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Friday, August 10, 2012

Integration, Olympic style

A distance runner lets the cat out of the bag:
Leo Manzano, a Mexican immigrant who became the first American man to win a medal in the metric mile since 1968, draped himself in the flags of both his countries after his race at Olympic Stadium. That decision earned some cheers, but mostly jeers from Mexican-Americans.... A poll on the CBS Atlanta website showed that 83 percent of respondents think Manzano shouldn't have carried the Mexican flag.
Only 83 percent... I would have expected that the Mexican-American community would be more upset that he carried an American flag.. It seems to me that there have been numerous events, from the May Day parades to the US home soccer games and the various California public school policies, where many "Mexican-Americans" have made it perfectly clear where their true loyalties lie.

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Anonymous Idle Spectator, Mexican't August 10, 2012 4:46 PM  

I'd like to be angry, but why do I find this funny instead?

Anonymous Rantor August 10, 2012 5:04 PM  

A dual citizen, he is confused, at least he earned the medal for America... and at least most Americans think he should just fly the one flag. Until Cinco de Mayo or some such.

Anonymous Frederick303 August 10, 2012 5:11 PM  

Seems like a good sign to me, only 1 in 6 of the Mexican immigrants polled liked the Mexican flag. I wonder what the ratio would have been if a Swede or Irish immigrant did the sdame thing with their nation of origin flag and the US flag. You would likely find a similar ratio.

Anonymous Idle Spectator, Mexican't August 10, 2012 5:14 PM  

Hahahahahahaha!

I just realized, he looks like Vega from the Street Fighter video game.

Anonymous Idle Dhalsim August 10, 2012 5:23 PM  

YOGA FIRE! //shoots fireball

//strut strut

YOGA BLAST!

You win.

Anonymous kh123 August 10, 2012 5:48 PM  

And yet, VDH is labeled a racist when he suggests that folks who advertise their Mexican pride ought to think about returning to their rightful place of residence.

Anonymous Anonymous August 10, 2012 5:49 PM  

"Seems like a good sign to me, only 1 in 6 of the Mexican immigrants polled liked the Mexican flag."

It was a poll of the general public, not Mexicans.

-Robard

Anonymous paradox August 10, 2012 6:00 PM  

Just imagine an Olympian from the American South with a Confederate Battle Flag and American Flag. Oh.. what am I saying, we are not even allowed to put that flag on our Confederate Memorial.

Anonymous realmatt August 10, 2012 6:19 PM  

I like female Olympian cheek, nip and lip slips.

That's really all I have to say about that.

Anonymous The Great Martini August 10, 2012 6:41 PM  

I'm quite confident that clear evidence to the contrary will have no effect whatsoever.

Anonymous DT August 10, 2012 6:48 PM  

I would like to see a poll of Mexican-Americans only. (I hate even typing hyphenated-American, but for the sake of being clear). I suspect the percent that disagree with his carrying the Mexican flag would be lower, but not as low as some might fear.

I'm not bringing that up to defend our suicidal immigration policies. But I don't think Hispanics are the solid threat of a voting block that Republicans are so deathly afraid of. In my experience the ones who are 3rd generation or older don't care for open immigration at all.

Anonymous ZT August 10, 2012 7:03 PM  

The soccer game was more likely inundated with illegals, not Mexican-Americans.

As for the ah thing he should have only flown the flag of the country he was representing.

Anonymous oregon mouse August 10, 2012 7:06 PM  

It wouldn't surprise me if a larger than expected percentage of legal mexican immigrants dissaproved of this guy's statement. They jumped through the right hoops. Its took them years to do it lawfully. For this reason I would think they have more appreciation of their adopted country than the illegals who are just here to pillage and send home the proceeds.

Blogger IM2L844 August 10, 2012 7:13 PM  

A little OT, but I'm a bit surprised we haven't seen a rainbow flag on the podium yet or did I miss it? You really can't take any of this postmodern Olympic garbage seriously any more. It's just a matter of time before men's synchronized texting becomes an official Olympic sport?

Anonymous kh123 August 10, 2012 7:17 PM  

"I'm quite confident that clear evidence to the contrary will have no effect whatsoever."

[*cough*, Australian crime statistics, *cough,* increase, *cough*, after stricter gun laws enacted, *cough*]

You're saying this about who exactly.

