Wednesday, August 26, 2009

There is no "marital rape"

The Bahamas consider a legal oxymoron:

"I think the bill is a very good thing because I believe that a husband can rape his wife. No is no. I don’t care if you’re married or if you’re not married. No is no, and once you force yourself on someone, whoever it is, it is rape. I agree with the bill 100 percent," she said.

First, there is no such thing as marital rape. Once consent is formally given in public ceremony, it cannot be revoked; the form in which marital consent is revoked is well-established. It is called divorce. This isn't a religious issue, although many on both sides will attempt to view it that way, it's a simple matter of when consent is revocable and the specific form that revocation must take. I invite those who believe that consent may always be granted and revoked at will to consent to join the U.S. Army, then attempt to withdraw their consent. That should serve to clarify the matter for them; one hopes they will enjoy their extended holiday in Afghanistan. The attempt to create a legal concept of "marital rape" is no less than an attempt to destroy the basic concept of marriage. If the husband or the wife has no more claim to the spouse's body than anyone else, then the marital vows are meaningless and the marriage is a charade. Once consent is withdrawn, the marriage has ended.

If a woman wishes to preserve her right to sexually reject a man at will, she has a perfectly viable means of doing so. Don't get married. It's really not that hard. But, once married, neither husband nor wife has the right to reject the other's marital claims. This does not mean that it is wise for anyone to abuse one's marital rights, as doing so on a regular basis will tend to lead to the legally correct abrogation of those rights. One is always free to respect the other's wishes and refrain from exercising one's rights in the same way that most Americans fail to exercise their right to bear arms most of the time. But failing to exercise one's rights is not the same as failing to possess them.

Men contemplating marriage would be wise to sound out their prospective brides on this issue. If a woman believes in the concept of marital rape, absolutely do not marry her! It would make no sense whatsoever to marry a woman who believes that being married to her grants her husband no more sexual privilege than the next unemployed musician who happens to catch her eye. And if a woman who believes in the existence of marital rape pushes you for marriage, just assure her that while you respect the institution, you believe it is much more important to defend her unqualified right to say no.

That the "marital rape" concept is not only legally oxymoronic, but deeply undesirable for both sexes, is exemplified by its implications for sex that by definition precludes consent. Let's face it, any man or woman who believes in the criminalization of wake-me-up sex is not an individual with whom any decently hedonistic being would want to be saddled for a lifetime.


Anonymous Anonymous August 07, 2012 9:22 AM  

Love is not sex. When a man seeks sex outside or within marriage it's not for love, it's just his testosterone that increasing his sex drive. It's biology, nothing to do with love.

This is why if a woman doesn't want to have sex then a man should seek sex outside the marriage or just seek divorce.

Marriage is stupid anyway. It is dead lots of places in the world. Men who marry are stupid, are you really going to risk having a divorce and loosing half of the money even without kids ?

A man never asks for sex. If you ask for sex, you'll never get it. Every man who's had a wife or girlfriend knows that the girl may hesitate, if she doesn't scream or hits you then continue.

Those in comments are virgins. Try to get a girlfriend and then ask her for sex. You won't be losing your virginity anytime soon.

Anonymous Anonymous August 11, 2012 7:42 PM  

this means that gentlemen, if you for some reason are too tired to have sex or can't physically maintain an erection, you have broken your marriage vows and might as well pack up and leave.

Anonymous Anonymous August 11, 2012 7:44 PM  

also, the guy above me is clearly hideous and terrible in bed because if my boyfriend asks for sex, i gladly oblige because a. he's sexy, b. we're madly in love, and c. he's fucking great in the sack. if all your girlfriends are hesitant every time you try to have sex, it's because you're ugly and bad in bed.

Anonymous Anonymous August 30, 2012 3:45 AM  

what a sick asshole.

Anonymous Anonymous September 07, 2012 12:15 AM  

Finally someone who is talking sense about this topic! I love these stupid manipulative women who get married and then decide that they don't want to have sex tonight because they're tired. Well its not my fault you sat on your ass all day watching soap operas while I was at work making money to support your ass! Its bad enough some women don't even clean or cook for their men who work all day so the wives have money to buy superficial shit to show off to the other neighborhood whore wives! Once a man and woman get married, the man then owns his wife. End of story. You do as he says, or you get the fuck out and go get a job to support your own lazy ass. I wish there were more people like this author to enlighten all of the dumb commie liberal pinkos in this world.

