from the Chicom-colony of California, and their 55 electoral votes.

California? Really? Biden reportedly won by over 5 million votes there, out of about 17 million cast. Is there evidence of that much fraud?



No, but almost every single ballot in the state was illegal, because state law requires certain language to be on the ballot, verbatim, and it wasn't. The law requires those ballots not be counted.

I admit it's not very palatable, but hey, rule of law or no rule of law?

Anonymous Anonymous December 28, 2020 2:18 PM  

@65

"California? Really? Biden reportedly won by over 5 million votes there, out of about 17 million cast. Is there evidence of that much fraud?"

Trump was said to have won California when the initial reports of the alleged Scytl server raid took place and the actual results from the server were posted. I have still been a bit skeptical, but the following article (see video with leaked audio recording) seems to add a little more credence to that claim:

https://redstatenation.com/radio-host-release-recordings-of-man-claiming-to-be-dod-official-with-sworn-affidavits-where-he-allegedly-admits-plane-offloaded-illegal-ballots-in-az/

Blogger MATT December 28, 2020 2:24 PM  

Cerno is a Gamma

Blogger Make Mine Texas December 28, 2020 2:26 PM  

I've never seen or heard Pence do or say anything disloyal to Trump. However, I trust God, Trump, and We The People. I do not trust Congress, and I do not trust the Legislatures.

Ultimately, with the help of God and Donald Trump, we are the Kraken.

Blogger Old Griz December 28, 2020 2:40 PM  

The California ballots are technically invalid. There is a state law that specifies some boilerplate notice that you are really voting for a slate of electors is required to be printed on each ballot. It was left off this year. It’s a technicality, but murderers have been let off for less.

A bunch of lawyerly BS. It would serve them right though.

Blogger Elder Son December 28, 2020 2:40 PM  

Ask yourself how China Joe "Big Guy" Biden, or Kamala "Hoe" Harris, will benefit Pence. Is there any evidence that Pence is on board The Great Reset?

I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure that Pence has seen the same evidence that Trump and his team of Intel investigators has gathered. And surely, Pence is aware of Trump's election EO and investigation. I doubt very seriously, that despite all the evidence gathered of the election fraud, Pence would throw in with the fraud. Because as devastating as the evidence appears to be, if Pence drops the ball on the side of massive fraud, he'll go down too.

Blogger Terrific December 28, 2020 2:44 PM  

I intend to be wading hip deep in the Swamp on January 6th!

Of course, since it's illegal, I certainly won't have any weapons with me. But I'm sure I won't need them.

We would see on that day the peaceful maintenance of power!

Blogger Mary MacArthur December 28, 2020 2:45 PM  

Re: the Irish and Scots-Irish blood...

The thing to *really* look out for is if he's a Campbell. "There never was treachery yet, but a Campbell was behind it."

Blogger OMGDwayne December 28, 2020 2:54 PM  

The very idea that Pence is a Man of Destiny is ridiculous. For his entire life he has had his head up the (((asses))) of the very worst of the (((neoCons.))) I remember when Trump tapped this wingnut for his running mate and having my heart die within me. Pence is one of the problems that will have to be solved when Trump finally imposes a state of emergency. I was talking to a cousin of mine before the election, and I said to him then that I was praying for a hard-right-wing military coupe. My cousin asked if that wasn't maybe a bit of a grim thing to wish for. I told him it was evidence that I was an incurable optimist. I still hope for the best, and the best will be a Franco-style sweeping away of the current game board.

Blogger jwshell December 28, 2020 3:01 PM  

I'm of the opinion that even if we get the peaceful solution to this, that is, through the courts or Congress, be it by Pence's refusing to count electoral votes from contested states or the vote getting thrown to the House, we really need to see President Trump cross the Rubicon anyway. I believe the evidence he has needs to be used to root out as many of the traitors as possible and make examples of them. Short of that, the Left can still cause much mischief if they are allowed to remain in their current positions. Curious what others here think.

Blogger FredFarkle December 28, 2020 3:01 PM  

He will cuck,there is no doubt.

Blogger Delaware Blue Hen December 28, 2020 3:13 PM  

Something that may stiffen Pence's spine is the slight possibility of Pelosi not be reelected Speaker of the House. The vote for the new Speaker has to be in person (not by proxy). A small number of Democrat Representatives have COVID or otherwise cannot make it to DC for the vote. So, the Republican McCarthy could be the next speaker.

Blogger D. December 28, 2020 3:13 PM  

kinda of funny:

Donald J. Trump Retweeted
LORI HENDRY
@Lrihendry
It’s not election fraud, it’s treason!