Anonymous zen0 August 10, 2012 7:21 PM  

A Tunisian won the 10K swim. He trained at a U.S. university. I am sure they played the Tunisian national anthem.

Anonymous jack August 10, 2012 7:27 PM  

OT so burn me at the stake...

http://coyoteprime-runningcauseicantfly.blogspot.com/

See the article slugged DHS and US Milatary make final preps; or some such. Scary stuff. And, some things I never thought they might do. This assumes the article is factual. Like, filling in caves and blocking off access to wilderness areas to keep the patriotic war fighters from getting into the hills. This brings up the obvious strategy of not running to the hills, rather bring it to the urban areas and water the tree of liberty [best with the opponents blood, of course]. If it comes to that I just hope I have enough spark to be useful. Been awhile since Nam but the memories are still there.

Anonymous JI August 10, 2012 7:29 PM  

Both he and his medal should be deported back to Aztecland.

Anonymous Holla August 10, 2012 7:30 PM  

Huh?

It's the Olympics. The Olympics are a freemasonic eugenics freakshow anyway. Of course he's going to be an internationalist. That's the whole point of the damn thing.

As for 83% of Mexicans being anti, color me surprised. I think it's cool a Mexican won anything having to do with speed that isn't in powder form.

Anonymous zen0 August 10, 2012 8:25 PM  

Holla tweets: Of course he's going to be an internationalist. That's the whole point of the damn thing.

Why do they keep medal totals on a national basis then?

Hmmmm?

Once again you are a font of disinformation.

Anonymous bw August 10, 2012 8:30 PM  

from the May Day parades VD

Follow the money/funding on those "organized" protest marches.

Anonymous 11B August 10, 2012 9:16 PM  

Why is it that the shittier the country or culture you come from, the more likely you are to cling to it?

Anonymous The other skeptic August 10, 2012 9:26 PM  

How I met your Father pretends that Fathers are unnecessary.

Anonymous III August 10, 2012 9:47 PM  

"This assumes the article is factual. Like, filling in caves and blocking off access to wilderness areas to keep the patriotic war fighters from getting into the hills."

I live in the desert just below Big Bear. Yes, they are back filling the old mines. And yes, they are blocking off access to wilderness areas. For our safety.

Anonymous Holla August 10, 2012 10:05 PM  

Zeno, you silly dunce, please watch the NWO opening ceremony again and explain to me how it represents a tribute to nationalism.

Anonymous Outlaw X August 10, 2012 10:18 PM  

Alamo, screw them. For the life of me I cannot understand why people fear an inferior culture. It is like extraterrestrial space travelers vs us, or the Spanish vs the Mayans. They haven't seen an ass whupping lately.

Anonymous cherub's revenge August 10, 2012 10:56 PM  

Mexico has a lone man who qualified for the Olympics in swimming. His name is Christian Schurr and he looks like a Christian Schurr - he could blend right in with the Yale lacrosse team.

Anonymous The other skeptic August 10, 2012 10:59 PM  

NBC Bay Area has a ditzy lesbian followed by a dumb black guy.

Anonymous zen0 August 10, 2012 11:13 PM  

Holla August 10, 2012 10:05 PM

Zeno, you silly dunce, please watch the NWO opening ceremony again and explain to me how it represents a tribute to nationalism.


Holla, you deluded moron, the ceremony is a parade of nations. They play the national anthem of the winner of each event. It is a festival of national pride in pursuit of sporting excellence. All the various media personalities are unabashed rooters for their own countries athletes.

It is a competition. Not everybody gets to win, like at the sporting events you participate in for special needs people.

Anonymous zen0 August 10, 2012 11:18 PM  

Outlaw X August 10, 2012 10:18 PM

Alamo, screw them. For the life of me I cannot understand why people fear an inferior culture. It is like extraterrestrial space travelers vs us, or the Spanish vs the Mayans. They haven't seen an ass whupping lately.


You know there is a monument in Guadalajara commemorating the victory of the Mexicans at the Alamo?

It has rust and graffitti on it.

Anonymous Holla August 10, 2012 11:19 PM  

The agenda of the Olympics is not to foster nationalism.

It's to set the stage for The Hunger Games!