Anonymous Anonymous October 08, 2012 3:53 PM  

Male entitlement in a single article.

Anonymous Anonymous December 06, 2012 4:50 PM  

This is the fucking 21st century bastard ,no one has the right to force someone to have sex, sex is part of marriage ,RAPE ISNT!!!!!

Blogger Mean January 31, 2013 5:19 PM  

I saw this link from another article and thought, surely this was in jest because I can't fathom anyone outside of the middle east with this belief. NOPE! I then did a check on his background. Theodore Beale claims to be a libertarian...which he is not. I'm a hardcore libertarian and would know. He is a social conservative with "some" libertarian views. Social conservatism goes against the very grain of libertarianism - they cannot coexist.

Blogger Mean January 31, 2013 5:21 PM  

I forgot to mention that anyone with this viewpoint should be comfortably classified as an extremist wacko. Notice the lack of posts by his most faithful of followers: crickets........

Blogger Unknown February 03, 2013 4:00 PM  

The assumption that there is no such thing as marital rape is completely unfounded and the explanation lacks any factual backing. There are many versions of marital vow but not a single one includes any mention of sexual intercourse, especially when oath is taken in presenbce of a clergyman (usually for modesty sake). If oath does not mention anyspecific behavior, then it cannot be assumed that it constitutes a part of the agreement, implied or otherwise.

Furthermore, typical oath consists the line 'Do you agree to love and cherish...' or a similar counterpart. There are as many definitions of love as there are philosophers, but it is usually agreed that love means compassion and respect. So, as violence (forcible acquisition of goals) and selfishness (lack of recognition of the other party's needs) opposes compassion and respect, behaviour charactrized it also violates the marital oath. If the oath mentions respect explicitly, then the matter is even more straighforward. So, anyone who forces himself (or herself) on unwilling partner, breaks the marital oath taken before God, what makes him (or her) an oathbreaker (in eyes of man) and sinner (in eyes of God).

But if we leave the religious question aside (not every marriage is a religious ceremony) then the argument still stands. If marital oath were treated as usual civil agreements, then forcible sexual intercourse (referred to above as to 'marital rape') would have been a legitimate ground for prosecution under the charge of breach of contract. QED.

It is not the matter of religion, politics or anyone's views. These are the facts. One can claim that in common algebra 2+2 eguals 5 but this is not 'an opinion'. It's an error.

In other words, the statement in the article is either a lie (if the author is aware of its logical fallacies but uses it nevertheless for some ulterior motives, e.g. giving a conservatives a bad name via false-flag operation) or a simple error (if he is not aware of them out of ignorance).

Blogger Diogenes March 05, 2013 5:23 PM  

Liberals tolerate every lifestyle EXCEPT the Christian lifestyle!

Damn atheists oppose the Christian lifestyle, like slipping your own wife a roofie and knocking her unconscious and having intercourse with her anus or any other orifice of the husband's choosing!

Thank God we still have Vox Day to teach us the old-fashioned values of the Christian lifestyle like slipping your wife a roofie and penetrating her anus while he is comatose.

Anonymous Anonymous March 10, 2013 10:54 AM  

Women from all over the world have rights and if men will not protect women rights. Those men will never have peace because they will become abused! Mother nature in this world will play her roll.

Anonymous Delia May 23, 2013 10:43 PM  

Listen, I agree 100% as a woman. You don't sound like a misogynist. You clearly state that this applies for men AND women.
I support you.

Blogger Unknown July 01, 2013 1:25 AM  

This does not mean that it is wise for anyone to abuse one's marital rights, as doing so on a regular basis will tend to lead to the legally correct abrogation of those rights.
Family Law Solicitors London

Anonymous Anonymous July 10, 2013 11:15 PM  

I seriously don’t get it. If one spouse wants sex, the other is obligated to fulfill that need—unless they have a very good reason not to, and “Meh, I’m not in the mood” is simply not a good reason.

