Sunday, January 13, 2013

The Curse of Tebow

The amusing thing about yesterday's AFC divisional playoff game is that if Tim Tebow had been playing quarterback for the Denver Broncos instead of Peyton Manning, the Broncos probably would have won that game.  Manning's two interceptions, the first returned for a touchdown, absolutely killed the Broncos.  There is no way that a team that benefits from not one, but two, special teams touchdowns should lose a game at home.

And Champ Bailey's career as a starting cornerback appears to be all but over in light of his extreme toasting by Torrey Smith.  It's time to move to the nickle, Champ.  Or safety.  The fifth gear, it is gone.  My condolences.

It is looking like we'll see a Patriots-49ers Super Bowl, with one last ring for Tom Brady and Bill Belichick.  But this is the NFL, and we all know that anything can happen on any given Sunday.

This should also settle the 2012 MVP question conclusively in the favor of AD.



Anonymous Cinco January 13, 2013 9:11 AM  

With my Bears gone, and RGIII out (maybe forever) I have no choice but to root for the 49er's.

Blogger Nate January 13, 2013 9:13 AM  

interesting fad in the NFL is to take your best cover corner and stick them at nickle on the slot guy.

The days of the nickle back being a place to hide your worst cb are over. No... Champ is done. Actually he's about 2 years past done but no one noticed.

Anonymous Pablo January 13, 2013 9:25 AM  

I know this will sound stupid but, bad as they sometimes are, the Ravens might surprise. They just seem to know how to eke out wins.

Anonymous jm January 13, 2013 9:32 AM  

I was hoping the Ravens' Super Bowl dreams would be sent to the same place as Ray Lewis' white suit, but the Manning face simply couldn't get it done. Hoping Mr. Brady and co. can make things right.

And it looks like Manning is back to where he was before his injury. Brilliant in the regular season, chokes in the playoffs.

Anonymous castricv January 13, 2013 9:38 AM  

I can assure you the Ravens are done. Did you see Ray Lewis and Suggs crying after the game? This was their Superbowl. They just played 75 minutes of a crazy tough game and will play a NE team on the road that shouldn't have to break too much of a sweat with HOuston. As a playoff better I am salivating over the chance to take NE -6/-7 next week. And I don't even like the Patriots.

This is becoming the playoff season of fades. Easy money. I took Bama with the alt spread for -14and 1/2 for a grand and killed it. 70% of public was riding on ND to cover 10.

Take Atlanta hard right now and as a New Orleans fan I know the holes they have. However, when else are you going to get a number one seed with a ridiculous home record hosting a rookie QB coming from the West coast TWICE in a week for less than 3 points???

I know this is perhaps beyond the scope of this cool blog, but I thought it was pertinent to the last comment.

Anonymous Bryan January 13, 2013 9:41 AM  

I'm with Pablo, I actually like the Ravens to advance past the Patriots/Texans.

Yes, I give the Texans a shot. Much like the Ravens, they were completely destroyed by their divisional opponent late in the regular season. But also like the Ravens, they were slumping back then and have since corrected many of their mistakes. Belichick undoubtedly has his charges better prepared against underestimating their opponent than the Broncos were, but nothing is a sure thing. Or maybe this is just wishful thinking. But that worked for my hometown birds yesterday!

At any rate, the Tebow hypothetical is cute, but let's not go crazy. He couldn't even earn playing time behind Mark Sanchez. I'm sure Peyton Manning's nerve damaged, too-cold fingers were more to blame than his quarterbacking competency, especially vis a vis Timmy.

Anonymous castricv January 13, 2013 9:50 AM  

Bryan -- agreed on Manning. It was a no-brainer seeing him deteriorate as it got colder and longer into the game. Tebow would have certainly done little to change the game. And as for the Ravens I was excited for them. I like seeing that kind of hustle and will to win. I am merely going by years of playoff observations and a team that literally blows all the mental and physical energy it has in a 75 minutes long game wil lseldom be able to muster another round in another road as a prohibitive underdog. Especially when the look ontheir faces at the end was not one of joy and hunger for the next round, but one of jubilance that they could give their captain one more good sending off....