This claim about election fraud is disputed

8:34 AM · Dec 28, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/Lrihendry/status/1343550784286371841

Blogger Cinqueports December 28, 2020 3:21 PM  

@83:
One can only speculate as to how Pence will face the music. But he has to face it one way or another, and he will be condemned by half the electorate no matter which way he goes. Normally this job is merely ministerial and a formality. Not this time.
He has his own staff and his own legal counsel. If he's smart, he's asking for advice from multiple independent sources as to his powers under the Constitution and praying for strength and wisdom.
If he does the right thing (as defined by the judgment of most on this board) he will be reviled and condemned by the political establishment and by the media. He will be blamed for the inevitable leftist violence (the media never blame the hoodlums themselves). One hopes he takes the long view and concerns himself with the Judgment of God (first), history (second), and the establishment and media not at all.

Blogger Unknown December 28, 2020 3:30 PM  

We will see. In my view I think whatever his decision is it will ultimately come down to his faith. If he is a man of faith like he claims then he'll be compelled to make the decision based on the truth. In this position there is no wiggling out of it with some lame excuse like, "yeah we know there's fraud but this is for the betterment of the country." God knows what's in his heart and if he makes this decision based on worldly gain then Lord please have mercy on this mans soul. I ask that because we all know where he'll go after this life if he makes his decision based on deceit.

Blogger JD Curtis December 28, 2020 3:31 PM  

Via Lin Wood on Twitter..

'Has anyone ever confirmed whether Jeffrey Epstein facilitated adoptions for high-ranking government officials?

Asking for a friend.

#FightBack for Honest Judges'

Blogger SecondComingOfBast December 28, 2020 3:37 PM  

@66 Rex Little Accirding to OANN News and Attorney Lin Wood, Trump won 410;electoral votes and 39 states, including California.

The eleven states Biden legitimately won were, if I renember right- Hawaii, Washington, Oregon, Colorado, Illinois, New York, New Jersey, Vermont, Massachusetts, Maryland and Delaware.

Blogger Sam December 28, 2020 4:00 PM  

You misspelled "Camel-toe Harris."

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 28, 2020 4:26 PM  

Elder Son wrote:I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure that Pence has seen the same evidence that Trump and his team of Intel investigators has gathered. And surely, Pence is aware of Trump's election EO and investigation. I doubt very seriously, that despite all the evidence gathered of the election fraud, Pence would throw in with the fraud.
That's all true, and reassuring. Pence's record of standing up to criticism is not reassuring.

By now Trump must know him far better than we do, and will not be blindly relying on him, if indeed Trump is relying on Pence.

Yes, Pence is squishy. No, that probably doesn't matter, for several reasons.

Blogger Tom Bombadil December 28, 2020 4:33 PM  

On that topic (re: California) I believe the NJ ballots to be invalid as well. They were all mailed out by order of the governor. The election was 100% based on "mail-in" ballots. They all require the voter to sign a statement, under penalty of voter fraud, which says something to the effect of "I am the person who requested this ballot". Nobody requested those ballots other than the governor. Every vote has a signature certifying a false statement. And clearly the procedure to verify mail-in ballots includes a single person requesting a single ballot, or they wouldn't have this statement printed on them. Many people got multiple ballots mailed to them.

Neither California or New Jersey are up for discussion, but it's worth pointing out that the irregularities go well beyond the handful of swing states.

Blogger Unknown December 28, 2020 4:53 PM  

“War must be, while we defend our lives against a destroyer who would devour all; but I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend.”

http://forthesonsofthewest.home.blog

Blogger Rex Little December 28, 2020 4:54 PM  

The California ballots are technically invalid. There is a state law that specifies some boilerplate notice that you are really voting for a slate of electors is required to be printed on each ballot. It was left off this year. It’s a technicality, but murderers have been let off for less.

Ah, OK, I didn't know about that; haven't been following this stuff all that closely.

It would really be rich if some Trump voters had printed up their own ballots with the proper language on them, and filed suit claiming that those were the only ballots that should be counted. I'd almost wish I was still living in CA.

Blogger SmokeyJoe December 28, 2020 5:17 PM  

@ 64 Jack Amok

"To everybody predicting Pence won't throw out the fraudulent electors, why?"

Well said! No wonder things got so mucked! Everyone running around crying, "We never ever get anything nice!" Like a bunch of manchildren who have no business talking with the men let alone on the front lines. On your bikes girls!

Blogger lynnjynh9315 December 28, 2020 5:44 PM  

Destiny? Is that hack still relevant?!

In all seriousness, that title.