I’m not sure how many people here have religious beliefs, but the bible specifically advises men and women not to deny one another their bodies. Sex is not the only thing in a marriage, but it’s an important part of it.

Sex is not just physical—it’s a way to connect emotionally as well. Men crave, and even need physical intimacy. Suppose for a moment that he stopped working, simply because he didn’t feel like having a job. He stopped being an active parent, because (let’s face it) it’s exhausting, and a lot of work. For those who would argue it’s not the same thing—it is EXACTLY the same thing.

Sexual intimacy is about pleasure, but it is also, without question, a marital duty—just like any other duty we owe to our spouses. Our bodies, our hopes and dreams—they’re no longer ours alone. They are entwined so completely with that of our spouse that it really should be nearly impossible to tell them apart… this is the way it should be—this is the way marriage was designed to be.

Goodness knows I get tired, and sad, and sometimes I feel unattractive—or I just plain don’t want to be sexual… but you’d better believe that if my husband expresses a desire for me, I’m going straight to the bedroom with him—to kiss him and hold him, and give him the attention and affection he needs. Because (a novel concept here) I. Love. Him. Because what he needs is as important to me as what I need. Because after two minutes of being close to him, warm skin on skin—chances are I’m going to be in the mood after all… and you know what, even if I’m not—even if I never hit that state of abandoned passion, I still enjoy being with him and knowing he’s getting the pleasure and release that he needs.

So, maybe you don’t feel like having sex—but you do it anyway. (After all, it’s not just about you.) You allow your mind to turn off the myriad things going on inside it, and for a moment you forget the outside world so that you can cleave to one another. Sex is the ultimate expression of love—so why would anyone ever deny that to the person they promised to love until death?

Anonymous Anonymous July 11, 2013 9:22 PM  

Fucking just dont rape the wife who is cheating but olso show the deed to the world that cheating women are curse and to be taught

Anonymous December 07, 2013 5:42 PM  

Anonymous and the other commentators here have brains full of pussy juice. Let us analyze the issue this way. A prostitute takes a customers money. She says: "I'll do it for X dollars. But I don't feel like it right now. I'll take the money, you come back in two weeks and maybe then I'll do it." The prostitute goes broke. No one will pay her on that basis.

Now comes prostitute two. This whore wants one half of everything as the cost of her overpriced ass. She says: "Take a rain check, dear. I'm not in the mood." This whore gets paid for her pussy regardless.


Go to an honest businesswoman, get what you pay for. Marry overpriced whore, pay for what you don't get.

Anonymous Albert E. Beryl December 26, 2013 11:09 AM  

I must disagree with your notions on the nonexistence of marital rape, Ted Beale. Firstly, wouldn't that mean a woman is free to have sex with you when YOU don't want to? You don't want that right? Secondly, nowhere in the marriage commitment is a commitment to have sex whenever the other partner feels it fit. In fact, it goes against the marriage commitment. Thirdly, if you keep espousing this idea, 99% of women are going to just divorce you and you will remain without sex the rest of your life, pursuant to Internet Rule 57.

Anonymous Anonymous February 13, 2014 11:32 PM  

Mr. Beryl: You are a fool. Let me explain it to you this way.

Husband: "I no longer feel like supporting my family or paying my child support. I'm just going to stop because I'm no longer in the mood."

Wife:" You must support me whether you want to or not. Your obligations are mandatory. It is only my obligation to put out that is optional."

Got it now, you logically consistent imbecile?

Here's another one for you.

Female soldier: "I don't have to fight for my country if I don't feel like it or if I'm deliberately getting pregnant to avoid danger. My obligation to defend my country is optional - and I cannot be expected to risk my life if I'm not in the mood. I am no more contractually obligated to fight for my country than I am obligated to fuck for my husband. I do not surrender my right to control my body just because I joined the army."

Had enough, shit-for-brain?