Anonymous Bryan January 13, 2013 9:57 AM  

I'll agree with your point that teams that celebrate as though they won the championship after an earlier round or a good regular season seem to get knocked out of the next round with greater frequency. I notice this across all sports, not just football. The "happy to be here" attitude doesn't win many big games.

I also agree re: hammering ATL.

Anonymous castricv January 13, 2013 10:03 AM  

I think the biggest question for that game is if Harbaugh has the crazy juice in him to mix it up with NE. The closest celebration example I can offer is the New Orleans NFC Championship game. They beat the Vikings and everyone on that team and the city were beyond overjoyed. Most fans would have been happy with just that. So of course they came out flat and put up 6 points in the first half against the COlts (they averaged alomst 34 a game that year). So what does Peyton do? He orders and onside to start the second and it was on from there. Without a jolt, the Ravens don't have horses to pull of a New England upset after all this.

Anonymous Bryan January 13, 2013 10:26 AM  

Ah yes, I remember clamoring for a more aggressive game plan last year while armchair coaching the Ravens to a win on that January day in Foxboro. There were a few late game "friendliest loss", save-of-face decisions that really irked me. Even playing for overtime should have been avoided considering the down, distance, opponent, and location (thus completely avoiding the time-management/kicking failure in the first place). Hopefully Harbaugh has learned from that experience just what winning in the NFL playoffs takes. As you say, it won't be easy.

Blogger Nate January 13, 2013 10:40 AM  

"This should also settle the 2012 MVP question conclusively in the favor of AD."

When CJ ran for 2000.. he didn't get a single vote for MVP.

How then can you justify giving the MVP to AD for similar production?

Blogger Nate January 13, 2013 10:41 AM  

"I know this will sound stupid but, bad as they sometimes are, the Ravens might surprise. They just seem to know how to eke out wins."

The Patriots or Houston either one will beat the Ravens like red-headed step-children.

Anonymous Anybody but New England January 13, 2013 10:46 AM  

Everybody kept saying how great the Denver defense was before that game. They looked more like the Green Bay defense.

Anonymous castricv January 13, 2013 10:50 AM  

Nate -- that's an easy one. Don't be such a homer.

Titans finished 8-8. This Vikings team blows hard and yet AP got them to ten wins and a playoff birth in addition to 2000 yards. Big difference.

By your logic Drew Brees should have been MVP in 08 for being like 12 yards short of the all time passing mark despite his team finishing 8-8

Anonymous anon123 January 13, 2013 10:52 AM  

If Dever were capable of playing prevent at at least the high school level against Jones the out come might have been different.

Anonymous DrTorch January 13, 2013 10:56 AM  

Ravens already beat NE this year, and they're playing better now.

Ok, so Den beat Bal earlier, that means nothing. But the Ravens have an extra day off to prepare. And Hou is no slouch.

Right now, I'd say Bal is the favorite to win the AFC.

Blogger Leatherwing January 13, 2013 10:57 AM  

Why did Denver not even try to put the game away before going into overtime? Ravens scored in just over 30 seconds. At that point neither defense was performing optimally. Seemed like the perfect time to pull out all the stops.

Blogger David of One January 13, 2013 11:04 AM  

I concur ... throwing 31 seconds of regulation play is stupid.

Anonymous castricv January 13, 2013 11:16 AM  

David, that is exactly the kind of tight play that will doom the Ravens next week.

Dr.T -- there are a lot of uninformed opinions when it comes to sports and I know its just for fun this blog, but I can assure you no one has the Ravens as the favorites. If you think they are, then I will gladly bet you even money on NE (if they win) next week for as high as you want. Promise you they open as 7 point dogs (+/- 1/2 point) to NE come tomorrow.

Blogger David of One January 13, 2013 11:17 AM  

Hmmmmm ... wait a moment ... I have to reverse that opinion. Manning would have likely thrown another interception. Logical decision.

Anonymous Godfrey January 13, 2013 11:17 AM  

I'm not a fan of Tebow, but I'd just love to see him win a Super Bowl and MVP. It would be fun to watch the Christo-phobic Christian-haters throw a hissy-fit.

Anonymous tdm January 13, 2013 11:18 AM  

Love the title.

Anonymous DrTorch January 13, 2013 11:28 AM  

Cast- We'll see tomorrow. I'm not convinced NE gets by Hou.