Blogger MarkoRamius December 28, 2020 5:49 PM  

I would have a bit more confidence in Pence had he not listened to Fauci.

Blogger OMGDwayne December 28, 2020 6:25 PM  

"In my view I think whatever his (Pence) decision is it will ultimately come down to his faith."
Pence has the "faith" of a (((neoCon))) groupie. He's like these devout Negro worshippers I know who denigrate their White civilization and who eagerly bend over for any savage lively-vibrant who wanders into their view. It's all just devout mumbo-jumbo that is just a rationalization for cowardice. It's a right-wing military coup or nothing whether Trump is the leader or not.

Blogger dangerfield December 28, 2020 6:26 PM  

I can hardly comprehend why anyone would be feeling blackpilled right now. This strikes me as a heads we win tails they lose situation. I can't think of a time where so much evil was exposed to so many in so short a time. I get that millions are suffering tremendous hardship and from a strictly materialist perspective I should be miserable and stressed yet I feel completely blessed to be alive at this time. Even the hardships will lead to a good outcome as people realize the system is irrevocably broken and return to localism(family, friends, neighbors). Worst(best?) case scenario biden gets in and destroys the union and something new, beautiful, true and good rises from the ashes.

Blogger tdcommenter December 28, 2020 6:55 PM  

I pray that VP Pence will have the strength and wisdom to stand with the GE.

Blogger Ross December 28, 2020 7:08 PM  

I think Pence's position has been helped in PA today

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/breaking-pennsylvania-certified-results-president-found-error-error-twice-size-difference-candidates/
So the PA votes should be thrown out. Also in Wisconsin the Court agreed there had been about 200k illegal votes but the Court gave no remedy, so they WI EC votes should be thrown out, as the remedy. GA is such a mess there are numerous reasons (including the video of the boxes under the table) why they should be thrown out.

So overall Pence's decision is quite easy even if it is an unusual situation.

PA, GA + WI taken off Biden gives Trump a win (NB. in the situation of the EC votes being not counted means the 270 figure is not relevant)

Blogger weka December 28, 2020 7:21 PM  

Be verra careful here. What kind of Irish? The Celts or the Calvinists who beat the living crap out of them under Cromwell and became the aristocracy?

Because the latter were loyal nationalists in the first world war.

And the former were the hard men of the Imperial British army, standing under the flag to the last.

Blogger Boo Boo the Fool, Esquire December 28, 2020 7:36 PM  

Who was Neon writing to exactly? He should know that these people serve the devil until their deaths and they are gaming for godhood. Mike Pence doesn't care about his offer of greatness and Neon knows that. Neither do I. Neither does Trump, he has a country to save. We are so cornered that God will get all the credit for greatness, not any of us. If this is how Trump fights then I don't ever want to go to war with him again.

Pence has a gun to his head. Do the right thing OR ELSE. That's how we talk now. I don't hear the Macho Man theme song in the background, I hear Let The Bodies Hit The Flo. I see Samuel L Jackson's character already reciting his fake thunderous bible phrase and his finger is getting itchy.

Blogger SecondComingOfBast December 28, 2020 7:40 PM  

#102 My biggest problem with Pence is the way he tore into General Flynn, which I'd almost forgotten about until someone here, I think, reminded me.

He not only assumed the accusations against Flynn were true, his main concern was how it might reflect on him, Pence.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine December 28, 2020 7:55 PM  

"Is there evidence of that much frau..."

Yes.

Blogger LoneWolf December 28, 2020 8:21 PM  

Pence is a bought-and-paid-for "Christian" Zionist. He knows what his (((masters))) want from him. He will do (((their))) bidding.

Blogger Jack Amok December 28, 2020 8:25 PM  

Donald J. Trump Retweeted
LORI HENDRY
@Lrihendry
It’s not election fraud, it’s treason!

This claim about election fraud is disputed


The claim about fraud is disputed, but the treason, well, that's obvious, no point trying to dispute that.

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel December 28, 2020 8:30 PM  

My big concern now is a growing sense of resignation among normies. The best I can express it is something like "oh well, Biden cheated fair and square".


Blogger Joe Smith December 28, 2020 8:33 PM  

@D. Twitter disputes fraud, but not treason. Fine, Twitter, treason it is.

Blogger Stilicho December 28, 2020 8:34 PM  

That one may leave a well-deserved mark

Blogger Stilicho December 28, 2020 8:36 PM  

Exactly

Blogger RigsOfChad December 28, 2020 8:40 PM  

Greg Pence (R-IN), Mike's older brother, was one of the few House Republicans to vote in accordance with President Trump on both the $2000 Stimulus payments and the NDAA. I'm hoping this is an indicator of how Mike Pence will act in the coming weeks.