Anonymous An Unmarried Man August 10, 2012 11:24 PM  

Methinks you have a piss poor first-hand knowledge of Mexican-Americans based on your pathetic reliance on the American MSM to qualify your opinions.

Anonymous Anonymous August 11, 2012 1:10 AM  

In other news, water is wet.

Anonymous Beau August 11, 2012 1:40 AM  

Way OT

Tonight the GIG on the courthouse lawn was glorious.

Veronica, aged 24, reported, "This is the first year I've known my father to not be drunk every day. He knows God now and he goes to church. I never knew him before this year not drunk. Thank you for praying for me and him last year here at the GIG." Veronica also said the desire of her heart is to become a missionary. We all rejoiced then prayed for her equipping and provisioning on the mission field.

Then, just for good measure, I asked if there was anyone else present who desired to become a missionary. Four others responded, so we prayed for five new missionaries to be sent out.

Not stopping, we prayed for two men who desire to become pastors.

We also dedicated four babies to Christ this evening.

Anonymous tungsten August 11, 2012 2:47 AM  

paradox, forget pulling a Confederate Battle Flag, during the 1996 Summer Olympics in Atlanta one of the American female gymnasts simply wanted to use Dixie for the music to her Floor routine and they made her choose something else under threat of being kicked off the team.

Anonymous tungsten August 11, 2012 2:53 AM  

I always thought it would have been funny if she had turned around and done her routine to The Night the Drove Old Dixie Down.

Anonymous Claytaco August 11, 2012 3:39 AM  

Why did they have to put the "monument" in Guadalahara? Mexican Pride? LLOL

Anonymous Clay August 11, 2012 5:57 AM  

The light is just coming up here. I'm gonna shoot five or six blackbirds off my bird-feeder, sitting where I am. Just crack the door open a bit.

Urban Hunting. It's fun, if you have a good pellet rifle.

Blogger IM2L844 August 11, 2012 6:39 AM  

More OT stuff.

Looks like Romney chose Paul Ryan for his VP. Damn, this isn't going to be as entertaining as it would have been had he picked Bondi, but it will be close.

Anonymous Clay August 11, 2012 6:58 AM  

Stupidity.

I might have to pop at least, three more.

Blogger Jamie-R August 11, 2012 7:21 AM  

I had to something to say, but it was lost during all the log in shit. Oh well.

Anonymous Clay August 11, 2012 7:27 AM  

Perhaps that's best, Jamie.

Blogger Jamie-R August 11, 2012 7:31 AM  

I think I was gonna say something about Good Colonialism vs Bad Colonialism, cause someone's gonna make the move. I think the West of America should be given up to Mexicans then, as should the North East of America to Socialists, and just real Americans concentrate with traitors of government in the South, the American South is quickly becoming the last Christian Outpost of Europe. It's slandered as ignorant and backward and stupid and the slander comes down to the fact they held to their beliefs, which is not wrong in America, apparently! Others 'moved' into this 'progressive' future we're seeing that is so bloody exciting.

Anonymous Clay August 11, 2012 7:38 AM  

Oh. I just thought you were going to say something about shooting blackbirds & Abo's.

I 've got nine already.

Blogger Jamie-R August 11, 2012 7:46 AM  

Humanity has tried to pursue a more equal opportunity, Negroes and Asians may never have inadvertently pined for the 21st century, but now here it is being given to them. Leadership must still be taken by the old civilisation. The goal of this so-called colonialism was not actually colonialism, it was exploring, before Google Maps. Before Wikipedia. Someone had to do it. Now once intertwined with the other human contacts, a dialogue must form, or die. Or end in war.

Anonymous Beau August 11, 2012 7:57 AM  

Still OT - but whatta ride!

Last night Daniel told me, "Two years ago I just played bass guitar, but at the GIG you lit my fire. Now I'm in leadership everywhere I go. Thank you."

I'm still jazzed about five people coming forward to become missionaries.

Not bad for Friday night on the lawn.

Anonymous Clay August 11, 2012 8:22 AM  

Beau, I respect your comments, so I don't want this to sound snarky.

OK. You have five potential, young, missionaries.

If YOU had to send them into any country, which one(s) would you choose, and which one(s) would you not.....and....why?