Blogger David of One January 13, 2013 11:29 AM  

Checkout David Ramsey's column this morning ...

Anonymous DrTorch January 13, 2013 11:30 AM  

This should also settle the 2012 MVP question conclusively in the favor of AD.

I should hope so. Even Tebow won his first playoff game last year.

Anonymous jack January 13, 2013 11:33 AM  

I'm not the expert many here are concerning football. That said, did not the Falcons end up 13-3 on the season? Not sure, but was that not the best record in pro ball this year? How can you so completely dismiss a team that has done that?
We'll see today; I'm looking forward to that game. Its true the ATL team faded at seasons end but this is the playoffs. Should get their juices moving, ya think?

Blogger Nate January 13, 2013 11:42 AM  

"Titans finished 8-8. This Vikings team blows hard and yet AP got them to ten wins and a playoff birth in addition to 2000 yards. Big difference."

Its got nothing to do with homerism. Go back and look... you'll see I have never once advocated for CJ to be MVP... not in 2008... and not now.

For me its about consistency. If CJ had been in the running and lost... I wouldn't have a problem with AD winning it now.

My problem is... if CJ couldn't even get ONE SINGLE VOTE... then the award may as well be completely random if you give to AD.

Blogger Nate January 13, 2013 11:43 AM  

"How can you so completely dismiss a team that has done that?"

Because their 3 losses came to the only 3 good teams they played.

Anonymous castricv January 13, 2013 11:47 AM  

Jack -- I don't think a single person here said Atlanta was losing. So nice job arguing with someone.

If you also bothered to read anything, you would see that I am riding big money wise with an Atlanta cover of 2 1/2 and I think it is still good at 3. This coming from a guy who thinks Atlanta has been a mediocre team for the last few years....

Anonymous MattN January 13, 2013 11:51 AM  

What the hell does that game have to do with who wins the MVP of the regular season? Should Peterson be disqualified because the Vikings lost and he only ran for 99 yards and no touchdowns against Green Bay? Peterson probably should win MVP, of the regular season.

Anonymous castricv January 13, 2013 11:55 AM  

I know this is beating a dead horse, but again AP brought his team to the playoffs, CJ did not. That is a large component in the "valuable" part of the equation in most voters eyes. If you cannot see that distinction, then I won't waste anymore of your time with this particular item.

Also, Atlanta's whole schedule was weak. Their 3 losses however, did not come to the only good 3 teams they played. That's way off.

Anonymous Cinco January 13, 2013 12:01 PM  

This is why MVP should have absolutely nothing to do with the post season. If we should only give MVP awards to winning teams, let us consider that there is really only ONE winning team in a season; and, we already have a superbowl MVP award. Nuff said...

Anonymous castricv January 13, 2013 12:02 PM  

I'm just killing time before the 12 o clock game so I'm lurking here. I even watched te dammed United Liverpool game and missed the 80s even more than usual.

For giggles, here are the arguable 3 best teams Atlanta played
Denvcr - W
Washington - W
New Orleans - W and L
The next closest two "tough one" we Dallas and NYG and they won both.

If you look at Seattle's recent run, they have a lot of home wins over crappy opponents save for the 49ers game. That sole game mixed in with two blowouts over the BILLS and CARDINALS have made this line go from around 7 to 3. Give me the home dome against a weak 3-5 road record team with a rookie QB coming off a bye anytime. Especially as it is almost a pickem at 2 1/2

Blogger Nate January 13, 2013 12:13 PM  

They beat Washington early... They got beat by Carolina.. and Tampa Bay for crying out loud... and they probably played the weakest schedule of anyone in the NFL.

so yeah I was wrong. They didn't get beat by the three best teams they played.. they got beat by the best team they played... and the two worst.

Superbowl teams don't lose to Tampa Bay.

Anonymous jack January 13, 2013 12:15 PM  

@ castricv

Thanks for the inside info. I don't gamble and have little idea of what those spreads mean. End of day. I've seen some darn good football in the college bowls and the pro playoffs so far [and some stinkers]. So, lets sit back, raise a glass of merry or three, eat some pizza [or, today, a nice ham, with sweet potato casserole, WITH marshmellow on top and black eye peas on the side] and, hopefully, have two good games to enjoy.