Anonymous Albert E. Beryl February 22, 2014 3:01 PM  

I suppose that yes, I have had enough of your psychotic ramblings and incomprehensible bleatings. There is a huge incongruity in your second analogy. The military commitment REQUIRES the soldier to fight for her country, whereas marriage does not require the couple to have babies or even to have sex. And I'm not getting the first analogy--it's extremely nebulous. In fact, in many cases, like with teen pregnancy, the man just walks out and leaves the woman with her baby, even if the woman cannot financially support it without his assistance.
Before I end, though, I would like to ask you: say you weren't feeling like making sexy time and made that clear to your wife. Then your wife just goes up to you and fucks you without your consent in a manner incredibly painful to you. Would you not call that rape? Would you not consider yourself at fault for "tempting" the woman? I'm sure if you were raped by a woman who has a... um, "thing" for complete domination over you you would champion the recognition of marital rape in a heartbeat! Hell, you'd support that more than the feminists would!

Anonymous Anonymous March 06, 2014 4:13 AM  

Mr. Beryl:

You are a politically correct imbecile. My analogies are directly on point. Marriage does indeed contractually obligate women to perform upon demand. As justice Matthew Hale expressed it long before your stupid ass was born, a wife gives her consent when she marries and cannot retract said consent afterwards. As for the military analogy, yes, marriage does require the woman to put out, just as the military requires the soldier to fight. The fact that you see a distinction where there is none speaks volumes for your stupidity; it says nothing about the validity of my thinking.

As for your claim that marriage does not require reproduction as a condition of the contract, there was a time, not so long ago, when failure to provide children in a marriage was indeed grounds for divorce. But I would not expect an up-to-date fool like you to know that, either.
Feminism exists because of men like you who lick pussy as your natural obligation toward the "chosen sex". From your name I suspect that you are also "chosen". If so, you might go to Israel and see that a Jewess can get an abortion without first getting permission from a state board or, alternatively, see that the husband's permission is not required for a divorce. You might also do something about the vast Jewish controlled sex slave trade in your real country before you demand more appropriations for your odious Kike-Reich.

Blogger Unknown March 14, 2014 9:48 AM  

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Blogger Unknown March 14, 2014 9:49 AM  

Albert E. Beryl quipped, "...marriage does not require the couple to have babies or even to have sex."

Says who? Is it okay for a father to marry his 10 year old daughter, since "marriage does not require the have sex"? Who do you think you're fooling?

Try this on for size, then. Marriage does not require the husband to remain faithful to the wife. The husband can have sex with another woman on the same basis a wife may withhold sex...because it is his body, and because he feels like it. And the woman better not say a word about it, either, since this deal works both ways. If not, why not?

Blogger Unknown March 24, 2014 4:11 PM  

The writer of this article must pro rape or something because no where in marriage does a woman has to have sex with her husband on command (or vice versa). First of all I think the author and his supporters must have mommy issues, because such dumb shit arguement like this shouldn't have been made. Why do you view woman and disposable objects who should have sex whenever you want. I'll tell you why your poor image of women is consuming you and making you say dumb shit like this. A man and a woman are both HUMAN beings, we all should have 100% control of what we want as individuals and should not fulfill our partners sexual fantasies whenever they want. Finally would you like if a woman stuck a dildo up your ass just because she wanted to and was feeling horny? Um no I don't think so.

Anonymous Albert E. Beryl March 29, 2014 4:00 PM  


You say "politically correct" as if it were an insult. Listen, puerile He-Man Woman Hater, you know that goes both ways. Answer me this: if you were on the receiving end of a marital rape, like the situation Jose Netzahuatl described, would you really, truly, veritably, actually support the legalization of marital rape? After all, according to you, a husband also gives his consent. Tell me the exact portion of the law that stipulates that marriage obligates sex?

Feminism exists because of heroines like Emma Goldman, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Susan Anthony, Margaret Sanger, et al. who supported the rights of women to be treated as societal equals rather than being disenfranchised and treated essentially as walking baby factories.

Ok, now you are descending into anti-Semitic retardation. First off, I never said I was Jewish (even though I am), and making assumptions is a bad thing. For example, you'd take offense if I said I'm assuming you are an immature, whiny MRA who can't get any sex, especially if that's not true. Better safe than sorry, eh? "Kike-Reich" is an oxymoron (emphasis on "moron") except in the case of the Jewish hyper-misogynist Franklin Richard "fschmidt" Schmidt, who grovels all over the Nazis in spite of his family members including Holocaust victims. Oh, the irony!