(At least, I narrowed it down to ONE country)

Hell, send them to Jamie in the Land Down Under.

Anonymous Beau August 11, 2012 11:29 AM  

If YOU had to send them into any country, which one(s) would you choose, and which one(s) would you not.....and....why?

Honestly, I haven't thought that far ahead. Let me think it over. I'll reply later today.

Anonymous Beau August 11, 2012 8:48 PM  

OK Clay, I'll give you my theoretical missiological and my visceral answer:

My first consideration would be sending someone to unreached people groups in the 10/40 window. Why? Aren't there missiological opportunities in our own large urban areas? Of course, but going to make the initial church planting contact into a culture advances the Great Commission into territory hitherto untouched.

My second consideration is asking if a particular climate and level of indigent technology would be a good fit for this particular missionary. A Filipino scripture translator working for Wycliff candidly told me, "At our national Bible translation conference it was stated, 'Our Western brothers and sisters are too distressed when deprived of the luxuries they consider so essential for life. We are used to living without them; therefore its up to us to bring the gospel into areas that would make our Western brethren wilt.'" As far as climate goes, for example, I believe someone enjoying life in Louisiana or North Carolina could very well get on in a high humidity archipelago. Technologically, the missionary still might have difficulty. Intermittent electricity was a distraction to me, but over time it really brought my wife low. She did however adjust well to the climate after six months. It depends on what the missionary can cut loose from and remain effective over time.

My third consideration would be the type of missionary work to be performed. Westerners I know are recruited to do financial and administrative oversight work in large or capital cities. Some of the cultures I know are not paper-oriented at all, "Why do I need a piece of paper to drive my pick-up truck? Its mine." or, "Why do I need a piece of paper to give my house to my daughter?" or, "Why do I need a piece of paper with my picture on it? I'm me." When communicating with international sponsors, it helps to have someone who can compose communications. Specialties, like teaching, engineering, IT, medical work are always in demand.

Viscerally, I cannot imagine a circumstance in which I would recommend an unaccompanied woman be sent to destination where local Christian girls are known to be kidnapped, gang-raped, and forcibly coerced into conversion to Islam, while authorities look the other way - like in Pakistan. I'd recommend destinations where woman have a reasonable expectation of personal safety as part of a team.

Penultimately, I'd need to consider the missionary candidate's prior life. Most of the Christians I work with come from hard living; prison, gangs, horrorific homes - but now that they're saved they are fearless. These Christians can, and do, go places even the cops avoid, "I don't send my officers in there without a tetanus shot." On one hand fearless boldness while able to do without can be a big plus. On the other hand, paucity of formal education can be detrimental. There is question of aptitude for language and adaptation. People who have already lost everything at least once in my experience can get by marvelously in strange circumstances by faith.

Finally, and this is just me, the adage "Go for souls, and go for the worst," appeals to me, because the gospel light shines brightest in the darkest spiritual night. When the hopeless and incorrigible are redeemed, the gospel is displayed in all it's glory. For me, a missionary must be able to surrender his or her life today if necessary to advance the gospel. If they aren't ready for such a posting, I'd recommend something they can accomplish. For these five, I am glad they are willing to GO, wherever that may eventually be.

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box August 11, 2012 11:29 PM  

Leo, you're a fucking moron!
Celebrating a country where you were starving & a second-class cotizen, instead of the one you represent? No doubt an amnesty case:
That which is acquired too cheaply is often esteemed very lightly.

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box August 11, 2012 11:30 PM  

*citizen

Anonymous WaterBoy August 13, 2012 12:46 PM  

tungsten: "forget pulling a Confederate Battle Flag, during the 1996 Summer Olympics in Atlanta one of the American female gymnasts simply wanted to use Dixie for the music to her Floor routine and they made her choose something else under threat of being kicked off the team."

Of course...because she asked for approval.

'Tis easier to ask forgiveness (or not) afterward than permission beforehand.

Anonymous WaterBoy August 13, 2012 2:48 PM  

III: "Yes, they are back filling the old mines. And yes, they are blocking off access to wilderness areas. For our safety."

Yes, this is what can happen to empty mine shafts.

I've driven that road many times, and hate to think this could have happened to someone driving directly over it at the time. Fill 'em in, if they aren't actively mining.

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