Anonymous castricv January 13, 2013 12:28 PM  

Nate, geez. Tampa Bay was the last game of the year when they were locked into the number one seed and didn't play. And as much as I love the Saints, they were clearly not the best team they played this year. And I said earlier thier schedule is weak and they are definitely beatable. The problem is they are a "type" team. They simply cannot beat a Saints (when they are good), Packers, Patriots type team. Impossible. However, for the grind out teams, even the really good defensive minded teams they are surprisingly effective, even in a dome.

This is why I would have bet anything on them to get crushed by the Packers, but see them as close with the 49ers, even though the 49ers are now clearly better than the Pack. Remeber, the Falcons have beaten Seattle the last three times they played.

Anonymous castricv January 13, 2013 12:30 PM  

Indeed Jack.

Nate I'll be in my 12 South home enjoying the damm rain and 65 degrees in the middle of January with my windows open. It's going to hit 30 tonight apparently.

Anonymous The other skeptic January 13, 2013 12:46 PM  

Note the blatant bias in this MSN piece about a mother who shot an intruder while protecting her two children.

The original headline was "Trigger happy mother ...".

She had retreated as far as she could and the intruder was breaking the law and is lucky to still be alive and she was protecting her kids but still MSN insinuates that she was evil? Was it because the intruder was black? Would they have been happier if he was white?

Anonymous castricv January 13, 2013 12:51 PM  

I'd have been a bit more pleased if the whole "alive" part was wrong, but that is being very un-Christian.

Know the truth when you see it and make sure all of the people closest to you learn it too. And then God-willing make many many children. It is the only way now.

Blogger Nate January 13, 2013 12:51 PM  

" It's going to hit 30 tonight apparently."


it was 80 here yesterday.

Blogger Rantor January 13, 2013 1:17 PM  

I want to see a Ravens-Seahawks Superbowl. everyone I work with was convinced Denver would win.... Now I just need my Seahawks to beat Atlanta. On a business trip to Stuttgart, I doubt I'll find the game on tv but will be monitoring.

Anonymous Anonymous January 13, 2013 1:18 PM  

Belichick undoubtedly has his charges better prepared against underestimating their opponent than the Broncos were, but nothing is a sure thing.

When Belichick and the Patriots win a regular season game they lose to that opponent when they meet in the play offs because the opponent changes their game plan better.

Anonymous Hoss January 13, 2013 1:46 PM  

My Bears are out, but if that's what it took to get rid of Lovie I'm okay with it. Nobody left to root for, so I'm just rooting against Baltimore. Not that I really dislike the team, in fact I've grown to be a fan of Lewis, but I basically can't stand Baltimore's fans.

Blogger Nate January 13, 2013 1:56 PM  

I think I am biased against ATL because they gave up so much to get Julio. I love Julio... but that was just a stupid trade.

Blogger Nate January 13, 2013 1:57 PM  

Ray Lewis can lick my sack.

Anonymous Daniel January 13, 2013 2:16 PM  

I like Manning and was glad to see his comeback season go almost as well as Tebow's debut. But I'm even more glad to see the Jets and Broncos both get bit by the notion that Tebow's zone-read can never, ever, ever work and is a band-aid that should be abandoned as soon as possible.

Good thing that vaunted Bronco defense kept them in so many games this year, too...

Anonymous The OASF January 13, 2013 2:25 PM  

Yes Bailey will receive this year's University of Colorado Medical Center "Ike Taylor Memorial Burn Unit" Award.

Anonymous jack January 13, 2013 2:32 PM  

First half: Da Fence. nuff said....

Anonymous The OASF January 13, 2013 2:56 PM  

And while we are giving out awards... we shall also give Peyton Manning the...

"Bill Cowher Honorary Lifetime Achievement Award for NFL Conference-Divisional Playoff Round Flubs."

Anonymous jack January 13, 2013 3:17 PM  

End of third: Atl 27 Seattle 7. Ah Hmmm.....

[OK. Seattle is threatening; I'm sure the Falcons will happily trade touchdowns with them the rest of the game.]

Blogger JaimeInTexas January 13, 2013 3:33 PM  

Greetings from Houston.

Anonymous zen0 January 13, 2013 3:36 PM  

How they felling now, Jack?