As for abortion in Israel, maybe that's not a sign that Israel is doing something evil but that abortion is not necessarily a bad thing. I don't support EVERYTHING Israel does, unlike you with your anti-abortion dogma. I don't mind that Israel allows unilateral divorce and abortion because I'm not the kind of odious person you are making yourself out to be.


That's like saying that in NY you must have had sex to get a full driver's license. Just because the same age is a prerequisite to both sex and an unrestricted driver's license doesn't mean one is a prerequisite to the other. Sex is not a prerequisite to marriage. In fact, you cannot get married before a certain age in just about everywhere that isn't a misogynistic shithole (I'm looking at you, Yemen and Saudi Arabia).

The problem isn't sex--it's age. In fact, in Saudi Arabia and Yemen, there is no age of consent and sex only requires a couple to be married. THAT is where child marriages and state-sanctioned paedophilia and incest occur. Not here.

In your scenario, the husband also has the right to withhold sex, just like the wife. And the wife can go have sex with another man as well. The husband shouldn't be complaining about it either. In fact, I have no problem with it. It is a just scenario.

Homosexuality, informed consent, abortion, recognition of marital rape--I'm fine with it all. If there is anything I might be on the fence about it's adultery/infidelity, and seeing misogynists, MRAs, MGTOWs, AFCs, PUAs, "incels," and their related "broscience" pushers entrap women with them while simultaneously wanting to be able to have sex with someone else is liberalising my stance about it rapidly. If there's any worst enemy to your misogynist ideology, it's the ideologues pushing it.

Anonymous Anonymous April 22, 2014 12:39 PM  

So, your wife can stick a cucumber in your anus, right?

Anonymous Anonymous August 09, 2014 10:27 AM  

You're lucky there's no hell, cause otherwise you would burn in it.

Blogger Unknown August 11, 2014 4:12 AM  

If sex is not an obligation of marriage on both spouses; then there are no obligations.

either marriage means something, with rights and responsibilities of both spouses, or it doesn't

End of story.

I did not get married so my wife would not put out. If I wanna get laid after work, my wife is obliged to agree. Otherwise what the hell did I marry her for.

Anonymous Anonymous August 31, 2014 11:54 PM  

America has forgotten its Christian destiny by criminalizing rape and abuse. Thank the dear Lord we have good, strong Christian men like Vox Day to show modern America the consequences of its wicked ways. Wife-beating and rape for all!!

Fuck you a million times over, you shit-touching backpfeifengesicht. You're the reason pepper spray was invented. Fuck. You. You. Walking. Abortion.

Anonymous Anonymous August 31, 2014 11:55 PM  

Racist piece of shit.

Anonymous Anonymous August 31, 2014 11:55 PM  

Lying asshole.

Anonymous Anonymous August 31, 2014 11:56 PM  

I hope your wife - if she even exists - smacks your balls with a hammer if you ever try to rape her.

Anonymous Anonymous August 31, 2014 11:57 PM  

I'm tremendously glad I don't live in the same country as you. Also glad that I'm married and out of the dating scene and I don't have to risk running into complete fucking lunatics like you.

Anonymous Anonymous August 31, 2014 11:58 PM  

Go suck your own cock, if it isn't too miniscule.

Anonymous Anonymous August 31, 2014 11:59 PM  

Tired of me yet? If you say you don't want anonymous comments, then fucking TURN OFF anonymous commenting. For someone who supposedly is a Mensa member this shouldn't be too fucking hard to figure out.

Anonymous Anonymous November 02, 2014 6:21 PM  

You're just a piece of shit.

Anonymous Anonymous April 16, 2015 4:23 AM  

I would like that your mother's husband rapes her, or your daughter's husband rapes her as well. It would be sanctified by the holy marriage. But really they are not guilty, much better that you wife (or husband is you are homosexual) rapes you and fill your asshole with a iced cucumber.

You should be with the ISIS in Iraq, they will understand you.

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