Blogger Unknown December 28, 2020 8:42 PM  

#104 Indeed, at worst the forge will be white-hot, the emerging alloy virtually unbreakable.

http://forthesonsofthewest.home.blog

Blogger Newscaper312 December 28, 2020 8:46 PM  

I understand Neon is using rhetoric here, but the claim that Pence is the last line of defense is also effectively a claim that there is no other Plan.

Blogger D. December 28, 2020 9:11 PM  

Oh dear, there's seems to be some kind of a problem here:

Joe Biden
@JoeBiden
Right now, my team isn’t getting all the information that we need from the outgoing administration in key national security areas.

It’s nothing short of irresponsible.
0:38
732.5K views
7:05 PM · Dec 28, 2020

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1343709566622720001

Blogger A.D. December 28, 2020 10:29 PM  

Maybe the GloboHomos' brilliant plan this whole time was to get Pence installed as VP in '16 just in case Trump won, knowing that they would own the compromised Zionist fake-Christian cuck Pence, and therefore could use him down the road for something really, really, REALLY big?---like, to cover for their election-stealing.

Blogger Ross December 28, 2020 10:29 PM  

Ominous Cowherd # 96
I think your son is absolutely correct. Do not forget that Chris Miller, Pentagon Head thanked Pence, in a speech recently for the help he gave in overseeing one of the biggest military operations in recent times ( what was that operation if it was not to do with the election in some way?).

Blogger D. December 28, 2020 11:04 PM  

Let the shelling commence:

The Ukraine Unleashes An Artillery Barrage On Joe And Hunter Biden
BY Herschel Smith
1 hour, 11 minutes ago

https://www.captainsjournal.com/2020/12/28/the-ukraine-unleashes-an-artillery-barrage-on-joe-and-hunter-biden/

Blogger SierraFaith December 28, 2020 11:27 PM  

“The process” according to the House:

https://history.house.gov/Institution/Electoral-College/Electoral-College/

Blogger D. December 29, 2020 12:12 AM  

Shells are directed at the target:

🚨
Patriot news
@Grhm_i
JUST IN: OAN news is saying President Trump considering declassifying the Biden files.
7:40 PM · Dec 28, 2020·

https://twitter.com/Grhm_i/status/1343718376279953409

Blogger Luke (alias "Lines With Chrome") December 29, 2020 12:50 AM  

This reminds me of a line from A Man For All Seasons:

“When was there last a chancellor whose possessions after three years in office totaled one hundred pounds and a gold chain?”

Blogger A.D. December 29, 2020 4:29 PM  

Like Bush on Reagan, Pence was forced upon Trump just in case one day---e.g., Jan 6, 2021---Pence's Zionist fake-Christian masters desperately needed him to do their (((Evil))) bidding. It was all planned.

Blogger Mike TRex December 29, 2020 8:26 PM  

Hitler dissolved the globally controlled central banks and seized their assets. Then he brought Germany out of the depression without going to war as FDR did. If he could do it, why not Trump?

Blogger JM December 29, 2020 10:09 PM  

And now this:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/disgrace-pence-disagreed-louie-gohmert-electoral-college-vote-lawsuit/

Blogger Changomono December 29, 2020 11:41 PM  

"Before Vice President Mike Pence was sued by a Republican congressman from Texas in a Hail Mary attempt to reverse the November election, their lawyers held a private meeting in which they disagreed about how the Electoral College vote is formally accepted.

Rep. Louie Gohmert, who claims Pence has the power to hand President Donald Trump a second term by rejecting Democratic electors from swing states, described the failed talks in a Tuesday filing in federal court in Tyler, Texas. Gohmert is seeking a court order requiring the Office of the Counsel for the Vice President and the U.S. Justice Department to respond to the lawsuit by Wednesday evening."

Blogger Changomono December 30, 2020 12:35 AM  

AZ GOP Chairwoman Kelli Ward characterizes this as a "friendly lawsuit"..."In today’s update, Chairwoman
@kelliwardaz talks about the "friendly" lawsuit we filed in the Eastern District of Texas to assist Vice President Pence have his Constitutional power clearly defined by the Courts before the January 6, 2021 Joint Session of Congress."

https://twitter.com/AZGOP/status/1343950509363888128

Blogger Unknown January 01, 2021 1:10 PM  

Amen

Blogger Unknown January 02, 2021 10:50 AM  

not sure if I have gone insane or is the future of America hinged on one decision from one man?

this will make Pence either the most loved or hated, possibly last VP ever

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