Maybe "Matty Ice" needs to get a little more excited.

Anonymous Ace January 13, 2013 3:39 PM  

The thing people forget about Tebow is his total numbers running and passing were quite good(The passing numbers are all that are usually quoted) despite only playing 2/3s of the season and he didn't turn the ball over. He had outstanding ball control for a running QB. He also had a rocket arm when his receiver's weren't dropping all of his passes.

Anonymous Outlaw X January 13, 2013 3:40 PM  


Browser problem. The NewsMax headline block covers the left part of the words. I tried all zoom and can't stop it. Firefox - 12" laptop.

Anonymous zen0 January 13, 2013 3:50 PM  

Outlaw X,

A crack team of NewsMax techies have been dispatched and are supposedly working feverishly to enhance your internet experience.

Anonymous Outlaw X January 13, 2013 3:53 PM  

this blog zen0 left side of screen, guess I wasn't clear.

Blogger JD Curtis January 13, 2013 3:59 PM  

The amusing thing about yesterday's AFC divisional playoff game is that if Tim Tebow had been playing quarterback for the Denver Broncos instead of Peyton Manning, the Broncos probably would have won that game

Ohh no, no, no. Denver just COULDN'T work with the quaterback that took them to the playoffs last season and work on his delivery and familiarity with the offense. Ohh no. This is the NFL and the only thing that matters is the here and now. Serves them right. Morons.

Anonymous Outlaw X January 13, 2013 4:01 PM  

Looks like Seattle wins this one.

Anonymous zen0 January 13, 2013 4:07 PM  

this blog zen0 left side of screen, guess I wasn't clear.

I was being humorous. Other people have pointed it out and Vox said he informed the Newsmax people and they were supposed to work on it. Probably watching football right now, though.

Anonymous Outlaw X January 13, 2013 4:10 PM  

spoke too soon.

Anonymous jack January 13, 2013 4:17 PM  


Well, the Falcons won it. I cheer for them but will admit, after they fell to pieces in the 4th. and then that unbelievable, short mistake kickoff, that they don't deserve this win. Probably they will get their clock cleaned for them in the conference playoff.

said with embarrassment....

Anonymous Outlaw X January 13, 2013 4:20 PM  

I didn't care who won, but I hate stupidity. 12 seconds left and only need 20 yard over the middle, with 2 time outs for a field goal. I mean dumb,stupid even from the couch.

Blogger James Dixon January 13, 2013 4:35 PM  

> The NewsMax headline block covers the left part of the words. I tried all zoom and can't stop it. Firefox - 12" laptop.

For the second time: NoScript. Try it, you'll be glad you did.

Anonymous zen0 January 13, 2013 4:35 PM  

@ Jack

said with embarrassment....

If its any consolation, Seattle beat Kaepernick's 49's, now Falcons beat the Seahawks. Falcon's still have homefield and no more monkey.

Anonymous Apeman January 13, 2013 4:54 PM  

I don't know nothing about football, but I had to laugh when the same people who told me that Tebow only got as far as he did because of the Broncos great defense are now telling me that the great Peyton Manning only lost because of the Broncos horrible defense.

I guess it is possible for both things to be true, but it sure sounds funny to this ignoramus.

Anonymous Outlaw X January 13, 2013 5:08 PM  

For the second time: NoScript. Try it, you'll be glad you did.

I searched in fire fox for Noscript, sorry but maybe you could give us a link instead of just a word. I really would appreciate it JD. Thanks.

Anonymous ENthePeasant January 13, 2013 5:08 PM  

Couldn't agree more about Tebow. We were just discussing that point. It's been forgotten now, but there was talk that Denver was offered Kaepernich and wasn't even remotely interested (Elways only had eyes for Peyton). They would be in it right now should that have happened. Denver got what they deserved and Tebow got a bad break. Elway, like most QBs, is not often correct about anything (especially his own shortcomings... which don't exist) but he's never in doubt. Even if Tebow had been on the team Elway would have insisted they start Jamarkus Russel before him. You cannot take the big egos out of NFL football.

This was Manning's last gasp. He will not play better next year, unless some radical new gene splicing treatment takes place. This was it and although I have strong feelings about Elway's lack of brilliance it can't be denied that he went for broke this year and almost got there. I don't think he did Denver any favors over the long term, but hey, he wanted to get his buddy Peyton another ring, along with Denver.

I've thought that this year would come down to SF and Houston since game four. They both have excellent OLs which is what helps you survive in the cold and allows a team to control the last quarter of the game. Defenses get tired, much more tired than offenses. If you leave your Defense on the field when you're ahead in the 4th Q, they will be scored on by a playoff team (which all have offenses that execute well) as the offense goes for broke. I'm also taking the position that ESPN analysts are always wrong. If the majority support Seattle then I'd rather support Cleveland or even Cincinnati.

Anonymous The OASF January 13, 2013 5:19 PM  

"If Dever were capable of playing prevent at at least the high school level against Jones the out come might have been different."

Nah we can just blame it all on the Atmostfear since Manning is incapable of flaw. Oh wait, that's right Denver plays in Denver lol.

Anonymous jack January 13, 2013 5:31 PM  


My brother in law is a Texican and an old Oilers fan that has adopted the Texans. So, I suppose I will cheer for them in this second game today. NE may be a steep climb for the Texans but, after that last game today, anything can happen.

Anonymous jm January 13, 2013 5:41 PM  

I wonder who would win in a fight: Mongo, or the Gronk?

Anonymous The OASF January 13, 2013 5:52 PM  

Smart money is on Mongo.

Blogger James Dixon January 13, 2013 5:54 PM  

> I searched in fire fox for Noscript, sorry but maybe you could give us a link instead of just a word.

I apologize Outlaw X, I've been a bit short lately.

It's an add-on for Firefox that blocks java and javascript. You can find it at or you can go to Tools/Add-ons and search for it there.

Since you asked, I should give you a word of warning, By default, NoScript blocks all scripts on all sites. You have to allow the sites you want to run scripts. Vox's blog, for instance, requires that I allow scripts for,,, and You don't need any of those to view the site, but posting doesn't work properly unless they're enabled.

Some people find this too cumbersome. For them, there's another product called YesScript, which allows all sites by default and only blocks what you tell it to. You can find it at or by searching in Tools/Add-Ons.

In either case, you want to block scripts from If you do that, the NewsMax headlines don't show up. I didn't even know they were there until you all mentioned the problem.

The advantage of NoScript is that you can safely surf unknown sites knowing their scripts won't run. This greatly enhances your security when browsing the web. The disadvantage is that many sites won't work properly without enabling scripts. I find that tradeoff worthwhile, but YMMV.

Blogger Nate January 13, 2013 7:08 PM  

holy cow... Shaub sucks.

Anonymous YIH January 13, 2013 7:30 PM  

Well Vox's fearless Niners - Pats pick is still a go. A what a fade for the Texans.

Anonymous Ray Nitschke January 13, 2013 7:51 PM  

Somebody needs to grab that f'kn Brady and break his f'kn neck.

Like the old days.

Anonymous The other skeptic January 13, 2013 10:19 PM  

Sign the petition to have David Gregory face the law

Anonymous tiarosa January 13, 2013 11:24 PM  

"This should also settle the 2012 MVP question conclusively in the favor of AD."

Who is AD?

(Pardon the novice question)

Anonymous The other skeptic January 13, 2013 11:27 PM  

The Golden Globes prove that Sarah Palin is still a force to be reckoned with given how much emphasis puts into assassinating her character.

Anonymous Anonymous January 13, 2013 11:42 PM  

AD = All Day = The proper nickname of Adrian Peterson.

Anonymous Anonymous January 14, 2013 12:36 AM  

Yeah they have an extra day of but they have to go to Foxboro

Anonymous tiarosa January 14, 2013 2:43 AM  

Thanks, Anon 11:42. I thought it was Adrian Peterson but didn't get the AD reference.

Anonymous Freddy January 14, 2013 3:09 AM  

Harbaugh vs Harbaugh? Maybe. Bring on Atl. Stop Brady with ever means and lets go to 6-0, Niners

Anonymous grady January 16, 2013 11:51 AM  

I was sad to see the toasting of Champ Bailey. I was always impressed by his performences at Georgia and in the NFL. Age takes it's toll and some of the best will finally be shown the door.

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